Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Antoine Walker’s CRAZY Michael Jordan story, meeting Jeff Teague, winning NBA title w/ Wade's Heat

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 25 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by former NBA player Antoine Walker who played for the Boston Celtics, Dallas Mavericks, Atlanta Hawks, and others. Antoine talks about playing for Kentucky, and what he calls the greatest college basketball team of all time. The guys then get into Antoine having to guard Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, and other elite power forwards. Walker tells a story about Michael Jordan calling him to help him train in his comeback to the NBA. Jeff and Antoine share a story of the first time they met each other, talk about winning an NBA title with Dwyane Wade on the Miami Heat, and share more NBA stories from Walker’s career. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. The Volume. All right, man, we back. Another episode of Club 520 Podcast. We still in the shop. With us, it's only right we brought out one of the best from Chicago. We're going to introduce my man's laugh. I'm your host.

My name is DJ Wells. Same gang with me to my far left. I got my dog, Bishop B. Here out the pearlies. How you doing, Nasty? Cool and nasty. Still in the shop, baby. Let's get to it. Still. I got my dog, Bishop E. He in out the pearlies. How you doing, Nasty? Cool and nasty. Still in the shop, baby. Let's get to it.

Still in the shop for sure, man. Listen, Twy, I know your feet was always correct. You know a lot about shoes, my man. His signature over here, the black forces with the white laces. In Chicago, what does that shoe mean, man? Well, it's just about Jordans in Chicago, man. Forces cool, but Chicago's about Jordans, man. Okay.

I think MJ is an 84, man, so everybody's been about Jordans. I can only imagine growing up in Chicago and the peak of MJ. How was that to get to New Jersey when they first dropped while MJ's still killing up the street? Well, I couldn't get them, man. I'm from the hood. Poor. I ain't get them until I got late in the game.

But, yeah. But, no, it's a thing here. I mean, obviously, until I got late in the game. It's a thing here. Obviously, we all grew up Bulls fans. Everybody here is about joints. That's like the hottest ticket, I think, still to today in Chicago. They still on the feets all around the world. To my right, my dog, Young Nacho, Young Teague.

How you doing? Cooling, man. I've been waiting for this pod for a long time. We got OG in the building. Showed me a lot of love when I first got to Atlanta, so I appreciate him. So for him to step on the pod with us and have a good time, talk hoops, talk life, I'm excited about this. Yeah, for sure, man.

Listen, man, we excited to do this episode, man. He always showed love from the very beginning, man, so we very happy to do this, man. Listen, champion in college in the NBA 12-year event, man. We got Chicago's very own, man. Hey, Walker, appreciate you putting on this big dog. Man, appreciate you having me, man. Long time coming, man. We got Chicago's very own, man. Hey, Walker, appreciate you putting on this big dog. Man, appreciate you having me, man. Long time coming, man.

Real deal. Big fan of what you guys have established in this space, man. I know it's a big space with everybody in it, but you guys are unique, man. I enjoy watching it. Appreciate it. For sure, man. I appreciate that. We talking about Chicago's finest, man. Talking about high school, Mark Cormier.

You saw it off of Donovan McNabb, man. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah. So me and Donovan went to high school together Mark Cormier. You saw it off of Donovan McNabb. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah. So me and Donovan went to high school together all four years. But the funny thing about it, Donovan was, he was a two-sport player,

but great quarterback. We all know his quarterback history and how good he was. But he was a really, really good basketball player. And he got recruited to sports. A lot of people don't know. He played for Syracuse. He didn't get any minutes.

But even when we won the national championship, he was on the team. He was on the roster. He was on the bench. So that's what he got recruited as. He was one of the best athletes I ever seen. I don't know if he could have been pro. That might be in the stretch,

but definitely could have played overseas and made money playing basketball. You know what's crazy? Shout out to Journeys back in the day. Journeys used to have random throwbacks, but I had a high school that Malcoma joined the Donovan McNabb. I was like, this is another Donovan or another McNabb? I didn't know this nigga who. When I seen him, I was like, that nigga have a high school throwback? He must have been nice.

And our school was a football school. So, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, obviously, their football program was incredible, but he helped me put the basketball team kind of probably on the map. He was a big part of that, and he was a real two-sport player. Damn, that's crazy. So do you feel like pro football players can hoop in the NBA?

There we go. I mean, that kind of opened up the bait a little bit. No, I don't think that. I don't think that. I have a high level of respect for guys that make it to the NBA. Right. I love football. I love baseball. Baseball

is my first love. I don't think I can play in the major leagues. You know what I mean? I don't think football players play in the league. It's different. Okay. It's the reason why, you know what I mean, it's only, you know, the roster's obviously extended, but at one point it was only 12 pros, man. The roster's at 12.

I think it's got the 15 now with the, you know, obviously with the G League, I mean the D League and G League and all that shit. It extended,

but no, I don't think so. Before we get into your career, man, let's just screw it for sure. You got to talk about the first time y'all linked up, man.

First time I met Twan, man, we was, I was a young pup in Atlanta and, you know, I just had turned 21, got drafted. I wanted to go test my waters test my luck in Atlanta

so I go to the infamous the most famous club in Atlanta called Magic City I walk in there young don't know what to do

don't know nobody in there Smooth sent me I go in there I'm looking around somebody come take me you know grab my hand tell me where to go where I need to sit

and everything he didn't know me from a can of paint and he seen me from a distance I think somebody might have told him something like somebody come take me, you know, grab my hand, tell me where to go, where I need to sit and everything. He didn't know me from a can of paint and he seen me from a disc and I think somebody might have told him something like, oh,

he a young fella, he just got drafted. He called me over there. I come over there. He opened a briefcase, threw me some ones, man. I ended up having a time

that night and I never forgot that. I'm like, damn. And I was just like, is that how you supposed to do it? You know what I mean? Like, am i doing this all wrong but i just remember having that time there and it was like a welcome to atlanta

you know you hear all the music videos and all the stuff about magic city and then going in there and then see you and i knew you from the cover alive you know what i mean i'm like that's an antoine walker and then for you to even embrace me you ain't even know me i was just a young dude and to do that that meant a lot. Yeah, but that was my thing, man. I was really one of those dudes that, like, I consider myself a basketball savant, man. I follow the game. I'm a student of the game, but I'm a fan of the game, so I watch everybody.

You know, I'm a part of—my family's a part of the AAU circuit, you know, the Mack Irvin Flyers. So they raised me. Mr. Irvin raised me. God rest his soul, raised me. So I just follow basketball. It's like it's been in my DNA for so long. So I know all the players. I watch college, high school, you know, pro.

This is part of my situation where I do every single day. So when I seen it, I always try to make sure, you know, the young guys can get taken care of. I came in the league at 19, man. So I played with a bunch of vets. Rick Fox, Dee Brown, Dana Barrows, Purvis Ellison. So I was the young guy on the team. So those guys kind of like,

and I was 19 turning 20, so I really couldn't do the club. They had to really kind of gangbang their way in to get me in. So it was like one of those things when I seen those guys take me up, take me up under their arms and show me how to do it. I always said when I become a vet, I'm going to do the same thing. Look at that freaky T.

Pop it. You don't know where you started. Hey, but you know what? For Chicago, people don't understand Chicago, we don't have strip clubs. Okay. So we don't get that experience. So I think that's what it was for me. When I got to Atlanta, I got to really experience the strip club. Like I had heard about Magic City, heard about it. Now I when I got to Atlanta I got to really experience the strip club like I had heard

about Magic City heard about it now I'm actually going to be able to go to it whenever I want to yeah I took advantage of that yeah for sure and that time period early BMF yeah that was actually the crazy part they had just got back out so I missed the first part so I caught that

second wave when they got back out right around that time they had went in and they got back out. Right around that time. They had went in and they got back out. So them boys was doing it big. I can only imagine. What was the first city you went to a strip club in? Was it Atlanta? I went to Atlanta.

Dallas too. People mention Dallas. Dallas wasn't bad. Them probably my two favorite cities to have them. Okay. And then every other city was kind of just so-so. But when you want to turn up, it was probably those two. Yeah.

Dallas and them. For sure, man. Listen, we got to get to it, man. What made you commit to Kentucky, man? Jamal Mash, man. Jamal straight up. I just kind of love the way he played. He kind of mirrored my game.

You guys, so when I came out, I was kind of, you know, in an AAU circuit, I got to play the point, one, two, three. But in high school, you know, obviously I was like a four man. So it was a little different. So I just got an opportunity when Coach Patino came to my crib and he was showing me the Mashburn highlights. He was like, I'm going to let you do what he do. I was like, man.

You know what I mean? I could shoot the three. I could be able to put the ball on the floor, handle it. So I was like, man, this is the perfect spot for me. But it really was because of mass burn, man, because of the style of play. I wore 24. He gave me his number. Damn.

And I was just like a huge, I was a huge fan of his game. I thought that's the kind of game I could be like when I came into college. So that's what really made me pick there. And then obviously the atmosphere and everything. See, I went there, they were only one year fresh off probation. I don't know if you guys are familiar when they went on probation.

So Coach P was just building it back up to being a powerhouse. So that's what made it special for me. That was the reason why I picked it, though. I mean, because of the style of play and how Mashburn went there. For sure, man. Uncle Rick, y'all had a squad, too. Was D.A. on that team, too? Yeah, D.A. transferred. We had... Tony Dill?

Nine pros. Yeah, that's crazy. So, T... Hold on. Before you tell me all the pros, I just want to ask. You think y'all the best Kentucky team? I think we're the best team ever in college basketball. Walk your shit. But I'm not saying it to be, you know, because being biased. I'm just, one, I would say the margin of victory.

