Citizens of the World: A Stoic Podcast for Curious Travelers - Edinburgh: What to Eat Drink and Do in Scotland’s Capital City

Episode Date: February 17, 2021

Digital nomad Jeremy Enns is Canadian. His girlfriend is American. Due to visa situations, to stay together they have to travel (which they love anyway). But traveling and living the nomadic life isn’t as easy during a global pandemic. Jeremy and his partner have made it work by slowing down how often they move. Over the last year, they spent the largest amount of time in Edinburgh.On the Part of Something Greater Podcast, Jeremy shares his top tips for what you need to eat, drink, and do in Scotland’s capital city. Hello! I'm your host, Sarah Mikutel, a transformation coach and an American expat based in England.But the real question is, who are you? Where are you now and where do you want to be? Can I help you get there?Visit sarahmikutel.com to learn how we can work together to help you achieve more peace, happiness, and positive transformation in your life.Book your Enneagram typing session by going to sarahmikutel.com/typingsessionWant to connect on Insta? Find me hereDo you ever go blank or start rambling when someone puts you on the spot? I created a free Conversation Cheat Sheet with simple formulas you can use so you can respond with clarity, whether you’re in a meeting or just talking with friends.Download it at sarahmikutel.com/blanknomore and start feeling more confident in your conversations today.

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and want my help moving from someday to seize the day, visit live without borderspodcast.com. The year was 2021, and the world was still in lockdown due to COVID-19. A lot of the world anyway. Some countries have moved on. Some countries aren't that affected due to where they are. I'm looking at you, New Zealand. I am in England. I was visiting my family over the holidays. Now we're like a few months out. We're into February. But England just started this new law, I guess, where if you are flying into, the country, you've got to quarantine in a hotel for quite a few days. So I'm glad that I miss that. But it's a strange feeling to feel like I'm pretty trapped here now. I don't feel like I have the option to leave. It's a very strange feeling. But some people have to be on the move to keep their partnerships and families together. And today's guest, Jeremy, and he's on the move with his girlfriend. They've lived in a few different countries together this year. And they spent most of this time, most of 2020, in Edinburgh. And so Jeremy is going to talk all about his time in

Scotland and share his favorite things to eat and explore in Edinburgh. All right. Well, I love Scotland, and so I look forward to chatting to you a little bit about your time in Edinburgh. So, Jeremy, give us a little snapshot of what Edinburgh looks like. What does the postcard look like? Yeah, so I think, so I've been there twice now. And the first time I was there was in normal times. The second time was in COVID times. And I think the both that have been at the same time of year. So in early spring, I think, so this past, this past year in 2020 when we were there, we would have got there in, I think, March. And we were there five months until July or something like that. And I think that this is where like probably in early spring, it's not that busy a city. But I mean, it is a. stunningly beautiful city like the architecture, the mountains, the geography. You can see the ocean on kind of two sides of it. It wraps around the city. And so it is just like one of the most picturesque, stunning places that I've been. And I'm sure that I will be going back there many more times. Both times I was there actually got very lucky with the weather in that it was

quite sunny, which is not what you think of when you think of Scotland. Both trips to Scotland as a whole have had very wet, rainy, windy, wild weather experience as well, but not actually in Edinburgh, which was, I mean, very fortunate. So depending on when you go, we spent three weeks in Glasgow beforehand and it snowed, hailed, rained, sleeted and was windy, like all in the same day, every single day we were there pretty much. And then we got to Edinburgh and it was like sunny and warm. And we were like, huh, this is very strange. They're like an hour apart from each other. But so I don't know if my experience. Yeah. I don't know if my experience. Yeah. I don't know if my experience is indicative of what the postcard's going to look like when you go there.

But yeah, it is one of the most beautiful cities that I think I've ever been to. And I think especially when we were there with COVID, that was a very unique experience. People may know or maybe not. I don't know that I knew this before, but the world's largest fringe festival happens there every August, I believe. And so there's just like, I'm sure hundreds of thousands of people pile into the city. And while we were there in COVID, like the streets, of course, it was locked down. it was just empty. And so it was this kind of eerie kind of once in a lifetime experience of

