Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Bill Bellamy on HOOPING with Penny Hardaway, comedy shows, MEETING R. Kelly

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

We’re back with Season 4, Episode 18 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, and B Hen are joined by Bill Bellamy, where he tells stories about becoming a comedian and actor, playing basketball with Penny Hardaway and Larry Johnson, and meeting and partying with R. Kelly. Bill then talks about his favorite hoopers in today’s NBA, and gives his take on the LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan NBA GOAT debate.All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet#VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think I had every kind of trap phone. No, for real, for real. Because back then that Boost Mobile joint was hot. We had the Star Tech joint. We had the, remember the one that you turned? Side kicks? The sidekicks? Am I telling my age? No, no.

We had sidekick. Yeah, the sidekick was really the first eyeball. Oh, God, it was. Yeah, because the cast was in the hood. Like, hey, man, wait till I turn this motherfucker though. Oh, very funny. That shit was fun to him. Hey, man, shout to the good people over here, Boost Mobile.

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It should do some blasts on my far left. We got my dog, Bishop, B, here, and out the prayer leaves. what, nasty. Tadden, man. Glad to be here today. We got a, it's going to be a good one. We got a legend on the show. Now, listen, this is, you know what I'm saying?

He's our resident chef in the building. You know, we always criticize my man, Jeff, about his food takes and the stuff that he decides to do in, like, nice establishments. He puts ketchup on steak, and he's been finding some support out here. We want to see how do you feel about that? You know, it's very, it's very hood. I see where J.T. coming from, you know what I'm saying? Because ketchup really, and it's got to be Hines. I ain't never been a hunts cat.

You know what I'm saying? Hines go with everything, bro. So, like, I'm trying to peep game. Like, okay, if he in a nice restaurant, you got to hide it, though. He's going to throw out of him. Oh, damn. From the bottom. You can't be able to ask you.

So if you had a place in L.A., like you in L.A., you had steak 48. You actually, can I get some ketchup? Yeah, I just got to catch up. And you ain't got no fries. No, where it's... Oh, yeah. Okay, just, okay, so he ain't just all the way projects with. No, he's lying.

He's lying. Bro, you'd be a little side of ketchup. So do you, do you, do you get steak sauce at all? Do you do? Because I don't like, like, honestly, I like A-1. No. Top tier. I get it area now.

I got it, like, one time we went out there. You don't do, you don't do the Hines 57 junk? Ooh. Because that one, that one's got a different taste. Like, that's a little bit more tangy. No, no. He's like that. He just won't catch you.

I just want to catch you. Yeah, he's going to keep his Section 8. Still to my right, my dog, Young Nacho, Young Teague, how you what? I'm good, man. They're talking about the ketchup already. It's going to be a legendary pie, man. We got a legend in the building, man. Thank you, man.

I appreciate you. Come on, man, like we said, man. Legend in the building, man. He's been around our entire lives entertaining us, man, movies, TV, comedy. We got the one of Mr. Bill Belmont in the building. Big dog. We appreciate your slide, man. Man, I'm excited to be here.

with y'all man i like what y'all doing that they don't tell y'all like where the podcast is though see that's the thing that's scary about like these podcasts because you think everyone is going be in this high-rise building like when you come to you got to want to come to y'all because when you roll up it looked like an episode of bmm i'm like yo what season though because it's it's it's bad the streets is live right now so when it's because the funny part when we pulled up i was like When we turn the court, I was like, I don't think they're here. Because this is a weird house up. It looked like the joint where you drop off the keys and you roll.

But when you come inside this souvenir, I'm just joking. This is a commission repair building, for sure. They always say your first house hit your best house. Right, right, right. Y'all on your way up. I feel you. I feel you. For sure.

Man, listen, appreciate you pull it up, man. We got so much to talk about. Let's just stay to it, man. You're a hooper, man. Yes, sir. Now, I got right here, be here, you know what I'm saying? He's been going around playing a lot of celebrity podcasts. And shout out to top billion.

You do y'all thing. Are y'all trying to jump into space, man? What's going on? We got three out three or two on two. Listen, listen, like, I'm still hooping relatively good. Like, I ain't, I ain't really explosive like I used to be. Like, if I cross you one or two times, I ain't got no more left. Because I just don't have this pop, pop, pop.

I used to have a pop pop, ha. Now, I got, ha. And then I'm going to sit down. Like, you know what I'm saying? Now I'm jump shot, I'm mid-range, you know what I'm keeping it simple. Because, like, unless I play with cats that really who, I'd be nervous at these LA fitnesses and stuff now because it's always like them three, four dudes, they never play organized basketball, nowhere, they run into you, they undercut you, they undercut you,

they run right into you with their whole head. That's a fact. You got to play, like, kind of like, safety-wise, you know what I mean? I want to make it to play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to get out. I wanted to, I wanted to cardio at this point, but like, before COVID, it used to be official in L.A. I used to play up in Santa Monica College on Sundays when I wasn't working, and Baron Davis would be up there. About to be there.

Paul Pierce, I seen him up there a couple times back in. Who else was up there? Crazy. What's my man? He always smiling, man. He played for the Lakers. He got in trouble. He was dating, uh, he was dating, uh, Izzy, Izzy.

Nick Young. Yeah, Nicky Pete. Swaggy Pete. I love Swaggy Pete. He talks so much trash. I love, I love Swaggy Pete. He always smiling why you talk a trash. Fucks.

No, that's a wild hoop session. B-D. Paul Pierce, then Nicky. And a few gang gang members mixed in that hoop. You're like, it used to be live, oops, man. And if you lose, you'd be mad because they had the three courts. So, like, you're trying to make it to the middle court. And if you lose, you, oh, my God, you'd be way,

you might have to wait like five, six games. That's how good it was. Who the best celebrity that you didn't say, who? In all your years in this. You about 30 years in this space. I'm talking about 30 years in this space. Yeah, I'm going to tell you right now, right now, off the top, Chris Brown. Okay.

I would say Breezy is probably one of the most athletic guys that I didn't know was that athletic. Like, we used to play the Entertainment League in L.A. And he was playing, and he was really good. flex what about tank tank tank can actually play but he played football basketball oh he used all his fouls in the first quarter oh yeah oh my god take be fouling the shit out you okay and then he'll sing to you so it's weird no but no no but for real tank can play uh oh who else i played with that was pretty good um that shocked me uh uh Jalil White.

Okay. Yeah, he said he could play. Yeah, Jolil can play. All right, we win in between you and him. Me and Jililil, yeah. We've had some really good battles. It just depends. Now, I kill him.