We won by like 24, 25 a night. So when you look at our numbers, you'd be like, oh, he was cool. But I ain't played the last seven, eight minutes of games. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of people don't even understand that. So our numbers look a little crazy. I let the team in minutes at like 27, 28 minutes a night. You know what I'm saying?

Most guys are playing 35, 36. So our numbers could be totally different if we got a chance to play. But most games, but just, man, we had nine pros. Man, our practice, to be honest, was harder than our games. I'm not going to even front. Who all was the pros on your team myself

Tony Dill Walter McCarty Derek Anderson Jeff Shepard Mark Pope Ree Shepard pops right Jeff Shepard played in Atlanta

Mark Pope the head coach he played four or five years with Indiana and Denver. And I feel like I'm missing one more to make the ninth one. It'll probably pop up to me here shortly.

But, yeah, we was strong, man. Damn. Y'all forgot about Scott Padgett? Nah, I know Scott Padgett. So, y'all think you better than Cat, Book, who else they had?

The two twins. The twins. Tyler Uless. Yeah. They were good. They had a squad, and they did their thing. I went and watched a lot of those games. I was very supportive of them.

And then to have Book as your sixth man speaks volumes. So I see where you're at with it. But no. Well, we beat people by 25. They should be. They cold. They out. They superstars.

And especially that time period. The competition around that time was crazy too as well. What you got to think about, we something different. We think, when you think about us, you think about UNLV, that 90 team. Oh, yeah. The Jordan team. Yeah. You know what I mean?

North Carolina. You don't really put that Kentucky team in that same. Because they didn't win. You don't put them in the same breath as when you talk about that. So I always, it's an argument. I mean, I love that UNLV team in the 90s. I mean, that 1990 team. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? So it's hard. You know what I mean? That Jordan, I didn't get a chance to watch a lot of that, you know, Michael Newman. They always put Michael Newman in that conversation. MJ and them team. But I like us in the 90 team.

And then, we got to give respect to what respect do. That Michigan team was tough. For being freshmen, for being freshmen, you got to like, we got to give them that respect.

But y'all better than them. I give you that. Y'all probably the best team. Y'all blew everybody up. We didn't bring up the Kentucky team. Nah, Mook and them get beat.

Dang, it's too loud, but they raised it better. Yeah, 12 team was tough. They were and them get beat dang it's too loud but they raised it better to my 12 yeah 12 team was tough they were good yeah but it's quiet they had they was too well Mook and them

was big too Mook and them was big T. Jones Anthony Davis they was loaded Kee Gill they had a big team too they was loaded

I mean it's been a good game but like you said non-pros is crazy like what are you doing you damn near the original stretch four. You know what I'm saying? Before you...

I'm going to tell you, it's me, stretch four, probably me, Derrick Coleman, Q, Shee, Shee,

while it's a stretch four. Yeah. But you had that pity-patty, though. Yeah, they couldn't drip. Yeah. Hell, man. That's what you borrowed your game after? You told me that one day.

Them and Tuan, we built the same. Because it was a lot of people back then, but I felt like you was just way more skilled than everybody. Just because you had that handle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I feel like you more of a modern-day player like today. Let me tell you what's funny. So this is really a true story.

So AAU circuit, I'm on the AAU circuit. And just back when they changed it when you had to play with your state. You remember you used to go to camp. So my sophomore year, I went to Nike All-America camp. They put you on different teams. You know what I mean? But so the next year, the NCAA changed the rule. You had to play All-America camp. They put you on different teams. You know what I mean? So the next year, the NCAA changed the rule. You had to play with your actual state

and city. So our point guard that we took, Mr. Irvin, don't forget this, the point guard that we took got hurt the first day. And Mr. Irvin was like, huh, you the point. I'm like, what? I ain't never played point guard in my life. He was like, you the point. Man, by the fifth day, bro, I'm leading the camp in assists and scoring.

And we loaded like Stephon there. Stephon's right behind me. Felipe Lopez. Gerard Ward. I mean, camp is crazy. It's sunny camp. And that's what took me over the top. Like, I went from, like, top 50 to I left there top five in the country.

And it was history after that. But it was because one of the point guards got hurt. He just threw me the ball. I was like, yo, you the point. And so I got to play point guard. So it was over after that. Did you grow up

always dribbling and stuff? Yeah, dribble. That was all my thing. And then when I went to camp with Stephon and all them, they was showing me all them tricks. You know what I mean?

Like, we'd be working on dribbling moves. So I started taking a liking to it. So I just became a big part of my game. That's crazy. That's a true story right there.

No, but it just threw me the ball. Like, yo, you the point at All-America Camp. That's crazy. Like, and I just, I'm promise I led the camp for like the first five days. I ran out of gas, though. Like, gave six out. Bring that ball up. Yeah.

But it was cool. It gave me an opportunity to put me on a bigger stage. My recruiting went through the roof man I left there I mean I was top five in the country it was over

what's it like playing for Rick Pitino so I got a story for you my dad Rick Pitino first coaching job was in Boston University my dad was on that team

he was the point guard for BU Rick Pitino's first job my dad said he was crazy he said they had him holding bricks, doing defensive slides, all type of crazy stuff.

Y'all was good. Was he crazy with y'all? Yeah. He was crazy. But he was a good crazy, if that makes sense. You know, he going to push you to the max. You got to work hard. My first year was really tough.

I'm going to be honest. I wanted to transfer at Christmas. Now you get the little Christmas break. I wanted to transfer at Christmas. Now you get the little Christmas break. Yeah, yeah. I wanted to leave after that. But back then when I came out, you had to sit out. So I would have to literally sit out the whole next year to play. So I was like, man, I can't.

I ain't going to sit out the whole year. Straight up. But he's going to make you work hard, man. But one thing about him, he's going to get the best out of you. You're going to be in the best shape of your life, and he's going to maximize your talent. If you. You're going to be in the best shape of your life, and he's going to maximize your talent. If you guys didn't even know, like, so when – obviously he coached me in college, but when he came to the pros,

I mean, I made the all-star team the first year because he knew – He moved me from the three. I went to pros. I played my whole rookie year at small forward, my whole rookie year. So, which was cool. But, you know, that's guarding Scotty. You know, that's guarding Scotty. You know, that's guarding like elite

three men in the league. You know what I mean? So, he moved me to four. He was like, you move me to the four. He was like, you finna have the advantage

on the offensive end. You gonna have to bulk up a little bit. So, I went from like 225 to 240. Like, he was like, you gonna guard fours,

but we gonna move you to the four. You gonna have your most success. And that was the best thing for him. I made the all-star team in 98 off that. That's crazy. That was good for you, though. You could always rebound. So that was easy to get down there and bang.

But I have to say, it was abilities now because I can dribble. So I can put me in the one-foot. I can roll. That's why I said that's a stretch. You can start getting spooky. Come on out here on this three-point line. I got to thank Coach P for that because I went to the league as a small four. I was guarding threes.

And even we won a championship in Miami. I played all three. Because you remember UD was there. I got to remember UD was the starting power four, and they had just went to the Eastern Conference Finals when I signed there. So Rouse was like, yo, you got to play the three. He loved UD. Y'all, we know that.

You know, he loved UD. So he was like two things he was like yo you got a lot of players three and he was like you got to come off the bench for a little bit

he was like so they figure it out because I played for Stanford a lot of people don't know that Stan was the coach he came stepped down so I was coming off the bench

Pat came down Pat came down he was like yeah it was 10 and 10 Shaq was hurt he was like man yeah. It was 10 and 10. Shaq was hurt. He was like, man, come on down.

I'm coming down. Fire stand. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy work. I understand, man. Now we see what's going on with Jimmy. We're like, hey, Pat been on this for a long time, boy. Pat different dude.

Pat been on this for a long time, bro. Oh, with Jimmy? Oh, yeah. Jimmy messed up. Yeah. He went to the media. Don't go to the media. Never. Not with Pat Riles. Not when he got the microphone

and he got the pen. Nah, and it's funny because they was talking about it like it was an anonymous quote, quote, unquote. They was just like, hey, one thing you don't do is don't fuck with Pat Riles because he ain't got nothing to lose. And everybody's like, what the fuck that mean? And then we came out, seven games suspended. He was like, God damn. What was that adjustment, though, from college to the NBA, though, at Boston?

Because you had, what you averaged, like 17 or something your rookie year? Yeah, 17. It was hard for me because we were terrible, man. I don't know if you guys know, man. We were on 15 games. Yeah, I had the worst record in NBA history.

But the best thing for me was I played for ML Carr. Okay. So ML was the GM and the head coach of the team. And basically, you know,

after like 30 games, he was like, he see me want to do something, he was like, it's your show. And he just let me play. So I got a chance to play through my mistakes

and get some real minutes. You know what I mean? Sometimes when you come in, you don't get an opportunity to do that. So he let me play through my mistakes, and that's why I was able to. I think I was like 17. Now I was able to put up some decent numbers. Yeah, he was a rookie.

That's fire. I was right behind A.I. You know, y'all know where A.I. was over there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, A.I. was cooking at work. But they were losing too, though. Yeah. But A.I. was cooking too.

So me, him, Ray Allen, and that class, too, were all doing really, really good. But, yeah, it was hard, though. But I just kind of like, because I was just coming from college, man. Well, I just lost six games in two years. Yeah. I think my first year we lost four games at my freshman year, four or five. And then we won a championship. We was 36-2.

Yeah. So, I hadn't lost a lot in the last couple years. our freshman year, four or five. And then we won a championship. We was 36-2. Yeah. So I hadn't lost a lot in the last couple years. So it was like trying to stay focused. And so they did a – I had to credit. But I played for a Hall of Fame staff. A lot of people don't know that. That was connected with that organization.

