Citation Needed - Tulsa Race Riot

Episode Date: June 20, 2018

The Tulsa race riot, sometimes referred to as the Tulsa massacre,[2][3][4][5] Tulsa pogrom,[6][7][8] or Tulsa race riot of 1921, took place between May 31 and June 1, 1921, when a white mob attac...ked residents and businesses of the African-American community of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] This is considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in the history of the United States.[9] The attack, carried out on the ground and by air, destroyed more than 35 blocks of the district, at the time the wealthiest black community in the U.S.   Our theme song was written and performed by Anna Bosnick. If you’d like to support the show on a per episode basis, you can find our Patreon page here.  Be sure to check our website for more details.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Yeah, we are almost sold out for the platinum night. Any idea what topic we should do? Maybe something that's controversial that would have been shine away from or something, I don't know. It's not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. Mother fucker. I don't care how many alerts you set on your phone, you can't prepare for gunshots.
Starting point is 00:00:20 Yeah, well welcome to Chicago though. I mean, Eli, what the fuck is going on, man? Oh, hey, no, Tom, time out. Out, Tom, I said time out. Oh, sorry, my bad, my bad. Yeah, yeah. Hey guys, so this week is the Tulsa race riot. So I thought, you know, we can all get into the speed. Eli, Eli, what does the laminated sign on the wall say? Which sign on the wall, which one are you discussing it, man? You know which one.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Oh, oh, that one. It's the, it says, it says number one, no black face. Any, any reason why you are skipping the number one rule, even though Cecil made such a nice sign? I laminated it and everything. I was a totally laminated. Well, because it's a race riot and one of us had to be black, otherwise it's being inconsistent.
Starting point is 00:01:08 And then Tom, Tom, what is number two, say? It says, it says no guns. What up? Right, but honestly, I think the topic is breaking the rules. Not us. Right, I am there. Right there. And what does number three say?
Starting point is 00:01:25 It says no race wars, but I thought that rule was only for he. Guys, guys, I tied up the delivery guy, but he is not happy. It is. Ow, bit me. Hello and welcome to CitationNeeded, the podcast where we choose a subject, read a single article about it on Wikipedia and pretend we're experts because this is the internet, and that's how it works now I'm no illusions and I'll be running this lab to see if that tumor's been nine But I can't do it alone first up a guy who can't grab an early Meyer flask without breaking it
Starting point is 00:02:13 And a guy who won't touch anything because of ike germs Tom and Ila Oh, right that that is not even true and I don't know why everyone keeps talking like I have a very gentle touch And these quiet sleepy rabbits can attest to it. I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say, nice pile of them. And they know what that germs have no money and are therefore poor and are therefore gross.
Starting point is 00:02:35 It's pretty easy. It's pretty easy. We need a German money. No, I get it. It's consistent. It's consistent. I had also joining us tonight. Another guy who has to wear his hair and a bun with a pencil through it to keep it out of the bunsen burner.
Starting point is 00:02:48 C-Sol. It's a chopstick Noah. I ate an entire Chinese person for lunch. Call back to this guy. Just hand those out. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Speaking of which, Heath is out this week with a bad bite from a delivery guy. Patrons, you guys are awesome. We just want you to know that this show is possible due to your generosity. And if you'd like to be a generous, wonderful person who helps make this show happen, be sure to stick around to the end of the show, and we'll tell you how. And with that out of the way Eli tell us what person plays, think concept phenomenon or event. We'll be talking about today. Today, we'll be talking about the Tulsa race riot. But please note that you can also get this page on Wikipedia by typing in Tulsa Massacre or just America hates black people how much.