But a couple games he caught me slippy. Like, Jililil is tricky because he's like, he's kind of like, unexpected quick. You know what I mean? Because he could get by you real quick and whatever. He's not jumping over. You know, but he got, he got speed, like, and he knows how to get to the Cubs. So I'll give him respect, you know what I'm saying?

Growing up in Jersey, you know what I'm saying? Ruckers, man. Yes, sir. Some of your favorite, Hooper's growing up, or, you tapped in with Rutgers basketball at all? Yes, yes, yes. So I got to take you back. So y'all was probably, like, in third grade then, but some of the best Rutgers players that when I was at school, we had John Battle. John Battle was a guard that made it to the NBA.

Roy Henson. I know Roy. He worked with the NBA for a long time. He played, did he play in Atlanta? Yep. Yeah, I think so. I don't know why that popped in my head. I'll see anybody else made it to the league.

Not in basketball, but in football, we have Ray Rice. Yeah. We had Ray Rice and maybe another other football player that made it. But not many guys that I knew during my span made it. But I played with a lot of great streetball players. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Back in the day, like when I was.

first came in the game in the early 90s, it was nothing to play, not to play in the summer league. Like, if you could hoop, you could get on the team. You know, that was, that was a big deal in the East Coast. Like, Summer League was big. So, like, if you knew somebody or you hoop, you could probably get on a team and be, like, you know, coming off the bench or whatever, but you could play. You know, I mean, they would let, like, cats that they knew play. But one of the best street hoopers I ever seen in my life outside of skip to my loo guard-wise was this dude named Alliemo. Oh, yeah.

Black, God. Damn. I've never seen nothing like that in my life. He was six, eight, blue black. Oh, God. He had everything. I mean, it was like, let me give you like, 92, 93.

I will never forget this, bro. He might have shot. He might have went 15 for 15. Like, it was just unbelievable. He was scoring on every way. Pullback. floater from the three going through

Dunkin. I was just like, yo, he's unguarded like, it was a show in a show and he was doing like moves that you ain't seen before. Yeah. Like he was doing euros then and we didn't even know what to call it. Like he was doing tricky street shit. Did he travel? We was like,

yo, yo! He was one in a oh, oh! That's a New York legend for the show. Yeah, he was good. He said he definitely watched basketball. You know, I mean. I remember playing in a game with Skip, right? And now everybody, this is when we had no, back then, you know, we had the T-mo, you know, we had the little trap phones and shit.

So it wasn't no internet and shit. But in New York, Cass was talking about Skip. They was like, yo, man, don't look, don't look at him. Don't look at his waist. You can't guard him. He got it on a string, and you was like, what? And he was like, yo, I swear to God, bro. If you look at him, he's going to put you on the ground.

Oh, my God. bro I was trying to guard this dude it was like bro I went on everything I was over here I was over there I was like yo man go get him bro hey yo my man go get him you know that's when you know you can't guard

hey my man I'm good you played him at a rucker we played at a it was in New York like it used to be so many great celebrity like Summer League Jones it was it was really an interesting time in the early 90s because

the rucker was The Rucker was must do, but all the pros was there. Like, you couldn't play at the Ruck unless you was a pro. Like, I never played a Rucker like that. But the Rucker was dope to go to. Did you ever go to the Rucker? No, I never was able to make it. Like, we go, like, when we visit, but I wanted to ask.

You wanted to see somebody play. I wanted to go see a real EBC matchup. I want to hear Duke on the mic, talking shit. Everybody was coming through the Ruck. Did you do it? No, I ain't play at the Ruck. You ain't never want to? Yeah.

I played that Dykeman. I ain't played at the wrong. Well, Dyckman is dope, too, though. But it's the same thing, but the Rucker was just more of a, you know, a New York kind of, like, historic thing. Like, from when Kobe put up crazy numbers, Katie came through, like, everybody who was, Brian, did Brian ever do it?

Oh, I don't know. He was supposed to play that blackout game. He was supposed to do the Fad Joe versus Jay Z, but something had happened. What, the blackout? Well, did you remember, like you said, Fat Joe, JZ, see that? That was the kind of error we was in where it was like ballers, guys who were like, Good Hoopers with pros. Yeah.

And I used to play in a lot of them. I remember one of my favorite games. I don't know why you making me think of this. One of my favorite games I ever played with pros was we played at University of Maryland. Penny was in the league. Larry Johnson was in the league. Scotty Pippen was playing. Yo, this is, let me tell you how crazy.

You out there? This is how crazy it was because you could play in the Summer League back then. the pros didn't have no restrictions. Yeah. And I played in the game with Larry Johnson, hurried his back. Damn. Yo, he took off.

You know how freakishly athletic Larry Johnson was? My mom was the first LeBron. Okay. Oh. Think about size, athleticism. I mean, he was probably one of the most athletic three-fours at that time. I get a bizarre comparison for him for Larry Johnson. I can see that.

But I'm just saying, like, When have you ever seen another athletic Larry Johnson? Especially back then, hell not. Let me tell you. It was so crazy, right? Penny was coming down, you know, and Penny was really nice, tricking, looking off alleys. You know, he was like, to me, a baby magic.

Yeah. So Penny came down, boom, boom, boom. There's some real quick shit and just threw it like this. L.J. came baseline, but it was a little behind him. He caught it and still made it. And then he just went down And everybody's like, oh shit He was rolling around

And that's he never been the same I remember the game And that's when they stopped letting him play Damn If it ever come up He'll remember Damn dog, you show D That's great

True story Bro bro I'm keeping it real We'll have some fun today Barbie will work today be here Where are at B? Pull up I need a drink

Hello hello Oh god damn This is for breakfast For breakfast, yeah. What you're having? What we got today, be? Old fashion. Okay.

We got to act like prestigious me. Okay, okay, we grown. Yeah, we grow. Stay going to catch up, you know what I'm saying? We still drink old fashioned around here, for sure. Now, be on this show, we like to play a lot of unnecessary videos on here. Okay, since you're here, we've got to have tradition. Go ahead and love the first one.

Shout to my guy, uh, Jermaine Jackson. He is a, well, we can start there. Jermaine Jackson is a constant topic on the show. Shout to our guy kept on stage. Now, be in here. he had a little clip by his hair. And we found out that apparently his hair on the side is not paint, it is his fro.

You know this thing. Let's go ahead and play the clip for more content. I can't. I can't take it. You can't help. It's so crazy. You could be giving us tonight's lotto numbers. The password to Sally May. How's he keeping

a straight face? How do we look up how old? He's got to be 70. You think he's 70? I'm going to say 71. How's Jermaine Jackson? 50 something, man. I don't know.

I'm going to say 71. I'm going 70. 71. What's all right? Oh, shit. I just threw that off the head. So he said the side of his hair behind, it's not paint.

