Club 520 Podcast - 2024 Best of Club 520: Jayson Tatum on Celtics title vs. Mavs, NBA 2K cover, Jeff Teague as teammate

Episode Date: December 28, 2024

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 4 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Boston Celtics superstar Jayson Tatum. JT talks AAU basketball, choosing to play his college basketball at Duke, and what happened in the lead up to the NBA Draft that saw him get picked No. 3 by the Boston Celtics behind Lonzo Ball and Markelle Fultz. Plus, Tatum talks about being on the new NBA 2K25 video game cover and putting out a new edition of his signature shoe. And don't miss Jayson talk about being teammates with Jeff Teague in Boston, his battles with Evan Turner, and so much more! #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Another episode of Club 520 Podcast. I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. Special, special guest in the building. Championship edition to my left. We're going to introduce my man's last, but to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Henn, out the pearlies.

How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. Let's get to it. Look, JT, I know, you know what I'm saying? You got your own shoe, but have you ever seen the Black Forces with the white laces? Yeah, I seen them a couple times. You rocking with them?

I mean, it's cool. JT, DJ introduced the other niggas I ain't gonna do that I don't like his energy To my right I got my dog Young Nacho Young Teague How you doing man?

I'm chilling bro I got my Jordans on Some sixes for Team Jordan today We got some Team Jordan to build But you know I'm an anti-athlete They do not want you Shout out to Kyle man

he's so good man I'm gonna say since when you know what I mean respect to the brand you crazy but to my left

the man who actually has the shoe listen man champion champion champion one of the coaches to ever do it youngers killing the NBA they never accomplished

everything you could do at a young age you still got more to build man we got the champion Jason Tatum in in the building. Appreciate you pulling up, big dog. I appreciate y'all for having me. He finally can say he champ like me.

I'm hyped for you, my boy. I did. You did do it first, Ray J. I did it first, bro. You know what I mean? Call me Ray J. Anything but Ray J, boy. Nah.

Better than your cousin, Ray J. He Ray J'd me. But anyway, he got the champ here, man. I'm hyped, bro, because this is my bro, man. He Ray J'd me. Wait, well, he got the champ here, man. I'm hyped, bro, because this is my bro, man. He cool. We got a Midwest group chat. We always show love in there, so I'm hyped to have him on the show, bro. Hey, man, shout out to the game.

Listen, we got a lot to talk about with you, but we want to talk about the first time y'all met, man, when y'all first linked up in Boston. You came to save the Celtics, man? I came to save them, man. You know what I mean? The whole head start line. You know what I mean? Thank you, JT.

Is that nigga be lying? He had my jersey number first, but I let him keep it. So I had to go 55. You know, I was originally zero. Did you ask for it? What, 55? No, fuck no. Did you ask for your jersey?

Zero. I said, is it available? No, you did not. I said, is it available? No, I didn't ask for it. I respected what he did, but I didn't know I was going to lose my name in the process. But it's all good.

The real JT. Yeah, I lost my number and my name was crazy. I even had no identity after. That's crazy. I just see my whole identity, bro. It's crazy. Man, a career in the ballroom. My whole identity, bro. It's crazy. It's cool, though.

Man, that's funny. Listen, man, we're going to start with the orders I be here. He's super tapped in, you know what I'm saying, with the high school AAU. He was definitely on one of the most AAU teams, for sure.

Yeah, it was at the St. Louis Eagles. Mm-hmm. Yeah, bro, you gave boys hell back in the day. Any memorable matchups you had back then? Uh...

I know you led the EYBL in scoring. He was gunning. 26 and 10. 26 and 10 light. I think for me, I mean, it's like everybody. We all grew up playing against guys that's in the league now. Like Harry Giles, one of my best friends. We played against each other all the time.

We got one of the best AAU games, I feel like, of all time. We played on ESPN semifinals to go to Peace Jam. Yeah. And we was down 20 at half. We came back, and my point guard, Jordan Barnes, who went to Indiana State. Okay. We were playing overseas, and he had a half-court shot at the buzzer.

And it was crazy because, you know, HG was number one player in the country, playing against the best team to go to the finals. And I committed to Duke on TV right after that game. Grant Williams was out there. Johnson Cochran was out there. Oh, Johnson was on that game. I'm sure y'all never talk about that game.

It was like five or six pros out there. And we was at Peach Jam. CP was on the bench coaching. So that's like one of my favorite AU games I've ever been a part of. You gave boys buckets. You gave Miles Bridges 40. Damn. Markel Fultz 40. Damn.

Damn, I forgot who the other name was in high school. I think your senior year, you went crazy. I mean, I've been alright for a while. I seen a highlight when you and Jalen Brunson was going at it in high school. So I ain't going to lie. Jalen Brunson, he gave us 50.

We played in West Virginia. Yeah. I was a junior. He was a senior. And that was one of the times I left. I was like, no, we got cooked. But we ended up winning the game. But it's just cool to look back on those matchups.

It was like, man, people think Jalen Brunson may be a late bloomer, but he been killing since. He's in high school. Even in the USA, the U19 team, he was going crazy. No, he wasn't on my team. He wasn't on y'all team? What are we a year after that? Oh, U19, yeah.

Not 2019. Yeah, U19. U19, yeah. He won MVP. Yeahall team? You're after that. Oh, U19, yeah. Not 2019. U19, yeah. He won MVP. Yeah, he was killing. So he was in. Yeah, we

tapped in. You see our facts? We're straight you out now. That was crazy. He was going

crazy. It was like three of us were still in high school. Some was going to college and some had just

finished their freshman year in college. It was cool to have a mix of different guys. But, no, JB, he put us on his back, and we was in, I think it was in Greece, and we won the gold medal. Being from St. Louis and being a star high school player, like, why you choose Duke?

I know Emil here. He was at Duke for 20 years. But why'd you choose Duke? Damn, I'm caught a shot. He was at Duke for 20 years. But why did you choose Duke? Damn, I'm going to shout. We bought it, baby. That's my new big 13. My fault. My fault.

He my new big 13. Is that Shiloh? Yeah, he shot. Yeah, I pocketed it. Respect, Lord. My fault. He a legend at Duke. For sure.

No, meal. Meal. Shout to a meal. For sure, bro. To be honest, man. My fault. He a legend at Duke. For sure. No, Mill a legend at Duke. Shout out to Mill. For sure, bro. To be honest, man, growing up, I never thought that I was going to Duke. I just didn't think people where I came from went to Duke. I didn't think that Coach K would come to my crib. I wanted to go to Ohio State.

Greg Oden, Mike Conley, Evan Turner. Those are my favorite players in college. I thought that's where I was going. You didn't watch Wake Forest? Never. Just making sure. Shout out to CP though. You were both fucking... I did what I... I've been watching

Luka this season. It's all good. I was just all right that's what we're gonna do I'm gonna trade life

oh man y'all crazy obviously you said high school we were going crazy ended up going to Duke

what was that transition like you know what I'm saying because obviously Holly Tell the Queen in high school you get

to Duke Duke is a place that's like none other tradition it's very important you got a hall of fame coach in an institution that's more than any player. You to come in, like, it's humble to be in that situation.

How was that? You know, they always say, like, when you're in, that's the first big decision you make as a young man. And for me, I only took one official visit. Like, I took one official visit, and I got there on, like, Friday morning. By Saturday, I remember I was at the bookstore with my mom, like, yo, like, we need to start buying hoodies. Like I took one official visit and I got there on like Friday morning by Saturday. I remember I was at the bookstore with my mom, like,

yo, like we need to start buying hoodies. Like I'm coming to Duke. Damn. I just felt that the vibe of the team, how they felt about coach and how they talked about them and how close they was. I was like, man,

I don't want to waste no time of going to no other visits. I was like, man, I want to go to Duke. So that was like one of the best decisions I ever could have made. Some of my best friends I ever met from Duke. Shout out to John Shire. That's somebody I talk to every other day still.