Dennis Johnson, God rest his soul, he was on that staff as well. Casey Jones was on the staff as well. Tommy Heinsohn obviously was calling the game. So it was a lot of the old guys. Red Allback was still alive

and still coming to the games. So I was around a lot of tradition. JoJo White. I'm thinking about everybody that was just in the gym

all the time. So it was cool. So they was kind of starting to build it around me a little bit. What was that oh shit moment though in the NBA? Who'd you match up with? It was like, so it was cool. So they was kind of like starting to build it around a little bit. What was that oh shit moment though in the NBA? Like who'd you match up with?

It was like, God damn, this ain't nothing like college. Man, the person guarding me was Dennis Rodman. He's super strong, man. Quick feet. Yeah. Couldn't really score on him. That was a challenge for me. But guarding?

Yeah. Tim Duncan, man. I mean, for me, he guarding? Yeah. Tim Duncan, man. I mean, for me, he's a player of power forward, bro. I mean, footwork, big dude, got all the moves. Elite. He ain't going to talk to you. He ain't giving you no – you know, he ain't giving you nothing back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's just killing. And then my best matchup would be probably Ticket. Me and KG had some moments. Some, like, especially when I first came in the league because KG was in Chicago, but he's not from Chicago.

Yeah. So a lot of people in Chicago loved him. For the one year he came up and played Ronnie Fields. So me and KG had some battles.

We liked Summer League. It carried over into the real games, but that's the one guy that we had. Them two games we played was going to be special. For sure. Listen, man, we talk about it, man.

You was probably one of the best All-Star games ever. That 98 joint, man. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Please tell me about that experience, man. First All-Star game, it'd be one of the most historic ones in hindsight, too. Yeah, it was in New York. I mean, it was in Madison Square Garden. And what made it special, too, was MJ.

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To be a part of that, to be a part of that, it was a circus, kind of like, you know what I mean? But it was dope to see him go out the way he did and to be a part of it

and to play a significant role. I got like 20-something minutes that game. I was geeked out. I was happy about that. You know what I mean? And it was my first one, too,

to be at Madison Square Garden and play in my first game, too, was special. But it's something I will always remember. That locker room and you know what I'm saying? I couldn't sit in the back of the bus. You know, I imagine you're on the bus and they're like, look, you up top. Yeah, you can't sit in the back of the bus with the guys. It was just the whole experience was dope

to be a part of that and to see Mike go out like that. I liked it better in 98 than when he, and I was you know, lucky I was part of that and to see mike go out like that i liked it better in 98 than when he and i was you know lucky i was part of we could talk about that i was part of both of them when his last one in washington washington wizards too yeah that's crazy we we talked we got to have kg on the show he uh talking about that opening situation with the lob with him and kobe it was just like that was kobe's coming out party they was trying to pit him against my it's a legendary moment especially for the all-star. We talk about how lackluster it is now. Them moments helped make a lot of Hoopers memories

for, like, good moments for basketball. Oh, yeah. And then the new was crazy, man. The guys took, you know, it was crazy. Prize money was not, obviously, not as big back then. But guys was like, man, I want this $20,000. You know what I mean? We're going to win.

We're going to compete. Well, these guys now getting $250, $300, half a million dollars to play. It's different now. But so I understand. I see? We're going to win. We're going to compete. With these guys now getting $250, $300, half a million to play, it's different now. Yeah. So I understand. I see where they're struggling there because these guys probably don't understand, but the money was different.

You know, it's different now. You got guys making $30, $40, $50 million. They like, I ain't looking at that. Like, I don't know. It's a vacation. We just talked about that. Like you said, $250 now. They sneezing at that.

Boy, 20 Gs, they're not even pulling up. Yeah, but guys, we played. Guys were playing for that prize money, man. Man, like we was in there. They was getting it on. At least that, you knew that second, you knew that third and fourth quarter was going to be competitive.

Even if the first and two wasn't right, but that third and fourth was going to be good. For sure. I know we talked, we kind of skipped over, we went to your pro, but you was part of the best draft class ever. Yes, sir. And I just wanted to point that out.

Like you said, you know, you said Bubba Chuck, Iverson being the first pick, and the list goes on. That draft class was so loaded. Elite. Like, did you know when you was part of getting drafted, did you know, like, man, I'm with a bunch of killers? Or you thought, like, man, I got snubbed. I probably should have been the number one pick.

How did you, like? No, my draft process was, it was hard. I worked out for nine teams, so I worked out from two to 11. Yeah. I didn't work out for the Toronto. I think they was picking one. So I didn't work out for them. But it was hard.

Like, you had to go in there. And I didn't know until the draft day. The Celtics called my agent and was like, look, we're trying to move up and we're going to take them. I didn't know where I was going. But there was some great workouts because back then, I don't know how they do it now, you competed against other guys. So, like, most of my workouts, I went in with all the small forwards.

Sharif? So it was like Sharif, me, John Wallace. Is Tim in that class? Dante Jones. He's at Mississippi State. John Wallace, me, Walter McCarty, my teammate. Is Tim in that class? Dante Jones. He's at Mississippi State. John Wasme. Walter McCarty, my teammate. So it was like six or seven of us.

So a lot of times you'll come to those workouts and it'll be four of y'all in the same workout. So, and that's what made it different. You let, maybe two teams I got to work out by myself. But all the rest of them was competitive workouts. Like you had three, four guys in there, and you go at it. They throwing the ball in the middle, like one-on-ones. Like, get it on, like type of shit. So that's what made it really special.

But I had great workouts. I felt good leaving everywhere. No, I never felt like I didn't have a good workout. And what I did that was different, probably, I don't know what guys do now. I never left school. So I stayed up on the Coast Patino. So when I put my name in a draft, I stayed working out up under him. So I stayed doing the same workout.

You know how most guys put their name in a draft. They going to get the card. They going to kick it. It's up now. No, no, no. I stayed locked in. Like, I just stayed right there. I didn't move until the day after I got drafted.

Then I moved out of Lexington, Kentucky. But before that, I just stayed locked in. But it was different, though. You had to play. Like, they made you play one-on-ones and you get it on. So did you have a matchup with Sharif in the workouts? No. I didn't play against Sharif. I was actually surprised Sharif because I didn't really know much

about him. You know what I mean? Like, the other guys I knew a lot about because Sharif ended up going three. So he went off the board early, so I was like, man. You know what I mean? He was nice, though. He was hard. Yeah, he was nice.

But then I was like, he went to Vancouver. I was like, cool. I was like, I ain't going to Vancouver. That's too far west. I was like, cool. I don't want to go there.

You know what I'm saying? So it was one of those situations. But that small four in my group in 96 was real tough. But, I mean, obviously I'm being a little biased, but I believe if you guys really look at the second-round picks, I mean, Steve Nash went 13.

I mean, Swift. No, Steve Nash went 16, I think. Kobe went 13. So you got to really think about it. That draft was so deep. And the second-round picks were really good players in the league. You know what I mean? They helped teams out. So that draft was really, really good players in the league. You know what I mean? They helped teams out.

So that draft was really, really good. I would say it's probably the best draft. I know they would probably say Jordan and Hakeem and all those other famous. I think one to 60 is us. If you go all the way through and you pick out a couple second round picks, those have some really good careers. Kerry Kittles went eight. Kerry Kittles

with the socks, baby. Yeah, Kerry was good. That draft was loaded. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. When you really think about it and you go through it, you be like, man, it was a lot of good players in this draft that had impactful NBA careers. Sure, most definitely. How was it, man? You know what I'm saying? You get your footing at Boston, and then you get your running back,

pull up with you, Pauly P. That was cool, man, because, see, Paul came in a situation where when Coach P first took over his first draft, and then Paul had a chip on his shoulder. Y'all don't know Paul's supposed to went like three or four in a draft. He slid to 10. Yeah. So he slid on us like at number 10. So Coach P was like, we got to steal.

And it was beautiful, man, because me and Paul, we had so much respect for each other in the beginning. And our games didn't get in each other's way. Yeah. If that makes sense. You know what I mean? We didn't, you know, he played different type of games. You know what I'm saying? So it made it real easy for us. But we hit it off off the court. I think that's probably our best thing was that me and Paul became friends early on,

started hanging out, started building a rapport. And that's why we was able to play, you know, five, six years together. And, you know, obviously we didn years together. And, you know, obviously we didn't win a title. We both ended up winning one, but we had a lot of success. We helped put the organization at least back in respectful. Oh yeah.

To be respectful again. So that was fun. And the crazy part, we never argued, man. We never got in each other's way. That was the, and Paul tough.

I argue about Paul all the time. He won the toughest at that position. He coached. Was it the toughest at that position. Was it the first or second year that y'all had that great record? Y'all had it. What happened was, you know, so when Coach P came in, first year, we only won 15 games my rookie year. So we came in, we immediately jumped to 30-something.

We didn't make the playoffs, though. But everybody was like, yeah, we right there. Then that lockout year happened, and we didn't improve. That was probably our first time. 99 years. Yeah. We won like 20 games. I think it was like 52 games.

Okay. We didn't make no noise. We were bad. And then the next year is when we took off. Oh, okay. Coach P, we got off to a bad start. Coach P stepped down. Jim O'Brien stepped in. Yeah. And then we took off at 149. Yeah, okay. Coach P, we got off to a bad start. Coach P stepped down. Jim O'Brien stepped in.

