Citation Needed - Sigmund Freud

Episode Date: December 26, 2018

Sigmund Freud (/frɔɪd/ FROYD;[3] German: [ˈziːkmʊnt ˈfʁɔʏt]; born Sigismund Schlomo Freud; 6 May 1856 – 23 September 1939) was an Austrian neurologist and the founder of psychoanalysis, a clinical method for treating psychopathology through dialogue between a patient and a psychoanalyst.[4]   Our theme song was written and performed by Anna Bosnick. If you’d like to support the show on a per episode basis, you can find our Patreon page here.  Be sure to check our website for more details.

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first up are two men that have yanked out water fountain just to get out of a boring meeting, Tom and Heath. You know, the real skill is doing it after the LeBon. That separates the men from the boys. Yeah, or at A. John Birch Society, where I'm no longer welcome. Dude, they're big about their fountains. They have a whole thing about fountains. And also joining us tonight are two men

who put the psychoanel and psychoanalyze CISO and Eli. If you do anal in black and white film, can you tell the difference between the chocolates awesome, the blood? C-SOUL, I had told you, if you are the one being filmed, yes, how many times do I have to tell you this? I like the idea of doing anal and black and white, so it's classy.

Yeah, right. That's what that clinking music behind it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, at first I wrote the people who put the rapist back in therapist and then I just I thought you get occurred to me where you guys would go with that and I do. I went in and I thought it would be better. I don't know if it was. All right.

So before we get things going and I don't want to take a minute to thank our patrons who aren't as judgmental as that fat reindeer asshole. If you'd like to learn how to join their ranks, be sure to stick around to the end of the show and with that out of the way, tell us Tom, what person place think concept phenomenon or event we'll be talking about today. Today and I am hesitant to say this, we will be talking about Sigmund Freud. Okay. And I'm not scared.

You're scared. What will come out? I did this essay. Right. Yeah. Okay. So he if you come out? No, did this essay right now. Okay. So he if you penis this article, you read this article, are you ready to fixate us orally? Fuck my mom.

Yeah. They were like 12 takes. That's the best take everybody. That's the best. Silver Fox model. Hi, Mrs. Heath. Call back. All right.

So, Heath, who was Sigmund Freud? Sigmund Freud was an Austrian neurologist and the founder of psychoanalysis. That's the practice of trying to heal psychopathy by talking to people with mental health issues instead of immediately throwing them in jail or finding them a husband. Same thing at the time. So he's kind of like an early feminist, no, he's not. But it's definitely transformed the fields

of psychology and psychiatry from, you know, up that person is crazy into, let's figure out why that person is crazy. And according to his most famous theory and his central tenant of psychoanalysis, we all have an unconscious desire from childhood to kill our father and marry our mother or vice versa. Kill our father. That must be the first part of the prequel to all that porn. I've

been okay. Yeah. I never. I skip ahead. We used to talk to the mentally ill. Now we just let him be homeless and ignore him. I think that that's. Yeah. Everybody in the spot spikes on our park benches ignoring them. See some because I think that acknowledges own. I love that you can't make it through a single paragraph about this dude before he gets to insane levels of wrong. So wrong. It's so much wrong. You're wrong. And he, I have, it's fine.

We'll get there. We'll get to my opinions. We will get to my defenses. All right. So Freud was born on May 6th, 1856 in the Moravian town of Freiburg in the Austrian Empire. His father was a wool merchant named Jacob Freud, who was recently remarried to a woman named Amalia Nathanson, who was 20 years younger.

Big pin in that for later. For now, just remember that his dad was 41 and his mom was 21. So when Sigmund turned 13, his dad would be 54 and his mom would be 34. Uh, uh, a little note, uh, he, you wrote dad, I think you misspelled hero in that background. So you might want to revise also he, you're doing math way too quick for my abacus. Can you just, just, okay, dad was, I moved to be with my finger.

