Cleared Hot - Powered By BRCC - Full Auto Friday - Round 90 with Jason Deneau

Episode Date: January 28, 2022

Rapid Fire Q and A to finish off the week: 1. I want to start jiu-jitsu, but I also want to continue strength training, how do I balance both 2. My daughter viewed a traumatic event and it is obviously impacting her, what should I do 3. I have just had a realization about my own mortality, how do I not waste the time I have left 4. I want to enlist in the military but I don't want to take the Covid vaccine, what would you do if you were in my shoes Enjoy

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I'm looking at danger close now. All right. It is just after four. I say we cap it at 30 minutes because we have a semi-professional basketball game to go watch. Soon to BWNBA. Is that still going on? Oh, yeah. We got game.

What do you think the pay game? differences between the NBA and the WMBA. Multiple of zero. Yeah. That's a different conversation. That's for another time. All right. I got four questions.

Try to get them diverse. Try to pick ones that fall into your wheelhouse a little bit. Because you just started Jiu-Jitsu, so we're going to start there. Okay. For people who don't know who you are, they can go fuck themselves because they should. Because I talk about my brother-in-law all the time. He's a fire captain in, like, actually not a... you're a captain in the San Diego City Fire Department.

I feel like Fire Captain means something different. When I write it on paper, I write Fire Captain. Yes. Because you don't want to be confused with another kind of captain, right? Fire Captain carries a little more weight, I think. All right, that's fair. If I go to a restaurant reservation, Fire Captain, Jason, to know your table's ready. I like it.

So, repeat guests, you were on with my dad. I actually think it might have been the first time I had him on. I'm not sure, but it was a great show. and he's a big fan. It was early. We did it in my office. That's right. With probably the boom headsets and just a little recorder.

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Here we go. Question one. I recently started my daughters, five and seven, in BJJ. I am starting this week as well. So it looks like the whole family is getting into this. In the past, you have mentioned you train BJJ and strength training in the beginning, or that I did do both in the beginning. Then you just switched to BJJ, which is true because I tried to lift weights heavy.

Well, you know, I worked for a crossword for a long time, so I came from the conditioning world. When I first started, I was trying to do both as hard as. I could, let me just tell you, it didn't work. Punishing. Oh, my God. Yeah. My theory was if I exhaust myself before class, there's no way that I could spaz out. Incorrect theory.

Right, right. What you can do is spas out so hard that you make yourself sick. Yeah. I've lived that life. Have you ever, though, after a class sat in your car and questioned as to whether or not you could drive home safely? Well, my schedule is I'm really fortunate. In the gym that I go to, I go right to work, but I can say I've driven down the street

to work and seen multiple. stars and wondering like if I hit someone am I covered right now? Am I under the influence somehow? But it's it can be very challenging. It usually takes me about an hour to kind of recover and lose the haze. How did you describe it last night? You finally had the shift between nausea and hunger. Yeah. Yeah. I almost I almost threw up while simultaneously having a cramp in my IT band. So yeah, I felt bad for the guy. But we worked it out. Yeah. If you could go back and restart, how would you balance BJ Day with strength training. It continues.

The BJ school we go to is only open two and maybe three days a week if we are lucky. It's the only gym within hours of us here at Iowa, and this is an interesting thing that people reach out about is they want to get started, but it's hundreds of miles until the nearest school. My plan is to train BJJ two days a week and strength train three days a week, focusing on the big barbell movements. I also get in one conditioning type of workout each week. any advice on this topic would be appreciated also which origin gee would you recommend for someone starting out what was your training regimen like well first off how long you been doing jiu jitsu four months now five months

uh well covey took me out for a month so about three months and um i was introduced to it through a friend matt mo's a captain also and uh he actually asked me 10 years ago and kind of say you want to you want to try jiu-jitsu and i just thought about like almost 40 at the time we don't why don't want to wrestle dudes like i don't and fights. You'd have the same color belt he would, more than likely, had you started. I can't wrap my head around that, yeah. He likes to remind me that though. Yeah, your friend, for clarity, is a black belt.

