Clinton Jaws - How To Make Money Resisting Arrest
Episode Date: April 18, 2021Clinton Jaws, Former Police Officer speaks about criminals and civilians making money by resisting arrest. Nearly all Bodycam footage has one thing in common. The bad guy resists arrest. Bad things... happen when you resist arrest. Either the bad guys makes a mistake or the police officer. I talk about the George Floyd case, Dante Wright shooting, Chief Adam Allen and Officer Mark Pierce in Halifax arrest that landed him an assault charge and of course the soldier U.S. Army Lt. Caron Nazario who was peppered sprayed by Virginia Police Officers when he refused to exit his vehicle. On December 5 2020 Nazario failed to stop for police resulting in a police pursuit, Nazario being peppered sprayed and a police officer losing his job. Nazario is seeking one million dollars in damages. #policebreakdown #clintonjaws #police podcast call my hotline number 604-330-2512 https://www.clintonjaws.com/ https://open.spotify.com/show/3hWntbop6gLEg6RFR0aOzJ https://www.facebook.com/clinton.jaws.7/ https://twitter.com/ClintonJaws
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Clinton Jaws here. That's who I am. Retired. I'm a retired police officer. I'm not a police officer anymore. Makes me a civilian.
Thanks for tuning in. I'm out of breath already.
What hell is that? I got the window open. I don't know if you could hear the traffic. There's traffic around me. Guys? You know what?
People? Ladies? Guys and ladies? I was going to name my channel Stop Resisting. That's what I was going to name it. If you guys have been watching for a long time, you'll notice that my banner used to say Stop Resisting.
because I was going to use my name, Clinton Jaws.
Or I was going to call it Stop Resisting because why was I going to call it that, right?
Every time, I created this channel to break down police videos.
It's turning into something different.
I'm doing that.
I'm not really not hardly even doing that anymore.
I'm just talking about the RCMP.
I'm talking about politics, which I know nothing about.
I really know nothing about it.
Every single time I break down a police video, there's always 99% of,
center of the time it's because people are resisting that's all people do now they resist you resist
the public goes crazy the enemy is the cop the criminal is the hero cop goes to jail cop gets sued
the criminal makes money i mean you could go on forever it's a i'm i haven't been on here for a week
It's kind of like, I don't know, I think things are just kind of grossing me out lately, like what I'm watching.
What I've been doing, it's coming up to a year now.
It'll be a year in July that I've been doing this, but every single time.
And it started with Chief Adam Allen, all of Canada up in a roar,
outraged, offended, shocked from the way that Chief Allen was taken down.
Sir, just return to you, people out come talk to a minute.
Okay, let's fucking leave us alone.
Okay, don't fucking stop behind us like you.
You're fucking watching us.
You're fucking right.
It's fucking awkward.
You and I.
We're going to have a fucking problem.
Right here.
You and I.
Have the fucking crap.
The guy acted like a complete fool.
Complete fool.
Charge has dropped against the guy.
And he's going to get some money.
He's going to get some money from it.
He's going to get some money out of it.
Dante Wright.
Officer Porter.
Fired.
Probably going to jail.
Charge was some sort of murder.
down there in America.
It wouldn't have happened.
If Dante Wright didn't resist.
I know.
I know what you're thinking.
What would you say?
You can't say that.
Well, I said it.
It's the truth.
Did he deserve to die?
No, of course not.
The cop screwed up.
She made a mistake.
I wouldn't have made it.
Most cops wouldn't have.
She thought it was a taser.
She shoots and kills him.
Wouldn't have happened if he
didn't resist.
And it wouldn't have happened if she was,
if she would have retired a year earlier.
Happens more often than not, guys.
More often than not. It happens. It happens quite.
I remember when I was in Duncan, there was a Victoria cop.
His name was Mike Miller.
He thought he was using his taser, ended up shooting the guy.
Why am I talking about Dante Wright? I don't even want to talk about Dante Wright.
It makes me sick. That whole, that whole case makes me sick.
Two lives destroyed.
A young guy in his 20s.
And a female officer for making that mistake, life destroyed.
26 years she had.
So that doesn't make me feel good.
That shouldn't make anybody feel good.
Why am I talking about this?
Okay, let's...
If Dante was my son...
Okay, let's just take Dante out of that.
My son's name is Colson.
