Clinton Jaws - Systemic Racism in Policing Not A Real Pressing Problem: RCMP

Episode Date: June 24, 2021

Systemic Racism in Policing Not A Real Pressing Problem: RCMP. The verdict is in, the systemic racism meetings in Canada are concluded and the findings are in. Clinton Jaws reviewed the evidence about... systemic racism in the RCMP. There is no evidence. The SECU, Systemic Racism Committee had meetings for over a year finding that the RCMP is systemically racists. They came to this finding with no examples and in fact provide evidence suggesting that systemic racism in the RCMP does not exist because nobody is complaining about it. The Civilian Review Board, CRCC proved very few are complaining to them about being treated badly by police because of their race. Systemic Racism in Policing Not A Real Pressing Problem: RCMP hotline number 604-330-2512 Call it. https://www.instagram.com/clintonjaws/ https://open.spotify.com/show/3hWntbop6gLEg6RFR0aOzJ https://www.facebook.com/clinton.jaws.7/ https://twitter.com/ClintonJaws #rcmp #rcmpsystemicracism #clintonjaws

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Starting point is 00:00:00 As Vice Chief Terry Teaguey from... Chief Terry Teaguey, what he had to say. From British Columbia Assembly of First Nations, explained to the committee, and I'm quoting, in my language, we call the RCMP Nilchukin. Nilchukin. I like that. It's got a nice ring to it. Thanks, Chief. Which interpreted in our language is those who take us away.
Starting point is 00:00:31 Clinton Jaws, the report is in, the findings are in, the recommendations are in systemic racism meetings. I think they're over. They're finally over. They did them for a year. And now this lady, I don't know her name, we'll call her Nancy. I honest to God, don't know her name, but she's going to discuss the findings and recommendations out of all those meetings after meetings, after meetings, after meetings, after meetings, after meetings, after meetings, after meetings.
Starting point is 00:00:58 And I'm kind of excited. Because maybe they found evidence that there isn't systemic racism. racism in policing or there isn't systemic racism in the RCMP. You never know, right? So I'm excited. I haven't seen what she is going to say. Pizza's kind of lengthy. So I thought I'd just come down here, turn on the tape recorder. And let's hear what she has to say. This might be a good day. Thank you for joining us. I'd like to start by acknowledging that we're on the traditional territory of the Algonquin people. see right away I'm pissed off
Starting point is 00:01:36 she had an opportunity to get up and talk about the tragic loss of constable Shelby Patton she's been talking about policing for the past year you think those would be her first words out of her mouth how about a moment of silence or something some kind of acknowledgement
Starting point is 00:01:57 instead she'd rather talk about what piece of land she's standing on that just keep on This morning, our committee tabled a report on systemic racism and policing. Our committee began the study almost a year ago, and today we'll share some of the findings. As Vice Chief Terry Teaguey, what he had to say. From British Columbia Assembly of First Nations explained to the committee, and I'm quoting, in my language, we call the RCMP Nilchukin.
Starting point is 00:02:33 Nilchukin. I like that. It's got a nice ring to it. Thanks, Chief. Which interpreted in our language is those who take us away. The relationship between police officers and the people they serve is a fun... Jesus Christ. What did you say? People take us away?
Starting point is 00:02:54 That's terrible. Language we call the RCMP Nielchukin, which interpreted in our language is those who take us away. Oh, my God. we're off to a great start, aren't we? Where's this going? Well, I hope somebody set him straight. You know what I mean? Did somebody set him straight?
Starting point is 00:03:12 I imagine going through life thinking that. What a dumb comment. It's such a stupid comment. The RCMP are known people who take us away. You know, does he still believe this? Who knows? Who knows if he still believes us? I remember working one day.
Starting point is 00:03:35 And I don't know if I told the story before. but I went past the mom and dad and they had a little kid and they say to the kid, it's what happens. That's what happens when you're bad. The police will come to your door, come and get you. And I turned to the kid and I said, you could be as bad as you want. I'll never do that to you.
Starting point is 00:03:57 I hate it when people, when parents put fear into children's minds about police. They lie about police. they don't realize, they probably think they're being funny, but they don't realize what they're doing. So I hope the chief doesn't think that anymore. The relationship between police officers and the people they serve is fundamentally about trust.