I lost it all. Start over. All right, so quick little fun fact about baby segment. He was born with a call, which is CAUL. It's a large membrane that covers a newborn's head and face. And apparently his mom thought this was good luck somehow. It occurs in about one out of every 80,000 kids, but it's not usually a problem and the doctor or the midwife just cuts it off when you're born. What if they don't? What if they just let it sit there?

You got like a rocker on like you're chewing gum for the rest of your life. Just like a weird, fleshy, space helmet. Fuck. No, let it be. Let's see how long it will last. I wonder if there's like, you know, like an activist group that's like, hey, get the fuck off the calls.

We've got you. Yes. Yes. There is. Heath. Well, they're called, they're called the call was coming from inside the building. That's what they're, they didn't know they were going to join the activism committee, but they felt a calling. Sorry. Somebody say shit. Sorry. Somebody say shit. That's so bad. They added it. Yeah, so anyway, they cut the call off.

That's standard. And since this was a Jewish family, they also, you guys good? You want to get, you want to get it all out? There's a lot of homophone uses for it. It's true at all. Is it? We should wait. We got call waiting. Oh, Oh,

we need to call it off. Okay. I need a call it off. This is just... Eli, it's not laughing at all. He's just furious right now. So, man. So, man. Will you hear this track by some later?

You're gonna use it. You're gonna use just a live and range. I'm like the audio from the Nuremberg trials over here. I don't know. It's the last words from the Nuremberg trials over here. The last words of myrkahani on my hand. Fuck London calling. All right, so yeah, he had a call. He had a fucking weird skin thing on his face. They cut it off and since this was a Jewish family, they also cut off a piece of Sigmund's penis.

Another pin in that for later. We're gonna need lots of pins actually. This is gonna be a whole theme as well, yes. For our penises? Yeah, ahead of me. All the different reasons for pins. For now, just remember, he's got a barely legal mom. He was born with a skin mask on his face and his penis. And both of those things were taken away without his

permission by his dad. Just keep all that in mind. Everyone goes through a period where their parents tell them not to call anymore. Really? Bro, it's business cards just said, uh, here's my number. Call me, maybe. Calling card. Call Bunyan. What? What? What? What?

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And that's your point. So many words. So many words begin with B.Y. I just have B.Y. You know that. If it's not B.Y. Oh, B, I don't like that. Well, there's a buy.

Um, oh, okay. So where does this story diverge from the origin story for Slender? All right. So moving ahead to Freud's early education, he started out being homeschooled by his weirdly hot mom. Which you can't know. No, she looks like Jeff Sessions before the acid attack. Google picture. Like I said, his weirdly hot mom, he's being homeschooled by his weirdly hot mom, which means his uncontrollable kid boners were happening while he was watching his mother give

nerdy lectures. And you know, if he had any recess time, he was running up to his mom on the playground and pulling her hair and pushing her down. So again, more pins. Hey, you know, he's not for nothing, but we did just like one essay of yours. It doesn't make me feel like I'm getting an uncomfortable insight into your weird, weird personal life. So it cannot. Insighting to your weird weird personal life I've done 688 podcast episodes with him you can't Great three notes

So Apparently Sigmund did quite well at home school. Yeah top of this class Eventually enrolled in a German prep school where he continued to excel academically. And when he was 17 years old, he went to the University of Vienna with a plan to study law, but he quickly decided to focus on medicine instead, especially physiology. This included a project with Darwinist, Z Zoology professor Carl Klaus during which Freud spent four entire weeks cutting up eels looking for their penises and never finding them. Um, pin.

He just walking around college thinking about milfs more raised. He'd like to fill in. Well, I for one also find a fascination with EOPness is weird and disturbing. And my next essay will be about, well, well, calendars. So, I'd finally graduated from the University of Vienna with an MD after eight years of study.

