Citation Needed - The Amityville Horror

Episode Date: August 26, 2020

The Amityville Horror is a book by American author Jay Anson, published in September 1977. It is also the basis of a series of films released from 1979 onward. The book is claimed to be based on the paranormal experiences of the Lutz family, but has led to controversy and lawsuits over its truthfulness. --- Our theme song was written and performed by Anna Bosnick. If you’d like to support the show on a per episode basis, you can find our Patreon page here.  Be sure to check our website for more details.

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need to be scared. We're dead. We're dead. Yeah, sorry. I should have told that cashier to fuck herself. Yeah, so my fire bomb prank didn't quite have the hilarious zing I was hoping for. It turns out right now we're all ghosts and now I'll never be able to say it. I can't go back in, right? Yeah, we are ghosts and we're haunting our old podcast studio heat. So now we get to record together for all eternity. Wait, what the... We're gonna be here making podcasts together for eternity? That's the plan, yes. Oh, yeah. So we're ghosts and seashells and hell.

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Hello and welcome to Citation Needed. Podcast where we choose a subject, read a single article about it on Wikipedia and pretend we're experts because this is the internet. And boy howdy is that how it works now. I'm Eli Bosnik and I'll be haunting your earbuds for the next few minutes, but I'll need someone to join us in the spirited discussion. First up, two men who got confused for ghosts every time they go to the beach, Keith and Tom. Okay, I like to reenact the scene from Ghost with the pottery thing. That's what I like doing. Joke is on you Eli. I don't go to the beach anymore because I'm fat.

So now we're gonna go to the beach anymore because I'm fat. Fuck that. So now it looks stupid. And also joining. There's not a beach. And also joining me tonight, the guys go make their movies and stories about Noah and Cecil. You know what? I'm trying to sleep. Yeah.

People I say I ruin their fun. Well, it's super easy to ruin everything when you're not fun to begin with, I'm Italian. Before I begin tonight, I'd like to tell you a scary story. Once upon a time, there was a podcaster who, having no marketable skills, had a baby during the worst financial crisis in recorded history

It's really spooky huh? I feel like stupid. I think it's pretty spooky. Oh man, you know the about a house in New Jersey that should have been condemned but I mean who's counting right you know? But if you'd like to learn how that story has a happy ending just stick around to the end of the show. And with that out of the way, tell us, Heath, what person, place, thing, concept, phenomenon

or event? We'll be talking about today. We're going to be talking about the Amityville Horror. And Noah, you've given this story the up and down. Are you ready to get us with the truth? I'm at least ready to later claim that I did to Eli and that's what matters. So tell us know why did you choose this subject? Well, two reasons. First of all, I find it fascinating that such a readily refutable nothing burger of a claim can hold the imagination of dumb people for so long. We are Q a very

Maybe next week and secondly a very generous donor suggested it and at a certain level of generosity I will do an essay about how delicious your genitals are We sure will Noah we sure will so tell us what is the amity bill horror? Okay, so the amity book horror was a book series and a bunch of movies, but the thing we're going to be talking about today is the bullshit true story that those properties or at least the first one of each were supposedly based on. The haunting of the house on Ocean Avenue and Amityville, New York, and unlike virtually everything written about this anywhere ever, we're not gonna do the, but was it really haunted thing because a fucking corset wasn't,

and a fucking corset were not. Babby said, just because it isn't true, that doesn't mean it's necessarily a hoax, it could also be profiteering off of a mental illness. I wish actually that would still be a hoax. So nevermind, yeah, it's definitely a hoax, it's a hoax. Profiteering of mental illness, was this house owned by Kim Kardashian?

Yeah. That's cool. We'll get to it. All right, so before we get to the hoax though, I've got to talk about a particularly grizzly mass murder. And I have to go into a bit of detail, not because it's pertinent to the story, but because we aim for like at least 30 minutes on this show,

and there's no way I'm gonna get that without getting into detail on everything with this one Okay, so we're gonna start on November 13th of 1974 with a 23 year old named Ronald butch defao junior Trying to figure out what to do with six dead bodies and he wasn't like an amateur magician So they weirdly wound up behind other people's ears Is this your arm? No. Okay, hang on. I'll just one in six. I'm going to get this one right. Right. Yeah. Five other groups of people. I got this.

