Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Colts legend Edgerrin James on his HOF career, Deion Sanders' impact & playing w/ Peyton Manning

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Hall of Fame Colts RB Edgerrin James joins the guys and discusses being drafted by the Colts in 1999 over Ricky Williams, his WILD rookie season playing alongside Peyton Manning, how it felt receiving his Hall of Fame call, University of Miami football, Deion Sanders at Colorado, the current running backs that remind him most of himself, and more! #club #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, we're back. Another episode of Club 520 Podcast. A little bit different this time. Season two. We made it to the second season. Appreciate y'all. You know what I'm saying? We got a special.

We got family with us. But before we get to the episode, we got to talk about what we're doing right now. We've been stalling y'all out. You know what I'm saying? I've been looking for the episode with Edge. But there's a reason why we got this episode here. Jeff, you want to tell people what we got going on right now?

Oh, man. He threw it to me, Paul. That was nuts. That episode here. Jeff, you want to tell people what we got going on right now? Oh, man. He threw it to me, Paul. That was nuts. That was crazy. Yeah, it was crazy. But nah, shout out to the volume, man. Hey. We finally signed, sealed, delivered with the volume.

A huge opportunity, huge chance to be great. I'm excited. My guys got it rolling. He got new sunglasses. His sunglasses are different. What's up? Finally, finally. What up?

Gucci, Prada, Louis. You hear me? The whole sex. Shout out to the volume, though. We definitely appreciate y'all. We can't wait to start this new journey with you all. We're excited. Hey, shout out to the volume. Appreciate y'all. We can't wait to start this new journey with you all. We're excited. Hey, shout out to the volume.

Appreciate y'all. We going crazy right now. Season 2 Club 520 Podcast. My name is still DJ Wells. I'm the host. Like I said, we got a legend. And more importantly, to my left,

we're going to introduce my man's last, but my boy out to pretty be here. You know what I'm saying? Looking like new money today. It's time. It's time. The volume got me lit. Goddamn. Direct deposit,

baby. Yeah. Shout out to Shannon. Shout out to Colin. Shout out to the whole gang and behind the scenes, you know what I mean? Helping us out on this new journey. We appreciate everything for sure. Absolutely. Season two kick off. Season two to my right. My boy. Hey, look, he laughing. He a different nigga now. I said somebody's gonna go Hollywood. We figured out who it was. Oh, to my right, my boy. Hey, look, he laughing. He a different nigga now.

I said somebody's gonna go Hollywood. We figured out who it was. Oh, we put that in the poll. There you go. You see that towel? Oh, he's like, we see that all season one.

Soon as I seen that, that motherfucker emailed it with them numbers. Here we go. I love it by you. We like Jeffy Milwaukee. The first time. Big facts.

But to my right, my dog, young Nacho, young Teague. How you what? Man, I'm good, man. I'm happy. I'm happy season two back around. Got my guy here. I'm going to let you introduce him the right way. But, man, these was about it, though, man.

Somebody said they were looking for some concourses. I said, let me go get these. Not the DMPs, though. It wasn't somebody. The somebody was me. It's not my fault. It's me. I'm niggas.

I was looking for some concourses, and he disrespecting came out of these. Sometimes you got a stunt on a nigga, but hey, it's cool. Season two niggas act different. But last but not least, man, we are blessed to have a legend in our presence, a legend in the city,

a legend in his sport, a legend in his profession. Dog, one of the biggest culture changes a legend in our presence, a legend in the city, a legend in his sport, a legend in his profession. Y'all, one of the biggest culture changes that ever happened to Indianapolis, Indiana,

and the NFL. We got family with us. Again, The Edge, Edwin James, my man, appreciate you pulling back up to 520, man.

Appreciate you. I'm part of 520, man. Yeah, you got, you family, that's why I said we ain't even got a guest. This family, Naptown Royalty,

this motherfucker. Go teeth to go jacket. you already even got a guest. This family, Naptown Royalty, this motherfucker. Go teeth to go jacket. You already know how we slide. You already, man. Look, we did an episode before, you know what I'm saying? And we're going to talk about, you know what I'm saying? You'll be here and getting it in on the court. On the court.

Let me finish. I got y'all. I ain't going to put you in a bad situation, especially not Edge. This ain't going to be bad for Edge. But we had to run it back because, shit, we started off a new situation. What better to start a new situation off with a legend? For sure. And we talked about the Bada Doltee got the heat on today being disrespectful.

For you, you know what I'm saying? You say you're not really into that tip of the world, but I got to ask, how did it feel the first time you was out and you seen somebody in your jersey? Nah, it was pretty cool. Like, it started in college, though. You know, when you come in front of the University of Miami, and then once you, like, once you start, when you become, then you start seeing it, and when you get to the pros, it's like you're already kind of used to it, but it's just more.

Everything is magnified in the pros, and that's the thing that is pretty cool. And it's actually like coming to a city like this, you know, it was totally different, you know, so it was different for me. And then when you start seeing them people embrace you, it's like, they really, they really rocking with us, you know, and it was actually pretty cool. And that's what's fire. Cause like, I remember seeing that 32 jersey around like, nah, that's it. But like now fast forward, I was out in the grocery store and seen a little kid in an A-Risk jersey.

And I was like, that didn't feel like that same feeling and like that change and culture in the city. Like, before you came to Indianapolis, it was not like this.

And your imprint on the city was immediate. And to see that now. My guy stole some jerseys from me. Some Edwin James jerseys from me. Off. Nah, no,

I ain't even joking. Statues of limitation is up. We'rewin James jerseys from me. No, no. I ain't even joking. Statues of limitation is up. We're talking about it. Shout out to my boy, Jaren. He went crazy for that Galleons. Nigga stole the jersey. Man, what? I was at Galleons, seventh grade.

Did you have a screen print? Yeah, you already know. It was Galleons. We went authentic now. Lock Jaren up. He grabbed Peyton Manning, brought him to school. I was like,

nah, you got to get that edge. He came back with the edge the next day. The police came two weeks later. Wow. So wait a minute. My boy was on house arrest. Two weeks of it.

I'm going to tell you why. Because he had a booster go back. You cannot have an Alucard with a booster. Draws to white, I keep telling y'all. I mean, well, that's 30 years ago. I want to go back to the beginning, though, bro.

Who put the football in your hand? Who signed you up first? Like, when did you, you know, start taking football? South Florida, like, that's what we do. Like, you come out the womb. Like, football is what you do in South Florida. And, you know, with the weather, like we play year round. And for somebody like myself, you know, it's like,

you got to show these older guys I belong. That's kind of how you get ranked. That's kind of how you like really step outside of your age group. You know, if you nine and you playing with 10 and 11 years old um kids like you represent now you're gonna get ultimate respect claim nothing like like showing an older person up you know for sure when you when you between it's a big difference between nine and eleven

you know and so when you when you represent like that and now you got everybody's respect and then when you go into you go to a Sandlot football field you one of the first ones getting picked you getting picked before the older guys and that's what that's what make the game mean so much to me and plus it was easy for me was you out there chasing rabbits and shit?

nah that's like on the Fred Tietum area what's it called? Pahokian. Yeah, I had to get up on the way for it. The boys fast. What's my boy receiver? Play for Baltimore.

Was a monster too. He from Pahokian. From Baltimore? Damn. From the Baltimore Ravens? I feel bad for. From Kwong. Yeah.

Everyone both? Kwong Bowden. Oh, yeah. Legend. I feel bad for disrespect. I should have knew that off the. Oh, yeah. Legend. I feel bad for disrespect. I should have knew that off the top, but yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Everybody play ball down there. You know, like, we play ball and, like, that's your life. And it's like, you ain't playing ball, man. You ain't,

you ain't what's up. Did you always play running back or you was like a quarterback? I played running back and I played safety and linebacker. I know you wasn't a quarterback because I seen you shoot downstairs. Ooh. Yeah.

I know that jumper. You know what I mean? That accuracy ain't like that. So I knew running back. Hey, pull the footage out, man. Hey, y'all don't be trying to sign me to no 10-day contract after you see this footage. They see that footage, they going to, damn, Ez can't miss. He probably the best shooting football player I ever seen.

I ain't gonna lie. I'm real sure he got it. Hey, nah, don't rank my hustle, man. I ain't gonna blow up his spot. Man, don't blow it up, man. I've been running this game for a long time, man. He came in here, man. They think Ez can't nothing.

