Clinton Jaws - Pros and Cons of BEING a Police Officer

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 These guys are important. You know, they're not, what am I doing? I'm bagging groceries? Go-go-go-gag-ga? We're talking about, leave you want to hear something? Insane? Clinton Jaws, guys. Website out there called Clinton Jaws.com, go to it.
Starting point is 00:00:32 There's also another website out there. Don't worry, I'm not even going to talk about that right now. Why do people become cops? Why do people become police officers? Pretty obvious, right? To help people, right? Isn't that what they all say? To help people.
Starting point is 00:00:50 And it's just not true. If a police officer ever tells you that he became a cop to help people, you need to stop sucking them off. Okay, because it's just not true. It's not true. Okay, maybe one in a million want to help people. And it's always great when you do become a cop and you actually help somebody, but you're not becoming a cop. to help somebody. My entire career, I never met one person, one police officers say to me,
Starting point is 00:01:23 oh yeah, yeah, I became a cop to help people. No, it's not why they become police officers. Maybe I'll show a picture. None of these guys became police officers to help people, okay? Especially this guy right here. Right here. He didn't become a cop. to help people. Oh, maybe he did. But I doubt it. I don't know if I should have started it this way.
Starting point is 00:02:01 I didn't know I was going to start it this way. And I don't think I should show that picture. Maybe you see a picture, maybe you don't. I'm going to tell you guys a story. I used to work at Safeway. Okay, in high school, like grade 10, 11, and 12. And it sucked. It sucked working at Canada Safeway. number one it was inside number two i was a cash year and they always gave me the same shift it was five hours they would give me five hours shifts and that was the worst you were only allowed a 15 minute break in those five hours so literally you would try to make it to hour three just standing there serving people customers begging their groceries scanning their groceries having to talk to them for three straight hours, standing in the same spot for three straight hours. Great paying job. I was
Starting point is 00:03:01 making like 15 bucks an hour back then in high school. That's pretty good. I mean, when minimum wage was like 550. You would literally have a break for 15 minutes. You would have to punch. You'd have to go to a machine and punch a card out. And you had to punch right on the 15 minute mark. You weren't allowed any more than 15 minutes. So when your break started, you punch your card. You would run around the grocery store, grab like a cheese bun, and you had to go through the till. You had to go through a cashier. By the time you got to the lunchroom, you only had four minutes left of your break. And you had to call everybody by their last name, like Mr. Meads, Mr. Brent March. I think that's what his name was. Mr. March. It just grossed me out. Like there were teachers, I had to call them
Starting point is 00:03:55 by their last name. I couldn't call them by their first name, the bigwigs. You had to be sweet, you had to be nice, you had to have attributes, that's a word, like a woman. I was a guy cashier, so I'm a guy, right? Got some testosterone inside my body. But I had to be sweet like a woman. When they came through with a baby, they wanted me to go go, go, go, go, gag. And I just, I couldn't find myself to do it. I was a good cashier, and I was always have a competition with myself to be fast.
Starting point is 00:04:31 I was known as the fastest cashier guaranteed that anybody has ever seen. People used to go to my parents. They would tell my parents, he's good. You know, even if he has the biggest line, I go to his register because I'm out like that. And so I was proud about something. I was proud about that. I was proud about being quick. And I was never rude to anybody, ever.
Starting point is 00:04:56 I got them through. I got their groceries through as quick as possible. And I remember getting in trouble. I remember getting in trouble one day at Safeway. One of the main dudes comes up to me after I served a customer. And the customer went up to him and said, hey, I just want you to know. That guy over there? Roodest employee I have ever met in my entire life.
Starting point is 00:05:21 And he told me, I'm going to have to tell Brent Marchless, Clint. And I'm like, I'm like, how was I rude? Well, I don't know. He just said you're rude. To this day, I sort of got this guy, this guy that complained about me, got me mixed up with somebody else because I have no memory of ever being rude to any customer. And I had to go have a meeting with Brent March, and I got in trouble. And it was a good union job.
Starting point is 00:05:52 It was a good union paying job. It was a career. If you got a job at Safeway, that's like a career. Some of the wealthiest people in Port Albany, doesn't take much, I know. but some of them were, they worked a Safeway. But I goddamn hated it. Hated it. I remember leaving Nanaimo and I went and worked for thrifty foods.