All right. So now the body's in question belong to his family. Ronald had shot his mother, his father and his four siblings. They just nine to eighteen for reasons known only to him if anyone around three o'clock in the morning and then he sat around for 12 or 13 hours thinking fuck man somebody is bound to notice that eventually After all he cooks up this half-ass plan of taking a bath changing his clothes hide, hiding the evidence, and then running into a bar and going, holy fuck, somebody shot my family, I bet it was the mile. What? It took him 13 hours to come up with that. Yeah, right.

I had to hear what he came up with in the first couple of minutes. Yeah, no shit. All right, what do I do? What do I do? I'm thinking, hmm, murder all the other people in the world. No, it feels like a whole thing. All right, couch snack. Yeah, exactly.

All right, so his a mob hitman did an excuse lasted for most of that evening. Because when you say, hey, the mob killed my family, the cops tend to hold on to you for protective reasons, right? And cops tend to be interested in white people murders in general, but all the more so when you're led to believe that the mafia is involved, right? So they start asking Ronald for details and wild inconsistencies in a story lead to a real quick change of suspect. What? He confesses to the murders the following day. How hard is it to be consistent with that very simple fucking story?

What is that wrong? Oh, sorry, officer, did I say they came through the door and shot him? No, no, no, I mean they swam through the skylight and I killed my family. Okay, but to be fair, he broke under intense interrogational pressure, such as really, really. Yeah, it works with Jonathan Swan. Yeah, so twice. I, I don't know.

You got to answer the second one. Kill my family. Fuck. See every time, every time. All right. So despite the confession. All right. So despite the confession. All right. So despite the confession, Ronald still fought the charging court.

And this is where we meet William Weber attorney at law. Weber is going to loop back into this story in a crazy fucking way. But for right now, all he's doing is mounting an affirmative defense of insanity, which will prove unsuccessful. Ronald Defeo Jr. is convicted on six counts, a second of a remurder and sentenced to six concurrent sentences of 25 to life. And as near as I can tell, they're leaning towards life because he's been in jail for 45 years now and he still

is apparently. Yeah, I've never understood the concurrent sentencing thing like I won't concurrent bill paying like, okay, Chase. All right. I paid my mortgage payment. So can you also apply that to my car and my credit cards too? That'd be, next, I killed six people. Thank you. Yeah. We're going to be an executive order about that last week. Right.

All right. So on December 19th of 1975, 15 days after Ronald Sentence was handed down, Georgian Kathy Lutz, move into the house where the murders had taken place. And apparently they got a hell of a deal on it. They bought it for $80,000, which is damn near 400 grand in today's money, and that's a lot of money, yes, but it's also a lot of fucking house.

It's a five bedroom house on a canal with a bone house and a pool. When the same house was sold in 2016, it was listed at $850,000. And as if the price of the house wasn't awesome enough, they also picked up the murdered family's furniture in the cell for a whopping $400. All right, great, free, young couple, little breakfast, nook. This sounds perfect. And it says Jackson Pollock motif on the upholster. Hey, for $80,000, the ghosts are still worth it.

Yeah. All right. So the luts were newly wedged. They'd been married for about five months. And Kathy was bringing along three kids from her previous marriage, two sons and a daughter ranging from five to nine. And in one of the most useless pieces of information that I have ever seen in a Wikipedia article, I also learned they in a Wikipedia article.

I also learned they owned a crossbreed Malamute Labrador named Harry. Nice. Nice. And yeah, there was a link to that breed in case I needed to know more about that. Is there a link to let us know if he was a good boy? I bet he was a good boy.

I'm pretty sure he was a good one. No matter how many times he edits the Wikipedia article, no, there is not a thing. That's it. Back again. All right, so this family moves in, No matter how many times he edits the Wikipedia article, no, there is back again. All right. So this family moves in and because people are stupid, they're a little worried about the hex troupe homicide that happened there a year earlier.

So they decided to get the house blessed. And because we as a society continue to turn a blind eye to the rampant con artistry and unapologetic bett shittery that is religion, there are plenty of people available to magically cleanse one's home of murderiness in the phone book. Bob hit mass murder home blessing company. Can I fucking help you? It'll be so harsh about this whole thing, Noah. They're just looking for some sage advice.

That's just a cool question. My question is, how do you shop around for that service? Is it an age's list thing? I feel like, yeah, father, we don't need he blessed our house. It hasn't been haunted for years. Yeah, what? So I should point out, by the way,

that we have now entered into the realm of questionable bullshit. Up until now, shit was relatively uncontroversial. Well, because the murder got so much national attention, there actually are people that dispute the conviction and believe that defao family really was killed by a mob, be a hitman. Oh, yeah, possible. Then they then dressed, Ronald, enforced him to confess, to cry about to him, including telling the conceptually not killed by Occam's razor.