Edinburgh where the streets aren't packed in the middle of summer. And you can like walk up the old town in like the mist and the fog up to the castle at the top of the hill. And there's like not a soul on the street. And it's this super eerie vibe, which was a pretty special way to experience the city. Yeah, it's a very beautiful old stone city. And yeah, I love, I love walking around that area. There's also an underground city. Did you know about that? I have, I mean, there are signs for the tours. I think all the tours were shut this time, and so I wasn't actually able to take any of them, but have you been on the tours? You know, I first went to England when I was, I mean, to Scotland when I was 18. And I heard about those cities then, and I can't remember if I actually got to go

on a tour or not, but it's definitely on my agenda for the next time I go back. Yeah, me as well. Let's say that you're still living in Edinburgh and it's normal times and I'm coming to visit you for a long weekend. What are you going to take me to? So the first thing that comes to mind is there was this bread shop, this bakery. Bakery and but really like it was a bread bread shop kind of. That was what they specialized in. And I remember walking by it one morning and saw this line like down the block and around the corner.

And I was like, what is this? What are people waiting in line for here? And it was raining too. And I'm like, what are people standing in the rain for around the block to get to? And it turns out as this bread shop called 12 triangles. And it's run by all these like, well, I don't know if they're the owners, but all the staff is like hipster dudes with like big beards and tattoos. And they're also made fantastic coffee. But the bread was just incredible.

And so I think that would be the first thing to go wait in line on a Saturday morning. And, you know, let's say wait in line in the rain. Nice kind of like experience. It's like kind of miserable outside in a sense, but the bread and the coffee are just so good. I think about it like every week still here almost a year later. And so I think that's going to be on the list. There is a lot of great coffee there. I think I have a list of probably like 12 different coffee shops.

And they all closed down for a while. And I remember just the euphoria when they started opening up again. And so a couple that come to mind that are, were some of our favorites. It's one's called the Milkman, which is kind of in the old towny area. And then let's see, another one would be fortitude coffee. Both of those I would highly recommend if you are into the kind of like craft specialty coffee scene. So that would be in terms of like restaurants, things to do.

There's another, there's one that is, I guess it's like Lebanese, Middle Eastern. It's kind of like a vague, I don't know that it's quite associated with like one type of food, but they switch up their menu every so often. It's called ransacked. And that was one of our favorite. at restaurants. We could probably got that twice a week order in. And they had just this amazing kind of, yeah, Middle Eastern-y fusion-y type food that we could have eaten probably every single meal. In terms of like going out in sightseeing, there is an extinct volcano that overlooks

the city called Arthur's Seat. And there's just this, it's in the middle of this, not massive, but it's a big enough park. It's kind of, the city wraps around it. And there is just like so much, so many walking trails there. And you could spend just just. days kind of like, you know, taking different paths around it. And I know a lot of people, you know, going up Arthur's seat, up to the volcano, it overlooks the city. That's kind of the main highlight of the park. But there's so much cool stuff to just wander around in that park outside of that. And so I would walk over the kind of like ridge every day. There's like the volcano and then there's this ridge beneath it. And I would go walk over that ridge every day to the coworking space

where I was at and then back. And it's this like great kind of slice of serenity and nature in the middle of the city. So that's one of the things that I really love about Edinburgh is that there's this like really accessible nature and then it's also right in the middle of this really walkable city as well. So definitely going out and exploring that area would be on the list of things to do. And let's see, what else? There. Well, I'm definitely coming to visit you and your girlfriend when you guys move back to because you're doing all of my favorite things. Eating bread, drinking coffee, walking around randomly for hours. Yeah.

I think there's this, I mentioned that it was a walkable city. And I think that especially because probably we wouldn't have walked as much if we, if it wasn't COVID because we would have felt more comfortable getting in Uber's and things like that. But I really discovered that there is so much cool stuff within maybe like a 45 minute walk of the city center. So you can get out to the beach. Portobello Beach is the one where a lot of people go to and there's like a nice seaside market. in restaurants and things like that along there, which is fantastic.

There's a great walkway called, I think it's the Water of Leith walkway. And you can walk along that for many miles in either direction. And that there's like it takes you through these like kind of old quaint villages. One is called Dean Village, which is this like really quaint village right in the middle of the city somehow. And with really old architecture. It's really cool. I just feel like you almost can't go wrong just walking in one direction and heading as

as you can go that way, you're going to come across something cool. And so that was one of the things that it just felt like such a great city for discovery that you could just sit off in any direction and you knew like, I'm going to find something that I'm going to be glad I went on this walk. So that probably if you're coming to visit us, we would just head out for a walk in one direction and follow our instincts, our intuition and see where we ended up. Did you take any day trips? We did. So we took a weekend. This was the weekend before things locked down for COVID. We went up to the Isle of Sky. and that is a definitely a must see for anyone who is making the trip to Scotland already. I know that there's a, I was going to say a lot of hype around it, but like it is just stunningly beautiful. It's worth it. Yes, I've been there and I love it. Yes.