Starting point is 00:06:17 And oh, clean up an aisle four. Like, shut up. And I had to call them by their last name. And, you know, I look back and I probably did make a mistake, but I quit Safeway. Because I just hated it so much. And the customer really was always right. I worked at Shaw Cable. I ended up getting recruited while I was working at Shaw Cable.
Starting point is 00:06:46 I work at malls and I was selling the Shaw at home, the internet. I was able to give people two free months. I made a ton of money. But I had to talk to customers all day long. And I don't know. I guess it's great if you like people. If you like customers, I found it painful. So this is what happens to me.
Starting point is 00:07:11 This is what happens to me when I'm, I'm in forestry class with Mr. Labielette, and he loved me because he found out he wanted to make an example of me. Somebody who's taking his class is actually going to go to college. I said, sir, I'm going to go to college. I'm going to take forest engineering. I'm going to make roads because of your class, and he loved that. So he always used me an example, always. To the point where the class were telling me that they're getting kind of sick and tired of him always using me as an example.
Starting point is 00:07:38 He liked me because he knew that I was going to go to college. Then one day, we had this thing called work experience in Port Alberternie High School. We had to go do work experience for a credit. We had to get a credit. And I'm like, okay, what? Where could I go to get work experience and not actually have to do any work? I actually thought that in my head. The police station.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Ride along, I just sit there and I watch. I mean, that's the best sort of work experience that, well, it is. I mean, can you come up, you can't come up with better work experience for a kid. And so that's what I did. I remember, and I remember the stories. I remember watching these guys. I remember the first time we went Code 3 in a Ford LTD. I know I already told this, but we were going down the dip.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Lights and siren, and I had to turn away because I didn't want the cop seeing me. I think his name was Bruce Nicholson. I didn't want him seeing me smile, but I was grinning like you wouldn't believe. I couldn't believe. How fast this guy was going in the Ford LTT with lights and sirens. And there was nothing more exciting. Nothing more exciting than that moment. I remember it was like two, three in the morning.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Oh, maybe it was one in the morning. And he pulls over a drunk driver and throws him in the back of the police car. And we're driving back to the detachment. And he starts, he sees what's going on in the rear room mirror. I don't know what's going on. He goes, you better not. You better not. light that piece he didn't cuff him if you like that i'm going to throttle you and the bad guy lit a
Starting point is 00:09:24 cigarette in the back bruce hops out of his cart and i don't know i couldn't see anything but he got that cigarette away from that bad guy and i thought this this is awesome this is awesome i'm not doing the story justice we were driving down a road i did it a couple times during the day he goes see that clinton look at that guy in front of us he's drunk he not drinking and driving? And the guy was actually crossing the middle, the solid line and then back in and then crossing the line again and back in. And he pulls him over.
Starting point is 00:09:57 And he goes and talks to him. He comes back to me. He goes, you believe they're two guys eating an ice cream cone. And they're pissed off at me because they're driving that way. I told them you're driving like a couple of idiots. And they got. And I just remember, I remember thinking, you can talk to people like that. Are you telling me?
Starting point is 00:10:18 that the customer is wrong? And that's exactly what it was. The customer's wrong. And I love that. I'm also outside. I'm not inside. And the customer's wrong? Nine times out of ten?
Starting point is 00:10:36 I mean, can you, for me, I couldn't, I couldn't think of a better job to get into. I remember after we arrested that drunk guy, we come back into sales. and one of the other constables thought I was the bad guy he thought I was the drunk he didn't realize I was the ride along and he goes and I was just standing in cells and he goes you get your ass back on that bench and I just about myself
Starting point is 00:11:05 and I sat down and he came up to me after he goes I'm so sorry I thought you were the bad guy I thought you were the guy that was drinking and driving but I just love the way I just loved the way how he spoke to me and I sat around that GD pit for hours. Like we're talking three, four in the morning. I'm still in the GD pit.
Starting point is 00:11:24 And I'm just watching these people, these guys and girls. Well, there was no girls at that time. But just working and laughing and joking. And you can tell that they probably wanted me to leave so they can make fun of a dead baby or something like that, right? But they had no boss. There was no Mr. Meads or Brent March breathing down their neck.