And the following year, he began his medical career at Vienna General Hospital doing mostly research work related to the... EOPnosis. No, close, though. To the physiology of the human brain. So close. And, yeah, very close, absolutely. And if you listen to our episode on the history of cocaine, you might remember that during this time,

he wrote a paper about how cocaine is super duper fun and awesome, called UberCocca. And during the next decade or so, he prescribed cocaine as a pain reliever, a way to fix a morphine addiction. More change it, yeah. And this is my favorite one, away to sooth nasal inflammation.

And of course, is a thing that doctors with prescription pads should take themselves if they feel like it. And he felt like it a lot. A lot. A lot. Yeah, hello doctor, I've got a problem with... Not enough cooking! Yeah, here, try this cooking.

Fixes that right now. I don't know what I was going to say that I was going to... You're out of cooking! Yep, happens to me all the time. Here you go, buddy! I don't know, I don't think... That you're having good enough cooking! I've got your cover!

Would you just stop and listen, I've got a very serious... Lack of cooking! Yeah! Okay, now all I have here... I've got you covered. Would you just stop and listen, I've got a very serious lack of cocaine. Yeah, okay. Now all I have here, but if you wait until Tuesday, my guy will be around. We can go split these. Do you have insurance? That helps. This is the best syphilis I've ever had.

Right? You know, if you mix this cocaine addiction with his biology class, you can see why he had a fetish for high eels. Oh, I'm trying to get my objective comfort into one of disgust. Wait, what? It's Freudian for shit tits. That's fair. Which one gives you the comfort, Eli? I just want to know which of those gives you the comfort.

You don't want to know. I don't want to know. I take that question. I see how it opens my emails go. All right, speaking of shit tits and addictions, Freud was also a long time tobacco smoker. He started with cigarettes around age 24 and then eventually became a big cigar smoker too. Apparently he thought this made his brain work better and provided a great way to exercise his self-control ability is just working it out. But turns out he was really just, you know, paying for that gym membership and eating donuts in the sauna because spoiler ends up dying from mouth cancer from the cigars. But for a while there, Freud insisted that those addictions were actually good

and provided a substitute for masturbation, which he called, quote, the one great habit. And quote, that's fair. Yeah. A great. Last part, while you get your pins out. He thought sucking on a tobacco tube was a great substitute for masturbating. Yeah. I'm going to go with one point for masturbation on this one. Jerk enough doesn't give you a hand cancer. Someone's going to unleash ass.

You use vape liquid for lube, which I do. How often was this guy masturbating that he thought like a good one-to-one trade-off between smoking and jerking off-existent? Like, I'm going through a bad day of jerking off. Just taking breaks in the middle of the work, trying to go jerk off. Ah, I don't get a jerk off-prink. What's the big deal? I'm 15 feet away from the door. Fuck you. It's my right. Look, as the as the smoker on the on the call here, I can tell you a cigarette in your hand will discourage you, but it won't prevent you.

It can still happen. And a couple other fun details about Sigmund Freud. He was an atheist raised in a Jewish household who focused heavily on the bounding of desire by law. He was also an avid reader of William Shakespeare. And according to many experts, his views on psychology and human sexuality were based on extremely disturbing Shakespeare characters. So it was a fun lesson for all of us, whoever might be listening on the call. Just any of us, Jewish kids who turn atheist and studied too much Shakespeare,

might need to monitor their mental health and might have terrifying views on sexuality. I can't see. So he's using history to attack me. We said, we said in the meeting, no using history to attack each other. Counterpoint, you know, an interesting, interesting addition to that, uh, heath is Freud wasn't kosher, so he could consume massive amounts of Sir Francis Bacon too. So what would you do this to me? What would you do this to me? What is this? So, take that. Elyna started his transition from neurology research into a career in clinical psychiatry

around 1885. That's when he started a fellowship in Paris with Jean-Martin Charkot, who was studying hypnosis, which is nonsense. And to Freud's credit, he quickly realized that and stopped using hypnosis with his patients. It's medium nonsense. Yeah, it's medium nonsense, exactly. But it gave him the idea to focus on talking with patients