He's a black belt, yes. He enjoys smashing me, making me pay for my poor decisions. You could have been on that journey with him. Yes. So I'm getting on the bus rather late. But prior to this, a lot of my exercise, you know, I do a lot of cardio. I ride bikes a lot, I live in San Diego. And what happened is I was almost hit by a car in San Diego within a

a foot being run over by a woman trying to get a parking spot. And immediately I just, I was, I just, you know, I have two young kids and family and said, you know, I can't, it's not worth the risk. And I had this void. And when I came up here and watched you and Leah roll or trained, you guys, she was teaching over there. And then just by chance came across Matt serendipitously. And he recommended, hey, you want to come back out.

So I had a pretty good cardio going into it. And working at the fire station, we get an. hour day to work out. Relatively physical job. Yeah, exactly. And I feel this is 16 years now in the fire department, and I've kept up on trying to be healthy. I've got some really young motivated firefighters, and so we lift weights.

But the catch to that, and you've seen it, you've experienced it, I think my understanding is that a lot of new people, especially people who have strength, rely on. that strength. And it's in I was talking to Lee about it and I was telling her how, you know, when I roll with a lot of people, they'll say like, oh, wow, yeah, like you're new, but man, you're strong. And she was saying how that's almost an insult because that strength gets in the way of your progression. BJJ was never designed to be the strongest. Like it's all. It was the opposite actually, the weaker opponent being able to overcome and submit a stronger opponent. Yeah. So I think

I think the inherent issue in the question is whether or not, if you have a limited amount of time, I think straight training is always important, especially anything where you can work on grip strength. But I think cardio is just as important

flexibility. I find that I get into positions that my body is just like after years of lifting and doing the standard, you know, dead lifts or push-ups. You just get really tight and and like you said last night and in jiu-jitsu being able to relax and be the waterbed versus the board it's a lot harder to move a water bed than it is to move a board so i think that

i think that you know some strength training is good but also mix that in with with flexibility and cardio and you know you're not going to be able i'm learning i get smashed every day and i'm learning you can't you can't strength your way out of it there's always someone. Isn't it fun to try though? It's it's it's fun to try but that's how you almost end up throwing up on someone. There's one thing missing from this question that would let me give them a better answer and that's their age. Oh yeah. So five and seven let's say they started having kids. Well shit that could have started when they were 16. Let's assume 22. So it'd be 29. I think you could get away with both. And if you could only train jiu-jitsu a few days a week, I absolutely

would supplement. But I, when you're starting off, I would back off on the weight training and go at 50% of what you think, because it's more taxing than I actually thought it was going to be. When I first, I did exactly the same thing. I lived my entire adult life around a weight stack in the SEAL teams because we got more than an hour a day. It was like all day, every day, back and buys, chest and tries, go get some repeat over two decades. Yeah, beach workout. Yeah. Leg day was running on the beach with your shirt off. Maybe, maybe a touch of coconut. Oil, hard to say, just for the sheen. Yeah.

But you will, and I've seen this and I saw it in myself, if you come at it with only strength, you're going to glass ceiling out really fast. But what you will do is fuck up a lot of people who are about your size or smaller and less athletic. But if you keep with your attributes and they commit themselves to actually learning, you're going to have about a six-month title shot victory on them. And then after that, the nerd assassin is going to come out and take that strength. and just spaghetti noodle you.

Yeah, I agree. And then they've got six months of hatred where you've been smashing him with your strength. I'm like, oh, okay, we'll try it now. Yeah, I agree. And I do think age is a really good point. We don't know how old he is, but if he's younger, yeah, it's... The younger you are, the more you can get away with doing both.

The older you are, I'd be very cautious with excessive amounts of strength training and just starting off Jiu-Jitsu because both are going to tax you. I literally made myself sick, and after that, I backed off. And to be honest, my body is feeling better than it has in a long time by backing off of the heavier weights. Yeah. And like I was talking about my friend Matt, we roll together quite a bit. Like he said, he is a black belt. What would the higher belt seem to do with people who are making the mistake I'm making is they're just going to wait you out.

Oh, yeah. You cannot go 100% for five minutes. Or redirect the strength. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, they use it against you. Which origin Ghee would you recommend for someone starting out?

Man, I'm not an expert on these. Do you like the Gis that I sent you? Amazing. Softest key I've ever had. Do you remember what they're called, though? So there's the Rift, which is like a nine-panel kimono top, and I swear to God, it feels like a tary cloth. It's amazing.