He came in here and... Hey, let me talk about it. Nah, he wasn't crazy. Ez was the rope-a-dope real quick. Man, if he ain't Ali, I ain't know what he talking about. Nah, he wasn't crazy. His was a rope-a-dub real quick. Man, if he ain't Ali, I don't know who he is. Smooth for neck. Put that Tito's voice on that boy. He thought it was a layup.

I seen that first free throw. I said, oh, this nigga's sweet. He thought he had something sweet. My boy took a bad, bad throw. I didn't even know My boy took a bad bet. I didn't even know. He took a bad bet. I really didn't know. We don't rock like that.

I didn't know he took that bad bet. That wasn't even aimed at you, man. It wasn't aimed at you, man. You took the smoke. But it's not how the old folks say. You go to meddling and people visit. That's why I said we started and I didn't know you until then. Yeah, he took that bad. He was so strong with the shot.

I'm like, ah, yeah, he ain't got a chance. He ain't even holler at me. We be supposed to go to the side and bow down. It's like his muscles relax and all of a sudden, it start looking fluid, balls. I'm like. That was crazy. Because I'm saying.

Yeah, that was crazy. One thing you can remember, man, if you see me doing it, I got a chance. if you see me doing it, I got a chance. If you see me doing anything, I got a chance. Now I ain't gotta say I'm the best or the greatest at it, but I got a chance. We gonna get on them dice though, but what- There you go.

There you go. I'm gonna throw your ass on them dice now. What made you choose the U? The U, that's like, that's the heart and soul of South Florida. The only reason you look anywhere other than the U is the U was going through probation. They had all these sanctions and all that stuff going. So you had to start looking at other places, but just in case, you didn't know what the outcome would be. But once they

said, okay, this is the penalty, these things you got to deal with, it's a no brainer. I grew up an hour west of Miami. So it was easier for my family, friends, everybody to come. And we close knit. And so you want people at your game. I went to visit Ohio State. I went up there and it was like,

they only gonna give you four tickets to the game. You got to visit Ohio State. I went up there and it was like, they only give you four tickets to the game. You got to get up there. We're not financially stable. We're not in position to be traveling. So I'm like, damn, I'm going to be up here by myself, really. I ain't going to really have nobody at the game. And then, of course, you got the Florida schools. I went to visit Florida Gators.

They had Fred T. So Fred T out the same area and Fred T was, he was already solidified. Nah, he was a year ahead of me. So he was already stamped. So it was like, that's not some way you want to go. If you trying to, if you trying to like put your game down. And so Miami was, it was a no brainer. Like you always want to be a hurricane. Like a hurricane is like everything. And then it fits me. Like as a Miami hurricane, you could be yourself.

Like other places you got like a lot of dudes, they used to go to Tallahassee, Florida state, and you had to cut your hair. You had to be clean cut. Like in Miami, you could just rock out, be yourself.

I don't want to go in for that. Yeah. That's what, yeah. But like, yeah, like we, we couldn't do that. Like we got to go where you can just rock out, be yourself. I don't want to go in for that. Yeah, that's what, yeah. But like, yeah, like we, we couldn't do that. Like we got to go where you can be yourself. You can hang loose. You know what I'm saying?

You can just go do your thing, be you. And then everybody's going to embrace you because it's like a big melting pot. You know, it's every race is every cause. Everything is down there. So it's like, it's like when it's, to me, it's the best place in the world. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles,

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absolute season one taser incorporated on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts binge episodes one two and three on may 21st and episodes four five and six on june 4th ad free atfree at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. How was that watching, like, Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne go at it? No, that was, but that's what made it so cool. Like, practice was lit because every day you're going at it. You know, every day you're seeing people compete. And so now when I look at football, I look at it a little different because they don't really compete or it don't seem like that to myself.

But they don't have to. They still going to be able to have success or do what they do. But we come from a different era where you had to compete. You had to whine and cry to get the ball. Now they got people checking out, coming out the game, don't want to play. Like with us, it was like that ball meant everything. Like- Was that ever any friction between y'all three?

Friction? Nah, because it always worked together. You know, like with us, it's man, we gonna ball out. Like everybody pushing each other. You know, the goal is to get to the league. We want to get to the league. And then all of a sudden, all us in the league at the same time. Then it turned around to where we go calling. We say, we're going to see who's going to make the highlight, who's going to make ESPN. We had our own little battles within. I'm going to make ESPN.

I'm going to make the highlights. And we kept pushing each other. And that's what made that school so special because everybody pushed each other. Everybody checked in and we all worked out in the off-scene. It was like one meeting spot. Everybody push up,. Everybody checked in. And we all worked out in the off-scene. It was like one meeting spot. Everybody push up, get that work in, then hit the city, enjoy the fruits of your labor, and just show everybody, like, this how. It's like good balance.

You got to have good balance. Now, I got a question for you. I know you see how it's going now. How you feel you would have fared with that NIL money, especially being in Miami? I really don't know because me personally, I think I probably would have did well, but that's a distraction too because you can go for that little money or you can go for that big money. The big money is getting to the league. The goal is to get to the NFL. And so you got, like I said, a lot of kids right now, they're sacrificing their future

for right now. So that's, I mean, this thing is to be determined, but right now it don't look too good for a lot of kids. You know, they're going to cheat themselves. That's interesting that you say sacrificing because like you said, you are getting a check now. But like you said, if you ain't disciplined, you ain't focused, or you don't have that team behind you

with that money, it can hinder you from getting that next check. Like even with you now, you know what I'm saying, you coaching and you seeing kids in high school getting approached with that type of situation, it's hard for adults to handle that bread. For them to get approached with that type of bread now, 16, 17, how do you keep their head on the prize

or their mind on the goal? See, I'm different. I got a different approach from Edge. I'm more like, I know how many people play basketball and the window is so small

to get to the NBA. So I'm like, you might not make it. The goal is to make it, but you might not, but you need to capitalize on what you got going on now. Absolutely.

Like, if you killing now, you making it now, need to capitalize on what you got going on now like if you killing now you making it now and somebody want to give you a million dollars right now yeah go ahead and take care of some stuff

that you might not like if you go to the real world you might you're not making a million dollars yeah that's real you not yeah

but if you can make it right now get it start your life get a head start on life I'm cool with that but that's just my outtake cause I know how hard it is. I just think the timing.

Like, man, you getting money at 17, 18, 19, like, we're not educated. And then we're not coming from, like, you're not coming from educated households. So it's like the blind leading the blind. And we don't have nobody that's been there, done that, that can teach somebody. And that's, I think that's the problem. But it's kind of different though because most of these kids

be having agents. Like, once they start getting NIL deals, they be having agents. Yeah, but still, they still don't know.

I mean, you don't know personally. Yeah, you don't, that's why I said, you don't know personally. You hope people do right by you. That's right.

But, it's, man, it's like, in our sport, you know, it's still 70, 80% of everybody go flat. You don't know what the percentage is in y'all's sport. It's about the same. And so it's like, there's a reason behind that. And I think the reason has to do with the timing. You know, it's like you think about what you'll do with your money at 25 or 30 versus when you're 17, 18.

Like, you know, our priorities are different. You know, we're thinking about having fun. We're thinking about getting the new J's, sneak ahead. You know, we doing all that,

you know, we doing all that fly stuff, you know. But we don't really think about down the road. And I think that's where the problem comes because it's like after all those years, why the percentages stay in the same? It's like you going into the NBA or you going into the NFL, and I'm telling you that 78% to 80% of the athletes go broke.

And you know this, And it still happens. You know, so, and I just think it has to do with, you know, financial education from an early standpoint. Then where we coming from? We coming from broken homes. Yeah. And that's the real part about it

is like, like you're saying, even in the situation where you go to the league as a one and done, you 19, and if your family ain't in a certain financial situation, you literally the breadwinner

in your lineage and be him, boys. Even if I don't know, who gonna tell me no? Because I'm the one making the ends. And if you don't have that direction, you are kind of out the loop.

That's true. Nah, I mean, it's a fact. But more to me, like, I get it. I mean, shit. It's gonna happen. But more to me, like, I get it. I mean, shit. But it's going to happen. But if you're one of them dogs and you get NIL money,

it's a good chance. If somebody willing to pay you a million dollars, it's a good chance you're probably going to make it to the league. Yeah. Like, you're not getting that much money. And you're like, nah. It's a good chance you're probably going to go to another level. So, I mean, it's to each his own.

