Citation Needed - The Mandela Effect

Episode Date: March 10, 2021

In psychology, a false memory is a phenomenon where someone recalls something that did not happen or recalls it differently from the way it actually happened. Suggestibility, activation of associated information, the incorporation of misinformation, and source misattribution have been suggested to be several mechanisms underlying a variety of types of false memory phenomena.

No, because the Mayo warms the rest of the hot pocket to room temperature and it's just a sandwich. Okay, but that still has to take longer than just microwaving it. It's about perfect room temperature, Tom. Perfect. Room temperature. Right. And so then whoever gets their ship into enemy territory first, it's their first pick of the resources on the next turn. I don't, this is super boring. This is, it's not, it's not boring. Do we have even gotten to the action phase?

We haven't gotten to the interesting phase. Keith, Keith, tell Cecil how fun colonizing Mars is. Keith, my name is Heath. You said, that's what I said. You said, no, no, no, you, he said Keith. You guys heard that, right? Seriously, Heath, this again. It's real. he said Keith. You guys heard that right? Seriously, heath this again. It's real.

He said Keith. Well, heath has this crazy obsession that Eli constantly calls him Keith all the time, but it's not, wait, hold on, hold on, it's not Keith. Are you fucking serious right now? I've got him's Keith too. I'll along. It's Keith.

It's Keith. You're Christmas. And heathen, right, it's wordplay. It's awesome. I don't get it. I don't get it. It's Keith, it's Keith. You're Christmas. And he even writes, it's wordplay. It's awesome. I don't get it. I don't get it. It's he even and right.

It's a wordplay. I see what the two things. If it's a swordplay, I don't get it. But I do understand what's happening here, I think. Okay, thank you. See, so God, explain it please. Keith is messing with us. What?

And today's episode's on the Mandela effect. So he convinced Eli and Noah to pretend his name was heep. Heep, it's heep as like an example. No, that's clever. Are you okay? Yeah. You got to hand it to Keith. Eli, Noah, will you tell him please?

You gotta see, so yeah, jig is up. Nice try the Keith, that was a fun one. Yeah, man. You have going for a second though. I Don't it's not Hate you guys Hello and welcome to Citation Needed, the podcast where we choose a subject read a single article about it on Wikipedia and pretend we're experts because this is the internet. And that's how it works now. I'm no illusions or at least I think I am.

And I'll be playing tour guide up this trip down counterfeit memory lane, but I won't be alone. First up to men who were never cranks henchmen regardless of what your memory tells you. Cecil and Keith. That is true, but when I pull up my shirt, I have a crang pack so it confuses everybody. Yeah, and I do not pull up my shirt ever. That was wise. And also, Joe, to go tonight. I would even masturbate without shirt on. I'm just moving.

You just in the shower, crying with a shirt on, whatever. I just wear my giz-bib. That's all I gotta do is have my hat on. I'm fine. Well, there you go. And also buying his tonight. Oh, that is taken.

Yeah. And of course, also joining us tonight, two men who despite your recollections, never wore pointy caps in your grandmother's garden Tom and you That is true, but I did stand very still while reading manufacturing consent to an old lady one You see people this is what you get when you don't make me make him go horse to go clip clock 1988 noam Chomsky Deep Cups. This is what we're doing. Thank you.

I was you're rationally proud of that joke. I prefer the Chomsky Deep Cuts to be perfectly frank. The Chomsky Deep Cuts can stay all day. Where's the go clip cop needs to go? The paradigm of clip plot. Oh, and speaking of memory, we were looking over the numbers the other day. It looks like, so you guys forgot to support the show financially. Lots.

Didn't pay. Oh, yeah. So I'm sure you probably did. We did, but then we said something about sticking around to the end of the show when you were like, yeah, I'm totally going to do that. But then you were distracted or something and you've thought, she's going to go in the legs. I just, I sure hope that wouldn't happen again.

And with that out of the way, tell us Keith what person plays thing concept phenomenon or event will be talking about today. Keith and we're going to be talking about the Mandela effect. All right. So what is the Mandela effect? It is people forgetting stuff. That's it. Yeah. That's the one. Yeah. Sometimes people remember stuff. Let's it. That's the more. Neat.

