Club 520 Podcast - BEST OF 520: Jeff Teague's CRAZY rookie story, 2007 HS class + Kam Jones on getting drafted by Pacers

Episode Date: July 12, 2025

In this week's BEST OF CLUB 520, we look back at Jeff Teague and the guys top moments of the week. Teague, DJ Wells and B Hen talk about the Pacers upcoming season with Tyrese Haliburton, and why tanking is a big possibility. Plus, Jeff tells an INCREDIBLE STORY of trying to get paid when he got into the NBA. And stick around to hear an exclusive interview with Pacers 2025 NBA Draft pick Kam Jones, where he talks about playing center in high school, dominating at Marquette, being compared to Derrick White, and so much more! #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That was crazy. Yeah, I don't know what the Wizards are doing. You think that was a good move for them? No, they just drafted it. Ken Whitmore. And Trey Johnson. They literally did. They got Cam Thomas, even though he ain't signed back,

I'm sure he'll be back. Cam Whitmore, Trey Johnson, Chris Middleton. Cam Thomas played for the Wizards. Not Cam. Ah damn, I don't know why I said that. But they got Cam Whitmore, Trey Johnson. CJ McCollum's on the watch instead. CJ McCollum.

They used to on them when you were young. Chris Middleton, Marcus Smart, that one white dude from Gonzaga. Drew Temme, no. Kelly Olenek, who the hell is that? Kelly Olonek. No, the other one. That's another white kid that went to Gonzaga.

Oh, Corey Kisper. There you go, they still got Corey. Hey, I gotta fuck up. This is Otix, I ain't gonna lie to you. They still got Corey. Yeah, I don't see no room for Ken. So I'm assuming this has to be a long-term play after next year, because I imagine they're gonna probably

have Smart or Brogdon on the roster next year. You probably gonna try, well, Bud Carrison's a starting PGA young boy, he solid as hell. So who playing, CJ McCullough? CJ gonna have to be gone after this year. I'm just saying this year. Oh, this year CJ's starting, so he gone for sure. Okay.

CJ's for sure starting. Yeah, Cam Whitmore is looking like he'll back up three right now until Chris is gone, but I imagine that maybe that young court they wanted is Bud Carrington, Trey Johnson, and Cam Whitmore at they one through three. Cause I think Cam's what, six five, six six? So maybe he can play the three.

But I mean, for two second round picks, I ain't mad at the gamble. Remember that. Trey gotta play. But Cam could've went to somebody who needs that right now though. Well the report is that they had other offers on the table, but they wanted to put him

in the best situation to develop and thrive. And I'm like, if you send somebody to Washington, you don't really want them to develop and thrive. Well they get more opportunity. They looking at it as an opportunity standpoint. Like, all right, we like Cam or whatever. We're gonna send him somewhere where we know he can play. It's all equal playing field.

Like, Trey Johnson was a first round pick. Cam Whitmore was a first round pick. It ain't too far. If he played more than Trey Johnson, it ain't. It's okay. It ain't like you out of pocket. He was a first round pick too. Cause he did his thing.

Yeah. And Cam is his thing. Yeah. And Cam is pretty solid. Like Cam, it's a lot of promise. You talk about a lot. That would be a great pickup for somebody else though. Damn, I hate to see that. That's what I was thinking. I'm like, I wonder what the other offers were.

You know, you hear a lot of shit that goes on, but the real is I'm sure another team would have probably offered them a little bit more for them to get there. Like you said, maybe they wanted him to go play now. Cool, but. But they still got the other young boy like, B-B-B-B-B, what's his name? B-La-B-B.

B-La, my boy, yeah. Yeah, they still got him. Oh yeah. He nice. Yeah, you know the young wing they got? Yeah, whatever his name is, no disrespect to you. Dej, my friend, he nice. But they still got him too, that's another young wing,

and I'm just like. What we doing? I don't know. Yeah, I don't too, that's another young wing. And I'm just like, what we doing? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what that's about. That really, that threw me off, shit. I don't know, it just. I would've kept him if I was his. Yeah, I was surprised.

That just got a lot of young wings over there. I don't know if that's gonna really fit. But I mean, if you gonna let him go, get something back that you can use service with. We trying to win a chip now. I mean, you got two second rounders. I mean, they really ain gonna let him go, get something back that you can use serviceable. We trying to win the chip now. I mean, they got two second rounders. I mean, they really ain't got no room for money. That's the problem.

That's why they can't find, they can't sign Dorian Fenn Smith right now or Clint Capella. Yeah, do you see there's like a seven team deal that's going on? They trying to link all these together to make it make sense from a money standpoint. That's very interesting they happen.

So we'll see more of that probably in the next couple days, but even today, this morning, they said that it's like a seven team deal, something crazy like that, to make the money shift. The second April thing is dumb. What is it for? It's just killing, it's for the owners. For the owners to save money.

But it's also like not fair, because if you watch, like the owners can always get their money back. Like players, they can never get that money back. Like you get what you get. Like the owners is making money while they playing, while they're owning the team, they make money. Then they can sell it and get all their money back and plus more.

It's nothing wrong with it. I get it. Cause they supplying, they the reason this league works. Obviously you can have players, but if you don't got owners, people who putting up the capital to make this shit work, it ain't gonna happen, I get it. But I'm just saying like,

if one owner got more money than another, who fucking fault is that? Absolutely, you right. If I can afford to pay the tax, and you can't, who fault is that? But to me, the second apron is really hurting people like OKC, teams that develop these young talents. If you look at the CBA, years ago when James Horton

came up, it killed the OKC team back then. Because they couldn't, the CBA didn't allow them to do what they wanted to do to keep their talent, but they making these homegrown stars, building them up and now they can't, the CBA didn't allow them to do what they wanted to do to keep their talent. But they making these homegrown stars. Building them up. And now they can't even keep them on their team. Because the second April, they can't afford to go on the tax. It's like a crazy tax.

So they gonna lose this beautiful team that we've seen this year. Hell yeah. And then, you know what I'm saying? The president right now, CJ McCullough, been catching hell for it. That's just like, man, why you agree to that bullshit? That's what I just been saying, they're like, hey man, what you want, bro?

Like, why y'all agreeing to this bullshit? And even looking at W, they getting upset with their collective as well, as it seems like the players associations across the board really be kinda letting down the players. Well, they tricked them because they made it seem like it's gonna be parody around the league. Like, oh, every team is gonna have stars now.

Cause you can't keep a star. And then you look at it, it's like, yeah, but you also can't keep a star. And then you look at it, it's like, yeah, but you also can't pay anybody else. Everybody's gonna get lower contracts now. You're gonna have two, maybe three max players and everybody else who at once upon a time when people was getting the mid-level exception,

getting 14, 15, 20 million, you're gonna have like one player like that, one or two, who's getting 10, 12, 13, 14, 15 million. It's just not good. It took the fun out of basketball, kinda. Like you said, to the point of, we were so surprised that Special D'Ewitty got 14 million for one year from Charlotte.

That's a mid-level exception. In years past, that's a couple of people getting that bread. Now people is like D-Lo had to get two years, 12 million. That's crazy for somebody that's caliber. Just to make it work. And try to hit free agency again next year to see if he can get 14, 15 million. You know what I mean?

Just to be on a team. And it ain't nothing. Yeah, that's tough. God forbid you get injured. Jesus. Oh, you're cooked. Yeah. Done.

And don't be in a situation to where you later in your career, you want to contend, you are most definitely now with this law, you're taking a pay cut for sure. Definitely. Yeah, I don't know. Definitely.

Al Horford, minimal. Which is crazy. He gonna get like, at most he gonna get five million. Al should be getting 10. He's still serviceable. He plays enough minutes to qualify for it. Can't nobody afford him. Yeah, I should be getting 10.

Look at the shit they trying to do to give Clint Capella seven million. Dorian Finney Smith 14, 15 million. That's what I told y'all. Y'all talking about this, that's why I said y'all boy need a software update. Who? I said, what's that boy named Ken Tale?

KCP? No, no, no, from the Sixers, the two guard that y'all love. Quentin, Quentin Grimes. Yeah, he trippin'. I said 25. Ah, he not getting that. You ain't random, motherfucker, pamphlet. Nah, yeah.

Clearly. Yeah, that was quiet for that 25 for my boy. Yeah. Now he, you know what I'm saying, trying to get it how he live. Yeah, you're gonna have to take that qualified contract and try it again. You just gotta fight hard, bro.

Oh no. And I feel like that guy leads to like division in the locker room, because you're gonna have so many people, you gotta have a few people who comfortable, everybody else is literally fighting for their life now. I mean, obviously I know it's competitive, everybody's always going for that next contract,

but now you got a smaller windows. Ain't nobody really getting three year deals. You're getting one plus ones at best two. They took it back to the old NBA. You got to think that's how I was back in the day. When I first came out, like the mid level reception was eight million. That's what I had got. It was like eight million or whatever.

But you had one player on your team had a max deal. And you had a couple had making 13, 14. Like Al was making 15, Josh making 13, Marvin was making like nine. Yeah, Joe was making 24. And then the next player was making like 14. It was a pick-up, you know what I mean? It was just like a pick-up order.

Now, I mean, it's always been like that in the league, but now at one point it had got so cool where like a guy like Ken Basemore was making 17 million. And you like, damn, that nigga though. He had fourth option. He came in at the right time. You had Duncan Robinson getting 20 million a year. Yes, sir.

You know what I mean? It was just like at a point in time it was good where the money, the TV deal came, they didn't have the second apron shit yet. People was getting paid because they had to spend that money. But now this shit didn't run it. Like look at Boston, bro, they went from top of the world to.

I don't know what they gonna do. But shit, I don't know, cause Dame said he interested. I mean, yeah, I'm just saying how they had to. They still gonna be competitive, but I see y'all talking from a money standpoint. Yeah, but I'm saying, like, you had to break up your whole team.

They like, yo, we got two years, then you gotta slice this team up, cause ain't no way we paying that tax. Yeah. They let go everything. Yeah, bro, that's. Do y'all still think Jalen Brown would be up for a trade? Are they gonna hold off?

I mean, you still gotta put a nice product on the floor. I mean, even though it's Boston people, still gonna go to the games. Yeah. Just because it's routine now, people probably didn't pay for their season tickets. Ever since the championship, probably three years in advance, you know what I mean?