Starting point is 00:03:29 It works every year. All right. So Cecil, you found this article and are you ready to tell the audience about the biggest travesty they probably never heard about? I am. And I have to admit that I had no idea that this event even happened as little as a few weeks ago. I saw a Facebook post that mentioned it and I looked into it and I have to admit that I had no idea that this event even happened as little as a few weeks ago. I saw a Facebook post that mentioned it and I looked into it and I could not believe that this is the first time I'd actually heard about it. Yeah, no, I too was surprised that you'd never heard about it. Well, I can't think of a more sensitive, thoughtful, and diverse group of people to tackle this story guys.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Here we go. I'm just going through and she's going like, I'm going to make this story guys. Here we go. I'm just going to like, I'm going to make jokes about this. That's great. Thank God the racist has the weak on them. Finally, right? So in order to tell you about the riot slash massacre itself, I have to set the stage. I want to also was like at the time, Oklahoma became a state in 1907. And shortly after its inception, they passed segregation and voting laws to disenfranchise the blacks. Right. Right. Because they had to make sure right away that something was worse than being a white person in Oklahoma. I get it.
Starting point is 00:04:33 It's fair. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey, white people have it the worst. It's hard sometimes to remember that, but now we have a whole administration to remind you. So that's, that's going to do governmental agency. Oklahoma also had a lot of lynchings in the 17 years between Oklahoma becoming a state and this race riot. There were 31 people lynched and 26 of those people were black. They also had an ordinance that quote, mandated residential segregation by forbidding blacks or whites from residing on any block where
Starting point is 00:05:05 three forts or more of the residents were of the other race. And sorry, little thing, the other five lynchings were what? People who chewed with their mouth open history. We're 26 people. That's fair. That's just justice Eli. A little PSA guy from from us. You like if you're over the age of 13 and you can't figure out how to chew with your fucking mouth closed, you deserve what's coming to you. That's on you.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Amen. That's official canon now. That's what we think as a show. So there are a lot of people returning from World War One and the jobs were scarce and the competition high. There were actually riots all over the country in what eventually would be called the red summer. Blacks thought they deserved full citizenship for fighting in World War One and there were riots.
Starting point is 00:05:59 Quote, most often let against blacks by ethnic whites among recent immigrant groups who competed with blacks for jobs. Oh, yeah, I'm here for the job. You're black. Well, yeah, but I mean, look at my resume. I bet that guy is white. I don't know. I'll give you that, but I mean, like, he's also paralyzed from the neck down and in a persistent
Starting point is 00:06:20 vegetative state. Well, right, but a white persistent vegetative state. I hate Oklahoma. Everybody hates it. She'd be on the license plate. Oh, a white persistent vegetative state. Oklahoma. So on May 31, 1921, in the midst of all this racial tension, a guy named Dick
Starting point is 00:06:46 Roland, who was a black 19 year old shoe shiner, went into the Drexel building and used the elevator. I know, guys, Tulsa had a place with the elevator. Okay. I know showstopper. The elevator's back then were the old, timey human operator ones where there's a person who sat inside. Well, someone on the first floor, who's just sit on the first floor, heard us woman scream
Starting point is 00:07:08 and then they watched a black guy run out and a woman was the operator of the elevator. Okay, all right, but to be fair, if he wasn't guilty, then why was he black? Oh, she's just, it's a best year. Now no one knows what happened. There are three theories. It was a lover's quarrel, which is not something that either party would admit to in that racial climate. He might have tripped and grabbed on her by accident, or he might have grobbed or assaulted her. And now everyone that knew Dick was totally sure that he wouldn't be up for that. I mean, or she just screamed because there was a black guy.
Starting point is 00:07:45 I've been to Oklahoma. I know how that state works, right? You see how much better things have gotten black people. Now when you grow up, someone in an elevator, you get to be the head of Def Jam production. See, is that way? I just want to say, like, I can't believe I missed the dick who wasn't up for that joke.