Sometimes people remember stuff. Oh, that's a wrap. Let's get dinner, guys. Yeah, absolutely. And sometimes they don't remember stuff correctly. That's it. But sometimes a bunch of people misremember in the same way.

And that is magic. And that's the Mandela effect. It's the phenomenon in which a group of people all share the Mandela effect. It's the phenomenon in which a group of people all share the same false memory Also there might be alternate universes that collided and quantum something something signs Pin in that for later point being the Mandela effect is Remembering wrong, but with a more exciting name for people who have dimensional sharpas and so on. And spoiler alert, 99% of the time it's because white people are racist.

So yeah, just get that out of the way right now. That explains a lot of things. Mandela effect got its name around 2010. After a woman named Fiona Broom went to a conference and noticed that she wasn't the only person who was certain that anti-apartheid leader Nelson Mandela died in jail at some point during the 80s. He did not. He was president of South Africa from 1994 to 1999 and he died in 2013. But all these people, including Brum, were positive that they remembered news reports of Mandela dying in the 80s, along with a televised funeral that included a tearful eulogy from Nelson Mandela's wife Winnie. Yeah, they divorced in 1996 about a decade after Nelson died in this theory. Side note, Fiona Broome's area of expertise is

paranormal consultant. Fuck that, please. Neat, to mention a Sherpa. Yeah, no, that takes me as so fucking insane that this came up in 2010. Right because, you know, Mandela did some super significant I know. It's a piece of shit. Yeah, it's kind of a big deal. Yeah, we like you think, we like you think in the Obama died in 2004, which is obviously ridiculous because it took until the mid-2016

to fully kill off a box. Right. I think it was a replacement of what it was right. So the Mandela effect is actually just a new title for something we've known about for a long time false memory Also known as being wrong One of the early pioneers in the field was actually Sigmund Freud and that tracks because Freud was wrong about pretty much everything

He said And he was swimming around in piles of cocaine like a fucking gravel and pile the cocaine like a fucking gravel factory. So, yeah. Oh, my God. Everybody, the guy who's super into incest porn thinks Freud was wrong about everything. That's a huge surprise. Yeah.

He was, though. The part of his work about memory is still being studied. And one of the major things we've learned is that manipulation of language can be used to create false memories. A simple example would be a leading question based on an experiment by Loftus and Palmer in 1974, we learned that if you ask people to remember a car crash and estimate the speed,

like you show them a video of a car crash and you ask them, what was approximately the speed? They say higher numbers if the question has the phrase, cars smashing into each other, instead of cars hitting each other. Huh, huh.

Yeah. Well, that's, that's useful if you're ever at fault in an accident. You just get out like, oh, sorry. Nudge you with my car, pillows, soft cloud, oral service. Yeah, no, man, I tried that last time. And that turns into a very weird evening

with more than one sore bumper after getting rear-wheeled. It's just, very weird. The same effect of language manipulation on memory can be seen in Freud's work. Imagine two different scenarios in which a person is being asked about their ideal sexual partner.

In the first example, you ask him to remember their favorite sexual experiences and then describe their favorite stuff. Nope, no, no, no, it's a trap. Do not answer that question. I don't know what it is. Nope. You're right. You're right. You're a true story. In fact, make up some shit to say in case it comes up now. Yeah, get ready for that. It's trap question. It's you younger fuck. Dammit. All right, I'll tell you, but don't tell your sister. I don't want Thanksgiving to be weird. So yeah, first example, remember your favorite sex stuff and then describe the favorite parts of that.

In the second example, Sigmund Freud tries to hypnotize you, which is fake. He tells you to remember some good sex he had. Then he tells you to imagine your mom's vagina and he has five giant rolls of protein. He tells you to describe idea of sexual partner. So what do you end up with, two different answers? You know, two different scenarios. And that's because our thoughts are made of words. And our memory thoughts can be molded by things we hear later. That pretty much explains the Mandela effect except people are fucking stupid so no it doesn't

be common. explains the Mandela effect except people are fucking stupid so no it doesn't. No, we know your ideal sex partner. Would you rather be hitting or smashing them? Which would he? Oh, see, Saul. He would never hit his mom. Oh, okay. Oh, God. He loves that lady.