If Colson grows up and he gets firearms and he becomes a bad man, he becomes a criminal, he becomes a drug dealer, he becomes really bad.
And I watch him on TV getting shot by a police officer.
I know for a fact because I know me that I wouldn't be blaming the police officer.
I'd be blaming my son and I would be saying sorry.
Sorry that my son put you in that position to make a mistake.
I would be going to the court.
When they go to try her,
I'd get up.
I'd get up and I'd say, sorry, I don't want to see you going to prison.
This shouldn't have happened.
It happened because he was on the wrong side of the tracks.
Do cops need to be better trained?
Of course they do.
But holy shit, man.
A lot of cops out there are pulling out their guns,
when they're supposed to be pulling out the,
taser and they get mixed up. Why do you get mixed up? I don't know. Maybe there's a lot of tools, right?
You got pepper spray, you got a gun. You got an arcane. You got a baton. You got a flashlight.
You got a taser. What else can we get? We got a badge cam. What are we going to hit and tap and
grab? There's a lot of shit going on. And we're not trained enough. They're not trained enough
to use those tools. You don't train with it at all. Let's be honest. At all.
When a cop starts a shift for 12 hours, the first two hours should be on training.
I'm not sticking up for the police officer that made the mistake.
And I'm not sticking up for the bad guy.
You resist the arrest.
Because that's what they do.
They resist arrest.
They resist arrest.
You're forced to make a split second decision and you hope that's right every single time.
George Floyd.
We wouldn't be here today if George Floyd wasn't high out of his tree.
because he would have got in the back of the patrol vehicle.
But he's high as fuck.
Why else we...
And what you're saying is...
Well, we're here because he stood...
He basically stood on his neck.
When an actual factor was more on his back,
there's so much you can say about it.
He was resisting.
Again, resisting.
Every single case, it's resisting.
Mark Pierce in Halifax.
Halifax PD has the right to a right to a...
arrest a kid who wasn't white for causing a disturbance goes hands on with a kid because you have to
I can go outside if I want to.
Really?
For what?
For speaking my mouth?
No.
For speaking?
Really.
Don't you touch me.
Don't you touch me.
Don't you touch me.
What are you doing?
For what?
For what?
He's not going to listen to you.
He's not going to put his arms behind his back.
The kid gets a bloody finger.
nail. Mark Pierce, arrested for assault, gun taken away, badge taken away. Of course, the kid doesn't have any
charges against them. When you go hands on with somebody, it's not your fault if they resist.
When they resist, you have to one-up them. If you mirror their behavior, if they're being resistance,
and you mirror their resistance, you're going to have a little fight. You have to one-up them.
if somebody is running away you tackle them you don't run with them i don't know why i just said that but
it was in my head so i threw it out there so when mark goes and grabs onto this kid the kid's being
resistant so what do you do you got to get control of him you take him to the ground all these cases
are the same they're all similar and i'm about to show you another one we're playing dumb will get you a million
bucks and it's like a lot of people are playing dumb they they know they can go out and about and
get money because the politicians are for them civilians are for them you want to you want to make
some easy money just come in contact with police and resist a little bit you're almost better
not to go hands on anymore you're almost better to tell george floyd okay go ahead walk away
I know you committed a crime
You tried to pass a fake 20
I won't do my job
And I'll allow you to walk away
You don't think Derek Chauvin is thinking that
Like if I would have just let him walk away
Yeah
Well you let him walk away
Then he walks 200 feet and overdoses and dies
You're going to jail anyways, right?
It's almost like you can't win
You can't win
Would I have done what Derek did?
I don't know
I don't know
I had a mob in front of me
a crowd that wasn't happy with me
I'm focusing on George Floyd
and the crowd
I think I would have
did something different
I don't know what that is exactly
I don't know
I probably
I mean they're saying
everybody's focused on it you got to turn him on his side
that's why he's going to be found guilty
a manslaughter
because he didn't turn him on the side
but I bet you he didn't want to work that
day. I bet you he wishes he never worked that day. Porter, holy shit. You know, you got to be thinking,
why didn't I just let him go? Because that's what it's come down to now. You want us to let them go.
That's what you want. There has to be room for mistakes here. There has to be, because cops are
going to, I don't know, there has to be room. There has to be room for failure where it's not going to
cost you your job or put you in prison. We're all imperfect human beings.