Yeah, gotcha. Cause that's what happened with Cleveland. When LeBron left, they games were still sold out cause people bought season tickets for like four years in events. Dang good, Bernuda Vibes. You wanna tap in, tap in now. I see your boys got a lot of threat.

All right, Pacers, shout out to my dog J Huff, man. I like J Huff. He's a really quality backup. He's probably gonna start cause we don't have a big. He has to start. Well, he doesn't have a choice. We don't have no central. Huff Dogg, Huff Dogg gotta start.

I need a jersey. I like the way that he play though. He plays just like we big. He has to start. Well, he doesn't have a choice. Huff Dog, Huff Dog gotta start. I need a jersey. I like the way that he play though. He plays just like we need. He play like Miles. Yeah. He's just a little bit more athletic. Than who? Than Miles Turner.

He is. You know what's on par with who you talking about? The Huff, the big white boy. He ain't more athletic than Miles. Yes he is, bro. Yes he is, bro. Then he a better lob thrower. Yes he is.

He can shoot. He can finish above the rim. He always backwards dunking, he can catch a lob. Use more, keep more airflow in the mouth. Absolutely. All right. I saw that said. Damn, that's a sneaky, that's a sneaky pick up. It's a good pick up.

It's a quality pick up. I'm rolling, actually. I've been spinging very hard on him. I didn't know why he didn't work in Memphis. Obviously they got hella bigs, but I didn't never know why he didn't. Cause he got a little bit of men's with them. He was productive, but they got hella bigs.

But no, he's a good player. But like some of Miles dunks that you've seen. I mean, Miles come through the middle with that bitch. Now that's one thing, Miles will pump fake and drop to the basket and hit a punch on your ass. Now some other stuff down low, would I expect Miles to just turn and dunk some times? That ain't really his game.

So I'll get mad. He'll do that. He's a really quality backup. I wish we would have had him last year. I think it would have made a little bit of a difference. Oh hell yeah. But he's quality. He's quality.

He's definitely a player. Thomas Brown wouldn't have got in if he was on the team. That's a thousand percent. He can shoot the shit out the basketball. He can shoot. He can play but more athletic. Yeah, I don't know about that, but he's definitely live through it, I like him.

I'm saying he's a huff dog. Hopefully he can stick around for another year when Tyrese get back, I think that'd be real dope to see him with that. That was a great pick up for y'all. Yeah, it is a good pick. It's not jumping off the radar, of course, but that for the Pacers.

He remind me of a player they already had in Goga. Bataze? Yeah, he a little bit better than Goga, but same type of vibe. I think Goga's offensive touch as far as passing the ball is a little bit better, but I like J-Huff. I like J-Huff a lot. Yeah, he can shoot it.

Yeah, I don't know what we're gonna do next year. I have no expectations, but why not? I ain't mad at it. Two second round picks, you ain't gonna do nothing but in no way. It's a fact. It's all auditions next year for us. Yeah, see who's gonna be around.

Should the Pacers have a bull shit year? Yeah, get another high pick. Yeah, should they? Yes. Am I? Yeah, I think they should go all the way tank. Like, you know, at some point, somebody gotta get the first round pick.

So everybody superstar got hurry. We know, to us, it's somewhat rigged, right? So, Boston lost JT. Milwaukee lost some Dane. Indiana Pacers lost Tyrese. The dropped off, the drop off for the Pacers is gonna be so much more drastic. But from going to the finals, losing your star player,

they drop off gonna be like, compared to everybody else. They still got Giannis, they still got Jalen Brown. Place this fuck around and get the number two pick. Listen bro, we lost Tyrese and we lost two starters in a matter of two weeks. Two people who meant a lot to our team. Oh, a thousand percent.

I'm all for letting the young boys, all the young players at the beginning of the year go crazy. Get y'all shit off, get y'all value high as we possibly can and figure out what star they want to pair with Tyrese and Pascal the next year and trade them niggas. So we jump ahead a lot on the pod. So if y'all was in that seat, in position to pick a player for next year,

what type of player would you go after? And if you got a name, say the name that you would pick up. For the Pacers? Yeah. They need a star. They need AJ DeBancer. They need the kid from Kansas. Darren Peterson would be perfect.

They need him. They need one of them. Boozer Twin. Boozer Twin is good. But. You sure you can get that? Not saying, no disrespect to him. I think he a good player.

Nah, hell nah. But he just not as dynamic as those other two. Like he can play. He a killer, but they need a wing scorer, and Edwards type. I can put butts in the seats. I'm excited to see him. Cause I thought they was getting that in Mathern,

but he still is an exciting player. But Rick just don't like him. So you need somebody who's the number one to pick where you gotta be forced to play him. Yep, and also money is in play for Ben this year too. It's time for him to get an extension. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just meant like, so y'all pick AJ, no question.

I mean, if we got no one pick, yes, AJ run it. If we can get two and get Derrick Peterson, pull up. I'm something. A sleeper pick for me would be Mike L. Brown. Only, I know y'all got Tyrese. On God, I'm something. know y'all got Tyrese. On God, I'm something. But y'all played point guards together.

And he cold. He cold. You know what I'm on? I've been watching him at AUSA. Bro, he is. And he's looking like the best player on the team. Bro, he start following him because Brody. Bro, he cold.

And he's like that. He's a, Jeff's a hater. Bro, he cold. And he, the first run to OTE, he said, nah, this nigga, he's the one. Take my Louisville Biosider, bro. Mikel Brown Jr. is one of those. I said it before he signed.

We will be blessed if we have him for more than one year because we will not be. It's gone. Y'all only gonna have one year with him. He about to go fucking dominate next year. It ain't even if he, like, he is an NBA player. Like, even if it don't show up in college and you watch it, the way he played basketball is NBA.

That's a, that's a 10 year starting point about right there is what I'm looking at. Yeah, he, he- You set that off the rip. Yeah, he can play. He's in his way he see the game, where he shoot, the stuff he work on is an NBA player. I don't know if it's going to translate to college. I don't know what he going to look like in college.

College is a completely different game than the NBA. Yeah. But when he makes it to the NBA, he's gonna be good as shit. If you had to drop him on the team though, what team would you drop him on? Hopefully the Patriots, you know, if he's available. But I'm saying what team would y'all drop him on?

Him? That could use, yeah. Phoenix. Him and D Booker B. Bro, he's nasty. Incredible, yeah. Phoenix. Him and D Booker B. Bro, he's incredible, bro. Like I can't speak highly enough on his name. Is he tall? He's like 6'4", 6'5".

Athleticism is there. Yeah, he is. When we saw him at that D-D's event, I said damn, bro, that's how he was this big. Handle can pass it. He's just one of my favorite players in that class. And I think this class coming up is the, I think this is the class.

Like everybody was high on this class or whatever. I thought it was just okay. Yeah. It was top heavy. That's really what it was. It was very hot top heavy. But it's some players in that class. 25, 26 class is some killers in that class for sure.

Can you go to the rankings of the 25, 26 class, whatever class this is. Yeah. 2025 class. Yeah. You like 2025 class. Yeah. You like the high school rankings. High school rankings. Yeah, it's some killers in the track.

It's A.J. DeBance obviously a kid from them. Dan Peterson is cold. Yeah, Dan Peterson's a dog. Yeah, he cold too. It's another one at Kansas. It's nice. Bryson Taylor good too. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Aiken Hoo too. Yeah, look at some of these names boy. They good too. They admit it's Carl Darius. Ikebjunius, Cole, Arto kids. I never heard of him. Oh, you'll see him in the draft, don't worry.

Yeah, he go to, he talking to Darius. Yeah. Yeah, he going to Arkansas. Yup. Cole P, nice. Come to, he talkin' to Derris. Yeah. Yeah, he goin' to Arkansas. Yup. Co-op, he nice. Come on, Breylin. Big Andy. Malik Thomas.

Is a fuckin' bucket. That is my favorite point guard this year. He goin' to Arkansas too, right? Yeah. That's, that's my boy right there. They got some killers in this class, bro. I think he's from New York. Shoucha Jalen Harrelson, Naptown.

Yeah, man. I like that Malik Thomas. It's top heavy too, but it's still gonna be some guys in college like Tahad Pettiford. Yeah. And some of them other dudes that came back for their sophomore season. Yeah, even Kaeyani might go crazy up there.

But it's a lot of guys that came back, cause you know that many people didn't enter the draft this year. So it's some guys that came back. I think it's going to be a really good draft, but I just think Mikel Brown. Man, I just think when I watch him play, bro, it just jump off the page.

Like that is an NBA player, bro. How you feel about seeing Jeremiah Fears? That's how I think both of us feel about seeing him. I think Malik Thomas might have a Jeremiah Fears year this year. There's just so many people at Arkansas. He is dynamic, if he starts. You got, you still got. Y'all said it's two more people.

You still got Carter Knox there. Yeah. You got Darius, Darius Aikov going there. And he's. He's him. Yeah. You still got. I do remember him. You got DJ Wagner still at Arkansas.

Oh, he might say. You know what I'm saying. You know Wagner playing. I thought Wagner, you all right? He stay home. Yeah, bro. And you got the other lefty. Damn, Wagner.

The freshman, that was a freshman at Arkansas last year that came off the bench and was playing with. So this might be a development year for my boy. He might go crazy. He's raw. I mean they had two people come off the bench, go top five the year before, so. He's.

Got a Calipari recipe. Nah, for sure, bro. He, Malik Thomas, bro, is a special kid. I seen him here at, I don't know what they call that shit. It was one of the EYBL stops last year. He went crazy, bro bro at the Pac Center. That's when I became a fan. And then I think, believe he played for OTE this year.

Yeah. There's some talent bro, cause I was even looking at that Louisville team. Shout out to Naptown and Ryan Convo going there. They got two other transfers, it's crazy. Louisville's gonna be nasty this year bro. Oh Louisville. If thing goes all well bro, we have a Final 14, bro.

Can we get tickets to that? Not saying, like free, but I'm saying, could we buy tickets or do? To a Louisville game? To a Louisville game, they already be going like UK shit? No, you can get some tickets. Yeah, we should go. They play here.

They play in the Indies this year. You know Louisville up the street, though. I would love to go see them hoop, though. I just, you know, UK shit. They probably can go to a practice. I called Coach Kelso, he just want to come to a practice. I'll board up. Please bro, please bro.

