Club 520 Podcast - 2024 Best of Club 520: Derrick Rose on NBA retirement, Bulls MVP season, scoring 50 with T'Wolves

Episode Date: January 4, 2025

To end the year we're throwing back to some of our biggest Club 520 interviews of the season! In this exclusive episode, Jeff Teague and the guys sit down with Derrick Rose for his first appearance since announcing his retirement from the NBA after his career with the Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks, and more. Jeff and D-Rose talk about playing against each other in AAU basketball as kids, becoming the youngest MVP in NBA history, and being teammates on the Minnesota Timberwolves. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Plus Premium terms at NFL.com slash terms. Alright, we back. Another episode of Club 520 Podcast. I'm your host. My name is DJ Wells. We got a legend, legend, legend, legend in the building. Class of 07. Crazy how it all lined up. We're here for a reason. We're going to introduce him last

though. To my far left, we got my dog Bishop. He's here after prayer leaves. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty to introduce him last, though. To my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Henn, out there prayerlies. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. I'm back, baby. Let's get to it. Yeah, you got your one PTO day here. I appreciate the shout-out to B. Swift, legend, holding it down for 42 Doug, my dog, Henn.

But I'm glad you pulled back up to work, my boy. I'm back. I'm back. Let's get to it, baby. Now, D-Rose, you know what I'm saying? You've been a lot of places, especially, you know what I'm saying, from the shot. Those shoes over here, you see the black forces with the white laces. When you, you know what I'm saying, you at the crib and you see those, what's the first thing that come to your mind?

For sure, you jacking. Jacking something. Watch out, bro. I don't steal. I heal. Hide your wallet. Hide your wallet. The white laces mean hide your wallet.

That is crazy. Nah, I'm fact. So y'all calling me a scammer? No, no, no I mean, you said it You shown it Hey, you always talk About the Nigerians It might be a lineage

On the left It's about right My dog, Young Nacho Young Teague How you doing, man? I'm chilling, man I'm geeked Y'all know how I feel

About 07 And we got my dog In the building It's about to be a great night I'm gonna let you do the honors to introduce me but i'm like listen it's very rarely that everybody we had that one person on our list unanimous and we started this podcast like who we wanted on this show it was this man right here legend icon youngest mvp one of the best to do it your favorite hoopers favorite hooper we got d rose derrick rose in the building appreciate you pulling up big dog love. Love, bro.

Love, man. What's going on, man? Had to pull up. Midwest shit. You know what I'm saying? You know what it is? Hey, listen. Like I said, bro, we all be fanned out over different stuff.

But when we found out that you rocked with the show, bro, that meant a lot to us, bro. For real, for real, bro. Yeah, man. Of course, me, my son, and my team, Randall and Matty, they told me about it. Shout out to the squad. Of course, right when the idea came up, I had to pull up.

And with it being so close to Chicago. Yeah, the niggas got you a caterer, bro. Now listen. Niggas door dance to beat up. I usually hooter somebody some but see

nah we was like we got D-Raz like freaking my game I told you boy you might be a caterer after this boy you and Chef Paul

shout out to Chef Paul y'all went crazy for this episode man I gotta say something before we really start but my dog Mike alright Mike is our guy

behind the scenes but they know Freaky Mike the podcast family he told me I don't get excited about too many guests bro I'm hype

I said what Freaky Mike he put on the whole outfit today he done took his boot off he put the fresh shoes on I said I didn't see he got the DJ

I told you I told you he got no DJs in that episode he got you. Oh, no. I'll tell you what he does when no DJs in that episode. He got an outfit on. Wow, he wildin'. You different.

I respect that. Damn, you need to send that nigga some roses. The fuck? No, man, shout out to Freaky Mike

for honing it down, man. But listen, man, we are honored that you are here, man. Man,

we just got to start with it. Fuck, my hat fell over. This is crazy, man. I want to say, man, shout out to you and the team, man. But listen, man, we are honored that you are here, man. Man, we just got to start with it. Fuck, my hat fell over. This is crazy, man. I want to say, man, shout out to you and the team, man. One of the best rollouts I have ever seen, man.

Wow. For real, for real. Just the way that you went through everything and we was joking with Teague about this. We were just like, D-Rose is such a legend.

He's the only person who can send another D-Rose and nobody think nothing else of it. Ain't nobody having fun. Everybody was like, hey, what's up with that? It's like, no, that's D-Rose, bro. bro it's a reason for that i'm glad it came with a note

you got a lot of motherfuckers in trouble i was nervous as hell at the crib so it's crazy because the week before i had bought my wife some roses and put them on there yeah so they died or whatever so she sent me a picture of them i'm like damn she didn't buy her own rose i'm fucking up so i was like i would have got him and she was like fool read the note i was like oh so it was me and my team we decided to like just come up with something different you know like we did that within like two weeks um randall and maddie um stand up late uh going over shit to the day before stand up to three o'clock in the morning to send out the post making sure you dot your i's cross your t's but this whole shit was about like just giving back or just flipping everything on his head where normally when you do do something like this, you receive

the flowers. But I didn't get here by myself. You know what I'm saying? I got here with Randall. I've been knowing him since sixth grade. I've been knowing Matty since 10 plus years now. And my team, it's the same thing. It's sixth grade. And that's something that we built. We're building an empire right now. But just doing it the right way, trying to do it with class, and just showing a lot of love and support to all the fans. No, that's hard, man. That's hard. We definitely appreciate that.

I know. You know, for you, you can speak on this, you know what I'm saying? Class of 07, you know what I'm saying, careers. When you knew at the time, how was that? Like that moment where you was like, all right, you know what, I'm going to see what the other side might be for a second. See, my retirement was a little different. It was kind of because of injury, but I just knew my time was up.

I wanted to ask you, like, when did you know you were done playing? Like, what made you feel like, yeah, I'm going to hang it up? Because I feel like to me, watching you and knowing you, I'm like, man, he could play forever. I just think you had that ability. I just wonder, like, what made you want to hang it up? Bruh, i've been thinking about it for a while bro but um what i was just telling you in the room or telling y'all

in the room about like uh like give me your all to your kid like my younger kids they don't mention the game at all they don't say they don't ask about are we going to the game they don't mention the game at all. They don't ask about, are we going to the game? They don't say nothing, bro. So with PJ, I had to talk to him a little bit different. So before I even talked to everybody, we in the room, it's me and him just talking. And before then, I'm thinking the whole time, like, damn, when am I going to have this conversation with him, right?

So we're talking, and he brings up Kyan, and we was just in the room talking about Melo. So I'm like, all this conversation with him, right? So we're talking, and he brings up Kyan and then, and we was just in the room talking about Melo. So I'm like, all right, it's time. I'm like, come downstairs. He comes downstairs. I'm like, bro, how you think he got better? He was like, he working out with a trainer.

I'm like, who else in the gym? His dad. His dad, huh? His dad present. I'm like, you think Melo ain't got nothing to do with that he was like yeah but after I kept talking at first when I told him of course devastated hurt but after I kept talking to him he was excited because he seemed like man now I get this individual time with my dad and like my son, he know exactly where he's at right now.

Like this moment, he knows exactly where he's at. So for me to tell him that and for him to be like sad at first, then be excited. And since that day has been nothing but love, but I knew, right. Like sometimes since,

since like last year, I'm going through it. You know, you go through the rehabs. You're the only one that's going through that shit, bro. Like nobody else, your family members, nobody else's staff, your wife, nobody going through it, but you. So I'm like, man, um, you have the question of like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like give them all like, all right, right it's cool but i want to be able to uh elevate to show growth and that's one of the reasons why i came on here because i wanted to like tell my stories and uh to be able to articulate myself and show people the growth

from when i first came to the league to now with me being a grown-ass man that's real bro and like you said like that the influence especially at this age is so impressionable to now with me being a grown-ass man. That's real, bro. Facts. And like you said, like, that influence, especially at this age, it's so impressionable with kids growing up so fast and being exposed to so much.

And we was talking, like, in the room, but, you know what I'm saying, shout out to Pop T. Like, having y'all in the gym early on, having, like you said, it does make a difference. No, facts. Yeah, facts.