Does Chauvin have a murderous bone in his body?
I don't know.
Probably not.
Does Porter?
Second degree mans.
I don't even know what they call it down there.
Third degree manslaughter or something like that.
And then there's people that say, well, that's what you signed up for.
That's what you signed up for.
Sure.
You're better off.
You're better off to just let crime happen.
Don't touch them.
Nobody's backing you guys.
Nobody's helping you guys out.
You know what's funny?
On the RCMP test, they have two sections.
RCMP application test.
Judgment and logic.
What is judgment and logic anymore?
What is it?
You follow the judgment.
Even if you don't make a mistake,
you got people that are judging you with their logic.
Crazy lunatic logic.
Civilians, politicians.
So why is judgment and logic even on the test?
that even makes sense? Whose judgment and logic? I know I'm trying to say something here and I know it
doesn't make any sense. He's, I can't get the words out, but that made no sense. Let's just watch this
stupid ass video. It came out a week ago or something like that. I wondered it happened. It happened
December 5th, 2020. It's involving an army guy. See, I'm already, I'm already annoyed that I'm
going to watch this. I don't. Maybe I need to take a two-week break. But it just makes it just gets me
going. It gets me going when I'm thinking about this case. What's his name? What's his name? Karen
Nazaro. Karen Nazero in Virginia, okay? He's an army guy. He's in the military. Something to do with
Army. He's a lieutenant. He's driving around Virginia. The video starts off with a white cop pointing a gun
at Cairn, who is black.
That's how it starts off.
Why they didn't show any of the pursuit,
nobody's talking like this.
Nobody's even, you've seen this on the news already.
Not one person is saying it was a pursuit.
The police officer turns on his lights and sirens.
This guy doesn't pull over for over a mile.
Could have easily pulled over multiple times.
And he said later,
it wasn't safe to pull over.
I didn't feel like pulling over.
What do you call that?
It's a pursuit, but nobody's talking about it.
Failed to stop for police.
He's not even charged.
This guy's not even charged with that.
So as a police officer, when you're pursuing somebody and they're not stopping, it gets a heart rate going.
It's a high risk situation.
The police officer involved in this gets fired from his job.
Now, let's watch the worst acting I've ever seen.
The worst acting, guys.
You've got to watch this.
It's enough to make you sick to the stomach.
Put your hands out of the window.
Put your hands out the window.
Put your hands out the window.
Put your hands out the window.
Turn the vehicle off. Put your hands out the window.
Put your hands out the window.
Put your hands out the window and turn the vehicle off.
Put your hands out the window.
He's not complying, Judge.
Yeah, he's not complying, right? Why would he?
He doesn't have to.
The politicians say I don't have to.
Would you do this if you got pulled over by the police?
This is the shit that happens when you resist and you don't listen to police.
Do you have to listen to police?
Yes, you do have to listen to police.
You have to stop for police.
You're detained right now.
Get out of the vehicle.
Won't get out of the vehicle.
Weird, isn't it?
A little bit weird?
No, this guy has a point to prove.
Here's his point.
Watch.
Come around your side.
Let me see your hands.
How many occupants are in the vehicle?
I'm going to pretend I don't even really know what's going on.
You know what I mean?
What's going on here?
What's going on?
What's going to?
I'm going to.
I'm going to speak really soft so you can barely hear me and make as though that nothing's
I haven't done anything wrong what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on here he doesn't know
what's going on playing dumb will make you rich I'm going to turn my video camera on because I don't know
what's going on he's a lieutenant he knows exactly what's going on exactly what's going on everybody
knows what's going on you're getting pulled over did you have to stop for the police you have to listen to what
they say. You're not going to though. How many occupants are in your vehicle? It's only myself. Why are your
weapons drawn? What's going on? If this doesn't drive you crazy, there's something wrong with you right now.
The door slowly and step out. Open the door. I'm not getting out the vehicle. What's going on?
He's not going to get out of the vehicle. Everybody's in favor of it. A cop got fired because of this.
Jerk. Nobody cares about that. Get out of the car. Open the door slowly and get out. What's going on?
Get out of the car. Now! Now!
Open the door, get out of the car.
Hold, hold, hold, hold.
Keep your hands outside the window.
Keep your hands outside the window.
My hands are right here.
What's going on?
My hands are right here and I'm cool.