Moving on. If you are there, I'll write it that. You are there psychological phenomena. They also come into play with the Mandela. Yeah, well, we all fuck Keith's mom. Raise your hand if you'd fuck Keith's mom. That's a lot of hand. We're not on video for the official record. Okay, so another psychological phenomena also come into play with the Mandela effect.

One of those is basically the movie inception. You can implant memories. That's real. So apparently you can just tell people fake stuff about their past and they'll turn it into a memory. Psychologist James Cohn did an experiment in 1997 where he printed up booklets that gave details about childhood events and gave them to a bunch of his family members. Some of the stuff was true, but some of it was made up.

In the booklet he gave his brother, one of the fake stories was about getting lost in a mall and being helped by an old man, back when the brother was a kid, when asked to recall the events in the booklets as best he could. The brother completely believed the mall story was real, turned it into a memory, and even created new details to embellish that fake story

that he turned into a memory. Like, if the booklet said Nelson Mandela died in 1985 after a fist fight on the ceiling of a hallway, lots of people might create a memory for that. Or at least the part where a Mandela died. Well, now, you know, nowadays, if you make up a memory, you could get sued by Dominion for $2.7 billion. Well, at least or if you go around a psychic conference asking people if they thought Nelson Mandela died in the

80s, they might invent a memory where they know who that is. Don't see Miss Rince. I don't know. I don't know your book? There's also a possibility. Can I say my favorite part about the James Cohen experiment that has nothing to do with anything? He's got one Noah uncle in that thing. He gives the book and he's like, why would you make up these fucking photos? You're an asshole, James.

I'm a science experiment at Thanksgiving. You're an idiot. I hate you. It's great. He had to write it all down. He was like, called me an idiot for a picture. I made a pot-air balloon, right? Or did he give that uncle a booklet about being a skeptic?

Ooh, who knows? But if you're still convinced the Mandela effect is magical, there's still one question. Why would so many people from different parts of the world all have the same false memory? That's what convinces him. And the thing is, it's not just the death of Nelson Mandela. We'll get into a pretty big list

of collective false memories in a minute, but even with the language manipulation and the inception, how would a big group of people who don't know each other end up with the same fake memory? And the answer is, conflation and confabulation. Conflation in this context is when we merge multiple pieces of information and incorrectly remember them as one single thing. And confabulation is when we fabricate details to fill in the gaps of a memory without any conscious intention to be lying, but we're making stuff up. And we all tend to do this in similar ways,

especially if we're given a similar seed of information. Like, for example, maybe there's a news broadcast about an African person who died, at which point, tons of white people confabulate the one African person they can name. You're not gonna know. You're not gonna know. Yeah, I guess we should count ourselves lucky

that we didn't all think Denzel Washington died. Yeah, to be fair, most white Americans are at least a little convinced that Don Cheetle is a Rwandan hero. They're just, or at least a hotel owner. So before we get into the big rabbit hole of insanity about how people try to explain the Mandela effect, here's the big takeaway about what's actually happening. We're bad at remembering stuff, that's it. And we tend to remember things incorrectly in ways that are convenient.

For example, everyone thinks they're plus minus on sharing their drugs is way higher than it actually is over the course of their lives. And everyone thinks they were way less wrong than they actually were during that argument they lost. And everyone thinks they quote, definitely beat me a decent number of times at that sport or game. But no, they didn't. And no, they weren't. And yes, they owe me a bunch of weed. Fun fact. I'm the only one who has a perfect memory. It's true. I'm like one of the only people in the world. And I did, in fact, eat raw onions after that one time ever that I struck out in Little League. That's all. Bottom line, our memories get twisted by social pressure, language, and our shitty brains. And lots of us have very

similar brands of shitty Keith cried when he struck out in Little League. Everybody, that's what he's trying to tell you. You didn't even play Little League, but that whatever you did. No. Now it's time for some versions of the Mandela effect other than Mandela's fake death in the 80s. Just to underscore how stupid we are as human beings, I'll start with a bunch that don't even make sense for people to mention, yet they always include all these

enlists about the Mandela effect. But they're just popular misspellings. No idea why we're surprised these exist, but Mandela truthers are fascinated by this. And yes, there's an entire community of Mandela truthers who believe there's some kind of metaphysical explanation behind the whole thing. For example, lots of people remember a brand name peanut butter called jiffy. It's actually jiff. They probably conflated skippy and jiff. It's not so.