Starting point is 00:08:03 That's just like low hanging through at the end of your line there right there. I was right there for a, but nobody took it. Nobody took that dick that was just hanging right there. We're moving on. There's a big black dick. That's just waiting. Cecil's right there. There was a BBC waiting for you. So there was a report made, but the women didn't press charges. Dick Rowland decided to head home to his mother's house in the black neighborhood of Greenwood. This area, it's also was actually pretty prosperous
Starting point is 00:08:29 and a lot of black business owners and professionals like doctors and lawyers had shops here. It was actually called the black Wall Street. All right, now there's a joke here about the size of black Wall Street, but that's, yeah. That's low hanging fruit, like lower than white Wall Street for sure, for few inches. Especially if it's a hot day. That's a little bit. What than white wall streets for sure.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Especially if it's a hot day. What you need is a fearless girl. The next day, the police grabbed Dick off the street. Me too. They said to Detective Henry Carmichael and one of the forces to black police officers, Henry Pack, to Greenwood area and pick up Dick Rowland. They take him to the police headquarters. Okay, so making it to headquarters, Pushtosa had a modern day Ferguson and Baltimore. Oh, that's true.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Oh, that's not inaccurate. Oh, my God. Nation, that is you not healing. Now, it's unclear how everything escalated from this point. But if your first guess is, uh, is big a tree, then, uh, let me stop you right there and congratulate you on scoring 100 points on this quiz. There was a call to the police station at this point, uh, threatening Roland's life. And there was two headlines put out that day from a white sensationalist
Starting point is 00:09:44 newspaper, one red quote, nabneygrove for attacking girl in an elevator and quote, and the other red quote, two lynch negro tonight. And quote, Jesus. Oh, Rupert Murdoch's first headline guys. It's a total. Hold on a minute. See, so they took out a lynching ad in the news page. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:05 That's a, the misconnection section was fucking weird. I just love it. Like after they said, Nav Negro for a techno, that's two subtle guys. Just live Negro. What are we doing? We never get the other paper. Yeah, get the evening edition. They should have got like a radio ad with a guy's like Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.
Starting point is 00:10:27 So at 3 p.m. the lynching edition of this paper is the street. And by about sunset, which was around 730, there are several hundred white people outside the place where Dick Roland is being held. Sheriff McCullod decides to fortify the courthouse where Roland is by disabling the elevator, by putting shooters on the roof, placing armed people outside the room. He is in and in the stairwells. Goes out and he tries to quiet the crowd,
Starting point is 00:10:56 but to no avail, he was shouted down. At a little after eight, three guys walk in and they demand that they turn over roll into the crowd. They don't list why they wanted them, but it's safe to say they probably didn't want them to, to just like inflict aggressive tickles or something. It's an assumption. The sheriff basically told them no. It is walking, but we filed the paperwork. I keep telling you there's no paperwork. You can file to Lynch a guy. No, no, no, look at this.
Starting point is 00:11:25 You're a newspaper, right? Oh, yeah. What's the say? I was hoping you'd read it and just, you know, like, like, let's just kill a guy. Yes, that is what I was hoping would happen. Well, I keep telling you that ain't how it works here in Oklahoma. Now I miss out on a band, but never should have moved.
Starting point is 00:11:44 At one point, the folks in the black neighborhood of Greenwood decided to grab guns and head to the sheriff's office to help with the barricade. These are World War I vets, and they're concerned because recently the previous sheriff had let a white guy accuse a murder get lynched by a mob. So when they arrive, the sheriff assured them that they'd be, that there'd be no lynching any sent them away. Yeah. I've seen you think I got it. No, see it's under control. I, is it those pitch forks are in case they have to pile up a lot of hay? Well, I said it on fire with those torches. Well, the white lynching was just an affirmative action thing. That's right. They had to be a quota. It's fine. It got to be a fair.
Starting point is 00:12:23 It's a token lynching. Now the group of white folks that were gathered at the courthouse, they see a group of armed black folks walk up. Naturally, they do the only rational thing and one of them get their guns, but 300, 400 of them decide to go to the local National Guard Armory to take guns. The mob shows up there, tries to rip the grating off a window to get inside of the armory and they're met by armed National Guardsmen and Major James Bell, who convinces them otherwise. He had, I guess, read the newspaper and station guards around the armory. Bell says, you can have the guns, but I get to provide the bullets at 2,500 feet per second.
Starting point is 00:13:08 You know, there was one guy who didn't get the inference and was like, I feel like that's too fast. Okay, I'm going. There's another guy just running around trying to pick up the sped bullets like nerf darts like. Hang on, I Hang on. So cut back to the courthouse. And the mob is up to 2,000 people at this point. Oh, wow. Several people, including a Reverend and the Chief of Police try to talk the mob into going home, doesn't work. And the black folks are getting more and more nervous.