That's for sure. Right. Right. But other than those assholes, we can all agree about the murder and the subsequent purchase of the house. That is the last thing that we're going to be able to agree with the assholes on. Even the fact that they call the priest a blessed house will be suspect before this is all of the interesting.

I think we can all agree that Noah is clearly in on this is what we can all agree on. You seem really hung up on the bathing part. No, if I came home and the mafia had murdered my whole family, I think a little time with Mr. Bubble might be warranted. That's a rough. That's fair. Yeah. Right. Right. So anyway, they call up a priest to bless the house and they wind up with father Ralph J. Pecoraro in the subsequent book and movie based on these events. This guy is renamed man Q so and ostensibly that's for privacy reasons, but it's also because of all the shit they were later going to say happened that's for privacy reasons but it's also because of all the shit they were later gonna say happened to this guy. It's fucking nonsense and naming

the guy that supposedly happened to makes that way easier to disprove. Yeah, we got to protect this guy's identity. Should we call him father, boopity, boopity, pizza pie? No, it's going mad, K man, who's so it's the according to the story and by story, I mean, both the book and the later claims of the lots is a pecororo comes over to bless

the house while they're unpacking and apparently that process involves going from room to room mumbling Harry Potter spells and sprinkling magic water around the and he's in one of the bedrooms when suddenly something mystifying happens.

He hears a mysterious voice say, good out. And he feels an invisible hand smack him in the face, which I mean, he's a Catholic person, probably deserve that. Later, he allegedly developed blisters on his hands that were similar to stigmata. Ah, if only cameras had existed right. Right. Or even just Yelp, you know, for Mr. Pecararo. Like, oh, Mr. Pecararo arrived on time. Brought his own magic water. That was nice.

But he did get easily beat up by the ghost of a trial. Two stars. Terrible blessing. Of course, this is where the haunting starts and earnest. And one of the things that I really love about this story is that the claims of supernatural occurrences always seem to mix in just mundane shit that happens in houses with the ramblings

of an unmedicated psychopath. Here are two examples, both from the clickbaity website biography.com. Quote, the Lutz family claimed to smell strange odors see green slime oozing out of the walls and and experience cold spots in certain areas of the house. One of these things is not like the other. Yeah, I mean the key when buying a haunted house is to get a good inspector. Oh, shit. Shit. Shit. Shit.

Walking through your house like, is it drafty in here? Just me? This is me. It is slimy though. It's slimy. It's a burning toast. I fell for a toast. Wait, wait, I haven't even better example.

I love the so goddamn much. Quote. This is a more examples of the haunting. Qu quote, a nearby garage door opening and closing. Okay. Those are the two things it can do. Any fucking thing else that garage door did would be. Did something that wasn't closed? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. But the quote goes and nearby garage door opening and closing. Uninvisible spirit knocking a knife down in the kitchen. What? A pig like creature with red eyes staring down at George and his son Daniel from the way. Big demon. Big demon.

I will be with you in a second. A fucking knife just fell over. Damn it, Mark. I told you the knife thing was going to a distraction from my pig demon thing now. Yeah, just falling. But yeah, a lot of the phenomenon were stuff like it smelled weird and it was cold in the foyer. No matter how high we cranked up, they had thermostat. But there were also a few things slightly less believable. George claimed that his wife would suddenly transform

into a 90 year old woman from time to time. His kids beds would leap around like chattering teeth and doors would violently rip themselves off of their hinge. Even when they were locked. Okay. At one point, George and Kathy claim that they found clove into hoof prints in the snow leading away from their house. If you follow them, it leads to a really sad little pig person. I know where I'm not watching.

Yeah, man. Yeah. I have to wonder if like Georgian Kathy didn't have different feelings about that whole haunting situation now. Jesus, do you see the door fly off the fucking hinges? No, baby, I missed that. Wait, you missed the door tearing itself

violently from the frame of the house and flinging itself about under its own. How did you miss that? Yeah, I was like paying candy crush and you know, I just kind of get in the zone when I'm playing candy crush. Did you lock the door? You got to try locking the door. Lock the door. The door didn't come on. Locked and flew off from the goddamn hinge. Look, the fucking door frame is ripped apart. Sorry, I just, you know, if you'd locked the door, this probably wouldn't have happened. Holy shit, honey, are you suddenly 90 years old? What is?

