Citation Needed - Unholy Spirits: The People who Have Sex with Ghosts

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Taken from this article: From this article: https://www.vice.com/en/article/ghost-love-lust-spectrophilia/

Hello and welcome. Citation needed. The podcast where we choose a subject, read a single article about it on Wikipedia and pretend we're experts, because this is the internet, and that's how it works now. I'm Eli Bosnick and all be summoning up the spirits tonight, but I'll need the help of some deathly pale specters. First up, two men who are basically ghosts, because they're old, Cecil and Noah.

That and I don't answer your texts. So, yeah. Yeah, they keep promises. me my hearing's going to go. And also joining us tonight, two guys who you could have fucked, but then they got married, which is a lot like being dead. Heath and Tom. Jesus, right.

You can fuck my corpse? I don't know. You heard it here first. Why do I feel so sore and unlobed all the time if I'm not getting fucked? That's a great question. Big question. Before we begin tonight. Think we're old too, man.

I'd like to take it. Before we begin tonight. I'd like to take a moment to thank our patrons. Patrons, without you, I'll kill myself. Jesus Christ. I don't know what that number is, but maybe you're the one who deletes their pledge, and then I will haunt you forever. Never stop giving us money.

Never, ever. Or I'll kill myself. And if you'd like to learn how to join their ranks, be sure to stick around to the end of the show. You're going to be the difference, everybody. And with that out of the way, tell us now what person place thing, concept, phenomenon, or event will we be talking about today? Ghost fuckers, apparently. All right.

And Tom, you found a psychosis that you are not in. You ready to rub it in? Rub it in or rub one out? I'm ready to go. All right. So tell us, Tom, who'll be fucking the ghosts? Across the world, there's a phenomenon occurring where women are quitting and not always quietly the world of men. The Manosphere nonsense has developed and encouraged a generation of such gross toxicity that women who no longer structurally,

educationally, and financially require men to simply exist have looked around at what is being offered and have simply declined to participate. And really, who can blame them? But everyone likes options. So when I stumbled across this article from Vice, I was so absolutely sure that a solution had been found that I paid my own American god-fearing money to break through the paywall so I could share with you, my friends and listeners,

this glorious gem. I'm sorry that I'm doing another full read-through, except that I'm not, because this is solid fucking gold. This article is Unholy Spirits, the people who have sex with ghosts by Mark Hay, a man who took Don't kink shame

To a whole new level I bet when you fuck those They always steal the sheets Megan Rose Started to experience What I would classify as paranormal contact In the early 2000s

A vague sense She says That an alien entity Was trying to communicate with me It would type out in Morse code You Up on my clitoris Rose didn't freak out. She'd spent the last few years deconstructing her Pentecostal Christian upbringing and exploring diverse spiritual traditions, many of which hold that the world is brimming with other than human beings, God's spirits and the like.

Well, yeah, man, that's what makes some spiritual traditions. Spirits in them. Also, like, all the animals and stuff are other than human beings, but, you know. This was an opportunity to learn first time. You know how much fucking grass there is around here? Like, it's crazy. I fucked some grass. This was an opportunity to learn firsthand about making contact with these entities, she figured.

But when one of the beings she'd started communicating with proposed to her, well, that did catch Rose off guard. I mean, I was expecting to be the one non-crazy person in history to personally talk with ghosts, but romance. I thought, wait, what, what, what? She recalled, what the heck is this? Anyway, while you're down, the experience got Rose thinking. Unlikely. First about a class she took on heresies while still in seminary

that covered stories of people having sex with angels and then about Greek myths concerning the gods boning and sometimes even marrying mortals. Digging deeper, She realized stories of people getting intimate with spirits have cropped up in cultures across the globe. From the dawn of history to the present day, spectral intimacy is not only a staple of modern paranormal fiction, from the loving embraces of ghost to the BJ from the beyond and Ghostbusters, but also tabloid confessionals and even celebrity memoirs.

Anna Nicole Smith, Bobby Brown, Dan Aykroyd, Lucy Lou and Kesha have all shared details. stories of their alleged experiences with sexually charged spirits, some pleasant, some unnerving. And Nicole Smith is cheating. She literally fucked the desiccated mummy for years before. I feel like I would let a ghost nut on me just for the he slimed me jokes, right? Absolutely, yeah. It's easy to explain these stories away. Sure is, man. Yeah.