And, you know, we always talk about the brotherhood, and that's a real thing. Regardless of if you ever played with them or if they was there 25 years before you, it's always love whenever you see anybody that had that uniform. And I just wanted to be a part of something that was bigger than myself. And knowing that I was only going to go to college for one year. Damn, you knew that.

That's a lesson. Yeah, I did. I knew that. I wanted to be somewhere that was going to set me up for the big stage, right? You go to Duke, that's the best, no disrespect to nobody else, but that's the best, one of the best college programs, right?

We always on national TV. The expectations is high. Media training, all those things is just preparing you for the next level. And I was going to ask, like, you know what I'm saying? I know that's lit, but what was that experience like, that first time playing in Cameron Indoor? Like, what was that first? Because y'all fans crazy as hell.

Yeah. So, I mean, a lot of people don't know, I got hurt in our second pro day. So we had our second pro day. I ended up, I had like a little

stretch fracture in my toe and I missed, I missed our first 12 games. So. I remember that. I, my first time playing, I think we played like Tennessee State at home first 12 games. So I remember that I, uh, my first time playing,

I think we played like Tennessee state at home and it wasn't no load management, no minute restriction. I played like 22 minutes straight. I called a cramp. Uh, so my first game was a little, a little up and down, but no,

we got the best fans. A lot of people, when they come to Duke, they don't understand it. Like this is the gym. Like it's so small. They walk past and they think that's where we practice at. It's only like 5,000, 6,000

people in there, but they definitely support and the energy is crazy. It's bittersweet. I only got the experience for one year, but it definitely was a great experience. I was playing for Coach Cal. Mike Krzyzewski.

Cal, my dog. I'm sorry. Prick low hand. Think about that money. Family. You know what I mean? Shout out to the gang. Now, how was that playing for Coach K though, bro?

I heard he got in your ass a couple times. Hey, yo. All right, Jason. You can call him Jason up here. Because I ain't lost my name. He ain't Jason. He Jason up here. Because I ain't lost my name. He ain't Jason. He Jason up here. All right.

Playing for Coach K was great. I mean, the thing I respect most about Coach is he's a leader of men. And he really understands how to galvanize a team and how to get you to really compete and play hard. And I think that's the biggest thing for kids that's coming out of high school. Everybody's talented, but how can you work well with a team?

How do you learn how to compete? How do you learn how to get outside yourself, get outside your comfort zone? I think Coach K was great at motivating and he wanted the best for me. Like he wanted me to be the best where I could be. He wanted me to be one and done.

He wanted me to go be where I'm at. And I think that was important and that was special because you hear a lot of stories of coaches that, like, want to hold guys back or want to keep them. Coach K, like, he pushes you to be the best version of yourself. And that's something, like, Coach K texts me today. Like, even at 77, like, you know, he still tap in and we talk all the time.

Did he ever troll you, like, just to get you to play better, or did he have his, like, little antics with you? No, he definitely was a master manipulator. Yeah. I mean, we was playing Virginia, Virginia. We was playing half Virginia. And it was the best game I had in college at the time. I had two points at halft Virginia. And it was the best game I had in college at the time. I had two points

at halftime, but we was winning. I thought I was playing defense. I came at halftime. I'm dapping everybody up. I'm like, yo, let's keep it going. We're going to win. Keep playing the right way. No lie. I'm sitting next to the middle. Coach K came in.

I'm like, I'm leaning forward. I'm like, yo, let's go.'m like, yo, like, let's go. Came in, took his jacket off, and he threw it at me. He was like, you soft-ass St. Louis kid. He said, if I knew you was going to play like this, I would have left you back in St. Louis. Damn. I'm talking about, he cussed me out the whole 12 minutes.

And, like, Mills, he could tell. I don't get mad. I don't like nobody calling me soft, and I don't want nobody to disrespect where I'm from. That's how Nelly talked to Murphy Lee. That's his cousin. You don't want to learn no brawl about cousins.

Nelly is true. That's a hell of a story. I can't believe my kids talking like that. Coach was just good a plan, bro. But I think Coach was just good at like, he knew how to push your buttons. Yeah.

I scored 28 points in the second half because I was just angry. And, you know, at the time, I didn't understand, but after I realized, like, he just knew

how to coach certain players. And he was excellent at that. That's hard. 28 points in the second half. Damn, you ain't getting no shots. He ain't drinking a beer. Damn, you ain't getting no shots, bro. It's all good, though.

I've been there. I've been there. Chill, my man ain't got no mic. You can't hear me. I'm just saying, I've been there. I know the feeling, bro. I played on the Celtics, bro. I've been there.

Oh, my gosh. Man, it was a different time in my life. For sure, man. It's funny, you know what I'm saying? The ACC, people regarded as the best conference basketball. You was in there? You was in there? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Salute to you, but I definitely hated you at the time period because I'm a Louisville fan, and we did not have a chance against y'all. One of the worst times of my life during that period because every co-player was going to Duke, and we didn't have a chance at all. Nah. Nah.

Nah, Duke is a tough place to play. I mean, I killed a tough place to play though. What'd you do with Cameron Endor? Probably like 26. I'm here to use the school.

Dang. I ain't got one and done. All right. I had two. I did two. I was all right. You're talking. That's the question.

He trying to be funny. He know I did two years, bro. He trying to be funny. I couldn't have two years, bro. He trying to be funny. I could have been one of them. What you have against Lake Forest? You remember? He ain't get no buckets. We locked that up.

I ain't play good at it. Yeah. Nah, we ain't going, bro. Yeah, we ain't going. Stupid ass motorcycle. Yeah. Coach K, we played him. Blow the smoke.

We blew the smoke at Coach K, right? And he started coughing before the game. He going to call in ACC and tell them that we can't do the motorcycle no more. We beat them that game anyway. I had 26 as a freshman. Motorcycle on the basketball court? What y'all do? And y'all probably only do that when y'all play Duke.

I had 26, and we beat them. I ain't care. That's the problem. Everybody pull out their best tricks when Duke come to town. That was every game. Don't do that. I was nice at week four. When I got to your team,

my leg was gone. I didn't have no more bounce. I had none of that. Who was on his ACC team you faced against, though? Wake Forest. Stop. I know he ain't gonna say that.

Honestly, North Carolina, they won a championship that year. Yeah, I just was. They won a job year, too? They won it when I was in school, too. They had Joe Berry, North Carolina, they won a championship that year. Yeah, they won a year or two? They won when I was in school too. They had Joel Berry, Justin Jackson,

ACC player of the year, Kennedy Meeks, Theo Pinson. We end up, we played them three times. Yep. We went two on one. And,

and we didn't get cheated against South Carolina. And we would have met them in the championship. Hell off South Carolina. They went to the Final Four. They did, bro. We was going to him in the championship. They went to the Final Four. They did, bro. That was out of shape.

Glenn Davis, Bill Kennedy mix, too. Oh, you're no Carolina fan. Absolutely. You like Coach Cal. Right, but I don't fuck with UNC. I fuck with Coach Cal off the court. We'll talk later.

I did the family business. That's a quick snitch. In two different ministries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Welcome to the pod. Don't worry about that. Obviously, you said you knew it was going to be a one-to-done. You know what I'm saying?