and using techniques like free association or just shouting stuff out is what that means. And he used that to delve into repressed memories and the root causes of personal trauma. And this all became the basis for what he began calling psychoanalysis. I love this. I love it up until this moment, I guess,

if somebody was acting crazy, nobody thought to talk to that guy. No, I did not. I can reel down lately. Oh, wow. Did you ask him what's going on? Of course not. Sure. Let's put him in prison. Excellent. We haven't moved far. All right. Well, I'll tell you what, I can't speak for everybody, but I know I've got a cigarette to master bait. So before we go deep in, we're going to take a quick break for a little apropos of nothing. And of course, this is our laboratory. Good. Good.

And one of our brightest young minds, Sigmund Freud, meet Dr. Feinster. Ah, pleasure to meet you. Ah, the same. The same. So tell Dr. Feinster. Ah, pleasure to meet you. Ah, the same, the same. So tell Dr. Feinster about what you're up to. Well, I'm looking for ildix. I'm sorry, you're searching for ildix, man. I mean, not just ildix. I search for all the dicks.

But I already made my way through a bunch of other animals. There's a monkey dick. Oh, there's a whole jar of dog dicks over there. And of course, those are my horse dicks. Yes, young segment has quite the collection. I do over 146 dicks and counting. Sorry, so your brightest student has a collection of dicks. Yes, yes, I had it.

Big places this one. But, Bumble, we live in the age of Darwin. You could travel the world, explore her marvels, open new worlds of science and information on the Galapagos Islands or something like that. Wow. You really think? Of course. Just imagine all the unexplored dicks they must have there on the Galapagos Islands. I wonder to be sure. Okay. So many dicks. All right. And we're back when we last left our notes were ready to lead an army of centabytes. Are you ready to start threatened together some of those pins that we've been putting in? Yes, so this is where Freud's career starts really taking off.

We're in the 1890s now, and he's doing all this psychoanalysis on his patients, and he's writing papers and books about it. Now just to be clear, psychoanalysis, as practiced by Freud, is almost entirely nonsense. Turns out that talking through a repressed memory that may or may not be real doesn't really help improve any symptoms. We know that now. What do you remember about your mother? Describe her breast to me.

Are you sure you're a doctor? I am sure you are not a doctor. So, purking for say like, purky breasts? So, if I tell you again, we refill my prescription, we will fill it together. Purky. Very purky. Normal nipples, not weird big nipples, right? Because those are gross. A little puppy but taught, little... Ah! No! Get out of my office. Yeah, so that's why modern doctors usually focus on psychopharmacology instead, which is using medicine or cognitive behavioral therapy, which is basically telling patients to stop thinking and acting like a crazy person.

Um, still not, not perfect, but definitely better. And Freud's method arguably is better than what they were doing, which is basically that scene from airplane where there's a huge line of people where he did a slap the shit out of the anxious woman. And now we call that a Supreme Court justice confirmation. So, yeah, oh,

oh, oh, oh, just to recap, a psychiatrist used to be essentially a brain dentist, just like stabbing people in the head with sharp tools and hopes of finding the extra mushy part and fixing it somehow. And Freud did help us move towards a better approach. But the stuff he came up with to make that happen is fucking bonkers. And that's what we're gonna talk about now. Okay, okay, before we get into the wacky bits,

which I admit are there, I would like to take a moment to defend Sigmund Freud, okay? Cause you bring up Sigmund Freud and everybody's like, oh, the guy with the edipus complex and cocaine. But nobody does that to the other scientist. Nobody's like, oh, Newton, oh, the guy with the edipest complex and cocaine. But nobody does that to the other scientist. Nobody's like, oh, Newton. Don't you mean the guy who looked for magic in the Bible numbers and dabbled in math? He invented therapy and you do all want to fuck your mothers.