It's his fro just smet it down. It looked like the stuff that you um do your roof with you know you know like when you get a leak and you don't want to pay the roofer you go get the patch what you're going to heat it you know

that's what it looked like you know like they'll be like you know the roof leak of going up there and he'll just lay his head on there that's what I'm talking about that shit like you got to heat that shit up in a ceiling

Hey, that's interesting. They're asking this shit, and you got to put the mom. You got to use a wet mom. Somebody here to do construction. He knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it's, how big is a bucket if a mom is like it? I think what he do is when they're there, I think whenever there's a construction site and they're doing it, he just go see that bucket and put his head in it.

And then we get in the car, he just lay it down. And it's a ponytail in the back. He got a ponytail. Oh, yeah. I thought it was just smooth all the eyes. Stop playing with me. If he ever came to my comedy show, I got a whole hour. I'll tag.

I will tag his ass up. You can never go to a comedy club of the hair. Oh, hell, no. He got a little weight. I don't understand the front, though. That's different. He cut that out. It's a tunnel.

Yeah, stupid. Now, Barbie. I don't look here in sugar daddy but if your sugar daddy had the hair like that If your sugar daddy look like that He better be taking care of you Like completely That got to be like you know what girl

I'm just I'm a ride it out You got three more years That's it I can do three I can do three I don't put in a hotel in form Oh you Listen

When you That's a beautiful hair Yo but the thing that is so interesting It's like You know And you know this shit You know Being in the league and shit

Some people just so eccentric, right? I'm like, Debo Samuos throw me off. Debo Samuos is so talented, right? But his gear be killing me. I don't never know which angle he went. Dubo-Wi. Yeah, he Debo bugged out with it. You know what I'm saying?

I'd be like, where is he going? He looked like he just got out of baby oil tub with he got chains on and lip gloss. All kinds. But he got, but he got a power now. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, that's crazy.

You pulled that pick up. You know, I did. You look at that, look at it. Depot don't care about you. That was out of pocket. This one right here with the thigh meat out. Yeah, that was. In the little black socks and whatever.

He was on his oozy version. Listen, it looked like people scared to say stuff. Yeah? Yeah. Because he looked like he bite. Depot, like you. You can't remember. Oh, man.

No, I'm just playing. How much is that taken to your show, though, like crowd engagement? I love that shit, that's what people want to hear. Like, comedians, we just want to be in the moment. Like, I got scripted shit that's really, really funny. But I love just being off the rip with it where, you know, I'm just thinking fans, you know. And that's the beauty of repetition of being, doing a lot of shows and stuff like that. But if Jermaine Jackson or Debo ever come to my show, stay in the back.

That's what I'm saying. How far back do you go? You mean hard? Like, no, I'm saying. Like if you're on stage, like, are you in that motherfucker in the back in the middle? If I can see you, it has to be, it has to be natural. Like, for instance, like, if I see it and I think it, I got to say it.

Like, that's just, you know, that's a rule, you know what I'm saying? You're both dangerous, man. Yo, you like that too? Yeah, Rosset or whatever. Yeah, that's what, but people love that about you. That's why Charles Barkley so damn funny. He's like, he's saying stuff on TV. He'd be like, what?

But it'd be funny because it's so honest. And I think the best comedic people do that. Yeah. Now, I want to ask you this. Would you go front row on your first date to a comedy show? Would I? Yeah. Depending on who I'm with.

Hmm. It depends on who I'm with. Damn. And it depends on how you dress to. If you look nice, nine times out of ten, you're not going to get hit. But if you think, think back when Def Jam came out, Martin was wearing the motherfuckers out. And if you had an outfit that was real crazy, Martin going right there. I think that makes it funny.

I think Martin might be the greatest of that. Yeah, he's the greatest of that. Martin didn't even have to do his set. Yeah. He was tearing, motherfuck. Yeah. I used to love that about Martin, boy. Woo.

That's yo. That's them there, yo. That's my class. Yeah, yeah, that's my class. That's crazy. Jamie in there, too. Jamie. Yeah.

I was on, I was on Joe and Jada and I said, yo, we really actually got the best comedy class ever, bro. I agree. Like, we probably 40 deep. We probably 40 deep in talent. Like, if you want to go through the lineup, it's crazy. You just said, we got Dave, we got Chris. got said, we got D.L. We got Chris Tucker, Chris Rock. D.L. Yulley.

We got this show childish, right? But you see, what I'm saying? And I'm Eddie Griffin. Steve Harvey. That's basically everybody that in comedy. That you grew up with. Yeah. That's definitely, yeah. That's right. Like Bernie Mac, when you know, we were shorties, when we was doing, and we were all, and here's the dopest thing about it for the cats that, you know, Bruce Bruce and I'm just rattling their names. It was the first time we ever got a chance to be TV star. to think about like we was making sitcoms back then that's true like so look at all of us

got shows like I had a big deal at NBC I got I was on the WB said and Steve was on the WV yeah um Jamie W&M was on Fox who was it who else had a show back then Martin Steve Martin was on Fox as well Steve Harvest

he said that over it yeah damn I'm drawing a blame Eddie Griffin Eddie Griffin had a show with Flex. They did us. Sure did. Homeboys and Space or something. No, it was it?

No, Elvis had a show. Malcolm and Annie. Yeah, yeah. So, like, there were a lot of opportunities that we got from being very funny. You know what?

That seems you said that because we talk about it all the time. Like, we don't have those same sitcoms. Like, you used to have those spaces. It's like... And look forward to it. Yeah, like, you got... Mikey has got this thing on Netflix.

But, like, is there a possibility that returned it or the time to have changed? They're just looking at a different direction now. No, I think we could do it now because, we want to see us. You know, that's why platforms like Tooby are doing really well in my opinion

because no matter whether it's good or bad, we still want to see us. If we were to put up good content, good shows, that's why podcasts are really good because people want to see us being funny and authentically us. So if we were to put up a great show

on any platform, people will watch it. I think so. I would watch it. I'm looking for, I'm watching reruns and shit. That's all I do. That's a fact.

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It was on MTV. Rock and jog, that's what it was. That was my shit, man. How old were you when you was watching? Man, I had to be. What year was that? From 92, from like 90s. 90, 91, 7, right, from 90, I was on MTV from 91 to 98, right?

Yeah, so we were doing it every year, and it got bigger and bigger. Yeah. And this is why I love the 90s. It was so dope because I got a chance to meet some of my favorite heroes, you know. Yeah. You know, I played ball with GP. Yeah. Kevin Garnett was fresh in the league.

Yeah. Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez. also the kid to play baseball, Ken Griffey Jr. Yeah. Man, it's like, who else played from, that was in the league? Is that Brian McKnight up there?