Season ends. How was that like knowing it was like it's time to get paid, like transition to be a pro, like dream come true? How was that moment? How was that summer? I ain't going to lie. We lost to South Carolina. And I was upset because I was fully involved.

I was at Duke. I was like, I want to see this through. I want to win a championship. The start of the season wasn't great, but we ended up, we won the ACC tournament. We won four games in four days. Nobody had ever done that. So we ended up being a two seed.

So I'm thinking like, yo, we really going to win the championship. We lost in the second round. And after the game, I remember I was like devastated. I was sick. The media, I'm in the locker room. And then I remember I got to the crowd and I went to go see my mom. And it just, it just clicked. I was like, damn, like my dream about to come true.

And at that moment, it wasn't like I didn't care that we just lost. It was like, man, this is what I've been working towards my whole life. And at that moment, it wasn't like I didn't care that we just lost. It was like, man, this is what I've been working towards my whole life. And it was like, I saw my mom. I was like, yo, I'm about to change my mom's life.

Yeah. And at that moment, I wasn't that sad no more. Like, I was damn near excited. But I remember I was a little nervous calling Coach K of like, telling him like, yo, I'm not coming back to school.

And Coach was like, you pick your agent yet? You ready? I was like, damn, coach, like, you don't want me to come back? He's like, no, like, you got to go. That's for real. Yeah, that's for real for sure. But like, I always was going to leave, but I had just built their connection, their relationship at Duke.

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It was crazy. So that's dope that Coach K did that for y'all. For real. Yeah, that's love. Listen, we know where you went in the draft, but did you think he was going number one? Mm-mm. You didn't think so?

Who went number one in the draft? Markell. Markell. And then two was Lonzo I ain't gonna lie Markel Fos was cold in college he was raw

nah facts he was hard to watch yeah he was nice when I watched him I was like yeah he's special Lonzo was nice but LeVar Ball's

marketing skills that entire summer yeah that was him that was crazy that should be spoke on more because I mean Lonzo was cold obviously he was deserving

he was raw but LeVar sold him so high. For real. He sold him so high. Going on campaign. Who else was on ESPN, bro? He really went crazy for that. His daddy's got to do better. I'm glad you ain't go. My daddy's going to be on SportsCenter, bro.

That's my little privilege. Daddy's wasn't involved. They got to do better. But it was a blessing not to go to L.A. for you. I'm glad you didn't go to L.A. I mean, you probably would have been filthy out there anyway, but I think Boston was just perfect. No, I mean, it definitely worked out.

But like you said, during that process, the narrative was it was consensus that Markell was going number one, and when the Lakers got the second pick, it was like Lonzo was going two. So it was never a thought in my mind. I was like, I just felt like everybody had their mind made up. Dang. And I was in L.A., so Philly had the number one pick at first. They came to watch me work out.

The Celtics came to watch me work out. I'm sorry, the Celtics had the number one pick at the time. They came to watch me in Phoenix. So Phoenix was four. So I worked out for all of them. They come watch me. Everybody was raving about the time. They came to watch me in Phoenix. So Phoenix was four. So I work out for all of them. They come watch me. Everybody was raving about the workout. But then somebody, I ain't going to say his name, but somebody on the Celtics

front office was like, yo, one of the best workouts I've seen. He was like, good luck in your career, but we got the number one pick. We're probably not going to pick you. So at the time, I was like, damn. Damn, Brad, you did that. No, it wasn't Brad. I'm just playing. Let me stop. I was like, damn. Damn, Brad, you did that. No, it wasn't Brad.

I'm just playing. Let me stop. I'm sorry, Brad. Hey, get Brad. Come on, bro. Don't do my guy like that. No, Brad my guy, too. I'm sorry, Brad.

But for me, I grew up a Kobe fan. I always wanted to play for the Lakers. Don't do it. For them to have the number two pick, and it wasn't even a thought that I was going to get drafted. That was kind of devastating. So I never worked out for the Lakers. They never came to watch me work out. And then it was like a week before the draft,

Philly and Boston traded the 31 pick. And I wanted to go to Phoenix. Phoenix had the fourth pick. Errol Watson was the coach. I went out there. I was looking at houses. The weather was nice. Damn. They had a young team. I was like, man, I'm going to Watson was the coach. I went out there. I was looking at houses. The weather was nice. They had a young team. I was like, man, I'm going to go get the play.

And then I remember Coach K was like, yo, Boston want to have you for a second workout. You should go. And I'm like, Coach, they just came off the Eastern Conference Finals. They got a veteran team. I'm probably not going to play. I don't want to go. And he was raving about Brad Stevens. He was like, Brad's one of the best

coaches in the league. Like, just go for another workout. And I remember I went up to Boston like three days before the draft. I had another workout. And I didn't know where I was getting drafted until they called my name. Dang. But, you know, the rest was history and it all worked out. For sure. That's crazy because I know from the outside looking in,

like you said, we feel for some of the propaganda from the ball. We didn't know it was sewed up like that. So to hear you say like the Lakers was that locked in, that's crazy. Yeah. I was sick too because I was like, man, I was so close to my dream and I might play for the Lakers. It was like best case scenario and they was, my mind was

made up. They didn't want to come watch me work out or had me come in. I was like, man. So you didn't think you was going to play out or had me come in. I was like, man. So you didn't think he was going to play at all in Boston? And then I get drafted. Gordon Hayward signed with the Celtics. I called my agent like, yo, I gotta get traded. Yeah, facts.

I'm in the summer league before I ever play a game. Like, yo, he like relaxed, just waited out. Yeah, man, he doing too much. Basically, he's like, you got to chill. I'm like, yo, I'm trying to play. I didn't get drafted to come off the bench and not start. Yeah, yeah. He was like, yo, you in a great organization.

They going to teach you how to play the right way. I ain't going to lie, I would have been worried, too. I mean, JB. Grab the headset, JT. Because they picked up Jordan, and then JB just got drafted the year before. And JB didn't even play that much his first year. So I would have been concerned, too. I ain't gonna lie.

So at first, I'm like, this is before Kai even came. But then when Kai came, it was cool because we traded a lot of people for Kai. I ain't gonna lie. But y'all wasn't in the same space. That was a hell of a trade Kyle. I ain't going to lie. But y'all went with Mouse. Yeah, y'all got real sales. Yeah, you had one.

Like, you had, I'll rock with you purely off of skill, but I think what's so crazy about you is, like, you accomplished so much in a short little time that people, like, want to downplay it. It's just, like, it's not his fault that he came in the league killing. A lot of people take adjustment periods. You was on a veteran team with a lot of people trying to get contracts with a lot of people trying to prove themselves and still flourish.

Your rookie year, y'all went crazy, man. Yeah. At that time, that was the most fun I ever had playing basketball. We lost our first two games, and Gordon got hurt on opening night, which was crazy. That was tragic. Yeah, unfortunately. We lost to Cleveland, played back-to-back.

We lost to Milwaukee. I was like, damn, this unfortunately. I mean, we lost to Cleveland, played back-to-back. We lost to Milwaukee. I was like, damn, this is going to be a tough year. But we won 16 games straight. And that's when I was like, Kyrie might be the best basketball player I've ever seen. My favorite player ever. Kyrie won the college basketball. Benny got hurt. And we had like 23 games left.

And I remember it was me, Smart, T-Rogue, Marcus Morris, Baines, Al. And we was already the two seed, and we had 23 games of, like, play, like, learn how to play with each other. And then we got to the playoffs, and it was like, man, we was just, like, everybody's favorite team because we was all young. Nobody expected us to beat Giannis in the Bucs. Then we beat Joel. Then we played Ron in the conference finals.