Starting point is 00:13:39 I wonder why? Weird. Yeah. And sending small groups of armed black people to check to see if they got in the courthouse and the mob interprets it as quote a Negro uprising and quote they start firing their guns in the air because that's the best way to deescalate the situation. Or one of them just grossly missing a turpeted uprising. I knew they were up to the race of Stadjoke.
Starting point is 00:14:06 There we go. Now, the moon mill is in full spin in Greenwood and 75 armed black men had back to the courthouse. They again offered a help protect dick Roland. So one up and white guy from the mob goes up to the men and he demands the pistol they have. The black guy refuses and a shot's fired, not sure what side fired the shot or if it was accidental, but that basically triggered the riot.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Later, historians would examine archival footage and discover that the first shot was actually a black guy eating a skiddle. So there's a gun battle right there. Oh, by the way, I just want to roll back here real quick. That's the last we're going to hear a dick rolling. Dick rolling rides this entire thing out on the top of the police. Totally. I mean, but we never hear anything about him. You know, later on, he'll be acquitted, but we never hear anything. He's the entire right. I wondered about that. Like he's gets it., but we never hear anything. He's the entire right. I'm not about that. Like he's gets it. That's the end of it.
Starting point is 00:15:07 That's the end of his story. How do you think that guy feels when it's all like, I'm real sorry guys. I just I tripped in the elevator. Oh boy. Okay. I'm taking the stairs next time. All right. Or does he just go home and tell us like four remaining family members?
Starting point is 00:15:21 No, no, I'm fine. It's okay. You know, every time they got in an elevator, we'd dick from now on. Everyone was like, Hey, dick, okay? You got it? You got your sperm footing, buddy, because I would love for all of us not to die.
Starting point is 00:15:34 So like you got it, right? Three, two, one, and we're in the elevator. There we go. So there is a gun battle after this shots fired. The first dad are 10 white guys and two black guys. The black group starts to retreat towards Greenwood and the white group pursues them. On the way, of course, they shoot every black person
Starting point is 00:15:55 they come across and loot stores with weapons. They come across a group of people that had just come out of a movie and fire on all the black people in the crowd. But in the confusing one white person is killed by the white mob. So oopsie. Wow, just we're down eight and we score an own goal.
Starting point is 00:16:15 This is why our race shouldn't be allowed to sport. Because we end up shooting black people. I like that they stopped to loot like the blacks are right. We got to stop them right after I helped myself to wait, what the fuck is there to loot in 1920? I just fuck it. What are you taking? What are you like mobs? Like, what is there to have fun with the 1920 pitch forks? Yeah. I want to quote Wikipedia here. I don't have much to add to this part. Quote, many prominent white Tulsons also participated in the riot, including Tulsa founder and KKK member W. Tate Brady, who participated
Starting point is 00:16:54 in the riot as a night watchman. I don't know. They assigned roles in the riot. I want to say jerseys like I don't know. He reported seeing quote, five dead Negroes and quote, including one man who was dragged behind a car by a noose around his neck. And okay. So that's terrible. And it was 100 years ago. And I can understand why that's upsetting.
Starting point is 00:17:18 But, but I hear that college kids have been like yelling at people, guys. Yeah. Oh, yelling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I actually got to say like I can't even imagine how a town founded by a KKK member could have turned out differently.
Starting point is 00:17:33 What was the alternative timeline? I guess, right? I guess. The National Guard and other forces start to gather around Greenwood. Now it's said that they're there to try to subdue the rioters, but they're really just set, they really just set up to protect the white neighborhoods around Greenwood. They're also capturing and detaining black people at a convention hall at this point.