Brian Knight? You see me there? Who was in the middle right there? I wanted to be famous right here. That's when you wanted to be famous. Yeah, I wanted to do that. Because it was, it was silly. What was dope about Rock and Jock,

it was kind of silly, but we was actually playing, and it was actually this celebrity game, but we had all them bullshit baskets. Did you remember? Oh, yeah. That's what made it fun. Gary paid to this day got the most points ever.

Remember he had like 175 points? I remember that shit? Yo, he figured out how to get the 50. The 50 was way up there. And he did the 50 and it fell into 25. I was like, I want to get on this game so bad. I was like six or seven. That's dope.

You remember that's though. It was fun. That was a fun era. Real celebrity. But speaking to basketball, go ahead, load it up, man. My boy. Scott Van Pell, I'm going to start to hear out real tragic right here.

What happened? What is this? That showed two guys. He said, come on. He said, what? He caught himself. What God is good? The camera's rolling.

He almost crashed out. He said, what is love? Love is everything. I ain't never seen that before. When that happened? It's happened in New Jersey. Wow. Okay, they're just going to let it happen.

Okay. Let it ride. You got to. Love you want to love. I was going to ask, obviously, you've been doing comedy for so long. Has the guidelines kind of changed with assistance and things a little bit different? He can't even see what he's in. Are you crazy?

We can't say nothing. Yeah, Bernie Mac wouldn't have made it. Bernie Mac would have made it in. What the hell going on? Bernie would a crash out. The boys that acquired the church. Happy New Year. Bernie would a crash.

I remember the first time, this is so funny. I'm going to do it in a comedic way because it was the first time I ever seen it before, right? Yeah. So I forget it was the NFL Draft. I think his name is Mike Sam, Mr. S.C., everything worldwide. He was like, he was everything, right? So I was like, yo, because I don't, you know, I don't know anything.

So I'm like, I love sports. I love football, basketball, whatever. So I'm like, yo, my man, the SEC, he's moving like that. That's, dude, it's crazy. So I'm like, so I'm like, so I'm like invested in him. So I'm like this. I'm like, yo, I'm watching him. I'm like, yo, I know he's going to go big.

Because I was watching him kill. He was like a baby Lawrence Taylor, right? So I was like, dang, man, this dude Mike Sam wore. This dude, right? I know he's going top five, blah, blah, blah, right? So I'm watching the drag. And I had to say, I'm sorry. Look at your shit.

No, I'm being honest. It's so funny, right? It did. Because it just caught me off guard. So, you know, you don't smack that on that. So we had the crib, you know, we drinking and stuff. because I always watch the drive. You know, I'm keeping it $1,000, right?

So I'm like, oh, man, I know my man, Mike said, when pour something in this motherfucker, man. I know Sam about to get it. I know he's going to top five for drinking and he's stuff. And they say, give it up for Mike's damn. And then my man turned. I said, where are you going? And he kissed my man in the mouth with the cake.

I said. I just, yeah, I'm just down at that. Times have changed. I was like, okay. You know what? You just got to say, congratulations. We would love. Now, speaking about that, we could get off of it.

But you and Jamie Fox had him over like that on the episode. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We did. We did. We parted her. We did we partner. Whoa, wow, whoa.

You know. You remember I had the big toe? Oh, God. You know what's that thing But see, that's the thing that I love about the 90s in that era We could joke about stuff And not be offensive

But we should talk about You know, we push the line a little bit For sure. But now if you were to do That same thing on TV, man They might cancel your show I don't think that's fair I feel like we should be able to laugh

And like, you know As long as we're not being disrespectful You feel of me like We know we know what we're dealing with But I'm saying like In a respectful way humor is humor Everybody should be laughing, bro, like on some real funny shit.

Like, why is people like, oh, like I did a joke one time. I said, and I put this up, I was like, yo, man, whatever, whatever was wrong with you back in the day used to be your nickname. Like, think back when you was a kid and you was in the hood to be like, yo, you know, cross-side Larry, man. I ain't seen him, me, all right? It used to be whatever's wrong with you. Yo, club with Willie. Yo, he can't play today. Oh, okay, Miss Willie.

Willie, not coming out. No, no, his foot, his foot, something wrong with his foot today. It's like, you know what I mean? I mean, but Boleg and Shirley. Live, whatever you're thinking. Yeah, and you know, and we used to say midgets. You can't say that. Now you got to say little people.

Yeah. And I had a funny situation, right? With this little person. I want to say midgets so bad, but I shouldn't be drinking. So listen, I'm in a club, right? And I keep hearing a voice. So you know how the bar is like, We're tall guys, so the bar is probably hitting us like mid right here, right?

So I'm up here's loud, it's a lot of people. And I hear a voice say, help. I said, what's what's going on, man? You hear that? You, my man, can you help me? And I look down, this is this little midget lady. She said, I've been down here trying to get a drink. I said, are you serious?

You've been right there? That was you. She was like, yeah, I was saying help. I was like, you know, can you tell the bartender I need to drink? So I picked her up and put her on the counter. Like, and she said, thank you. Everybody busted out laughing. But that was just me being a comedian in the moment.

Because I was like, if you stay down, there ain't nobody going to see you. That's a funny. That nobody looked at every card. I thought that was a kid. That's a kid. I thought we, she was in him. Are you scared? Are you scared?

Are you scared? I was like, did she hear me? Oh, I was like, who's a kid? I thought she got in here. That's her. That's a real kid. Okay, my bad.

But she was that size. That's crazy. They're solid, though. They're real solid. They always thick. They like baby pit bulls. They always got fat ass. They feel like them bullies.

You know, they're tight. Everybody did. You ever picked up a pinnets? That's what the midges feel like. See, I don't got the experience. I always just see that the backup, they always got a wagon on me. The girls do. They always be strained.

So you sound like, you my dude. See, I can talk to you. So back in the day, we in New York, right? I don't know why you making me think of stuff. So we're in New York, and it was this one girl. She was a little Puerto Rican, a little person, a little cutie, though. But she had a bubble. They come in every nationality.

Oh, I didn't know that. And so me and my boys used to be talking like that. Like, we'd be like, yo, man, if she was just a little tall or no. You know, you know, cats don't act like they won't do it, but they'd be talking about it. Man, real talk, man, if she can get some regular hands off. Because I think those little hands throw you off. Boxing gloves. The hand beeped me, oh, is crazy.

The boxing gloves, he throw me out. I don't pass out. That little hand touched me. I'll pass out. It'll be too little. Because if the fingers be stubby. I got construction work The niggas are like Tyrant

Can we say this? Yes, we can. I'm sorry. Look at it. I should have never had this whole fashion. Man, y'all crazy. I know what you're talking about too, man. But so you sound like you're one of my boys.