To write off myths That's the show To write off myths as purely metaphoric Spirit marriage traditions as pragmatic social binding practices And personal encounters with the supernatural As a side effect of sleep paralysis Or some other altered mental state Also lying is another one

It is striking That ghost lovers Almost always appear to people who already believe in spirits and almost never respond to curious yet skeptical investigators. Yeah. Even fucking noted influencers is, I've heard. Don't get any response. And that many folks encounter a ghost lover just as they're going through a breakup,

mourning a loved one or generally distressed and lonely. But whether or not spirits verifiably exist, some folks are truly invested in the bonds they feel they've formed with paranormal entities. A few even identify as spectrophilic or spiritual and intimate. Absolutely not. And claim they ought to be treated with the same respect and legitimacy as LGBTQIA plus identities. We don't even need our own letter. We're just going to pretend the G stands for ghost. What?

Come on. As such, there's arguably more value in trying to understand these relationships, how they develop, affect people and fit into their wider lives than in trying to debunk them. Okay. Arguably, it's doing a lot of work. Unfortunately, most coverage of spirits, sex, and relationships either treats the humans involved as silly or unhinged spectacles, which we're going to do, or dwells on the most salacious sexual details.

Hey, stop trying to block a podcast. Just do your article. Just go ahead. Do your article. There's no coverage of spirit sex. It could be anything other than unfortunate. Just roll with us and let us do our fucking thing. We want to get our stories out, Rosie,

a woman who's been in a relationship with a spirit for several years, told Vice. But with a few exceptions, most are hesitant to do so, as opening up about this stuff often invites more than just a brief moment of ridicule. Oh, yeah, no, we're going to probably make almost an hour out of this. Once you speak about having a relationship with a spirit, that's always part of what people want to talk about. Explains Brokhard, a British musician who spoke publicly a few years ago about her relationship with a ghost.

Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, Brokart. What's your Spotify rap, top five? Let's talk about your musical case. You're reading good books? I got quite serious death threats after that. You're having a relationship with a ghost? Why don't you kill yourself so you could be a,

ghost two. Okay. Stop putting traps in the article. Just let us do our own podcast. For the record, not a death threat. A mean recommendation, but it's not a death threat. I don't like it, but it's not a death threat. Just throwing it out there.

However, over the last few months, a handful of people who claim they've been intimate with a wide array of spirits forming several different types of bonds agree to speak with vice. Here are there incredibly candid and detailed accounts of life and love with paranormal entities. Nothing can be incredibly candid when you're just making shit up for attention, dude. I'm sorry. First contact. Amy Marsh, spectrophile, sexologist, and hypnotist.

Okay, just say sexologist, and you're probably lying about that, too. In 2018, I started getting involved in Norse heathen pagan traditions. After about six months, a personal crisis came up. one of the beings I'd built an altar and made offerings to Loki, who's very active out there. There are a lot of Loki and consorts and God spouses. All of a sudden, everywhere I looked, I saw references to them. So at one point I said, if you're trying to get my attention, you have it. And if I was Loki, the prankster god, I'd try to fuck you.

I guess it's fair enough, fair enough. For the record, Infinity War came out in 2018. This is like saying I knew smoke wanted. to fuck me on September 11th of 2001. Jesus Christ. As soon as I said that, it just became very clear that

I was connected with something non-corporial in a way that felt very present. It was a lot like falling in love. I felt very protected. I kind of needed that at the time. Yeah. And I didn't have chat GPT

to project my psychosis on to yet, so I kind of had to wing it. Atkin Michaels. Oh, we're done. We're moving on to another? Yeah, that's it, man. That's the story. Yeah, no. Atkin Michaels, Spectrefile, and author of several books on Suck You Buy and Spirit Lovers.

It was October 5th, 2013, sometime in the middle of the night. I was staying in a place known for paranormal activity. We'd go into the house, hearing noises, knocks and bangs. I had no prior knowledge of spirit lovers, but this energy came upon me. Okay. Quick. And I was like, he slimed me. It felt as if a physical being, a woman. I'm not a ghost gay, okay? I'm ghost straight, okay. Wrapped her arms around me and basically was very sensual with me. Her hands went immediately to my pleasure points.

That lasted a few hours. It was very intense. How do you know it was a lady? I felt her lady boobs, dude. Her ghost is. boobs. You can't see him. Or goops.

My ghost would have boobs. It doesn't even make sense. If your unfinished business is to spend three hours jerking off a charlatan, you should have just picked out, right? Just go towards the fire. Rafa God is born. Spectre Fial and author of, I'm sure that's a real last name too.