Starting point is 00:04:31 This report tries to offer solutions to rebuild trust and advocate for stronger mechanisms to ensure accountability for officers when they violate that trust. The RCMP must have more effective civilian oversight body. That's scary, right? That's scary. To achieve this, we must...
Starting point is 00:04:54 People that know nothing about policing need more authority, right? Properly resource and empower the Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the RCMP, also known as the CRCC. Okay. Better hold the RCMP to account. They need to hold the...
Starting point is 00:05:13 CRCC needs more power. Dr. Allen Benson, executive officer of native counseling services of Alberta. Explain the CRCC needs the power to impose sanctions or consequences. What? Recommendations in this... Rewind that just a titch. Sorry guys, I gotta hear that.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Explain the CRCC needs the power to impose sanctions or consequences. Okay, I hope the MPF is watching this. You do never ever want to give the CRCC power to impose sanctions. Are you guys are done? Do you know how these guys think? Do you know who the chair of the CRCC is? Maybe I'll show a clip. If I show the clip, there might not be any volume for a few seconds for those on Spotify.
Starting point is 00:06:05 Right. Is that better? I need to speak to you today on the subject. Now you need to hold the microphone back from your... Okay. A Deb 2 don't avoid do me thanks a... I'm not getting translation. Sorry. I'm not getting translation chair.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Oh, sorry. Translation. Because I'm not sure how to change. to the French the French piece. So that's the lady who runs it.
Starting point is 00:07:13 These are the people that are going to sanction you, police. I've reviewed their reports. They're insane. They got mad at the RCMP for an RCMP member knocking on somebody's door
Starting point is 00:07:26 and they called that trespassing. If they have the power to sanction you got, you're done. You're done. It's lunate. The reports are lunatic behavior type style reports.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Like somebody literally writing a report that suffers from mental illness, that's what the reports look like. I can't find the reports anymore. It seems like they've taken them down, basically. I don't know why. I don't know why there's so much secrecy. These systemic racism meetings were open to the public since June 2020. December 7th was the last one that they opened to the public.
Starting point is 00:08:08 after December 7, 2020, the rest of them, there was like 10 more, all closed to the public. And they want the RC&B to be accountable. Shouldn't they be transparent? How did they come up with these recommendations? Shouldn't have that been transparent? How did you come up with the findings? Were we not allowed to see how you did it? Why did you close it off?
Starting point is 00:08:33 I did a video that proved, maybe I'll put a card up to show you what video I want you to watch. CRCC and they actually proved by accident that there was no evidence of systemic racism in the RCMP. Lahi, Laughie, Laughie, whatever it is, she came out and she upset everybody because she said, everybody, all are complainants, which is a lot of them are bad guys, right? The bad guy goes, bad guy goes to the police, they say, investigate this, I didn't like how it was treated. The police say, no, you were treated fine. They go to the CRCC. they do their investigation.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Laffey comes out and says, nobody is complaining about racism. Nobody. No one is. They're not complaining about systemic racism. None of them are saying. This happened to me because of the color of my skin. That outraged this committee.
Starting point is 00:09:33 And maybe that's why they started making all the meetings private. Okay, I'll settle down. Recommendations in this report state... And I know I need a haircut, okay? Stop it. The chairperson of the CRCC herself referred to the process of filing a complaint as, quote, excessively bureaucratic and difficult to navigate. According to Dr. Benson, this makes the complaint process, quote,
Starting point is 00:10:01 consequently inaccessible for those who might otherwise file. We agree with the chairperson's assessment and want to see the CRCC become a more diverse organization. I'm going to turn now to our chair of our committee, John McKay. Oh, my God. I didn't even know this guy was going to talk. And I appreciate the opportunity to offer a few observations to what I consider to be a very significant report into one of Canada's premier institutions. You guys did such a good job. I tabled this morning the report was titled a report on systemic racism and policing.
Starting point is 00:10:41 and largely focused on the RCMP. Indeed, the Mounties are associated with Canada around the world, and the world associates Canada with the Mounties. Not anymore. You ruin that. Or there is a season and a time for a reckoning for every country and its institutions. What the hell does that mean? I'm not even smart enough to figure it.
Starting point is 00:11:10 It's going to be all wordy, okay? Okay. We already know that they believe their systemic racism and policing. We're not going to hear an example. Maybe we will hear an example today. We just might. But I bet you it's going to be all wordy. They're going to throw out these big words, guys. This, in my judgment, is a time for Canada to have a reckoning with itself and with its premier institutions. What does that mean? The RCMP was founded as a quasi-military institution.