But I got a different approach to it, like a different question to you. Like the U was so big. Like when I remember watching Miami when I was younger, it was like y'all was like an NFL team. It was like everybody wanted to go there. I wanted to go there and play basketball because- You should have went, man. They had a dude named Eddie Rios.

You probably, I don't know if you know him. Edwin Rios. He was the number, like supposed to be one of the top guys. Tell him your story, Kee. And he went, he ended up going to Miami. So I took Miami off my list. And Jack McClinton was there. Yeah.

He was killing it at that time. But do you think Miami will ever get back to, like, how y'all had it? I mean, it's cool, but y'all had it to an elite level. It was like Alabama is right now, even though they struggled a little bit this year. But y'all. It was a firehouse. Yeah, for sure. I think it's going to come down to, like, we got a coach that's on the parks.

He's dealing with the youth. He's involved with the people that's actually going to push that thing to the next level. And I think that's where the ball down took off. You look at all the top players, a lot of them coming from Florida. But Nick Saban and Ohio State, they're going and grabbing these kids. So if we're able to keep the kids home, then, yeah, we can get back.

If we can't keep our Florida, South Florida kids home, it's going to be tough because if you look at all the top players, you know, they're coming and recruiting these guys. And I don't know how much, especially with the NIL thing, you know, to what, I don't know how deep certain

people's pockets are, but you're going to be able to come and grab some kids. So as long as we're able to compete with them from an NIL standpoint and keep the kids home, we got a good chance. But it's going to take that because the game changed now. Now you're going to see schools that's willing to spend the money. Their school is going to go up. They get the right coach to spend the money. Look at Colorado, for example. They're going up.

Talk about it. That's a program that hasn't been successful in a long time. But they're doing something to get those kids. They got prime, but they're giving prime some ammunition. Would you win to Colorado if he recruited you, if you was coming out right now? Nah, I'm South Florida. Like, I can't leave South Florida.

Like, that's home. You know, it's the same thing if I went to Ohio State or something. You know, I want to be where I'm comfortable at. So, like, I wouldn't have gone personally because that's all I knew was South Florida. But if my child was like, hey, in the position I'm in now, and he wanted to go, yeah,

because I know he's going to get the best coaching. He's going to get a father figure. He's going to get everything he wants. So for a lot of these kids, I can see why they go, because they're getting more than a coach. You know, a lot of these dudes, they're just coaching. Man, this man really, like, parenting.

Yeah, he take the time to learn each player. Yeah, you can take your, like, you can say, man, drop him off or whatever prime, and I ain't worried. You can sleep good. You can't say that about every coach. And I think, we were talking about this earlier. I think what's so crazy about what he's doing up there

is the fact that he's already surpassed college coaches as far as influence-wise. Especially being a black man, I don't think we'll probably find another influential coach in the college football rankings close to Deion for a very long time period. Based off him being Deion off the field, what he did on the field,

and just his approach to leadership. Like, what he did with Jimmy Hornsund in the middle of that game and him speaking about it was crazy to me. And no disrespect

to none of those coaches. Obviously, you know, Nick Saban is one of them goats, but you won't see that from him. It won't be publicized enough. I think as far as a culture and impact thing, I don't think we'll ever see

a coach as close to Deion in a very long time period. It's going to be tough because he brings so much, but there's a blueprint being created. Yeah. And so now you're going to see kids getting more attention. You're going to see more of the stuff. Because if you're a player, you look at things from one perspective

and then you step on the other side, but you still remember that first side. And so all Prime doing is showing y'all the things that he wished he had or he's seen it from a player's perspective and finding that happy medium because we still got to take care of business. He never get away from hard work, doing the things you got to do to win. To be successful, you got to do certain things. He never get away from that.

But he still, he don't trip on the things that other people trip on. They'll say, oh, well, you're on your Instagram too much. He telling you, he put Instagram names on the back. Let me get rid of all that. You know, so he like that cool, that cool uncle that you can go around and be yourself.

And those kids going to gravitate to him. I think if the next wave of coaches, if they don't take on that, they're going to lose out. You know, because you're going to have to be more than just, hey, why you not at practice? Why you doing it? You're going to have to be that father figure.

And a lot of us, you know, a lot of us, we didn't have those father figures. And so we find them in somebody along our journey. And the pros, Tony Dungy was the same thing, but a different approach. But he was the same exact thing when it came to athletes, especially a lot of athletes that's from single parent home. It's like, you can gravitate like, man, Dane, that's a cool daddy. That's a cool man. And you're like, man, I can rock with that. But you're still going to do exactly what he say, but it's the way he said. You ain't going to be like, nah, I ain't doing this. Nah, you're going to rock out and be like, man, I don't want to let him down because he treats you like a man. But it's super important

for him to let you know that like like, look, a family first. I'm here for you. It's bigger than sport. Once the athlete feel that, you got that athlete. Yeah, facts. You would have went there, Shiloh? Nah. You would have chose, if you played football, if you was a senior?

Nah, I wouldn't have went to Colorado. Right now, you wouldn't fucking with it? Nah. Why not? That ain't my type. I ain't a high-light, like, I ain't a that type of person. You are a discipline. Nah. I went to Wake ain't my type. I ain't a highlight. Like, I ain't a that type of person. Nah.

I went to Wake Forest. And that's what I'm saying. I'm trying to agree with you. Nah, I'm just saying that ain't my style. They got too much going on. Damn.

I'ma chill. I'm chill. But on the long side of the coaching shit, I think we're super fired with true coaching on Armored Models. The fact that

they get to see living proof. Yeah, I was in the same hallways y'all was in. I got the... But I'm on that prime at Pike. Oh, I was in the same hallways y'all was in. Yeah. I got the- But I'm on that prime at Pike. Oh, I know, that's why I'm on Instagram.

They gon' see. The video's coming. Yeah. Bro on that. Yeah. This first season about to get real. Yeah, for sure. Out the gate.

Now, Ish, obviously we talked about how you went crazy in college. Now it's time to go to the pros. How was your like draft process? And did you have an idea that you was going to be in Indianapolis? No, I really didn't. I never spoke to the coach. Never talked to them.

And that's what was so crazy about it. I was like, man, as long as I get in the first round, I ain't really tripping. I just want to go be an NFL player. And then as you start getting close to this thing, you start shaping up to where, you know, you saw Marshall Falk get traded. Well, the Colts got to get a running back. And everybody thought it was going to be Ricky Williams. So you're like, okay, well, I know I'm going to be like in the top 10, top 15, regardless.

So you never knew. I mean, you never know what's going to happen. But at the same time, you just keep working. Like I never went on like the banquet circuit. I didn't go nowhere. I just stayed in Miami. I stayed in Miami, just worked and just continued to work. I didn't have an agent. Like I wouldn't get an agent. I was like, I didn't believe in getting an agent or none of that. I just like, man, look, I'm gonna get myself drafted. I don't need nobody. All I need to do is stay here and work. And so, just continue working.

And draft day came, I had my little Nokia phone. Like, nobody had, like, I'm the plug. I'm the one you call. If I'm going to get drafted, I'm going to be the first one. I ain't going to go to no agent. Ain't going to go to nobody. Call me. And it went down from there.

Rob Markman, Then they called you on the Nokia with the snake on it? Rob Markman, The Nokia, you know. Rob Markman, Hold on. So So what made you go that route? Because only one person I know. Y'all Lamar. I knew Gilbert Arenas had no agent, and I knew Jalen Brown and maybe Ray Allen. What made you not have an agent? Because you meet these people.

I didn't really trust nobody, first of all. All I got is the people who I know. And then all of a sudden, you got all these people that start to push up on you. It started happening my sophomore year. They started to push up. I'm not trusting nobody. And then when I started looking at the whole... When you start looking at the overall thing, it's like,

what purpose are they going to serve me? I think aging is good for the player that needs somebody to push or that can get them to go speak for them. But a player that's knowing he going in the first round, it's like, dog, why you give up your leverage?