But I wanted to make sure that we clarified that, like, you decided to retire, not that anything else, like, situation with to retire, not that anything else like the situation with Memphis, if you want to speak on it. Yeah, I mean, even with that, I really didn't want to speak on it, but people thought that, like, they weighed me. That's just a process of them trying to, I guess, do business

or figure out the numbers on the back end, in which that has nothing to do with me. But what I can control is what I did. I reached out to Zach prior. My team reached out to everyone prior and told them, reached out to Adidas so that everybody's on the same accord. And, yeah, just doing good business. That's something that I always did throughout my whole career,

even though I fucked up in the beginning um having some lessons i had to learn sure uh i got through that and um i'm all i always been optimistic bro as long as i got my breath bro i'm always gonna get my i know i got a chance and i feel like that way about anybody around me so like um yeah give them all and you know just paying attention to where I'm at in this time for sure now listen man we're gonna talk about the career we gotta talk about the first time y'all met you know what I'm saying I'll be waiting for this listen first time man right this before I was

even like getting 30 because I did kill them don't worry I'm gonna get to that I'm gonna get to that I'm gonna get to that

but I seen him in 8th grade going to 8th grade he played for a team called Ferrari and it was a team called Houston Hoops we in a gas station

and they like you good but they just talking to us like he nice you nice this dude nice but you ever seen derrick rose i'm like who that and your name like your name sound fake like derrick rose like you don't hear nobody's last name rose like instead of jaylen rose i was like

he called it like they call him d rose he called so we go to the game. Y'all happened to be playing a team from Memphis. It was just Memphis Magic. Boom. You remember that, right? Wow. Yeah, Memphis Magic. That's crazy. I remember that. I do.

And I'm like, they threw the first play. They threw you alive. And you ain't dunking. You just finger rolled it in. And I said, oh, shit. Nah. Ain't nobody else doing that and they had one dude they might have beat y'all they did yeah i'm gonna say they might have beat y'all i had one

dude that was cooking i can't remember his name the georgia georgia tech uh i forgot his name uh mo miller yeah there you go yes he had a good game he had a good game but i'll never forget i was like yeah that nigga different like this nigga killing yeah but that nigga moving faster jumping harder than everybody

my dad was like we gonna be reading about him yup you know how my dad yup we ain't gonna be reading about him

he ain't supposed to be on this team I was like he older he older this nigga younger than me so that nigga reclass

nigga I'm nigga reclass. Nigga, I'm the reclass. I'm like, this nigga younger than me. I'm like, what the fuck? They like, yeah, yo, you a couple months older than him. What the fuck? Happy belated, too, by the way. Yeah, for sure. I felt that way about Mike, bro.

And USA, we play 16 to 17, USA. He my roommate his i he i had to look at his id his id was on the table right he left the room i'm like he's so good bro i gotta see if you you're real i looked at his id bro he was younger my bro how the are you you young Mike who Mike Beasley he younger than us bro and cold bro I'm like how the fuck is you this cold shout out to Mike man keep your head up nigga yeah facts but nah that's what I first met he played for four hours not met him but that's the first time I seen yeah but my first time I played against you so we had a tone sticking you you had braids then yep you had a break shit going on 30 bro and tone our coach he uh tone the guy that was sticking you his uh dad was the coach and he would not get tone off

of him so we like bro this whole game I'm out, bro, hitting three step back, tone, lateral movement, fucked up. You can't do shit. Check out all that. Bro, by the end, did we beat y'all? Yeah, y'all beat us. We ended up beating them, but he had a great game. And I'm like, bro, I got to watch, dude, bro. But in our class, when you ran up against niggas like that,

you knew, like, it challenged like that, you knew like, it challenged you in a way though, bro. When like I was, when we was talking in the room about OJ. Yes, sir. When I seen him for the first time, bro, that he changed my whole perspective of the game and like made me feel like I wasn't working hard enough. And my whole chase for the shit was like chasing him so yeah oh nigga you you put that battery in my back for sure now shots of juice juice for sure

nah that nigga was different i'll never forget when y'all got to because we went to abcd that year or last year and you had got hurt but the magic you know i don't forget shit i don't forget shit the matchup was y'all but i'm from indiana so i know i see you i'm like oh they don't know this thing about to kill that nigga yeah so i'm like rooting it's like i don't know why i'm rooting for you but i'm rooting for you like kill him and you get hurt so everybody like oh he hurt he's scared he's scared then i see y'all in vegas i'm like, yeah, that nigga ain't scared. Y'all niggas tripping. They was going at it, bro.

They was having a game. It was one of the best games I seen him and Eric against OJ and Bill. That shit was crazy. We chased them, bro. We used to go to tournaments looking for him. Like really chased OJ, my nigga. That could be a whole chapter of my shit. Chasing him. Going to tournaments, staying in the game.

But it's us, too, but our coaches on bullshit, too. Like, yeah, nigga, we here. We on the same shit. I'm quiet, of course. I'm in the cut, but I'm on that, too, nigga. Like, we wanted that matchup, especially since we played him, like, in seven or eight. And he was on a whole another level and i never forgot that like that's my baseline right there like yeah like i i went

back to shot i stayed in the gym my nigga i uh and i and i um i think my junior year we was close to playing them um but that tyreek and all them was it was in some tournament, and the shit ended up, like, not happening. And that Vegas one that we – and we had EJ. I'm like, oh. Come on, man. I was playing – I had nobody else that was really, like, a D1 player at that time on my team like that. So he had three or four guys.

But to, like, play against him in Vegas on that stage and to know that everybody, like, the alarms and shit was going off. That shit was nuts, bro. That shit was crazy. You said we talking about, we was talking about 07, EJ, him and EJ. That's the craziest back quarter. We played them in a fucking thing.

That's crazy, bro. How'd you feel about him joining the team? Was you like, I love my niggas, but why? I get the niggas. I get the niggas. I played on the team full of winners bro yeah we won even though we was undersized and all that we won a lot of games so when we got him they like hell yeah like we got another dude that can go and um ej we we needed that because i was scoring my brother in high school i I played more organized shit.

I was playing the three like my freshman year. So I don't really have the ball in my hands because my man right there, Ran, he was the point. Did Ran push you to the three? Yeah. Ran, you had juice, my nigga. He had to drop that small footwork. No, that nigga was good.

Oh, no, no. We had like a system. So, like, even when I came in, I played JV because the head coach was like, nah, like, you going to listen. You going to abide by the rules. You ain't bigger than the system. And I went to the school only because Randy knew what went down. So I'm like, all right.

But we won. And I fucked around with the niggas. So I'm like, like uh but we won and i around with the so i'm like all right this like it's love we winning and we low-key we'll beat y'all varsity niggas anyway if y'all put it when we used to practice and that's how we felt so it was all love but the system was the big man get majority of the shots and everybody else fine with whatever they got to do like find your way throughout the game. Until like my brother started coaching and he like, man, I'm going to put you at the point.

That was like my sophomore, junior year. Put me at the point. I started going back to school and they started to like, let me play with the ball a little bit more. So I'm like, I'm running up the court. I don't got to play in the system. Normally I'm getting lobs and all that. Now I'm pushing the point

and everybody else following me. So it opened up my game for real. But at that school, it was strictly just, but I fucked with it though because Simeon groomed me into like all of the guys that went there and groomed us into like

really being young men, learning like discipline, learning that you just can't fuck off. Even though we were like knuckleheads and all that shit. But like knowing that, man, we have a, we have a bond that's bigger than just this basketball shit.

And that's something that we hold on to this day. We have picnics to this day at our school. And that's rare for like a public school to still be having picnics going on and all that shit. What made you choose 25 at Simeon? Ben Wilson. I didn't choose it. All this shit chose me, bro.

Did you? Everything that I've ever been in, I lived in the unknown my whole life. All this shit just came to me. I never wanted none of this. No fame, none of that like even hooping my my um or my basketball dream i didn't know about salaries and none of that until like my my sophomore year it clicked like that may sound crazy my think about that yo sophomore year you it clicked like damn i could change my family life with this

all the way until my sophomore year i had just a pure love for the game. I didn't look at nigga salaries. I didn't look at NBA games like that. I didn't look at niggas outside. I'm hooping. I'm somewhere playing because I had a pure love. Sophomore year hit, I'm like, damn, I'm sitting in the room. I'm arguing with my mom at the time and all that.