I want us to do that for sure. Nah man, child to them man. College basketball looking very promising again. Like you said, a lot of people saying NIL got people coming back. I think that's going to turn the game up. Yeah, college basketball is going to be fire this year bro. But shit, just talking to, you know what I'm saying, Commissioner Silver, he was just like, college basketball is gonna be fire this year, bro. But shit, just talking to North Central Commissioner Silver,

he was just like, well, it's a good idea that they should stay. That's saying something. They like, hey, you can go to the draft if you want to. I've seen a little bit of the summer league. I ain't even seen the real summer league yet, but I'm like, yeah, it's vicious. And especially everybody fighting for these rosset spots now with money being scarce in the NBA.

Yeah, boy, your brother make as much money in college as y'all can. Let y'all solidify our first round pick, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching a what's the name from Utah? Ace. Yeah. That's Bailey.

Hey, bro, it's a lot of niggas trying to get they work in in Utah. Bro, Bryce Sensorball was out there hooping like he don't play minutes in the league, bro. Hey, it's uh, right on be nasty. Damn niggas, it's the same drink. This motherfucker a little yower. This look like my drug test.

Nah. Probably ain't passing that one. It was some jokes. They was just like Utah Summer League, they real team. That's for real, bro. I was in college, I was like, squad. I said, bro, you play in the association, bro. Calm down.

Nah, but it seemed like, you know, and I know bro probably can speak from experience, of course, but that Utah team, it seemed like everybody out there is like, hey nigga, I'm trying to get paid. Fuck you. They all young. Like Isaiah Corey, he was in his first year.

Yeah. They all trying to show themselves too. Like, I don't give a fuck about no Ace baby. That's what I'm. He could not get comfortable yet. The other day I was watching him. That's how it's gonna be. They want a hoop too.

Yeah bro, they draft you here bro. Don't think you're about to come here and show these shots bro. I mean I don't put too much into Summer League. I put nothing into Summer League. Yeah, I don't put too much, but I'm like seeing him out there, I was like damn, he can't even really get comfortable

for real. I seen so many people kill Summer League and never get in a game in NBA. You talk about that all the time. No disrespect to Josh Selby. He's one of the best Summer League players I've ever seen. No, Jeff, he is the best. Bro, he used to murder Summer League.

Murder. He is the best nigga to ever put on a uniform in Summer League. He used to kill Summer League. That nigga look like Kyrie Irving in summer league. No cap, no cap. He used to kill bro. That's funny as hell you said that. He just never seen it pan out in the league.

I mean he probably didn't get the opportunity or whatever but he just didn't pan out in the league. But in summer league he looked like shit. Like what is he doing out here? But when he was in summer league did you think it was green? Like this shit was like. Terrible summer league.

Damn. I knew I was an NBA player though. Yeah. Like, cause the thing is summer league, everybody going for them. And in real life, you know, like, when you get to the league, you're not gonna be able to shoot that shot.

Right. You definitely wouldn't shoot that. Joe gonna be right there. I'm gonna be doing pick and pop with Al. Not gonna be this side. Oh, so you was already playing all this. Yeah, like. Okay. Ain't gonna be this there. I'm gonna be doing pick and pop with Al. Not gonna be this side. Yeah, like. Ain't gonna be this side nigga. You not gonna be able to just come down

and ice off somebody, no. That ain't real life. But then you got people out there who just play hard, naturally can get buckets and shit, and it just don't translate to the league because you ain't gonna have a ball like that. I wonder if it has been like some success stories like somebody that didn't get drafted.

Yeah, Austin Reese. Austin Reese? Murdered. He killed Summer League. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's how he got his chance. He was undrafted, went out there and got a spot. Granted, obviously he was drafted, but Donovan Mitchell,

Donovan Mitchell did in the Summer League, got him that Adidas contract and kind of set the tone. Yeah, I'm talking about somebody from like, like I said, Austin Reed's perspective. I didn't know how that go. Like how hard is it to like, okay, I kill in the Summer League, I might average 15 to 20, then I go to training camp, like-

It got to translate to when you get there. Like you trying to, obviously you trying to kill Summer League to get an invite to the camp. Right. What they call a veterans camp, real training camp. So you kill there, you get there, then you gotta find a role. I use Caruso as an example.

Like he came in, played defense, played his role, like oh, then we can use him as a defender. He can play hard, he can do this. Or, awesome Reeves case, like damn this nigga can really just hoop. He can shoot, he can score, he can do a little bit of everything. We like this kid.

And he just got a way different opportunity to most people. But most people gotta find this little role. It's either you're a good knockdown shooter, I'm a really good defender, a good rebounder, or whatever it is the team need, they looking for, and you just kind of fit that mode. But like you averaging 25, it's probably not gonna happen. Yeah, so you saying don't go into the training camp

trying to be the nigga you was and someone- No, that's not gonna be you. Obviously be aggressive, play your game, but you're going to have to find a role. Like you should ask the assistant coach, whoever it is, like man, what's, what's, what's is it? Like what do the team need? What do they expect from me?

They can be like, oh, we need you to play defense, go hard, run the lane. And they'll tell you what they need. And then you should try to go perfect that and then make corner threes. You know what I'm saying? You're going to have a job. Yeah.

Like. Cause I don't think a lot of kids get that game. Cause if you go into something like, man, this shit might be light, not an average of dub. Then you might get discouraged when you get to, you know what I mean, to the training camp and motherfuckers say, my nigga, I need you to hit that corner.

Yeah, bro. I need you to get out here and shuffle your feet, God damn it. Yeah, I know you averaged 20 in college, bro, but so did everybody else in the roster. Yeah, you gotta go play. What you gonna do now? You gotta go play a role.

That's the hardest adjustment. I'll give you an example. Jordan Crawford, who is our brother. We love him to death. Obviously, we knew he could score in bunches. He was a prolific scorer. He was a first round pick. But in Atlanta, he couldn't figure out

like why I'm not playing. You know what I mean? It's like, cause we got you already. Got Jamal Crawford. We got Joe Johnson. We got these dudes that score already in your position. If he would have played defense and locked up and whatever, he probably would have played before me.

Damn. You know what I mean? I'm being real cause he can shoot. See, you can't leave him in the corner, he gonna knock that bitch down. He said, add that to your game, then you was, yeah. But the difference was, I'll pick the ball up full court. I was a point guard.

I'm gonna pick up full court, I'm gonna make a pocket pass. I'm gonna kick it to Joe, I'm gonna get in the lane, kick it to Joe, he get in the lane. He'll score that bitch. He come off the pick, I'm gonna get in the lane, kick it to Joe, he getting in the lane. And he'll score that bitch. He coming off the pick, Al might be off of that pocket pass, three ball. He hit that bitch.

He ain't doing nothing wrong. He ain't doing nothing wrong, but that's not what we're here for. That's not the real we're looking for. That ain't the role we're looking for. So you knew as soon as you got to training camp that I'm a lock in. Cause I've been there.

My first, when I first got to training camp, I didn't lot of candy. Cause I been there, my first, when I first got the training camp, I didn't do summer league. So I had a mini camp and I'm averaging 44 points a game. I'm like, I can score better than everybody. I'm better than everybody. Then when I got there, I was still playing like that. I never got in the game. So you like, the fuck am I doing wrong?

And then Nick Van Exel pulled me to the side. I was like, he make $28 million a year. He make 14, he make 15, he make eight, he make eight. He make, you know, pointed out. He was like, you make one. I'm like, all right. I'm better than them niggas. He was like, do he want to play with you?

Boss, like, do Joe want you on his team? I'm like, I don't know. He was like, ask him. I'm like, Joe, you want me on your team? He's like, shit, I don't know what you on his team? I'm like, I don't know, he was like, ask him. I'm like, Joe, you want me on your team? He's like, shit, I don't know what you can do, young fella, man, I don't know. He was like, he don't want you on your team, dawg. I was like, yeah, he was like, he don't want you on the team.

You know, I was like, why? He was like, you ain't looking for him. He's like, that nigga wanna score. That nigga wanna make the All-Star team. You gotta learn how to find this nigga. And when he passes to you, make your shot. He gonna wanna play with you. I figured that shit out, get the ball to Joe. You gotta learn how to find this nigga. And when he passes to you, make your shot. He gonna wanna play with you.

I figured that shit out, get the ball to Joe. Look for Joe, running down full speed, find Joe. I started doing that Joe like, yo I feel it gonna be all right. Yo I feel it gonna be all right. You locking in. Yeah, yo I feel it gonna be all right. And then all of a sudden, I was doing that so much,

all of a sudden Josh like, all you do is pass the ball to Joe. I'm like okay, let me feed Josh a little bit, throw him a couple of pads, throw him a lob here and there. I was like, fuck scoring, I'm just gonna be the best passer. All of a sudden Josh like, he cool, you gonna be a hype man, nigga, you keep working on that shit, man, you gonna be,

you gonna be, yeah, I was like, okay, just get these niggas the ball, they like you. Cool. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and that was never Jordan's game. No. Yeah. I mean, that was never your game,

but you was more willing to adjust him. Yeah, Jordan, like I'm better than him. Me, I'm like, cause I had Nick then excellent in my ear. So I had to Nick, he just be like, man, you can get $8 million nigga. Fuck all that,, man, you can get eight million dollars, nigga. Fuck all that, average in 20, Nick. Get eight million dollars, nigga.

Fuck that. He was like, once you get the money, then you can say, fuck these niggas. Get the money first, you know what I mean? I'm like, yeah, let me just start passing this motherfucker. He's like, once they sign you, let's fuck them then. I like that. That's good that you was able to listen and adjust, though.

Quick savings. Cause I don't even know. But see then, like I say now, I feel like a lot of kids don't respect the old heads. We was still in that merge like, damn that's Nick Van Axel. For sure. Niggas look at Nick now like,

man I'll bust your ass. I was in all of quick. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I was scared to talk to him. For real? That's Nick Van Axel.. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I was scared to talk to him. For real? It's Nick Van Exel. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think kids now look at players like,

you know what I'm saying, at they same position that we, nigga, Nick Van Exel was a God to us, bro. That nigga Jay-Z said handle the rock like Van Exel. Nigga, come on. Nigga, you can't even get next to him. I'm like, I walk in, he like quick gonna work you out. I'm like, damn, that's a Nick Manx. And then the nigga's still cold, he out there.