You control the cards. And so for me, I was like, nah, I don't need nobody. All I need to do is, I got University of Miami. I don't want to go nowhere. Everybody that was getting money, they ain't doing nobody getting the credit line. So they ain't giving you no money. And then, and then I had done flipped it. I had every agent that was recruiting me,

giving me money, but I had no ties to him. So that was how I was like, man, I don't see why everybody playing this game the wrong way, because it's too easy. It's a layup. Like you looking,

I got, I got 20, 30 of these dudes pushing up on me, trying to do all this for me. And I'm like, well, I'm just finna rock out and, okay, you want to give me some money? You want to do this for me? I'm not committed to nobody because I don't need nobody. And so I rolled it out like that. And I'm looking at everybody, they got credit line, they got vehicles, they got all. I'm like, I don't need that because everything I need is right there in Miami. Got the

strength conditioning coach right there. We got all the guys that have been to the pros before. I'm like, man, all I need to do is just go kill this fucking combine. If I kill this and I make sure I take care of my business, I already know I'm going first round. And I'm coming from one of the poorest

towns in Florida. So it's like everything I get is a bonus. And I'm coming from one of the poorest towns in Florida. So it's like, everything I get is a bonus. And I'm like, all I need is money one time. You give me money one time, you ain't got to never worry about me again. You know,

because I'm going to do something with it. I'm going to make sure I hold on to that and I'm going to value it. So I wasn't really tripping on, I got to get this agent to do this for me, get this person to do that for me. Like, I'm betting on myself. I always bet on myself and I still do it to this day. And it works. That's a good thing you just said.

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he would rather have 50 million in a championship instead of 100 million. I wonder where that conversation started from. It definitely came from our podcast, but it's all good. Shout to us. I said I'll get my ring up and take a max deal contract any day of the week. But you saying that reminds me what he was saying on the video. Like, he came from nothing.

If you give him $20 million, he can make $20 million and $250 million or whatever. Cool. You saying that, how do you feel about that? Nah, I mean,

I'm going to always go get the money. Like, because in this game, I'm going to give you my all. You know, I'm going to give you everything I got. But it's a team game. And in this team game, I'm going to give you my all. I'm going to give you everything I got. But it's a team game. And in this team game, if from the top all the way down to the last player, if they're not doing their part, I can't do nothing about that.

But I'm going to give you my everything. But I do know there's a window. And when you know poverty and you know what you don't have, it's like, I'm going to always keep that the main thing. I'm going to always take care of my business. You know, if you're a person that's coming from the financial success

or you already had all this stuff, then you can probably see it that way. But us, man, like, man, look, it's a game. I'm going to give you everything I got, but I'm going to need that money because I got to take care of down the road. And it's like, man, the line's a game. I'm going to give you everything I got, but I'm going to need that money because I got to take care down the road. And it's like, man, the line's so long.

I still got people asking. You know, it's like the line too long for us to sit up there and say, hey, I'm going to go and take this championship and take less. It's like, no, man, like you have to be a business person yourself. And the crazy part is like, I've personally been offered Super Bowl rings from players that needed money. You know what I'm like? And that just put things

in perspective. I'm like, y'all got a Super Bowl. What are you trying to sell it? So it tells you how serious it is. You know, like, man, get me the financials first.

Now, when the financials out of the way, okay, I would love to go to the highest of the high. But right now, man, we trying to dig out of this hole, this hole that we was birthed into. You know, so, and everybody, like, I think every, I think throughout every family, there's somebody that can break that mold. There's an opportunity that comes, but we don't always recognize it, and we don't always chase it. Sometimes we hold each other back, or you hold this person back. But if you got an opportunity to take your family out of that situation, there's no way you don't take it.

That's 100. We're going to revisit that championship conversation a little bit shortly. That's it. You come to the city, but before you come to the city, you ended up meeting your quarterback before you even knew you was going to be a coach. And what's crazy is, you talked about Marshall Folt.

That was a big deal for Colts fans, letting him go. And then number two, from the running back. Whole city thought, you know what I'm saying, the year before we had Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning. I don't know what the fuck they was on thinking it was supposed to be Ryan Leaf, but it was damn sure

they got it right with Peyton Manning. And then come back next year with you, everybody's like, oh, Ricky Williams, Ricky Williams. And then we get Edge. And some people were like, why did we do that? And then you came in first year

and went fucking crazy. I think it's like everybody, I'll tell you the importance of advertising. You know, advertising like that's why they pay so much for the Super Bowl advertising because they can push anything or can push the mind in any direction. But when you have a person that know what they're doing, it's like

Ricky's a great running back, you know. But for the coach's offense, it takes a different type of back. And that's why it's like you couldn't say, okay, yeah, he's better or I'm better. You had to say what's best for this situation. You know, because Ricky Williams wasn't somebody that had to sit up there and pass pro all the time. I had to pass pro at the University of Miami. We had to block.

We had to do all those things. In the coach's offense, you got to do those things. You got to be able to block. We had to do all those things. In the coach's offense, you got to do those things. You got to be able to catch. I don't know how well they catch or whatever, but me, I was one time about to be a receiver. So I can catch the ball and I can run the ball. So when you're talking about what makes sense for the Indianapolis Colts, not what makes sense from an advertising or from a popularity standpoint. You know, Bill Polian and Mr. Ursa, they, man, they, they understand what it takes to build a championship team. So they did what's best for the organization,

not best from a popularity standpoint. I think sometimes people get caught up in trying to win people over versus saying, I'm going to do what's best for me. I'm going to do what's best for y'all. I'm not going to do what's best for me. And then all of a sudden, you know,

if things don't work out, they still going to switch out on you. Ron Leaf and Ricky Williams would have been a for me. And then all of a sudden, you know, if things don't work out, they still going to switch out on you. Ron Leaf and Ricky Williams would have been a nasty combo. In another timeline, the coach had Ron Leaf and Ricky Williams and they were ass.

Ricky Williams would have been a big goddamn. Hey, shout out to Ricky. Ricky was cold. Ricky run that ball, man. Definitely cold. He definitely was cold. But they didn't like

his off the field shenanigans. Oh, in this state, boy, the way they be acting towards us, they would have hated Ricky. Ricky was the first Wiz Khalifa. Talk about it. The first pack on deck. And they was hating. When you look at the running back field now,

who like remind you of yourself? Before Zeke. Yeah. When Zeke was on his thing he was he was running real solid like low pad level finished the run strong

you know that was that was one person I was like yeah he he got that total package game you know right now

I gotta kinda see who the new wave of guys cause right now you know it's it's turned to a passing league so you don't really get a chance

to see who can do it all. Right now, McCaffrey probably the best running back out there because he can do both. Every game. Yeah. I got a question off that one. What about out of the Miami running backs,

Clint Portis, Willis McGahee, or Frank Gore? Out of them three, who do you think? I always, like, I think it's a situation. It's all situational. It's like everybody always try to compare, like, who the best running back. Like, I always defer because, like, man, I'm already stamped. Goatee, goatee. I'll just say, who reminds you of you?

Nah, it's like everybody's style different. Like, man, if Portis took football more serious, Portis would have been killing it even more in the league. That's your man, too. Yeah. And then you got Frank, man. If you look at what Frank went through, Frank show you what it's like to have it in here.

Go. And then Willis, man. If Willis don't get hurt, man, Willis cold. Willis raw, man. You know what I'm saying? So we had dudes that they had their own style, but at the end of the day, they was great. And everybody has a story.

It's like when you look at everybody, you're like, man, I'll take any one of them any day, and I don't even have to look back. Last running back question, I promise. But we look at today's current climate, running backs look at the situation with the Colts with like JT and them figuring that out. And then you look in the way that they're doing running

backs in the market for it now. Obviously, we know how great you are. You would have adapted this league because you can pass block and you can catch no problem. But if you were coming up in this area, would you maybe have thought about playing a different position? Obviously, you say you might have been a wide receiver at one point. With the way that they have the market now, would you have thought about switching positions? Or your kid

wanted to play that position in Paul's? Would you want to steer him away from playing running back? Well, I do have a son that plays running back. He's at Howard. He's actually pretty nice. But I told him, you better up your passing game. You better get to where you're running your routes. Because if you don't do that, you know, you start looking at this thing, it's not going to work in your favor. But if you can play three downs, you can be a third down back, you can catch that ball, you can block, you can do it all, you got a better chance of being one of the top payers.