You know, mom got that little shit in high school, you look for independent. I'm arguing with her, then it clicked, I could change this shit if I go to the league early. I'm looking at KD now, I'm like, if KD leave, I'm gone. They changed the rule. Changed the rule. I'm like, damn, changed the rule. So I'm like, damn, I got to do a year.

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the Rose Rule. You pioneering, my boy. Like you said, you look at that, and now look at everybody else that's benefiting from you. Yeah, I mean, that's one that, that's the only thing that I care about, bro. Even the wave or the vibration I'm in right now, like I call it DZ or 720,

like DZ Stanford, don't forget about the zealous youth and zealous mean pursuit of a great cause or great energy. So don't forget about the use and pursuit of a great cause. So, uh, like giving back. And I feel like that was one of our ways of like giving back you know and like um like me and my team not only my team but the fans because at that time i'm i'm doing this shit but i'm not knowing why i'm creating yeah you know i'm saying i'm

i'm not going out to clubs i'm not going to dinners i'm not doing your typical shit because i'm thinking that you like you have to be a machine i ain't enjoyed none of that bro until like my fourth year so that rule was not only for me it's for everybody my name is like you're like before the viewers could you explain that rule for him so you know you know what i'm saying some of our lazy followers who didn't pay attention to that rule you know what I'm saying? Some of our lazier followers who didn't pay attention to that rule. You know what I'm saying? The rule is that you get 30% of the cap, meaning that you get an extra $30 million to $40 million if you hit the benchmarks that's in your rookie year contract.

So, all-star team, any award, going to the all-star game, those benchmarks will get you 30% more than the Cup. And yeah, at that time I didn't know what I was doing, but I'm very grateful and very, very thankful that the league allowed me to do that.

Jason Tatum, all them boys on the first team, they thank you for sure. I see Jason tatum told me that straight up fuck with d rose forever you remember he uh you remember i told him like bro he want an autograph he wanted he want a jerk bro he was real like bro d rose the greatest bro i was like not to jump too far here we still gotta talk about the rest of his high school and stuff but like when people would see him when he was on a team together bro i used to tell him like bro you have

a cult following this shit is crazy like and he would come out and he's so humble and chill and i just joke all day i play too much i'll be like yo like y'all want my autograph and shit they just be like who the fuck so the first time we get back to the hoop and stuff but the first time i knew like all right i'm messing with a different type of like status everybody asked you to go out in miami uh we went out you was it was in minnesota i begged you we in miami i begged you to go out i'm like come on man you was on you had you you know how you step on the back of your shoes and shit so you was standing on the back of your shoes you like man nah i can't go bro i'm like nah man come on man please please man come on let's go be cool ain't nobody go man we go we gonna cover you up or anything you like nah it ain't even that bro i'm just telling y'all i don't really like going

out finally you got tired and you're like all like, all right, I'm going to go. We walk in there. We walk in the club. We walk in in the beginning part. And somebody said, dude, D-Rose? I said, shit. I swear to God, like 200 people came. I said, oh, shit.

I looked at Wig. I said, it's some shit. We don't get this kind of love. Hold on. We get in the club. And the dude was like, damn, we just going to put y'all back here. They just started standing outside the section. He looked at me.

He was like, I'm going to go. We using that motherfucker 10 minutes. I'm just going to go. My fault. So imagine that, bro. I ain't want nothing. Like my fault, boy. It's weird even doing this. So putting myself in weird quagmire situations.

You feel what i'm saying normally i typically wouldn't i wouldn't pod and nothing like that but i fuck with y'all shit and in order to grow you got to put yourself in those uncomfortable situations so like uh coming here or even talking like y'all don't know how much this means to me you know what i'm saying like being able to come in and express this shit and express like, uh, just how I feel about where I'm at at this time. So I appreciate y'all niggas.

Nah, I like to have you here, but I'm honored to have you here. I always use, uh, anytime somebody playing the Pacers, you know, this is a little off the radar and I'll be hitting niggas with the Ruby Rose

the Rose your bitch use whoever it for so that's the so I got a Rose JT if you want my autograph I got you What you say you got it wrong? How's it going? Hey, something wrong with you. Hey, go.

That's it. Hey, go, man. One of the illest, but listen, like I said, we got so much to talk about, but I want to bring it back to y'all days as teammates, man. Yeah. Obviously, y'all playing Gordie. You get each other growing up.

How was that first time a lick up in Minnesota, man? It was love, bro. I mean, let me talk to y'all. Nah, do your thing. It's your show. We talk all the time. It was love, bro. I mean, let me talk to you. Nah, do your thing. All the time. Because, bro, everybody that probably met Jeff, no bullshit. They just know that he a good dude and his energy that he brings

to the locker room is you can't compare it to nobody, bro. The vibration he brings, he's always talking shit, even though it may rub people, um, different that didn't grow up that way. Niggas that grew up that way. You need that in the locker room.

You need motherfuckers joking, um, playing, but when it's time to go, he was always ready. And I knew you could hoop do, um, two of those. So, um, uh, just having them around, having Tibbs fuck with him, having Cat. He used to fuck with Cat so much. But all the shit that you were saying, motherfuckers needed to hear. You were saying truthful shit. You know what I'm saying? And

when motherfuckers were scared to say it, I'm new to the team, so I'm just trying to get the vibe on the team. You saying exactly what motherfuckers needed to hear. And people respected respected that so it was always love just having um jeff around it surprised me too when like you start coming over to the crib yeah because you know normally don't hang out with each other like yeah it's like on some fake so like having you start coming over then you came over the night that um i don't believe in coincidences either you came over the night that I don't believe in coincidences either you came over the night that I had 50

and my brothers knows that my brothers we was in the kitchen drinking and shit nah I mean I don't know if y'all

want to talk about that right now I'm crying yeah I will with the tears fuck you I knew you could do it dude

I knew you could do it it's crazy I knew you could do it it's crazy I knew you could do it. It's crazy. Are you out of pocket? Hey, dude. Why you all doing that with me? I remember all that shit. Why you all doing that with me? Why you all doing that with me?

I got it with me. I got it with me. Why you all doing that with me, bro? Nah, but that's a little later in the story because you still got so many years. Yeah. He gave me a chance. nah but I'll be that's a little later in the story because you still got so many years because yeah he gave me a chance I played against him and

I kind of I'm going to speak on the Minnesota moment but I want to talk about the Bulls moment for sure when we played them in the playoffs

yeah and he spared me so before we get to the 50 I'm going to tell you when he could have had 50 at night another time

oh you talking in the playoffs Mother's Day and him in the first I i remember forget bro we having the first quarter we going back and forth it's a duel yeah and i'm like in my head i'm out here dueling with the mvp what the fuck but i'm talking shit it's the first game in atlanta so i'm like yeah motherfucker like and he like he ain't saying nothing he just like like looking at me like i'm guarding he like, he ain't saying nothing. He just like, like looking at me like, I'm guarding. He go by, he dunk one time. I said, oh shit.

Crowd go, ooh. I'm like, damn, Alana. Y'all on the trip with me. Like, what the fuck? Going back and forth. Second quarter, we had like 13-14. Second quarter, I think I scored two points. He scored like another nine.

I'm like, damn. Go to the locker room. I'm like, Jamal, you can switch off on him. Jamal was like Hell no You keep going You're doing good man Like they all You guarding them good

I'm like What the fuck I got there to 30 They like Don't worry about it Keep going You're playing good Get to the third quarter

I'm looking like man I ain't scoring no more This motherfucker Still going They starting to blow us out He gets What you had like 44 Yeah 44

Yeah So it's like What was it like Five six minutes left in the fourth? That's a five. Ma said the same. I don't know. I mean, I'll let you. That nigga looked at, I'll never forget.

I'm like, I had like 21. I'm like looking at him. I'm still trying to guard him hard. And you know how a nigga kind of like relax, like not tell you relax, but kind of like, it's over, bro. The nigga kind of like, come get me tips. I said, oh, fuck him. I look at the scoreboard.

He didn't want to get 50. Oh, fuck. I said, game four is up. No, fuck that. I was so mad. I said, he's sparing me. I was like, I went to the locker room. And Smooth was like, you know, it's just one game, dog.

I was like, nah, man. He damn near had 50. He was like, nigga, you think you can stop him you can stop him you didn't even play the shit like you only play because the nigga got hurt like you did good nigga shut up i'm like you right shout out to jay smoke that was a tough ass series it was but you spared me why you spared me i didn't spare you bro you know at that time i wasn't even thinking about i won't even thinking about, I won't be thinking about scoring like that. I'd be really in the game, bro.