Starting point is 00:11:44 They were their own boss on night shifts. always love night shifts over day shifts. These were important people. I'm thinking, these guys are important. You know, they're not, what am I doing? I'm begging groceries. Go-go-go-gagga? What's that?
Starting point is 00:12:02 Is that what I'm going to do with my life? I want to be important like these guys. And I want to, uh, I want to talk to bad guys. I won't say what I really want to say. I just couldn't believe that they were doing this sort of thing while I slept. And it was 100% cool. And I remember in the GD pit, one of the constables looked at me, he goes, you know, you can, you don't have to stay here.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Like, you can go. And I'm like, no, I'm okay. And I look back. I'm such an idiot. I realized, you know, they wanted to get comfortable. They wanted me to go, okay, my time is up. But I didn't want to leave. I just wanted to sit there and watch that part.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Watch the guys in the general duty pit talk and, yeah, just talk. That was interesting. Just watching that part. seeing that, seeing something that I didn't even know existed. I didn't know police were really like that, that they were fun and, and that, well, I knew they were that important. I just didn't, I didn't know they were like that. Like, I know I'm not explaining myself.
Starting point is 00:13:19 I didn't know they were so awesome. And so I'm like, I'm going to become a police, I'm going to become a police officer. I have to. And when grade 12 started, I told Lavio Lett, I've changed my mind. and he hated me from that day on. He no longer liked me and my grade suffered. And I don't know why I told you this part. But it's just something that I'll never forget.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Weird. No longer used me as an example. Got mad at me all of a sudden when I didn't have a pen. Too bad, really. I became a cop because it was a career. And I was probably lucky that I did become a cop because at Canada Safeway, they fired everybody. no longer union. Everybody basically lost their job and they ended up working for peanuts.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Same with thrifty foods. Same with Shaw Cable. Nobody knew I wanted to become a cop at Shaw Cable. They show up one day to work and they find out that I'm now at Depot. They're like, what? Clint became, is going to become a cop, huh? That wing nut? The goofy little kid's going to become a cop? You know what Laveo Alet said? After it became a cop, he talked to my friend Shane. He knew Shane. They met somewhere in Port Alberti's, let's say a grocery store. They ran into each other. And Laviole was surprised that I became a police officer. And he says to him,
Starting point is 00:14:53 isn't there a height requirement? That's what he said. Anyway, so when I finally do become a cop, I come back, everybody I worked with at Shaw Cable and there was dozens. Only one was left. They let go everybody. Not a career. That's why
Starting point is 00:15:13 he became a cop. Career. The customers wrong. Even the complainants are wrong, guys. Remember, when you get a call, it's from a complainant. They're complaining. A lot of the times, they're chronic complainers. You're allowed to tell them. You're the problem.
Starting point is 00:15:29 I've done that. Stop calling us. You're wasting our time. Just because you're calling and you're complaining doesn't make you right. I love that part. I love turning the table on the complainant and calling him an idiot. Well, I didn't come out and say that, but I don't think I did. but I made them feel like it, feel like one, because they deserved it.
Starting point is 00:15:49 They deserved it. Stop calling the police for nothing. Noise complaint. Neighbor has lights on. Shut up. Just thought of something interesting. You know, I had to call them by their last name, Mr. Meads. But when I was at Deppel, I had to call them by corporal or sergeant.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Sergeant, yes, corporal, yes, sergeant. Which was actually kind of cool if you think about it. Yeah. that's why I became a police officer for a career and customer service. I like that part of the customer service. I loved it when I was always right, usually. They were always wrong. And God, it didn't, you're a police officer.
Starting point is 00:16:45 You take as many breaks as you want. You don't have to time out. You don't have to go to a clock and, shh, ridiculous. You imagine? as a police officer if you had to start doing that. And you need that as a cop. You need to take the largest amount of breaks you possibly want. Whatever you want, you take.