We was rolling. I ain't gonna lie. Like, we was just out there, like, having a ball. For sure. I gotta ask, man. How was it, you know what I'm saying, sending LeBron to tweet to follow you back to dunking on him in the playoffs? Like, that's a hell of a transition.

No, it was definitely a full circle moment. And I remember, like, when we beat Philly and they had swept Toronto that's when the tweets started going viral I made that tweet in eighth grade like when I first got on Twitter

yeah we know we see the times there but it's just funny it's like 2012 or something like that he was a fan I would never tweet did he take a picture

with Ron yeah but when I took a picture he take a picture with Bron? Yeah. But when I took a picture, he was a kid. I was like, wow. He was 12. I think it was already 6'3".

Then Bron held him on top of his head. Yeah. You on next game. I was like, nah, when I took that picture. You on next game is crazy. Clip that,

Louie. That was a good one. Clip that, Louie. That was a good one. Nah, that's funny. That's funny. Nah, I want you to speak on though, for real. I love, bro, Terry Rozier game, bro. T-Roll. I was there playing with him, man.

That little stint that y'all had, bro. Bro, so T, you know, like right before the season, before training camp, guys started coming in two, three weeks before. And the younger guys, I was in there like a month, and we was having open runs. And I remember the first time I called back home, and I called back and said, yo, Terry Rozier is like that, bro.

And when you're younger, you think the guys that come off the bench or not starting, you think they just bums or average. Man, when I seen T-Roll in that first pickup game, I was like, no, like, Terry really got game. Nah, he coming. You know, and for 95% of the league, you got to be in the right spot and have an opportunity. Yeah.

There's only a handful of guys that can go on any team and be who they are and that don't mean that the other guys not that good it's just those 5% of players are really that good so you know obviously you never want to see somebody get hurt but it was a blessing in disguise for Kyrie to get hurt T-Roy got the show you know

and be the starting point guard and you know do all those things. But I remember, like, it was September or whatever. I called back home. I was like, yo, T-Row is cold. You was killing, bro. But I feel like he was y'all, like, leader, bro.

He was y'all dog. And that run that was on, he was going crazy. JT was in the cut. You feel me? He was doing your thing. He was, nigga, at the front. Like, what's happening? When he tried to dunk on Bron, that's when it got crazy.

Yeah. I was like, yeah. That was my last game. Yeah, I was like, yeah, he tried to dunk on Bron, that's when it got crazy. Yeah. That was in that last game. Yeah, I was like, he ready to go home. He know he done enough. I'm just trying shit now. But the movement was crazy. It was scary and scary

because our boy act like when Eric Bledsoe didn't act like he know who he was, bro. He went crazy. It got spooky. That snatch back. That injury. Clipping Louis.

It was crazy. Then they had Bledsoe at the game. I said, they out of pocket Yeah Y'all was hard for that Rockwood That's tough You know what

I love Boston fans Even though when I played there It was COVID We didn't have a fan in the stand That's why I wasn't Hooping like that We ain't no fans I'm a performer

Like I need a crowd They had fake crowd noise The stands wasn't even out What was that The stands wasn't even out You couldn it? The stairs wasn't even out. You couldn't hoop a cappella? Nah, I ain't no hooper.

That's what the problem was. Yeah, I ain't no practice player, bro. I need a real show, bro. I was like, hey,

you turn it. Yeah, it was fake crowd noise. Niggas and mamas there. Yeah, I'm waving at JT, mama, she the only one in the crowd.

Put my son in the game. Little deuce running on the court. He ain't got no security. He just running on the court. He ain't got no security. He just running on the court. I'm like, hey, JT, get your song, man. Almost tripped over his shoe. No, Deuce do it.

He do it every year. Oh, yeah. That's fine. I was no friend. That's fine. We really was cheering for each other. Like, yeah, what a hoop ball. I'm like, I have my best game.

We on national TV. Didn't even feel like it. I tell people that was the hardest. That's got to be like the toughest NBA season of all time. That was terrible, bro. That's why I ain't get out there. No fans. You got to do the nose swab every morning.

Terrible. Like, you just didn't know who was going to play. Man, that was terrible. You had to sit and wait 30 minutes before you could go in the gym. We all just up there texting. I'm like, yeah, this is all for me. And that's crazy that y'all said that because I hear all the players say that was a trying

time, but it's like everybody else in the media be like, that Lakers ring don't count because it was COVID. I'm like, the niggas who was playing said that was really hard to deal with. Y'all, we're going over advice over y'alls. That was tough. That was tough. I don't know about them. For me, it was tough. I played into the crowd.

Especially being on the road. I want to apologize to Boston because that wasn't my best performance. There wasn't no fans there. But you was ready, though. I mean, we don't want to talk about your Michael Irvin story, but you was ready to play. Man, stop, bro. I wasn't.

I wasn't. I was just cleaning my nose a lot. I didn't want COVID. Chill, you know. He's out of pocket, bro. Let's move on from that. He always play too much, bro. That's why I'm a wrestler.

He's going to beat you up. He needs your help, bro. You don't have to stall him out, bro. What? How you rank a fake sport? Listen. See, nigga, you didn't come on here to do this but fuck it we here

that was loud everybody just sees the clips and fuck them really I don't give a fuck honestly excuse my language nigga but since you want to break it up I said a real karate black belt he agreed he is a wrestling group no I did not agree

he jumps off the ropes at the house he's the biggest wrestling fan in agree. He jumps off the ropes at the house. He's the biggest wrestling fan in the world. He jumped off the ropes. Why you adding into this, bro? See? I be leaving stuff alone. He all heard in. But I'm saying a real karate black belt is somebody who just plays in WWE.

Like, not saying the top wrestlers or nothing, but like, the nigga that probably had LeVar Ball out there. So it's like eight niggas built like LaVar Ball that a wrestler would get paid for. So a motherfucking real Karate Earl-type nigga with a black belt will beat the shit out of one of them, bro. I don't care, bro. So it's a G League wrestler?

You saying that? Back to JT, man. I'm not worried about him. See? Oh, now you want to wrestle with a smoker. No, I'm not worried about you, man. We not worried. We not going to disrespect where I'm about to about it We not worried We not gonna disrespect

Where I'm about to be performing next Hit is crazy Almost signed a deal with them But the answer The answer Not them WWE Then AEW called me too

Bro stop laughing at him bro I tell you how you laughing At the lunch table Person laugh Get it next bro Paul Don't do that Moving on Alright cool I'm laughing at him, bro. I tell you, you know how you laughing at the lunch table person laughing, get it next, bro. Pause. Don't do that. No, JT still,

JT still won. All right, cool. All right, man. Shoes is crazy. What was that feeling like, you know what I'm saying, knowing that you was going to be a signature athlete

getting your own shoe, man? Yeah, that's hard. No, it was dope. I mean, for me, I don't take anything for granted. Like,

I'm still young enough where I remember the days of playing 2K with my cousin. Like, yo, I'm going to be on the cover one day or going to Foot Locker. Like, man, somebody going to buy my shoes one day or get the jersey for Christmas. Like, man, somebody going to get my jersey for Christmas. So, it's like, it's still a wild moment. Like, when we go on the road and kids on the sideline or kids in the crowd holding up my shoes.

Like, three years in, it's my third shoe. And it's still like, man, like all the guys in the league, all the shoes you could have went to go buy. And it's like, man, you went to go buy mine. It's like, that shit is still dope to me even to this day. For sure. How's the design process like to be hands-on with something, like you said, you get to see out in the world.