Yeah, I've been there twice and I would go back again. And there's a lot to see on the island itself. Like it's not huge, but it is, you would definitely need like a few days. I would say like three, four, five days if you wanted to see. all the things that are worth seeing. And I certainly have not seen all the things yet. I've probably spent cumulatively three, four days there maybe. And there are still things on my list that I've not been able to get to. Yeah. In that part of Scotland, you've got a lot of natural beauty, a lot of castles for the castle lovers. Yes. And I am not a driver. So I took a tour group

called Rabbis, R-A-B-B-I-E-S. And I love them because they just take like small groups of people and give you kind of like a guided tour around, and then it's up to you to book your accommodation wherever you want. But yeah, so we went to Isle of Sky. We went to Loch Ness, which, you know, every little kid at some point is like, I want to see Nessie. Yeah. So I felt I was really happy that I got to see that. And it's just such a beautiful, it's such a beautiful region of the world. Yeah. Yeah. So that was our one, while we did that, and then we did at the end, when the restrictions had eased. We did a weekend away with our couple of friends from Glasgow in a town called Kreef. And that was, I don't know, I think they picked it mainly because they were able to find.

Like, it's, I don't, I don't know that I'd say it's in the highlands. Well, yeah, certainly not. But it was just like a quaint village, a couple hours north of Edinburgh. And there was some great hiking around there and great nature. But I think that's the one of the great things about Scotland is like it's small enough that you can go, you know, drive a couple hours anywhere and there's going to be cool stuff. It's almost like, you know, a bigger version of Edinburgh. You just head off and you're bound to stumble across something cool, small towns and castles and the highlands and all this stuff. So it's a really great place to spend some time, especially if you can rent a car or have a car or anything like that and you can just set off

and go on an adventure. Did you feel comfortable driving on the other side of the car than what you're used to? Yeah, so I feel like it takes some adjustment. And I think if you're there for a bit of time first time in the UK, it was a huge adjustment for me. And I was actually on my bike at the time. And I remember coming to a traffic circle and being like, oh, boy, what do I do about this? Because we don't really have traffic circles in the first place in Canada. And then also being on the opposite side of the road. I actually got off the road and stood on the sidewalk and had to like calibrate my brain. Like, which lane am I supposed to be in here? How do I do this?

But if you're just like there walking around for a few days or a week or whatever beforehand, I feel like your brain kind of calibrates itself. And once you get in the car, you're kind of like, oh, okay, this makes sense. I think being on the opposite side of the car is more of an adjustment, especially with it being generally a manual transmission and having to shift with the other hand. That's the bigger transition than driving on the opposite side for me. But I'm always amazed how quickly your brain just kind of like takes over and is like, Yep, we know what we're doing, and you kind of settle into it.

Oh, you're inspiring me, Jeremy. All right. Well, do we, can we do a little lightning round of your favorite things? Okay. Favorite tour. Okay, so I've only been on the one tour in Edinburgh the first time when I was there, and it was one of the, do I know who put it on? It was one of the free walking tours, and it was one of the better free walking tours that I've been on.

And so I think I remember it met by the Starbucks in the old town. That's of any use to anyone. Probably many meet there. But I was like blown away and learned a ton about the history that I've since forgotten. But I would do that probably every time I went there if it was running because it just like really blew me away. I think a lot of times I've been skeptical of some of the free walking tours. But this one was, I mean, well worth the time investment. And obviously the expected to give something of a tip afterwards.

And I think I probably tipped pretty heavily. It was so good. You mentioned a cafe before. You can either mention another cafe or you also said that you belong to a co-working space. So where was that? Yeah. So that was kind of right in the old town. Well, not right, right in the old town, but it was, I guess, actually, I should clarify,

it's actually in the new town, which to us like North Americans still feel super old. The new town in Edinburgh is like from the 1700s and the old town is from before that. And so it's in the technically the new town and right across from the train station kind of. So that one is called Strathmore House, I believe, or Scott House, something, a combination of Strathmore and Scott House. Those three words, you'll find it. And it was a pretty bland co-working space, but it was also really affordable. And it so happened that during the lockdown, I was the only one in the whole like four-story office building. And so kind of had the whole place to myself, which was really perfect.