Yeah, I noticed that. That's the thing. I'm digging to get in some Botox, maybe a fraxal laser treatment or something. Holy shit, oh shit. This bed is vibrating like crazy. We have got to get out of here. Yeah, you go first,

I'm gonna see if anything else happens. Are you taking off your pants? I thought you were leaving. Remember to lock the door. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Oh my God. So the lets us flood the house on January 14th of 1976. So, we were 28 days after they moved in. They left their belongings behind and never stepped foot back in the house house though they did eventually pay some movers to come back and back up all their shit. They sold the house a year later for about two thirds what they paid for it and while a ton of doubt was cast on their story both Georgian Kathy would go to their graves insisting

that the haunting was real. But they were lying. All right, well, if but I super duper amant lying isn't gonna hold up around here, I need some new alibi. So let's take a break for a little apropos of nothing. Yes, Lord Satan, what's up? Ah, Bella, the unforgiven and Dave Walnick from Paramus, New Jersey. Hello. How goes our Amityville project? Quite well, your evilness. As you know, the young boy opened a portal of power

when he murdered his family. And I've used that to appear to them in my darkest form. Yes, that's agreed in carnage. The very same, my lord. No better way to shake them to their very souls. And I'll, oh, are you going again? I thought we'd take turns, you know? No, you go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. You said first. No, I'll go. No, it's fine. Sorry. Yeah, I, um, I moved a knife around, uh, in their kitchen. But, hmm see, perhaps, toward the open hand of the father in temptation, but perhaps over

the gentle throat of a newborn baby. No, no, no, no, no, just, uh, what's kind of tipped it over, uh, spooked him something awful though. Let me tell you, spooked him all the way, knocked it over. It, it spooked him. Yeah. Uh, so, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, faith in God. Something like that. Oh, yeah. I got it. I got it.

Uh, all right, how about this? Um, I'm going to make their foyer, like, real drafty. Real drafty. Yeah, yeah, like, like, whoa, what's so drafty in here in this foyer? Got it. Right? Pretty evil. Drafty.

Why don't you open their garage door loser? [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ And we're back. Noah, when we left off a man was mentally ill and then so were some other people maybe. I'm sure everyone treated that story with the respect and dignity it deserved, right? Okay, alright, so yeah, thanks for that setup. No, actually, we're gonna find out, no, budget-propertyering bastards. So, we're gonna talk about the budget prop it during bastards. So I We're gonna talk about the aftermath of the horror, but but let me just say first of all that this Wikipedia article has been the site of more major battles than the Assanzo river. Oh wow. Yeah, we all know how that those

Battles there went all of us know battles there went, no of us, no, no comparison, you're apt to me. I saw Silesia River, was bad one. Listen to some Dan Carly Goddiment. Okay, so the criticism, I shit you know, the criticisms and controversy segment of this article is 1,000 words, lots. And it has no fewer than 12 citation needed tags.

And a half dozen other like clarification needed and dubious disgust type tags littered in with all of those. The dog was a good boy, whatever. It was. Well, okay, so now some of these are very sensible, but many of them also aren't like at one point one editor wrote in like neighbors didn't report anything unusual and somebody tagged that with who?

Right as though they were gonna cite the neighbors who didn't say anything. So almost immediately after the lots has moved out of the house in Amityville, they started negotiating rights to their story with publishers because you know what better way to follow up in the most terrifying moment in your life than by voluntarily, we're living it for hours and hours and a stretch right away. So eventually they sent a lot of publisher and this is where Jay and Son enters the picture. He's a writer whose entire canon of work at this point, consistent of writing the promotional shorts for movies. Right. Like the, the making

of docushorts for Clint Eastwood Flicks that they would plan to NBC and shit. That's what he wrote. The Amityville horror would be his first novel as well as his penultimate one. I get it, Ralph Allison, Sylvia Plath, and the Amityville guy, they had to. They all get to who are authors banned by public schools full of Christian people on the school board. All right, so the book comes out on in September of 1977 and the movie comes out in July of 1979. A mere three and a half years after the events. Oh, no, sorry. I'm sorry. The first movie came out of the 21 movies that eventually were made stepping from this story. That's not counting documentaries, by the way. And if all this entertainment industry turns around something insanely fast, that's because it is. It's almost like all of

this was planned out in advance, even before they bought the fucking house, which was the allegation of a lawsuit of around that time by one William Weber. Remember him? It was the lawyer that unsuccessfully defended Ronald DeFail. Well, according to Weber's lawsuit, he and the lutses cooked up the whole haunting story over a couple of bottles of wine and agreed to split the profits when they sold the story. It was in fact their failure to split said profits that led to the lawsuit. Bottle of red bottle of fright. Okay, we're going to make a fortune on this ghost story, guys. We'll just need to murder six people to create the ghosts. So in Weber's defense, his lawsuit was actually a counter suit.