Like man, get that burner right, you know what I mean? You gotta be able to, huh? I'm like, man, I like to shoot off the dribble. They like, well, you ain't gonna get no dribble shots in this motherfucker. That nigga name is Iso Joe. He was Iso Joe in Oh Nah. He like, he did the dribble, that's I saw Joe.

That's crazy. Damn. He adjusted a lot to the league too. He had to bro. But I'm saying Joe came in that motherfucker, like he was running the one in Phoenix, like the legit one. I never thought that Joe was the one.

Nah, Steve Nash was. No, but I'm saying though, I mean he was the backup one. Yeah, Joe was the backup fucking point guard in Phoenix. And to see him like, when I saw him in person, cause he always said like, Johnson bigger than what you think, but I'm like, hell nah, bro.

Bro, that nigga big as LeBron James, bro. And I'm like, damn, now he's like the star of the team. That's crazy as fuck, bro. Cause what was he like? Was he six, did he start on the team? Yeah, he started with him, but he only averaged like 15. Yeah. He shot like 40% from the three.

Quint Richard was there too, right? Yeah, Sean Marion. Sean Marion had a whip, bro. And for him to lead that team, I'm like, he never had like a James Harden effect almost. You know what I'm saying? Went to Atlanta and turned that bitch up. Yeah.

And the franchise. That shit was crazy, bro. Yeah, niggas said, that's Iso Joe. They had to know he was Iso Joe in the franchise. That shit was crazy, bro. That nigga said, that's I-so-jo. They had it on him, he was like I-so-jo out the gate. Man, shout out to Nick Van Exman. Shout out to his pops, he got the pot. Right now, y'all need to tap in, bro. Shout out to my dog, Quick.

That number nine, like your jersey, bro. Legendary. That's crazy, man, because you talk about people not even listening to people like that, even in his situation now, like bro ain, ain't no O-Head, but it's a lot of people who have conversations with him and still not really take the game away from that. I'm tapping in with these kids.

I like to stay around, like, just to pick their brains with shit, bro. And I'm not gonna say they don't have no respect. They just genuinely don't give a fuck about what a nigga did in the past. They don't. They do not care. If you was a McDonald's All American,

all this shit that they trying to reach, they automatically thinking like, right now I'll bust your ass. Yeah, bro, you're not Roderick Hill. But that's who get praised. Out. Well, he was working, bro. This is what's up.

And shout out, I don't know, his Romelo. But Romelo is a guy, bro. A guy, bro. Shout out to Lil Romelo. But he's not like one of the best basketball players. That's why I'm like, fame takes over like work ethic for real. He like this big, but he can jump out the gym.

But I'm like, damn, he's not even one of the best players in here. And he getting more love than all these niggas, bro. That's when I knew times had really changed though, for real. Even a little recent, his homeboys, I'll tell them about something like that, be like, he play at OTE?

And they'll be like, no, that didn't really matter. Like, oh, okay. Like he weak. I'm like, damn, bro. Like, it's a lot of good people out here, bro. Yeah, that's a fact. That shit is scary. It's like being coached in high school, bro.

Like, I had to literally play, put on a respect, what I'm saying. Like, to like, I have to go out there and be like, kill them. And they'd be like, I'm like, they'd be like, you stronger than me, you faster than me, you this. I'm like, duh, nigga, I'm better than you.

I was like, I was like to make it worse. Like when I was your age, I was stronger and faster back then. Like I was like, I don't do none of that shit no more. I don't even hoop. But they don't have, they don't understand. They'd be like, I don't do none of that shit no more. I don't even hoop. But they don't understand. They'd be like, you not that, you ain't that. When the league, you only average 16.

You'd be like, okay. You might not make it to the league. And then you can't say that, cause it's like. Cause you don't wanna kill them. Yeah, only average a 16 league. You know what, 16 points in the bed will get you my boy. I think that's what bothers me the most

is just that they genuinely don't understand. That pisses me off the most, because they have the talent. It ain't just the work ethic, bro. They live in such a different world that the NBA people are so accessible. You can go on Instagram, you can go wherever, and you can always see your favorite NBA player.

You can go to a Peach Jam, AAU tournament, and one of your favorite NBA players team is there, he there, he talking to you, he joking with you, he accessible. It don't feel like a unrealistic thing anymore. So when they talk to you now, it ain't really unrealistic. It's like, man, I know, I know, I know him, I know man. I've seen Ant, me and Ant was talking the other day,

Ant, average 28, bro, you average 16, you not. Like, you be like, bruh, do you know how far removed you are from Anthony Edwards? No, facts, facts. Yeah, bro. And you right, bro, I guess that's what it is. And respectfully, how far away you removed from me,

let alone A.E. Damn, okay, I be saying how they talk, removed from me, let alone AE. Okay, I be saying how they talk. And I think I fuck with it because I love to see kids with high confidence. But I still be wanting them to understand like, come on man, bring it back to real life with this shit, at least a little bit. Being from here, it's like we made the NBA look too easy. Being from Indianapolis.

Yep. Cause you were- So many of y'all. You were so random that you would just see somebody pop up to the league. Like shout out to the young boy from South Bend. They got drafted. Small, small, yeah.

It just seemed easy. It just seemed like, all right, if I go to college on average 18, I'm gonna get drafted. Yeah. That's how I feel. They think no matter where you go. Yeah, that's how I feel. You ever said matter where you go. Yeah, that's how I feel. You ever said.

Yeah, like it don't seem real. Like, oh yeah, oh boy, like you see Kyle Guy. They like, yeah Kyle Guy went to the league. I'm like, it ain't that easy, bro. Like man, I gave Kyle Guy buckets before. You like. Heard a motherfucker speak on Yogi like that. I was like.

Yeah, you know what I mean? But it's so many players from around here who made it. So it make it seem like that. I was like, yeah, you know what I mean? But it's so many players around here who made it. So it make it seem like it's damn near like, all you gotta do is be damn near, all right, you gonna make the league, bro. That's how they feel. That's crazy, man. But like you said, it is different.

Accessibility is something totally different at this age. Cause I mean, even we look up to our old heads too, we probably didn't give a fuck as much as they did, but we just probably had a lesser accessibility rate to everybody else. So it still meant something when you seen it. Now I ain't gonna lie. When I seen a person that made it to the league,

it wasn't about to make it to the league. Like the thing made me respect them, I just look at their car. For real? Yeah, like off the Ripper, like Chris Thomas had a champagne Range Rover. He ain't make it to the league, but he was making a million, whatever he was overseas.

And automatically I'm like, damn. You know what I mean? Yeah. These niggas got Range Rovers in college now. It's like, what? That's what I'm about to say. Now the difference is they in IL, they get 16, 17, they might be up a hundred bands.

They like, what? I got a meal to go to Kentucky. What are you talking about? You know what I mean? Nah, that's definitely the difference. Because when I used to see, oh, NBA, I'm like, damn, bro. That's really, even a nigga like, no disrespect, like Derek McKee, I'm like, damn, bro,

you really like available for me to talk to. I swear to God. Bro was mid as hell. Like, you know what I'm saying? But I'm saying he wasn't like Jordan then. But I'm like, I still respected you, cuz nigga, you literally made it. You come from nothing, bro.

Like, that shit is a thing. Kids are so spoiled now. They like, man, this nigga was weak. Hey, I don't have to go to UB a week. Nacho, fuck your journey. Nigga, what you average? What you average? You weak as hell.

Made to the league, you was trash. Niggas seen Dale Davidson expo was geek, bro. They were violating him. I met Travis Best nigga at the black expo. Shout out to fucking Em Perris nigga. Used to have the All-Star game. I met Travis Best, Andrew and James, nigga Reggie Wayne nigga, and my life was made, bro.

These kids are walking past these niggas bro. Like move around. I met Derrick Anderson nigga at a tournament in Kentucky bro. He had a fano with his name on DA. All that shit came out some Jordan. He had some Jordan tools bro, PEs. Bro I thought. Nah for real.

I was staring everywhere he walked like, thereEs. Bro, I thought. Nah, for real. I was staring everywhere you walked, like, there he go, there he go. Man, nigga, see there, like we seen DA now. We still hype. Y'all know that changed my life. We still hype. I talked to DA nigga, Orlando, I was like, nah bro, you don't even understand.

Nigga, that number one, like Penny is number one, for sure, forever. But you helped with that number one, that number one, like, Penny is number one, for sure, forever. But you helped with that number one, that big guard type shit, like, niggas just tapped in, bro. Yeah, they don't have that same nostalgia. Like, maybe the little kids, like, Reece and some of the OTE players,

he might get that feeling, cause they so much more, it was like a 10 year gap. You think social media would have ruined you if we had it in eighth grade? Nah, cause I still was just a basketball head. I knew how like impossible that shit was. I was realistic, like, nigga, the NBA, bro, like it just didn't even feel like a real thing.

Like the NBA don't feel real, bro. You don't think nobody can make it to the NBA. You know what I mean? Especially like, even like in your situation, bro, you was a first round pick, the team's rocking with you, you made your way, but like, even just hearing the stuff that you had to go through, I'm like, that's shit crazy. I can imagine for people who don't get drafted,

for people who second round picks, like you gotta go through place to place to place to make a team, that shit do sound impossible. And me being short, man, the first NBA player I seen was Bonzi Wells. When you see Bonzi Wells, he's 6'5", 6'6", you like, man, hell nah, he ain't making it to no damn NBA. Look at how tall this nigga is.

And B made it from Ball State. Nigga jumping high, 3'16", man, I ain't making it to no NBA. Boy, that shit, that shit, that shit over with, boy. I honestly think it would've probably kind of ruined some of us though. Cause you gotta think, bro, OJ and them was lit. And fucking-

Without it. Without it, bro. If OJ Mayo would've had Instagram, bro. If Derrick Rose would have. Nigga, OJ Mayo was a fucking superstar nigga in the seventh grade. He would have been. He would have been Mikey Williams.

Come on, bro. Bro, it even happened though. It's just real shit. Niggas lived in raps for real, for real. Like, I was like, damn, like, thank God that y'all niggas, that shit skipped over y'all. Yeah, it would have been Mikey Williams. All them niggas came,. Derrick Rose, Journey,

cause I'm like, I even thought it was Spoo cause I'm like, look how we praise Sebastian shit. Nigga, we think that's the greatest basketball documentary ever made. Cause it is one of the best ones ever. But I'm just saying though, bro, and that was, niggas had to document that nigga with a camcorder.