And the second side of that question is, how do you feel about people playing against you in your shoes uh so that's a so the first part it's an 18 month process so like the threes is out the fours is done we working on the five so okay it's like it's a long process because you like you want to enjoy what you're wearing now but you're on meetings about when the fours is coming out and they like all right well we need to start designing the fives so it's it's tough it's starting to kind of stay in the moment because you're like man i just want to focus on what's going on right now but um shout out to everybody on the on the team team tatum and jordan brand

um they work very hard we always on calls together and uh it's just dope to see all the work that go behind it and all how long it took and it's like dope to see all the work that go behind it and how long it took. And it's like when you finally see the final product, when you get to see all the colorways and tell stories organically and people that, you know, can relate to whatever you're trying to tell, it's dope. And for me, you know, seeing guys wear my shoes, whether they college or the women's team in college

or the W's team in college or the wmba players uh we just played detroit like two games ago and shout out to tim hardaway tim hardaway been wearing my shoes like a year and a half now just but i always notice whenever i play tim he'll never wear them um but we always joke and laugh about it so he ain't wearing what we plan the other day then they went to to Miami and he had them on. But I get it. Like, man, being a competitor, you try and compete against somebody,

like you don't want to have their sneaks on. You know, I totally understand that. But shout out to all the guys in the league that wear the Tatum 3s or 2s or whatever. And I really do appreciate it. Them 3s is raw, bro. Yeah, they fire. You think you're going to have like a a Tatum team

where like guys who wear like you can I mean what Steph just do. He signed De'Aaron Fox. Tatum Soldiers. Yeah. Whatever you want to call them.

Tatum Soldiers is crazy. LeBron Soldiers. Tatum Soldiers. I remember I tried to be a LeBron Soldier. He didn't want to sign me up. He wants you to be a soldier. I was about to get D-Rose. He remember I tried to get D-Rose to start one too,

but it didn't work out. So give me an extra hundred grand. I'll wear them D-Rose. But shout out to Edger, man. Give my boy Tiggie a shoot, man. That'd be dope. You know, we keep building the business and we get to a point down the road

10 years from now when I'm one of the older guys. Anything happen? That's all right. That's fire. I got to ask, what was that excitement? What was a better feeling? I know you're very grateful, but being on 2K or getting your own shoot? Because that's two fire ass accomplishments. But to be on the cover of 2K,

bro, is crazy. Ooh, that's a good question. I ain't going to lie. I bought that 2K. Can't believe I bought it. Not like that. I'm not saying like that. I ain't bought 2k in a long time i usually get it delivered you could have sent me one bro that's crazy i got some JT. Kyle sent me shoes, bro. That's crazy. I got some JT. I ain't never get no JT.

You got some twos? I got some twos. I got some twos. Did you send him some threes? They on the way. I'm a Jordan athlete again. I got the Jordan athlete now. Threes on the way. Where do you use your platform, kid.

So you got to start bullying people. I think the moment when I found out I was on 2K was more special just because it was my birthday. And it was on the Netflix thing I did with Starting 5. Deuce, he surprised me. And at that moment, I kind of got emotional. I teared up a little bit. Just because it was like, man, it's my son sharing his moment with me. And at that moment, I kind of got emotional. I teared up a little bit. Just because it was like, man, it's my son sharing his moment with me.

This is something I always dreamed of. It was like, being on the cover of 2K is legendary. And have your own shoe as well, but man, 2K25 is like... Everybody play 2K. Oh, God, they do. I just wish they wouldn't

have did your game like they did it like when you was on the cover because nigga can't make a shot for shit I ain't hit a shot nah I'm raw now I'm talking about you talking about his game nah nah nah he raw on 2k they made him I'm talking about

the game play like when you create a player and you go on the wreck and stuff like can't nobody make a shot but me. My nephew sells me. My best friends sell me. I got a carry, but my back is getting heavy. People complain about the game play.

I try to text JT and tell him, tell Ron he didn't get this fixed. He didn't respond. But anyway, that's my sidebar. You ain't never texted me. I ain't texted you. Okay, okay. You right. My fault.

They was nervous today. I was nervous. He was nervous. You should have platformed to shave your 2K squatters out of the box. Yeah, they... We got to get better, bro.

He was nervous? He was nervous. Mike was nervous. They thought you wasn't going to come. I said, they just got here. I was like, man, he just ate. You said, he ain't take me back. Because you like him. What's up? I'm like, he ain't take me back. Cause you like,

he, what's up? I'm like, he ain't take me back yet. Prevent, that's it. Prevent, that's crazy.

What are we doing? I put the ER on it. I put the ER on it. I was being funny. Mike tired of us. That's freaky Mike. We ain't gonna, we ain't gonna tell you

his backstory. I ain't never can't i always come through bro no you do bro you always been so that's one thing i wanted to say like when you when it comes to fans and stuff like you d rose and a couple teammates that i had y'all always been great with fans i was never good with fans like i ignore a kid in a heartbeat you was good bro no i'm not saying like that like they'd be like, T, T, I hear him. And I just go back there. You don't ignore anybody.

That's what makes you you. You're a star for a reason you got a shoe. That's why you can be sold on a 2K cover because you treat everybody with respect. I wasn't disrespecting. I just didn't feel like signing that day. That boy love Cleveland Bills, bro. Pause. That's crazy. But listen,

he great at that, though. And I used to see that when we was in boston and like even like when you had a little mikey in here man to sign his jersey and see how excited he was about that i'm like man he really got it you know i mean you got that bro when did you start that though like when did you like become like damn i'm on low-key famous was it high school was it when you walked on campus at Duke? When did you start embracing that moment? It's a progression. When I was in high school, I got to a certain point. That's when social media took off.

I would come out the locker room. I was signing 300, 400 autographs at the game. In high school? Yeah. They on eBay right now, waiting to cash in. That support is crazy. You and Sexy Red, boy, St. Louis get behind y'all. Shout out to Imo's.

Imo's. Don't disrespect. I know you can't say Chinaman no more, but the Chinese food out there in Paris, shout out to the fried rice. I'm tapping in. Get him sexy. we out of pocket I wouldn't have been here was arguing about Nelly

and somebody bro he was really hot at me who I say was better than Nelly bro he was really bad T the type of guy he would just say he'd come in the locker room and just say some wild shit

just to like get a reaction out of you yeah say yo he used to say like and I love James Harden he used to be like James Harden better than Cole don't do that no no no wild shit just to like get a reaction out of you. See, you know, he used to say like, and I love James Harden.

He used to be like, James Harden better than Kobe. Don't do that. No, no, no, no. No, we here. I told you. I used to say no. He know Kobe was my favorite player. He just say anybody

was better than Kobe. See, you can't do that. I done got in trouble about this. So he used to just trigger you. Who was who? You say it was better than Nelly. I came, bro. I just said somebody.

Wow. He was hot. He was like, what? That's the first time I ever got him rattled. Is that all who you used to listen to, though? Was you warming up to this getting hot in here? So take off.

Shama, that's crazy. Hey, yo. Yo, who the... Oh, man People are trying to go Indiana Go ahead Go ahead Go ahead

We got Michael Jackson I know We got Michael Jackson Who the best rapper from Indiana? Shout out Freddie Gibbs Yeah, he from the G I guess Yo, chill

No, I ain't disrespect I'm just saying He not from our city Yeah, he ain't from now He from I'm just saying he's not from our city. He's from Gary. We speak on him. Gary is the best rapper from Indiana. Okay. Alright.