But it is my understanding, and I'd have to check with Pete on this to confirm, that it's not IB, J, J, J, F, legal. It has too many panels. The ones that I sent you are, and I want to say that they're there, the DNA ghee, I think. I can tell you the name. I know that there are quite a few panels, but I agree.

It comes out of the package, just one of the softest things you own. So for this person, if you go to their website, there's a logo in the top center of the shoulder blades that is the origin logo, and it goes through all the colors of the belts. And that's the best description I can give you of that key because I can't remember the name. There's one on the front panel also. Yes. There's another O. Yep. So that is what I would recommend.

All right, question two. Long time listener, first time messaging. I served as a volunteer firefighter for 11 years and worked my way up the rank up to the rank of captain before leaving two years ago. My daughter was born while I was on the department. So she spent her first five years of life around that environment. Luckily, she never asked about the stuff I did or saw. And I never make a point of saying certain things around her. Well, all of that changed on Sunday.

Her and my one-year-old son went and spent the night at my mom's house who lives out of town. While I was pulling into the truck stop where we normally meet up with them, a drive-by shooting happened right in front of me. Multiple patients were hit in one state trooper who happened to be in the same parking lot, clear the area, and started to apply first aid. So it was him and a cop, sounds like. Ran across the street and offered my assistance to him. I acknowledge who I was. And in his words, he was a former combat medic and let's get to work. Well, while this was going on, my mother pulled into the truck stop with my kids and my daughter saw me working on the worst patient who was struck multiple times.

I wasn't able to call my parents and tell them to turn around because everything was happening so quickly. And now she's acting up crying for me not to leave her when I drop her off at tutoring and when I have to go to work. I'm now worried that this might be her way of expressing what she has seen. My question is, how should I go about this? Should I call her school and have the counselor talk to her and just see what happens? over the next few days. My wife even has a counseling problem at the hospital she works at. Thanks in advance. So essentially, this person, I'll paraphrase, a little chunky on the writing, their kids or his kids got some insight into the downside of what you guys do for living. So a

trauma situation, and they're having some issues with it. And this actually leads me to another question about how you talk about your job with your kids based off the question we had talked about before the woman, I think it was from last week who had incredible anxiety listening for her boyfriend's name or voice on the repeater, which again, I'm going to recommend not doing that. Let's work it backward. How do you talk with your kids about the potential danger at your work? You know, I would say that when it comes to the specifics, and just so everyone knows, my children are 10 and 8. I feel like there's a huge filter,

and the stories that I will come home and tell are usually the funny ones. They'll often ask, oh, what was the thing you did yesterday? And, you know, I try to find some part that's age appropriate to tell them. In this case, you know, that for a child to see that, and then to have, you know, their parent being there in this horrific situation. I mean, ideally, his mother would have just driven away. We'll go on calls and let's say this is a, you know, pretty horrific situation, but we've been on them where mom or dad OD and they're in the house and the whole family's in there and it's emotional and people aren't aware,

but there will be a group of kids right there watching. So I think my inherent go to is get them out. They're not... Remove the kids from the situation. Exactly. Like, we'll walk in the room and is a captain now, after having been the primary medic and the engineers, just kind of taking scene survey, what's going on in here? And if I see those kids, even before we start, you know, working the adult, it's like,

hey, they don't need to see this, whatever's going to happen. So I think I try to keep it. separate but as we talked earlier on this trip my son now is having some anxiety I did a school visit brought our at my SCBA and all my turnouts and and and while going over the functions of the SCBA it said well this is an alarm and if we don't move for 10 seconds it's going to alarm because it lets all of our buddies know where we are and they can get us and uh maybe I shouldn't have said that because it's now in his mind he's like well what if they don't don't find you and that obviously wasn't my intention.