Social media, bro. He's been up through there, bro. OJ may have been the most famous. Ever, nigga. Kid ever, bro. Prodigy. Six, five, seventh grade, bro. Playing varsity high school, nigga. Bro, what about Brian, though?

I was gonna say, imagine the Hummers scandal with Instagram. Bro, it would have been crazy. Nah, but I honestly think Brian would have been more taken care of. Sonny Baccar would have known, all them niggas would have got behind Brian. They would have did that with OJ too, though. They would have, bro, but I'm saying would have been more taken care of. Sonny Baccar would have known all them niggas would have got behind Brian. They would have did that with OJ too though.

They would have bro, but I'm saying OJ was more of a, OJ was outside. Yeah, OJ got fights and shit. Yeah. Kicked out of school and shit. It's different. Him and Bill Walker, they would have by the way. Yeah, Brian, Brian, my nigga Kenan Ellis was playing,

bro, them stories in Cincinnati that the nigga telling, bro, is ill, bro. That shit couldn't even be publicized today. I think Brown had like massive security though. Brown was fucking with Jay. Yeah, he would've been too famous. Yeah, that's probably been different. But we talking about-

O.J. would've been the same way though. They would've been like- Big son? Yeah, they would've had, people would've had to go get him. 1000%. Yeah, he wouldn't have been out there. Who else was big in that back then that had that light? Derrick Rose, Renardo Sidney. Come on, man.

Shout out to Renardo. Social media would have saved him. I feel that. It would have saved him. Cause he would have been so famous that somebody would have had the light. They had to tune his ass up quick. They would have had to come protect him. I gotta put you some words to make sure you get there. Yeah. Cause he would have been so famous that somebody would have had to like. They had to tune his ass up quick. Yeah, they would have had to come protect him. I gotta put you some words to make sure you get there.

Yeah. Yeah. Cause him crashing out at, where was he at, Mississippi State? Mississippi State. Come on, him D Boss, they had a whip, man. That was my squiddy for a second, man. I rocked with Mississippi State.

We just saw. We just saw him in Oakland, man. Yeah. My nigga was on security, stand by. Yeah, still shutting shit down. That ain't gonna change. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him.

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I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him. I'm proudD camp, I remember that. You was one of them ones. I don't know, did Derrick character go to college? He went to Louisville. He went to Louisville? Did he? He did, he committed to Louisville, absolutely, he did.

He sure did. Played for Rick? For Rick. Yep, Derrick character, damn. It was a lot of niggas though. That's why, but I tell people all the time, I'm like, yeah, people starting to see Jeff now, but that nigga had a fight against so many niggas.

Bro, you legit have the best fucking high school class ever, bro. It's not even close, bro. It ain't. It's not even close. I'm like, this nigga was nigga 50. And you talked about, and that was in the last year. Yeah, on his last leg.

And what's so crazy is the city, that was like the perfect time for basketball in the city. Like that's why I say even your journey, bro you had to fight a lot. You had to fight across the street before you even left the city. Yeah, that nigga journey definitely different. DJ still in the league.

No, but I'm saying though, I still stand. The 07 class is the best high school class ever. Irish in them class, I get it. But so far it's like high school, high school, nah bro. Nah, it was so many people. Cause Blake in your shit ain't it? Yeah bro. James R, Blake.

Cause I think Russ at mine. Yeah, Russ at year before me. Yeah, Russ06. Yeah, Russ06. But. OJ Bill and them, them niggas was polarized bro. Kevin Love. J.J. Hicks and Kevin Love. J.J. Hicks and Kevin Love.

J.J. Hicks was one of them ones. Pre-JJ. Andre Jordan, Cole Aldridge, there's so many people made to the league. Cole Aldridge, boy. Where Cole Aldridge go? Kansas? Kansas. He got a chip.

Slow foot. Yeah, I think so. Slow foot. Kyle Singler. Cole Aldridge won with Mario? I think so, yeah. He had to. He was a freshman.

He was a freshman. He was a freshman like me. Yeah, Kyle Singer, I know he going through whatever. He going through prayers up for him. But boy, Kyle Singer, I was at that national championship where he gave us all midi work. E-twins. Robbie.

Yeah, I got to get out of city. All the quadruple that made it. Scott Martin, all them. Man, I made it to the league, but still. It was different times, bro. Man, Evan Turner. ET, my dog. Evan Turner.

He was playing ET every fucking weekend. We had so many. Was Evan Turner McDonald's All-American? Yo, I think so. Yo, he was McDonald's. Shout out to ET. Hey, y'all clip of yo baseline cross on ET was going viral this week.

He was just like, hey man, somebody had an inadvertent whistle after the play stopped. He said somebody had a cry, had a whistle, man. That was bullshitting. We gotta run it back with ET. Who else was in that class, man? Pull up that 2007 class, please, Mike.

Johnny Flynn. Johnny Flynn, Syracuse legend. Johnny Flynn, we love you, boy. He was a killer. Definitely was a killer. Kevin Love. Yeah, K-Love, one of the most. What happened to his leg or his hip or something?

Mike Beasley was in that class. Beasley was in your class. Derrick Rose. Come on, man. Nolan Smith. Bigfoot Nolan! Nolan wore a 16 and he was seven. Young God.

Shout out to Nolan, nigga, Duke Legend. Jay Lucas. Shout out to Jay Lucas. Nigga, James Harden is in your fucking class. You know? James Harden was at- James Johnson in that class. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Damn, James Harden, no beard was raw. Come on, man. Who else? John Deaver, my dog. See you in a couple hours, no beard was raw. Come on man. Who else? John Deaver, my dog. See you in a couple hours brother. Ohio State. Come on bro, one of the best burners ever. Bro still coach or something?

Yeah, he is brother. Yeah bro. Yeah. Yeah, Jeff Class the best. I thought my class was fine. Dmitriy McKinney, what's happening? Dmitriy McKinney. I can't see that far.

Dmitriy McKinney. Who was the first 12? Probably the best big guard I've seen at that age. Georgetown. Pat Patterson. Pat Patterson was called UK. Nick Oladis. Nick Oladis, he one of the best guards in Europe,

played in the league too. Cory Fisher was in the league. Kostakoufis, he played in the league too. Kostakoufis went to, who can't, don't worry. He went to Ohio State. Yeah, we were gonna say Ohio State. Seven foot right? Yeah, with the burner.

Yeah man, that was seven class. That's a lot of league in there. Taylor Key. My. Taylor King. My boy Taylor King. Oh my mama. Greatest left hand three point shooter I've ever seen. Southern Cal All-Star. I seen Taylor King nigga drop 30 nigga in the first half.

He used to play with Brandon Jinderson. He was the number one player when we was in like 7th grade. Bro, Taylor King, 6th, 7th grade. I believe Taylor probably went to Duke or some shit. He went to Duke at first. Bro, in high school, that left hand burner, bro, from the top of the key, automatic. When we was in 7th grade, he was nice.

8th grade, nice. That's when we got a little older. You like, ah, try that nigga. That nigga just shot from half court, that's all he did. Yeah, bro, pill. Dumb pill. Yeah, he was dead. He was a white did. Yeah bro, P.I.L.E. My type of player. Dumb P.I.L.E. He was a white nigga.

Yeah, he couldn't do shit else. All he could do was shoot. Oh, unorthodox ass, just burner, clip. Couldn't dribble. Nothing bro. Couldn't do shit else, he just shot far as hell. That's why I have specialists bro, do your job. He definitely a specialist.

Taylor, that's a crazy day. That nigga went to Duke and was ass, no disrespect. Got quiet. Y'all, it was, it was, ooh, we seen him. Like, yes, he's subbin' in. We bout to really win. Oh, you been at him? As far as drive classes go, y'all are number two.

Only second in 2011 with the most draft NBA players. Man, y'all. Damn. Nah, yo. Damn. Nah, 100%. 2011 and 2007. He fuck around my head of most all-stars selections. I don't know how to start telling you. I'm not trying to have you work.

I'm just telling you like that shit, bro. It's a lot of people in his shit, bro. OJ. Especially Hall of Famers. Nigga, Eric Gordon came into the league averaging the dub with the Clippers, bro. We got an MVP. Couple.

Derrick Rose and James Harden. Yeah. I found those 96, 1996. Got the most all-stars. Yeah, they. Oh. That's 96 is the best, right? Or that's that high school class.

That's that draft. That's the draft class. Yeah, that's Sharif and Ivo now. Yeah, nicest draft class is the best. We talking about pure high school though. Jeffer them gotta be number one, bro. 07 high school class. Nigga, Blake Griffin.

Everybody we named. Dibba Dibba. Everybody you named was like a leader. Niggas came, nigga. OJ came to the league average of 18 with Rudy Gay, bro, on his team, bro. And Rudy used to put them bitches up. Shout out to Memphis, I remember.

Yes, bro. It's a good ass class, man. For sure, man. Before we get out of here, I wanna ask y'all this question. I've been seeing a lot of back and forth talk about the ones and stuff. I seen now the new battle possibly might be Swaggy P-Verse Bees.

Nah, man. Nah. I don't wanna leave that alone. You leave that alone? I don't wanna leave that alone, Bees. I own some real shit Be's fighting for something different. Y'all niggas enjoying life and keep enjoying life. Cause y'all put the M up.

I heard them say when they was on Ice Cube Pod or whatever they call it. Yeah bro, B's is quiet. Yeah, he got me. He gonna pick on you bro. I'd like to see him play Joe though. Yeah, cause last week Joe was fucking them niggas up. I was gonna say, I watched that big three game.

He gave me a lens, whatever they needed. Bro, Joe Johnson is 44, bro. Why y'all still playing with me, bro? Joe different, bro. Why y'all still playing with me, bro? First of all, man, we gotta talk about your career, man. You went crazy in Markhead, man. But how'd you get there, man?

Going crazy in Tennessee, what was that like hooping down there in Memphis, man? Man, growing up, Memphis had some good basketball, some good players that some went into the league, some was very good college players. Growing up in Memphis, it was fun just being on the floor, being there.

I knew I definitely wanted to get away with my college decision. It was actually crazy because my high school coach was old teammates with a coach who was on staff at Marquette. And he basically ended up hitting them up. And then we went out there for a team camp. They recruited me for like a year, man. It took them a year to offer me.

