Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Derrick Rose on NBA retirement, MVP season with Bulls, scoring 50 with Timberwolves

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 110 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys sit down with Derrick Rose for his first appearance since announcing his retirement from the NBA after his career with the Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks, and more. Jeff and D-Rose talk about playing against each other in AAU basketball as kids, becoming the youngest MVP in NBA history, and being teammates on the Minnesota Timberwolves. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're here for a reason. We're going to introduce him last, though. To my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Henn, out to prayer leaves. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. I'm back, baby. Let's get to it.

Yeah, you got your one PTO day here. I appreciate the shout out to B. Swift, legend, holding it down for 42 Doug, my dog, Henn. But I'm glad you pulled back up to work, my boy. I'm back. I'm back. Let's get to it day here. I appreciate the shout out to B Swift Legend holding it down for 42 Doug, my dog Hen, but I'm glad you pulled back up to work, my boy. I'm back. I'm back. Let's get to it,

baby. Now, D-Roll, you know what I'm saying? I know you've been a lot of places, especially, you know what I'm saying,

from the shot. Those shoes over here, you see the black forces with the white laces. When you, you know what I'm saying, you at the crib and you see those,

what's the first thing that come to your mind? For sure, you jacking. Jacking something. Watch out, bro. I don't steal i heal you the white lace is me it's crazy so y'all calling me a scammer i mean you said you showing it hey you always talk about the

nigerians you might it might be a lineage on the left to my right my dog young Nacho young Teague how you doing I'm chilling man I'm geek y'all know how I feel

about 07 and we got my dog in the building it's about to be a great night I'm going to let you do the honors and introduce me but I'm hiding

listen it's very rarely that everybody we had that one person on our list unanimously we started this podcast like who we wanted

on this show it was this man right here. Legend, icon, youngest MVP, one of the best to do it. Your favorite Hooper's favorite Hooper. We got D-Rose, Derrick Rose in the building. Appreciate you pulling up, big dog. Love, bro. Love, man.

Love the show. I have to pull up Midwest shit. You know what I'm saying? You know what it is? Hey, listen. Like I said, bro, we all be fanned out over different stuff. But when we found out that you rocked with the show, bro, that meant a lot to us, bro. For real, for real, bro.

Yeah, man. Of course, me, my son, and my team, Randall and Matty, they told me about it. Shout out to the squad. Of course, right when the idea came up, I had to pull up. And with it being so close to Chicago, so. Yeah, the niggas got you a caterer, bro. Now listen. Niggas door dash to beat up.

Hey, normally I usually hooter somebody. See? Hey, nah. We was like, we got D-Ray. Freaking my game. Hey, I told you, boy, you might be a caterer after this, boy. You and Chef Paul. Shout out to Chef Paul.

Y'all went crazy for this episode, man. I got to say something before we really start, bro. My dog, Mike. Mike is our guy behind the scenes, but they know Freaky Mike, the podcast family. He told me, I don't get excited about too many guests, bro. I'm hype. I said, what? Freaky Mike?

He put on the whole outfit today. He took his boot off. He put the fresh shoes on I said I didn't say he got the DJs I told you I told you what he did I don't want no DJs in that episode He got an outfit on

He wilding You different I respect that You need to send that nigga some roses The fuck? No, man, shout out to Freaky Mike for holding it down, man. But listen, man, we are honored that you are here, man. Man, we just got to start with it.

Fuck, my hat fell over. This is crazy, man. I want to say, man, shout out to you and the team, man. One of the best rollouts I have ever seen, man. Wow. For real, for real. Just the way that you went through everything and we was joking with

Teague about this. We were just like, D-Rose such a legend. He the only person who could send another D-Rose and nobody think nothing else of it. Like,

ain't nobody have a question. Everybody was like, hey, what's up with that? It's like, nah, that's D-Rose,

bro. It's a reason for that. I'm glad it came with a note. You got a lot of motherfuckers in trouble. I was nervous as hell at the crib.

It's crazy because the week before i had bought my wife some roses and put them on there yeah so they died or whatever so she sent me a picture of them i'm like damn she didn't buy her own rose i'm fucking up so i was like i would have got them and she was like fool read the note i was like oh so it was love bro me. Me and my team, we decided to like just come up with something different. You know, like we did that within like two weeks. Randall and Maddie. Randall and Maddie. Staying up late, going over shit to the day before,

staying up to three o'clock in the morning to send out the post, making sure you got your eyes cross your t's but this whole shit was about like just giving back or just flipping everything on his head where normally when you do do something like this uh you receive the flowers but i didn't get here by myself you know i'm saying i got here with uh randall i've been knowing him since sixth grade i've been on maddie uh Matty since 10 plus years now. And my team is the same thing. It's sixth grade. And that's something that we built.