Okay, get ready for all those computer nerdy emails. Well, actually it's pronounced giffy guys. It's giffy. It is giff though. Okay, I know people are blown away gift. It is gift though. I know people are blown away when they realize shit like this. I have no idea why, but you also know that there's been at least one fight somewhere in Florida with some fucking shirtless guy with a tribal tattoo, furiously chest slapping

himself in a parking lot. It's fucking jiffy, bro. I'm happy. It's fucking jiffy. I'm a hundred% that happy. Absolutely something that's happened. Yeah. He died of COVID.

And here's a few other examples. Lots of people remember loony tunes being spelled T-O-O-N-S. It's always been T-U-N-E-S. And parents, Stain Bears has always been spelled S-T-A-I-N at the end. But a bunch of people are convinced there was. I guess an ethnically Jewish family of cartoon bears named the baron steens STN. And he's again no idea why anyone's confused by this mistake people can't spell we know that okay well the book the baron stain bears reberry their blood gold certainly.

book the baron stain bears reberry their blood gold certainly didn't help the dog. He's origin story with that bald guy is fucking awesome. Right. Thank you. I'm you're rated.

Last people also get it wrong with spelling febreze and Oscar Meyer and sketchers and Oscar Meyer has a song about how to spell Oscar Meyer. Yes. So there's a song up there's a truck on the side. There is, there is. That is not acceptable. Yep.

Also double stuff Oreos. Apparently there's only one F. I actually didn't know that. But occasionally the spelling actually does change. For example, cheese it's used to have a Z-end. And then it got officially changed to cheese it. No. With no Z. But lots of people don't remember the original spelling and then they go on Wikipedia and try to argue with your post and it gets really messy.

No, the company actually end up having to pretend they never had a Z- just make sure everyone is gonna mad and then Wikipedia because it's just plain too much. Did that really happen or did you just remember cheese? That's wrong. Perfect memory. Did that really happen or did you just remember cheese it's wrong perfect memory Okay, not pluralizing your cracker name though is fucking weird like hey man. You want some cheese it? No, what you want one cheese it you want one single one inch square cracker Is that what's gonna fucking hit the spot? Nobody wants a cheeset. A cheeset? Get out of here.

Yeah, give me an M2 and a Twick. Fuck off. One M. Yeah, so just a reminder though, and I think this is a good time to underscore it. Mandela effect is a term people had to make up so that I turned out to be fallible. Sounds like a problem, psychological condition. And that's the good version, right? Because we're going to get to the people who explain away their fallibility with the many worlds interpretation later. That's what's going to happen. Yep. There's another group of collective false memories where people just, they just

don't know how to read or look with their fucking minds. But not just misspelling, they're adding stuff that's not there. For example, tons of people are certain that curious George had a tale. He did not. People think Mona Lisa used to have a bigger smile at what she did not. Yeah, turns out the most valuable painting in the world did not get analog photo. And a famous painting of Henry the eighth did not have him eating a giant turkey leg. That's ridiculous. That is ridiculous. He's eating his wife's decapitated head like an apple. I love the Mona Lisa one though because the whole point is that she has this mysterious half smile. Yes, like look at that big fucking grin. You know someone got the deal. And of course there's a bigger people who say things like, you know, for all intensive

purposes and I could care less. So it's no surprise that the title of the seminal were about middle aged female sexuality and the fantastic adventures of Carrie Bradshaw in New York City is constantly getting butchered when people call it sex in the city. It's sex and the city. Read with your eyes. Someone want to break it to Keith that sex in the city is a wildly problematic show, about three unlikable idiots who talk like gay men and has little to do nothing to do with female

sexuality. Oh Eli, you're such a Miranda, of course you would say that. Typical. And it's four, right? such a Miranda, of course you would say that. That's typical. And it's four, right? I am just realizing that that shows very problematic after you said that. And it is four people.