Starting point is 00:11:47 What year are we talking? Why is he talking about today? And in some respects has never left that mandate. Oh, which ones? Which respects? He's not going to tell you. Canadians, however, are looking for something different. No.
Starting point is 00:12:05 A police service. And therein lies a significant. significant difference. I commend to all those who are reading the report, recommendations number eight and nine, which encourages the transition from a quasi-military institution to a police service with civilian oversight. Oh, yeah. Recommendations one to seven deal with the dysfunctional relationship between the civilian review and complaints commission. Well, dysfunctional. You damn right.
Starting point is 00:12:50 It's dysfunctional. Okay. RCC and the RCMP. Yeah. Well, you can't reason with crazy, McKay. Pam was understated in her comments about the. dysfunctionality of this relationship. The commissioner for the CRC,
Starting point is 00:13:17 now here we go. Technical difficulties. These requests were not handled in a timely fashion. Okay, yeah. If they were handled at all. Who cares? Get on with it. They were handled in an unsatisfactory manner.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Yeah. And frequently, any requests or recommendations were left to die. Wow, you guys sure got to the bottom of this, didn't you? This has to stop. Has to stop. Enough is enough. As chair of the committee, I was struck by the forcefulness of the commissioner for the CRCC and her dissatisfaction.
Starting point is 00:14:08 We're going to be here all day. With the RCMP. So my college will talk about, no doubt, what? Other elements of the recommendations, evidence, all of which I think the committee worked hard on. And I want to recognize the hard work of everyone on the committee. There was a minimum of partisanship and rancor.
Starting point is 00:14:34 that this committee did what it was supposed to do. Took in evidence. Took in evidence. What evidence? What evidence? That there isn't systemic racism, that nobody's really complaining about race, except for these people?
Starting point is 00:14:51 In terms of the RCMP, I must highlight that the commission's lens tends to focus on individual allegations of bias, discrimination, or racism. We do not get complaints of systemic racism as a rule. And she just said, she just proved that there really isn't systemic racism because nobody's really complaining about it. Did you hear that? It's kind of a big deal, isn't it? We do not get complaints of systemic racism as a rule, huh? What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:15:20 You're telling me that people aren't complaining, all your complainants aren't, the bad guys aren't complaining about systemic racism? Now this committee watching that, hearing this, they don't like that. They don't like hearing evidence. What? No. You watch the reaction to what she's saying. On average, we receive 3,000 to 3,500 complaints per year, and we tend to send about 2,800 of those complaints over to the RCMP. Over the course of the past five years, we've received 76 complaints that deal with bias, racism, or discrimination.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Bias, racism, or discrimination. So, 76 cases of it. We don't know how many cases of racism. She blumps it together with bias and discrimination and racism. 76 complaints. Let's just go ahead and say it's 76 complaints of racism, which it isn't. Now, think about that for a second. 3,500 cases a year.
Starting point is 00:16:15 That's 17,000, it's around 17,000 complaints that they deal with that they have dealt with in the past five years. Out of all those cases, they got 76 cases of people complaining about racism. That's it. Now, you better believe the people listening to this, and you're going to hear it. They didn't like the sounds of that. She just told you that nobody's complaining about systemic racism. Kind of a big deal, isn't it? Don't see, I was just asked by one of the members to meet that last assistant.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Thank you, John. So this ratio is minor if we look at the total number of complaints. Ms. Lahai, can you please clarify for me again the number of complaints that you get and how many you get based on race and discrimination? That number is quite low. I mean, can you just clarify, you know? You need more clarification, right? Just clarify.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Okay, can you please clarify? Clarify what? Clarify, you know, given that there's a clear differential of results of racialized people. I hope you're not concluding that since there's a low number of complaints based on racism that there is little or no systemic racism within the RCMP. I hope you're not. I hope you're not concluding that because that would be very racist of you, you white, privileged lady. I just want to understand the statistics.
Starting point is 00:17:31 They started doing these meetings on three files. Chief Adam Allen. Investigation complete. The tackle was fine within the guidelines of the RCMP. Corridor. Investigation complete deemed an accident, which it was. Wasn't race? Racist?