We're building an empire right now. But just doing it the right way, trying to do it with class, and just showing a lot of love and support to all the fans. That's love, man. That's fun. We definitely appreciate that. I know. You know, for you, you can speak on this you know i'm saying

class of 07 you know i'm saying careers when you know at the time were you how was that like that moment you was like all right you know i'm gonna i'm gonna see what the other side might be for a second uh see my my retirement was a little different it was kind of because of injury but i just knew it was my time was up i wanted to ask you like when did you know you were done playing like what made you feel like yeah i'm gonna hang it up because i feel like to me watching you annoying you i'm like man he could play forever i just think you had that ability i just wonder like what made you want to hang it up bro uh i've been thinking about it for a while bro but um what i was just telling you in the room or telling y'all in the room about like give me your all to your kid

like my younger kids they don't mention the game at all they don't ask about are we going to the game they don't say nothing so with PJ I had to talk to him a little bit different so before I even talked to everybody we in the room

it's me and him just talking and before then i i'm thinking the whole time like damn when am i this conversation with him right so we talking and he bring up cayenne and we was just in the room talking about melody so i'm like all right it's time i'm like come downstairs he come downstairs i'm like bro how you think he got better? He was like, he working out with a trainer. I'm like, who else in the gym? He's his dad. His dad, huh? His dad president.

I'm like, you think Melo don't got nothing to do with that? He was like, yeah. But after I kept talking, at first when I told him of course devastated hurt but after i kept talking to him he was excited because he seemed like man now i get this individual time with my dad and like my son he know exactly where he's at right now like this moment he knows exactly where he's at so for me to tell him that and for him to be like sad at first, then be excited. And since that day has been nothing but love. But I knew right.

Like sometimes since since like last year, I'm going through it. You know, you go through the rehabs. You're the only one that's going through that shit, bro. Like nobody else. Your family members. Nobody else is staff. You're what? Nobody going through it but you

so i'm like man um you have the question of like what the fuck am i doing yeah like you know i'm saying like give them all like all right it's cool but i want to be able to uh elevate to show growth and that's one of the reasons why i came on here because i wanted to like tell my stories and uh to be able to articulate myself and show people the growth from when i first came to the league to now with me being a grown-ass man that's real bro yeah and like you said like that the influence especially at this age is so impressionable with kids growing up so fast being exposed to so much and we're talking like in the room but you know i'm saying shout out to pop t like having y'all in the gym early on having like you said it does make a difference no effects but i wanted to make sure that we clarified that like you decided to retire

not that anything else like situation with memphis if you want to speak on it yeah i mean with even with that i really didn't want to speak on it but people thought that like they weighed me that's just a process of them trying to i guess do business or figure out the numbers on the back end in which that has nothing to do with me but what i can control is what i did i reached out to zach prior i reached out to my team reached out to Zach prior. I reached out to my team, reached out to everyone prior and told them, reached out to Adidas so that everybody's on the same accord. And yeah, just doing good business. That's something that I always did throughout my whole career, even though I fucked up in the beginning by having some lessons I had to learn. I got through that.

And I'm always been optimistic bro as long as i got my breath bro i'm always gonna get my i know i got a chance and i feel like that way about anybody around me so like um yeah give them all and you know just paying attention to where i'm at in this time for sure now listen man we're gonna talk about the career we gotta talk about the first time y'all met you know what i'm saying you know what i'm saying we gotta talk about that i'll be waiting for this man he's going like 30 quick 30 man listen first time man right this before i was even like getting 30 because i did kill them don't worry i'm gonna get to that i'm gonna get to that i'm gonna get to that but i seen him in eighth grade going to eighth to that. I'm going to get to that. I'm going to get to that. I'm going to get to that. But I seen him in eighth grade, going to eighth grade. He played for a team called Ferrari.

And it was a team called Houston Hoops. We in a gas station. And they like, you good. But they just talking to us like, you nice, this dude nice. But you ever seen Derrick Rose? I'm like, who that? And your name, like, your name sound fake. Like, Derrick Rose, like, you don't hear nobody's last name Rose. Like, instead of Jalen Rose. I was like, who that? And your name, like, your name sounds fake. Like, Derrick Rose, like, you don't hear nobody's last name Rose,

like, instead of Jalen Rose. I was like, he called. Like, they calling D. Rose. He called. So, we go to the game. Y'all happened to be playing a team from Memphis. It was just Memphis Magic. Boom.

You remember that, right? Wow. Yeah, Memphis Magic. That's crazy. I remember that. I do. And I'm like They threw the first play

They threw you a lob And you went You ain't dunking You just finger rolled it in And I said Oh shit Nah Ain't nobody else doing that

And they had one dude They might have beat y'all They did Yeah I'm about to say They might have beat y'all They had one dude That was cooking

I can't remember his name He went to Georgia Georgia Tech I forgot his name. Mo Miller. Yeah, Mo. There you go. Yes.

He had a good game. He had a good game, but I'll never forget. I was like, yeah, that nigga different. Like, this nigga killing. Yeah. But that nigga moving faster, jumping harder than everybody. My dad was like, we're going to be reading about him. Yep.

You know how my dad is. Yep. We ain't going to be reading about him. You know how my dad is. We ain't going to be reading about him. He ain't supposed to be on this team. I was like, man, he older. This nigga younger than me. That nigga reclass. Nigga, I'm the reclass. I was like, this nigga younger than me.