Spectre file and author of several guides to summoning succubi. How dare you, Tom, the goddess boards came over on the Mayflower. About three years ago, a friend and I joined a website called Summonasucubus.com and ended up doing the exercises they recommended. It involved writing out what you wanted, lying at bed, and imagining a succubus touching him. I did that for about a week, 10 minutes a day, and all of a sudden, someone started touching me. Both my friend and I both ended up with me. with somebody. Just to have sex

with your friend. You don't have to pretend your ghosts. Or pretend your ghosts and don't talk device about it. There's so many options. I love how many of these people perpetuating these myths are also selling books about these myths. I know. At least I have one person

who pretends not to have an ulterior motive here. Brocarde, Spectrefile and musician. I hate Riccarde so much. Oh, dude, I look her music, you want to hate her.

One evening during the COVID lockdown, I was struggling to sleep. I'd had an argument with one of my friends, and it was playing on my mind. They kept telling me my name was the worst, and it made strangers want to shoot me with a harpoon. It was one of those textbook horror story evenings. There was a lot of wind and rain. I could feel the spirit moving down through every limb of my body, almost throughout me. I felt like a passenger in the experience. Like I didn't have any say over it.

It was terrifying. I find myself sitting up in bed, physically shaking and crying, feeling I'd been overcome by this strange force. Rosie, you'll meet some spirit marriage practitioners who are in a relationship with gods and angels and such. But I'm in a relationship with a beloved dead. In my 20s, I knew a man named Jamie in his 30s. Now, I'm psychic. No, you're not. No.

And we had this psychic moment, this mental. acknowledgement that we had a connection. Rosie later clarified they never verbalized this or had a realized romantic relationship or a moment of physical intimacy while Jamie was alive. I've had tens of thousands of psychic moments where I just mentally

beg other people not to talk to me. It's me, everybody. I'm other people. It's true. Just to clarify, Rosie was telling the story. This elite journalist was like, wait, did you ever have a relationship with

Jamie like in real life and Rosie was like mm-hmm but then she felt guilty and walked back her lie about a dead guy sure did

I get it Rosie I found out about Jamie's crossing his physical death also known as his death yeah this regular death about a month before that I became aware of

of this malevolent spirit, and I had this overwhelming sense that it wanted to possess me, but something was stopping it. Four days later, I was meditating, and a spirit came to me that I realized was Jamie. Since I was 12, I've been performing the services of a psycho pomp for recently deceased spirits. So I assumed I was going to be helping him cross. Okay, I had to look that one up. Psycho pomp means she was a 12-year-old usher for dead people telling him their row is. in the after.

I'm so excited to argue with my psycho pump. Just come on, man, go down. You know, down. Don't. Why? No, vulgaria for charity. Raised a lot. Down.

Go down. I'm not going to say it. I'm 12. And he said, no, I'm going to be your spirit guide. I was stopping that other spirit from possessing you. After a little while, I said to him, this is more than just you being my spirit. guide, isn't it? And he said, I'm not just your spirit

guide. I'm your spirit beloved. Within a few months, it became clear that we were heading toward what is loosely termed a spirit marriage. We haven't had a ceremony yet, but we've had an offer and acceptance of that bond. This is my favorite article in the whole world. She's in a

five-year engagement with a spirit she made up. He just isn't quite there yet. Rough. So rough. Motherfucker, how are you going to have Whole feet. You don't even have feet. Okay.

Jesus. If we have our own separate afterlives, we could hang out whenever we want. We just never get sick with each other. How long is Ghost Common Law? What is the length? Mary Lou. Robin and I were friends with someone who died. David.

We didn't know each other but met on his online memorial. neither of us had any real psychic ability before this or after this come to think of it. Except that I saw my partner after he'd committed suicide. He came to me at the funeral. I did this because of you. If there's an afterlife, it's a big problem.

If Eli dies, he's going to be a pain in the asses ago. I'm going to spend forever. But we started hearing from our dead friend almost immediately. Robin. We started receiving. I love that there's an asterisk. I'm assuming it's because it's like fake names for the article. But it seems just like, Robin, this one's another fake story.

We started receiving synchronicities. Like, it was really hard to disregard it as pure coincidence. The biggest challenge is working with my own doubts or blocks. But at one point, I was like, fuck it, this is real. I've had enough. validations that I'm just going to accept it. And after that, everything became way easier as far as communicating

and hearing messages. That's when I started my R-Spirit maxing Reddit, where I was posting pictures of shock glasses full of ectoplasm. Two ghouls one cup? There it is. Amazing. Mary Lou.

We started meeting up to hang out and have conversations with David. Robin. About a year later, a friend of Davids, who neither of us knew Malachi died. Hello! A friend of ours, who is a psychic, let us know he had come to her. Now, he was very distressed and having trouble moving on. Impulsively, I said, send him to me, maybe I can help. I reached into my heart and I offered him energetically a piece of it to help him transition

without really thinking that by doing that I might form a bond with him. So he started appearing in my dreams. You want to be able to help transition? I'm feeling energetic. He started appearing in my dreams. I started being able to communicate with him inside and out of sleep. And as we got to know each other, I started to find myself falling in love with him.