And you look at the highest paid right now is McCaffrey. But he can do it all. And so, as a running back, I think, you know, in the top pay and you look at the highest pay right now is McCaffrey, but he can do it all. Yes, sir. And so as a running back, I think, you know, I think they're going to need some, they're going to need to be some adjustments. May, of course, the running back not getting treated that we all, the way we all think is fair, but you know, it's a business and we know it's going to happen however it happened. So I just think you up your game. You learn how to get in that passing game, become part of that. Because if you look at Debo Samuels on the 49ers, he's a running back.

He's not a wide receiver. Yeah, he can do it all. So I think the evolution of the game is going to turn into where you got to be able to do a little bit more. Because it's not so much as we're just going to sit there and just pound this thing no more. It's not happening. It don't look like it unless there's some rule changes or something. Rob Markman That's real. Now I got to ask man, because you so important to this city and the culture that you brought to the city. Obviously you get drafted, you come here. What was your first impression like being in NAP?

NAP was cool. It was different, but people was nice. And NAP is like. Like, it was, you know, it was different, but, like, people was nice. You know, it was like, and NAP is like black, white. You know, it ain't like... A little bit more of one than the other. Yeah, like, down south, you know, you don't know what you're talking to, you know, until they actually say something. You know, so it was more of, like, cut and dry to where it's like, okay, this the way the city go. And then once I linked up with our people, it was like, man, it's actually pretty cool because now I can move around in these areas and I wasn't really tripping. It gave me, you know, and then they was inviting,

they was welcoming. And so it wasn't really no thing where you like, like I'm out of place, you know. But the thing, I was so young and you're in a situation where like, I don't know what's good or bad. I don't know if you wear these called Hallville or whatever. Well, tell us about some of the spots you was pulling up to though. They'd be like, man, don't go.

And I used to go to high school football game. Oh, you don't want to go to Arlington? I'm like, man, I'm going over there. They had you at the Arlington Rumble game? You embraced the... Yeah, Derrick Ellis, man. Yeah, he was cold. Ellis, he was cold.

Cold as a bitch. And I'm like, man, I'm going to the game. That's what we do. We go to football games. We go and we get in the thick of things. And, you know, you get all these warnings like, hey, don't go here. Don't go there. And I'm like, I don't really know no difference, you know.

It's like, man, we're going to go here. We're going to go hang here. And we're going to kick it in. Of course, you know, like when you grow up in the elements, you already kind of know like, okay, you know what to look out for. You know, okay, yeah, this thing looking a little out of pocket right now. I need to move around.

And so you're going to move a certain way. And man, that was nothing but love from the beginning. And then it's like the things that we like to do, like we like to come outside. We like, you know,

I was into the old school car. They got the... Still got the old school. Pulled up with it in the city a couple weeks ago. Yeah, and it's like, that's why I said we could have went to Riverside, but they said it's Sunday. We were trying to go on Saturday. It shut down.

They just shut it down last week. It's a car show tomorrow too, somewhere, but I got something to do. But that was cool. We bring the cars up here, and then you start getting your teammates from Florida and from down south. Like, hey, man, let's get these cars. We all young.

You know, we young. We're like, man, let's get out. Let's flex through the city. Let's have fun. And, man, it was fun. That gave us something to do, especially when you had to come to, like, the workouts for off-season workouts. That's the dead time.

But the weather's good in that. You come up here, you get to pull out, pull out the vert, go through, hang out. And so it was actually pretty cool because we brought that South Florida, our comfort zone right up here, and it wasn't like you was out of place. Man, Edge was on track. Edge was outside, dog. He was on Riverside on Sundays. You was in Ripple.

Yeah, everywhere. You and Lance Stevenson, the first thing. The Kings of Brown Ripple. Man, y'all the only people the city love. Man, you and Lance. What was y'all Monday night spot? We used to have this at the mall. I used to have this Monday night football.

That was the spot. Every time. I used to have this Monday night football. That was the spot, like, every time. Like, I even brought Peyton down, you know, brought Peyton down one time. You brought Pete Murdoch outside? Yeah. Like, but that was part of our team bonding. And Pete, he's super cool, man. Pete, he cool as hell, man. I don't think people get it.

The real people don't get the chance to see how cool a dude is, you know? But, you know, that's to each his own, you know, like, shit, we still vibe, we still kick it, but he came out to Monday Night Football, that was actually cool, and a lot of people was surprised or shocked, and I'm like, man, I thought

this what ball players do, because down in South Florida, like, man, the Dolphins players, they outside, you know, the Heat players, they out. You know, you're used to seeing that. Rob Markman But they kind of had to, Edge, because y'all was bigger stars than them. Rob Markman But at the same time, you getting the pros,

man, it's like you made it. So it's like, man, every chance I get to celebrate and hang out, I'm out there. You know, it's like you got to be out there. And so I thought it was the norm. And then everybody was like, I can't believe you here. I can't believe you outside. I'm like,

I thought that's what we do because like, man, you know how hard it is to make it? Like, man, we made it.

I'm 21 years old. It's up. Man, I'm not giving up my Monday or Tuesday when I don't have to, you know? For sure.

How was that life for you? Obviously, once you got acclimated to ATL, like, how would you embrace it going outside? Because the city fuck with you. They still fuck with you to this day. Atlanta's one of our biggest markets in the podcast. Shout out to ATL. It was up. It was up.

I was 20 when I got there, turned 21. It was up, man. I was with a whole bunch of people who had a whole bunch of money, so I didn't have to spend any money. So all the old heads, Josh, Joe, Jamal,

they all took care of me. So I went out with them and then Mike Bibby was my vet and Mike Bibby wanted to go out all the time. Like he was getting

a little later in his career so he was like, he was outside. So anytime I wanted to go anywhere, he like, let's go. And then I had to

pick him up. I had to do all the rookie stuff. Damn, he was a proud Uber. Yeah, to pick him up. I had to do all the rookie stuff. Damn, he was a proud Uber. Yeah, I was a Uber. I was the first Uber for Bibby, but nah, I ain't know nothing different. So when I got older, like going out still to this day, like now my wife, she'd be

like, where you going now? I'm like, man, I just got to move around. Like, I'm used to it. So it's all good. That's for sure, man. Like you came into the league and the Colts were eh, but then as soon as you got there, it changed. And I remember y'all having that real, real, real important game against my Cowboys.

How was that playing in that game? Because I know you look forward to that moment. Nah, that was a game like, you know, it was like we had been named the baby triplets or the new triplets. And to actually be playing against the Cowboys, I grew up in South Florida, Deion Sanders, 239. He like the legends to everybody. Anything Deion is up.

And so I got a chance to actually be on the field with Deion. You see Mike. You see Emmitt. You see Mike. You see Emmitt. You see Troy. I think one of them didn't play, but we still, you know, you find yourself during the game. You know, you're supposed to be going through your reps. You're supposed to be going through all your stuff.

But you find yourself steady looking back. You're steady looking back. You want to check out, like, how they did it, what they do. And that was one of the games that you will never forget. And then we actually won that game here. So that was big. That was one of the things where it's like, we've arrived. And I think all of us, we embrace that situation because you always got to pay homage to the people that came before you. And those are the reason why you where you're at, because you have a milestone or you have an example and they were the example

how they worked together and we just came and we worked together. You know, if it's, if we got to pass, we're going to pass and I'm going to block

every time. You know, if we got to run, more than one do their thing. You know, they're going to pass, block. I mean,

they're going to run, block out there and do their thing every time. So you embrace it. You know, you start understanding, like,

man, this is what a team is about. And that's why they were so successful. Who was your vet? Who was my vet? When you got to the Colts, who embraced you? Cornelius Bennett. You know, he had came from Buffalo Bills.

He had been over there, had success. He was one of the guys. And then other than that, it really wasn't, you know, of course, Marv was there. But, you know, you got to get to know Marv before. Like, Marv don't let you in until you get to know him. You know, I was young. And so then me and Marv, man, me and Marv became like this, man, like every day. But, you know, when you first get there, probably Cornelius Bennett, he was the guy that was every day telling you how you do this.

This is how you do that. This is how you practice. This is how you deal with family stuff. This is how you go about certain things. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small. Through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance, you can learn to face the mountain that is in front of you.

You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle. This is the thing that's in front of me. You can't make that mountain move without actually diving into that. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, a time to conquer the things that once felt impossible and step boldly into the best version of yourself

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Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. For sure. Now, obviously, we know what you did with the Colts. Obviously, you're in the Hall of Fame. We're going to talk about that, too. But your last year with the Colts, did you think you were going to leave Indianapolis? Where was the numbers thing?