Starting point is 00:17:52 Chantelle Moore. Went at a cop with a knife. attacked him with a knife, justified shooting. No racism. George Floyd is another reason why they started this. So what if those things are deemed not racist, then haven't they been working on a fairy tale basically for the past year? And they complain about the CRCC being dysfunctional with the RCMP.
Starting point is 00:18:25 You guys are focused on something that's dysfunctional. That doesn't even make sense, that you haven't even proved that you can't even come up with an example of systemic racism and policing. What policy and procedure is racist? Just name me one. Give me one. That makes all of RCMP systemically racist. You tell us what policy and procedure you want us to change. Give us an example what exactly it is that you want us to change.
Starting point is 00:18:54 and then produced, after a lot of hard work, the report that you see before you today. So may I recommend to you that report, and hopefully this will constitute a path forward to address the racism and policing in Canada. Racism and policing in Canada. Please tell me. Thank you, John. It has been a great pleasure to you join today for talking. of two recommendations,
Starting point is 00:19:27 in this part, out. This report of the committee. All the recommendations 41 and 42 which it's
Starting point is 00:19:37 the question of the importance We already know what land you're standing on. If we are going to fight and combat systemic racism
Starting point is 00:19:47 that exists in institutions such as the RCMP first we have to figure out which part is racist, right?
Starting point is 00:19:55 If you're going to combat it, right? You have to make sure that you're collecting the data necessary to measure where you are. Oh, you're admitting there is no data so you can't measure it. Okay. Just simply can't. Then how did you determine that there is systemic racism of policing if there's no data? We're collecting the data necessary to measure where you are. You just simply can't change what you can't measure. And so I'd like to compliment the members of the The Public Security Committee part-
Starting point is 00:20:27 Under the- You can't change what you can't measure. But then why are you changing shit? The chairmanship of Mr. McKay and all the members who worked very hard. Yeah, okay, you worked hard. To making sure that they heard from witnesses who were particularly concerned
Starting point is 00:20:43 about how to ensure that the path forward will lead to less systemic discrimination, anti-black racism, anti-indigenous policing. They said right. indigenous that does exist in our system oh it does it exists you know we
Starting point is 00:21:01 sorry guys will lead to less systemic discrimination anti-black racism anti-indigenous policing that could exist that does exist oh that could
Starting point is 00:21:12 that does it could it does he's not even certain in our system oh it does how you know we know that our justice and public security institutions have marginal
Starting point is 00:21:25 indigenous people's black and racialized people in Canada. Okay. The over criminalization of people of color perpetuates systemic racism and leads to worsening outcomes. The over criminalization of people. The over criminalization. People of color perpetuates systemic racism. There's too much crime.
Starting point is 00:21:49 They're committing too much crime, therefore it's, is that their example? They're committing the crime. Police are around. are arresting them. They go to jail and that's your fault police officers
Starting point is 00:22:02 that they're committing crime. It's over crime. They're committing too much crime. Our government is committed to building a more inclusive Canada which means... Do you even understand what he's talking about? It means we must seek
Starting point is 00:22:15 more effective ways to shape policing. Which ways? And if I can just say the two recommendations that were in the report that was really important, I don't speak French, okay?
Starting point is 00:22:27 I don't understand what he's saying. That's why I'm doing this. It's sure that an analysis racial, critical, I like French people, okay? Love French people. Fonded on the race, especially the girls.
Starting point is 00:22:38 But there are French people that watch us. But there are French people that watch us. Dmitize, more than the people rationalized and the people racialized and the autoctone. 10-4. That's a recommendation key. And, two-eem-time,
Starting point is 00:22:53 is that you travel in this direction. Yeah. It's going to continue. The recommendations of this report will be assured that the Parliament will really eliminate the racist with our forces police.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Thank you. Now, I'd like to cede the parole my colleague of St. Laurent, Cartreveille, Emmanuel de Ombrompolis. Thank you, Greg. It's not even Cardiffin.
Starting point is 00:23:20 It's just St. Laurent. This report is extremely important. And then, as we know, the police has to fast forward this. Thank you, Emmanuel. Good morning, everyone. A little over a year ago, death of George Floyd shook the...