That's how we'd be talking about. Back in the day, it was this one cute little Puerto Rican little person and she was adorable too and she was so nice but she was actually really pretty girl and we used to be like, man, And she used to do all the parties, hand out the flies for the next party thing. And so me and my boys, we drink it in the club, like, real tall dog on everything.

She might try that out. She might catch me slipper for me. Oh, man. You ain't never seen one JT you in there. Man, I'm saying that. He's like, he's like, I got two in the truck. He's crazy. I keep in there like a spare

I'm out of the game I love this podcast I love this podcast I love this podcast right on be thank you thank you for the cocktail I want to ask you about

like the movies man okay yeah like how to be the player you know I mean I kind of lived my life a little bit like that okay a little something so yeah for about a

21 about 25 okay you had a four year like a college yeah you know what I mean I was inspired by that movie, man. What went into that row? Like, what made you take that row? Was you living like that?

What I was, just getting that real money, you know what I'm saying? At first, you know, like, when you get in the league at first, you get that first solid contract, you know, you know you straight, you seven figures with it. Would you buy? First crazy purchase. A crib. Tired of living in apartments and stuff. Most cast was buying cards. I just bought nice crib off the rip.

because my big thing was I want something to put my car in you feel I mean I didn't want to have a car and be at the bullshit apartment type of shit so first thing was a crib so I'm really I'm single you know what I'm saying

I'm getting that like first level of like cool success it's starting to happen then I get this movie right so I'm like damn this movie kind of live so I figured when I read the script the first version of it was the character wasn't very likable

he was very arrogant so I was like that's not going to work So I'm talking with Mark Brown. And I was like, he can't be arrogant because no one's going to like him. I say, he got to be charming and funny so that the stuff he doesn't, that he's doing is not going to come off offensive. He's got to be like almost getting lucky. You know what I mean? So we went back and forth over and he was like, yeah, B, I like them notes.

I was like, yeah, because think about it, women got to watch it and want to like it. We can't just have dudes in the theater and they get in a fight with their chick because this dude is just smashing everything moving. I said, what it's got to be is like he's in a candy store. He just got the best day of his life. He can get any candy he want today. And it's basically, because how to be a play is basically the best day of your life. You get in all the chicks you want, you have the most fun, and you're bringing your friends. That's really what the movie is.

And so with that kind of energy, I was like, I am going to bring so much fun to the character that women won't have a chance to get mad at me. They're just going to be like, he is stupid as hell. Like, oh, my God, he got another girlfriend. He got this right here. And then the dudes would be like, yeah, nigga, I do. That's me all day. And I have had guys from every age group say, yo, man, I was in high school. Me and my brother used to watch that. My mama used to want us to watch it. I have guys in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 40s, and 50s that watch how to be a player. And that was, what, 30 years ago, 27, I don't know. But it's amazing to do a movie that make people feel like that. I don't know if I could do that now.

But look at the cast. We had Bernie Mac, Pierre. We had Natalie DeSalle. We had A.J. Johnson, RIP. We had Gilbert Godfried in there. We had, oh, man. Jay Anthony Brown was in there. He was playing Unk.

Who else I had in there? I had Elise Neal. Yeah. Wow. Let me think, let me think, let me think. Let me think somebody else. Oh, we had Goldie. Max Julian, who was a wonderful person.

So my sister passed away that Natalie Sell, we lost a few cast members. We also lost Bernie, obviously. We lost Max Julian and A.J. Johnson. So, I mean, you know, it's a blessing that their legacy is still moving. You feel me? So I think that was a wonderful thing. Like, you have a cult classic, especially in our community.

Like, that's a classic. Yes. What's that feeling like? Because we see a lot of movies. that, you know what I'm saying, people might like, but it's like, that character I hate. Everybody loved this movie. I love you in that movie.

Peer was a horrible wing man. Oh, yeah. He's low-key a hate-n-ass nigga, too. He didn't know how to set the screen, bro. Oh, God. He didn't set no screen. No, he definitely straight. He didn't set no screen.

I don't even, I like his podcast, though. Yeah, no, I'm trying to be here. I like, but we're talking about how people get treated, like, outside of their character in the real world, we would have treated Pierre back of the day. Oh, God, we'd have been like, yeah, he's weird. Yeah. He's weird.

I want to do people feel like that about him down. Because people treat me like, you know, they like me because they feel like I'm that guy. Like, you know what I mean? A lot of rappers would be like, yo, I'm in a club like Bill Bellamy or they feel like. You know a lot of songs. Like I'm in a lot of songs. So it's like, whatever that character is, it resonates with cool. It resonates with being being on.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm on. I'm up. Yeah, I swear. So like, if you play a lame character, I want to do people be like, man, you know, what do they be giving Pierre? He never told me that. I would ask him.

That's funny. He was funny, though. I like, I like, it was funny as hell. But I'm saying, you, that movie, man, it's like everybody can relate to somebody. Yes, sir. We got an uncle, like, you know, AJ, Anthony or AJ. Just anybody, like, all them characters are relatable to the neighborhoods. I had a dude a couple months ago said that he did his whole closet because of that, because of how to be played.

He wanted all his sneakers lined up. And I forgot about that. I was like, yo, yeah, my closet was kind of lit. Remember it had lighting in it? It was kind of dope. Yeah. And I had the movie a classic. And I'm going to tell you how much that movie affected me.

So when I did the movie, I went after I had the movie, I had never had a loft before. I went out and found me a loft, bro. And so now this is so crazy how art in Mate's life. So I literally lived in a real loft. like I had a three, three level loft just like Drake. It was so crazy. I was like, yo, man, I'm really living in shit.

Yeah, right? Because it wasn't a lot of people who had lost because that's when they was converting, you know, old schools and warehouse buildings into like loft apartments and stuff. For sure. That would ask you this question. Obviously, still on a row, still getting money,

still doing stand-up. How would you tell yourself to start doing comedy in 2026? Because loud of it's like, We don't see as many stand-up We see a lot more Instagram comedians and skits Like those are the more popular things

How would you start in today's era? On the gram I think what they're doing is wonderful Because you ain't got to wait You know what I'm saying Like you could showcase you are funny You can tell a story You could think of something really quick

I think that's a beauty of technology Now does not mean you're a comedian yet You could be funny now You know a lot of these cats do skits And you got to edit You sound the mix, voice open. Yes, sir. But that stays with a microphone and just some water in the stool.