Yes you do. You do. You do. You do. Think about it. You just did. You just wanted to fuck your mother. Right there at home, listening on your iPod. You were like, a little bit exactly. You just did. You just wanted to fuck your mother right there at home listening on your iPod

You were like a little bit exactly you fucked your mother if Freud invented like the calculus of me fucking my mom like I talk about it I didn't do the calculus of you fucking your mom So let's start with Freud's idea called the seduction theory. This is not great. Which says that Freud's idea called the seduction theory. This is not great. Which says that, no, it's not. It says that mental problems are all based on being sexually abused as a kid. During this period, Freud was treating patients with hysteria and obsessional neurosis. And his technique was basically to have these people talk until they mentioned childhood

sexual abuse. And if they didn't do that, he'd yell at them until they remembered. And then he published a paper explaining how 100% of his patients were abused as a child. I guess, except before Freud's way to focus on milves, now he's in the memories I'd like to forget. You know? Or maybe everyone was. Or Freud's way to focus on milves. Now he's in the memories I'd like to forget.

No. Or, or maybe everyone was sexually abused as a kid, right? I was not sexually abused as a kid. Or were you? No, nope. Or were you? No, I was not. Well, Freud was way better at it than me.

He's like, he's doing enough. They say yes. So Freud eventually read his own paper about this and realized that show me on the doll was not the best science. That's not ideal, especially since most of the patients were like, dude, I was, I was trying to get you to calm down and stop injecting cocaine directly into your dick. Pretty sure what I'm saying. But this did lead him to the idea of the unconscious mind.

He believed that traumatic ideas and experiences were often repressed as part of a defense mechanism, but remain in our mind separate from our conscious thoughts and then reappear sometimes. And this negative content in our unconscious mind was often the driver of negative behavior like being obsessive-compulsive or spending all your family's money on cocaine, just all different negatives. Yeah, I mean, you have a subconscious mind that is, that is definitely true and we've proven it and it's not just a fancy way of saying, you can't think all your thoughts at the same time.

Very true. But to be fair though, if you do enough cocaine, every thought except I should do more You can't think all your thoughts at the same time. Oh, that's very true. But to be fair though, if you do enough cocaine, every thought except I should do more cocaine is subconscious. That's true. Now, another component of this unconscious mind theory is the idea of displacement.

This is another defense mechanism in which we take a desire that's unacceptable and displace it onto something that's more appropriate. For example, let's say you really hate your boss and you want to suck his dick to get back at him, but you know you'll get fired for that. So instead you get a prostitute and suck his dick. Oh, wait. I feel like I made it confusing, but okay.

Better example. It's like when you want to kill your dad, but you kill a homeless guy instead. Nope. Now I can. Ah. It's like when you want to fuck your mom, but you fuck a homeless guy instead.

Or your wife. Or your wife. Or your wife. In the article, they used the mom to wife example as boring outside of the same one. You know, you thought you were reading that. or your wife or in the article they used mom to wife example is boring. You know, you thought you're reading that I kept thinking there is literally no better way to describe the huckabee All right, come on Cecil David huckabee only killed a dog So way worse than a homeless person

Super similar to his mom almost person. Oh, right. Yeah. And super similar to his mom. Come on the game. You think the sense on this next one coming up, I actually feel like Freud nailed it. Another version of displacement that he talks about is displacement of you being a bigot. For example, instead of just admitting that you hate gay people, you pretend that God hates gay people,

and you're just following the rules of God. And then you kill a homeless guy and suck his dick. But like in a bad way. It's like a bad, you kill a homeless guy and suck his dick. So basically religion ruins everything as one said. Religion really does have a special kind of hate for the gay zone. No one's setting up a sniper stand outside of a divorce court. You know, not for religious reasons.