Starting point is 00:23:37 You see what I mean? You see what I mean? Okay, shook the world, yeah. Entire world. Knowing full well that Canada is not immune to racism and after learning the... Because that'd be racist, right? It's racist to say
Starting point is 00:23:59 there is no system. racism in policing. That's racist. She's letting you know that. Horrifying incidents involving the RCMP and the indigenous people. Hold on a second. And after learning the horrifying incidents involving the RCMP. Horrifying incidences involving the RCMP. Canada, you're just going to sit there.
Starting point is 00:24:27 We're not going to do anything about it. We'll just go by our day, right? I can't believe it. Which ones? Against the RCMP maybe, eh? Against a police dog and a young police constable that was at the top of his game. That's horrifying. Death of George Floyd shook the entire world, knowing full well that Canada is not immune to racism. And after learning the horrifying incidents involving the RCMP and the indigenous people, my colleagues and I on committee...
Starting point is 00:25:06 Yeah. There's been a couple of horrifying moments with the RCMP in indignious people. Care to tell us which ones you're talking about? He set out to better understand the presence of systemic racism in policing in Canada and the impact it has on indigenous black and racialized Canadians. I've seen this impact close up in my own community of Brampton, where DeAndre Campbell, a young black man and Ajax Jodri, an elderly Muslim Canadian, represent just two of the many
Starting point is 00:25:41 stories of people who were taken from their families and communities far too soon. See how she does that, guys? DeAndre Campbell was ruled a justified shooting. They go to his house. He's suffering from mental illness. He has a knife. He's fighting with his mom. Police shot him. They tried to taser him. That didn't work. So they shot him. It was justified. but she wants you to think it was cold-blooded murder. These are the people that have been doing these meetings for the past year. In her mind, from a couple examples, she just said, police are racist, systemically. Their deaths were avoidable and serve as a...
Starting point is 00:26:38 Their deaths were avoidable. She's a police officer. She's telling you, they were avoidable. Why weren't they avoided? Is it the police fault that he had schizophrenia? That he's fighting with his mom and that he's holding a knife? How avoidable? How was that avoidable?
Starting point is 00:26:56 How does she know that? She doesn't know it. Constant reminder of the work that remains. Oh. There's more work to be done, guys. More work to be done. Things that we heard throughout the study and was identified. That nobody complained about systemic racism,
Starting point is 00:27:18 that the complainants actually didn't complain, that they didn't think that they didn't even bring it up. They didn't even bring it up. They didn't even say, this happened to me because of the color of my skin. They proved that. As a major challenge for police services with the increasingly number of police interactions
Starting point is 00:27:36 in responding to crisis related to mental health or wellness checks, the committee heard extensive... That's because they're... police are cleaning up your mess. People refuse to help people that are suffering from mental health in this country. They let them roam the streets. They call them homeless. They're not homeless.
Starting point is 00:27:55 They're suffering from mental health. And drug addiction. Nobody's helping them. The police are forced. They're the experts. They're specialized because they do it every day. That's all police do is deal with people that are suffering from mental health. and people some people who suffer from mental health they could be killers they could kill you they could
Starting point is 00:28:21 cut your head off on a bus you could just be sitting in a bus and they could cut your head off some of them are you mad at me for saying that just the truth they can be dangerous she she doesn't want anybody suffering from mental health dying i don't either so how about you fix their mind focus on that the root of the problem culturally specific mental health, addiction, and social service support to respond to the crisis or to prevent them all together. Yeah, get the funding. Build some institutions. Save these people. And to encourage... Take their rights away, okay? You're not allowed to roam this street with a crazy mind. How about that? I've said it before, I'll say it again. You get schizophrenia tonight. You walk out of your house.
Starting point is 00:29:10 do you not want somebody to come and apprehend you and fix you? You don't want them releasing you from the hospital. You've given up your job. You've given up your house. You've given up your children. But they give you the power to leave that hospital and roam the streets. You don't really want that, do you? I'm not going to get into this again.
Starting point is 00:29:32 There's the use of personal specialized in victim services, mental health, who would be available with first responders in situations requiring de-escalation that are tailored to address the needs of the specific community involved so that we can continue to construct a Canada in which all Canadians, regardless of their race identity, feel safe at their homes and their communities. Well, not everybody's going to feel safe. Bad guys are not going to feel safe. But I would say all Canadians, do you fear the police guys?