Like, anybody that put a personal feeling in this business, you set yourself up for failure. So for me, I've always known that, okay, if the salary cap doesn't go up to certain numbers, it's either I'm going to have to devalue myself or a decision has to be made.

So I'm never tripping on any of that stuff because you remember when I come into this thing, I'm thinking, man, business first. Because I'm coming to a business, it's business first for me always. And so I ain't tripping on this. I'm not tripping on this. I'm not tripping on that. And it's like, no, you, you enjoy the moment. You enjoy the time. And we, we, um, we created something special here and it always be here. But no, when the rules are the rules and you got to always play by the rules. Yeah. But did it hurt a little bit when he was like, all right, I'm in my new situation.

We going crazy. Then you look up and it's like, the coach did what? Nah. Nah, because you got to remember, when you real about what you say and you live by what you say, it don't move you. You're not affected. You know what I'm saying? I'm pure. When I say, man, I ain't tripping, I'm really not tripping. When I say, I do, I really do.

When I say, I don't, I really don't. And it's when people, like I think sometimes when people say something and they have a feeling other than it contradicts what they say, like you ain't really what you're saying. Like me, I'm really what I'm saying. So when it's time for me to move on, you know, and then they get, they got Joseph Adai. Yes, sir. You know, I make sure I let Joseph Adai say everything you need to know. You know, anything you need to know about this offense,

I know this offense inside out. I'm going to help you out. I'll teach you anything. Call me. Whatever you need. I want to make sure that you be able to have success in this game. You know, and to a lot of people, they don't think like that. They don't.

Because, man, this is my family. You know, it's your family, but at the same time, business trumps certain things. And so, man, I'm not mad to go get some money and move on and not get a chance to go and make new friends and experience something different. And then, plus, it's a challenge for me. I went to one of the worst teams and was able to make it to the Super Bowl. You know, so it's like, when you look back, you're like, dang, I made it. I jumped out on a limb and I did something that nobody else probably wouldn't have done.

But that's what's part. That's part of what makes you you. You're like, man, like, I know I'm special. I know I'm somebody that can make a difference or betting on myself. And I went out and I had success. You know, it didn't end the way you wanted it to end. Like, you wanted to win

that Super Bowl, but you think about it, you're taking a team that never, ever did nothing. Nothing. And you're in the Super Bowl.

You know, that's a big deal. That's a major accomplishment. And then to watch the Colts go to the Super Bowl, it was like down in Miami. I had everybody out hanging out,

kicking it, and like, I ain't tripping. And then the owner gave me a ring. You know, it's just out hanging out, kicking it, and like, I ain't tripping. And then the owner give me a ring. You know, it's just out of respect. You know, it's like, I ain't play the game, but that just show you how much you mean to the organization and the impact you had. That, man, you know what? This is my family. Like, you can't sit up there and say, man, this is not my family because I'm over here. Once you say this is my family, that's your family.

Family is forever. You can't get divorced at. And that's real. He talk about it all the time, his temp job he had in Boston, but he talk about how he really connected with his team for the first time. Not the first time, my temp job. Yeah, he was on the assignment. I was.

I was there for about 30 days. He was on the aid. But it's cool there for about 30 days. You was on late. But it's cool. Nah, but them really became my bros. Yeah. Yeah, I rocked with them dudes, man. I was only there for three months, three or four months.

A little cup of coffee? Yeah, I had some donuts from Dunkin', but that's about it. But that's real. Your approach about that is real because a lot of people be, oh, well, I don't like them. I done went to war with these dudes.

I done got a personal relationship. Just because I got a different job. That's like in real life a lot of people be, oh, well, I don't like you no more. Like, I done went to war with these dudes. I done got a personal relationship just because I got a different job. That's like in real life, you get mad at somebody like, ah, I switched jobs. Don't fuck with y'all no more. Like, damn, we was just cool last week. It's bigger, like, man, a lot of people, they look at sports and they just keep everything about sports. Man, this is real life. Like, these are the people you're going to deal with. Like, still to this day, I make a phone call to anybody on that team. You know, the connection is still there. It's like,

how are you going to sit up there and just go against something? And you see somebody doing something and they're having success. You're supposed to be so happy for them. You know, it's like, I probably partied more than them. I was like, man, y'all got to go get ready for practice. I'm out. I'm in the club. I got to hang out. Because you have to be a secure person. You can't be weak. You can't be influenced by outsiders.

And one thing about the media and the way it works is to trigger you. Nobody can trigger me because everything is real right here. It's like, you're not going to say, oh, well, the Colts did you this. Man, the Colts took good care of me. I was one of the highest paid running backs through the history of the game. Talk about it.

How can I be mad at them? And proof that the relationship is strong. Look at where I'm at today. I'm still working with the Colts. So it's like, you can't let people get you off your square. And I think a lot of times, away from football, people let outside people influence them. And they mess up things for them going forward. They don't even see it happening.

When this man just played you out of a good position. And you tripping on this dude when this dude really got your back. This dude really don't have nothing to gain from you. But now you let somebody get in your ear and trigger you to make you go against this person when this person never had nothing to gain from you and just pure love for you. And now you don't play yourself out of that situation. It's like, I never let nobody play me out of the situation. You're not going to beat me off my square.

Evidently, like you said, you can't have nobody in a position to where the game's going to be the game no matter who plays the play. But you're going to have those people who really genuinely care for you who don't. You don't want to trick yourself out of your situation, like you said. And obviously, the way you're still one of the biggest ambassadors for the Colts. Anytime it's event, you see Ed's there, you know it's for real. You still got that same rapport like you did in the 90s as you do now. And what's more important about that is Hall of Famer. Like, you are a Hall of Fame running back.

You are a Hall of Fame player. A lot of people don't make that. And you did that off being solid. So, it make it even better because when you look and see Edge, Edge is Edge. Edge is still outside. Ain't stopped being outside. That you are like the icon of like being yourself, taking care of business,

and still being respected and put on the pedestal the way you're supposed to. I'm with Bubba Chuck. Hey, talk about it, man. Yeah, you and Chuck. When I used to be in Atlanta, yeah, I used to be like,

I see Chuck outside. Yeah. I see Edge. I used to be like, yeah, he be at that Cheesecake Factory. Cheesecake Factory, yeah, yeah. At Cumberland. He know what I'm talking about

if he listening. I used to be like, man, they just live life. Somehow I got to get there. I don't know. They leave the Phantom outside. He wasn't tripping. Then you see Edge.

You see him. They just living. They have enjoying themselves. I'm like, man, they doing something right. Life treating them good because some other people I know, they can't go to the club still or they going to the club and like,

you know, searching. You know what I'm talking about. They like... I just, man, when I look, it's like, man, sometimes, even when I like talk to like people in the media, like you see somebody got a media job. Yeah.

But then when they get off camera... They talking real. They the coolest motherfuckers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, hold up, man. You not being yourself. They the coolest motherfuckers. You like, man, hold up, man, you not being yourself.

You not being you. Hey, whoo! And that always, I'm like, man, like, yo,

you gonna, you gotta be what you are. You get the best out of you when you just be who you are. It's like, people gonna accept you and going through this thing is like,

I got here, I was always me I said if I make it to the Hall of Fame I'm going to make it to the Hall of Fame being me and that's one thing I take pride in because you know they got these stigmas out there that you have to go and suck up to the media

or you got to go do this you got to be politically right you got to do all these things when like man it's about bottom line can you ball? Did you do what it take? And when your number is called, man, they're going to do all they, whatever they do in those rooms. And if it check out, they're going to call your number. How was that for you when you found out you was going to be in the Hall of Fame?

Like, obviously, you put in the work you knew you was eligible for. You should be in there like you are. But how was that process for you and to get that call to find out? How was that for you? For me, I waited so many years. I don't know how many years I waited, but I knew it would happen eventually. But I never was one of those guys that said, I'm going to go to the hotel, wait on a knock. That was kind of the process they had in the past. But I was like, nah, I'm not doing that.

Like, I ain't with all that monkey. I don't do all that. You know, it's like, I'm not going to put my family through that and I'm not going to waste my time.

So I'm going to have everything. I'm just going to live my life as if, like, ain't nothing happening. And if it do happen, man, I'm quick on my feet.