Now I pretty much committed a week later. I knew that's where I wanted to go. Okay. I heard you played center at one point, bro. Yeah, I played center my senior year in high school. I was the tallest player on the floor for real. We had a bigger football player, but he was a football player.

He wasn't really, you know. Yeah, they don't everybody football. I'm an everybody basketball team. He couldn't hoop for real though. He wasn't, hoop won his main sport. He was a, he had Clemson for football right now, so. Oh yeah, he all right. Yeah, he doing his thing.

Yeah, he cool. Yeah, he has a lot of football. Yeah, he is. Get in here and foul my boy. Yeah, I definitely played the five, man. Did big man drills every day and practice at the skills balls. But it's crazy how that translated,

because I shot hella jump hooks this past year, like jump hook and spin jump hooks. And you know, it's kind of just automatic just from all the work I put in that year. So did you play one and five in high school, or did your coach let you, you know, be versatile, or? Yeah, a little bit. We had a younger point guard that was pretty good.

So he had the ball most of the time. Okay, okay. That's crazy, he went from center to actually being a point guard. Now about to be a point guard in the NBA. Ain't no way in hell Coach could have told me to play center. No, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm trying to figure out how you was finessing that, bro. It's your game.

I ain't gonna lie, bro. I was getting double like in the post, catching a post catch, instant double. Like, got to make it work. Nah, I ain't gonna lie, bro. I was getting double like in the post, catching the post catch, instant double, like. Got to make it work. I ain't gonna lie, bro. I swear to God, you're my new favorite player, bro. I didn't know that, bro. For you to play center and make it to the NBA as a PG, bro,

that's a hell of a journey, bro. I thought he was just jumping center and bringing the ball up. Yeah, you know what I mean? I'm like, right, you might get the post because you bigger than everybody. I got a smaller guard, but that's for you to be a straight center thinking,

we got this guard, we don't need you bringing the ball. Yeah, I need to bring it. I brought it, I ain't bringing it up that much. Sometimes I get a rebound and take it, but yeah, we coaches be like four round cam. We try and feed it. Wow. That's crazy, I didn't expect that.

Wait, you got recruited, what about AAU? Yeah, okay,. No, it's not. Wait, you got recruited. What about AAU? Yeah, okay, we're different, AAU. Oh, bro, you gotta, look, I'm sorry. I wanna get ahead, but you gotta explain that. No, AAU is different. I played like the one, two AAU. Oh, okay.

Okay. Cause I'm trying to figure out how the fuck you got recruited. No, I'm just kidding. One day, I was like, yeah, we need your six-four center. I was like, yeah, I was like no wonder it took them a year they ain't see something. They was playing center, I don't know.

Oh damn. It was fun though, it was definitely fun. Yeah. And I respect your mindset bro, cause you really liked it for you to be like, I'm going to Marquette bro, but you got another point guard feeding you the ball. I would have had a problem.

Yeah, I would have been like, he got to come off the bench coach. I gotta play the five, I'm not, I would have had a problem. Yeah, I would have been like, he got to come off the bench coach. I gotta play the five, I'm not, I'm playing the one, bro. You gotta do it. I've never heard that in my life, bro. When he had sat down, I've known Hella Bass, before you destroyed, played center in high school

and we're the one that had you, you different, bro. Appreciate that. But for real, that probably helped you though a lot, cause you probably became a good rebounder. Oh, definitely. Yeah, you know what I mean? You can see the floor, you can play multiple positions, you probably know one through five, obviously, but that probably helps rebounder. Most definitely. Yeah, you know what I mean? You can see the floor, you can play multiple positions. You probably know one through five, obviously.

But that probably helps your game expand, definitely. Yeah, for sure. Especially in the paint, like scoring in the paint, finishing, yeah, most definitely. Markel was the main people on you or did you have any other looks? I had some good mid-majors. Okay.

Yeah, I kinda, I knew I wanted to go high major and I knew it was possible for me. So once Markelle offered, I was like, yeah, this is pretty much where I wanna go. Memphis didn't offer? No. Was Penny there then? Yeah, he had to be.

It's all right, bro. I ain't trippin'. It happens, bro. It happens. Is there a rumor, is this rumor any true that Wake Forest was interested in you? I think Wake Forest might've shown interest. They didn't, they weren't recruiting me for real.

Okay. Yeah, don't worry about it. We make mistakes all the time. Did they give you the ball right away or you had to come in and you know what I mean? Marquette, man. Coach Smart was, he really let us play. So like he kind of seen what I could do.

Yeah, here you go, man. But once he seen what I could do a little bit, you know, he would pull me to the side as a freshman. Yo, when you get the ball, go score, go be aggressive. He be talking shit. Like, go score on his ass Cam, score on him. Yeah, it's funny. Now that's a player's dream.

Most definitely, he's definitely a player's coach. He say that in the games. I had a ball on a dude, he fries ass, fries ass. Like, just go. That's him. Yeah, for sure. Oh, that's how I coach just go. That's him. Yeah, for sure. Oh, that's him for sure. For sure.

Kill him. I'm like, kill her. Kill her. She don't wanna go. Yeah, that is good. Hey, that used to be the team, team catchphrase before it fits like, kill her. Kill her, bro.

Kill her. That's dope, because a lot of people, what they say, well, a lot of people that I didn't met through this shit, they was like, when they get to school, it'd be different than actual recruitment. It's like, hurt, bro. I'm a little hurt, that's dope. Cause a lot of people, what they say, well a lot of people that I didn't met through this shit, they was like, when they get to school, it'd be different than actual recruitment. It's like, damn bro, this ain't how you came to my house and told me how shit was gonna be.

So for you to have that instant love, that's far. Damn, one of my kids getting recruited by Marquette. I might have to tell him the truth now. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's funny. Obviously, man, you went to Marquette for a hoop move. You know what I'm saying, boxing. Was that your first love too? Nah, that wasn funny. Obviously, man, you went to Market for Hoop, but you know what I'm saying, boxing. Was that your first love too?

No, that wasn't my first love. I pretty much picked up love for being around my dad. He liked to watch a lot of fights, a lot of big time fights. He grew up a huge Mayweather fan, watched a lot of his May Per Views, yeah, for sure. I pretty much, when I got to Milwaukee, was able to find a good coach, Coach Angel up there, good facility up there.

I was just training up there for years. Who you fight your fighter? Man, Errol Spence. Oh, God damn. Yeah, his last fight was rough. Man, he got the shit beat out of him. Shout out to him, Bud went crazy though. Bud did go crazy.

Yeah, I rock with Spence though. It's some good up and coming young fighters too. Like who you like? I'm in the box. I like Motin. Okay. I like Abdullah Mason. He's probably-

He nice though. Yeah, for sure. I just hope, nevermind, he nice. What you hope? I just hope it continue. And I hope he have some good, I hope he fights some good fighters. You know how it go like,

no shade to Tank Davis and them, but they don't really fight the best fighters all the time. I feel what you're saying. Like Shakur, he fought some fighters, but he don't really fight the best fighters all the time. I feel what you're saying. Like Shakur, he fought some fighters, but he ain't fought nobody that really nice. Yeah, he waiting on that big time fight. At least it seems like it. It seems like it, yeah.

I like boots too, man. Boots is nice. Boots is nasty. Oh yeah, one of them. You're nice in the ring? I'm silent. I just fought a few times. Nobody ever knocks you out. Nah, I ain't never knocked down yet.

Okay. Okay. You a big nigga, bro. Yeah, I know, yeah. In fact, my boy Evan Turner boxing now. We got it. Oh, he's from me? Yeah, he teachin' me the footage, man.

Oh, wow. He's a repeat, man. I didn't know that. He's like, hey, he told me to set up a celebrity match for him and Lance. Ooh. Him and Lance? That's some good ones right there. I was like, I'll ask. Them celebrity matches make him and Lance. Oh, him and Lance? That's some good ones right there.

I was like, I'll ask. Them celebrity matches make money, bro. For real, for real. Nah, straight up. They did a real boxing right now, boys. Just tapped in with that. Man, that Tarzan white fighter had me weak, bro. You too, I was in that fight, bro.

You too, I was in that fight, bro. The way he jabbed him, bro. Yo, that's funny, bro. I didn't know we was gonna talk about Ryan, bro. Hey, man. The way he jabbed him, bro. Yo, that's fine, bro. I didn't know we was going to talk about that, but that was a classic fight. That was the stiffest jab I've ever seen, Ryan. Bro, I was, we did the ring walk, walked in, saw him, kept going.

He might have to be a reoccurred guest. He act like us, bro. He might just have to come get us niggas on the season. All right, man. I would gladly do that. Yeah, for sure. For us, man. Might just have to come get him other days of the season. I'd gladly do that. For sure, for sure. Obviously you had a great career with Marquette, man. But like you said, fresh from here, you got acclimated.

What was that time where you felt like, all right, I'm ready, this my team? Man, right when that, it took me a while to get over that Sweet 16 lost my junior year. And man, I'm still getting over how we went out senior year. But yeah, once I got over it, pretty much, Coach pulled me into his office and was like,

yo, Cam, I'm not gonna go on the portal and fish for no point guard. Cause I think there's something you can do for us at this level for this team. So man, I put in a hell of a work over the summer, working on my game, watching individual film with teammates, getting our two man game right.

Learning how, learning more about them as people, learning more about what they like, what they like to do on the floor. And we was able to just, you know, go out there and do our thing. It was a lot of fun for sure. Well, it was definitely big easy, definitely not an easy conference to play.

It was one of your favorite games. One of your hot, your favorite moments in college, you know what I'm saying? Obviously you went crazy. Oh, just in college in general? Mm-hmm. Probably getting the triple double against Purdue. Because Purdue, we owed them.

They had beat us my sophomore year. We pretty much had them. We played them here. Gave that game away. Then we lost to them in the Maui Classic Championship. That was painful, very painful. It's a story behind that. But yeah, so we played in my senior year

and we was like, bro, y'all not beating us, bro. So that was pretty much our mindset. For y'all to be the same car for the, for y'all to play them three times. It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, we turned it into a home at home after the Maui game.

So my senior year and they gonna play them here this year coming up. Okay, okay. I watched y'all play, we got a kid named Ryan. Damn, what was Ryan's last name? Conwell. Conwell, I don't know if you can get that nigga name. Yeah, Ryan Conwell, he a Pike kid.