Starting point is 00:30:06 Are you sitting at home shaking in your boots? Like, really? I pretty darn certain that Canada feels pretty safe, safe of their police forces. She wants you to think that they're not. Megmoggy, the unseated territory of the McMaq people. Okay. I want to take a quick second. I'm the newest member of this committee, and I wanted to take a moment to thank my colleagues,
Starting point is 00:30:32 the colleagues who spoke before me today that did the heavy lifting, the mammoth work. Mammoth. To get this report across the finish line. So thank you very much to those folks. spoke before. Mammoth. Look, it's no secret that Canada's institutions, most of which were born from colonialism. Oh, here we go.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Here we go. Oh, Lord. All the institutions, those firefighters, I tell you, biggest racist sons of guns ever, aren't they? Every institution. We're designed with the cards stacked against black, indigenous, and racialized people. Okay. But can we talk about today? Okay?
Starting point is 00:31:15 Can we talk about today? We know that this systemic racism continues to persist. How? How's that? These institutions. How? It continues to persist within the justice system. How?
Starting point is 00:31:29 And police departments right across the country. Okay, tell me how. We know that the government has been paying very close attention to the study. And as our government continues to work towards a more inclusive country. We have to ensure that transforming the... and is at the forefront of that work. Yes. The recommendations in this report are meant to be helpful,
Starting point is 00:31:49 not only for our government, but for all orders of government and police departments across the country. Okay. It's important that all orders of government step up to tackle this issue within their respective jurisdictions. Head on. I thank you very much for attending today,
Starting point is 00:32:06 and I will pass it over to Pam to wrap up. God. I thought we're going to learn about the recommendations. There were 42 recommendations in the report. We have not been able to go through all of them in limited time. There's training recommendations around training, increase diversity. More training, guys.
Starting point is 00:32:24 You guys need better training, more training, more training, okay? More training, better training, more de-escalation, okay? You need more de-escalation skills, guys. Better training. Your training is racist. We heard from 53 witnesses. We've received 21 briefs, and we'll be pleased to take questions now if anyone has any. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:32:40 Thank you. We have a question from Mia Rapson from the Canadian press. What are you going to say to you? Go ahead. Your line is now open. Hi. Yes. Good morning.
Starting point is 00:32:52 See, I wonder if I could call in, you know? Mr. McKay, you talked about being struck by the force. You know, hi, Mrs. What's her name? I don't know. Nancy. Nancy, I'm just curious. Can you give me one example?
Starting point is 00:33:09 if you were to change one policy in the RCMP that's racist you got to identify that one or procedure okay tell me which one would it be of the chair of the CRCC and and I'm just wondering if you could expand a little bit on what you would like to see I've seen some of the recommendations but it seems like one of the biggest issues is that the CRCC recommendations just aren't being implemented whatsoever I'm just wondering if you could expand on that a little bit. Hi. Yes, I've been, as you know, been around the hill for quite a number of years. Isn't it weird?
Starting point is 00:33:46 All they're doing is talking about the CRCC. I thought we're going to talk about systemic racism in policing. Quite a number of committees. And it's seldom been my experience, the commissioner and efficacy. Sorry, guys, I've got to edit this part out. Least subtle. And so you'll take note that the first seven recommendations, dare say, and that that might be job one that are so.
Starting point is 00:34:09 admitted through the CRCC. Wow. Thank you. And I'm also wondering. Sorry, could I add something to that? Oh, please do. Sure. I don't think families should have to wait that long.
Starting point is 00:34:24 And I think we all feel that any recommendations that are made must be implemented. Hold on a second. Thank you. Any recommendations that they make must be. stations that are made must be implemented. Must be implemented. Well, that's power. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Can I just ask that when you take to the mic that you identify yourself, because those of us not watching on television. It's Nancy. I'm sorry. Nancy? I'm sorry. That was Pam Demoff speaking. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:55 Thank you. Oh. I'm just also wondering, when this study began last spring, there was some criticism that it was just another stalling tactic, that we knew what the problems were. We know that systemic. know. They got these people asking the questions. We knew what the problems were, guys. We knew. We know that systemic racism is a problem in policing and that we weren't going to identify anything new with this study.