I'm cool where I am and what do you expect to happen when you don't listen to police?
And they're ramped up like that because they have every right to be ramped up like that.
They were just in a pursuit.
Police officers trying to do a job.
Amping up the situation this guy is amping up.
it up. Won't let the police officers do their job. This guys is how you make money.
Car now. Get out of the car. Now. What's going on? Get out of the car now.
I'm serving this country and this is how I'm treated. Okay, we're going to play victim.
It's time to play. Is it really time to play victim right now? You got a gun pointed at you, two guns.
And you want to talk about serving the country. If you serve the country, dude,
then you know what police officers have to do in this situation. They pulled this guy over because they
They couldn't see his license plate.
He had some tags and hung up in his back window.
He just bought a vehicle or something like that.
I don't even really know.
But they thought the vehicle had no insurance.
So they pursue it.
The cop is probably thinking I got a stolen vehicle here.
What's going on?
Get out of the vehicle.
What do you mean?
What's going on?
You know you're pulled over.
Get out of the vehicle.
But he doesn't want to do that because he wants to make it difficult.
I'm a lieutenant.
I'm wearing a uniform.
I'm not going to listen to you.
Well, if you don't listen, this is what happens to you.
Bad things happen when you resist the police, guys.
Yo, guess what? I'm a veteran two. I don't know, babe.
Get out of the car.
What's going on?
Get out of the car now.
What's going on?
What's going on? You're fixing to ride the lightning, son.
You're going to ride the lightning, son.
He's talking about Taser, okay?
He came out afterwards and said that his lawyer said something about,
no, he didn't mean the Taser.
He meant the lecture chair.
When's the last time that was used?
I'm sorry, what?
The car now.
What's going on?
Get out of the car now!
Get out of the car!
Sir, just get out of the car.
Work with us and we'll talk to you.
Get out the car.
You know, that's pretty good, eh?
Right?
Sir, just get out of the car, please.
We'll work with us and we'll talk to you.
Just get out of the car.
What's going on?
Cops do not want to get shot.
Guys, it happens all the time.
It happened the other day.
There's a thumbnail on YouTube and I won't hit play.
Cop goes up to a car,
bad guy jumps out with a rifle,
shoots and kills that cop.
That's what I think the very.
video's gonna be about but I didn't hit play there's some shit I just can't see anymore
there are more guns in America than there are people when American cops pull
somebody over there's a good chance there's a gun in there you're putting cops at
risk when you act like this stop acting like this they can't fuck around down
there they won't that will get them killed so just cooperate that's all you have
to do I see your order obey it I'm I'm I'm honestly afraid to get out can I
oh he's afraid to get out he's well I don't
blame you for being afraid now you idiot you could have got out right away and this is all
be done they'd be gone by now.
You're not cooperating at this point right now you're in arrest for a traffic you're being
detained okay you're being detained for a traffic violation I do not have to get out the vehicle
you haven't even told me why I'm being stopped. Really? Get your hands. Get out of the car now. Get out
the car. Get your hands off me. Okay that cop talking right now he got fired. He got fired.
The video came out. It became viral and the police chief or whatever you want to call him down
there thought he had to fire him. You're not allowed to make mistakes anymore as a
if you make a mistake, if you say something wrong, you're gone. It's unbelievable how you're not
allowed to fail at all. Did the cop do everything right? Probably not. But that guy put him in that
position to act the way he acted. It was this driver that did it all. And now the cop,
they say he's 27. I must have read that wrong piece. He looks like he's 50, but lost his job.
Do you not feel for him a little bit? I do. Probably has a family.
All because of this jerk, this jerk off, that's suing for a million dollars.
When I go to what, I know me, and if I would have went to this, I don't care how long it takes.
I'm not approaching the vehicle.
I don't care if it takes all night.
That's just the way I was.
But I'm not going to criticize these police officers.
I'm not going to do it.
I'm tired of doing it.
They chose to do what they did.
And I'm not, I can't blame that.
I can't blame them for reacting to this situation the way they did.
Get your hands off me. Get your hands off me.
I didn't do anything.
Don't do that.
Sir, get out of the car now.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
I'm trying to talk to you.
Okay.
I'm trying to talk to you.
Can you please relax?
What's going on?
Get out of the car right now.
This is not how you treat the vet.