Y'all got Sexy Nelly. Changster. Changster. Changster? What's up, nigga? Y'all all used to listen to Changster. What's the nigga this? Y'all all used to listen to the Changster. What's the nigga this?

Nah, we ain't. I ain't play Changster. Yeah, Jay Quan. Jay Quan? Yeah. Man, he getting paid right now from that country dude using his song.

Ah, yep. Shibuza or something like that. So y'all have some shit, bro. Y'all have some music. I'm worried for his cousin Nelly. So yeah, that's a big statement. Nah, I thought Nelly was raw back in the day.

But there's people better than that got better music than Nelly. So we need to's a big statement. I thought Nelly was raw back in the day. But there's people better than, that got better music than Nelly. So you need to get tight about that. It's crazy. It's a handful of people. JT, stop, man. We ain't gonna do that. I said it's a handful of people. He did go diamond. JT's favorite rapper is Jay-Z, though. That's how me and him got cool. I'm like, dang,

you listen to Jay-Z, bro? The crazy thing about T, he came to the team, and this was during the COVID season, so the season started late, like November, December. Our first game was on Christmas. He didn't talk for the first, like, three weeks. Like, he ain't say nothing. Gotta test people out, bro.

Dark times, bro. And then, one day, this nigga did not shut up. Like he ain't talked for like three weeks. I was like, man, something wrong with it. He different. Yeah. And then after that, he just, from the day he got traded to the day he got traded, he talked every day. Wow.

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I didn't think he was weird. I'm really roasting y'all in my head. I remember because I was like, man, they think I'm weird. They don't know I'm really weird. They didn't think he was weird. I'm like, I'm really roasting y'all in my head, bro. I'm really being cool. You know what I mean? Then I just said it to him. Yeah. I was like, man, I said something to him. Then we started shooting together, and I was beating him and shooting every time. Yeah.

Can we get on that story? Because Evan Turner said he whooped your ass one day in practice, and that's a 1v1. I mean, that's probably the reason. Like, I don't address a lot of things. People say a lot of things on the internet and on TV about me, and it's cool. Everybody got a job. Yeah. But I like y'all platform and podcast.

Yeah. And I feel like I had to come up here and address some things. I had E.T. We in the crew message. Right. And sometimes you just can't let people get away with lying. Who lying? You can't let them get on the camera and just start lying.

Call E.T. He's addressing the allegations. I thought he was talking about me. He said he used to do dog walking. This was ET's first year coaching. He still wanted to hoop. T wasn't... I ain't going to say he wasn't playing, but like... I was starting at first. No, I was sixth man.

Yeah, he was coming off the bench. He was coming off the bench. Okay. He was coming off the bench. See? He came in as Jet. Don't do that. But T, don't do that. T, like, he got this demeanor, like, he don't, he just real nonchalant. Like, everything he just.

No, that's facts, bro. He be in practice, he was kind of, like, barely tied. But after practice, he would want to play one-on-one. He would want to, we would always shoot after practice. Right. And me, him after practice, he would want to play one-on-one. We would always shoot after practice. And me, him, and ET would play one-on-one every day. And he would win some spots. Like if we played a lot of spots.

Yeah! He's 16. I'm 5'9". Yeah. Posting him up. He was crazy. He was scoring on ET. Damn.

I was scoring on you too, bro. And some of those kicks and shit. He's lying, bro. Say y'all, I was supposed to get an ET. Don't do my dog like that, bro. We got to go let you do ET.

Tell the truth, Jay. He's lying now, bro. ET used to lock him up sometimes. See, that's what we talk about. He was trying to get do ET. No, bro. Tell the truth, Jay. He's lying now, bro. ET used to lock him up sometimes. See, that's what we talk about. He was trying to get it. 10 days. He was trying to come back, bro. We down here,

we was thinking about, like, niggas get, a couple people get COVID, man. You like, a couple niggas get COVID. We for real, bro? I was like, hey, bro, get COVID.

He was trying to come back and hoop. Man, I was like, bro, bro, get COVID, man. You back and hoop. Man, I was like, bro, get COVID, man. You might have to suit up, bro. Bro, we was playing when King of the Court that day at home. I tween cross ET. I go to lay the ball up. No, I just grab me out the air. He's flying hard, bro.

Brad Stevens walking the baseline, like, for a split second, ET lost his mind. Like, he almost got fired. Yeah. Like, he grabbed me out the air. Not, like, the foul me, just like the, so I wouldn't get the, E.T. lost his mind. He almost got fired. He grabbed me out the air. Not like the foul, but just so I wouldn't get the layup. And Brad, non-confrontational, Brad just looked at him

like, what are you doing? That's when I knew it was time for me to stop playing. He said, he trip on me and some shit. Ain't got much room around here. He thought he was in the joint.

No, he, like, the thing I couldn't believe, like, you know, most of the star players, they get their shots up, then they gonna go about their business. He'll be looking for you like, uh-uh, we ain't playing today. I'm like, and he different. We in the gym for another two hours.

Bro, we would play one-on-one every day. And I'm like, yo, he different. Like, he want to be in here for another two hours? Bro, we would play one-on-one every day. And I'm like, yo, he different. Like, he want to be in here for another two hours? I really don't even want to be in here. But I'm going to play against him. That's because I, like, T wouldn't, he didn't really want to be at practice. So I'm like, damn, bro.

I'm a coach, bro. Don't say that. Tell your truth. That's those of the kids. Don't say that. Because that was a fucking third good washer in the gym. Damn. My fucking man

not been submitted in practice. My fucking running all day. Fucking with Coach T. But I will say, he like this. A lot of people

don't necessarily want to go through the practice schedule, but if they want to compete, if you want to go through a workout or shooting drills or play one-on-one after practice,

everybody want to compete. So that was our thing. After practice, shooting drills or play one-on-one after practice, everybody want to compete. So that was our thing after practice. We would always play one-on-one, meet him and E.T. after practice. Do you give him a little credit, though, him and E.T., for sharpening your skills a little bit? Just a little bit. I'm trying to get him to show him a little love.

Did E.T. teach you a motherfucking drill, nigga, that you use in the game? Teach you a drill, right? The funny thing about E.T. teach you a motherfucking drill, nigga, that you use in the game? The funny thing about E.T., he would tell, like, E.T. E.T. was assistant coaches at this point. For sure. E.T. was like, what am I going to teach Jason Taylor? What am I going to teach him?

He better than me. I'm like, good point, E.T. We talked about that too, though. E.T. was the wildest, funniest coach I ever had. And not even trying to be funny, we was playing in Milwaukee. And I think at half, I had to be like three for ten. I missed like four or five threes. So I missed my last three.

We were walking off. And he just so, it's like, he got an innocence about it. He run up to me. He's like, yo yo you know you can make some of them right like i know what he's trying to say but how he conveyed a message it's so crazy because like how do i even respond to this in the moment you just don't you laugh bro like yeah i'm I have, bro. Like, yeah, I'm trying to, bro. I'm trying. That was a good time, bro. Me and E.T. still in the sidelines just talking the whole game.

He like, look at JT, man. He want the ball, man. Look at him. He pissed. I'll be on their left. Oh, I gave him the ball. Like a drunk uncle. I gave him the ball. Get that boy the ball, man.

Sit back down. Get the ball, man. When you see him, I'll give him the ball, man. That was a fun year. I give T credit, though. I wanted a D-Rose autographed jersey. And I didn't know that they was cool. I didn't know that they knew each other from way back. And T made sure I got an autographed Detroit Pistons D-Rose jersey. Yeah, I was like, man, go up to him, bro.