And so trying to sue that over, you just see that you forget that it, you know, it's an eight-year-old and they obviously are going to have some anxiety, you know, especially in this case. So gosh, that's, I would, I would recommend that they take that child to a therapist because you don't, it doesn't sound like he's still working as a cat, like he's done something else. It sounds like he moved on, but he was in a situation. whereas job skills were beneficial. So I think that's a little easier to spin

because I think you can create a point with the child, hopefully, of like, hey, that was just daddy helping out, I don't do that anymore, and turning it into a positive, like that's what we do, we help people, talk about the benefits of maybe there were survivors and what they did was good, and maybe if she gets older, she'll understand that. But I think he's got a little bit of an advantage over my situation

that he can say, you know, now I'm doing something else, and that threat isn't there. But, man, I would, I'd probably recommend professional help for the, for the kid. Even if it's for a few visits. I mean, what's the downside of that, right? Nothing. But the upside is you could potentially get in front of a issue that would fester. Right.

Later on, what do you guys do? I would imagine, you know, in Carorex, the parents are usually up front with the kids in the back. If you guys ever encounter situations where everybody in front isn't alive anymore, but the kids in the back are? Yeah. How do you deal with that? Remove from the situation. Yeah. Yeah.

There's, yeah, unfortunately, we've had those. That's usually like an auto. Yeah. We've actually had an OD though like that. Both parents OD and there's a kid that calls and sees, you know, finds the parents. And, you know, it's get the kid out. The kid doesn't need to be in the environment anymore. And then honestly, it's just that support.

support being, but one of the benefits of being in a big metropolitan area like San Diego is it helps coming, right? So PD's going to be there. They're going to bring their psychiatrist. So they're going to get help, but it's that gap until the professionals show up that can really treat that. And it's just, you just treat it like a human. It's just, you know, you just feel gutted for the kid. And sometimes it's just hugging the kid or sometimes it's. Do you tell the truth if they ask if their parents are dead? I do. I do. I do that for regardless. You know, that's actually a good question. I think it'd be at a certain age, I would just wait. Let's just you need to talk to someone. Well, at a certain age, or up until a certain age, they're not going to understand anyway. Right. You know, and that was actually a big, I realize this, my department does a pretty good job preparing people for the role of what you're going to do next. And so as far as like, you know, running a fire or managing people, I felt prepared for that. The one thing that was really challenging was the actual, especially during the beginning of COVID, being a new captain was telling people, when you're the medic or the other firefighter or the engineer, you're on the ambulance, you're very task oriented. And you're just looking at this person and everything. It's just algorithms.

Okay, we're going to do this. We're going to do this. and it's really it's it's it's a great tool because it takes the emotion out of it you're just looking at the monitor you're looking at the patient okay so what we're going to you forget sometimes that like hey this is this is someone's daughter someone's husband um and as a captain like i you know i'm i'm kind of surveying the scene if they need anything but they're pretty self-sufficient the team especially when the ambulance gets there so i was i was finding myself with family members for 45 minutes, an hour. And they're telling you all, they're telling you all those things that you don't know. Like, we've been married 30 years or they just graduated high school. So, you know, as a human, you're starting to think,

oh, okay, this is starting to hit me a little different than just focusing on, like, what drug do we give next? Yeah. But then vice versa, I think it can be, I take pride in it and that I'm interpreting what they're seeing, happen to their loved one because sometimes we're drilling into their knee we're shocking them we're shoving a tube down their throat

and they don't know maybe they have no medical experience so what I try doing that spot is just like kind of okay hey this is what's happening this is what we're seeing and you can kind of get a feel for like are we gonna get you know you kind of after a while doing this job like I think we might get pulses back

and you can start prepping them but you can also start prepping them the other way like hey we're doing everything we can this is what they be getting in the hospital they're not responding and you just plant that little seed so then all of a sudden it's not a hammer but the point

you know that that that's a really if it's anyone older and they ask and people go through that you'll see the denial stage and I'll just tell them like I don't sugarcoat it they've passed and because I don't

I think that you're doing them a disservice by saying anything else there should be no gray let them start processing that grief as soon as they don't give them a term where they could go either way with it right right just be straight forward with them. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a,

empathetic way. Yes. This one is, uh, a captain than I did the whole, you know, at least. I, had this revelation that I am not sure what to do with or how to unpack it. The revelation is a rather profound one and inspires me, to take immediate action. Yet here I am caught flat, footed, rooted in position, staring at a crossroad. Dramatic. While flipping through the gram, which we can assume is Instagram, rather nonchalantly, someone said these words. You only get 75 years. Since I was a kid, I always kind of worked on 100. So this statement kind of stopped my mind cold. Okay. They took one third or one quarter of their number away. At the moment of writing this, I'm 40 years old. This made me take a quick.