He'd gone public already admitting that the whole thing was a hoax and the lots of suit him along with good housekeeping, the New York Sunday news and the first corporation all of whom had printed his claims. So of course, the suits against Sunday news and the first corporation, all of whom had printed his claims. So, of course, the suits against the news companies are thrown out, but Weber countersuits for breach of contract. He's so, he basically ordered like, all right, your honor, we were supposed to split

the ghost money after my defendant murdered those six people, supposed to split it. I am still a lawyer. Yep. So, it shows Giuliani, it's supposed to split it. I am still a lawyer. Yep. So juliani, it's not hard. So yeah, so this lawsuit has heard in September of 1979, the movie is still in theaters at that point. And in the conclusion of the lawsuit, judge Jack B. Weinstein dismisses the Lutze slaves altogether and said, quote, based on what I have heard, it appears to me to a large extent, the book is a work of fiction, relying in large part upon the suggestions of Mr. Weber and quote.

Yeah, he added after that. And sir, ma'am, dressing in a sheet and going, woo, did not help your kids. I just, not, especially the second time because I'd already told you anyway. Yeah. All right, so but that leads to this fascinating question, right? Why the fuck is the defense attorney for the murderer cooking up stories with the people that bought his house? There's been some speculation that he was planning

on using the claims to somehow get a new trial for his client, but nothing I've seen presents a career and idea about how the fuck you would even make that argument. And I sure, I'll get, think of one myself. Why, cheats, no, okay, that didn't work before. So there were ghosts of these murdered people here before I murdered. No, if you can't imagine that argument, you've never had a conversation with someone who thinks Adnan didn't do it. So I get it. All right.

Yeah. We've got some forums. The story genuinely is turned to corner though. We're in some believable stuff like immoral attorneys. So yeah, right. That's exactly good. All right. So the most likely story though about why Webber is involved is just he saw that there

was money to be made. The exorcist came out in 1973. It was crazy successful. And it wouldn't have taken a genius to figure out that another based on true events horror story would be worth a fortune to the people who controlled those rights. He winds up connected to this gruesome crime that already had a ton of press, right? People were already talking about it. And then either he recruits the luts or he reaches out to them when they buy the house. Snacks on the door. Hi, William,

whether congrats on the house. Hey, any chance you guys are immoral frauds? You are great. Great. Great. So all right. So long story short, um, Rock Beats scissors. I already created the ghosts.

So, uh, you guys just need to get haunted for a little bit, I guess. Right. Problem. The problem. Of course, like, so not everybody is convinced that Weber's claims of a hoax are legitimate, even though it was literally adjudicated in the court of God damn law. And while it's true that there's no way to prove his claims, or at least no way I know of, that doesn't mean we can't prove that the lusses are full of shit about their claims. And not just in a bedstone jump up and down and ladies don't float kind of way.

Literally every single thing that could feasibly be checked up on was checked up on. And even the mundane details turned out to be lies. No, no. Little, little baby pig person in the bushes quietly sobbing because no one takes them seriously. I'm so sad, Noah. Hey, don't worry, baby, big person. Someday you're going to be the president. So let's start with the the priest guy, father Pecoraro.

Now, he had never gave any interviews about this to the media, but he did testify by phone in this aforementioned trial. And not only did he diss about every single thing they said about him, he says he actually never went to the fucking house. He just, he just talked to George Lutz on the phone once about a claim of supernatural shit going on at his house. And I was like, oh yeah, somebody was violently killed

and then returned from the dead with a message for the living. What kind of idiot do you take me for? That's it. Now in the interest of full disclosure, I should point out there is a claim that Pecororo did do an on camera interview about the incident in which he corroborated the entire story, but he did so with his identity disguised because he was afraid of the professional repercussions if he was directly connected to this horror movie stuff. The guy who works for the child rape rape, Kabul was worried about his reputation.

And an interview does exist with a priest whose identity has been obscured, who says that yes, I went to the house and all this shit happened, but it was on that's incredible. And anyone who remembers that show or anything at all about that show basically knows that that means it was definitely

bullshit. I really hope this represents the only time that that's incredible is sighted as a Wikipedia service. Yeah, I feel like we need a better citation needed tag on Wikipedia. Should they've got one of the dollop, which is just. That was a compliment to you guys. That was a comfortable. Of course, there's much more urine to spray on this story still because there's also

physical evidence that it's bullshit. Remember the claims about doors that would rip themselves off their hinges and tear through their locks. We did a skit about it and everything. Well, according to Barbara Cromardi, the lady who eventually bought the house post haunting, all of the locks and hinges in the house were still original material, right? The original hardware. And this was backed up by a film crew from the show That's Incredible.