Starting point is 00:17:12 If it's nighttime and you want to take a two-hour break and just gab with the guys, that's what you need. You need that kind of thing. There's a lot of freedom when you're a police officer. That's what I loved. You hop in a car and drive around. You're not sitting at a cash register looking like a dumb. tit wearing your stupid little red vest talking all sweet and nice gross talking about the BS weather
Starting point is 00:17:41 yeah it's raining again I want you guys to listen to this call I'm about to play because this is the reason why I just said everything is kind of why it's because of this call I love you I love it when you guys call 604 330 25 12 it reminds me of things to talk about haven't been on here in a while I'm really worried that I've already played this message. Because I'm stupid now, right? Like, we're talking short-term memory like you wouldn't believe. I'm pretty sure I haven't played this message. Let's see her what Jason has to say.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Hey, Clint, City Cop Jason here. Just watching one of your old episodes, you're old, or I guess a couple weeks ago or something. It's a month ago now. that you were talking about what getting time off and giving time off and that was awesome you as a supervisor would
Starting point is 00:18:44 give it to anybody you wanted it off yes I I used to give anybody who wanted time off they would have to I would give them time off of course why wouldn't I? They would come to me and they would say Clint can I have such and such block off and I would say
Starting point is 00:19:00 you tell me just look at the schedule and you tell me if we have enough bodies, of course you can have it off. The only time where it might have got sticky was New Year's Eve. On the other hand, that's not even true. I don't even know why I said that. Maybe Halloween. My department had a different experience.
Starting point is 00:19:26 I had a particular supervisor who would delete your holidays, your selected holidays, and put himself on those selected holidays. holiday. Isn't that nice? And because everything was on the computer, literally, it became your argument against his as to who actually had the holidays. So if you had a prime time in the summer, you think you've got it all the way along, and unless you physically took a photograph of it, which I ultimately needed to do when I had it, yeah, he would delete the holidays and then put himself want it and denied that you ever had those holidays and you would think
Starting point is 00:20:08 that you'd be able to track that but brutal. Anyway, this is kind of what he got away with several times and I recall one day when I was taking a photograph of it I had a rookie come up to me and say, what are you doing? And I said, I'm taking a photograph
Starting point is 00:20:24 because he's going to delete it and take it for himself. He's done that before and she said oh you're just being paranoid and I watched and about one month later, while I'm on the computer, I go check, and I said, oh, there it is. And I remember she comes over and just her looking at the screen and being rather new. She turned pale-faced and I thought she was going to vomit.
Starting point is 00:20:52 She felt so sick to her stomach from it. She said, it's exactly what you described would happen. So that was probably an early wake-up call for her to terrible supervisors. I confronted that supervisor. We had it out, and boy, there's a story to be ahead with that. He was not happy with me calling him out on this, and let me tell you there's some ramifications. Anyway, just sharing that story.
Starting point is 00:21:19 I wonder if you had any people that you work with that were like that or would act. I don't like to use a term corrupt, but you know what I'm saying is just inappropriate, and you shouldn't do that to you people. Take care, love the show. Bye. Thanks, dude.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Thanks for your call. And I'm going to go off on this. I know it. Have I ever had a supervisor take time away from me? Well, of course. They love doing it. The weird ones. The weird ones do.
Starting point is 00:21:53 They love, they love, the weird ones like some weird, really weird control. That supervisors, you'd ask and ask and ask, and they'd never get to you. They'd never get back to you. And then when they finally do get back to you, they'd be like, no, Russ has it off. I've been asking for months. What are you talking about? Stuff like that. This is how we did it, guys.
Starting point is 00:22:13 My entire career, we had two schedules. On the computer, through Hermes, the members, if they wanted time off, they would send me their hours. And then I would go online on the schedule. I forget what that's called now. Isn't that weird? It's not prime.
Starting point is 00:22:34 And I would book them off. I would approve their leave. There was also another technique that we did. We did two things. let's say summer's coming up let's say it's March we had a calendar you know those calendars those massive calendars that hang on a wall like the month of July it would be huge July 1st the July 31st I would hand I would hand that calendar to the guys and the girls and I would say you guys tell me tonight what leave you want for summer
Starting point is 00:23:11 In Duncan, we were allowed two people off. Okay, we had six members. We were allowed to work with four. Any less than that, we would have to call in overtime. So we couldn't have three people off on the watch. We could only have two people off on the watch. So they'd sit around and they would hash out what blocks they wanted off in summertime. And whenever there was a conflict, which there never was, I don't know why, but there never was.