Starting point is 00:17:56 They're just like a bunch of black guys, like sweaty and covered in blood, like standing around the bar in the convention center trying to look casual, chatting with like bewildered insurance sales man, definitely not hitting on white women. Definitely not hitting on white women. You got no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 00:18:18 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Stairs are not the boss. All right, so now that this is getting good and by good, I mean horrible to the point that it stains our nation to the fifth generation We're gonna pause for a quick break here. Aren't we? Yeah, I have to splice in a commercial for a live show So I'll have to stop for a break because we need to tell people about the platinum night on Friday, August 10th And that we're doing the Jean-Banay Ramsey episode as the subject wait no wait. What what what did you say? Let's do the apropos of nothing, think. Don't worry, you're pretty little head about it, Cecil.
Starting point is 00:18:47 No, wait, wait, wait, what did you say? Do not cut to the note, no music, do not cut. POP! POP! POP! POP! Hey podcast listener. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. So, I got really high last night night and I told Eli that during our, uh, Tom, Tom, Tom, where are my charts?
Starting point is 00:19:11 Eli, I am on the toilet. Where are my charts, Tomulton? I got really high. I told Eli that he could do the Jean-Beney Ramsey episode for platinum night. Noah, Noah, have you seen my tiara? Check your tiara drawer, Eli. So if you haven't already, get tickets for platinum night because we will never, ever record this episode and we might, we might make you sign something promising to never
Starting point is 00:19:38 tell anyone about it. Is this really all the fake blood we have? Eli, that is, I fake, it's... That's for my arteries! Well, then we need more! Tickets in the show notes. Please don't... Tell anyone. Stop struggling.
Starting point is 00:19:52 [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ And we're back, and now that we've pretty much figured out our differences on the planet tonight, I guess we're ready to get back to the Tulsa Raya story. We are not ready. Nosa riots. We are not ready. No, wait, we are not just fight about this. So let's get back to the story. We are not doing that. You agree to disagree and that we are and that's what we are not are going to do.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Guys, guys, can we please get back to the story? Yeah, racism. Let's talk about it. I will begrudgingly table this and continue because I'm a fucking professional. I'm going to get a melon. Throughout the night and into the next day, there's basically a gun battle. And the front lines are a chain tracks that separate the white and black neighborhoods. Of course.
Starting point is 00:20:38 The white group starts throwing burning oily rags into the black owned buildings and starting fires. Then they turned away the fire department trying to put these fires out and they turn away at gunpoint. Okay. No, no, no, I'm very confused right now. Is this, can somebody help? Is this the most or the second most racist use of firehose? How are we scoring this?
Starting point is 00:20:59 Is that number of tears? I don't know. Is it when you use it, but you're not supposed to or when you're supposed to and you don't? I don't know. So one group of black folks decides to stay and fight and the others decide to leave on mass. At sunrise, there is either a train whistle or a siren that goes off. And I guess the assembled white mob decided it was their makeshift bugle charge and they storm the neighborhood. One white guy gets immediately killed as he, as he heads in by a sniper. Another car full of guys drives in and gets killed within a block. There's just too many white folks and they're basically killing and shooting anything black
Starting point is 00:21:38 at this point. On occasion, I guess they're rounding them up for detention and they're also looting too. Of course. Yeah, no back then it was're also looting too. Of course. Yeah. No back then it was still called looting even if white people did it. I want to point out, we're coming up with all kinds of great Oklahoma slogan. The too many white folks one would work too. The real tragedy here is that siren is just someone playing the opening theme from the
Starting point is 00:22:00 Flintstone to the volume too high. This isn't even happening. I felt like such an asshole afterwards. Turn it down. You'll have a gay old time. Now the wiki says that several planes were used to shoot at and drop fire bombs on the neighborhood. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:22:21 What? These planes were left over trainers from World War One. I'm going to go back to what the fuck? What forcements said that they were using planes for reconnaissance and to stop a quote Negro uprising. I dropped in fire bombs on it. Shut up, Larry. reconnaissance. Wait, see, so hold on. What the fuck? World War One, did they just let them keep their
Starting point is 00:22:44 planes as souvenirs after the war? It's a big giant keychain on the internet. Oh, the war's over. Your prize is this airplane. What the fuck? So while all of this is going on, the white uprising is now spreading on the Greenwood neighborhood.