Like every, because my mindset was if I didn't score, like we was going to fall back. So I wasn't even keeping up with the numbers like that when I was playing. I just knew I had to affect the game in a positive way. This is when I really was like, fuck you. You hit a floater, right? I could test this shit out, this motherfucker. I was playing hard as hell. Y'all know I don't play defense.

I'm playing hard as hell. I'm like, he can't embarrass me. He hit a floater. Threw it up and caught that bitch. I said... Hold on. He caught it out the neck. He caught it out the neck. Luis. I said... I saw he playing around now it's funny he getting ready for miami okay cool cool i was hot like i was 38 hot my brother like bro you

getting your chance it's all good you ain't playing bad i'm like bro he embarrassing me bro like like bro he embarrassed everybody he the mvp Then I thought about it. I was like, you right. I'm good. I'm just trying to score. Nah, but I remember that. That helped your career too though, bro. Yeah,

having a chance to compete against him, bro. Like, just to even have some good moments against him at that time. Yeah. It helped my career. But I took that to say,

I seen you, could have got 50, then I seen you get 50. It's crazy. So that's where I was going with it. I'm like, damn, I seen where he could have had 50 then i seen you get 50 so that's where i was going but i'm like damn i seen what he could have had 50 i was a part of that and then to be a part of that moment to see you actually get 50 and for you to say yeah i'm i'm going for it tonight i'll never forget you said t you playing tonight i was like nah i ain't i ain't fucking with it he said oh bet i'm going for it i said what you going for i started i was like what you, I ain't fucking with it. He said, oh, bet. I'm going for it. I said, what you going for?

I started. I was like, what you going for? He's like, nah, I'm going for it. I was like, what? He's like, I'm getting it. I'm getting 50. That's crazy. I said, damn.

I went to Josh and Cody. He said, Derrick said, you're getting 50 tonight. He's like, I'm sure I'm out there. Jimbo one playing. Yeah, nobody's playing. And I was like, damn, he going to get 50. And Rudy go bird now. Defensive player of the year, all that shit. I'm like, ooh, he going to get 50. And, you know, Rudy Gobert, defensive player of the year, all that shit.

I'm like, ooh, he going to have to kill these niggas. Man, that first quarter, mind you, I hurt my ankle. I'm jumping up and down. Ryan, I'll never forget Ryan was like, you can play. Don't worry about that shit. Don't worry about this shit. It's going to kill you. And he just started going crazy in the whole game.

Like, we just watching. And I'm just like, this dude is amazing. And it was like, you know, me playing before you got hurt and stuff. I'm like, this is him. Like, he always got this. And to see him going crazy. Then you hear Rudy with the move. Finish the lay.

Then it started getting emotional. Like, everybody on the team just like damn bro he worked so hard I'm like yeah fuck that we about to win the game

then he got emotional then I'm looking at the nigga cause I know I'm like I'll fuck with this nigga every day I'm like nah this mean some shit

like I start fuck man I'm a nigga bro I'm from the west side of that bro I ain't about to be crying for no nigga scoring no points. Next thing you know,

one fucker done hit me. Fuck. Bye-bye. Then the game go over. I'm like, shit. I'm like, it's about to be a party in the locker room. Fuck this. I'm going to turn this motherfucker up. He do the interview. I ain't even hear it. But I remember he was emotional. I remember seeing it on TV. I'm running back there. I'm like, give me my phone.

I remember I recorded that shit. He walked in. They throw the water on TV. I'm running back there. I'm like, give me my phone. I remember I recorded that shit. He walked in. They throw the water on it. Then I send it to your girl. Like, there's got to be a moment y'all never forget. Like, that shit was hard. I was like. Why that game, though?

Who won that game? What made you? You know what I mean? I don't know. I just felt something, bro. Right when he told me he wasn't playing, I seen Jimmy wasn't playing. I'm like, all right. That's what. It's just that opportunity. And every, every nigga in the league that's not playing,

wish they could have that opportunity. Everybody, bro. Um, shit. You look at, um, niggas that's not in the league. You look at IT right now. Just give me that one chance. I could go out there and I could at least shoot 15 to 20 field goals and see what's gonna happen yeah like and when i once i get rolling you really gonna see what's gonna what's what's gonna happen you know what i'm saying i just felt like that moment was like just my moment especially going through everything that like i went through went through the little shit i was still going through like injuries. And yeah, like I said, bro, I'm just living in it, bro. Like the shit that be going on, I can't really explain because I'm in it.

But all I could do is like prep myself for the moments. Like when I was in basketball, I was prepping myself for that moment. Now that I'm switching over to this, like my shit gonna be like y'all shit one day, six, seven cameras and you know oh yeah you gonna do a pod no not a pod i'm trying to get into directing bro oh yeah you're gonna be better than us but directing telling like real stories that's in book but i mean y'all see that's like

everything that y'all saw though the commercial or the whatever that video that's me maddie and that's randall all of us came together got that shit together along with carlisle and uh mark along with the other guys that was a part of the team like but we um created that that moment so you know prepping ourselves for something huge uh for sure you know we there to support shaw to the team as well can i say one thing before we get back to the story? Because this is my nigga. I'm just hype. I ain't gonna lie.

But I'll never forget this when I was like, this nigga different. Like, y'all know me. They know me. Nah, this is all good.

It's good. They know I'm wild. Like, y'all know me. I became a man in Atlanta. So my perspective is a little different. Like, shit, I was going out. My team was a man in Atlanta. So my perspective is a little different. Like, shit, I was going out.

My team was going out. Everything. So when I came to Indiana, did I get to Minnesota? My mind's still like, man, all right, we had a good practice. We had some game. We hooped. But, like, where we going? You know what I mean?

So I remember one night John Lucas called me. I'm like, I'm thinking Luke called me, like, yo, where we at? He called me, like like i'm thinking luke calling me like yo where we at he called me like man you should come in the gym i'm like nigga no like you talking about going to the gym man i was like bro i ain't here for all that he like man you tripping bro come here i come in there and he like he like text me like d rose in here and i come in i remember it was your whole family. You had your daughter in the stroller. Your girl was sitting on her own stroller and you was shooting.

And you had shot damn near 500 shots. And I remember because you had ended up hurting your elbow. Yeah. So I'm like, how many shots this nigga shoot? Jay look like he going to be ready. He going to be ready he gonna be ready and I'm like and we about to play

in the playoffs we about to play in Houston that's when you first came to the team he like he gonna be ready don't trip he gonna be ready

I'm like well shit he shooting fire in the shot motherfucker gonna shoot 50 from the 30 I said get him up so I'm laughing and shit

I'm colder I'm joking and shit and we get in the playoffs and I'm like I'm going to Tibbs like man this nigga gotta play like he was having we getting the game he killing I'm laughing and shit. I'm cold. I'm joking and shit. And we get in the playoffs and I'm like, I'm going to Tibbs. I mean, this thing has got to play. Like he was having we get in the game. He killed him.

I'm like, no, no, he got it. Come on, man. He got to get in the game earlier. Tibbs like, I know. What do we take out? I'm like, I don't give a fuck. Take him. Take him out.

He like, how do I tell him? My nigga Tibbs is you. He's like, everybody, you know. Then that nigga just start saying, fuck it. Come on. I swear. Come on. I'm like, nigga, Tibbs, it's you. He's like, everybody, you know. Then that nigga just starts saying, fuck it. Come on. I swear.

Come on. I'm like, yeah. I watched this nigga build himself, bro. He was, that's fire.

And then next year, what you shot, 40 from three? Like 40, but you assisted with that too, though. Right when I got

to the team, you probably remember, you, hey, that's you for that bread. Oh, shit. I knew you had

some money, though. You ain't understand it, though. When you, hey, that's you for that bread. Oh, shit. I knew you had some money, though. You ain't understand it, though. When you, like, I, the league ain't nothing but specialists, right? Facts. So when you aren't labeled or shooted like that, that shit can last for, like, a long time until you beat that shit up. You got to beat that, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying allegations.