I just, I thought I just loved Hawaiian themed lighting. You mean I really hate the Jews? Oh, god damn it. Oh, okay, Tom, you knew that you hated the juice. I also like Hawaiian lighting. All right, so moving on from that, one more example. Displacement can also involve switching out body parts for other stuff as the object of your desire.

And I only include this because I want to read the exact words from Wikipedia. It says, quote, sexual attraction toward a human body can be displaced in sexual fetishism, sometimes onto a particular body part like the foot, or at other times onto an inanimate object. And then for no reason, it says novelist John Cleland referred to the vagina as the nethermouth.

The nether mouth. Yeah. Dog Cleland's like, fine, all right. You know, I'm just going to call it another mouth. And then I'm tackling getting more BJs. So there we go. Another mouth that's made it into the article and is still there. They're like, that's what we like to call a not going to touch that in the wiki business. Wiki business. Yeah, with Tom Kews.

Shit. clues. Shit. That brings us to another major theme. You know, in Freud's work, the interpretation of dreams. Yeah, this is just a seeming to rational for you. My favorite thing right now is we've made heath uncomfortable with his own essay topic and he's trying to move on. He's like, come on guys, it's serious. It's a serious topic about my own personal peccadilias. Yeah. All right. So here we go. Interpretation of dreams. Freud's theory basically says that dreams allows to indulge repressed desires that we can act out in real life. But it's tricky to figure it all out because our unconscious mind turns these already weird desires into just that like crazy nonsense inside the dream world.

So we wake up and all we remember is what Freud calls the manifest content or surface level stuff. Like, you know, okay, I remember I was fucking a chess piece of my mom at a Barney concert and I was made of yogurt just like manifest clear stuff

yogurt But the key is to tease out what he calls the latent content or the actual hidden meaning and by talking through our dreams Ideally while paying somebody way too much money per hour, we can figure out what we secretly desire. Oh, great. Great. Great. This is awesome.

Thanks, Heath. Now our listeners are going to send us messages about their stupid fucking dreams, and we're going to have to listen and pretend we're care, even though we're only sleeping, but they've very small percentage of them. Tom, this is citation needed. If our wives listen, we are sleeping with the vast majority of our listeners. It's if, if I love that Martin Luther King finishes his speech in America is like, yeah, but the laden content tells us you like it like this.

So the, the so called Freudian slip or the slip of the tongue that contains a hidden nugget of truth about you, it's another example of a repressed desire finding its way to the surface, kind of like the latent content of a dream. So when you say, want a fuck instead of hello mother, that would be a clue into your sight. Also, honestly, just saying hello mother, just using the word mother like that is pretty fucken weird too. That's a clue into your sight. Also, honestly, just saying hello mother, just using the word mother like that is pretty fucking weird too. That's a clue to your sight.

Yeah. He's a hello mother, she calls you. Call back. Call. Call. Maybe we're just setting up a call forward, the show. She's so surprised.

Moving on to another noteworthy topic of Freud's work, the id, the ego, and the super ego. Woo! Freud believed the human psyche could be divided into these three parts. The id is the unconscious, the childlike part that does pretty much nothing but see immediate gratification. And I'm pretty sure Freud's work was basically done at this point, but he kept going. He believed there was an opposite

force to the id called the super ego, which is the anal-retentive moralistic, scolding voice in our head. And the ego is the resulting middle ground that mediates between the id and the super ego and, you know, tries to be happy without going to jail. All right. So Eli, no, and he's got it, all right. Yeah, I know, right? I am child-like and carefree. No, no, no, no, in that order, thank you very much. I'm kind of like the wild card, Ego, it's basically the same thing.