Starting point is 00:23:05 They're traveling to people's houses and businesses that employ blacks and demanding that they're turned over to go to detention centers. And most of these people just complied. Bring out your dead. We don't have any bomb. Let's try it again. Bring out your dead. Thousands of black people at this point are just fleeing this city for
Starting point is 00:23:26 safety. The National Guard comes in on a train at 915 a.m. on the June 1st. Here comes the Calvary, right? The commanding officer couldn't act right away until he had proper authorization of local officials. So he decided to start the day with a bounce breakfast. Nice. Good call. After dabbing a napkin carefully on each side of his face, he declared martial law at 1149 AM. Well, you don't want to rush these things. Yeah. No. Okay, but let's be fair, guys. This is the National Guard. All right. I'm not sure we should expect more out of these guys. That is National Guard. We'll come near town and eat breakfast. That is exclusively for people who were convinced to join the military by the movies. Yeah, right. This is not the actual army.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Right. We all know this. So there's a list of bullet points that is in the wiki page. And this is as they appeared in a letter that was sent about the riot and what the national guard took part in. Quote, taking about 30 to 40 African Americans into custody. Baltimore PD is going, putting a machine gun on a truck and taking it on patrol. Okay. Otherwise, why put it on the truck if you're not taking it on patrol.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Be it fired on from Negro snipers from the quote, church and quote, and returning fire. What? Being fired on by white man. Yeah, notice that one doesn't have returning fire. I feel like those last two could just be combined as one fired on bullet. Yeah, okay. Well, no, this segregation was real. Yeah, when the white guy shoot it on there like, oh, you scams.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Bam, bam. Was that a white bullet? Was that a black bullet? Fuck, can someone see if the color of that bullet turning the prisoners over to deputies to take them to police headquarters, being fired upon again by Negroes and having two non-commissioned officers slightly wounded, searching for Negroes and firearms, detailing a non-commission officer to take 170 Negroes to civil authorities and delivering an additional 150 Negroes to the convention hall.
Starting point is 00:25:34 Okay, I just want to say this might be the most appropriate use of the word bullet points ever. Just like I saw on this one. And I would just like to add end quote, the whole thing with all the work Negro in it 44 times. That was not Cecil Schuss in his own words there. That was a quote of that. So how many people ultimately died in this thing? So the casualty numbers are all over the fucking place. Here's several sources and their estimates. The Tulsa Tribune originally reported nine white and six black people died.
Starting point is 00:26:07 They changed that to a total of 176 dead and then they changed to the next day to nine white, 21 black people dead. The New York Times said that 77 people were killed, 68 were black. And then they changed that number to 33 total dead. Richmond Times Dispatch reported 25 white and 65 black people killed. And they also reported that the police chief said it was 75 people total. We're not a governor. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:26:35 And a lower place, and a lower police official said that it was 175. The Red Cross estimated that was 300. Really we have no clue what that number was. All right. Yeah, but to be fair, the math was hard because they kept having to multiply everything by three fifths and it's just a whole. Yeah, well, back then, all they did was just cancel out the fractions. Puerto Rico was really hoping newspapers hadn't gotten any better since 19 20.
Starting point is 00:27:03 40 people died, 40 people died. 20 people died. Who knows? All right. Sue us. Most of the people who went to a hospital, about 800, were white because the black hospital was burned down. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Over 6,000 black people were arrested and detained. The wiki says, quote, several blacks were known to have died while in the internment centers. While most of the deaths were said to have been Accurately recorded no records have been found as to how many detainees were treated for injuries and survived These numbers could reasonably have been more than a thousand perhaps several thousand and quote I mean this was before drug laws like how else are you gonna throw innocent black people in jail? Am I right? I just want to say like, I just learned that there used to be black hospitals. I guess which we still have, but much less official right now.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Right. Yes. It's true. You know, I mentioned earlier, the black hospital was burned down, but that was only one of a hundred and ninety one businesses that were burned down in the riot. They also burned down twelve hundred and fifty six houses, two hundred and fifteen houses made it out lucky and they were only looted. That's nice. Total property losses were about thirty one million in today's money. Jesus. I feel like you could nuke Tulsa tomorrow and not do thirty one million dollars in damage, right? Just falls into a strip mine. It's like, nuke Tulsa tomorrow and not do 31 million dollars a day. Right?