Yeah, but I seen y'all have a little duel in the garden. Real duel. Yeah, y'all both was going crazy. I hate our opponents, honestly. Damn. I ain't gonna lie, he was frontin' that game. He was goin' crazy. He had 38.

Yeah, y'all both was goin' at it. What you had there? Like 26, if you assist. Yeah, they had a duel. I was like, damn. That's what, I had seen you play before that, but I was watchin' Ryan, I ain't gonna lie, I was watchin' Ryan, cause he little bro, and I was just like, I ain't gonna lie, I was watching Ryan, because he little broke,

and I was just like, damn, damn, how they going at it? Bro, he was not missing, bro. Then there are all threes. Facts. They was having a moment. That was one of your toughest matchups right there? This past season, yeah. I liked Luis, or Louis from St. John's, he was all right.

Yeah. Yeah, man, we, the Big East, like you said, Big East is a tough conference. It's always tough every year, like, even, like, Seton Hall only win in the conference was against UConn. It was really like no game you could just pull up and just BS your way through.

Yeah. I be mad as hell. From UConn, they get out and win one game, it's against us. Yeah, in fact, they, man, that ain't the first time they lost to Seton Hall, honestly. Yeah, it Yeah, in fact, they, man, that ain't the first time they lost to C. Nar, honestly. Yeah, it get tricky in the big East. Bad to bad champs, for sure.

Could you play for a coach like that? Coach Hurley? Yeah. Keep it real. Yeah, I feel like he loves his players. I mean, he just a little, he got a little screw loose. All coaches have got to have a little screw loose. Especially in college, bro, yeah.

He different. Yeah, obviously I'm not too fond of him, especially in college, bro. He different. Yeah, obviously I'm not too fond of him, but I'm rocking with Coach Smart. No, yeah, yeah, I was just saying like that style. Yeah, sure, yeah, for sure. Yeah, he be on one. Yeah, I'm trying to get him to start acting like that. That's why I'm here.

Nah, you ain't gonna do that, you ain't got that? I'm too cool, bro. I'll cut you out, bro. I'll say, I'll make a joke afterwards. It's like, boy, you sad as hell. All right, boy. I love you. Yeah, love you, boy.

You're a little ugly. Ugly, you little ugly ass. That's the clip, Bill was like, he was like, yo, your stats, don't worry about your stats, because they suck, quite frankly. Yeah, that's me. Don't be an idiot. That's me.

Hey, boy, y'all all trash. That's what I've been telling them. Hey, none of y'all going to the NBA tomorrow, bro. They be like, what? I be like, y'all, they sophomores. Duh. Right, that don't even make sense. No, no, I was like, none of y'all going to the league

tomorrow. They be like, dude, I'm going to class, nigga. You stupid. You can't. Yeah. Shout out to them boys, man. For sure. For sure.

All right, man, before we leave off Marquette, man, talk about that NIL, man. What was that like, that first moment? NIL was boys, man. For sure. For sure, all right, man. Before we leave off Marquette, man, talk about that NIL, man. What was that like, that first moment? NIL was crazy, bro. Yeah. Yeah. That's the first time we got some real love about the NIL.

Yeah, NIL was crazy. Uh-oh, man, you got his ass. You got his ass. You got his ass. Yeah, NIL was good, man. It was ran real well at Marquette. Had a very good collective, very good people in that job, in that profession.

NIL people to help put your name out there, get you brand deals or whatever. It was love, man, for sure. Nah, that's fire. When I seen my boy doing the Crush commercial, I said, okay, they tapped in now. Yeah, for sure. That was love.

That Crush commercial was love. It was bad. They chose the rough time my cut was ass, but. Hey, let you get prepared. Nah, yeah. As long time my cut was ass, but. They ain't let you get prepared. Nah, yeah. As long as you got it done, man. Yeah, for sure, it was all good. Let me ask you this,

cause Marquette brand Jordan, right? Yeah. What's that like? Did y'all get PEs? Did y'all get special PEs? We got PEs every year. Man. What y'all get?

We got some sixes, some ones, some low ones, some fours, and like some. Oh, them fours crazy. Like some 30, like some 38s or something. Mm, yeah the fours. Yeah the fours. I got to see the fours. What color are the fours?

The fours are the ones. I could pull them up. They like, they got all Marcher colors on them. Yeah, he gonna pull them up real quick. I hope it ain't the fours I'm thinking about. Yeah, I think it is. The peas, they got all these fours. Yeah, I hope it ain't the fours I'm thinking about. Yeah, I think it is. The P's, they got all these fours. I hope it ain't the fours I'm thinking of.

The blue ones. Yeah, I think it's the yellow, the M on the sway joints. Yeah. I ain't seen them. I think it. Them right there? Yeah, I think it is. Oh, you got them?

Oh, them crazy. Hold on, I don't know. I don't know if this is them. You might not got them. Yeah, you might get them. You might get them. You don't know if you got them. Nah, them th get them. You might get them. You might get them. You don't know them. You don't know them. You don't know them.

You got them. Them threes. Them threes. So I ain't seen them fours in a long ass time. I'm about to say. You gotta tap in, man. You got them. You're the equipment manager, Marquette.

Take care of my boy if I didn't, man. Them is fire. Damn. And that's who. Yeah. Tap in. For sure. Now that's a fire part going to a jewelry store.

That'd be lazy. Yeah, that's right there. Ooh, I did not see them. Oh yeah, for sure. Oh, they're freaky. Them the yellow ones. Let's see. Yeah, there we go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Damn, Lil Lil Lemon. All right, yeah, they look different right there. Yeah, them cups. They're hard. You know how nasty you gotta be to wear a rare P with some Lil Lemon. That is not a fucking.

That's OD, man. That's OD., that's OD. Nah, nothing, nothing. Them are right there right there. Yeah I'm right with them. Them fours you talking about, I think a few, like a while ago they got them. Ah yeah them, them are kept.

Them crazy yeah. Shoo. Yeah I need to know. Them fire. Yeah for sure. Nah them crazy, obviously man, you declared how was that pre-draft workout? What was that like, man?

Man, my pre-drive experience was a little interesting because I got hurt in the combine. I had a grade two hamstring, like strain or tear, sat out for a few weeks. Then I was able to go to a few pre-drive workouts and do like one-on-no shooting. So I was just pretty much there on the sidelines, like giving energy, talking shit, just encouraging people.

But yeah, it was cool. And then I shot at the end of the workout. So it was pretty cool pre-drive process. Jor, it's kinda similar to you. You had to say how the life's gonna stop. That was mine right there. I had a spring in my MCL. I had a grade two spring in my MCL.

I had to sit out like that. I didn't really do no shooting drills or nothing, but very similar to you. You went to South? Yeah, I went to Philly the day before the drive and I shot in Indiana. That was it. How many stops you do?

Seven. Oh damn, you went on a real tour. Yeah, real tour. Oh wow. All right, you in the league now, man. So what's something you feel like you can work on on your game? What's one of your weaknesses?

Man, first and foremost is getting stronger, getting my body stronger. You know, this dude's been in the league a long time. Bodies are much more mature. They know how to train. So, you know, that's one area. Making sure, just getting faster, getting stronger, making sure my body's prepared, and just, that's one area. Making sure, just getting faster, getting stronger,

making sure my body's prepared and just cleaning everything up with both hands, passing, finishing around the rim. You know, my lateral movement for defense because you know, we're gonna be picking up full. Yeah. You know, just constantly working on that, getting reps and that, you know,

because I'm looking forward to, you know, I'm already doing it, just adapting to the pace of the way. And you know, really embodying that forward to, you know, I'm already doing it, just adapting to the pace of way. And you know, really embodying that, embodying what that means. Obviously, we know you got drafted by the patient. I wanna ask you, catch them. I ain't never seen a nigga catch a boy like this.

Hey, why you trying to make it weird? Why you trying to make it weird? I'm trying. I said damn, praise this, That's their mom's shit. You know what I'm saying? That's their mom's shit. All right. All right.

All right. All right. All right. There it is, Mike, we got it. How we catch a bullet. Ken Griffey laughing hard. I'm about to get a bullet. I'm about to get a bullet.

I'm about to get a bullet. He back there rolling, ain't he? My father's saying about me. Aw, man, this ain't no I. So this about Ken of the days, man. I'm proud of him. My fault, this ain't about me. Aw man, this ain't no ice, so this about KM today, man. My fault, my bad. You talk about King Griffith. He's going in, all right.

All right, but we know you got drafted by a fake. He's rolling. It's raw right now. Where did you think you might go? Did you have any teams that was interested in you or any idea where you might got drafted at? Or a promise? I didn't get a promise.

Well, I knew I was going to Indiana when they traded up to get 38. I talked that out with my agent. We figured this is a good spot for me to be at. And it's somewhere I wanted to go. We're like, I only wanted to, well not wanted to, I guess preferred. I really didn't care where I went.

But if you would have had to ask me, it was a few teams that I preferred. Indiana was one of them for sure, so. I'll try to get him. He's something around. That's a cool way to do it, K.M. Swann. I'll try to bring it in like a lightning bug. That's two.

Listen, y'all know who I forget we on a, sorry. That's two. But it's funny because your style of play is like perfect for the Patriots, obviously, man. You in the college getting awards. It's just a turn-around ratio of a team that gets up and down the court. Obviously, you can make good decisions, man. You watch the team, obviously, in the finals, man. Just like, I can lock in with them for sure.

Yeah, most definitely. That's what I was thinking watching them the whole playoffs, like, you know, I rock with this system, just how they running and playing. Similar to Marquette. Yeah. You gonna get a lot of opportunity. You gonna get an opportunity, I was about to say, it's a big opportunity with Tyrese being out for the season.

Obviously they got TJ McConnell, they probably got some other guards that we not thinking of right now. I'm not sure who they picked up. They probably pick up somebody in free agency, but you're gonna have a big opportunity though. It's open for you. That's one thing about this.

I wish you were to came pause on different circumstances. You know what I'm saying? A lot of turmoil going on right now, but you definitely get a chance to play. I love that for you, my boy. Looking forward to Summer League, getting to know those guys and building those relationships on the floor.