He's going through a montage right now. I'm having a moment. We have a moment. We have a moment. Anyway, gonna have to revisit that. So just for the record, point being, it's also not quantum dark magic that caused people to miss the fact that the bottom half of C3PO's right leg is silver

instead of all gold. People just missed that because, you know, silver stuff looks kind of gold when it's next to gold sometimes. And VHS is shitty. Also, the original Kenner brand action figures from the 70s and the power of force ones from the 90s were both all gold Or were they What they were no, no, they were will find out I mean we just we know Already they For those who don't I guess we'll find out after a little appra pow up nothing No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Excuse me, is this the convention?

Yes, you're going to be in the Mandela room. It's right through those doors. Oh, that's nice. The Mandela room, like in memoriam. Excuse me? In memoriam of Nelson Mandela. No, not in memoriam. Mr. Mandela is alive.

No, no, he's not. He died in the 80s. Yes, I remember that too. No, okay, no. He. He died in the 80s. Yes, I remember that too. No, okay, no. He didn't die, so you're going to want to go through those. Wait, hold on a second, that's weird. Right. Very, very weird. Two people were wrong about the same thing.

No, that's not really weird. I feel like they could only be one explanation Alternate dimensions Alternate dimensions, yes, we must be in a dimension where he died, but we've collided with a dimension where he's still alive No, that's not what dimensions are, you see it's like we must that, it must be it We should write a book about it No, no, no, no, no, God, good Are you sure you're just not wrong?

Because people are wrong all the time, it's totally write a book. Are you sure you're just not wrong? Because people are wrong all the time. It's not really a big deal. It's okay to be mistaken. It's fine. Let's call the book the Mandela effect. I love it. I love it. OK.

Anyway, I love Nelson and Space Jack. Oh, me too. OK, that's not a that's racist And we're back when we last left off I thought I don't really remember to be honest Keith Where are we going next? Interesting no, it doesn't remember. So that brings us to the higher level examples of the Mandela effect. And this is where it gets interesting.

No, it doesn't. I'll pick up where we left off with Star Wars, the most overrated movie franchise of all time. Ooh. Contrary to everyone doing their best, very problematic James Earl Jones depression. Darth Vader never said Luke, I am your father. Yes.

No, I am your father. Now, obviously this can be explained by everyone in the world watching the movie Tommy Boy and hearing Chris Farley get it wrong while talking into the fan to get that Darth Vader voice. Fun fact, Tommy Boy is also the reason why many people mistakenly believe that David Spade was ever funny. So that is also the reason why many people mistakenly believe that David Spade was ever funny. So that is also true. You know, for the record, I would totally make a joke right now about how the thing that

you like is also overrated, but you're literally the only person who ever found Tommy Boy funny. It's hard to pull off. You rated any low. Damn, I'd say really nailed it. Actually, classic. It could be on the A.F. I was. And it turns be on the AF Island.

And it turns out better than it's said. Wait, wait a second. I want to see somebody breaking down the fact I know little coats. See, he has a little coat. It's the tree coat that makes it funny. Because he rips it, because he's overweight. Yeah, no, it's a little coat. And he's a fact guy. Whatever Chris Farley's

a treasure. And so, point is, lots of people get movie lines wrong or dimensional magic. For example, Forest Gump never said life is like a box of chocolates. He's talking about his mom and his mom always said life was like a box of chocolates. He's talking about his mom, and his mom always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. And the line doesn't even make sense. First of all, who the fuck buys chocolates without a flavor wrap? Right. Get a flavor map.

Get a chocolate map. That's important. Also, the verb tenses don't line up. But most importantly, what changed during her lifetime that allowed her to know what flavor of life chocolate she was going to get. But I angrily checked it and it's true. Life was like a box of chocolates is the line. That is a very fair mistake since no one with a functioning brain has ever managed to

sit through that fucking movie twice. So it's just. Yeah. Another misquote is from Snow White. With everyone remembering the wicked queen saying, mirror, mirror on the wall. Apparently she actually said magic mirror on the wall. And it ramps up from there. This next one made me furious. It's about the song We Are the Champions by Queen.