Starting point is 00:23:39 I well what would I do I well I give it to the person who had the most seniority you what you want the same block off sorry you can't but there was never an issue it was a great way to do it and it was documented on that calendar on that paper calendar and then they would send their leave through the computer eventually here's the thing okay I got four years I'm running the watch I'm the acting watch commander. I'm approving everybody's leaves. We don't have a watch commander. We didn't have one for six months, so I'm running it. When a report to Crown Counsel and RCC would come through to me, I would approve the report to Crown Council. I did everything.
Starting point is 00:24:38 You know, you arrest somebody, you do the investigation, you write it up, you write up RTCC, you give it to your supervisor, which is me, and then I give it to Crown Counsel for charge approval. So I had all those powers. Leave. I approved leave. I did it all. I was also approving my own Crown councils.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Nobody else was reading them. Nobody else was reviewing them. I would arrest a drunk. I'd write out my report to Crown Counsel and I'd give it to Crown. I wanted a day off. I'd give myself a day off. I approved my own leave. The new watch commander comes in.
Starting point is 00:25:24 I used to work Highway Patrol. Oh, the poor guy. And I continued doing it this way because he was off a lot. For whatever reason, he seemed like I was usually the watch commander, even though we had a watch commander. And I continued doing the things that I did. I approved my own crowns because he wasn't there. And if I wanted a day off, I'd go to the paper calendar and I'd give myself a day off. No problem.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Why wouldn't I? Of course I'm going to. That's the way I've been doing it. And he had no problem with it. He never spoke to me about it at all. He's just seen that that's the way it was. That's how we run things. So one day, I know I got a day off, right?
Starting point is 00:26:20 So I don't show up to work on the start of my day shift. And my phone rings at six in the morning, six or seven in the morning. It's him. Yeah, they all talk like that, okay? why are you at work? And I'm like, wait, just look at the schedule, dummy. I said I got the day off. Well, I didn't approve that.
Starting point is 00:26:50 And I'm like, I don't care if you approved it or not. This is the way we've been doing things. All of a sudden, you got a problem with it? I was kind of like that. I was kind of, I was upset that he was making me feel bad on my day off that I deserved. And he goes, well, you know what? You know, I gave Turner. I gave Turner the day off.
Starting point is 00:27:09 I need you to come into work now. And I said, nope, no, I'm not going to. That's not happening. And he goes, well, I'm going to have to call somebody in for overtime. He was scared to call somebody in for overtime. He's making as though it was my mistake. But he knew what he was doing. He did this on purpose.
Starting point is 00:27:32 And I said, no. And he goes, fine. And he hangs up the phone. And then he calls back five minutes later. And he goes, hey, Clint, okay, okay. do you think he be able just can you call in sick so he doesn't get in trouble i don't know weird he goes can you call in sick and i said no i can't i'm not calling in sick for two reasons i'm not sick and i don't want to ruin my uh god what do you what do you call it when you're in a pattern on a roll
Starting point is 00:28:08 god what's wrong with me i had i was on a roll i hadn't called in sick ever and i'd like like that. I wasn't going to ruin that. My record. Okay. I had a perfect record with sick days, four or five years in. And I love that about me. And I said, not happening. And he hung up on me again. And so I, I messaged the girl that he gave the day off to. And I'm like, what the hell's this? I said, what's going on? and I either messaged her or we spoke on the phone. I don't even know if I texted back then. And she goes, well, Clint, I was in the office the other day and I asked for the day off.
Starting point is 00:28:55 And he looked at the schedule and I said to him, I guess I can't have the day off. I really want the day off, but it looks like Clint has it off. And he looked at the schedule and said, I didn't approve that without even telling me. and gave her the day off. I think I took the last night shift and the first day shift off. So we never had that conversation. He just made that decision on his own. And part of me was thinking, well, why wouldn't you let me know, girl?
Starting point is 00:29:28 Like you knew I wanted it off. Why would you go and take it off? Anyway, so did a supervisor take time away from it? It's just an odd story, isn't it? It is. And it's something I'll never forget. And I'm surprised when I look back at it, not on how I spoke to my own supervisor that way. I had some balls back then because any other cop would have came in, I think.