Starting point is 00:35:26 You didn't. Just wondering if a year later anyone on the committee feels that nothing new was uncovered or if this really was a beneficial exercise. No, no. It was mammoth. It's Pamdomoff speaking again. I think what was known throughout the country was that systemic racism exists. And particularly by those who have come in contact with police services across. That aren't complaining about racism. The CRCC investigates thousands upon thousands of reports. Nobody's complaining about racism. This is unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:36:07 Working on a fairy tale. And throughout the country was that systemic racism exists. Dr. Alan Benson put it very well that there needs to be accountability, but also very importantly, there needs to be consequences when people are not behaving as they should when they're doing their job. Can you give me an example? Which one? There should be consequences against you guys. Isn't there? Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:36:38 Don't you think there is consequences with excessive force? when a police officer uses excessive force when he shouldn't? Trust me, if a police officer uses excessive force and doesn't have a right to use that force, they're punished, harshly. And may I, it's John McGarry again. And in a lot of cases, they're punished even when they're justified. Do you guys get any of this?
Starting point is 00:37:03 Like when you actually think about it and you look at the big picture, there's systemic racism in policing. They're actually telling you. that police are over-arresting a certain type of group. It's such bullshit. You start your shift, you don't want to arrest anybody. Take here, Matt. You've got both shots.
Starting point is 00:37:29 The next question is from Tom Korski, from Blacklock's reporter. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. Okay, three minutes. I'll make it short. Thank you. You said last year, I'm quoting, in the United States, possibly even other police forces here in Canada.
Starting point is 00:37:48 The unions have frequently been a huge problem, particularly protecting officers who by any other circumstances should have been let go, unquote. Report doesn't use the phrase police unions. Can you comment? These are the questions, guys. You know what I think? I think that they started this committee knowing that systemic racism exists in policing, so they already knew it. So that's why they never tried to approve. prove it. They all went into the meeting. Everybody knows that systemic racism exists in policing.
Starting point is 00:38:21 So there's no point to prove it. They already know it. They just know it because they don't even know why they know it. They just think it. This wasn't even about systemic racism. It's a call for more accountability, more transparency, more training, and a whole variety of things that hopefully will militate against the very issues that we saw in Well, we see in the United States on a regular basis. Hey, man, don't put down the United States. Okay? This guy's going to put down the United States. What a jerk off.
Starting point is 00:38:55 What a jerk. There's nothing in this report that says there are systemic racists. It says that the institution themselves have systemic racism. And that's the full. This is so stupid. This is so stupid, man. institutions of systemic racism but we can't exactly point to where here it is guys she said there's 42 of them right i don't know if you could see this yeah there's 42 42 recommendations i'm not
Starting point is 00:39:33 reading these right now but i'm gonna this is what the study came out and said there's 42 of them ensure indignious investigators are involved where the complaint involves indignious people and why would you do that? You get to pick the race of the cop? I can't get into this. This will just consume me for the day. It'll drive me nuts. She's so full of shit her last comment.
Starting point is 00:40:02 They are saying that members in the RCMP are racist because this is recommendation number five. That the RCMP implement effective, ongoing training and disciplinary policies for RCMP officers in order to prevent systemic racism and racial profiling and require the RCMP to publish and blah la la la la. I can't get into this.
Starting point is 00:40:30 I'm not doing this. The government explore the possibility of ending contract policing with the RCMP. This is what it's all about. Bringing down the RCMP. Oh, listen to this one. RCMP established programs and review, revise policies to encourage officers who are stationed in First Nations.
Starting point is 00:40:55 I thought you couldn't say First Nations anymore. Medi, Inuit, and Northern communities to accept longer postings in order to better establish ties with the communities they are serving. No, that's not fair. Believe me. Do you want them to all be wing nuts? Every cop?
Starting point is 00:41:17 North, guys. That's tough shit up there. Do not expect them to accept longer postings up there. Oh, I love this. That they decriminalize a simple possession of illicit drugs as called upon the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police and Public Health Officials. That they pardon all individuals convicted of simple possession of illicit drugs. What does that have to do with racism?
Starting point is 00:41:44 restorative justice programs are effective available to indignious black and other racialized people throughout the country. Because restorative justice works, right? It worked for the 12 and 14 year olds, right? Shooting at police over there in the United States. Constantly given a free card out of jail. Restorative justice can kiss my ass. A police officer just gets killed. and they're talking about restorative justice
Starting point is 00:42:27 overpopulation of a certain group in jail frustrating it's frustrating to sit here and read this and I don't want to do it anymore I don't want to talk about this anymore so let's just call it a day thanks for watching I don't even know if I'm going to post this
Starting point is 00:42:50 because I don't think it was any good have a good weekend bye bye

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