I know how to get to the event. And so I was just laying in the bed. I was just chilling, getting ready for the nightlife because it was in Miami. And I got the phone call. When I got the phone call, it was like, man, that shit real. And next thing you know, everything just, just went full throttle. You know, you only had like an hour or less than two hours to be at this awards show.

You had to be, you had to be ready, you know. Damn. Because that's why they want you in the hotel. You know, but like me,

I'm like, nah, I'm not, I ain't put myself in that situation. You know, like that, I think that right there

builds resentment, anger. You see a lot of guys, they be angry. Like I ain't put myself in that situation. You know, like, I think that right there builds resentment, anger. You see a lot of guys, they be angry. Like, I ain't put my, like, you'll never catch me angry because I'm not about to go sit in a hotel room waiting on a knock. Nah, that's not going to happen. Because like they did my boy from the Cowboys. I think Drew Pearson, they had him waiting all them years to do that. Like, man, like, you forget how good you were

and make you feel some type of way. It's like you said, you got to enjoy your food celebrity post-football. A lot of people, even in basketball, once they stop playing basketball, life changes. They stop playing their sport, life changes. And you get that doubt and that resentment because you're trying to adjust to a different type of life. But that man that waited that long to get that call was just like, I can see how nerve-wracking that is. So there ain't no way you could just sit there and be like, all right, be in this hotel. I hope these niggas knock today.

Like, that's a crazy feeling. I got the perfect approach, man. Just live. Just go through, live. The one year, it was in Atlanta. I ain't get the call, but I ain't trip. I go to the day party. It's like, man, in life, you got to have these counters.

It's always going to be ups and downs. It's going to be good things, bad things. But every time something happened that you wanted to happen or it didn't happen like you expected it to happen, man, you got to counter that with something else. You know, so I counter everything with life. Man, what made you like that? Man, I just think looking at, just looking at, man, like,

I look at all these people disappointed and I mean these people that's disappointed in this and they always blaming this. They got like, I'm like, man, dog, I made it out of nothing. Like, so I got a greater appreciation for everything. It's like, you can't really get me to trip. Like, man, I get to actually leave where I grew up. I get a chance to see the world. I get a chance to be around people. Ain't no way I can trip. Like, man, I get to actually leave where I grew up. I get a chance to see the world. I get a chance to be around people. Ain't no way I can trip. Like, how can I trip when knowing where we coming from? And then as an African-American, you're looking like, man, we put in situations

where we ain't really able to experience life. So if I got a chance to experience life, you think I'm going to give that up? You think I'm going to waste any day on some stuff that I can't control? It's like, man, what's next? Okay, we can't go here. Okay, what's next? If I go to a club, somebody say, oh, well, you're, all right, cool. That means we need to be somewhere else. You know, anything I can't get, I just go to something that's not for me.

Or like, man, dang, I got to get my weight up. I get my weight up, I'll be back. But right now, they don't see me the way that I probably thought they seen me. Like, everything is up, man. I'm going to have a good day every day. That's why you're going to see me outside every day doing something. And when people look at it like, damn, they think you out just partying, girl. No, outside, man, it's a mentality.

Like, man, I'm not sitting around being in a confined area. I'm not being in a space to where I got to do what everybody else traditionally doing. I'm doing whatever I feel like doing that day. You know, I ain't doing nothing illegal. I ain't doing nothing to hurt nobody. But I'm going to have some fun. And I'm going to get all the toys, everything to have fun every day. I'm going to take it back to the field.

What was you listening to in the warm-ups to get you prepared for the game? I had a strong playlist, but Trick Daddy was down south. 305. Trick Daddy had this one song, I used to listen to it every,

nah, it was about my money. He got a song, I think I think it's hard his hardest song to me is Bop My Money and that was my mentality

yeah you know all the time I used to listen to a lot of Jay-Z you know there we go now before the game tap in that's a crazy

you had to walk me back then too they didn't have MP3s Jay-Z, Tupac Trick Daddy um no not about my favorite Trick Daddy song is Thug Holiday.

Man, you gotta listen. You little boy. You little boy. He's commercial. What you mean? Thug Holiday was hard. Go listen to About My Money. Listen to About My Money.

It's a whole, it's like a whole nother mentality, but that was like my mentality in the league. It was like, man, look, I came here to do what I came here to do. Yeah.

Because, man, when you, when you able to take care of your mom, I'm still, man, look, I came here to do what I came here to do. Because, man, when you're able to take care of your mama, I'm still to this day taking care of my mama. I seen you got your mama with. I seen the punch out to mama. Yeah, like, you don't know how good it feel to barely just, I never told this lady no. She might say some of the most weird shit to go get. You know what I'm saying?

All I say, okay, give me some time. I'll get it. So I take pride in not saying no to my mama. You know what I'm saying? And football afforded me that. So I got to respect the game. I got to appreciate the game. But when you look at it and you say, man, dang, that's a long run.

But I told her, hey, everything you want, you're going to get. You know, you're going to get it. And if I ain't got it right now, man, I'm back on the plane, hitting all the spots. I'm going to do whatever it take. And I'm going to come home. Anytime I leave home,

man, I leave home with a certain amount and I'm going to come back with more. That's always been my mentality. Like if I leave, I got to come back with more. I ain't coming back till'll come back with more. That's always been my mentality. Like if I leave, I got to come back with more. I ain't coming back till I come back with more. So once you start getting those mentalities or once you start getting that mindset, you know, things change, you know, your perspective change. And you're like, man, look, my mama ain't going to never have to ask nobody for nothing, you know? And I got

brothers, I got everybody else. Man, y'all just sit back ask nobody for nothing. You know? And I got brothers. I got everybody else. Man, y'all just sit back. I got this. You know? And so that's what I'm going to do every time. And I'm going to stay hustling. I'm going to stay moving regardless of whatever.

They be like, man, you done made this. You need to relax. Like, I'm relaxing when I'm hustling. Like, that's therapy to me. You know what I'm saying? Hustling is therapy. You listen to Jay-Z for sure. That's what I'm saying.

What's your favorite Jay-Z song? I got a lot of them, man. Imaginary Players is top tier. He got a lot of them. Yeah, Jay-Z got them. He got a lot of them. But I respect what you're saying about your mom.

I'm a little different. I got to tell my mama no. Nah. I don't do that to my mom. No, what? No, you got to think. First of all, your mom's wants, they decrease.

Oh, no. Not my mom. You know? They're going to decrease. No, no. They did. They did. They decrease as you get older.

Because they start, like, things don't, they don't value those things as much. My mama just like to stunt for the church. Oh, well, that's a different. She's a pilgrim. My mama like to show up at friendship, don't she? Show up to mama T, fifth row in the middle. Nah, man.

I'm like, man, I gotta say yeah, man. Because like, it's too easy. It's like, how you can go to the club and spend $10,000, $20,000, $30,000? Don't say that. She gonna be on me. You know what she told me yesterday?

Her birthday coming up. She got a celebration coming up. And she like, you would take your friends to Miami and spend $20,000? But if I say... Real trip daddy. Oh, he know where you're going. That's where you're going. He's coming out.

He's coming out. He's waking up. The boy waking up. But no, I just have to do it because I just don't feel right knowing that, man, this person got my back. And if you play sports or you deal with people, you're going to see so many people turn on you. You're going to see so many people disagree and go in the other direction and wish they can show you up. But then you're going to have that few that are going to stand down. And it's like, there's no way.

If I can make it happen, I'm going to make it happen. That boy love his mama. Don't let him. Nah, anything my mama asks for, I get it. She's going to start asking my brother, too. He made it to the NBA. I just said, yeah, sir. You got a traditional point here.

She got two kids. That way she get a double dip. Yeah, you're going to have to start dipping a little more that way. He said, use that other phone number. Yeah, call that other 317 to start dipping a little more that way. He said, use that other phone number. Yeah, call that other 317. I'm on every time. Shout out to the Moogster.

Yeah. Nah, she can have it. Nah, Moog, you played it right. Send her to Jeff. Yeah, nah, she can have whatever she want. It's all good. Man, it's actually cool.

It's like a challenge, man. Like, me, I'm like, man, I want to see the day that I have to say no. I don't even know if that, I mean, first of all, it ain't going to happen. As long as I'm able to get out here and hustle and make something happen, I'd never be have to say no, I don't even know if that, I mean, first of all, it ain't going to happen. As long as I'm able to get out here and hustle and make something happen, I'll never be able to say no.