look inside of myself. Am I happy with the path my life is on? Am I happy with the person I am? Is the path I'm on going to take me where I want to be in 25 years? Am I happy? 25 years is not a lot of time. I don't want to waste it. How do I best use this time and be happy, productive person who gives back? Wishing and hoping are not courses of actions. This I know. That being said, I'm kind of at a loss of where I should start. I've heard an analogy about taking on a task that seems to be. big. It goes like this. How do you eat an elephant one bite at a time? So I'm thinking by one might be asking myself these questions and more of having the courage to answer them honestly by two possibly altering the course to start actioning the answers to those questions,

to be continued, I guess. That's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. It's like I said, for whatever random reason I was thinking about mortality. I think it was today. And the number I had thought was it was 80. I'm like, fuck. Years. 80 years. So if you only get 80, I'm 44 now. I'm going to turn 45 this year.

I'm already halfway through the journey. I was going to be like, I was like, oh, I'll just say 90. So that way I'm not halfway. But then I realized the odds of that shit's pretty low. I might be lucky to get 65, but I have a different theory on how I'll arrive at that 65 that's just very banged up. Your dad's doing good at 75. So you've got the genetics, right? So I've got the genetics, but this is one that I think can spin people out.

I think it can spin them into incredible levels of motivation or it could also throw them into this place of, I don't know what to do. My life is lost and I'm not going to do anything. How much time do you think spending about your mortality? Me? How long? Well, I think most people, and I'm not,

I'm saying this very humbly, most people when I tell them that I'm almost 50, that I'm 48, they're surprised. Because one of the benefits of working in the fire department is we do get to work out and stay in shape, and it's always been important to me. But that said, you know, maybe 30 more years. I think 80's like a good number.

We have a higher risk of cancer. Who knows? Yeah. But I don't think. And honestly, for me, like, once you get past that 80, 85 mark, it's like, what are you looking forward to? It's like dinner at 4. Yeah. Putting it 4.15. Which one do you want?

Quantity of life or quality of life? You know what I mean? I'd go with less years, but higher quality. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. There was a thing, I forget, I was watching something, it was a, if it was a alpinist or a climber or a snowboarder, but there was a woman. And she performed a really high level. And then she got really sick. And she had a really bad experience with cancer, but survived. And the person that was writing the article was saying that, you know, he felt compelled to ask. are like, well, you've gone through this experience. What's the meaning of life? And her reply, I don't think she replied right away. I think she replied the next day, but she said,

the secret of life is to live life and to experience it while being nice to people. And, you know, we've, we've, I think I'm really lucky. I think that things, just for me personally, that make me happy is a sense of community, a sense of making a difference, a sense of belonging. But then having this opportunity to live life, to come here, snowboard, do jitsu for a week. I mean, you have to, I think a lot of people get so caught up and they're, what identifies them.

And we talked about this a little bit earlier is their job. Oh, I'm a, I'm a seal. I'm a firefighter. Well, okay, that's what you do, but who are you? What do you do outside of that? We shouldn't identify ourselves by our jobs. And, you know, this question, I'm not sure if he's, it kind of sounds like it's job related. I would, I would reduce this question down to, how do you not waste the time you have left?

Man, it, structure. Structure or the advice I would give this person is instead of looking it as you have 100 years or 80 and you're halfway through, what if you knew you only had, one. Would there be things that you wanted to knock off your bucket list? And if there were, what I would say is stop thinking about how much time you may have left because you could get Zed out, walk into your car or across the street today, get started on them and enjoy the journey along the way. You'll probably never finish them all on the bucket list. But I know one thing for myself, I don't want to be on my deathbed full of regret. Like, I'm going to have the fucking carrot cake. Yeah. Oh, for sure. You know, full cake. Full cake. I'm not splitting this one.

Breakfast, lunch, dinner. Yeah. It's going to be rough. on the way in and the way out, but that's okay. That's the thing. I mean, I see a lot of people who, and this has happened to me before, too. They'll put something that they want to do years away, but the goal post moves as they get old next year, next year, next year. And then, like I said, maybe you have 80, maybe you have 55. I mean, who knows? Get started now.