Yeah, it's like so, so basically the id and the super ego are the devil and the angel on your shoulder and you're the Ego. Oh, boy, if I and the angel on your shoulder and you're the ego. Oh boy, if I'm the angel on your shoulder, you're saying, especially if you lie on the other shoulder because that person's tilting to one side. You got the devil and the angel on your shoulder and you're the ego stuck in the middle of that psychomacia. And Freud saw this constant struggle as the source of two overriding desires in our brain, the life drive or libido and the death drive. The life drive is the obvious desire to survive and put your dick in stuff and have dicks put in your stuff and seek pleasure

in general. The devil is the life guy in this scenario and the death drive is the angel being like Dude, yeah, I mean all that stuff sounds great The Dicks and your stuff and all that but you could just end all the problems right now just check out just relax forever How nice would that be? Just never watch another Christian movie again. No wonder Eli likes quite so much. He's Jewish. That makes sense. It makes sense. And loved cocaine. He could be a pen name. What we're saying is that he could be a pen. Guys, I just, um, just asking, but do all of you guys, everyone have the,

you know, the angel on the other shoulders, that standard equipment? Yeah, you get an angel to counteract. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, yeah. So I have that. Me too, I have that. I just wanted to make sure you guys all have one too.

That's, I just love when Tom wrote that out. He wrote yaps in every color. But this is certain amount of audience. This isn't going to believe. So I feel like based on what I know of Freud, this story should have more dicks and mouths and hamsters and asses by now. Should. Okay. Sure. He says that you want those things. But when I write about a childhood beauty queen whose death shot to nation,

it can only be for platinum, and is technically a crime. Andrew's an opportunity to be clear and happen. Also, did you guys not get the props I sent? I sent props. Now it's just me. All right. Liars.

And that brings us to another cornerstone of Freud's work, the idea of psychosexual development and how we all go through a series of stages in early childhood that eventually shape our personalities and our sexual desires as adults. According to Freud, the first year of our life is the oral stage. During this period, many of us had a booby in our mouth, a whole bunch, which was obviously delightful. And that whole thing eventually got shut down for a whole bunch of years in a row after about that first year. And if this stage went badly somehow, it can lead to oral fixations later in life, like smoking and overeating and mouth sex.

fixations later in life like smoking and overeating and mouth sex. You can get a three for a few deep throw to call BASA. All right. So I'm just going to go ahead and put a check box here. Yeah. I checked all the boxes ahead. I seem quicker. I'm going to do this. Moving on to the second stage from about age one to three.

We go through what Freud to the second stage from about age one to three, we go through what Freud calls the anal stage during, during this period, we're learning to work with the bowels and the bladder. So we're focused on butt stuff. And again, bladder stuff, if this, yeah, I mean, like also, peepy stuff, but like, you know, the folk, more importantly, the butt stuff. And again, this phase, if it somehow goes badly, Freud thought it would lead to neuroses when you grow up. You know, if you get yelled at for shitting everywhere, you might become anal retentive

and obsessively neat and organized. But if you had bad parents, you might become anal expulsive, characterized by being disorganized, creative and big into shit play. So, you know, pluses and minuses in both columns. Not real sure about the pluses side heath, which other pluses on your list? I don't. So I want to pose the same question as time,

except with minuses. What about... No. So I want to pose the same question as Tom except with minuses. Neat and organized and shit player pluses. Obviously, I think that's clear. All right, next up we have stage three, also known as the phallic stage during which we become aware of our genitals outside of just excretion. And that's around ages three to six. And this is where Freud says we develop our edible complexes or the desire to kill our father and marry our mother like edifice of the Greek tragedy. Apparently, we're just like going down on our Dixon

vagina as an age three and just staring at our dad with rage about how he's still got booby access and we got cut off everyone. Freud's contemporary Carl Jung later expanded this idea and suggested the female version of this should be called the electro complex referring to a girl's animosity toward her mother and desire for her father. Either way, the general idea is that we're all incestuous murderers at age three. And if that doesn't go well, we become psychologically unhealthy as we get older. Why is it got to be marriage? Like, do we have to go right to Mary? Can't we just like date our moms for a little bit? See how it goes. Like a lot. Maybe get your daughter a promise ring or something. I love that Freud is so sexist that someone else had to say to him, what about ladies?