All the most overrated song in history. Okay. It is overrated. Turns out at the end of that song, it does not include the line, we are the champions of the world. And yes, the fuck it does. It absolutely does. But allegedly, I'm wrong.

I'm not ready to murder. But Mercury only added that during their live show at Wembley Stadium in 1986. It's not on the original album from 1977. But the Wembley Stadium version is what they use in the credits of the Mighty Ducks 2. So that's why pretty much the whole world is. Oh, yeah. That's true.

As of the whole world. Another fun fact, he thinks the Mighty Ducks 2 is a better movie than Empire Strikes Back. So you know know take his opinions However, you will based on this information just saying it nobody rates the the mighty ducks to very high Exactly once again a film that is rated exactly The thing is with the exception of Nelson Mandela what I've learned so far is that Collectively we improve things by remembering them wrong like I think with the exception of Nelson Mandela, what I've learned so far is that collectively, we improve things by remembering them wrong.

Like, we've got an improved queen song. We got more cheese-related crackers. We fit the line from a very stupid screenplay. It's collective delusion three reality one. I'm okay. Yeah, that is absolutely correct. So that being said, I was in a murderous rage after reading about We Are The Champions. But I checked the original.

I went back and I checked and of the world really isn't there. The song just ends on this giant awkward boy. It's crazy. Just like no time for losers because we are the champion Everybody's leaning forward in their chair My god leaning forward waiting for the song Yeah, and the song that's the end of the song. They might as well be like Elympses. It's nothing

I was like Roger Rabbit after shaving Erica. I can't feel when I listen to this Next up we have the final moments of the Tank Man in Tiananmen Square. So lots of people remember watching video of that guy getting run over by the tank. What? What? What? It's not how that ends. But in reality, he just got pulled away eventually.

I went back and I watched the video and that's what happens. It's pretty amazing though. The tank actually tries to juke the guy up. He was just hilarious. I don't know if you guys remember what I don't remember. The tank tries to juke him like maddened him. And it's the best,

because he just very easily stays in front of the tank. And then he climbs up on the roof to yell at the driver. But then the driver opens the hatch to yell back and tank man's like, sorry sorry sorry, just runs back down. And then they had a really long awkward standoff until some military officials pulled the guy out of the way. He did not get run over the table.

You know, them eventually running him over takes the piss out of the entire act of defiance. Why even slow down? That's the gays just throw them right over. This next one is perhaps even bigger than Tiananmen Square from a cultural standpoint. Of course I'm talking about the movie Shazam, sorry, I'm a legendary comedian, Sinbad.

Oh, Jesus, Gini, from a lamp. I am 100% certain I watch this movie. But apparently it does not exist. So it actually gets royalties from our collective message. Yeah, right. It's real. It's a real movie. But apparently no, no, there's a movie called Kazam with Shaquille O'Neill. But I remember that too. I've seen them both in theaters. I've definitely seen both of those in theaters. In fact, the day I saw Shazam, I got lost at the mall and a really nice old man. It's a big hit.

No, it's just the one with Shazam. Whatever. That one is actually real though, right? Shazam with Sinbad is real. Like that's a false one. Thank you. Yes, I'm pretty sure it is. So there's no one who's not.

It's not. That's what the essay is about. Or is it Noah? You chose the topic of this essay. This is very much part of the Mandela effect. It's the example. Simbad never happened. Okay.

I just will agree to disagree. Well, we won't. I don't need to agree with you. And about that. You just have one more big Mandela effect example that needs to be mentioned. In silence of the lambs, when Hannah B Ektr met Lerese Starling, apparently he never said hello, Lerese. And that's a fucking lie.

He definitely, definitely said that. But according to the Rothschild family and their blood pressure, he rigged the entire internet, he just said good morning there and never said hello, Lerese. So why, though? Dude, that one has to be the last to introduce and read the entire internet. You just said good morning there and never said hello to Reese. So why though? Dude, that one has to be wrong. The internet. Thank you.