Come on, man. So for motherfuckers that know how to shoot, you know you gotta you gotta beat that you know i'm just allegations come on man so for that know how to shoot from indiana they know how to shoot when they one years old teaching they form they and they crib elbow all that all y'all shots the same like i have not one person growing up to tell me my shot like how um to fix my mechanics or show me mechanics for my jump shot i figured this shit out solely by myself no basketball camps couldn't afford it none of that maybe it's solely me being in the park by myself testing out shit and like all that stick or i'm you know what it is after experimenting and that's just stuck but so to like go to a team and to be cool with a

motherfucker to be in a shooting game with them and don't take it personal if they beat you. I'm that crazy. You know what I'm saying? But it takes to go one on one or to challenge a motherfucker one and to push yourself and practice when you ain't know nothing about it. I'm shooting with you. You don't know that I'm feeling this way at all. Yeah, I do. You get what I'm saying?

He's fucking around, shooting, playing, talking to people. I'm trying to make every motherfucker shoot. I'm going to teach your ass. I'm going to show your ass. I'm going to show your ass I'm at 40 this year. I was about to stop shooting because I was like, this nigga's starting to beat me, man.

What the fuck? Are you quitting? I'm not quitting, but he was taking it light because he planned he always planned all right all right but if tibs ain't on that he ain't on that he planned that story in my life so like to to actually challenge a motherfucker that's a shooter i took prior to that yeah even though you ain't know about this. But, nah, I seen it. Then, when the next year, I'll never forget.

I started, like, we started starting together at the beginning of the year. And I'm like, I'm going on fast break. I'm darting the ball to him in the corner, and he firing. And I'm like, this nigga really a shooter. Like, he running the lane. Mind you, like, nigga, he the MVP.

He great with the ball. Like, I should be running the lane, nigga. He like, get it, get it, get it. Take it off, run it running the lane. Mind you, like, nigga, he the MVP. He great with the ball. Like, I should be running the lane, nigga. He like, get it, get it, get it. Taking off, running to the corner and firing threes. And I'm laughing. I'm like, this nigga a shooter. Like, what? This nigga spotting up 40, shooting 40 from the three.

And I'll never forget. I was like, nigga, he's shooting 40. He was like, you know, he a student of the game. Like, nigga, you got to be able to shoot the three, man. They paying like, nigga, you shooting 40. He was like, you know, he a student of the game. Like, nigga, you gotta be able to shoot the three, man. They paying niggas to shoot the three.

And I remember, shit was sweet. He was like, I remember everything, bro. He was like, I'm a, I'm a shoot 40.

He was like, I'm going to get that bag, bro. Then I'm done. Yes, sir. And I was like, nah,

you gonna leave? I'm in my head like, he about to leave Minnesota cause ain't no way he starting over me laughing laughing laughing laughing

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like do you wanna start cause this shit is easier nigga I just wanna come off the bench bro nigga nigga what

but I give him credit nigga I'll never forget he told me like and then we gotta get back to where it started but then he told me, he was like, T, you got to find your niche

because nigga, you know, we ain't going to be starters the whole time. Like coming off the bench, they're going to pay, they need somebody to kill off the bench.

They're going to find their new role. And I never, he did not want to start. No. I remember I went to Tibbs. I said, Tibbs, I am sick of hearing

these motherfuckers. Will you start him? And he was like, who am I going to start him over? I'm like, nigga, me. He was like, you're getting paid. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I think I'll play better off the bench. He was like, no, no.

And I was like, we'll start them together. And he was like, I could do that. Who we take out? And we started trying to figure it out or whatever. But I just remember when you said that. So when you left, I went to Ryan. I said, I want to come off the bench. Because I was like, I'm about to do exactly what he did.

I was like, I want to come off the bench. Because you told me, like, bro, we ain't going to be starters for the rest of our career, bro. You got to figure it out. And we about to build these new roles. So I was like, I'm about to take his role. And I started doing everything he did. I started stretching.

I ain't do none of that shit. Bone roller, ball and shit. I'm like, that nigga, he figured it started stretching i ain't do none of that shit bone roller ball and shit i'm like that nigga he figured it out fuck that i'm doing that shit didn't quite work out but i think it was too late by the end your whole body was broke down man i was a monte carlo about it what um so i had your knee and that was it yeah well i had bad ankles I had surgery on my ankle. Yeah. But then I had my patella was gone. I ain't got no, I'm bone on bone now. It's over with.

It's over with. And now the ADA didn't work for quarter. I'm a nigga. Hold on. It was gone last year. It was, it was gone. Um,

my last year in Minnesota. Yeah. So I was bone on bone, but I was just playing. And then the last piece of, piece of my patella tour. And, um, when I was in Milwaukee bone, but I was just playing. And then the last piece of my Patella tour when I was in Milwaukee. Oh, man. Oh, my God. It was over with.

Nah, that bone on bone, that's something different. It was over with. It's over with once you go there. For sure. The nigga that's doing that is Wes, huh? Yeah, I don't know. How he doing that? How he doing that, bro?

Yeah, he different, bro. Shout out to him. Shout out to him. Man, well, listen, you have so many crazy accomplishments man we gotta speak on some man obviously we gotta start one of the crazy ones mvp youngest mvp ever having one of the craziest season of the nba in the conference where lebron james was like how was that season for you because obviously you know i'm saying you came in the league going crazy how crazy was that particular season for you bro it was bro? It was a blur.

It was a blur. I remember at that time, my whole mindset was like, keep it moving. So, you know, in hindsight, you always wish that you would cherish some of the days a little bit more, like me looking in the past and shit. But what I was telling y'all, at that time, I didn't enjoy anything, bro.

I didn't go out to eat with my family or friends like that. No movies like that. None of that, bro. No concerts because I was totally locked in to thinking that I had to follow what like Kobe was doing. Like thinking Kobe was not enjoying himself, not going on vacays, not doing any of that. So I felt tricked like in a way whenever I at the time I felt that way, like my fourth year, I ended up going to the Philippines with him.

I saw him like relax. I'm like, oh, you motherfucker was tricking me this whole time. I dedicated three years, three years of thinking you didn't do shit, bro. And to see you actually out here just chilling, it kind of fucked me up. But I couldn't take it personally because even though I was admiring him like that. So that year, it was just fun, man.

Something that you can't explain. Being in shot. At the career. Going number one and being the point guard of the team. Like you got the rock in your hand and you got your guys. I got my guys that I've been around since sixth grade on the baseline. Yeah, talking.

You know what I'm saying? Talking the whole time. Like that's something that, yeah, but we did it right, though. In fact. We made sure that the ups and downs that we had in Chicago, no matter what it was, we could go back there and still, like, do business or whatever it is with them.

So, it was a blast, though, bro. For sure, man. Both of y'all can speak to this being, you know what I'm saying, point guard, the man in your city, playing with your hometown. They're like, what's that feeling like? Like, we talk about it, but what's that feeling? Growing up in Chicago, like, all right, I saw MJ hit us now, they look at me like that.

It's pressure. That's why, it's a lot of pressure. I can imagine. And I got to talk for Chicago because a lot of people, when they talk about Chicago, they always mention like the bad shit. So I got gotta mix it up mj wouldn't be mj if he was if he played anywhere else but chicago for his pro career

he would have been a great player anywhere else but in chicago he became the black cat he became mj in chicago just off the strength of the culture that's in chicago and it's coaches everywhere like where the basketball culture is just strong and that um the expectation of like all right what you gonna do we you. We seen niggas like you back in the 60s. All right, you supposed to have been like elevated the game or doing something different. Like, what's next? MJ won them three. I guarantee you he had people in this corner like,

there's no way they're going to let you win. You just went on vacay, nigga. They ain't finna let you come back and win three more. I bet you can't. That's what niggas in the shot telling them. Bet you can't. I bet you can't win another one. I bet you can't win another one.

Oh, that's Chicago shit. Hell yeah! That's what he did. Giggin' them up just off the strength, but that's what I meant by the culture, though. Being there, that's what I felt by the culture, though. Hell yeah. Being there, that's what I felt.

Even though people, my guys never came up to me and was like, man, you got to kill this motherfucker, this game. I felt it, though. They didn't have to say nothing. They'd say little shit. I'd be in the kitchen or something. Man, what you call, I heard,

what you call throwing a party tonight? Not saying it to me, but they just talking. But making sure that I hear it. Like, what? What for going out? I don't know.