Most definitely. Hey, Summer League, man, we were talking about the OG days. Boys used to hoopinoping at Orlando side gym. That was low key to fire in summer league situation. Paces used to play in that every time too. Yeah. Yeah, I don't, nah. Everybody in Vegas now?

Oh, it's another one too, like in Utah still. Utah, y'all going to Vegas, right? Yeah. Yeah, y'all gotta be there for, woof. We'll be ready for that weather, boys. Yeah, y'all gonna be there. Y'all know it's banging out there. We ain't there two weeks. Yeah, that is. Somebody just, boys. Yeah, I know it's banging out there. It ain't there two weeks.

Yeah. I just wear the beater. For sure, that's okay. That's my swag. Real baby boy swag. If you wearing the beater, you definitely in the black one. I'm sure I did.

All right, if I go get you a pair before you leave. Nah, just make sure the beater white. Don't wear no gray beater. Not the gray one, the gray one's bad. He gonna have a black one. He might have a black one. Look, see how funny gray is. He got a black one. He got a black one. I got a black white one. He got a gray beater. Not the gray one? The gray one's crazy? He might have a black one. He got a black one. I got a black one.

You got a gray beater? I got gray beaters. All you young niggas bro, stop wearing gray beaters. He from Memphis bro. I know you got a gray beater bro. Hey what is that? Hey mine. Hey mine.

I knew that nigga had a gray beater. That's crazy. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious.

I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I, bro. I ain't mind. I ain't mind. I knew that nigga had a gray meter. That's crazy. A gray meter's crazy. Kim, no gray meters in them. No gray meters. Don't take them for the family union at the crib.

I'ma lock in. I normally, I keep the, I keep, I order fresh packs on rotation. I'ma just slide the gray ones off. Yeah, bro, all white. Just go to Hayes White, bro. Okay, gray ones off. Ordering a multicolor pack of beaters is crazy. You are 955. A gray beater like white draw. I get black, a pack of black, a pack of white, and then it's a it's another pack like with variety in there. Okay. We're gonna cut the Variety. Yeah, we don't need no more zombie. The Variety pack gotta go.

Just have the extra white with it there. Hey man, we heard a Rhyde Wade, man. You a big R&B guy, man. Who's one of your favorite R&B artists? Who you rocking right now? Rhyde Wade, my favorite of all time. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

That's okay. Yep, my new favorite player, bro. We locked in, bro. I'll make sure. You cannot be wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B.

I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R&B. I'm not wearing a Grapebeater losing the R. Okay. Yeah, that's okay. Yup, my new favorite player, bro. We locked in, bro. I bet. You can now be wearing a gray beater and listen to Raw Way, bro.

We gonna call out, make sure you okay, bro. That nigga outside singing Gray Light. It's the one that fuckers don't seem right. And the gray beater. And Craig with some forces. That would be with you. What about old school R&B? Anybody grew up on?

Mike is on some bullshit today. Um. What? What's old to us though, probably is like, probably ancient to him. I'm trying to, he about to age us, so go ahead. I was just, you, I fuck with gals. I'm trying to get you to like, hey, nigga,

I'm my mama, you good, you good no matter what. This is what the father is. He is officially part of 520. I was wondering why he was over here looking nervous in the motherfucker, you was confusing me, nigga. But don't ever be ashamed to say, Kel's on this one, but we scream Kel's on here.

520 Kel, do you have your passports, do you have your shots? Do you have your shot? He is part of the team. What are you boy? 520,000. Oh man. My guy. Listen man, you know what he did boy,

he started going, man. We on, we on, what you call him? I said, listen. Yeah, he'll tell you. Listen man, Robert did that shit. Yeah, we don't like Robert. Yeah man, give Robert the chair. Just bring Kelly back in.

Hey y'all first. We just want R. Kelly. We don't want Robert. We don't want Robert. We don't care about Robert. Robert did that shit. He was over here like, oh lord. Yeah, you can say it over here.

Cause we don't rock for Robert. We don't rock for Robert. Default Robert R. Kelly, he still gets left in the weird boy show. How you feel about the rappers though, man, from your city? Like- You got some dope ones from Memphis. Yeah.

Yeah, it is definitely a good amount. Is that like a thing? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know Yo Gotti does his birthday bash and stuff there, but y'all got Bag, y'all got youngster, y'all got glow. Duff, Dolph, everybody bro. So music is. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, keep going on, I can get into. Push Icedy real catchy. Free Push Icedy. And he still live? Still. He live his raps. Yeah, boy still here.

Come on home, dog. He on his way though. I just didn't know what, I wanted to add like what that music scene was like though. Man, it was like around my junior senior year high school Memphis was on a crazy run. Like all these people that you just named was kind of on the up and coming.

That's all you heard just in cars, riding around throughout the day in the gym. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, when I'm in the gym, I'm more of a, like a mellow type guy. Like I play like no cap. I play Kells in there, Drake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But when I didn't have the aux,

especially in Memphis, you know, it wasn't that. So I learned a lot of songs from that. So yeah, I definitely learned about a few artists just listening around. Okay, okay. Yeah, chill, he chill, he like us. He like me more, like they like, they like new shit. I don't like nothing.

I love Raui from NBA. I'm Raui, bro. No cap for sure. You're Raui Cap or Solid? Raui Cap or Solid? No cap, he gets no play in my rock. I ain't no disrespect, I don't know him. He ain't tapped in yet. I ain't tapped in.

My playlist don't go past 2007. Yeah, he'll get wicked, bro. He come to one of my parties, he'll invite it, but it's definitely gonna be- Ken was born, was you born in? 01, 02? 02? Oh yeah, bro.

Boy, when you was born, boy, I was turning. Damn, we old. I was turning. Jesus. I was going crazy, boy. I was listening to Lil Jon. Oh. What the click that you throwing up?

B.I.B. and China White, man. What? We was going crazy. 2002. We owe heads, brother. That was an anthem for a lot of ass-whoopin'. Damn, but 2002 as well. 7th, 8th grade.

Yep. Damn. Literally. Crazy times, man. If I went to school, I would go, I'm on 03. You want 02? Yep. Literally. Crazy times, man. I went to school, I went 03. You went 02. 02. Yeah.

Damn, Ken. Growing up in Memphis, was you a Grizzlies fan by chance or what team? Who'd you rock with? I was never really a Grizzlies fan. I kind of grew up a players guy. Okay. I used to like Kobe a lot.

For sure. Steph. So those were my top two players that I really liked. But that grit and grind era was, it was cool like that with Tony Allen, Tony Allen, Zach Randolph, Martin Solis, that big three. Yeah, they turned Memphis up for real. They really did.

Mike Conley from MarCity. Yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah, he from, shout out Mike. They had a crazy run. Who you will model your game after, or do you see yourself similar to anybody in the league right now? Yeah, for sure. I was thinking, like, in my interviews,

I always gave comps like Derrick White. Okay. Kind of like a, in my interviews, I was actually saying Nim Hart, kind of guys like that, that can play the one and the two. Yeah. Do what you need, can catch and shoot. Can handle the ball, make the right play with the ball.

Don't turn it over. Those are two of my main guys. That's a valuable player right now. I ain't gonna lie. Everybody want a Derek Whiterer and Nimhar. It's a Mario game after them. Yeah, you, them are the ones. The two holidays, all them. People that can out multiple positions and play multiple positions people love them

I'm definitely before we got here until you got advice for the youngster man going to his rookie year man be the first in the gym last to leave that's just like Be a gym rat like I swear to God everything that you thinking you want to do It's gonna be there in your 10, 12, 15, 20. My biggest advice to the girls, ain't going nowhere. That was my crib tonight, I lived in Atlanta as a rookie. I went out, so I'm telling you, they're gonna be there in the summer, they're gonna be there everywhere.

So throughout that year, stay in the gym, first to leave. I mean, first to get there last. I was the first to leave, it's gonna be me. The first to get there last to leave every single time, man. Live in the gym, bro. Yeah, definitely, I'm gonna do that. Yeah, live in there, bro. It ain't nothing else to do, especially you and Indy.

I'm gonna tell you, you can call us anytime we be down here, we be chilling, but we'll come shoot with you too. I'll probably bust your ass in one of them still. Okay, we're gonna see. That shit, like,, oh listen, listen. I'm old but I still can hoop. Sure. No, but just live in the gym, bro.

I'll jump to the side, bro. Yeah, man. That's why Indiana like a perfect place to come cause it ain't too much going on. You still can get out and shit, but live in the gym. Call me for all your off-court activities, bro. Yeah, so yeah, bro. If you got any questions, bro,

you need to know where to go, where to eat, we got you, bro. Just step in, bro. We'll make sure you take care of the show man. Yeah, I appreciate y'all having me on man. Yeah, it's easy bro. Everybody in the city gonna rock with you too, just cause you came, man. A lot of people don't come on the show

when they first get here, you know what I mean? They don't do that. You're actually the first pacer, we said that. You are, you are the first pacer. Second, who else can? Miles, Miles sit down. Miles our guy. RIP to Miles.

Miles had the script in his head. Any foot don't leave it anyway. We hoping you stay here for at least 10 years. You know what I'm saying. Shout out to my dog, Miles. Shout out to Miles, man. Congratulations. I'm happy for you.

Congratulations, but we got a new Pacer in the building. Shout out. Come on, man. Tennis squid, man. You know what I'm saying? Pacer friend for life, man. Happy to have you, man. But we got a new Pacer in the building, shout out. Come on man. Appreciate it. Tennis squid man, you know what I'm saying? Pacer for the life man, happy to have you man. What number you gonna wear? Can't wait to see her crazy. Okay.

That's a big number. Yeah, it is. That's a big number in our city. J.O. held that seven down. Oh yeah. Defensive player of the year. Big seven. I'm gonna be a devil.

NBA in that seven. Yeah. I'm gonna be a gym rat. Yeah, you gotta be a Jim Ratt. Hold that seven down. I was about to say, don't pull that 44 out. That 44. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yo, walk that 44. Hey, man, wear that motherfuckin' summer league. Now that'd be fire. Oh, crazy. That 44 legendary boy, girl, leave that one alone. For sure, man. City, show love to Ken, man. Tap in, man. Have a great summer league. Have a great rookie year, man.

We gonna be rooting for you. Can't wait to see you on the court, man. We gonna be going along the whole journey, bro. We'll see you down there, too, bro. All right, we'll be down there. There's a link up, for sure. All right, man. For sure, man.

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