Seriously? No, I didn't say that. Seriously, I know I can't be true. It's not. Hey podcast listener, what followed is a very, let's say intense discussion of whether or not this was real, which ended in all of us meeting at a neutral site,

equidistant from all our houses for a watching of the movie. An agreement was made to revisit a new copy of the film on a quarterly basis just to be sure, and a treaty was signed by all parties prohibiting any acts of retribution by those who were proven wrong. I'm just saying how is vengeance retribution? I said we are done

discussing. It's fine. Respect the treaty. Respect the treaty. Sorry. Thank you. And that brings us to the pin from the very beginning. There's a giant community of Mandela effect zealots who are convinced. No, no, no, no, that can't be true. All these collective false memories are clear evidence that we've collided with a parallel universe. Oh, performance. Maybe a bunch of parallel universes. So in terms of Shazam, they're pretty sure

that a god is running a bunch of simulations and decided to create the universe we know that we're in right now and then decided to isolate the variable of sin bad versus chakelo deal. You can do it. You can share versus a cat. And you could a b test with sin bad and chakiel in the entire

multiverse and that movie would still be on watchable man. Better than for us. This is my favorite part of the whole story. The Mandela Effect Truthers have an annual conference and lower level conferences. They have a conference circuit. What? One of the biggest events is the International Mandela Effect Conference, or IMAG. And we must attend this fucking thing with Marsh.

We have to do that. It's amazing. According to their website, quote, we come together from many walks of life with a mutual passion to share positive, transformative information about the Mandela Effect. We are artists, authors, and visionaries dedicated to validating people's experiences with

the Mandela Effect. At this time of humanity's potential great awakening, the International Mandela Effect Conference, unite in mission to inspire, empower, and unify all various observers. Through the evidence presented as the Mandela or quantum effect. We bring into this phenomenon's own alignment truths, which have proven themselves timeless in all religions, spiritual practices, and scientific findings. Together, we go together, we grow. I gotta say, I'm with you, Heath.

We should all go to this with Michael Marshall, but we all have to register as the brothers baronstein. Yeah. Yeah. So wait, wait. So this is a support group for people who can't admit their own despite overwhelming evidence. That's correct. How is it different from CPAC?

You can bring a gun to this one. Just in case you're wondering about the credentials of the IMEC organizers, don't worry, they're for real. First up, we have Cynthia Sue Larson of RealityShifters.com. Where you can learn all about the new science of instantaneous transformation and quantum jumps. I like just bibs. Robinson. This is great. Shane Robinson of UOTF.net Which stands for unbiased on the fence. What? Just a record. What? I checked the dot com is available. He chose the dot net.

Beautiful. Oh, not for long, it's not. You also have Jerry Hicks, the dark wolf. That's all it says. That's his resume. That's his resume, dark wolfing. And finally, Christopher Anatra, the quantum business man. What is his title? Okay, that could be accurate though, Christopher Anatra, the quantum businessman.

What is his title? Okay, that could be accurate though, because he both is and is not a businessman, and if anyone looks into it, he'll probably die. Yeah, it certainly collapse anyway. Yeah. Like a poison by a cat or something. Yeah.

The only thing I learned from that last paragraph, he says that my online presence is far more bland and prosaic, and it needs to be changing everything right now. So is dark wolf dot net taken? I'm taking dark wolf dot, I feel like you should be light wolf and then you could fight Jerry. Oh, yes.

Yes. So here's the prevailing theory I found when I checked out the Mandela Effect truth or community. They started by collecting all the stupid misspelling stuff we talked about already and that was convincing enough to create a conference circuit but they needed a bit more evidence you know to be thorough and good skeptics and that evidence came in 2016 mostly in the world of sports. So in 2016, Lester City won the English Premier League, the Cleveland Cavaliers won the NBA championship,

the Western Bulldogs won the Australian Football League, the Cronola, Sutherland Sharks won the Australian National Rugby League, Chicago Cubs won the World Series for the first time since 1908, the UK voted for Brexit and Donald Trump got elected president of the United States. Therefore, we clearly smashed into another year. Oh, yeah, no. You're probably thinking of yourself, okay, the multiverse quantum leap thing does explain

it, but why did we collide with a parallel universe? Yeah, that's the question I had. Yeah, that's the main focus of the Mandela Effect Conference Circuit. And here's their answer. It was those particle physics nerds in Switzerland with a large, natural, I am so angry right now. If a particle that's, you know, 43, when, tillillion times smaller than a grain of sand bumps into another one.