Starting point is 00:29:56 But no. No dummy. You know what you're doing. What you're doing is wrong. I know a lot of people that are going to be like, oh, Clinton, you need to have it approved. Whatever. It's not how we ran things. And now that we're talking about, we're talking about.
Starting point is 00:30:13 we're talking about leave you want to hear something insane I know I shouldn't do this well I just have to I wasn't going to talk about this this is another this is nutty
Starting point is 00:30:27 this is nutty close your eyes street sweeper going by right this second can you hear it I'm uh I'm working in Duncan oh my God
Starting point is 00:30:47 that is the slowest street sweeper in street sweeper history I'm working I'm working in Duncan we have a watch commander. This is before all this stuff, okay? This is when I'm at two, three years service, I don't know. And my watch commander's name is Brad.
Starting point is 00:31:07 We looked up to Brad, and Brad was the watch commander. This is another reason why. This is the reason why I became watch commander. Christmas. The watch commander's watch commander corporals always had Christmas off. It wasn't even a, I mean, you just knew it. It was a given that. that Brad, if our block fell on Christmas, he's going to have Christmas on.
Starting point is 00:31:33 And he deserved that. He's the watch commander. That's why I wanted to become a watch commander in the lower mainland. I love Christmas. Christmas means a lot to me. I don't know why, but it does. And I always wanted Christmas off. There was only one place that I could apply in the lower mainland, I think. And that was mission. The corporals could be watch commanders. No other place. The island, it's filled. It's filled with Corporal Watch Commanders. And that's why March 11th, you have to have seven years, guys, to promote to corporal from constable to corporal.
Starting point is 00:32:10 My graduation date was March 11th. And on the computer, there was a job posting, mission. They needed two corporals in mission. The closing date of the job was March 11th. March 11th was the first day that I could apply to become a corporal. If the closing date was on March 10th, I would have never became a watch commander corporal in mission. I wouldn't even have the kids.
Starting point is 00:32:38 I wouldn't even have the kids that I have right now and I wouldn't be even sitting where I'm sitting right now. Would have changed everything. But that's part of the reason. So I could have Christmas off. I like that. I love being a watch commander. I actually liked being a watch commander in Duncan.
Starting point is 00:32:53 but believe me it's easy when you're acting okay or an actor different kind of story when you actually become one it's actually one of probably one of the worst most difficult jobs that you can have in policing is a corporal watch commander and that's another episode so brad okay brad's got uh christmas off we all know that every christmas every january january 1st Brad would put the new schedule up, the paper schedule, that huge schedule from January to December, and he put it up on the wall. And we'd always grab it and say, you know, we'd always look to see, you know, the long, do we work in the long weekends, are we working Halloween, are we working Christmas?
Starting point is 00:33:46 And I grabbed, I grabbed the schedule and I had a pencil. And I go to December and I see that we were Christmas. and I put me off, I pencil it in, all Christmas, okay? 23, 24, 25, 26. Clint off, Clint off, Clint off. A couple days later, underneath it, Brad wrote on the bottom, over my dead body. And we all laughed, we kind of giggled, it was kind of funny. Of course I'm not getting it off.
Starting point is 00:34:20 I was joking around. It wasn't going to happen for me. I did it as a joke. It was a given that he's getting it. Even though we're allowed two people off, everybody had more seniority than me. So I was going to work Christmas. That's the way it's supposed to be, guys.
Starting point is 00:34:41 I'm new. I'm supposed to work Christmas. That's the way it is. Oh, but when you go to Port Al-Burney, guess what happens when you go to Port-O'Burney? I go to Port-O'Bernie. And you know how earlier I told you're allowed two off on a watch? They just changed that.
Starting point is 00:35:01 You're only allowed one on. off. Even though the minimums were like four, you were only allowed one person off, even though you could technically have two, and that's how they ran it forever. But, you know, new bosses come in, new staff sergeants come in, and they want to get promoted. And they're like, you know what? Only one person on each watch can have it off unless you have one person on a course, training in Chilliwack, then you could have two people off, one person off on a course, one person off on holidays. Why'd they do that? Why'd the staff sergeant do that? To make his job easier, because there's nothing worse than being a staff sergeant in charge of training,
Starting point is 00:35:51 and you look at the schedules, and it's just filled with two people off for almost half a year. He can't fit you in. Oh, there's already two people off. I can't put you down for the investigator's course at Chilliwack. you're making my job more difficult so i'm going to institute a new rule only one person can have it off and that way do you know how much money i'm going to save the detachment on overtime think about that i might even be able to give money back to the the city great way to get promoted why is this a big deal i'll tell you why i had a guy on my watch that complained dumb dick He complained. He asked me for Christmas off.