I went up to him. He looking like, he want Mark. I'm like, yeah. I was like, I need one too. God damn, it was like nervous to go up to him and ask D-Rose. That's what made me like kind of get like drawn to you, Paul. But it's like, you were so cool. I'm like, man, he a star.

He a superstar. But he'll be like, I remember you, bro. And he'll show you love. Like, I'm like, man, he a star. Like, he a superstar, but he'll be like, I remember you, bro. Like, and he'll show you love. Like, he ain't give me no love right now.

It's cool, but he'd be like, nah, you, nah, he remember you when you were in Atlanta. I'm like,

yeah, he supposed to stick his ass in. You know what I'm saying? Right on, bro. You know what I'm saying? And E.T., E.T. liked that too.

E.T. would give you a lot of love. And I was like, dang. So when I seen him start working together ET was like man he like a little bro bro but he cold

only person he would ever say something else to get under his skin would be Luka bro anytime we mention Luka even though it definitely ain't no beef with them or nothing

it's just competitive spirit but ET would be like yeah Luka cold I'd be like oh JT about to get 40 tonight he about to get 40 tonight. He about to go crazy. I was like, say it again, E.T.

Before the game, we about to play something. I'd be like, talk about Luka. E.T. would be like, my favorite player is Luka. E.T. would be like, J.T. would be like, why? I'd be like, she cold, though. You know what I mean? I'm like, he is cold, though. I knew he was going to get at least a 32-point performance.

We on the bench. We just want to see somebody kill. Ah, see? Some motherfuckers know how to trigger him, though. Yeah, I do now. Get him going. I text him now. Whew. I couldn't say nothing the first game this year.

You went crazy. I didn't want to give you no love, though. I was just like. I didn't want to give you no love. I didn't want to give you no love. Send that nigga a thumbs up. Yeah, I was like. Wait a hoop.

Wait a hoop. Pass the progression. But he was killing, bro. He was to give him a thumbs up. Yeah, I was like, wait a hoop, wait a hoop. But he was killing, bro. He was killing. It's been good so far, for sure. Listen, man, we definitely want to talk about the ring. I had last year to get the ring. But I want to ask, you know what I'm saying,

planning against the Warriors in 22, coming up a little bit short, but how was that experience, you know what I'm saying, motivated you to be ready to get that chip last year? I mean, certain things that you go through in real time that you don't understand, like, how this is going to prepare you for the future. Because losing at 22 is, like, devastating. Like, we was at 11th seed. We end up getting to the 2 seed.

We beat Katie and Kyrie. We beat Giannis, the defending champs. We go to Miami and win in game seven. Like, that was one of the toughest runs I can remember in recent years. And then the follow-up short, it was like, man, we just did all of that for nothing. It was devastating.

And then the next year, we kind of like, we like overlooked teams a little bit. We just wanted to get back to the finals. We ended up going six with Atlanta in the first round. Like we didn't handle business the way we should have

and put ourselves in a hole. We was down 0-3 and you damn near got to be perfect to win four games in a row. And, you know. I sprained my ankle the first play of the game. The margin for error is just that much shorter when you're down 0-3.

I think last year was the perfect balance of obviously we got KP, we got Drew. I think our team was just in the perfect space of everybody got paid. Everybody had individual success and awards the only thing we haven't done besides drew was winning championship and i give a lot of credit to our coaching staff

and joe yeah um just the way we prepared like in our mindset we knew how to play and we really we just got better every single day we approached how we was going to play the bucks the same way we was going to play the wizards like we same way we was going to play the Wizards. We didn't look past nobody. And we lost 18 games last year, and we went 16-3 in the playoffs. I know we still playing, and nobody want to give us our credit,

but the shit we did last year was special. Nah, that shit was special. I don't give you no fucking credit. I don't know what's on you different. Anybody else is just blatantly hating. As a Patriots fan, please tell me that we was the hardest team, you know what I'm saying, last shot of the postseason.

That nigga do got a Celtics-greyed outfit over there, don't he? No, I'm just saying Celtics-greyed. Lucky can never. No, I mean, I said it. I'm on record for saying it. Yes, sir. The Patriots, that was the hardest series that we had last year. Just like how fast they played.

They were subbing three people at a time. TJ McConnell was unreal at home. Yeah. The thing he was doing, OB topping. The role players that they got, they just all so selfless. They don't stop moving. Everybody played without the ball. Yeah. they got, they just also selfless. They don't move. They don't stop moving. Everybody play without the ball. And they just like

they the way they play, they try to they like bait you into playing how they play. And like that works for them. And you know, our thing is like we want to get stops in defense and you look up, the score might be 135. Like that's the game that they want to play.

And when they get you playing that way, like, they can beat anybody. Yeah. And, you know, we came back in overtime the first game. Game three, we was down 19. And game four, shit, we went down to the wire. Like, we swept them, but, like, every game we was dead tired. No, they were all good games, though, for the most part. Like, exciting games to me, I should say.

I give Indiana a lot of credit. We was dog tired after every game after that. Listen, we don't get nice things often, so that compliments me a lot to me. That's because this nigga still the NBA. He's probably tough like that. The way we start off this season, I don't know if I can be happy this year or not, man. It's a thing for them Cowboys. That's all I need right now.

Nah, when Drew first got traded from Milwaukee, what'd I tell you? Who was going to win? Nah, I told you, go get Drew. Remember, he got sent to Portland. Oh, first got traded from Milwaukee, what'd I tell you? Who was gonna win? Nah, I told you, go get Drew. Remember, he got sent to Portland. Oh, he got traded from Milwaukee. Yeah. I said, go get Drew. Y'all gonna win. He said, I'm already on it. I said, no, you wasn't, man. He said, I'm on it. And then I seen it happen.

I said, damn, he was on it. He wasn't playing. He wasn't playing. Damn, he really got pulled over there. It wasn't the time of contact, no tampering. I'm just saying, though, him joining the team, though, how was it, bro? Did you think, like, when Drew got there, of course y'all got aspirations of winning, but he was like, nah, this is going to help us. Nah, I mean, absolutely.

Drew was on the team with me in 2021 when we was in the Olympics. Fresh off, he just won the championship with the Bucs. Came with us, and we won the championship with the Bucks. Came with us and we won the gold medal together. And I just, I understood at that time that Drew was like the Swiss Army Knife.

He could guard the one through the five. He could be on ball. He could play off the ball. You put him in the dunker. He could set screens. He could score on any matchup. And he not like,

you know, he a team player. When the big games, he gonna do what he's supposed to do and not that he gonna fall back but he just know how to play with you know superstars and he like the ultimate teammate

so when we got Drew it's definitely like our confidence rose like man we just felt that much better about what he was about to do yeah as a Pacers fan I'm hating because y'all cheating you're not supposed to have Derek White and Drew Our confidence rose. We just felt that much better about what we was about to do. As a patient fan, I'm hating because y'all cheating. You're not supposed to have Derek White, Andrew, and then switching to you and JB. That's not fair. Man, life ain't fair, man.

Derek White got called when he cut the hair. They had to pay for that, though. They salary cap and tax bill is probably nuts. I can't imagine. I know he's selling a tape for a reason.