Yes, we learn a bunch of signs, but it also creates a rift in the space time continuum, which in turn leads to minor spelling changes. So three different song lyrics and movie lines that sports aren't perfectly predictable anymore like the normal people die early and we get shazam with sinned that just because of the Hadron collider. Yeah, and there were different here. Like, different just different than what they expected.

Like, they have a whole convention and belief system based on man, I thought things would have turned out differently. This is the GOP again. Yeah. Yeah. He's the same thing. All right. So if you had to summarize what you learned in one sentence, what would it be? Okay. Cannibal Lecter definitely said hello, Clarice. There's a treaty. I will say this, the secret to the universe cannot involve Sinbad and Donald Trump. I did not accept that. No, that is correct. Although as Cecil's pointing out, I feel like we're ignoring the treaty of King Sport. Pretty early. Anyway, don't we get any deeper into that? Are you ready for the quiz?

I'm ready. All right, Heath, you mentioned briefly that the father of psychotherapy is wrong about everything. What convinced you of this? A, the 25 year old you dated. That was in my 20s. The 24 year old you dated. That would, you introduced me to her. That's your friend.

You specifically, the essay you wrote for this podcast about how the length of your penis is average For D the fact that you're unmarried and single at the age of 40 Pass Pass. Stupid, stupid, stupid. That didn't make sense. The premise of the question is dumb. True correct answer is pass. All the things that are so much this quality information through a ton of answers. The question's unanswerable.

Pass. It's so me. The fucking meanest thing, dude. Holy shit. Wow. Okay. Wow, all right. Well, what I learned from this essay is that people are primed

to believe things that aren't true if they are repeated often enough or if other people around them also believe the same untrue things. This seems like a really dangerous error in human programming. Who is responsible? A, Chad and Stacey. B, at least 43 senators are still on the floor. Okay, I'm going to stop you. It's B. See, I don't know, but masks certainly won't help.

Or D, probably crisis actors. Oh, no, it's all in the above. Damn it. All right. What's the best show about the Mandela effect, Heath? A, Nell Sons of Anarchy. The Mandelaorian or C. The Mandelaorian.

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He's so good. He's so good. He's so good. He's so good. He's so good. He's so good. He's so good. The departing. He's so good. He's so good. that I want to choose Tom, how's that? All right, well for Cecil, Tom, Eli and Keith, I have no idea what you're hanging out with today. Great assa, Keith.

Great assa, Keith. And by then, Tom just gonna be an expert on something else. Between now and then you can hear Tom and Cecil do a bunch of Keith and stuff over on cognitive distance. And it would do wonders for Eli's mental health if you would check out Skating Aids, not only was the skeptic at D&D Minus. Also, if you'd like to help buy enough skits for all of his Cecil source,

you can make a per episode donation at patreon.com slash citation pod or leave a five star review everywhere you can. And if you'd like to get in touch with us, check out past episodes, connect with us on social media or check the show notes, be sure to check out citation pod.com. So it shouldn't be naked, folks. Donate now. Hi, mom. Yeah. Yeah, would you mind getting on the phone with Cecil for a second and telling him my name is Heath and not Keith.

I have dinner plans, man. No, I know I know my name isn't actually Heath. I mean, my pseudonym telling that. Seriously, no, no, it's Heath. Heath and right, he's in right. It's wordplay, mom. It's not the word play. But it's he. I'm gonna go.'s in right, it's wordplay, mom. It's not that wordplay. But it's he.

I'm gonna go. I'm just gonna go. I'm gonna go. Mom, I don't need you to get it. I just need you to. You hung up. See, so, see, so he's gone too. Okay, okay.

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