That shit hit different. That's a fact. That's like trying to guard Disney and you play at L.A. Fitness. And he going full throttle and you like, oh, man, I'm Mr. L.A. fitness. Not today. For sure. You're a pro. So that's where you got to, you know, you got to go, okay, I can get on like this,

but I got to do practice to get there. You know what I mean? because comedy is an art form. Like, it is like, I tell my son, it's like shooting shots. You got to get shots up. You cannot be a shooter without shooting. You cannot become a great shooter if you're not in the gym putting up shots.

I tell my son shit all the time. It's like, bro, you are never going to be a great shooting unless you shoot a lot of shots. Now the ones you're missing, you're going to start making because you shoot. It's just like some of them bad jokes I did that I messed up. If I was practicing more, that gap. closes now my set is better you feel me it's the same thing

and you know and I just tell the cats don't cheat the game you know you can get famous on you can get famous on the internet I love these dudes that's killing like Mojo Brooks that dude he's funny than a motherfucker

Desi Banks funny than a motherfucker DC Youngfly funny than a motherfucker these cats off the top of my head I think they have the best of everything why

they're really really funny they are not cheating the game they are talented and they embrace their fan base they don't just get like I was just talking with DC the other day we working on the movie he was like yo man I gotta keep feeding it

because that's what that people know me from he didn't go oh now that I'm big on this and that he's still funny and that's the beauty like for me as an OG if I think of something right now I'll be like damn man I'm gonna go in my car real quick

let me get my camera and because I got an idea. And I could, that shit, a lot of that shit go viral. Yeah. Because if I'm waiting for my special to come out or I'm waiting for the movie to come up, y'all might not see the movie. You might not see my comedy special. But if I put up them little commercials, that keep me relevant, especially if I hit, you know, Jermaine Jackson. I do something about his haircut. Yeah. I do. I pick a topic that's so right now, like, you know, the ditty thing right now is crazy. It's in the culture. It's in the people's mine. Like, oh my God, did you ever go, like, you know, like, people, people, like, thinking about it.

Like, because back in the day, you know, maybe going to that party would have been a thing. But now you, like, did you go, fam? Oh, God. Right, everybody's like, did you ever go? Yeah. You kept me entertained during COVID. Speaking about the internet, like, during COVID, them stories, I said, oh, they go go get his stuff. Oh, they go go get his stuff.

Oh, man. What? Hey, you said some shit. I said, oh, Bill Clowder. No, but I can do that. You know, but the thing about me, why I don't think people get mad at me, because I'm never mean about it,

I'm just telling you my perspective. Like, I just did this thing where it really happened when I met Manny Fresh. And I'm a big Manny Fresh fan, but I never met him in person, but I love Manny Fresh, right? And so people's like, Bill, you're well to say, why would you do that?

But it's true. So the thing about Manny Fresh to me, because I love music, right? So his own style, his own sound. I don't know if you know how many artists. I mean, he's the mastermind behind, you know, little Wayne and, you know, cash money. He was doing, this is when nobody knew who Manny Fresh was.

They just knew the beats. So I've been following his career, but I never met him, right? So I was in Houston and my boy, Al, who do my security when I'm there, he was like, yo, B-Man, you know, Mani Fresh is in town. He got a little joint and you got to pull up. It's going to be crazy. I said, oh, my God. So I get there, and I'm like, man, I can't wait to meet Manny Fresh.

So I get into the VIP and I'm looking, because I'm thinking Manny Fresh probably tall, you know, whatever. And I'm like, standing around looking and is this person DJing? And I'm like, yo, he must have a warm-up joint, you know, because they don't come out right away. I got there probably like quarter to 12, 12, 13. I was like, man, he ain't coming out. But every time I look over there, it was like a stud. And she was like, yo, what's up? I was like, oh, shit.

He helping them people out, you know? Yeah. You know, it was wrong. No, I'm just being honest. But I'm drunk. I'm drunk. So I'm looking. I'm like, yo, this stud keeps saying, what's up?

But I'm like, yo, I'm like, oh, you know, I never seen the stud DJ. I was like, okay, this stud is doing it. She's doing a thing. So now it's like 1 15. And I'm like, yo, Al, man, I'm about to leave me. man, I'm waiting to meet Manny Fresh. She said, why you ain't say he right there? I was like, what?

I ain't know the stud. With Manny Frick from the dinner? Bro. I'm told the story. People are. That's the story. Manning started following me from the story. It wasn't a mean story.

But from a distance, like, I didn't know. Especially off that liquor, it would definitely get you. I'm drinking. I don't know, man. And everybody's like, me, you crazy. I'm like, dog, because he ain't got no facial hair, no eyebrows. And that's the hair. And he got the stud haircuts.

What's so crazy about that story is we had went to Dreamville Fest. My nephew did the same exact thing. Literally. We like to go many first. He's like, her? He was like, no, no. And we just like, are you crazy? He did the same exact guy for sure.

But so you know I'm not like. No, yeah. You know what I mean? It's just like people don't think I'm that tall. Like when people meet me, they'd be like, oh, that ain't no Bill Bellow me, Bill Bellow me little. And then when they meet, they'd be like, damn, B, you kind of tall. I'm like, I don't know what I look like on TV.

You know what I'm saying? It's the same kind of concept. And especially when you meet celebrities, like, I remember the first time I met Yao Ming. Oh, man. Man, you ain't never seen nothing like this. Like, you know, like, I didn't know a human being could be that big. For sure. Yal Ming was unreal.

I was like, God damn. And he played basketball. And that's crazy because you know Shaq. Like, that's failing me. So, like, he's like, way. Shack is crazy. Shack is regular to him. If you don't see Yomim, Shack's the biggest guy in the world.

And then you put Yomim next to Shack. Shack, Shack looked like he was 16 or 69. It was crazy. So that's the concert. That's one now you have one of my favorite skits. He said, Crack Hats can't lie, right? No, crackheads. One of my favorite Instagram.

Man, crackheads can't lie, man. Crackheads, everybody got a cousin or a friend. that's a crackhead. The thing about crack heads to me that's funny is they tell you what you want to hear to get the crack. Like they're not going to, they'll tell you anything. You're going to do better, yeah.

Yeah. You know that stuff going to kill you. You're going to stop, right? Yeah. Now, I'm going to give you this money. And when they see you about to get it, they start doing like this. I swear to God, I say this.

I don't know why they do this. They start rocking because they're excited. You could give a crackhead $20. It's like they hit the lottery. And everything that you're trying to continue to say they run. So you be like, listen, I'm going to give you this money, dog, okay? And I want you to get you something to eat, bro, and get you some new socks. And they be like, oh, Bill.

And as soon as he put it in there, phew. Yeah, for sure. You be like, you're going to get them socks. Uh-huh. They be running to get that crack, boy. I don't want to say what I really want to say. Yes, you do. They're just more grateful than the other people that be outside.