Determine what it is that those things that you want to do when you get to the end of the lap and start cracking away at them. That's the advice I would give. Yeah, and I think I like the, I like having the really large. It's hard. I think I'm thinking about this obviously to my own lens, but you've got like the, hey, we're going to do, we're going to try to do go snowboarding in Japan in five years. But next year, let's try to go to Canada or let's try to go to Montana. So figure out what you love, figure out what your passion is. And you don't have to put all the eggs in the basket for the Mount Everest.

You know, you can, I think having, for me, having those, those vacations or those little achievements you're trying to knock off, you know, in between. Yeah. I think you said it. You got to live life. Yeah. It's, I mean, if they gave me a choice, I could be 110, but I had to live my life in a rubber room and have no experiences. Or I could be 70 and just ring life out. Quality over quantity.

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. All right, final question. I'm a 31-year-old male who was in the process of enlisting in the military. The process started roughly three years ago when I attempted to join the Air Force and was medically disqualified twice. Since then, I moved my packet to the Army, where I've been approved after waivers and will be swearing in shortly. I've avoided the COVID shot and I'm a proud COVID survivor.

I'm proud COVID survivor. I have not heard that term yet. And proudly wear my ribbon everywhere. Hopefully this is obvious sarcasm. Do we have a color for the COVID? I know that it is a requirement to get the shot in order to join the military. Essentially, I'm asking, what would you do in my position? I'm more against the shot being required on principle because of the liberties and rights we have, in parentheses, and our government should be honoring in our country.

A secondary concern is the seeming lack of long-term knowledge around the effects of the shot. It seems safe, and I'm less concerned about that, but I have natural immunity to the virus now, and I am. a very low risk demographic. The military is something I've wanted to do for a long time and I'm uprooting my life as a 31-year-old male to make this change because I know that if I don't, I will regret looking back later in life. I've all but made it my mind, but I'm very curious to hear your thoughts and what you think you would do. Thanks for taking the time to read this. All the best. Wow.

There are a lot of people who have a version of this question in the world right now. Uh, San Diego City Fire. What do they require to go into the academy right now? Vaccinated. You, if you got hired today, you would have to be vaccinated. Okay. I'm assuming PD probably the same. I would assume.

Military are the same. Some government or federal jobs are the same. And there are people who are looking at trying to make these changes. And that is the hiccup or speed bump that they're kind of grinding on the bottom of the car. What advice would you give? You know, I think I have more, it's more complicated when it's someone who's put their time in. We have a lot of. You're talking about a guy with a decade under their belt or something like that?

Who didn't sign up for this right away. Oh, they're changing. You mean the rules are now being changed. Yeah, right, right. So they've, they've done their time, say they put 10 years in or five years. And when they were hired, it wasn't a requirement. and we've had the pandemic and now they, for the first

year and a half, there was no vaccine and they proudly served and they put themselves at risk and some of them got COVID. And now we're at a point where they're saying, hey, well, you need to get this now

or you're going to lose your job. And so someone in that situation, that's complicated. Well, robs them of making their ability to make an educated decision. Yeah. This person has the opportunity to decide. Exactly.

Yeah, that's a good point. So it's simple to, I mean, it's rather simple to me. You just have to decide what's more important. I mean, you're, you're going to go, when this happened with us with the city, we were told, they were said, hey, look at, there's not much that the unions can do to fight this. This is a hundred-year precedent. They've got, the state's got the right to do this. And for a thousand-person union, we're not.

We can't take that on. But that's very different than this case where, look, the government feels they have a right to make this choice. And what are you willing to sacrifice to give? If this is a career position, like what's more right to you? He has the ability to say, hey, well, you know what? My personal freedom is more important. But, I mean, you can attest to this. If you're talking about personal freedoms, the military is not the first thing that.

There will probably be other things in his career. if he does go down that pathway where you're going to learn real quick, you don't have much of a choice. Quite a few. And one of the first thing that's going to happen in any boot camp is you're going to run the gauntlet of the shot lines. I'm a highly vaccinated person. My parents had me, you know, vaccinated from probably smallpox when I was young or whatever normal vaccinations could be able to chicken pox. Chicken pox. But one of your first days, I can only speak from Navy boot camp. Yeah, they have like, you weren't in the gauntlet. It's just air guns.