Starting point is 00:36:48 Okay, let me back up. This is unbelievable. You know what the staff sergeant does? He writes out an email to every constable on all the watches. Talking to all four corporal watch commanders saying, hey guys, watch commanders. Maybe you guys had Christmas off last block. I want you to now think about giving one of your constables Christmas off the following year if you happen to work Christmas again.
Starting point is 00:37:20 He's taking that power away from us and he's putting it into the hands of the constables. And I can't believe what I, what, he's telling me that I should work Christmas, that I should give my Christmas holidays to somebody else. And I remember thinking, when have you done that? When have you ever given your holidays up?
Starting point is 00:37:46 on Christmas. When's the last time you worked a Christmas? So now the constables are coming up to me asking for Christmas off. And I'm like, sorry, guys, pound sand, not happening. I have, yeah, but the staff sergeant said, I don't give a rat's ass what the staff sergeant said. So one of my members goes up to the staff sergeant complaining. I can't get time off. Clint's not giving me time on. And I'm thinking, dude, he's not giving me, he wanted Christmas off. He wanted to go up to Kelowna. And I remember thinking, don't complain about me. It's his rule.
Starting point is 00:38:33 He made the rule. He created the rule. Only one person off. See, I get worked up when I think about this stuff, just nutty stuff. I got members complaining because of the staff sergeant making up this stupid. I want to swear, but I'm not going to. Stupid rules. Only one off.
Starting point is 00:39:02 And then who does that affect? It affects the watch commander in some weird way. You're the one who's getting in trouble, or you're the one that's getting, you know, grief because of a stupid rule the staff sergeant has made. And that happens all the time. You know, you're working, and all of a sudden new staff sergeants come in,
Starting point is 00:39:18 new inspectors come in and they change everything. I was working a mission. The corporals got off at four in the morning. It was the best schedule I'd ever had in my entire life. Getting off at four in the morning is absolutely incredible. new staff sergeant comes in Goldberg something like that
Starting point is 00:39:34 Conrad and what's the first thing he does he talks to a watch commander Wayne talks to Wayne goes yeah there's going to be there's going to be a hazard you know we should the watch commander should be working until seven
Starting point is 00:39:45 what does he do? Changes it all and I'm like Wayne what are you doing we had it so good there's got to be some sort of benefit to being doing the worst job
Starting point is 00:39:59 in policing. Corporal Watch Commander. Right? There's got to be some kind of benefit to it. Nope. I'm wound up now. I'm actually wound up. Yeah, exactly. Talking to myself. Talking to myself. When have you given up your Christmas?
Starting point is 00:40:24 And you know who you are. Moron. I'm an inspector now. Stupid tit. I want you guys to hear this message. To the end. Don't fall asleep. Clint.
Starting point is 00:40:51 I don't even know where that is. Call member. PTSD. Off work for almost a year. Loving your channel. Reasons a subscriber. Likeing what you have to say. I like how you're helping new members or members.
Starting point is 00:41:19 Am I helping new members though? I don't know. Bringing another angle here. That's why I do this. to help members. Being a guy that's worked, Northern Spas, night shift,
Starting point is 00:41:51 doing it all that stuff. Yeah. It's good listening. Great here and how you're helping new guys, and that's helped with me being off. That's good. Not knowing if I'm going to get back ever in this gig,
Starting point is 00:42:19 but that might be okay too. Yeah. But identifying with lots of your stories, similar things, and I think I'll call back and leave me out a message, a bit about things that are very similar. Hope you do. But really enough, that was a big, this is a big first step for me. It's hard.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Calling in. To call and leave this message. But love the channel. Love the content. It's great. Somebody that... You're a clown. And funny stuff
Starting point is 00:43:10 and do good times and recognize why we get... Keep it up. I'll call back. D. Rock. Oh, man. Thanks for calling. 604.330.000. 2512. 12. Off for a year.