Yeah. And then we took off at 149. Yeah, okay. That was the second year then. Yeah, so it was really like his second year that we took off on the Jim O'Brien. But yeah, Coach P, you know, I played with about 50 dudes in two years. You know you can't do that in the league. Nah.

That's a door. That's crazy. It was a revolving door. No limit tanks. He wanted to press, first's crazy. It was a revolving door. No limit tanks. He wanted to press, first of all. That was probably the biggest problem. That's out of pocket. The league is crazy.

That's why college coaches don't make it. He wanted to press. Because doing that shit, 2-2-1 is crazy. So he wanted to press. That was first of all. So it was tough finding guys that can really fit into that. And once that was over, then he wanted to win. You know, you rebuild him.

You know what I'm saying? So his patience was over. He traded Chauncey Billers, bro. Chauncey Billers was our third pick. Chauncey Billers was our third pick. About 40 games in the season. Are you jealous of my after 40? You know what I mean? You might have played a little more.

It was like 40 or 50. But he was upset because they was taking for Timmy D but we got three and six yeah we got the three and six picks

so we get Chassie and Ron yeah you know what I'm saying we rebuilding we building the team we finna be good yeah

man Chassie is crazy I'm glad Coach P stepped up that's my dog but you out of pocket for trading Chassie

your first year because that that trio would have been insane bro you gotta think it was Chassie me Ron No, but you out of pocket for trading Chauncey your first year. Because that trio would have been insane, bro. You got to think, it was Chauncey, me,

Ron, and P. Yeah. Damn. It could have been, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I could have had some special.

Yeah, that was nice. So he got patient. But from my understanding, he probably could tell the story different. He was in, you know, he loved Kenny Anderson

because he traded for Kenny. Yeah. Kenny was kind of like, I think he was, I would say he was out of his prime. He was in, you know, he loved Kenny Anderson because he traded for Kenny. Yeah. Kenny was kind of like, I think he was, I would say he was out of his prime. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't

prime Kenny. Yeah. But he always loved Kenny from New York. Yeah. So he got an opportunity to get Kenny, so he got Kenny.

I think that was some New York stuff that he had going on. You know what I mean? Mob ties. Yeah. It was like that. Yeah, but that's what made it special though. But man, yeah, I played with Chauncey, man. I on. You know what I mean? Definitely. Mob Toss was up. Yeah. It was like that. Yeah, but that's

what made it special though. But man, yeah, I played with Chauncey, man. I played half a season with Chauncey. Chauncey was up out of there, bro. Chauncey would have been a sense of life too, man.

Where did you see Chauncey too? Denver? Yeah. Where's Chauncey? Yeah, Denver. Denver. Chauncey was the number first. Then he, um,

because we got Brian Stiff. Y'all know Brian Stiff? No. Oh, that's crazy. He wasn't on my line. Oh, we were Brian Stiff.

He must have been 99. Don't be on here making me like I'm old, man. Oh, we were Brian Stiff. Brian Stiff, cuz,

dude. Kid from New. Oh, we were Brian Stiff. No, bro, no. What was more like,

you know, you had your own shoe. Yeah. We had Jason Tatum the same thing. What was better, having your own shoe or being on the cover of the video game? Wow, that's a great question. I think being on the cover of the video game. Live, too.

And that was a special live, too. Yeah. Man, what? Yeah, live night is tough. One, the process of going through it, the making of it, it wasn't even about the bread because the bread back then probably what they paying now is probably quadruple

what they paying the guys now. But just the fact of I'm finna be in like 20 million homes. You know what I mean? Like, that was like the dopest part about it. Nah,

you definitely was in my crib. But like, we bought that game. Live was, live was the joint. And that was. Yeah, Lava was that shit. And that was before 2K. Lava was that shit. That was the last one, though. Nah, before 2K.

He was 99, right? 98. Oh, 98. Lava still had a run when... Remember, Jordan came back on the Wizards and all that. Y'all still playing Lava today? People was playing Lava today. Nah, because 2K had a run in the beginning on Dreamcast,

but then Dreamcast, and then 2K was kind of iffy until about 2008, 2009. First 2K, I don't know, Dreamcast took over, though. Yeah, but then PlayStation came back.

Yeah. Yeah. I respect. But it was dope, though, the process, like, putting on the whole little spandex suit and going through the moves.

Yeah. You know, really feel like you got to, you know, be a part of it. They're going to use your moves and stuff for it. So I always thank my agent for that you got to, you know, be a part of it. They're going to use your moves and stuff for it. So, I always thank my agent for that.

Like, I'm like, man, this is one of the dopest deals you ever got me to be able to be a part of that. And to see where the game's at now, you know what I mean?

At least I can go back and throw that, I can always show that little, me on the cover. I mean, that I was a part of it. Now, when you hopped on the game,

did you pick your team? No, I never wanted to play with myself, but we played that game a lot. My boy over there, you know, we used to play that. part of it. Now, when you hopped on the game, did you pick your team? No, I never wanted to play with myself, but we played that game a lot. My boy over there, you know, we used to play that. That was it. We played video, man, all the games. You ain't pick yourself? No, no.

It's hard to pick myself. I pick myself every single time. I shoot that bug every time. If I'm on the cover, I'm like, yeah. I'm 55 and 8 every game. We're looking to draw. I shoot every shot yeah. Yeah. I'm 55 and 8. Every day. We're in a little draw. I'm shooting every shot with me. And I better be a 95 at least.

I'm living out my dreams. Did they put the shimmy on the game? Had to. No. I didn't. That was before graphics got real. That was before it got real. Nah.

That shit would have glitched, huh? That shit would have skipped. Ew, the shimmy game turned up. I don't even remember doing it. Like, doing it for the game. Nah. I don't even remember doing it like doing it for the game no and today boy they had that as a signature where that'd be a fire

I'm trying to think about it like nah I don't think and I had a commercial they didn't even use it for the commercial either maybe for the commercial they used it for the commercial

damn did you realize like at that moment you like man I'm a superstar or was it like still just like I'm a superstar? Or was it like, still just like, I'm hooping, man?

My biggest moment was probably outside of one. You know, we all feel when we get drafted. Yeah. But outside of that,

to be honest, probably All-Star. Mm-hmm. Yeah. When I actually got selected to All-Star. When I was in that bus, bro, with all those dudes

in that locker room, and as a fan, you got to think, I'm looking at Reggie Miller. I'm looking at, you know, Joe. I'm looking at Tim Hardaway. Alonzo Moore.

And I'm looking at all the dudes. I just like, every day I'm on TV watching these dudes and now I'm in the same locker room with them. You know what I mean? Larry Bird was the coach.

Yeah, that is a crazy. You know what I'm saying? So it was just that whole thing. Then I'm in Madison Square Garden for the game. You know what I'm saying? So I think that probably was when it like really hit me

like, you know, I really arrived. Me and you got the same experience. My first All-Star game was in, my only All-Star game was in Madison Square Garden too.

And that's, I had that same feeling, but you kept playing and kept getting All-Star games. I was done. I had my moment. I felt like I, I missed,

I felt like I got snubbed twice. You know what I mean? The other years, I didn't deserve it, moment I felt like I I felt like I got snubbed twice you know what I mean the other years I didn't deserve it but I felt like it was two other years I should have made it but you was like

sitting at the crib like when they doing TNT they doing the reveal and you like man I know I'm finna make it and I didn't make it I was a little salty

damn what year was it DC I think they played in DC I'm trying to think what year that was but you was there oh 2003 right yeah well they played in DC. I'm trying to think what year that was. You was there.

DC and Denver. Oh, it was 2-1-0-3, right? Yeah. Okay. Well, I played in three and then also the rookie game. Okay. In Cleveland. So my first year I played, made the rookie team. That was cool in Cleveland because we all, none of us made it but Kobe.

I think Kobe was the only one that made the real all-star game. So me, AI, all us was on just the rookie game. For sure. You talk about that other, you know what I'm saying, Jordan's fly one.

How was that game, man? What? That one? The last one? The real last one. What are you saying? I'm about to say, my nigga 2K glitched.

Oh, my fault. The real last one. My apologies. I knew he was talking about that. My apologies. The last last one. My apologies. I knew he was talking about that. My apologies. The last one was special for me. All honesty.

For me personally, that was the year MJ came back. I don't know if you guys are familiar, but when he came back in 03, I got a phone call that summer. And, you know, I kind of like control the run with a pickup ball where we played at, which is actually right on the street that we were on filming. Right. But the thing is, um, he called me like, yo, block number, you know, it's like you can call people block and everything, private number.

And he's like, yo, I'm, he's like, yo, I heard you got a, you know, you got the run going and I'm thinking about coming back. I'm like, it's like May, bro. I'm like, I'm you got the run going, and I'm thinking about coming back. I'm like, it's like May, bro. I'm like, I'm about to go on vacation, kick it. We locked out the playoffs. He's like, I'm trying to get in the gym, and I need you to call everybody in the gym and get them in the gym. I'm trying to come back.

So, you know, Michael Jordan tell you that. You know, you like, man, I'm like, okay. Everything stopped now. I'm back in the gym. So we stopped. I called all the guys, like, yo, everything's stopped now. I'm back in the gym. So we stopped. I called all the guys, like, yo, MJ want to come back. And he wanted everything to be pro. He wanted to work out in the mornings.

So we all used to work out with Tim Grover in the mornings, lifting and doing our conditioning with him. And we played every day at 2 o'clock. I'm not talking about, man, the gym used to be 35, 40 pros. Like, you lose, you might not get back on the court. Like, we used to have to start another court just so guys could get some work in. But everybody wanted to be on that main court, you know what I mean, going against him.