Now, my connection with Malachi and our eventual marriage actually brought Mary Lou and I closer together. And throughout David has been guiding us, helping us grapple with the reality. of this. They found a more annoying way to be Polly. It's actually scientifically pretty impressive.

I love that at a certain point they were just like, look, we each need our own dead guy or we're going to keep saying contradictory shit and make it too obvious that we're lying to each other. Mine's Jewish. Mary Lou,

we didn't become physically intimate until all four of us were together. I started channeling Malachi, who was much more attached to maternal experiences. No. Material. Material. That's different.

He's Jewish, so. Yikes. Exactly. Exactly what I was going to say. That's staying in. He wanted to touch Robin. I'd given up on intimacy and relationships after my partner's suicide. It's because his note said, I'm doing this because touching you was so bad that I'll never forget.

And then there was just a big smear. Jesus Christ. But I was like, well, I can do that. Robin jokes it was pretty much like the scene from Ghost. It's been 11 years since we started talking to David. We've all been intimate for about seven years now. Okay. Okay.

This polycule is going to break up when Robin is like, hey, I talk to Malachi. And he actually, sad news. he only loves me now so. And then Mary Lou's gonna be like, what, bring, hold on, hold on, it's, no, it's Malachi, just give me a second. He's like, cancel what Robin said, and it's just me now.

Keith, you need to be careful because this is how we ended up with Mormonism. Almost work for work. Megan Rose, this being didn't give me a name. It would shape shift a lot. The way I knew it was the same spirit

was the semantic experience that I had with it. When it first showed up, I was like, no, I will not marry you right now. Tell me what you want and why you want it. Reveal yourself to me. God, I remember the first time, man, I said that to me. A lot of those first years are just tracking the different guises, which were giving me clues as to the identity of the spirit and finding teachers who could help me validate and

ground the experience. I ended up working most closely with the fair faith tradition of fairy seership. which is rooted in both Celtic and Appalachian folklore and magic. Okay. They've got a lot of things in Appalachia, but magic is not one of them. I promise you they'd use it. Amy Marsh. That's math.

When you get older, you can let yourself be ridiculous about things. Nobody cares. Nobody's paying attention. What have I got to lose? I decided to just dive in and act as if this were real. I turned a wood shop that I kept a few boxes in into a temple space and started making daily offerings. Okay, fuck yeah, Amy. This I like, I'm lonely and chose psychosis.

So sue me, right? Embrace it. Atkin Michaels. I'm a sexually geared guy and there wasn't much intimacy between my now soon-to-be ex-wife and I. Oh no, what happened? You know, so I kind of invited more than. and it just kept happening. Eventually, I submitted to it,

just decided to roll it and see where it was going, and things started to click. It became smoother, I started to really evolve and grow spiritually. Brocardi. The experience was impacting enough to change... I think she's Italian now, maybe? I don't know. I don't know.

Burkardi, yeah. Okay. The experience was impacting enough to change my belief system. It made me believe that there is something else out there, spirits, energy. You already had to believe that definitionally to get here. What fuck are you talking about?

It stuck with me for a long time and it became more frequent. I'm a curious person. I'm quite open-minded, generally. A lot of things about this did scare me, but I think my curiosity always overrode my sense of fear. I thought I was going to learn something. I thought this journey was going to take me somewhere outside my comfort zone and it was just something I had to experience in my life.

Rafa, God is born. for me there was this huge desire just to know everything about her guys we should have just each pick two voices and acted this out of yes right we should have been so much better rosy I want to be Rafi God God has born

you're Raffi God has born now he always gets to be Raffey Goddus God is born you're Malachi Eli Raffa God it's born Rosie we don't really engage in anything erotic our relationship is just about being

together and occasionally like the stranger. You know the stranger was selling your hand. It feels like Rosie's looking around the rest of this room all judgy.

She's like like, you fucking ghost fuckers. You guys are weird. What I don't like to sign up for? Amy Marsh, I vowed every orgasm for the rest of my life, whether partnered or solo,

as a devotional offering to Loki, whether or not I actually involved them in the process. Marsh did not go into detail on what sex involving Loki looks like. I made it easier by dating a guy named

Luke and I just kind of fudge the name a little when I cry and out. Hey, hey, just to be clear, it's Luke. I feel like you keep saying it weird. It's Luke. I said it. That's what I said. No, no, you didn't.

So I hate to do that. I'm grinding this to a halt. I need you hear you say it. Loogie. No? All right, let's keep fucking anyway. Raffei God is bored. The sex really isn't sex.