You can literally see that the paint and shit hadn't been retouched around any of the hinges or anything. Yeah, we're actually renaming our show to That's Mundane. Right? Also, there's fucking meteorological data to refute their claims, which I absolutely love. Really? Yeah, the luches claim that at one point, they found the hoof prints in the snow one morning leading away from their house. Well, we keep records of when it snows and it hadn't snowed around that time. So either the devil brought snow with him or that claim is definitively

bullshit. Just Satan stomping around in the backyard. Okay, this isn't working. I feel stupid. That's right. We have a snow guy. I feel like this is one of those like knock down one domino kind of situations, right? Unless we believe that they actually did see a red-eyed pig demon and float and beds and shit. And they were like, you know, without some hoof prints to sell this thing, nobody's gonna buy it. If citation needed has taught us anything, it's that if anyone ever remotely competent decides to be a fraud, they will never ever be caught.

Yeah, right. As long as we keep the current Congress, yeah. Of course, all of that evidence just proves the claims to be wrong, not racist, strong. So I want to add one more little reputation, which is a bit of a minor one. The legend around the house that's presented in both the book and the movie is that the reason the house is haunted is because it sits on the place with a shinnokok Indians once abandoned their mentally ill and dying and Unless some random white people from Long Island know more about the Shinnokok history than the actual local Native American leaders and historians

That's also bullshit I feel like this isn't a throw stones moment either. It's like hard to find a place in America where we don't abandon our mentally ill and dying Yeah, that's true. That's true. And no, if you had to summarize what you've learned in one sentence, what would it be? My house is haunted, pay me. Ah, waste of my time with this podcast and bullshit.

You live in Georgia, give it a second. Are you ready for the quiz? Sure, why not? All right, Noah, why was the 1979 movie about this filmed in Tom's River, New Jersey instead of Amityville in Long Island, New York? Hey, the Long Island highways were jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive. See, that's born to run everybody. Fuck. God damn it. Yeah, thank you for your 45 year reference. I appreciate it.

45. So yeah, it was born 45 years ago. It was a listen of fucking the boss 45 years ago. Yeah, we're bringing Steve the pretty obscure reference. That's my fault. It is true. So be fuck. Okay. The spring steam the parade skewer reference that's my fault So be fuck okay

All this at no this be is a be a Billy Joel reference here's the hoping so Who the fuck is Billy Joel what am I 45 years old? So moving on to be everybody. Again, why was the movie filmed in Tom's River, New Jersey instead of Andy though, post the question earlier. Option B, the location in New Jersey, Tom's River, New Jersey, did a better job of capturing the true nature of the garbage human beings involved in the story.

So we see the local government of Amityville, New York refused to allow filming because they didn't want to be associated with the garbage human beings involved in the story. D, all of the above, E answers A and B only, F answers A and C only or G answers B and C only. All right. You're trying to be tricky. Let us. Obviously it can't be a, you're anything about who the fuck has ever even heard of that reference. So it's I'm gonna go jeez answers B and C. Oh, that's actually correct. Yeah, I was also jammed with broken hair as an elastic.

All right. All right, Noah, what was the favored drink of the Amityville murderer? Hey, shooters. Be a bloody Mary. See anything made with red rum. All right, well, I can tell I can tell Tom that you tried, we were really hard on C. So we're going to go with C. I would give you C.

It was all the headwritten. I would say, I would give you a say that was all I had written. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Noah, what's the best name for a pig person? A, poor scene, Connery, B, he goes by hamlet, but his real name is Francis Bacon, C, and that's the, that's B. I love it. See, piggy smalls.

Neel's boar or ease. Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Oh shit. All right. Well, I'll tell you what, you're really trying to get me with E there, but obviously it's the one that's going to piss Eli off the most. It's going to have to be B. It is B.

It is B. All right. Well, I didn't have to do the pun slash word, play part of the show this week, so I'm the winner. And I choose Cecil to do the next essay. All right. All right, well, for Noah, Tom Cecil and Heath, I'm Eli, they can you for hanging out with us today. We'll be back next week, and by then Cecil

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Sorry. Sorry. Do do your thing. You're, you're, you're just pretty good.