Before they play me? I was that nigga. I was going out. No wonder this nigga trying to kill me. I'm listening, dude. Even though they ain't bringing it to me,

they stating it so that I just could hear it. I'm like, all right. So is this nigga fucked? just could hear it. I'm like, all right. So is this nigga fucked? I swear. Right at the reason he got killed. Right at the reason he put 40 of you.

But everybody always speaking on, like, you being the hardest person that they had to guard. Like, who was your person, like, that you was like, damn. I'm chilling, but I got to sleep with him. I had a problem down there with everybody, bro, especially in Tibbs' system, defensive system, where, like, at that time, we icing everything. If one person go over the top in basketball terms, he beat you in over the top of the pick and roll,

and, like, now you're chasing him, like, behind him and shit. If that happened, he only, like, it was just hard, but I'm a pure point, so I hate point guards that feel like they're about to control the whole game. So scoring, if you're scoring, I don't care about scoring like that. The NBA forced me into scoring. I never was the leading scorer on any of my elementary time. I probably was the leading scorer, but high school, somebody else was. College, CDL was. So I never was the leading score on any of my uh elementary time probably was the leading scorer but high school somebody else was college cdi was so i never was the leading scorer i just found my spots and um i

found the way to like make it look good but um i'm a pure point at heart so i hate point guards that don't care about scoring like a rondoondo, like this nigga, like that could fall into just the system of just playing the right way. Like, nah, nah, I'm gonna at least try to get in your head. People don't, yeah, scoring ain't really that much to me because winning the game is more than me. Like I heard one of my OGs, Curt Heinrich say, like after somebody gave him him 40 or 50,

he's saying this shit out loud, but I'm just hearing him. We walking in the hallway, we won. And he was like, that motherfucker just scored 50 points for no reason. That shit hit home. That's why after I scored that 50, I was so happy that I won.

Nigga, you got the win, bro. Like, 50 or 60, whatever it is. If you ain't getting that dub at the end, you raced up. Facts. That wasn't Jed in high school. I mean, in college. Oh, in college. That wasn't Jed.

I was different. I was trying to get somewhere. I was trying to get somewhere. I was trying to get somewhere, bro. That story cool, D-Ross, with that motherfucking Jenny at white fork. By the league, though, he adjusted. Yeah, he did. He did.

I'll come in for that, for sure. By everybody like that in the high school, college, you getting to it. That's how you got to the league. That's what these young kids, they don't be looking at these players or they be thinking like, oh oh you a bum because you on the bench bruh did you see this player when you was in high school

or college that's how you got seen bruh you know what I'm saying nah for sure hey man you brought one of my favorite college players of all time

my boy CDR y'all was going crazy I love the CDR man yeah nah that's a fact CDR we got now I gotta tell this story to CD-R.

So he tried to hold me, right? So it's me, him, and Tone in the gym. We there for summer school. We shouldn't have course shots for $100. A shot, though. At the time, we both flogging. We don't got it like that. So every shot, you know that's a shot in college

so uh he hit a shot and um i shot right behind him and um he said that my foot was on the line and he tried to stand on me like yeah you know his voice yeah man you know and i'm like i i am back oh i'm like nah nigga nah you got nah my foot wasn't on the line no matter the fact he shot the shot and his foot was on the line

and I made him shoot over and he was surprised that I said something and he he fucked with me for saying something like damn you ain't let me hold you

and I'm like nah nigga I ain't going for that and check out I tell another story so this when I really knew that I made the right decision

so once again summer school school, we there. Joey Dorsey end up going to a Gangsta Boob concert video shoot. Hold on. Joey, you out of the box. He a real nigga. He was in the box. Gangsta Boob, you a real nigga. You want it, yeah. You should fuck with Gangsta Boob. R was in the pocket. You a real hunk. I'm going to shit my pants.

You should fuck with me. RIP to the legend, man. RIP to the legend, man. What the fuck? He missed the run, right? Clearly. He missed the whole run. I'm thinking none of it.

I get to the house. Joey come to the crib. He thinking everything cool. CD, I ain't talking to him at all. He started cursing Joey out so bad, bro. Like, man, you let the motherfucking team down. That's some hoe ass. He talking to him crazy.

And you know, Joey big. I'm thinking that they about to fight because it's my fur. I don't know him like that. I just got here. Joey respected it. Started crying, bro. I said got here. Joy respected it. Started crying, bro. I said, I made the right choice.

These niggas care about winning, bro. Like, you mad at the nigga for some summer shit. You know what I'm saying? And there was some shit that we were running. Not Kyle. We set that shit up. Or he set it up, and the nigga didn't show up. And once I seen that, I'm like, this is gonna be a good ass year.

Older niggas that's on the same page. I'm like, all right. You had a hell of a run. You had a hell of a year, bro. You remember anything from that game, that championship game? Yeah, that was a tough shot. Oh, damn.

Shout out to my dog. Don't worry, for real. That was a tough shot. The only thing I... Yeah, the fireworks, bro. After you leave the court, the shit be burning you, bro. As you walking off, I wanted to fight somebody. That's the only thing I really remember.

As you walking off as a loser, the fireworks you see on TV, that shit come down. A lot of people be getting burnt in that shit. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, the shit was burning me. That shit was making me so mad as I walked off the court, knowing that I blew the game. That was the only thing that I remember for real.

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six on june 4th ad free atfree at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. What was it like when you was like, you know, I seen a video, a documentary of you on, you know, Chicago getting the first pick or Miami or whatever. What was it like that feeling when you seen Chicago got that first pick? Like, damn. So, yeah, we was in L was in la at the time and uh right when i seen that uh they were like one of the last ones i kind of knew then and like what it was even though people didn't in the room didn't say it i'm like damn chicago has seven percent chance i'm like we gonna end up winning that shit yeah and yeah that's going back to the crib like yeah everybody got the experience that

one time at least one time. Like, don't you know how everybody be saying you should play in New York at least one time as a Hoover just to feel the atmosphere? I feel the same way about people playing at home. If you could, you might as well, like, at least get the experience. I leaned on you. You don't even know. But I left Indiana

to come to Minnesota right so when you came on the team I'm like damn cause I hate no shade to Minnesota

I love Minnesota cool but I hated leaving the crib you know what I mean like damn it was everything I wanted

like I'm at the crib my homeboys everybody be at the game after I leave the game I get to eat with my family all that so when i came when you came to minnesota it was like oh it's somebody i'm about to lean on because he experienced what i experienced like he had to leave the crib before so that's why i

started like you probably know i started gravitating toward you like bro you want to shoot you want to do that and you like because i just want to get like damn how did that nigga get like through leaving Chicago? Like you was everywhere. I was nowhere near what you was in Indiana, but you are in Chicago. Like I was good, but I played one year. You was their MVP. High expectations.

Showed it all. I'm like, man, how you get through leaving the crib? So I just wanted to like, I'm like, man, how he work? What is mental like? And then I start seeing you read books and shit and it's everything that i never even thought like i'm thinking you like like not like me but i knew you was like damn he from the midwest he probably joking clowning clowning and you joking clown yeah yeah you were super like dedicated to shit and i was just like all right let me not

fuck up his dedication because i'm the type of fucking that fuck this shit up i started hey bro you try to get some bullshit and he was just like and he kind of like made me start like appreciating the craft again because i was kind of like damn i got paid i'm cool my family straight but then i seen you i'm like and he's super cool like he got paid yeah he don't even gotta be doing this really but he appreciating the craft and it made me like start like hold on let me stop playing let me like remember why i love hooping yeah was that your mentality bro going into the league though nah nigga i was like everybody else this shit it takes time bro it takes growth bro to get i went through what i

went through i tried leaving two times. Like, so you get to a point where like I could keep doing the same shit or I could change. So after I went through my, my case, um, I made a vow that for seven years that I was just going to like try to change my image. You know what i'm saying by just just being me just staying out of sight out of mind and um it went from seven to now i'm on year like 11 of me just like finding joy bro yeah i mean like uh basketball got me that but even coming here i'm always looking for something for inspiration so like coming here seeing what y'all got going on um watching from afar like huge fan of jeff of course and seeing how he's adapting to like this new world and new business venture that he's in so the questions that i asked

y'all in there that's why i asked we don't talk about it you know i'm saying because but that's where y'all hidden you know what i mean so? We appreciate you. I like your song as well. Was it a vet that when you got to the league that kind of embraced you? Almost every vet, bro. Almost every vet. Every teammate I had, I appreciated. That's how I looked at this.