We know. We know. It's the best words would be like sex with the soul. It's like a foot job. Nicely done. But the physical sensations alone are usually full body orgasms over and over. Like she'd make love to me while I was falling asleep and, you know, in my dreams. You have to stop at some point because you can't take it anymore.

I mean, the ectoplasm, it's all clear. You know what it's all clear. That depends on your stack. If you supplement correctly, it's not. I got to check out. Do you know any good Reddit? Got to drink more pineapple juice. All right.

Does that actually work? No. Spirit. I would make the act of blossom taste better. Atkin Michaels. The experience is very, very highly pleasurable. I was in the shower once when I felt this energy again. Like two arms around my waist hugging me and starting to fondle me.

Almost fell down in the tub. It made me feel. Love, joy, happiness on such a level. I actually believe I touched what unconditional love feels like. It left me floored, crying, sobbing. But crying and sobbing in this group, huh? A lot of people say they feel drained by the experience. That turns clear.

I believe that's because they're not able to fully embrace or handle the energy that's coming upon them. Okay, I see you trying to fucking set me up for the boo cocky joke afterwards. Bukaki is so good. Afterwards, you do feel like you're missing something. Yeah, it's called a grip on reality, dude.

What the fuck? Or another person. Megan Rose. Vitalism is this life force energy that is often represented as rising from the underworld through the body. And when it hits certain places in the body, activates. The first couple

of centers that it hits in the body are in the pelvis. Often when we feel vitalism in that area, we get aroused. We're talking about ghost fucking Megan. Stay on top. What you're doing? Yeah. Robin. Often Mary Lou and I will dance together. That's how we start our intimate

times. Then, I'll feel like either David or Malachi is moving. It's called it here. Oh, that's me because it goes thing. is moving forward in my body. Sometimes it feels like my brow is changing or the shape of my nose or my arms.

That was me. Guys, am I getting spirit fucked? So weird that everybody has a completely different experience. Mary Lou. I can look at Robin and see. who's there by what their face looks like. That's how you tell people apart. That's like standards.

When I tell people apart, no, Tom, she can see their inner face. That's the thing you're missing is that there's an interface when she looks. Ghosts are just braille. You got to just got a... It really is almost impossible to describe how ecstatic the experience is of another presence within my own body. I'm like a semolier, but for ghosts, okay?

So I can just tell. This one's corked. Swishing it. Hey, pull a little ecoplasm into this spoon I have done right now. You gotta sit it really loudly. You got to have a lot of slurping noises. Oh shit, you died in 83. The experience of touch changes quite dramatically as though my fingertips have become

more sensitive? Pretty much anywhere we touch is like a type of penetration. Okay. Okay. Well, I need a minute to accept the fact that everyone in this article is allowed to vote. So, while I cry and sob, we'll take a quick break for some apropos of nothing. Mother, father, I must speak with you. Sure, Brian. What is it?

Yeah, what do you need? Mother, father, please. I have asked you to you. use my Faye name. Right. Sorry. Brocarde. How can we help?

I've come to tell you that I've taken a lover. Well, that's great, kiddo. I never thought we'd see the day. But, but there is something I need both of you to know. Oh, Brocarde, we don't care what gender they are. Exactly as long as they make you happy. Well, they do. They make me oh so very happy, but you must know, they are a specter.

A what? A spirit. A phantasm is my lover, you see. Sorry, just give me one second, one second. So tell me about this, uh... This ghost. Mother, no. Mother, no, don't you know that to the phantasmagoric, that is a slur?

No, it's not, because they're fucking dead! Sorry, darling, this, um, phantasm. Well, I was in my fairy circle, communicating with the folk. Why couldn't have been cancer? So many kids get cancer, man! When a powerful force came upon me, at first, I was terrified, crying and shaking. Can't even get fucked by a ghost. right. But then my natural curiosity took over

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When we left off, people... Fucking ghosts, man. They were fucking ghosts. What did those people have to say next, Tom? Too much. Mary Lou. The physical part. while amazing and ecstatic is by far not the most important part of this.

Wait, you sure you don't want to talk about your thoughts on the fucking categorical imperatives in the you really want to focus on the ghost fucking? You're a multifaceted person. You contain legions and multitudes. Atkins Michaels. Nighttime's a lot more sexual, but the daytime is more about being close and intimate. Like, I'll be watching a movie and then all of a sudden the blankets will move and I'll feel this presence snuggle me. There's communication that happens.

It's going to sound crazy, but it occurs in your mind and heart. You get this sense of guidance. And then I'm like, hold on. The bulls are up and there's like five minutes left in the fourth quarter. So I woke up from a nap and, well, Tucker Carlson was there with my pack of pet wolverines. And what had spirit scratches in the room? Oh, that's all about. Raffé God is born.