I'm actively serving this country and this is how you're going to treat me.
I didn't do anything.
Whoa, hold on.
What's going?
Hold on.
I just.
Watch it.
Air Force.
Come on, here comes the pepper spray, right?
Criticize all you want.
Got out, then you got your taser,
you're trying different things to get them out.
There's no rush here, but
fuck it.
Give him some pepper spray.
Oh, well, you deserve it.
You deserve the pepper spray.
Get out of the car.
That's fucked up.
Get out of the car now.
He's been watching some acting guys.
That's...
That's fucked up.
That's really fucked up.
That you would do that to me.
That's so fucked up.
That is so fucked up shit.
I'm serving this country.
I don't deserve this.
Yeah, you do.
Yeah, you do.
What did you expect to happen?
You wanted it to happen.
Sir, just get out the car.
I'm trying to breathe.
Get out of the car now.
It's fucked up.
That's really fucked up.
Yeah, get out of the car and get them to run now.
Give him to get a kid.
I don't even want to reach my seatbelt.
Take your seatbelt and get out of the car.
He doesn't want to reach for his seatbelt and I don't blame him.
He put himself in that position.
There's nobody else to blame here.
Get out of the car now.
Listen, get off your seatbelt and get out of the car.
Look, I'm just gonna just please.
You're gonna do what you're told.
Get out of the car.
Take your seatbelt and get out of the car.
Take your seatbelt.
Look, my hands are out.
Take your seatbelt off.
My hands are out.
Does this make any sense to anybody at all who's watching this?
He's a lieutenant, guys.
Good looking, sharp-looking dude.
He knows about policies.
He knows about procedures.
He's part of that life.
So why do he act like he did?
Million dollars, why not?
Why not?
As a bad guy?
You guys could do anything.
you want right now.
get out of the car straight on the ground straight onto the ground ma'am is your
commanding all this is you're going let's go let's go get on the ground get on the ground
can you please talk to me about what's going on the ground you're getting sprayed again get
on the ground can you please talk to me about what's going on the ground get on the ground now
can you please talk to me what we're going on ground yes sir you're not can you please
You're talking about what's going going.
Why am I being treated like this?
Why?
You're not cooperating.
Get on the ground.
Why am I?
How more dramatic can I make this?
I know I'm not going to get on the ground.
You're going to have to take me down with some extreme force to get me on the ground.
This is really messed up.
This is really messed up.
This is really, this is fucked up.
Sir.
This is fucked up.
Sorry.
You know, just fucked up.
You know, just fucked up.
Lay down, lay on the ground.
Just lay flat.
You know this is fucked up.
You know this is fucked up.
Sir, lay flat.
Lay flat.
This is fucked up.
I can't fucking believe it would be treated like this.
And I'm fucking...
Get on the ground!
Get on the ground!
Now he's crying.
I don't think I could watch any more of this.
Right there. Right there.
What's that?
It's gum.
What the fuck?
Get on the ground.
This gum.
Sir, sir, can you just work with this?
Can I...
Just work with us.
Lay down flat.
down flat, lay down flat.
I like that cop, I like how he talks.
I just do.
Sir, will you just work with us?
Just work with us, man.
You almost gotta treat him like a baby sometimes, right?
This is not a big deal, man.
Just please work with us.
Will you just work with us?
He's a good cop.
He's gonna be a good cop.
He's new, actually.
Lay down, I'm gonna tased up.
Lay down and you're gonna get tased.
This is fucked up.
All right.
Put your hands behind your back.
Put your hands behind your back.
This is fucked up.
This is fucked up.
I agree.
All you have to do is listen.
All right.
Pato three.
One in custody.
This is fucked up.
Can you open up the window for my dog?
I ain't him choking.
Can you open up the window?
Please.
Yes.
Yes, we will.
So they help him out.
They go into the store.
They get water.
They open up the window in his vehicle to help out his dog to breathe better.
And they don't charge them with anything.
And he turns around and sues them for a million dollars, those two cops.
Everybody gets money.
And that's how you become rich, guys.
Come in contact with police, get them to arrest you, resist arrest, and get paid a lot of money.
You think I'm lying?
I had a lady from the RCMP come to our course and tell us,
When somebody complains against the R-CMP,
and it goes to court and there's some kind of lawsuit,
it's cheaper for her to pay them out than go to court over it.