Now, why did you decide to do that by yourself? Because for me, like a big plus of the co-working is to meet other people who are also co-working. But for you, did you just need like the separation of work and life? Yeah, I've always, that actually, I think before I started co-working, I didn't realize what a benefit that was of having that separation. And I find I'm so much more productive at a co-working space. And we also had a really small apartment. And so there was not, and our internet was really bad at her apartment. And so there was just, it wasn't really workable for both of us to be in that tiny space at home and also the internet.

Like I work with, you know, a lot of large media, audio and video files that was going to be a headache working from home. So that's why I ended up staying there. And I also happened to be recording. This was when I was actually recording all the videos for my podcast marketing academy. And so it was actually really nice to have nobody else around that I could, you know, not have background noise and all that type of stuff that might be somewhere else. So it worked out really nicely. Good. Yeah. So there's a variety. of reasons to be in a co-working space. But I think, yeah, I think that is a good point that when you're going into business for yourself, it's very, very easy to never stop and to always be working until you, like, close your eyes at night. And it's healthier if you can enforce

that separation. Yeah. Yeah, I agree 100%. All right. Are there any foods that we need to try in Scotland? Well, of course, there's haggis, which has this, like, horrible kind of connotation around it. It is the intestines of sheep and it's it's not that gross. And I think the spices, they're kind of interesting. And there's like haggis flavored everything like chocolate and there's like vegan haggis and there's, it's really the actual like spice combination. So I would like, I mean, it's a bit of a novelty. But you know, while you're there, try it. I would say, I mean, whiskeys, obviously in Scotland, we sampled a lot of the different whiskeys while we were there. And I am by no means a connoisseur. But they're, you know,

They are there for the sampling and the enjoying. So definitely make sure to at least try some of the different whiskeys there. Maybe go to a brewery or a distillery tour, I should say, because those are everywhere as well. Those be the two things that come to mind. First, trying to think of other Scottish stuff. I mean, we went to, yeah, like the bread shop, the coffee shops. Like, that's one of the things to me is like trying kind of common things that you can find everywhere, but finding the local variety of it is one of the big joys of travel for me.

Oh, yeah, that's, I love, I love what you just said just then. You mentioned Lebanese restaurants. Do you have any, did you have any other favorites? So we, oh, there was a Thai one. Let's see, so we stayed in kind of the college area. And let's see, what would that, oh, it was the, okay, because I remember the name of, the name for street in Thailand is soy. I think it was like soy 38, S-O-I-38 or 39 or something like that.

that was a phenomenal Thai shop, which yeah, just everything that we had there was phenomenal. And there was also a, in the same area as well, a Turkish place where they did like charcoal grilled. All their food was like charcoal grilled. And I think that one was called Verdo. And so I think between the Thai place, the Turkish place and the Lebanese place, we ate between those three. Those kind of like surrounded our house. And those were our kind of like go-toes. What about the pub culture, Jeremy?

Do you like pub food at all? I do. And we probably got in maybe two or three pubs before everything closed down. But that is definitely something that is one of the things I love so much about the UK whenever I'm there. Where should we go if we're in the mood for some culture? Hmm. I think, I mean, if you go for the fringe, that's certainly one type of culture in the summer. It's going to be expensive. There's going to be loads of people. But I've heard from everybody who has been to that, that it is a just phenomenal experience. And so that's kind of a yearly annual event they could go to.

I know there's also a, I can't remember the name of it, but I heard a few people, a few friends of mine who had been to it before. It's like a pagan event that is still celebrated. And it's this like fire festival that happens. It's been, you know, being celebrated for probably thousands of years. And it happens on Kelton Hill every, every, I think it's around, it's in the summer as well. It may be like a summer solstasy type thing. And so that would also be something to check out. It looked amazing.