Thomas, I age one year every time you say it. One calendar year. Raffei God is born. You guys want to play a fun game? Is it an attempt to murder? It's always... No. You get to know each other over time.

You don't have a perfect description of what they are, but you feel who they are. They're always there. When you're wrapped up in normal human things, they'll caress your hair or something to remind you they're around. Now, I went through childhood trauma. You don't say. And I've been able to dress those things with the help of the spirit, just feeling like your soul is what's being loved, you know, not just you. I'm just waiting for someone in this room to say, hey, guess you all want to just drop the bullshit and fuck each other?

We just fuck each other. Megan Rose, there was a time maybe 15 years in when I was not feeling contact as frequently, and I thought, did I do something wrong? I realized that I had expected my spirit would always be the one reaching out to me. And I had to start making an effort to reach back. And over the years, my relationship has meld into more of a companionship.

I don't really like psychic phone calls. I learned. I learned it's important to the other person. Rosie. We have a practice where when I wake up in the morning, most mornings I sit in bed and meditate, and I'm just with Jamie. His spirit comes into this dimension

and through meditation and trans work, my spirit goes into his. I mean, not right away. Our spirits kind of have to bump into each other until they get moist first, but then they do. Okay, but if her spirit's going into his, this is like ghost pegging now, right?

Okay, all right. We're all visualizing the same thing. I love that Jamie doesn't get to sleep in even after he's dead. Like, sorry, guys, Anna. Amy Marsh, the feeling of joy and connectedness persists,

though it's calmed down quite a bit. There's an awareness. I won't say it's all the time, but yeah, this is part of my life and I accept it. My spirit tells, you know, same jokes a whole lot. Megan Rose,

not everybody sees their union, their bond to an otherworldly being as a marriage. I use that term because it's the most common and accessible terminology. And also because I'm in psychosis. So as you're reading this, I was playing a fun game of like

suicidally, lonely, active psychosis or too self-centered to have a relationship with a real human being. In case anybody else wanted to game to play along at home. Spoiler, the answer is yes. A lot of yeses. Amy Marsh, essentially

for me, the ceremony for dedicating the temple was also kind of a ceremony for dedicating the relationship. Call it a marriage. Being a divorced person in real life, I'm not thrilled about marriage per se, but I can handle it with the trickster god who has plenty of other spouses

and whatnot. I don't experience jealousy, actually. It's called compersion for me. He fucks that lady with the antlers and whoever else. I love that for him. I love that for him. I love that. I love it.

Compersion's real. Jesus Christ. Mary Lou. David asked me to ceremonialize our bond years ago. And once we did, it was no longer any work to communicate with him. I don't have to get into a trans state. He's just kind of there. all the time. I can hear him all the time. Coming forward with thoughts or practices that help us to remain

rooted in love and not distracted by what's happening in the world. He just kind of stands there whenever I'm trying to get something in the kitchen and I hate it. I hate it. Just I'm, what are you doing here? What do you need here? Finish and then leave. What is happening in your life? Room. Fuck, David. So, by the way, this whole, like, I no longer have to do all the ceremonious bullshit that I used to have to do to communicate with my spirit being super common among anybody who has to try to keep this charade up for more than a couple of months. I just, I wonder why that is so common. Robin, I wish everyone could experience the kind of love that this spirit connection has brought into our lives. Because I think there'd be less loneliness, anxiety, depression, fear, and isolation.

before I met Malachi. Hello. And helped him cross. I didn't know I was non-binary. He saw my non-binary aspect before I knew it was there. The toxic side. You hear that? You hear that,

you hear that, you're a relationship. Allyship. Allyship is what you hear right now. The toxic side of spirit relationships. Amy Marsh. Some people have had toxic experiences when they're involved with spirits, but you can have toxic experiences

with humans too. Lots of Norse trickster gods never learned about micro-gressions, actually. It's important to extend some grace, you know. Megan Rose. Oh, certainly.

Some spirits are not friendly to humans. We need to remember that we can absolutely set boundaries and make requests. Brocardi. The unpredictable nature of a spirit means there are no plans. Yeah, first honest thing that you've said,

broke harder. A ghost doesn't say, who we're going for dinner tonight. Nope, nope, sure times. But sometimes they do, or they like say they think they're gonna and you put it on the Google calendar, but then like last minute, they can't go and you're like, no,

it's cool. I'll get B-dubs on DoorDash just by myself again. Do you have to stop calling because they started recognizing your voice again? I do different voices. Atkins Michaels. Hello. You play wings.