Starting point is 00:43:39 PTSD. I don't even know. What do you say to that, right? You sound like he got a 10-plus years. Experience. Don't know if you're going to go back. Well, maybe don't. Maybe don't.
Starting point is 00:43:52 You know, you go off for a year. You're not really getting better, but it's a great first step to getting better. Don't let them get you back. You fight them tooth and nail if you have to. You don't go back. You go back when you think maybe you should go back. Don't let them. And will you do me a favor?
Starting point is 00:44:15 Will you contact health services and get a copy of it? your health records. There's emails in there. I want you to read them, okay? You don't have to go through the privacy, information, privacy, what do they, whatever they call it, privacy act, okay? You're entitled to the, it's a quick phone call.
Starting point is 00:44:34 They'll put it on a disc, or they might just print off the entire thing and send it in the mail. Yeah, you're off for a year. All you think about, I'm just guessing. but all you're thinking about is work, which just makes you a little bit more sicker, right? Your sickness is probably, I'm not saying you're sick,
Starting point is 00:44:56 I'm just assuming. But it's hard to get better when you don't fully leave. And then when you fully leave, whoa, whoa, that's when you're really, when you're no longer collecting a paycheck from them.
Starting point is 00:45:16 And you, you no longer think they're following you. Like how many times you're looking out the window? Why is a comp car? Why is that car going slow, slow past me? Are they watching, keeping an eye on me? Being off for a year can make you a little bit paranoid, I would think. And I would think that it would stall your symptoms of PTSD, which is a great thing.
Starting point is 00:45:43 But I would think to get fully better from PTSD, that would be maybe completely leaving and then see when I left I can't believe it I can't believe it I can't believe how civilian I became you know it's great it's great you don't there's no chance of getting in trouble what do like what's going to happen yeah they might take my jersey away for saying certain things like what how I opened this up but okay I don't want them to, but go ahead. I'm not going to stop talking. You no longer feel controlled.
Starting point is 00:46:29 You don't longer feel like you're really, you don't really feel like you're going to get in trouble, even though I do a little bit, but not like I used to. Like, I got two boats. Maybe not, maybe I forget to ensure the trailer on the boats, okay? Ooh, you know, what's the worst that's going to happen to me? They're going to write me a ticket.
Starting point is 00:46:49 That's it. I'm not going to get hauled in. I'm not going to get a coat of confidence. conduct. I can have a party. We can be naked in the hot tub. So what if the cop shows up, sees us naked at four in the morning? That's almost funny. You almost like it. You almost want to do, when you retire, you almost want to go out and do bad things. Bad things. I know I've told this a thousand times, I'm not going to say it again. That's when you, when you start becoming a civilian and you start thinking like a civilian again, that's when you, I think you start becoming better.
Starting point is 00:47:26 and maybe that's just how you talk. You don't sound too happy, but maybe that's just your sense of humor. Shining through? I don't know. I don't know. I don't really know what I'm saying right now. I don't think it would be enough. There's nothing wrong with not going back. You don't ever have to go back again. And when you realize that, when you actually tell yourself, hey, when you actually grapple with the piece, it's hard. It's hard, right? But when you finally tell yourself, something all of a sudden just comes into your brain, you're like, oh, no, I'm never going to be a cop again. Then that's when you're kind of like, you're almost relieved when you're in the state that you're in.
Starting point is 00:48:14 Again, I'm not talking right. I don't think I'm saying any of this stuff right. But I wish I had like, I don't even know if you need help. It looks like it looks like you're helping yourself. You stay off. You stay off. You know, it's not like a leg, right? Six weeks to fix a broken leg, maybe a couple of months. Fix a mind?
Starting point is 00:48:43 It doesn't take a year. A year's nothing. Takes longer than a year. Hell of a lot longer. And they're probably knocking on your door. Hey, summer's coming up. There's going to be leave. Okay?
Starting point is 00:49:00 Watchers are short. We're only allowed two off. We need you back. We're going to have to use all this overtime. I'm not going to get promoted. And then you pull your records and you see the supervisor contacting health services, ordering health services to get you back to work. Let's leave it at that.
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