I'm trying to do it. It's just too much. We winning, but boy, this tax bill is crazy. It's worth it though, bro. Yeah, I mean, championships is for sure worth it. Y'all two are great stars so far. For sure. I mean, I want to ask, you know what I'm saying, having the crazy

summer, you know what I'm saying, getting a dream, getting to go, how do you come back motivated? Obviously, you're a professional, you come to hoop, but like, having such accomplishments in a short amount of time, what keeps you motivated and locked in to come into this season? I think for me, one thing is like, man, I'm only 26. I think

a lot of people not, some fans or people in the media might view like, oh, he been in a championship, he been in a conference final. Like, they might think I'm older

than what I am. Like, boy, you look 30. You gotta kick off early, though. You gotta kick off early. You gotta understand

where it come from. And that's why I said I never understood, hey, I'm like, why is it his fault because he was successful early? Like,

you came in the league once and he's like, like, don't age him for it. You get mad at him for it. He was still killing. Nah, I mean, it's some truth to that. The expectation for me was just way higher because I went to

the conference finals at 20. For me, being 26, I got a lot of basketball left. That feeling of winning the championship and having that parade, it was like, man, I want to do this shit again and again and again. My favorite players, the guys

I looked up to, they didn't just win one championship. I didn't come into the league of like... Or make one All-Star game. They had so many. They'd be your own guys, bro. That's what JT was on. The real one. He didn't say nothing about

an All-Star game, bro. He didn't say nothing about an all-star game, bro. He didn't say nothing. He laughed. He laughed from St. Louis. That's from St. Louis. Give me your own, guys. Nah, bro. You know you my name. You made the all-star game like this.

Not a lot of people can say that. Nah, I'm just talking. You got one of them. It's fine. Kyle, I'm back I was going to I'm back oh man well I'm sorry please don't say I'm being here

I think just like the motivation came from like man I understand the space that I'm in and trying to maximize this window of like, I want to be one of the best players ever played. And I understand the window that I have right now. And God willing, I stay healthy that, you know, I feel like I put in the time and effort to take care of my body, to eat the right things and work on my game to be one of the best that, you know, it's not just I want to be one of the best players to ever play. And not to say that it's about rankings, but I want to accomplish everything that's in front of me.

I know we're about to, you know, get out of here. I want to ask you, like, he speak high on Al Horford. That's his guy for real. Yeah, in fact. How you feel about him, man? Watching him win the championship with you, bro. I know that was big. No, Al, that's like easily one of my favorite, if not my favorite teammate I ever had.

Yeah. From a professional standpoint, like when I got drafted at 19, seeing how Al approached every practice day, every game day, every off day is a testament to like his career. It's year 18. It was year 17 last year and we relied heavily on Al to help us win a championship. It's not a lot of people in year 17

that's starting on a team that's going to the finals. And that game three against Indiana, he had like eight threes. Yeah, he was Kyle Korver. I remember. And it's like we needed him to win that game. So Al took me under his wing, you know, since my first day. And, you know, somebody that's like always been there for me,

somebody that I've learned a lot from, from the standpoint of like having a routine. I got my routine from watching Al have a routine. That's why he's been in the league for so long and been so successful. Al is one of the best people you will ever meet, one of the best players, Hall of Fame career. To help him get over that top

and win a championship was like, that was special. I was so happy for Al, bro, because Al was one of the coolest dudes ever, bro. He just do his job. He'll help you with anything. Give you any advice. He want the best for everybody. I knew when y'all got him back, when Brad

went back and got him, I was like, man, y'all gonna have a special run. And he ain't stopping no time soon. Oh, he's still going. Nah, keep getting that check, my boy. Keep moving. Facts, facts. So before we get out of here, obviously we know you play to win championships, but do you have any personal goals you can share with us this season, man?

Man, I want to win another championship, bro. Okay. Obviously, like, you want to win MVP, you want to first team All-NBA again and those things. And winning MVP or wanting to have that as a goal, that's not a negative thing. Nah, I don't know.

That's what I'm just saying. If you aspiring to do that, you playing at a high level, you playing efficient, you dominating your team is one of the best. And even if you don't win, right, it's only one person that can win, but it's five people every year that's playing at an MVP level. For sure. So just trying to, you know, continue to dominate, being more efficient, and understanding this window we have.

Trying to get better every day and winning a championship and getting our ring the other night was one of the coolest moments. It was like, man, I want to do that shit again and again and again. Yeah, for sure, man. Listen, man, we know you got to get out here, man. We appreciate you sliding on this, man. Before you leave, though. Because he's on Netflix.

Starting five, baby. I caught my wife watching starting five and she was like dang Jason's a real serious dude I said don't believe that that's not he's funny like he jokes he's like nah he's just so like mature I didn't know he was only

26 I'm like you calling me immature he's calling you WWE nah I ain't saying he fake but I'm like... You calling me immature? He's calling you WWE. Nah, I ain't saying he fake, but I'm just saying that's why people think you older. You carry yourself super mature and put together. No shot to AE, but your clips against AE clips

is totally different. I'm going crazy in this club. And then you come to yours, it's like well seasoned like yeah come here son like you know how I'm doing

but nah he always carried himself like super mature I'm like nah that's dope bro but nah it's dope to watch y'all show man being on there for sure

that announced new season but definitely check out the Star 5 you have it how was that process of filming that man like you know what I'm saying obviously you always

been a constant professional but to let people in like your personal life that type of no the camera's always rolling how was that experience uh

it got better or you got used to it as the season went on okay right they did a good job of like blending in with all the other cameras

that's always following you, having people at your house and in your personal space. And, you know, with family time, it's different. And right.

I'm on camera. I'm more of a reserve guy. Like T said, like, yeah, that's, I am that person that they saw on Netflix, but you know,

I'm more open off the camera and things like that. But it was cool and it was cool to be a part of the first season that they documented like man they saw when i got covered 2k they saw when i won the championship sir so to be able to look back years from now i have those moments and my mom was on there my son some of my best friends um and just being on the first season like that that was dope and you know i was glad i was a part of it i think the far part about it is you got to see all the media exerts a lot of people like speak it down like you said the high expectations how they spoke about you all year and for you to win especially the way they documented it super far because it

made a lot of people just deal with the results of it and i mean that's like they never gonna stop talking about that's real what I realized in that moment when we won is like I thought I was gonna go on a rant and like go back at everybody that ever had something

to say about me and it's like he's about to crash out you think you are like he's like man when we win like I got receipts

and it's like man that's not what this is about like when I win I'm holding up the trophy my mom my grandma crying my son I got my homies I got, I'm holding up the trophy. My mom, my grandma crying, my son.

I got my homies. I got 18,000 people in the stands. It's like, it's about the people that supported you and been rocking with you through the ups and downs. It's like, regardless if we win or not, they still probably talking about me on first take tomorrow. Exactly. That's never going to go away.

So I don't want to never trip off. You MVP this year, though, bro. I'm going to give it to you. You see how you like, yeah, all that came to his mind when he grabbed the trophy. Yeah, I'm crashing out. Say something now. That's me. That's why he that's why he is.

What you going to say? Steven, hey, we're coming for you. I'm crashing out. Hey, shout out to you for hitting him on the first time when you got the chip. He like,

yeah, that was fire. That was hard, bro. I was hyped for him, but he did the same thing when we won. I called him,

man. Group project, you know, when he won. See, see, see, that's what I'm saying.

Like, Netflix though, y'all ain't get to see, like, he do this all day, bro. He joke all day. That's what I'm saying Like Netflix though Y'all ain't get to see Like that's He do this all day bro He joke all day That's where I get The joking from

I started joking on them I ain't joking On the other team I'm lying I joke on every team But Michelle man We gotta get out of here

JT we appreciate you man Tell the people That can drop the new The shoes man The new colorway dropping We got a new colorway Dropping What's this

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