Oh, okay. That's all I'm saying. Oh, you're going to leave right here. Yeah, I love a good crackhead, bro. I support, like, everywhere I can. But here's the thing about crackers. Because it's a joy. When you give them that dub, it's a joy that they get, bro.

Yeah, that makes you feel like you really doing something. Yeah. I've seen a crackhead fall off a roof. Get up and keep walking. Oh, God. That's all my uncle hired for his construction staff. So we see that all the time. Y'all are crickets?

Yes, bro. I ain't going to shout out of this company because, you know. Right, right. Don't shout out. I don't want to fuck up the business. Hendrickson and Ruth. Hendrick's Rodney. Hey, that's a real company.

That's my brother's shit. That's my brother's shit. He's about to put it. Oh, my phone, bro. Boy, we're going to have a bad text talk with us. I said, bro the other day, too. He's crazy. He's a bad shout out.

Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. All right, man, from we got out here. Who's some of your favorite player is currently playing in the league? I know you still tapped in. Oh, man. I love so many players, man. Okay. All right. Let me go guards. I'm going to go by position. Okay. So my guards right now, Shea, killing the game.

Anthony Edwards. Well, he's not playing, but I love Jason Tatum. I hope he comes back healthy. who else is currently playing that I love watching them get busy let me go Steph obviously I'm going down to West Coast

do do do do do do do do do KD well KD really a three but he'll fucking guard but let me go let me go east Jalen Bronson Jailin Big Man Little big man little footwork

Jailen Bronson got if Jalen Bronson was 666 six, six, seven, it's already crazy. But I think he might be five, eleven, maybe five, ten, maybe six foot the most, cook everybody. I love his game. He was six seven, he'd be crazy. He'd be crazy.

Who else on the, I'm going down to east, the east. Oh, Darius Garland. Shot D.G. Can't nobody guard him, super tricky. Donovan Mitchell, another one, my favorites, going down. I'm the East Coast. Miami. You a Laker fan?

I love the Lakers. I like Luca. I just don't, he don't play a good enough D for me. Like, he don't help me. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I love Luca offensively. I think he's unguarable.

He's big slow. So let me ask you this question. That's a per. We just had a debate. Me and him, you're taking Jalen Brown or Luca right now this year? Well, there's no move to goposts. That's what we're debating. You see how quiet a goes.

That's what it was debating. If I got to be 100, if it's not just about buckets, I'm going with Jalen Brown. Thank you. That's all I want. Now, listen, making money moves last night, Jaylen Brown is average. It dropped 50. He had 50 last night. He was mad he didn't get that player at a month.

It dropped 50. But this is the thing like about basketball that I could share with you that out from my perspective is there's certain guys that do certain things really, really well. and they lock in on that. Luca is all offense. And that's cool if you know you need a bucket. Okay, cool. Who's going to lock down?

Luca not locking down nobody in the playoffs, bro. He don't extend the energy that it takes to play D. So how he's helping you? He turned sideways. He's laying cats roll. So. Y'all just catching him on this bad day. No, no.

No, no. I'm just saying, bro, in the playoffs, we got to get to the playoffs. I'm a Laker fan. He do his thing. Okay, he do his thing. He can't play D. He's not going to guard. Nobody.

We got to play a zone. No, listen, Bill, that's why I'm paying a nigga Bill Bellamy, Jamie Fox. I'm paying y'all other niggas to do this other shit. Okay. I'm here. But you're a big's guard, right? Yeah.

Here's the thing, bro. At some point, you got a guard because you can't, you can't, this is why OKC so dope. They play defense for real. That's 1989, 90s got damn Detroit Pistons defense. So when you're playing them, right? and they all on the floor they're all tipping

they all they're frantic about it right so we got to play seven games of that bro you cooked no for sure I'm just saying I'm just saying

prayer for player if you're just going out to hoop is Luca bro he's unguarded bro now when you're doing the team of course he unguarded all this

but if you put four defenders or three two defenders around okay but if he I'll tell you how Luca can help us if he average a double in assists. That's that'll help him because if he can come off the pill, he don't need 40 a game.

He don't need 35. Luca could do 25 and 10 every night easily. He's doing 35 and 10. He's doing 35 and 10. Yeah, he's doing 35. Oh, he's going to say, Bill. I'm my bad. It's almost 3310 to 10.

That's killing, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, he's a little defense now. Hey, Luca, I'm sorry. I ain't got my numbers right. I'm going to what you were saying. The numbers 33. I'm just saying conceptually.

If you're trying to win, you can't ask LeBron at this point in his career to do all of that. You hire these young guns. You know, maybe we grab one more piece, somebody that's going to rock out. But LeBron and Luca are ball dominant.

It's very hard to have a team when the ball don't. move like that. So when you got a team, this is why the patience to me was dope when they was winning before Tyrese got hurt. The ball was like, fling, fling. Don't nobody care who get 30.

Don't nobody care. When the Celtics were at their best, they was moving the ball. So the better teams that's playing like the community, they win because it's hard to guard them, niggas, like you're tough. So case in point, I don't know why you got me talking about

because I love basketball. But the thing that's the hardest thing to me to watch is when the ball be sticking. Yeah. Because everybody watch it. You know, or LeBron, who I love, the goat, whatever. LeBron, need eight dribbles. He's not been, not...

LeBron or Jordan? No, LeBron is the goat of this decade. Okay. He's not the goat of basketball. Who's the goat is Jordan? Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. He was like a space show of room.

No, I'm just being... No, I'm just being honest. I'm just Michael Jordan. But of this decade, of 20 years that I've been a fan of basketball, LeBron is the greatest player that I've seen in this era. LeBron is the best basketball player in the last 30 years. I'm just giving it to you. Yeah, I regret it.

I mean, I've been watching LeBron since he was in the ninth grade. So I'm invested. I've seen it when they said, when they was like, yo, he's going to be the next. I was like, okay, well, he's only in the 10th grade. He's playing in arenas. He did everything they said. Be a witness. Oh, he's stronger, bigger.

He's killing NBA players in the 11th grade. He did all that. So, I mean. So you take him over Mike. Okay, that's crazy. No, not over. No, no, no. No, I'm starting a team.

So you started a team with. And you start a team with. You start your team with what we're doing? What we're doing last question? No, you're starting a team with Jordan or LeBron. Isn't they prime, both? Yeah, we're just starting. We're just starting the team, bro.

You got the first pick. I'm going with Mike. Go on Mike. I got to go with Mike. Mike, if we start, yeah, because we, Mike, Mike is that, is that, that nucleus for you. Now, if, if we're building a team, a different type of team, because to me, what Katz don't ever talk about is LeBron is magic. Nobody even give him that, stop trying to compare him to Michael Jordan, compare him to magic.