But he wanted everything to be simulated to coming back. So I got an opportunity of a lifetime, man. We became really good friends. I started hanging with him off the court, spending a lot of time with him. And the best part was just his competitiveness, man, just to see how he worked, how hard he worked, even at the age that he was at and how good he was

and where I could see the separation to him and some of the greats and how he separates himself. Determined to win. I mean, every day was a battle, bro. Just to talk shit. Like, who won today? You know we're going to play 10, 12, 15 pick-up games. He want to dominate that whole

set. He want to dominate that run. Just to watch how he took that, it just instilled a lot of me in the work that you got to put in to actually win a championship and to be at the level that he's at. But those are invaluable years that I would never pass up. The two years I got to be with him and be up under his umbrella and watch him work, especially at that age.

And I finally got me one in 06, so I was able to talk some shit back to him. But he's that person, like, you ain't never won nothing. If you ain't won nothing, you can't really talk shit to him. He about winning. What's those moments like, what's that? Like, what's those moments like? Like, being with MJ, and I hear this all the time.

I've been around him sometimes, and he just talk a bunch of shit. Oh, I was going to say, I mean, he just like us, man. He talk big shit, not a bunch of shit, big shit. But, I mean, how can you argue with him? You can't.

You got to, like, you got to find every good thing you got going on in life. You got to find everything you can, man. But I mean, it's a real moment. You got to think about it, man. We all grew up Michael Jordan fans, man. So to have an opportunity to be around him, to know him personally, to know his family,

know his kids, and be in his personal space was something that I always appreciated and always loved and valued to this day. You know what I mean? So you don't pass up those opportunities. And we all did. Myself, Mike Finley, Juwan Howard, Kieran Richardson, Bobby Simmons. Like, all of us had the opportunity of a lifetime

to be around him on a daily basis and work out and train with him. And it was special. And it was, you know, it was fun memories, man. On and off the court. For sure. You talk about those things. Were there any younger players

that were like almost an NBA or college kid that was around you? Have y'all seen, man, on and off the court. For sure. You talk about those things. Were there any younger players that were almost in the NBA or college kids that was around y'all, y'all seen like blossom after those runs? Ah, man. Bobby was one. Bobby comes up. Bobby ended up getting most improved. When he started, MJ took him to Washington with him.

I don't know if y'all know the story. So, he went to Washington with MJ and then ended up trading to Milwaukee. And then Bobby ended up turning to, you know, most improved. I think he won six, man, all that stuff. So to see him do that was one. And I think that came from being up on the mic too much. That's me personally watching it. Cause Bobby was always very skilled and MJ kind of like injected that into

him. Like you, you know, you could be better. You can be good. So that's the one guy that kind of, you know, sticks out to me like right off the top of my injected that into him. Like, you know, you can be better. You can be good. So that's the one guy that kind of, you know, sticks out to me like right off the top of my head that really benefited from that situation. For sure. I'll start with you in the situation. Y'all can both kind of relate to this. You know, having a base in a great franchise

for a long time, but then switch your teams the first time, you know what I'm saying, leaving Boston the first time, leaving the Hawks for the first time. How is that feeling? Like, I feel like you build something, he'll be a reporter.

It's like, all right, now I got to move on to start the next chapter of my career. What How is that feeling? Like, I feel like you build something, he'll build rapport. It's like, all right, now I got to move on to start the next chapter of my career. What's that moment like? Man, I ain't going to lie, man,

I'm going to keep it real. Man, I was crying like a baby. Like, I couldn't believe I got traded, bro. It was like, it was,

because I felt like we was just starting to like become one of the, you know, we did lose, we used to conference finals, we ended up losing the jersey, but we caught the New Jersey team

when they were, they get to the finals back-to-back. It was tough. J.K., K. Mark. But I felt like we was like, you know, that we was right there to like really turn the corner. So it hurt. Like personally, by myself, our crowd, like damn,

I didn't want to go nowhere else. You know, we had built so much there. We were starting to, you know, really get to that next level. And then to get traded, it was tough. But the best thing for my trade, a lot of people understand, I got a chance to go play with three great players. I got a chance to play with Mike Finley,

Steve Nash, and Dirk. And then Antoine Jamison was our sixth man. Damn. Y'all had a whip down there. Yeah, so you know what I'm saying? I went to a situation now, I knew I was going to win where and they didn't have to do it all. You know,

in Boston, you know, me and Paul felt like we had to go get 55, 60 a night. With that team, I didn't have to do that. We have four,

five guys that can get it done. So, that was different and that was a good situation but we just ran to that Sacramento team, man.

That last Sacramento run, y'all remember that last run? Zolotkovich, Webb, Mike Bibby, all of them. We ran to that last run? Zolotkovich, Webb, Mike Bibby. We ran to that last run. So we couldn't win, get over that hump. But that was, so I got traded to a safe, I would say a safe space.

Well, you know, sometimes you can go to a situation, you'd be down in Memphis at that time. It was bad. People went to die. I could have went back to Atlanta. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I could have went to a bad situation, but I went to a. I could have went back to Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? I could have went to a bad situation,

but I went to a winning situation, so I think that was, that's what helped me out a lot. Did you see that potential in Dirk? Yeah, he was tough. I don't know if I saw MVP,

you know, Dirk, at that time, but I saw the skill set. The game was changing, you know, when a big man can shoot the three, step out.

Because Dirk don't really got a lot of shake me down. Everything is pump fake, air fake. He legit seven feet. He getting it off with his arc and everything. You can see it though. He was starting to get his toughness. Him and Steve Nash had a great chemistry together.

I had to figure out how to play with them more so than them had to figure out how to play with them. More so than, you know what I mean, them having to figure out how to play with me. I had to, like, get in the corner, get some cuts, backdoor cuts. You got to, like, figure it out because everything was going through those two guys. A lot of people don't know, for the younger people watching this, Michael Finley was a dog. Oh, yeah, Mike was strong, too.

Mike was, Mike might have been the second-league scorer. Because, you know, Nash is more like a 15 to 15 type of guy. But I think Mike was the second league score on that team. Yeah. The squad. Yeah. We was good. And we had Travis Best too. Y'all know Travis Best was nice too. Oh yeah. We know him. Travis Best is dribbling the air out there.

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That's what I'm saying. That was lit. That was necessary. Yeah, it's crazy how it could change in months. But yeah, he laughing. So that next year was your last year? No. No.

I played my last year in the league. No, no, no. I'm talking about in Dallas. Oh, I did the one. Yeah, I did the one. Cube was like, yo, I got to get a point guard. I got traded for Jason Terry. That's how he came to the Hawks. Yeah. He came and blessed the city.

I got traded straight up for Jason Terry. That's how Jason Terry ended up there. And then I went and played half the year. Like I was telling y'all earlier in the cast, man, it was terrible. So I was like, man. And the funny part about it, the Celtics called me. So I was still really good friends with the equipment manager and people in the front office.

So me and Danny Ainge, we had some words in the paper and everything. So we wasn't on the same page. So they was like, yo, would you come back? I was like, yeah. I was like, immediately. Please come get me. Please come get me out here. Next thing you know, bro, I'm on the West Coast. They called me. It was like, man, they

traded back for me. So it was different for me because Doc was the coach. I want to say, I don't know if it was Doc's first year or if it was his second year. Was it 05? Yeah. 05, around that time. I don't know if it was Doc first year or if it was the second year. Was it 05? Yeah. 05, around that time. I don't know if it was

Doc first year with the Sevenths or the Sevenths. I think it was. Right, so Doc was the coach. But it was dope because they were like five or six games in the 500

and we won like 12 out of 13. Like, we took off. And ended up being the three seed and got upset by the Pacers. Yes, sir.

By you boys. We love the Pacers. I remember. Yeah, y'all beat us in seven games. They gave me the fake suspension, fight Jermaine O'Neal, the fake fight, like all that. That's crazy, man. Like, yeah, that's how I went.

And then that summer, I didn't sign back. The Celtics kind of low-balled me. And Miami offered me more money. So I signed with Miami. Is it true when you get to Miami, it's a real culture? That body fat shit? Yeah. I had my run-ins, bro. Yeah.

I ain't going to lie, man. That was on that with you? Yeah. So the first time I get there, so when I signed, he's like, he came and brought me in. So I played at, like, came and brought me in so I played at like probably between 255 260

he was like I need you at 250 and 10% body fat you got 30 days like it's like you got you know because training camp starts

so he's like you need to get down here figure it out I need you that's why I want you at my opening night so I basically had two months to get there and he figure it out. I need you, that's why I want you at my opening night. So I basically had two months

to get there. And he gave you a break until once the season starts, you got to weigh in every Monday. So every Monday you got to weigh in. So he gave you a number.

So your number may be, like I said, mine was, it had to be between 248, 252 at that time. And then it had to be 10% body fat. So you got to weigh in

every Monday. You got to be at those numbers. If you don't, you get fined. That's crazy. You ever been on a team where they had to be 10% body fat. So you got to weigh in every Monday. You got to be at those numbers. If you don't, you get fined. That's crazy. You ever been on a team where they had to check in? No. So how'd that go? I mean, I wouldn't have cared. I mean, it was cool. I had one episode that we didn't come in, but it was

me, Posey, and Shaq. Y'all know how skinny Posey is. How Posey make his? Yeah. He was in one of the moves. So I got suspended once for like three games. But yeah, he was on it every week. He used to be on it. That was like a pet peeve of his.

So you got suspended if you didn't make that? Oh yeah, I got suspended three games for it. My first year, my second year I did. Shit. Yeah, we got suspended three games. Shaq said he used to finesse it. I forgot his story. Yeah, with the baby on. Yeah. But Shaq, if you said he used to finesse it. I forgot his story. Yeah.