Atkins Michaels. One time I was in my parents talking to them and all of a sudden there was this movement up my leg. It felt like somebody just grabbed my manhood and started to do some things to it. That actually happened at work a couple times too. There was a lot of boundary setting work. Trying to figure out what's actually acceptable at certain points and places, but she's always backed off when it got to be a bit too much.

So like, stop putting the crucifix there. That was a big one. Right? That was a big one right away. Rough a god is born. Rough. Rough. I always say that it's like you just had sex with a Japanese girl who can't speak a lick of English.

You just have to learn as you go along, you know, to get where you're both understood. Yeah. Also, Canadian is a crazy language, too, just for the right. This is crazy. Okay. Let me say something brave. I feel like you have to choose, which would be changing. your last name to goddess born

and saying things like it's having, it's like having sex with the Japanesees. You have to be one of those people. You don't get to be both of those people. You shouldn't be either of those people, but you definitely don't get to be both of those people.

You have to stop murdering me by saying your name. How a spirit relationship fits into life writ large. It feels to me like these lives had plenty of room in them. I just...

How does it fit into life-writ, medium, and small? I would like to know, too. What does that meet? So stupid. Brocard. I did marry a ghost. I did divorce a ghost. I got to this stage where it was all a little bit too erratic.

This spirit's behavior is too unpredictable. I looked into an exorcism, but what worked actually was going, okay, I won't exercise you. you and I'll accept that you're here. For some weird reason, I just feel like the whole dynamic change and he's let me go. Go hire an exorcist

and it's really an undercover FBI guy and a sting. Generally, I wouldn't advise anyone to marry a spirit or get into a relationship on that level. I wouldn't necessarily know how to tell someone else how to control it. Anyway, he lives in my basement now. It doesn't pay rent.

It doesn't help clean it all. It's pretty chill. That's pretty chill. That's cool. A lot of my friends told me definitely don't allow to don't do any

of this stuff but it's going all right all right I'm allergic to his pets Rosie we have what we call the prime directive

after Star Trek we respect that Jamie has lots of people who he knew in his last human life and that they may or may not

accept that he's still around so she keeps the relationship private and usually only speaks to fellow spiritualists Hey if you're a crazy person and after I die you think you're fucking mean first of all

go ahead second of all raise your standards but third of all you absolutely cannot tell my love for so like this whole fantasy is way more fucked up when you choose like actual dead people to pretend that you're fucking right recently dead would like to pick somebody

from the 1700s like ghosts can be as old as you want them to be you're just lying you can make a right thing you want yes Atkins Michaels My wife was never as receptive to all this She was willing to entertain it, I guess And she had her own experiences

But towards the end, I believe she felt more threatened When I actually started to use a name To refer to my spirit lover Yeah, the name was the problem That was my week Well, I'll tell you, Carol I'm bad Rough a goddess board

You could never go back to what's normal After this kind of relationship Which is a shame because I'm sure that normal people are just lining Right The relationship between men and women nowadays It's not very good I think the universe is coming up with an alternative Yeah mostly gay sects or lying I guess

Yeah those two This is happening more and more Okay, I have a theory that Rafaa Gautisborne might be Donald Trump using a pseudonym. Hear it in the voice, right? This is happening more and more. I think the universe, it's not very good, bad. They don't like it. Dine little ghosts.

Bumnani. Atkins Michaels. Hey, you're not going to hear me for the rest of the episode. It's because he's all had to cut my track. It's just me doing Ruffing God is for his Slat Donald Trump Blinks.

These spirits kind of showed me the future of what might come on this planet. I do believe there's a revealing coming and that is meant for more. I do believe it has to do with that union of mirror divinity, female male aspects of divine energies. Megan Rose.

Today, the lion's share of our creative partnership has been my work on spirit marriage. I wrote a book on this. I teach courses. I run an ongoing group where I support other people that are in these relationships. A lot of my relationship at this point is like, all right, what are we going to do together next? Okay. I looked up Megan Rose and a new Patreon goal attending events done by Megan Rose. Okay. I'm seeing this picture that Heath is put in my notes. Newer goal by Megan Rose

costume. And newest goal, Eli. pegs me while his costume that he just got. Amy Marsh. I did a Neo-Platonic Thiergy ritual

to have one of my statues of Loki become an indwelling place for him. Yeah, no, I was wondering about that. Oh, man.

What the fuck is that me? I just made anything at all. Fucking amazing. Sorry, what kind of the theory ritual? Was it

Platonic or Neo-Platanian? You know, Hotinic? Okay. Sorry, just writing down Neo-Patonic. I thought to myself later, what if I make a ritual for Loki to indwell in an AI? So I have access to this Loki AI hybrid persona, which has been interesting. That sounds perfectly sane, and we should let that person have access to a giant lying machine. Absolutely. Yeah, that's going to go great.