He has all those attributes, leadership on the floor, pass the ball, he's unselfish. He's unguardable, stronger, bigger than any guard. He can get to the cup. He fixed every part of his game. Since he started, LeBron has fixed every flaw in his game. That's the fact. Oh, he can't close. He can't play with his back to the basket.

Sounds like the greatest to me. What you describe, it sounds like the greatest. Don't it sound like the greatest to you? No, but I'm saying. How do you feel? I think he's the greatest. Ever? I mean, yeah.

I mean, I grew up in this era. So Mike, I think Mike is like somewhere over there. I can't even believe he, like, real. Yeah. Like, that's how good I think Michael's worth. But, Jeff, you're saying what I'm saying in your experience, what you witness. LeBron is the goat of your ever. I witnessed both.

Live. Mm-hmm. And I can only separate it like this. It's like almost trying to say Michael Jackson and Chris Brown, they both great. They don't have to be greater than the other. They're both great. They're just striking in different decades. Yeah.

But I don't think, Mike, I don't think Chris Brown. Well, who closed in your concert then? You got the money to afford both of them. Who closed in your concert? Michael Jackson. It's not about who better. I was just... Michael Jackson closing, but Chris Brown on his ass.

Mike might have to do another moonwalk. Because Chris Brown is flipping. He's sick. He's did he do three-hour shows? Yeah, thanks. You have been to Chris Brown show lately? Yes, yes. Man, Chris Brown got so many goddamn hits.

You get a headache. You forgot. Like, you were like, oh, I know Chris Brown. What? Oh, that's right. He definitely don't need to open it. Let me tell you how crazy Chris Brown's show is.

And nobody says this. Chris Brown can do another tour with just the features he was on. Oh, God. Facts. Yes. All B size. I'm just doing, I'm just doing features. Him and Drake can do that.

I'm just going to do a concert with the features I did. I'm not going to do my other stuff. That's how good they are. That's how much content they put out. That's crazy. What artist of your generation you think could do something like that besides R. Kelly?

What's, uh, arenas? Yeah. Oh, it's so many people, um, besides Arkelly. Well, I love Rkelly. That's my thing. Rain, Raina Shud, Kills.

You said, now, Robert. Robert. Robert. We still love you, bro. Rob, Rob, is so, he's special, man. I'm, man. God, y'all going to have me. I got a guy.

Let me do one quick story with Rod. I love Rob. I love Rob, man. We had All-Star, we were All-Star. Where was you? Where was you where Our Star was in Orlando? She, I was probably 14. Orlando was what, look it up for me, though.

Our Star Year 9 is 2006. I was in high school. Yeah, they was a high school. When was Orlando? 2012. 2012? I was in Elite. You was elite, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we in Atlanta. though, so you was probably there, you know. I will never forget this. So, R. Kelly had a row. Like, we was all in the same row. Yes. And he bought Hennessy for the entire row, right? And so I have met Rob many of times, but this is like the first time, like, I'm drinking with him, like, real.

He's off the clock. He's not on the show, whatever, whatever, right? So my role manager at the time, Big E, you know, he's 6-8. He's like, yo, man. yo, man, I don't want to be sweating. Robert, man, but, yo, he kind of fly, man. He's a big dude, but, you know, he's, you know, he don't want to look like he, he's a fan. Yo, be real talk, man.

And he drank and see me. Oh, everything I love, I'm buying everything he dropped me. So. Because he's thinking maybe had to hear this he connected. Man, Rob took a liking him to Biggie, man. He said, man, big fella. He said, man, big fella real one, man. I said, yeah, that's my guy, man.

I said, man, he don't want to say he love you, bro. He said, big fella, you're a fan, man. He said, man, I fuck with you a little bit, man. So him and Kelms became real, real cool and shit. And he was just so, such a good dude, you know, just a real Chicago kind of cat. So when all that stuff happened, I felt so bad because all the times I hung out with him, he was so dope. I mean, and just a genuine kind of dude. Like, he would take every...

He would get us all drunk. He'd take us all out. And he was a hooper, too. He liked to play ball. So I used to hoot with him sometime. It was fun. I respect, man. And I see, I see you respect Kills.

Yeah, kills me a lot. That's the God of your generation. All is off the course of what he did. That's his life, you know what I mean. We're just talking about the music. No, we're talking about music. No, no, the bullshit. I don't know.

If there's another epic person of my decade that could really kill it like that, well, you got to go. with like Shot-A, Lauren Hill. Oh, she's in concert. Lord Hill just ain't going to be on time. Yeah, Lauren Hill not going to come, but. Yeah, she's going to be D-PU. But I'm trying to think right now, see what you're thinking?

Kales is it. Different. That's it. Do you have your past? I was trying, I was just ask because you, why I'm asking you because, like, man, you grew up in the right era. Bro, the way music was everybody. Yes. Oh, man, Tupac.

Why am I slipping? Yeah. Tupac and big, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm going to do one more story for y'all, then I'm going because I'm hungry. Yeah, fast. Do you remember when flirt came out?

Yeah. I'm a, I'm a flirt. That was his song. Okay, wait until I tell you this crazy ass shit. So I'm in Miami. So I love the year. We all the way up. I think it was Kuru N. Y.

I don't know if you, how old you are, but back then, Karoo NY was everything. So I'm in Miami. I don't know why I'm there. Maybe I'm doing a show, something, something. But I go to this dope-ass after party, and Kales is there. And this is when his song is crazy, right?

Yes. It was the biggest song. Damn, 28, right? Oh, God. You remember, you remember? The song was so fucking crazy, right? So I think Catino Mobley was with me. I think he was in the league at the time for whatever.

I think I remember seeing Catino in my mind. So anyway, we're rolling up in the club. We all fly. It's a bunch of bad chicks in the VIP. So imagine you walking in the VIP. It's the one where all the couches are long like this. You sit and looking this way. And Kales is all the way at the back looking this way.

So I got to step up and walk in. And I see Kells. I say, oh shit, Kels, what's up? He go like, you do like this. Like, what up, nigger, you're in the guy. Nicker, you hear here. I'm like, what's up? Then I said, damn, 28, and all the women got up.

And it looked like I was in the music video with him. I said, oh, shit, I'd have made it. Yes, no. Because it looked like the music video. And everybody, when I walk up in the club, I'm a flirt. And he started walking to pouring champagne. I said, oh, my God, I am in the game. Like, what are the odds that the number one?

One song would come on and up in the fucking club with the man and he walking around like the video. And it was nothing but killers in that video, in that VIP. Straight killers. Shout out to Rob. Hey, man, we're in a way to close episode. We appreciate you, man. Thank you.

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