Yeah, with the baby on. Yeah. But Shaq, if you ever ask Shaq to tell you a story, Shaq always tells a story. Shaq, when we played, was like 320. Yeah. If you ever look at it. But Shaq said he played in the Lakers at 370. God.

That's what he said. I mean, I don't know how true it is, but Shaq said he played with the Lakers at 370. 370 might be it. No wonder they had five centers per team. 370's probably taxing. And then Shaq was MVP. Yeah. So he won the most a couple times at that weight. Yeah, he was a motherfucker.

Yeah, at that weight. So, yeah, him and Shaq used to bump heads a little bit about that. Yeah. A little bit. He said he used to skin him about that weight. Yeah, at that weight. So, yeah, him and Shaq used to bump heads a little bit about that. Yeah. A little bit. He used to skin him about that though. He said, well, I'll put that baby oil on me.

Smooth, smooth cool it up. That's where D.B. got it from. Yeah. Yeah. Slip right off of him. You did a body fat with it. You did a body fat with it.

That's some smart shit though, Twine. You should have tapped in. You should have got them jobs done. The baby a body fat with it. That's some smart shit, though, Twine. You should have tapped in. You should have got them jobs. The baby office, that's crazy. I was like 8.2 or something. I wasn't like off, man. Man, I changed my life for that. Yo, I had a full-time cook.

I was eating good. Like, you had to like, you got to buy in. Yeah. Like, you got to buy in to keep it up. So, like, I mean, me, when I went to Miami, you know, we going out. We going to see Booby Trap, whatever it is. Like, living there and playing there and knowing, you know, we going out. We going to see Boobie Trap, whatever it is. Live.

Like, living there and playing there and knowing that you got a body fat thing every Monday. What's that like? Do y'all go out? Man, we did. I ain't going to lie. I'm going to tell you this. The staying room became my best friend. Oh, okay.

The staying room. Like, that was a big part of my resume. But, yeah, we had to go out. Man, how you going to not go out? We in Miami. And then, you know, I was a big part of my resume. But yeah, we had to go out, man. How you going to not go out? We in Miami. And then, you know, I was in Miami when Live first started. So it was just getting popping. Like, everybody was just starting to come there.

And then it used to be turnt up. I tell people I never partied and played basketball, bro. Like that in my life when I went to Miami. Can't help it, man. It's 85 degrees outside. January 15th, 85. You know, everybody in town. So I outside. January 15th, 85. You know, everybody in town.

So I had to discipline myself. So I started doing like this. And then you got friends on every team. So everybody call you. And they don't care about winning. They don't even care about Miami got the best kept secret in the world. Home court events. They don't even care. They calling like, yo, I want

to get out. So you got to go out. That's the night I don't drink though. I'm going to go out. I'm going to take you out. But I ain't going to drink that night. I'm going to try not to drink that night. You got to do it on your own.

Wait till they gone. That was Atlanta though. Everybody come to Atlanta. Especially the West Coast teams. They come for that one game that year. Everybody be drunk. Everything. Next time,

we knew we was going to beat y'all by 20. Oh yeah, you definitely got an advantage. Oh, yeah. You definitely got an advantage. Yeah. Oh, definitely. They going to get wasted. Everybody coming.

That's the only thing about it. The tough part about playing there, you got to have discipline. You have to discipline yourself. It's just nice every day, man. You know, you're coming out of practice, 85 degrees.

It's hard. You play good in Miami, though. Yeah. I play like 12, 13, yeah. Something like that. But, you know, I caught the in Miami, though. Yeah. You tried for like 12. 13, yeah. Something like that. But you know, I caught the prime D-Wade. Yeah.

That D-Wade that was... The 36. Yeah. Yeah. That's the greatest finals ever, bro. I caught the active D-Wade. You think that's the greatest finals ever? D-Wade.

You know, we talk our shit. We love you, D-Wade. You know what I mean? You kiddin' folk. But his finals performance is the greatest of all time, bro. Man. Better than Dirk's.

Yes. That's tough. D-Way average, I might be off. You know, I'm a guru. Let me help you out. Yeah, it's 35. How'd y'all start the series off?

0-2. 0-2. Yeah, so far. 0-2. Bro, we did it in Miami, and shout out to Twan and them, but he, this old so far. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2.

O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2.

O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2.

O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2.

O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2.

O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2. O2.

O2. O2. O2. It was something special. And then Giannis. Giannis did go crazy. But Giannis missed the first game. Oh. His performance, he was killing it. He know how to shoot free throws that whole series. It was terrible before that. Brian.

Oh, that makes sense. That's right. That 3-1. I would love to see where Kyrie's on that list, too. That's the best. That's the best. Shout out to Brian. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's the best. Come back to that team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think the NBA is really. I would love to see where Kyrie's on that list, too. That's the best. That's the best. Shout out to Bron. Yeah, I'm sorry.

That's the best. Come back to that team. But I think the NBA is really... I gotta rethink that. I forgot about Bron since 2016. Man, D-Wade was ill, bro. Nah, he was killing shit. Yeah, and y'all ain't saying he's sad,

but I'm just saying that, bro, him averaging that, like, on that team, bro, at such a young... His third year in the league, bro, and willing y'all to the finals like that, bro. Come third year in the league, bro, and willing y'all to the finals like that, bro. Come on, man.

And what's so fire about y'all team? Y'all had a lot of, like, savvy and good vestiges. Was J. Will? What's that, Shane? Side point guard. Yeah, J. Will was good.

What was good for D. Wade, and a lot of people don't know this, was GP. I was going to say GP. Even though GP was older and wasn't the same GP, but GP allowed D. Wade not to have to guard the main score, the two guards.

GP guarded them late. A lot of people don't know that GP closed most of the games out. J. Will obviously started and everything, but GP closed a lot of the games out so D. Wade didn't have to guard at the two spot. GP would guard those guys. And Posey, Posey was really good. Guarded perimeter guys too.

So that's what was special about that team. The way we was able to protect him where he could be him on offense. So what was your game plan for Dirk? Let him see different looks. You de-starred on him. I guard him. Pose guard him. Let him see like four or five different guys. It didn't really work. He still had a great series. looks, UD starred on them. I got them. Pose got them.

Let them see like four or five different guys. It didn't really work. He still had a great series. But, you know, you know how you can get used to one guy guarding. Yeah. We wanted to make sure he saw different bodies, different looks. You know what I mean? Like UD, you know, he's smaller.

UD like 6'6", 6'7". UD going to do a lot more front. Going to front him a lot more than maybe I will. Yeah. You know what I mean and so it's just like Posey obviously you can't put on the floor with Pose

Pose had good feet so we gave him a lot of different looks I think that was our that was our advantage for him and he still played great though yeah he still put up some numbers

but and it was good for the guys too because everybody had to have that assignment by themselves you know how sometimes you got to take that punishment by yourself

trust me I had D-Rose in the playoffs nobody else have to have that assignment by they self. Sometimes you got to take that punishment by yourself. I had D-Rose in the playoffs. Nobody else wanted to switch off on him. MVP D-Rose, I'm like, damn, Jamal switch. First time ever played in the playoffs, really. They didn't want to switch nothing, but it's all good. I was going to

ask you because I was a part of a championship team. We ain't had no after party. We won a chip. People went home with their families, ate chicken nuggets, shit like that.

What did y'all do when y'all won a chip? So we went in Dallas, which was not good, but okay. We went in Dallas. So Pat Riles, he went in the ballroom.

So yeah, guys had their families. So we started partying in there. DJ, food, everybody was kicking it. And then, so we told Riles, we want to go home. We want to go to Miami. Where it's lit. So we ended up leaving like six in the morning.

A lot of people don't know that. We flew back at six in the morning. The next, that morning, after partying, Riles was like, everybody get their stuff, pack your bag, leave your family here. They got to get home. We gone. And we went with it to Miami. We did,

you did Kings of Diamonds, man, Diamonds. It was Diamonds. I'm sorry. It was called Diamonds. We went to Diamonds the next night.

We spent about $150 in there, bro. The singles. But it was all of us, though. You know what that looked like? Yeah, bro. We went up there. We was on the stage with the dancers. Damn. But it was all of us, though. You know what that looked like, bro? Yeah, bro. My Lord.

We was on the stage with the dancers. Damn, Twan. Oh, man. He's like the fool. You had your jersey on? Nah, I had my jersey on. I had my jersey on.

I had my jersey on. I had my jersey on. 150 in singles was crazy. Yo, we went, we partied right there, bro. And then for me personally, I left them. After the parade,

I went on my 30-day hiatus, bro. I went 30 days, 30 nights. I don't act a fool. I thought you was going to get right. I got right. I was like, damn, I left out. Man. I grabbed my boy from college.

I grabbed my boy Joe from college. I was like, yo, we finna hit it. So I started in Chicago, had a draft party. I mean, had a championship party in Chicago and took off

and just hit all the high cities, bro. But went on tour after the rain. I went on tour, yeah. And I supposedly met the team. I don't care how crazy it was. So we got,

you know, when you win it, you get invited to the ESPYs. So we supposed to be the champion team to go to ESPYs, bro. I got alcohol poisoning. I killed myself.

I couldn't even, I couldn't even make it. I'm in LA in the bed at the Aspies. Couldn't even get, couldn't even make it with the guys, man. I missed the Aspies that year.

What day was that? Was that day 25 or something? About day 20. Because you know, the Aspies like, in the July. Yeah, that's why I was asking. So I was like,

like day 20. No, I'm trying to go 30 days. I'm not fronting. I'm trying. go 30 days. No, I'm not fronting. I'm trying. And I ain't no, I'm going with a college-era pro, but you couldn't tell me nothing. Yeah.