Like despite the fact that almost all of his patients took another guy to come in there and go, what about people without penises? He's like, all right, right, there is to people without the penises. And one other component of the eduple complex is the idea of castration anxiety and penis envy. Freud believed that as a young boy develops his desire to murder dad, he also develops a fear

that dad was onto the whole scheme the whole time. And if you find out you're trying to murder him and fuck mom, he's going to cut your disc off. And then you'd be a girl, which is obviously terrifying. And that stays with you and motivates your sexuality as an adult too. Yeah, because that's the first fucking solution that jumps to mind if you find out your three year old son has a crush on mom, it's gonna be not to your mind, Tom,

but some of us protect our family. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Everybody here together. So, penis envy is what Freud believed to be the female counterpart to castration anxiety because, again, he was a feminist. Yeah. According to Freud, young girls during the phallic stage develop anxiety over not having a penis. I'm not sure how they know about this other option at that point and what it entails, but they do. And this makes the young girls start hating their mom for not birthing them with a penis. It's not clear what the fuck he's talking about. I don't really get this part.

But the penis would just hurt mom more. That just seems shittying. I'm not sure even how that would work. Yeah, we should do an essay on the six other deadly sins of the penis someday. Jim boners that we're too streamed. Yeah, this happens sometimes. And four others. Penis sloth. No, penis sloth. Yeah. There you go. Penis gluttonton. That'd be a good. I can introduce you. Actually, hard path. I'm deleting all the jokes. I'm deleting all the jokes. It's all about the quest for a dick, the general idea, or the quest to keep your dick. And rounding out the list of our stages of psychosexual development,

we have the latency stage from about age six until puberty, followed by the genital stage, also known as all the rest. So apparently we're just like masturbating furiously on the night before we turn six and sharpening knives to kill dad. And then at midnight we come right the fuck down and forget about sex and murder. And that lasts until puberty. And then we become insane again, turn our messed up desires into weird sex stuff, and then we die.

That's the end, according to Freud. And we're saying this is not accurate. That's what we're coming from. All right. So if you had to summarize what you've learned in one sentence, heath, what would it be? Um, I, I love my mother and I love my penis. No, sorry. Sorry.

I love my penis and I love my mother. I got to make sure you made that better. Are you ready for the quiz, sir? Ready for the quiz. All right, Heath. Obviously, the Freudian slip has become a common expression, but what did Freud call it? Was it A, the mama prop is B of a G-tchen pediment?

Or C, the slip of the tongue into your dad's asshole. Hey, mom and propism. There you go. Yes. Nailed it. All right. He from the sound of all this, Freud got every single thing wrong. All of it's wrong.

Why is that? Hey, because, hey, I got a great idea when you're basically mainlining a kilo of coke into your cock every day, rarely yields usable results. Okay, well, I reject the premise of your only answer, but A, why both of our podcasts exist? Tom. He's Freud is remembered for his famous adipus complex. What are some of his lesser known complexes?

A, the one where you eat your feelings or complex carbs. B, when you are a glass case of emotions or Pyrex complex. C, when you have an uncontrollable urge to be an apocultress or B complex. D, the one he wrote a paper or complex sentence. Oh, oh, oh, it's clearly, it's clearly deep. Oh, they're all perfect.

We all want to do. We all want to do. I don't know. You're right or wrong. I don't know. Sure. Be complex. I don't know.

Decomplex. Technically, he has to win here, but after subordinate, clouds, I don't want it to be. So yeah, but nobody, nobody bested you apparently, even though Cecil should win just for subordinate, clouds. But he's here, the winner, and you get to decide who has to do the essay next week.

All right. No, a tap in you in, man. You're up. All right, Tom will love that. So for Cecil Eli Heath and Tom, I'm Noah, thank you for hanging out with us today. We'll be back next week and by then, I'll be an expert on something else. But between now and then,

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