Shit's bleeding and then they give you the penicillin one in the ass. You feel great after that. Oh, yeah. You feel like you're going to die. You feel like your insides are burning, but the outsides are burning just a little bit more. And you can't opt out of that. You cannot opt out of that. But I also haven't had the COVID vaccine. I've had COVID twice.

And I have no intention of getting the vaccine. But I also have no intention of telling anybody else whether or not they're right or wrong to do so because they should be able to make an educated decision. I am at a point in my life where I get to choose. And I don't know if I could have said it better than you. Do you? People have to decide what it means to them. So if I was in this person's position, I'm looking at my younger self now. Say I was 18 getting ready to join the Navy because I wanted to be a seal. I would, that's the only thing. That was like the primary desire in my life. I would have accepted whatever risk is associated with the vaccine and gone and pursued that. With the relationship,

with the realization that once you're in the military, you're in the military so shit can change. They've got your ass. Once you make the decision and you cross the threshold, you don't get to moonwalk back out of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I'm vaccinated. Have booster still got COVID, got real sick.

But I can tell you if I were to go back in time and that person that they offered me this job as a firefighter, if they had said, hey, okay, we just got to get this vaccine. This is the last thing. Oh, give it to me right now. Yeah. You know, I mean, you, but, you know, that's up to the individual.

And I, I, when I think about careers that epitomize sacrifice, military's at the top. So that's something where you're putting something ahead of yourself. And why not start with that decision right now if it's that important to you? It's not that important to you, personal freedom, and that's fine. Everyone has their own path. Maybe think, maybe that's not the best path. Yeah. It's, guy, there's so many people in different versions of this.

I'm at risk of losing my job for the company that I work for. Or I want to start a new career. I hadn't thought about it a lot from the perspective of the people who've been doing it for a long time and not having the choice versus those who are looking at starting. I wonder if it would be better for organizations. Do you think it'll change policy for San Diego for the fire department where they'll say, hey, now as part of the hiring process, like in the future of something like this happens again, these types of vaccinations will be mandatory? Just to give them a heads up going forward? Well, I think that it's always. Yeah, but I think I do.

I think that has been there because when we were, when we applied and going through the process, we had to submit our vaccination record. So who could have seen this coming? Like, oh, there's going to be a new vaccine? So maybe a reminder. But that's the hard pill to swallow are the health care workers, the doctors, the nurses. And for whatever personal reason, they're saying like, hey, I don't want to do this. But they've been there before the vaccine, since the vaccine. They've gotten COVID.

and it's such a dynamic environment when you talk about past exposures because now you've got this huge bell-shaped curve. Every individual is going to be different. How intense was their exposure? What was their, what's their antibody level now? You know, and it's unfortunately, they deserve that time to look at everyone, but I don't think the institutions, the government, have any interest in it. I think they're just trying to make the simplest, Okay, vaccines, done. We don't have to think about it anymore. And unfortunately, it causes a lot of controversies because it's probably not the best plan.

Well, especially given, as your example, double vaccinated with a booster and a micron was like, yeah, hold my beer. Crush me. Yeah. So I'm saying. Crush me. Yeah. But that's also variable with people who have had natural immunity too. There's too many, like, they don't know the exact efficacy of the booster, nor do they know the long-term tolerances of natural.

I was listening to Rogan's podcast where the doc was on saying, hey, the data shows if you've had natural immunity, you cannot get COVID again, essentially. And that was right before the omicron strain came out. And he's got since then is like, whoa, just so everybody knows. I was talking about this before the information because things change. I had national immunity. Yeah. And got it again too. Yeah.

So. Yeah. I mean, we've, we've all had to have a lot of patients. Things have changed from the very beginning. you know this last one allegedly if you had a prior exposure you were you were more immune to omicron than the vaccine yeah so there's so many factors and it's all above my pay grade but i just i do sympathize with the people who have really stuck their neck out to do the best that they can during this and are now finding out they may not be able to keep their job yeah it's rough

What else you got? That was all four questions. I told you like 30 minutes. I'm mentally exhausted after this week and then this. This is good week. We got to get an extra on the calendar. Yes, absolutely. Cool.

All right, man. Let's go watch WMBA game. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yep.