That's hard. You remember that song, The Champ is Here? I used to have a DJ. I'd give him 100. The champ is here. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Man, that was my thing right there, man. I had a ball, boy. I never won no championship. The NBA champ? After hearing all those stories, I was there, man. I had a ball, boy. I never won no championship. The NBA chip? After hearing all those stories, I was like, man, I enjoyed myself. I don't know what everybody else did.

I know what I did. Y'all squad had a lot of people who was looking for that first ring, too, so that was super dope to see how y'all celebrated that situation, man. Alonzo probably was the happiest I was for, man.

Because a lot of people don't know, and I'm surprised nobody ever talk about it. You know, to see him, bro, he was taking like 80 pills Because a lot of people don't know, and I'm surprised nobody ever talked about it, you know, to see him, bro, he was taking like 80 pills a day to make it, you know, because for this kid, he was strong. So to watch him every day, you know what I'm saying, had to take the pills and go through all of the treatment

he had to do just to play that season, was special for him. Like, you know, for all of us to see him actually get one. That's what I really felt it for. Like, because, man, a lot of us would have just retired. A lot of people wouldn't have went through that and challenged their health and endured their health in that situation to play basketball.

He was obviously a big part of our team and what we was doing that year. So to see him go through that and get one for him, it was special. Oh, that's dope. That is dope. That's fire, man. Yeah, that man used to take them pills like Skittles man. Yeah, that man, he used to take them pills

like Skittles. I'm like, man, he used to have to take like 40, 50 pills a day just to keep his numbers. So after the game, we all leave and he back there

with the trainer, with the doctor, making sure his number's right so he can leave. Like, you know, outside the games and stuff like that. So that was special

to be a part of that. Yeah, I would've. But I can't even swallow one. But you know, most of the guys would've quit. I would've quit. I can't even swallow one. But you know, most of the guys would have quit. I would have quit. I ain't going to lie.

I would have been like, yes, I would have. I can't even take a tall now. Meet you on 50 kills is crazy. To see him come back, man, to see him be a part of that and play a huge part in what he did for us, man. We love the game. Shout out to Zoe, for sure. That was the one guy that was special to see him enjoy that championship.

For sure, man. We talk about you and Savannah, the game. Who are some young players from my drill, your game, or some of the young players you rock with out right now? Right now in the league, I ain't going to lie, I love watching. He's not, I mean, we don't play the same position, but I'm loving watching Anthony Edwards right now. I tune into him every night, every time I get a chance.

Obviously, you know, I'm a little biased, but I love them boys, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Yes, sir. Watching them, especially over the last couple years, and getting to know them personally, being around the organization. I love what they're doing up there. And then I'm still a Giannis fan, man. I still like Giannis, man.

I still like what Giannis is doing in Milwaukee. People get bored with greatness, kind of. Because he's been doing the same thing for so long. And then the regular guys, you know what I mean? I still appreciate KD, you know what I mean? What he's doing on a daily basis. Now, obviously, I know they're not having as much team success, but I'm a little biased to guys that's 6'8

to 6'10 that can shoot and put it on the floor. They're kind of my favorite guys. I'm starting to fall in love now with Carl Anthony Towns, man, over the last two years. He's balling. You know what I mean? The way he's transformed his game now and mixing and matching, you know,

with the three and going inside now. So I'm loving what he's doing over the last couple years. So them are the guys I like watching and tuning in to. It's the guys that, you know, that are versatile. And, I mean, I think for this game now, I do still believe the point guard position is the guys that, you know, that are versatile. And, I mean, I think for this game now, I do still believe the point guard position is the toughest. Yeah. I think every night you don't get a night off.

You think the league is in good hands, though, post LeBron, and then when they done, hang it up? Yeah, because I think it's more balanced. I think even if you look at the records now, it's no real, you know, complete domination. You know what I mean? You ain't got nobody. I know a couple teams know what I mean? You ain't got nobody, I know a couple teams

got decent records, but you ain't got nobody really dominating the league where you know they're going to be. It was that one stretch and you guys knew that. We knew Golden State

and Cleveland was going to be in the finals. I mean, that stretch we knew. No matter what went on, we knew LeBron was coming out the East and we knew when nobody beat

Golden State. You don't think Boston got a landslide over everybody? I do, but I think they're vulnerable. Obviously, I am biased. I do believe they got going on. I like the additions

they made. I like their first seven to eight guys are really good. I think Jason Tatum has a chip on his shoulder. I think if he can win a chip this year after how the thing happened in Olympus,

I think would be speak values. Because I know we would have to play a big part in them to actually win it. Oh, definitely. But it's just,

I think it's more balanced. Yeah. I mean, I think, which is good for the league. I don't, I'm not a big fan

of the end season tournament. I'm a little old school. I know sometimes people I'm not a big fan of the in-season tournament. I'm a little old school. I know sometimes people say that, but I like the ground of the 82-game season. And I think, you know,

when you start putting the money emphasis just for the tournament, I think it still devalues it. You know what I mean? Because that's what it's really for. Guys are like,

okay, well, I ain't getting half a million. I won the part of that. You know what I mean? I don't think guys are taking it that serious. But I like, okay, well, I didn't get half a million. I won the part of that. You know what I mean? I don't think guys are taking it that serious. But, I like the 82 game season grind, man.

I like the original way. That's grind for 82. Who can stay healthy? Who can put together their runs? Who can stay focused? I like that. And that's one thing people discount a lot.

They're just like, well, it ain't always the best team to win. It's the team that's most healthy. Well, that's a part of, like, playing the 82 game season

is you have to do all these things to win. It's not easy that's most healthy. Well, that's a part of, like, playing an 82-game season is you have to do all these things to win. It's not easy to win a championship. Yeah, and then you watch the tournament, and then you see some of the guys that 11th to 15th man get an extra half a million. You feel real good. You know what I'm saying? So that's the part that you love about it

because those guys, you know, guys making the league minimum and stuff like that, so you feel good for those guys. So it's nice in that sense, but just as a basketball guy, I still like the 82-game season ground. I do like cutting the preseason down. Those games don't mean anything. Nothing at all. I'm sorry, man.

Because it's different now, bro. I remember when we used to go to training camp, bro, it used to be 22, 23 guys in camp. So you can actually be your guys a day off, your main guys. Now guys are coming to training camp with just their roster. so you can actually be your guys a day off your main guys but now guys are coming to training camp with just their roster so that's why

I think it makes it you know it's a little different now they ain't bringing 22, 23 guys to training camp no more I was going to ask you I know you had a quote

they asked you why you shoot so many threes and you said because there's no fours how do you feel about the league now like you see Boston shooting

that's one of the hardest courts I've ever seen. I swear. But Boston, on average, I'm going to shoot 48 to 53. It's a game. Yeah, I know. They just shot 69. So how do you feel being a guy who said it wasn't enough? Actually, I'm hating, bro.

For real? Yeah, because I took so much punishment. Two years back to back, I think I took so much punishment. You know, two years back to back, I think I led the league in three-point attempts and that used to kill me. They killed me. The media would kill me.

I think I shot like 600 and something twice and they, I would get negative write-ups about it and now I see it now as such a big part of the game. It's like,

the championship team is like their biggest weapon. You know what I'm saying? So in that sense, no, you'd be hating like damn. And then I wonder like damn, if I could play in this damn era, I probably left $100 million on the table. For sure. You for sure did. You know, I left money on the table if I could play in this era. So I'd be hating in that sense.

But I like it. I mean, it just depends. I think it can get a little carried away. I do hate the fact that nobody's posting up. No, that's not the game. Like, nobody's posting up. Yeah. And I do hate that part because we did have some great low post players,

guys that can post up. Everybody. Yeah. You know, you used to have good point guards that can post up. Now nobody wants to post up. Sam Cassell. Sam Cassell.

Mark Jackson. Andre Miller. I do hate that part of it that we don't have no guys that can post up. You paved the way, though. I was a part Mark Jackson. Andre Miller. I do hate that part of it, that we don't have no guys. You paved the way, though. I was a part of it. Yeah, you were a part of it. But I look at, when I see, like, Carl Anthony Towns,

and I see other big guys making threes and they're a big part of it, I feel good. I be like, yeah. I mean, you get to see that because you see more guys being able to step outside and make it. I mean, shit, look at Wimby. Wimby crazy. 7'5".

He's made it in the chamber. He's shooting 15-3's. And you see, I mean, obviously we know Pop has been sick, but who ever thought we'd see a guy on Pop's team shooting 15-3's? Never thought I'd see that. Yeah, straight up. I wanted to ask you too, who was your favorite teammate, man, your whole career?

Who was that guy that you was— My favorite— Favorite teammate, man. Man, probably Paul. Probably Pete. Yeah, because we got to spend the most time together. We went through that grind of trying to get the Celtics back to respectability. But I think more importantly, me and Paul hung out a lot off the court.

And you guys know this. Jeff, you know that. A lot of guys sometimes, we'd be teammates, but you don't really hang out. Yeah. But me and Paul got to really spend a lot of time together. Our families, Paul would obviously come up here and support me in anything I'm doing. I'm going to support him. And so we built a real special bond.