Starting point is 00:28:26 Just falls into a strip mine. It's like, no, that's about something. Yeah, that's about something. So guy just reaches into his pocket and opens his wallet. He's like, can you, can you make change? So the Red Cross said that about 10,000 people were without homes and displaced. All right. Yeah. Still being homeless might give those people were without homes and displaced. All right.
Starting point is 00:28:45 Yeah. Still being homeless might give those people a chance to leave Oklahoma. So this isn't all bad. There's an upside here. The governor ordered an inquiry and an all white jury basically blamed the black community for starting a riot, of course. They said that the police failed to prevent the riot. And in the end, no one was ever convicted of any murders, the property damage or the injuries.
Starting point is 00:29:05 All right, yeah, to be fair, though, one of those guys was selling cigarettes without a license. You know, there's blame on both sides. Right, exactly. I hope that guy, yeah. A former mayor and current judge said at a meeting of a thousand businessmen in Tulsa after this happened, quote, Tulsa can only redeem herself from the country wide shame and humiliation into which she is today plunged by complete restitution and rehabilitation of the destroyed black belt. The rest of the United States must know that the real citizenship of Tulsa weeps at this
Starting point is 00:29:37 unspeakable crime and we will make good the damage so far as it can be done to the last penny." End quote. The next line of the wiki says that many blacks spent that winner in tents and they never raised money to help the black community. Huh. Okay. But who paid for the 10th? Famer reeducation cams. I'm telling you guys, no one's listening.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Famer reeducation cams. So the next year that same judge comes out and he says, okay, shot a little too high last time. I didn't die. How about we just at least stop fist pumping about this? Is that right? So this entire event was never really talked about until today. We're breaking news. They didn't mention it in the papers in this day in history sections. And the first academic account is 25 years later and didn't get any attention because it's a master thesis and who the whole read says, oh no, this didn't make it to the lynchie times or whatever the fuck they were publishing back then. The no news is fake news just saying in 1996, they started a commission to investigate the riot around
Starting point is 00:30:46 its 75th anniversary. The commission suggested the following to make amends. One, direct payment of reparations to survivors of the 1921 Tulsa race riot. Two, direct payment of reparations to descendants of the survivors of the Tulsa race riot. Three, a scholarship fund available to students affected by the Tulsa race riot, four, establishment of an economic development enterprise zone in the historic area, the Greenwood district, and five, a memorial for the rebarial of the remains of the victims of the Tulsa race riot. Is it commissioned to investigate on the 75th day? I'm just glad they acted swiftly and decisively.
Starting point is 00:31:23 Yeah. Three quarters of a century later. The state voted on it in the legislature and they agreed to the following more than 300 college scholarships for descendants of green residents, the creation of a memorial to those who died in the riot. A park with statues was dedicated as John Hope Franklin reconciliationconciliation Park on October 27th, 2010, named in honor of the of the notable African American historian from Tulsa and economic development in Greenwood. So I guess when when I don't, I mean, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Well, I mean, it's hard. See, so you can't turn every city that massacred thousands of people into color, into reputation centers, because then all of America would be a giant. I never mind. I take it. I know. Episode is over. All right, Cecil. So if you had to summarize what you've learned in one sentence, what would it be?