Every one of them. Because when it comes to like the basketball shit, when I was in it, I'm like, even though I didn't want the fame, I still wanted people to like appreciate like the work that i put in or like um like the way that i played so when i used to be on teams with niggas and they tell me they from booze from alaska i'm thinking about market market market and that's a market okay yeah like damn i never knew what i mean y'all you from overseas damn they watching you too that mean they watching me all right but Market, that's a market, okay. Like damn, I never knew, you know what I mean? Y'all, you from overseas, damn, they watching you too.

That mean they watching me, I bet. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I always show love to everybody. And I had great vets too, great vets, bro. Like to show me about health, like Luau was the first one that I seen eat like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich at halftime and now that's a custom in the league that's before you go on the buzzer i mean like brunch all that shit is a it's just there now but before it was there you had like ogs that really you saw

stretching before every game like anazi muhammad like uh joe keem how he took care of his body. Like a lot of guys were really pros, bro. Played at least 16, 17 years. Didn't get in the game at all, but they get ready. They get activated like they're about to play 30 minutes and to just chill. So I seen that and I'm like, man, whenever I do get in that position, I'm going to try to handle that the same way but only how you get there is you gotta kill your ego and that's not like a one-time thing

that's like a continuous fucking everyday thing you know what i'm saying what motherfuckers think it's just one time no that's just the first challenge this shit's just gonna keep popping up especially if you call your man, you, you feel like you, you accomplished something. You know what I mean? It's a thin balance.

It's a balance. You got to balance the shit out. So, um, being aware of that, being mindful of it. Like that's when he met me, that's what the stage that I was in.

When I see you, like, I ain't gonna lie. Everybody know me. I'd be like, I don't want no kids. Yeah. But when I see you with your son, like, being in Minnesota and, like, seeing him shoot the bat.

This is just random shit I remember because I used to watch him. Like, that's hard. Y'all trying to shoot the ball into the rack. The rack. Yeah. And I'm like, y'all niggas know y'all not about to hit that, right? That's a fact. That's a fact.

Yeah. And I'm like, I'm looking like, they ain't going to hit that. And y'all would continuously do it. And I remember one time he hit it. Yes, sir. And I was like I'm looking like they ain't gonna hit that and y'all would continuously do it and I remember one time he hit it and I was like that motherfucker hit that shit

I was surprised too I was surprised I'm not one to bet but that's my version of the crate for him yeah put the crate up on the phone bro

we gonna we gonna make a basketball rim out of anything on this motherfucker just being creative and i want you to be able to be on this court this stage and feel comfortable around 20 to 10 10 000 people looking at you just be yourself yeah because a lot of kids i see like a lot of kids that get on that stage freeze up scared in the mom i'm like nah i don't want my kids going through that that stage freeze up scared in the mom I'm like nah I don't want my kids

going through that I'm putting them in positions to make them uncomfortable like I'm putting myself in positions but for them I wish I had a dad

or yeah something I wish I had so I got to present the opportunity for them nah I was watching that shit man he over there tossing that ball

so it was like three days in a row I'm like yeah he ain't going that ain't going to happen he get that shit I'm over there like

damn nigga yeah alright PJ I see you boy like it's dope to see that's hard a lot of these niggas

I'm glad you ain't trying to but a lot of these niggas trying to live through their kids on the hoop world especially a lot of these AAU dads so I was going to ask you, how do you balance that dad life and, you know, making sure he stay on the straight and narrow

on the hoop stuff, you know, pushing himself to his max ability? I mean, I push him, but at the same time, it's more like discipline with him right now. But it's about knowing your worth, too, because he's in the stage. And a lot of little hoopers need to hear this. Like, uh, knowing your worth, like if a company come to you for an NIL deal or something like that, and like, you don't know your worth, you'll take any deal. But you got to look at like, what do you see your, your brand or what you see yourself associated with? Like he had a deal that come to him in which I thought that he shouldn't have took,

but I can't say that to him. I asked him about it. Hey, you think it's right? So who do you see yourself associated with? This brand, that brand? He started thinking about it. Like, I got to make you think. I got to provoke a thought.

You know what I'm saying? Like just to see where your head at, where you think, at least put it on your mind that if you see yourself being a mvp type caliber whoever you associate yourself with got to be on that same level too so like um the the hoop inside i let them just play bro i'm not on them i make them do his push-ups and sit-ups and shit like that. But it's really just school and making sure that his mental right. Like, a lot of the kids, he quiet. So a lot of the kids be, like,

going through shit by themselves. And with my kids, I want to be able to make sure that I'm there. Well, not only, like, my kids, but my family. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. It's interesting to hear you say that, you know what I'm saying, with T. He calls y'all alma mater, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like, the kids, now, like you said, it's a different situation now, growing up in high school, being good, or having some our alma mater. Like you said, it's a different situation now. Growing up in high school, being good, or having some type of impression, they're getting deals. It's like, all right, that might be cool now, but you don't know what you're getting yourself into.

Ain't nobody getting deals in high school. Not Indiana. That's what I'm saying. Just say hi, hi, it's PJ. He 11. Oh, shit. He 11, bro. But coaching kids, you're right, it's a lot of the mental stuff. like what they go through outside of basketball.

You just want to make sure that they're in a comfortable spot or they're in a good place. But, like, you doing that with your kids and that's dope. I wanted to know, like, when you watch them play, because I seen him hit a game winner. Yeah. You know, you too. I'm like, damn.

Like, I remember him. Like you said, I remember him shooting on the little rack or whatever. So so to see him hitting game winners do you see his skill belt like his skill level going up and you like shit man i'm starting to see it do you it is now and like i said that's why i'm taking this step that i'm taking now bro like i have to be there yeah for my mans bro like uh uh it's all about the discipline, bro. Like, I don't know how many times, like, as a, as a, I'm talking as a dad, not a father, because it's a difference. Like, my kids call me dad. I love when they call me dad, not father.

They don't sound right to me. That sounds like some Michael Jackson shit. Don't sound right to me. So like that time that I'm putting in, giving every one of my kids my, my, that equal time, you know what I'm saying? But with him,

since he's the oldest, I have to be a little bit more strict on him as far as, um, making sure he gets up on time for school, uh, taking out the garbage, a little chore shit, but it creates your character.

You know what I'm saying? Between the discipline. Oh, man. So I'm seeing, like, it carries over, too, where if you're not disciplined in something that you're passionate about in basketball, how you think you're going to be

disciplined in the other areas? If you're not disciplined about something that you love, other areas is going to fall too. That shit going to crumble at some point. That's a fact. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm like, bro, dedicate yourself to this

and I guarantee you it's going to pay off. But he listened though. Like that's half the battle too. And which I love about him. I could talk to him. He got his own individuality too. So once I see that, I don't want to tamper with that because I see that if I do,

you're going to try to make, you're going to try to follow me or follow in my footsteps. You're your own person. You are PJ, bro. You are your own entity. Right. How you feel about this?

I asked him how he feel, bro. What you think? He had tell me the honest truth. All right, this is how we're going to think about it. Just like we was talking about with the deal. He was mad that I was telling him that shit about the deal. Like, cause he, he knew that I was telling them right. Like what, like I was asking him questions and the question I was,

the answers he was like not elaborating on them. Like, yeah. He, he said a certain company name. I don't want to say the name said their name i'm like so how like that don't add up p you see what i'm saying he started to hear what i'm saying he heard what i was saying but started crying i'm like bro i'm not here to chastise you or make you feel like you made the wrong decision i'm just showing you that you have worth they're coming because you have worth now you decide what that worth is going to be a lot of kids these days they don't know what the worth they don't even know that they got worth let alone telling the motherfucker that they love him or something or hitting him i'm patting him on

the back for letting for doing something right so me expressing to him where i'm at right now telling him like man pj i'm doing this for me my my yeah not doing this for you no more yeah i'm quitting because of me yeah i'm tired of it i'm doing this solely to be around y'all yeah yeah taking you to school i'm picking you up. I'm doing this. I'm doing that. He gonna appreciate that shit. You may not understand it now. That's my whole

little saying now. You ain't gonna understand it, but later on you gonna respect it. I say that all the time. Yes, sir. Motherfucker

kids trifling. God damn. Am I gonna go through the home? I just lied and told motherfuckers hey bro, y'all keep this room trifling dude. These mice and shit go come fuck you or roaches and shit. I didn't lie to the whole motherfucker. Hey, bro. Y'all keep this room trifled.