Obviously, it didn't run this year, huge gatherings of thousands of people. but it's this like performance fire festival that seems to be really fascinating. In terms of like other local culture, the rest of the time, I feel like the meadows is this massive kind of park in the middle of the city. And it's it's that I feel like is there a real like one of those places where just local people go and hang out and have barbecues and like play football and just like, you know, be themselves kind of. And so that I always like walking through there, just hanging out there and just kind of

observing like local people like going about their lives, relaxing on the weekends, things like that. I would also say that in terms of like crafty locally market type stuff, there's one called Stockbridge Market. And there's a lot of cool like, like, yeah, local handmade shops and things like that, farmers markety type things, which is a great way to go for a stroll. I will say too that like Edinburgh has a great local art scene. Like we bought so much art that we shipped home because there's just everywhere like cool stuff in almost everywhere you go, you're seeing these little shops. So that was something that I really

appreciated about it there. And if I go back again, I'll probably walk away with like more boxes of posters and art and all these different things. Is there a specific like quarter that has all of these artisan shops? So the one I mentioned Stockbridge Market has a bunch, but I was really surprised that it's just like kind of there are a bunch of different streets where, especially in the old town, there's a lot of that. But you'd also walk down just a bunch of different areas in the city and come across them and be like, oh, this looks like a cool shop. And you go in and there's just all kinds of amazing little handmade different types of crafts or I don't even want to say souvenirs because that feels like it kind of cheapens it in a way. But it's like, yeah, it's real art, I would say a lot of times. Is there a typical souvenir people usually get when they visit Edinburgh or is it more the local art?

I would say, I mean, so there's, the other thing is that Edinburgh has a strong Harry Potter history, a lot of like potentially myth about like a lot of people say like this, this building is what Hogwarts was based on or this is the cafe where J.K. Rowling wrote the book or the final book or whatever. And a lot of it's like, who really knows? I think she's actually debunked a lot of it. But there certainly is like she did live in Edinburgh while she was writing. So of course there's going to be some inspiration, whether or not it's like directly tied to this place. equals this place or this person inspired this person. So there's a lot of Harry Potter like memorabilia and souvenirs. So I would say that that's something that a lot of people pick up there. Anything like whiskey related, whether it's mini bottles or shot glasses or things like that is really common. Of course, there's like souvenir kilts and things like that. The real kilts are very, very, very expensive. So probably you're not going to buy one of those for yourself, but there are cheap souvenir versions as well. I would say those would be some of the things that would be like the common souvenirs. But we took a lot of way of just like hand-drawn artwork and stuff like that, which, yeah, like I mentioned, there's a lot of great Scottish local artists.

So as nomads, where are you guys sending this stuff back to? Yeah, so we'd send it back to. I think we sent our boxes back to my mom this time around. I think we've sent stuff to Kelly's parents as well in the past. And it's kind of like, well, we know we're going to settle down and have a home base at some point. and we want to have some of the stuff. I think especially with COVID, it feels very like a time in our lives that we'll want some memory of kind of that isn't like, you know, doom and gloom.

So, yeah, that's one of the challenges that I think we both, we're usually pretty stingy on buying souvenirs because we have to carry a lot of it around with us. But occasionally there'll be a place where it's just like, we love whatever it is that they have there so much that we just have to buy it and send it home and we'll figure out what to do with it later. Yeah, well, thank goodness for parents, because all my art is at my parents' house as well. And someday I'll have a home base, proper home base, and I can go and collect it, but I totally feel that. And now you guys are in Serbia. So did you want to say anything about your experience there? I know you just got there.

Yeah, it's an interesting experience. So we've kind of like been shifting to ever more obscure places as we've gone through COVID and like more. or place has been closed down. And so I mentioned before that we had been in Croatia for three months prior to this. And so we'd been in the Balkans already. And so Serbia is quite similar in many ways. I mean, especially where we were in split is a kind of distinctly different culture than elsewhere in the Balkans. And I think they have a, not that I would know, but even their dialect is very different

from elsewhere, even in Croatia. But yeah, here in in Belgrade, I'd heard good things about it in the past. Apparently, this again is not really something it's going to be known for now, but apparently it's like the party hub of Europe, like the best party town in Europe for nightlife. Obviously, that's not happening now. I'm not a huge party scene person anyway. So probably wouldn't be partaking too much even if that was going on. But I think it's like a really, I want to say like down to earth or unpretentious type of city. It feels like it's kind of grungy, but there's also a lot of cool stuff in terms of like, craft breweries and and coffee shops and things like that, that there's a lot of stuff kind of going on, but in an unpretentious way. Like it feels really down to earth. So, you know, we're enjoying our time here. People are a little non, not too careful about COVID. Like everything's still open. As we're recording right now, I know in many parts of the world, things are severely locked down. We were talking to friends who are still in Lisbon. And apparently there's police officers on the