Starting point is 00:32:14 I should have listened in history class. Oh, my kid. They never mentioned this in history class. No, they don't. No, not at all. All right. Are you ready to face a few, a lot of fake questions from our fake experts? I couldn't be more ready, Noah. All right. Are you ready to face a fuselot of fake questions from our fake ex-packs? I couldn't be more ready Noah. All right Cecil. Well today was a depressing as fuck episodes. Let's shine some light on the subject
Starting point is 00:32:34 Why should people come listen to me do the Jean-Bene Ramsey episode at Platinum Night for the Chicago live shot? Is it a Cecil got out voted while Heath was out of town? B. I have props and melon-based reenactments plan. Of course you do. Jesus Christ. Hmm, there are only a few tickets left for Platinum Night, so don't miss it. Or D, based on the script that I've written so far, not only will we never record this episode, but we may have to kill everyone that attends to keep our terrible, terrible
Starting point is 00:33:03 secrets. I'm going to go with the theme of tonight and go with D. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, buy those tickets at your own risk, I guess. All right, I got one for you. This riot probably explains the lack of African-American tourism in the Tulsa area, but that's not an intractable
Starting point is 00:33:25 problem. So which of the following slogans will Tulsa soon unveiled to recapture those lost towards the top of the good. Hey, Tulsa, some of our best friends are black. Yes. B, what happens in Tulsa stays in Tulsa because there's nobody there to witness it. So it's like, seriously, the streets, at least you know, Oklahoma City just bear it just anyway.
Starting point is 00:33:49 Okay. So see Tulsa, Oklahoma has moved on to hating gay people now. Come on. Or D, this is my favorite Tulsa, closer to not in Oklahoma anymore than Oklahoma City. Oh, that's our good one. Definitely see it is. And it's our home of all of you.
Starting point is 00:34:11 They call it. Yeah. All right. Cecil Oklahoma is, I think we can all agree a mistake. Four folks should fix that. So what are some options for what to do with it after we move everyone out of it and to a real state? Hey, burn it down again, but like less
Starting point is 00:34:32 A My Check is not spelling is underlining that at all racistly as a word apparently. Oh gosh, it's a great word option two I didn't like that be filled with fuckable androids all the Westworld and then burn it down. That's still makes more system the plot of season two. Okay, five for two, digging two or see, turn it into a pig farm so really no changes necessary at all. I'm gonna go with fuckable androids. You always go with fuckable androids.
Starting point is 00:35:01 This is my credit card. I'm sorry, the answer was not fuckable, Android. Usually is. It's always fuckable. I was just talking this agree. But this is Oklahoma. They're women are actually cheaper than their Android. So it works out for everybody. You can kill them without getting so. Yeah. All right. So it looks like top of your R winner this week.
Starting point is 00:35:31 All right. Well, next week, Eli, you're up, buddy. Yay. All right. Ray, for all of us. Now, I guess I'll toss it over to Sarah for last week's Twitter answer and this week's Twitter question. Thanks, Noah. Last week's question was,
Starting point is 00:35:46 if you were Judge Roy Bean, what sentence would you love in Eli for his various crimes against humanity? The answer comes from Mark on Facebook with this. Eli should be forced to eat his own vegan cuisine. This week's assignment is, write a whimsical haiku about the Tulsa massacre. A high coup is a poem of three unrhymed lines of five, seven, and five syllables.
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Starting point is 00:36:43 Be sure to check out past episodes, connect with us on social media, or check the show notes. Be sure to check out CitationPod.com From the director of Coldcock and last action hero comes a new adventure bursting with turn of the century bigotry. There's a new fucking sheriff in town. In Tulsa, Oklahoma, things are about to explode. Migsie, take him upstairs. I don't want to see any mocks on him. Except the ones you put there, beaten rape confessions out of him.
Starting point is 00:37:15 But not the fucking racist ones. And when they came to get him, Sheriff McCullough stood strong. You let us in there and linch that rapist, Sheriff. Hey, nobody's fucking getting in here, you hear? You know what, Sheriff? You aren't as racist as I thought you were. Oh, come on. That fucking hurts, Charlie.
Starting point is 00:37:34 You know if this is a Chinese guy. I'd let you guys up there in a second. And when it boils over, he did what he had to do. Sheriff, the entire town is on fire. They're shooting all the black people. Not all of them, Boris. I got one right here. Safe and sound. Dual grade. Okay, my name's not Boris and they've already killed like 300 of them. Safe and sound. Fucking, fucking safe.
Starting point is 00:37:58 Marky Mark is Sheriff McCullough in death race 1921. Is that a fucking airplane, bro? Sheriff McCullough in death race 1921. Is that a fucking airplane, bro? Could we use it, maybe? To like Savae?

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