So that's probably my favorite. That's why a lot of people give me a hard time, even like D-Wade. When they ask me, y'all remember the comparison between him and D-Wade and stuff like that? It's tough for me because I mess with D-Wade on the creative good friend,

but then me and Paul, like brothers, you know what I'm saying? So it makes it hard. So I have just that much respect for him. But just the grind, the grind we went through

every day, man, was especially trying to get that story franchised back to respectability. And it's crazy now we don't see each other a lot but when we in Boston together

we pick right back up you know what I'm saying like clockwork how did y'all go about like who like I know you say y'all games never gotten in the way

of each other but was it like moments where you're like shit Paul don't pass that one before it keeps shooting at her oh yeah

all the time yeah yeah like that like I was never like I was all like like, trying to win. Like, and his skill set different than mine. You know what I'm saying?

So you got to respect God's skill set. Yeah. Paul, one of those guys, like, you know, he can go for 25 in the quarter. I wasn't the guy that can go for 25 in the quarter.

I could score. You know what I mean? I could have my moments, but that wasn't ever my thing. Paul had, he can get to the foul line. You know, I was one of those dudes that get 20 texts a year, so refs want to mess with me.

You know what I mean? I'm going to get 20 texts a year. You know what I'm saying? Pay the fee. Yeah, so I'm one of those dudes. So Paul, out of respect, he's going to get to the line. So I would defer to Paul, like, bro, you're going to get to the line. You can get two. Like, I respected the fact of that. And I just knew,

and I love this competitiveness. That's what I think we really hit home at. We both were super competitive. Paul, when that one to go at Kobe, Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, he loved them matchups. That's what he looked forward to. And you look at his numbers against those guys, bro.

He got those two. He got real numbers. I used to run that play. I don't know what it was. Kyle. Come up. Yeah, he'd come running in. Come back across the middle.

I used to be like, that's a bucket. They going to get a foul or a bucket every time. Foul or bucket. I'm going to either throw it over the top. He going to tell me. He going to let me know with his hand. If he tell me he do this, he want it over the top. If not, if you steal him, throw it in the middle.

Yeah. Yeah, I get three assists a game like that. That's true. All right. They used to run that ice. Boy, we had DraftKings back in the day. That's the insight for our need. I got a champion with the plays.

I'm going to get three assists a game off that. But no, Paul, man, to me, I mean, I know you're going to go in the Hall of Fame, but he's one of the most underrated players. So when they had that conversation, I get a little upset about those conversations because he is in that conversation. You can take your pick on who you like. That's not for me to judge

or what you like, but he in that conversation. He may not have national commercials and the national notoriety sometimes of those guys, but nah, he in that conversation.

Most definitely my whole family without a question. You know, it's like Mello. You know, a lot of times people don't talk about Mello and that, he in that, them guys in that conversation. Most definitely a Hall of Famer without a question. Yeah. You know, it's like Melo. You know, a lot of times people don't talk about Melo. He in that, them guys in that conversation, them are killers. First ballot of life. Question of life killers.

Like, put that ball in the hole for real. In different ways. Like, so I'm like, so I get upset sometimes because I know nationally and the media gives the D-Wades and, you know, the LeBron James and all those guys the recognition. But I think they appreciate that more from their peers, like you and Jeff, people who played against them. They give them their flyers to, you know what I'm saying?

Paul Pierce, man, and like the Mellon Blues. I got the utmost respect, and I got to see it day to day. You got a guard Mello in the post? Oh, yeah, early. I got the early Mello, Denver Mello. I was at Dallas. Oh, shit. I got that guard mellow on the post? Oh yeah, early. I got the early mellow. Denver mellow. I was at Dallas. I got that Dallas mellow four times. That raging bull. I got him four times.

He was a bull in a china shop, bro. Young mellow, that was wicked. How was that? How'd you prepare for that? What was that like, bro? I mean, I didn't have to play D and Dallas. I didn't play play D and Dallas. You know what I mean? I ain't play no D and Dallas. We ain't play no D and Dallas.

That was a game. Hey, we play zone and Dallas. We play zone, bro. We had Sean Bradley. You know Sean Bradley, 7'6". Oh, Christmas tree. Yeah, he get in there. We play 2-3 zone.

So I got to wait. 2-3 in the league is crazy. Yeah, see, we play 2-3, bro league is crazy yeah see he's playing 2-3 bro yeah you know Dirk wasn't guarding nobody he was leading

to the basket damn for sure man man you know that you know Dirk I love Dirk Dirk know that but Dirk wasn't guarding

them premier forwards and small forwards and power forwards I wasn't his job you got them like man they never played no people

they sound like me nah for sure, man. Hey, man, I'll tell you a person quick. I learned how to take a charge. When I went to Miami, I'm like, man, I'm going to just put my body in front of somebody. You're telling me to go out Tim Duncan, KG, back to back? Nah, man, you can send me some help. I'm a front, though.

I learned how to front, and I learned how to take a charge. That was the best way to do it. You know you take a charge, they think you playing. Yeah, that's that fact, yeah. That's that, what we call it, false hustles. That was good. But you played, man. Jeff, you played with all the killers, boy.

God. Oh, yeah. I ain't play no decent. I'm going to everybody highlight tape. That's a fact, though. Hey, chill out. That nigga watching like look at this nigga

look at Paul Goofy yeah but you was in an era where the point guard might have been the best position in the league wasn't it

yeah that started we talked about the other day every team had almost an all star point guard yeah

I remember that that was the best position in the league yeah it was tough for you yeah like you got even guys that people

wouldn't even think was like that. You would be like, shit, you have a nightmare against them. Like young Kimba was a nightmare. Or like, let me think who was in Utah at the time. Darren Williams was in Utah. He was crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

He was unbelievable. Portland, you had B-Roy sometimes running the point. And then you still had guys like Andre Miller and all those dudes were still playing point guard too so oh yeah you had it tough yeah that was crazy

yeah I had it I thought I had it tough you had it tough because I had Ticket Tim Tim Duncan then you might get a Rasheed Wallace nah that's tough

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the best time against was Philly. He wasn't the same as Philly. Okay. He was really picking pop in Philly. Oh, yeah.

He wasn't really posting up in Philly. But yeah, I don't know, yeah, you had your nights. It's probably about 10 killers

at that power forward spot. I'm going to say about 15 at point guard. 15 or 20. If you had to get some sleep, you had to get your sleep. So, yeah, I was going to say, you played in the area with the best PGs, and you definitely had the best area power force. Yeah.

He didn't even think about it when I was thinking about position, but I knew his position because I always said for a long time that the point guard position was the best position in the NBA. Yeah. On a night-out, night-out basis. Like, you got to get your sleep. Like, you got to think about it every night. You got to. Man. Like, you might get a Mike Conley, night-out basis. Like, you got to get your sleep. Like, you got to think about it every night. You got to...

Man. Like, you might get a Mike Conley in his prime. Man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you would be like, we about to play the Grizzlies. Like, we play Mike. And you about to run.

And you about to... And then you might get Rondo the next day. That's the worst. Yeah. Because you got to block him out. Like... Yeah. Yeah.

I was... It's still... I don't know. What would you say the best position is now? I don't know. I'm still probably going to say PG. PG? Still got to be.

Still got to be PG. It's still elite point guards on each team. We just talking about who going to get snubbed from the All-Star game. You still got De'Aaron Fox. Might not make the All-Star team this year. Averaging 27. That's crazy. Lomelo averaging 30.

You see, he first in fan vote. He going to get in the All-Star game what happens is with All-Star now especially once the starters get selected they just start going by records the coaches go by records

they don't really go we can't do that Twan no I said the coaches go by records they who pick they's who pick it that wouldn't be who I pick it to me an All-Star is a guy if you ain't talked about

and the scheme ain't to stop you on the board, you're not an all-star. This is an NBA nigga right here saying the same thing. I don't care about who wins. Tell them why. They ain't coming to see me.

I'm Otis. Nah, you are. You are Otis. You are Otis. You are Otis. I'm David Ruffin. David Ruffin and the Temptations. I just did this on myself.

So you want me to ask you a question? What? So y'all and Andy. Sir. Y'all point guard. Tyrese Halliburton. Yeah. That's his point guard.

Yeah, I just live there. Not this year, unfortunately. Yeah, so that's what I'm talking about. Not this year. But he's still like that, though. He's a good player. He's a good player.

He's a good player. Hell yeah, Tyrese is fire. But he had a lot of, a lot happened to him in a year and a half. He was contract, all-star team,

Olympic team. Mm-hmm. He getting 17 a night, bro, right now. Told you I'm a basketball. I watched the game. He's 17 a night now.

He ain't, I mean, it's supposed to be going here. He's 17-9 now. He ain't, I mean, it's supposed to be going here. It's starting to come back down. Yeah, it's been real spooky. I think he going to get back to it, though. He just hit a little slump. He be killing his last. He hit a slump.

He hit a slump. Well, he'll be back, but like you said, Eason Point Guard, you look at Jalen Brunson. He got to leave, though. He got to leave Indiana. Hey, we about to wrap this shit up.

No, we not. No propaganda. We appreciate you, Tuan. Yeah, we get up out here and we start to pace it. Hey, though. He got to leave in the end. Hey, we're about to wrap this shit up. No, we're not. No propaganda. We appreciate you, Antoine. Yeah, we get up out here and we start to pace it. Hey, hey. We're not standing for nothing. Nah, but we appreciate you pulling up, man. Like we said, long time coming. We appreciate your support. Maybe it was early

on, but to support this podcast. Y'all, different stuff, man. We need a good podcast out here, man, to talk about the game the right way. And y'all interview real guys. Y'all ain't looking for the story. Y'all looking for the guys that have impacts in the game.

That's great, but I ain't against other guys that do do it and chase the numbers, but you guys still bring a good perspective to it. So in the big space, this podcast space,

y'all doing a good job, man. We like to interview people that we actually like. That's what I'm saying, bro. That's what I'm saying. Y'all bring it in a different space. That's why I like it.

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