It's taken over, and you guys are paying for it.
Any weapons in the vehicle?
Yes.
Okay.
What kind of dog are you guys?
Why did you just do what we have, sir?
Why didn't you just do what I'm sorry, my hands?
No, you weren't.
You were not.
My partner put his blue lights on.
Yes.
You didn't stop.
I was pulling over to a well-lit area for my safety and yours.
I have respect for law enforcement.
No, you don't.
No, you don't.
Wrong answer, sir.
If you did, we would not be in the situation right now.
All right?
Can I get some water, please?
Absolutely.
Set on this curb right here.
Come around.
Come sit on this car.
Walk backwards.
Walk backwards.
O.C.
You want a cup of water?
Whatever.
I'll come back and pay for it.
I'm just get two bottles.
Here, I'm going to get you a big something like this.
Okay.
You want another one?
If so, just let me know.
It's just gonna put it.
It's dark over there.
Those areas are dark.
I did not feel comfortable with those areas are dark.
I have you a couple water.
You put it on my face.
It's going to make it worse.
You know that, right?
All right.
So if it's gonna make it worse, don't do it there.
Yeah, it's gonna reactivate it and make it work.
They're right here.
They're here.
They're here.
I need them to talk to me.
They're right here.
What can you do to help me out?
Anyways, they help him out.
Honest to God, I didn't watch anymore.
I couldn't watch anymore.
There's like 20 more minutes.
I can't watch it.
I can't watch anymore.
I don't even know what happens after that point.
But I think they let him go.
He doesn't get charged.
And I hate the video.
I hate this video.
I hate the acting.
I hate it when people act like a victim.
And I hate seeing police officers lose their job over something that they don't deserve to lose their job over.
I know I need to calm down, but it's, it's been a weird couple of weeks with what I've been
watching. I think it's the Chauvin Corkase that I've been watching every single day.
And I think that kind of, it kind of drags you down and kind of gets at you, you know what I mean?
And it's just like a real gross feeling right now that's going on in the world.
Don't you feel it? It's pretty, it's just really, it's gross. Thanks for watching.
Subscribe.
This was a terrible video.
I'll do better next time.
Bye, bye.
We got nothing but cat hair in this house.
We got nothing but dog hair in this house.
It's floating around.
Can't get rid of it.
Yeah, I'm wearing a hat.
Settle down, okay?
Probably look like a girl.
Oh, you nailed it.
Nothing better.
I like it when I get these.
I just got this.
You see that?
It says, you nailed it nothing better.
I don't know what they're talking about.
But I like those comments.
Makes me feel good inside.
Let's see what he's talking about here.
Someone liked it.
Oh, oh, that was me who wrote it.
Somebody just liked what I wrote.
Two replies, you nailed it.
Nothing better.
Fred Walker.
Thank you, Clint.
You're welcome, Fred.
Should I open up a window?
Christ almighty.
I complained not too long ago, because I complained,
I don't know why I'm talking about this,
but I complained not too long ago that I wasn't allowed to keep my gun.
I'm not allowed to keep my gun when you retire.
They take your gun away.
And some guy wrote a comment,
and said, Clint, the reason is because the gun's prohibited.
Well, why was I allowed to carry it before?
And now I'm not.
I know it's prohibited.
It has a four inch whatever on it.
But don't take it away from it.
I don't give a rat's ass if it was prohibited before, or if it is prohibited.
I'm still allowed to wear this.
Why?
Why am I still allowed to wear that?
They didn't take that away.
I'm allowed to dress up whenever I want.
Walk down the street.
Basically.
Oh, for fuck.
Sorry.
Here we go.
Yeah.
Jody who?
Jody's here?
Good timing.
I don't know.
Can't get into it.
Can't get into it.
Can't get into it.
Been like this for a week, over a week.
I read it out in my head and just can't get into it.
It's like I've already said it.
I've got to go live.
I think I need to do this live.
I can't even see.
Why is that?
I hate people. I hate dumb people.
Yeah? Looking at this guy?
Gonna talk about this idiot?
Look at me, he looks like an idiot.
Why am I talking about this guy?
What's his name? Nizarro.
Oh, boy.
Maybe that's the problem I don't really want to talk about him.
I don't even know where it happened.
Virginia? Why is that, Mark?
Come on. Let's do that.