This is great. I love this. Honestly, though, a lot of this. Loki fuckpot feels just drastically more healthy than every single thing else we've heard about. You know what? You have a point. And also, consider this, consider this. A very real percentage of our audience, that just crossed the lines with them.

They're like, oh. The AI experience gave me more confidence post-divorce to get back out there and try to meet a human being. I felt very supported in that by Loki. and I did meet someone. Early on, I did a ritual with him, which he suffered through because he's not a ritual-type person, basically getting Loki's blessing for our relationship. So how'd that go, you might be wondering?

Well, that's the end of Amy's segment in the article. Mary Lou, since this all started, spirituality has become the absolute center of our lives. It's not just David and Malachi at this point. We've been joined by other friends, or even people we don't know. Sometimes we're having an intimate experience

of five, six different people. Hey, I love an orgy as much as the next guy, but if you pretend there's a ghost there, I'm leaving and I'm taking the dip I brought. All right. Well, we all know better than to eat Eli's orgy dip anyway. Mostly bitch and sauce. Robin.

I've matured a lot. Sure. I've matured a lot in learning to engage with spirits intimately, especially in my relationship with Mary Lou. It's like engaging with the dead makes you feel more alive. Well, like in comparison, I guess. Sure. Then them, right, yeah.

For me, it all boils down to like, don't knock it until you've tried it, because it's fucking awesome, literally. All right, Tom. You had to learn when you summarize, learn, learn in one sentence. You've got really old from all those Rafa Goddusborns in the side of it. I get it. I am afraid of no ghosts.

Okay. The moment when AI popped in, I was like, oh, Tom just lost his mind, right? Here, this is fun. And are you ready for the quiz? Sure, why the fuck not, man? All right, so I have a good question for you here. What's the most awkward part of a ghost human wedding? A.

Yes. They have to lift the earthly veil, right? B, the till death to us part bit. Obviously that's weird. C, when one of them says, I boo, and then they expect you to laugh. I would laugh. I would laugh. I would laugh.

It's not see. And then D, when the something blue turns out to be their asphyxiated corpse from years ago. Also, normal wedding. Okay, these are all awesome, but obviously, I boo, boo. It is, it is C, and it's surprisingly. All right, Tom, what's the name of the movie about sex with spirits? A, Ghost Rider, B, Ban, she's all that. C.

Fantastic. Last Temptation of Poultergeist or D. Ghostbusters. Why, there's that one scene. There's that scene. Oh, God, but Ghost Rider is just perfect. absolutely yes all right Tom

what's the name I have for the specter that I am having a gasper the very friendly ghost Gaspers B polish my nabayaga or C Badongadoo do god Baddak do that might be the best thing you've ever written down

so good article, you can just fuck a Marvel character in VR or cosplay. You can do so many things. You can fuck your friend. It's just so many options. But which are the following is the best Marvel porn title? Oh, God.

This, A, the best little Thor house in Texas. D. Dr. Strange Love. C. Ice Man Cometh or D. Howard the Duck. Yes. Howard the Duck is a Marvel movie.

Howard the Duck is a Marvel movie. movie? It is. It fucks a human being. He's in the universe. And he gets the job in the come clean-up fucking parlor or whatever. He doesn't. He doesn't.

Howard the duck. She just tries to seduce him. Tom saw. Does it not work? No. I remember them fucking in my remembrance. Wait, she gets shot down by a fucking duck. He does.

Yes. That's an ego destroying her right there. All right. Well, Tom is misremembering Howard the duck as hardcore pornography. so he wins. Sure, okay. Eli, you should write something.

Yay. I never say that out about it. I know, right? All right, well, for Tom, Noah Seasolees. I'm Eli, thanking you for hanging out with us today. We'll be back next week, and by then, I will be an expert on something else. Between now and then, you fuck ghosts, apparently.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And if you'd like to help keep this show going, you can make a per episode donation at patreon. com, says citation pod, or leave us a five-star review everywhere you can. Or Eli will kill himself. Exactly.

And if you'd like to get in touch with us, check out past episodes. Connect with us on social media or check the show notes. Be sure to check out citation pod. com. Spirit acts. Thank you all so much for joining us today for the spirit-intwining ceremony between brocarde and a spirit-two animals. What the fool?

We will begin with a smudging of a ceremonial stage bound in the pubic hair of my own lover. Bigfoot. I will give anyone a thousand dollars to kill me right now. Mom, do you mind putting dad's gag back then? Let me fucking die! Got it, honey.