But I love the challenge. I like the challenge of life because once you get in this position, man, everything is green. You can do whatever you want to do. I got enough money to take care of myself forever. I'm not a person that want all this and want all that. I just like to live good, have fun, make sure everybody's straight. And so it's a game to me. You know, I love the game.

I love to sit up there and say, okay, let me go make some money. You know, I might have a- You sound like Mitch. Yeah, yeah. I love the hustle, man. I love, man. I'm telling you, like- You know, man, sometimes I push up and the dude be thinking he can just shoot me a basketball.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I be like, man, I'm talking about. And it be small money, too. But you see how hard I grind for that little money? That little money. That little money. He was shooting for hours. For hours for that little money.

Now, imagine what I do for the big money. It go crazy, man. I don't know if y'all ever get this footage, but these two over here, y'all got to talk about it. Before we get up out of here, y'all got to talk about that.

We ain't going to knock the hustle. We ain't going to, we ain't going to unreal the hustle. Man, you, the losers get the best interviews, man. So, I'm proud of you. Shout out to,

just solo camera. No, no, no, no. Shout out to the first finesse two times. This is, this is goddamn. I put that, I put that Tito's on him. This is the first finesse two times. This is goddamn. I put that Tito's on him. This is the first finesse two times. Hey, Tito's, we on the volume.

Cut my mans a check. We ain't playing no more. I'm telling you, man. I'm going to have to change my vodka, man. Tito's don't take care of me. Tito's, y'all playing fire. Y'all going to see this too because we tagging y'all. Hey, I had other vodka companies reach out.

They was like, man, you always talking about you on that Tito's. I'm like, hey, step up. Your last chance. That motherfucker Tito's had him hooping like he was on space jail. Hey, he fell for it. I was like, hey, but you're going to see the footage. Main Man. I went to Main Man in the camera.

I said, Main Man, they always fall for this. Shout out to Main Man. Shout out to Main Man. That's my little nigga. Shout out to Main Man. He got his own footage. I got my own footage. Shout out to my man. He got his own footage. Yeah, yeah. I got my own footage.

He do. He called. I told you they called. And you got to remember, Deion Sanders teaches you a real good lesson. You better keep some receipts because you don't. Yeah, that's a fact.

Them people going to sit up there and blast you. They tried to blast Prime. Prime went right in the archives. Oh, he did. Yeah, he did. Man, look. I always need them receipts. Yep.

I always keep them receipts. We appreciate you coming through again, though, bro. For sure, he did. Man, look. I always need them receipts. Yep. I always keep them We appreciate you coming through again, though, bro, for sure. Thank you so much, man. For sure. Real love in the city. If y'all act right,

y'all might see that footage, you know what I'm saying? Be here, and Edge out here on the court going crazy. No, I know. Hey, Mike, these niggas call me,

I just saw he call me laughing on the phone. Like, they dropping that footage. It's going to be some footage, man. Y'all got the footage? Yeah Like, they dropping that footage. There's going to be some footage, man. Y'all got the footage? Yeah, they is dropping that footage for sure.

I lost two. You might get some action, man. You might get some action. I was shooting from half court, though. But we getting on that dice. Yeah, man. I had to go against the NBA. Hey, bro.

You got T money, too? I was shooting from half court. Nah, nah, nah. T was trying to get him back. T was trying to get back for him. T kind of finessed me, too. but we'll talk about that off camera too. Also. I didn't quit.

And it was, we had a, we and you had a final bet that I didn't quit. Nah, I was still playing. I was still playing too. Nah, we not doing this tonight. The court right there turned the lights on. I was still playing. I had a final loss that was left on the table. Shut up.

Hey, endurance pause is crazy. It's crazy. I'm telling you, we all started all night, man, look. Hey, hey. Shout out. Hey, endurance. Pause. It's crazy. It's crazy. I'm telling you, we outside all night, man. Like, hey. And, and, look, hey. Man, he get tired. You know, hey, you care about that little outfit you got on?

You care about the little outfit and shoes you got on? I don't care about mine. I don't care about mine. Okay. Turn the lights off. I ain't scared of them, no. I ain't worried about them, no. I ain't scared. I don't believe in them. Okay. Turn the lights off. I ain't scared of him. No, I ain't worried about him.

I ain't scared. I'm with you. Hey, shooting for three and a half hours, man. I ain't scared of the episode. We got shit to do. I done scared this man, now. You ain't scared of me. I ain't scared.

I ain't worried. If they say, hey, you want to go shoot against Edge, he going to find every excuse in the book to duck that. No, I'm not. I don't really. Because if I ask him right now, you want to turn them lights on? Watch what he gonna say.

Yeah. No, I really got something to do tonight. I tell you got something to do. No, real shit, I really do got something to do tonight. Man, push him out. I'm gonna let you have the phone camera. No, what you gonna make where you going? Ooh.

I ain't gonna make nothing where I'm going. That's real shit. No, that's real shit. Let's go $100 a shot. But I got to go. I got to go. I got to go. I got to go. I got to go.

I got to go. I got to go. I got to go. I got to go. I ain't going to lie. Oh yeah. Hey, the bottom. Kick him a little bit more.

I'm about to get some of that. I ain't going to lie. Edge might be the best shooter I see that plays football. Don't tell nobody that, man. Don't. Antonio Gates can shoot too. Yeah, he can. I see you there playing football. Don't tell nobody that, man. Don't. Now you going to throw my action. Antonio Gates can shoot too. Yeah, he can.

Man, hey, don't throw my action, man. Let them be the best, man. All right. I just followed up in. I ain't going to lie. When you hit 32 in a row that one time, I'm tired of this shit. I gave him some jelly, man. But don't give him a game up, man.

I ain't going to give you a game up. Hey, man, listen. I've been doing this for a long time. Hey, when you started teaching him how to shoot, that started getting ridiculous. Yeah. That's when it started getting ridiculous. Yeah, that's when he's out of pocket.

Yeah, that's when I was like, all right, hold up. I'm like, all right, this nigga. He's Illuminati or something. Yeah, see. Don't put that on anybody. No, what he did was, man, like, he judged me. See, I do something to people that judge me. That's how I do it.

Anybody that judge me, man, I'm aimed at you, man. Cause I'm like, look, man, you ain't supposed to judge me, man. Give me a chance. Don't look at my first shot. That first shot was crazy. It was nasty. And it had my mans going crazy.

That first shot was crazy. I was like, here's his free money. When I see him come out the sweatsuit and put the Tito's down, I say, okay, my boy getting it for him. Nah, yeah, no. He shot his first five and then all of a sudden he came alive.

I want next time we come, you here forever. But we playing one-on-one. That's all. We playing one-on-one. For one-on-one, I'm gonna tell you, you ain't gonna beat me first of all. I am. I'm putting you in a post.

I promise you ain't gonna beat me. But this is what I'm saying. You 45, it's over the knee shot. This is what I'm telling you. This is what I'm telling you. We gonna play. You gonna have to wear some real basketball shoes. Not them Usain Boats.

Not with you. You got to get some real hooper shoes. Now you want to be with, you don't pay instantly, so you got to have your money all paid. You know,

you got this little, you got this little, this little delayed thing. You got this little, I got to go borrow, I got to go round it up. I don't know what it is. Yo,

we going to check the real story. It took my man a week to pay that little money. So if I'm going to play against you. Man, man had a miscommunication. We going to put the first ball. Man, man was here. We putting the money on the wood. Everybody, everybody, everybody have their business.

Nah, forget what I was going to say. What'd you say? You going to put it on the wood? We going to put the money. We going to put the money on the wood. We going to put a lot of money. Cause I'm only gonna play one game. That's fine.

No, let's play best out of three. No. Let's play one game. No, you got dope energy. I wanna play for big stadium cause I'm gonna beat. One to seven. I'm gonna beat you, man. I'm gonna beat you, man.

Like, I'm gonna beat you. Yo, later on, I see you cross over and pull up. I said, oh, he Christmas. Man. He's a set shooter. Bruce Boyd-ass. This man right here. I told y'all to get us those interviews.

Hey. Hey. We told y'all we on season two. Volume. We like this. Shout out to Edge for pulling up again. This is family. You're going to see this space a lot more in this seat.

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