These mice and shit go come fuck your roaches and shit. You gotta lie to them. You gotta kind of cast. Nah, for sure. I was saying all kind of bullshit. Look at parents. Anything to make them listen, bro. Nah, for sure.

You gotta trick them a little bit. That's what I mean about being a dad. Like sparking that engine sometimes. You got a lot of kids now, they don't know how. They ain't going to know because of the conditions and living circumstances that you got them in because of what you went through. I went through this. I'm putting you in this type of environment so that you don't got to go back to that if they do go back to it you'll fail you anyway you'll

fail you if you let them go back yeah you feel what i'm saying so i'm creating this for you and to see you thrive and that's all i'm that's the stage i'm about man just bossing up bro man for sure listen man we are blessed blessed blessed man we appreciate you pulling up i know how much this means for you bro i know how much this means to us like we said we got this opportunity shout out to the team for making this happen man we were ecstatic man we are really happy that you pulled up on this man means the world to us for sure bro no no for sure i gotta say something before you leave bro i'm so geek bro like i'm a fan like i know we graduated in 07, whatever.

So, like, when I was in college, you was a rookie. And you going against Rondo and them and the Celtics in the playoffs and stuff. And I'm watching. I'm like, damn, it's some – I know him. Like, I competed against him. I seen him to see you do that shit. And then, like, to get to know you over the years and then see what kind of person as you kind of father you are,

how dope you are as a person and cool and like for you to have all the accolades and all all the shit that you got and how humble you was like bro you would put me in spaces and we'd be in rooms and you look like you the one and you look like this nigga crazy i'm taking over the floor but everybody wanted to be around you Yeah And that shit is dope You don't meet too many people Who just like Who got the resume Or the person that you are

And let you be you Like Lord You ain't had to let me start Bro You know what I'm saying Like Nah nah

You That's what you said Nah I'm not saying I ain't earned I ain't saying I ain't earned the start Exactly bro Exactly at that time If we being honest bro Like I'm just a realistic person bro Like you had Might have went through some stuff Exactly, bro. Exactly. At that time. We being honest, bro.

I'm just a realistic person, bro. Like you had might have went through some stuff. You went to New York and whatever, whatever. And then you came to the team. But when you started hooping, nigga, you was averaging 16 off the bench. I was averaging 10. But still, at that time, I was fully aware of where I was at at that time. I didn't want to start. Tim used to try to come to me. I'm like, at at that time I didn't want to start, Tibbs used to try to come to me, I'm like no

I know you didn't want to start but I was like please tell this nigga to start the whole time you said the whole opposite man the whole reason, I'm telling Tibbs, tell this nigga man, Tibbs probably going to you like you need to start he probably like nah

I'm like tell him again what's so crazy is in a different situation that's goes differently and most of the time and that's the typical in nba typically got them going against each other but y'all pushing each other and that's why i worked out that nigga just didn't want to start because they was hurting his feelings It wasn't about that. Fuck them. Get that sad ass nigga off the court. That's why we can't remember this all day. Fuck him. Shit that nigga made 24 jerseys. Hey, I was fucking zeroed in.

Listen, fuck you. Listen, my last day, we went to Prince House, right? We went to Prince House, right? We had a little show and I'm going to let y'all get out of here. Me, wig. So to know wig is to love Wig.

And he's a lot. Me and him are very similar. We're anti a lot of stuff. Not to Ubar. Wig is to stop to Ubar. Just put it out there. I didn't say that. He said that. So then to know Wig and then to know Gorgie.

So it's me, Gorgie, and wig at a table, right? We don't smile for shit. We don't do shit. We mean. Like, people don't know this side of me. Only the teammates know I joke and shit. Like, the fans don't know. They think I'm an asshole.

I don't smile about shit. But wig don't smile about shit. Gorgie, he the nicest person in the world. But they don't know. Like, he don't smile. Man, our table, empty. Nobody walk by our table. I'm talking about, man,

his table. Bruh. Nigga, the Prince jersey walking by. Not one person had a Jeff T. Prince jersey by the way. I think my mama might have one. This nigga Prince Jersey? Bro, it had to be the highest selling shit in the NBA that year.

It had to be, bro. Yeah, it was up there. I know. Bro, they was walking by. I was like, damn. Damn. No, no. Damn.

Damn. I'm like, Wig, damn. Wig just got a max. I'm like, fuck, bro. You might want to. He's like, I got to leave, bro. They don't fuck with me, y'all. I'm like, fuck, bro. You might want. He's like, I got to leave, bro. They don't fuck with me. I'm like, they don't know.

It was on that day. It was just I got to leave. Like, they're not fucking with me no more. It was cat. And then D wrote this jersey was more than cats. I was like, yeah, he's not going to be back. You know what I mean? Like cat not fucking with that.

I'm keeping it a beam. I'm keeping a beam. I'm like, Cat not fucking with that. I'm keeping it a bean, bro. I'm keeping it a bean, bro. I was like, y'all know it. Stop playing. Hey. Stop playing smart. Okay. I'm not hating on Cat, bro.

I swear to God, I love Cat, bro. Cat cool as hell. I think Cat one of the coldest players I ever played. Same, same, same. When I seen that shit, you had to be there. Bro, we at Prince House, bro, with Prince jerseys. I'm watching. I'm like, this is D-Roll shit.

Like, I'm like, this is shit. You know what I mean? I'm a real nigga. I realize shit. Like, yeah, he winning six minutes. I'm like, yeah, yeah, this his team. That was one of the best collabs that they did. What?

Fire. Was that the first time they ever did that? I don't know. That shit was fire, though. It had to be, bro. It had to be. My mama called me like, get that Prince dress. I said, baby, it's going to be a lot for you.

I'm like, what? Those motherfuckers up there. I was like, no, that D-Roll. I'm about to ask you. I said, can you sign this motherfucker? It's how much people have signed. Can you sign it for me? He was like, like yeah I signed it

and somebody took that bitch yeah you signed it and put it in the locker nigga I can't but it was gone it was on the equipment

somebody got you yeah y'all can't I can't I know so many niggas was asking for that shit I didn't want to

ask you to sign another one I'm like damn that motherfucker gonna be on eBay right after this interview. The nigga on eBay

with that jersey. Tap in. 400K. 400K. 400K for that mother right there. I knew when he had all them jerseys. I said, yeah.

That was a hell of an experience. That was dope. His house was crazy. I swear. That's one of the craziest homes I ever been to. I think I still respect him. He's a legend, bro. No, I'm talking one of the craziest homes I've ever been to. I still respect him. He's a legend, bro.

No, I'm talking about in the house. The rules say no. Nigga, don't touch. You can't touch nothing as if he's still there. I've never seen nothing like that. Nigga, be gentle around that. I swear, bro. Like, nigga, don't shoot on that goal.

Like, I was like, damn. They said that they used to hoe, too. I would love to meet him like that but it's uh same um food menu like you can't bring no meat no other shit in the crib they still respect him like i never saw nothing like it bro that's fine damn listen i know we gotta get i gotta ask we brought up the jerseys how does it feel to still see you know i'm saying like people wear your jersey like because i know like we always talk about the jerseyseys, like that light, that baby blue Nuggets, Mellow jersey, but that number one Bulls jersey, it long, man.

That's like a hood legend jersey. Like everybody in the world, even you go to the frat houses, the old crazy white boys playing beer pong, they got a D-Bros jersey on. How's it feel for that? Like to that universal moment, like everybody's like, no matter where my boy at,

we fucking with that jersey. As far as right now, I'm living in gratitude. For sure, bro. Appreciative. You know what I'm saying? And not to make y'all this episode serious like this because I know y'all normally got like some humor shit.

Nah, you good, bro. We gonna talk. We gonna talk shit. You straight, bro. You straight. Some people need to hear. Yeah, but yeah, just living in gratitude, bro.

And that's one of the reasons why I think we wanted to come here and show love nah I appreciate that bro some Midwest shit like I said for sure man

hey man like we said we appreciate you we appreciate you giving us this moment man it means a lot for both sides man we can't wait to see

what you do next you know we got the team gonna keep creating man we definitely gonna push and support that before we get out of here be here tell the people

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