street. Like if you leave your apartment for, you know, more than to go to the trash bin or whatever, they'll tell you to go back inside. And here, everything is open, indoor dining, which the numbers are still low, but it seems like Kelly got her haircut the other day and was asking her stylist about people's attitude here. And it seemed like it was kind of with everything that went on with the Balkan war so recently that people are just like, oh, yeah, just one more thing to go through. Like, we'll get through this just like we got through that. And so it's a bit of an interesting mentality for us as people who are probably a little bit more cautious than that. So it, Yeah, we're enjoying it here, but it's, yeah, it's definitely in a different kind of culture than we're used to.

Yeah. What has all of this travel taught you? What have these experiences? How have they affected, like, your perspective on life? Yeah, isn't that the ultimate question with travel? I feel like the thing that I've kind of taken away is that, like, none of the, there's, like, there's, like, like something behind all the cliche answers and they don't begin to do it justice at all. And I think it's hard to say like, I think so many like travel stories have similar morals and themes that

come out of them. And I think that a lot of times we almost start traveling like being predisposed to look for those things. And I think because of that, I think you can miss out on a lot of the more personal nuance, I would say. And so I think that for me like I don't notice this as much anymore and our travel style has definitely changed. But like patience has been a big thing that I've taken away from travel, especially when you are just like, you know, backpacking or kind of figuring things out on the fly and just being okay with things not going to plan because it definitely happens. I think the other thing is, I don't know, I feel like a lot of the lessons of travel are not necessarily always so much about travel, but there are things that you could take

those same lessons away from from living at home, but we just don't. Like there's, I think it's, it's around new experiences and that I feel like so many of the things that I've taken away from travel are just because I like, not was even forced to, to do something for the first time or have a new experience, but because there was just like less routine around my life that it was like, well, yeah, maybe I will try this. Whereas like when you were just working your, your office job and going about your daily routine and your same, you know, city that you live in. it's less likely for there to be disruptions to your routine and changes and things like that.

And I feel like a lot of the lessons have just been from trying new things that I could have done anywhere in the world. I could have stayed living in Vancouver and done so many of the things that I've done traveling and I would have learned the same things. And yet I probably wouldn't have. And so that's been something that's been interesting to me of like, oh yeah, I could have done all the stuff at home too and I would have grown as a person in the same way. And so I think that that's something that is, I don't know.

I think about that sometimes of like, well, what if I hadn't traveled but a just made more of an effort to intentionally do those things, like set a goal for myself. Like every month I'm going to like go to take a new class in something that I haven't done before or, you know, just make myself uncomfortable in some way to go meet new people or whatever that is. And I think it's easy to avoid doing that at home. It's harder to avoid and sometimes necessary to do while traveling. And so, yeah, I think that if you're someone who like wants that travel is part of travel

for you as like personal growth and new experiences, just. recognize that, like, that is something that you can do without traveling as well and is probably going to be maybe enriching in other ways than doing it in a foreign country as well. Yeah, so it sounds like travel is a reminder to live your life. Whereas when we're home, whereas when we're home, we kind of get stuck in our routines and think, oh, well, well, I'll save this for when, like, I'm on holiday or something like that, when really we should be introducing these new experiences into our everyday lives. Yeah, I like that.

All right, Jeremy, well, where can we learn more about you? Well, you can go to counterweightcreative.co slash postcard, and I'll have a bunch of links to stuff, ways to connect with me. I'll share my, I'll share a bunch of Google Maps. I'll put them up there, my list of like places in Edinburgh, in Lisbon, in, I'll see what else I have, probably in Split, Croatia. And I've got one started here for Belgrade, too. So I'll just share those Google Maps that anybody can access. I've got comments on a few different places of like, you know, the best coffee shops to go to and have that stuff there for if anybody listening ends up going to those places.

And if you do, I'd love to hear if they are still around, still up to the level that I talked them up in either this interview or the Google Map. And yeah, we'd just love to connect more there. Thank you so much, Jeremy. Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Sarah. All right, that's all for now. Go ahead and follow the show or hit subscribe so you can hear more episodes like this. and if you would like my help achieving more peace, happiness, and positive transformation in your life,

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