I'm like, what the fuck? They like, yo, you a couple months older than him What the fuck Happy belated too Yeah For sure For sure I felt that way about Mike bro

And USA We played 16 to 17 USA Yeah He my roommate His

He I had to look at his ID His ID was on the table right He left the room I'm like He so good bro I gotta see if you Your real age I looked at his ID His ID was on the table Right he left the room I'm like He's so good bro I gotta see if you You're real

I looked at his ID bro He was younger I'm like bro How the fuck are you younger Mike who Mike Beasley I told you He's younger than us bro

And cold bro I'm like How the fuck are you this cold Shout out to Mike Beasley Shout out to Mike man Please keep your head up nigga Yeah facts But nah That's what I first met he played for far not met him but that's the first time i seen

yeah but my first time i i played against you so we had a tone sticking you you had braids then you had braids shit gone 30 bro and tone our coach he uh tone the guy that was sticking you his uh dad was the coach and he would not get tone off of him so we like bro this whole game jeff weighing them out bro hitting three step back tone lateral movement fucked up you can't see check out all that bro about the end did we beat y'all yeah we ended up beating him but he had a great game and i'm like bro i gotta watch dude bro but at our in our class when you ran up against niggas like that you knew like uh it it challenged you in a way though bro when like i was when we were talking in the room about oj yes sir When I seen him for the first time, bro,

that he changed my whole perspective of the game and made me feel like I wasn't working hard enough. And my whole chase for the shit was like chasing him. So, yeah, O, nigga, you put that battery in my back for sure. Nah, facts. Shots of juice. Juice for sure. Nah, that nigga was different I'll never forget when y'all got to

we went to ABCD that year or last year and you had got hurt but the matchup I don't forget shit the matchup was y'all I'm from Indiana so I know I see you I'm like they don't know this nigga about to kill that nigga so I'm like rooting

it's like I don't know why I'm rooting for you, but I'm rooting for you. Like, kill him. And you get hurt. So everybody like, oh, he hurt. He scared. He scared. Then I see y'all in Vegas. I'm like, yeah, that nigga ain't scared.

Y'all niggas tripping. And they was going at it, bro. They was having a game. It was one of the best games I seen. Him and Eric against OJ and Bill. That shit was crazy. We chased them, bro. We used having a game. It was one of the best games I seen. Him and Eric against OJ and Bill. That shit was crazy. We chased them, bro. We used to go to tournaments looking for them. Like, really chased

OJ, my nigga. That could be a whole chapter of my shit. Chasing him. Going to tournaments, staying in the game. But it's us, too, but our coaches on bullshit, too. We on the same shit. I'm quiet, of course. I'm in the cut, but I'm on that. Yeah, nigga, we here. Like, we on the same shit. I'm quiet, of course. I'm in the cut,

but I'm on that too, nigga. Like, we wanted that matchup, especially since we played them like in seven or eight, and he was on a whole another level, and I'll never forget that. Like, that's my baseline right there. Like, I went back to Shaw.

I stayed in the gym, my i and i um i think my junior year we was close to playing them um but that tyreek and all them was it was in some tournament and the end up like not happening and that vegas one that we and we had ej i'm like oh come on i was playing i had nobody else that was really like a d1 player at that time on my team like that so he had three or four guys but to like play against him in vegas on that stage and to know that everybody like the alarms and shit was going on that shit was nuts this shit was crazy yeah and you said we talk about we was was talking about 07, EJ, him and EJ, like that's the craziest back quarter. We played them in a fucking thing.

That's crazy. How did you feel about him joining the team? Was you like, I love my niggas, but why? Like we played, I played on the team full of winners, bro. We won, even though we was undersized and all that we won a lot of games so when we got him they like hell yeah

like we got another dude that can go and EJ we needed that because I was scoring my brother in high school

I played more organized shit I was playing the three like my freshman year so I don't really have the ball in my hands cause my man right there

Ran he was the point that ran push you to the ball in my hands because my man right there, Ran, he was the point. Ran pushed you to the three? Yeah. Ran, you had juice, my nigga. He had to throw that small footwork. That didn't go home to you. I don't know. We had a system.

So even when I came in, I played JV because the head coach was like, nah, you're going to listen you gonna listen you gonna abide by the rules you ain't bigger than the system and I went to the school only because Randy went there so I'm like alright but we won and I fucked around with the niggas so I'm like alright this

like it's love we winning and we low key we'll beat y'all varsity niggas anyway if y'all put it when we used to practice and shit that's how we felt so it was all love but the system was the big man get majority of the shots and everybody else fine with whatever they got to do like find your way throughout the game until like my um my brother started coaching and he like man i'm gonna put you at the point that was like my sophomore junior year put me at the point i started going back to school and they

started like letting me play with the ball a little bit more so i'm like i um i'm running up the court they i don't got to play in the system nor i'm getting lobs and all that now i'm pushing the point and everybody else following me so it opened up my game for real but at that school it was strictly just uh but i with it though because simeon groomed me into like all of the guys that went there and groomed this into like really being young man learning like discipline learning that you just can't off even though we were like uh knuckleheads and all that but like knowing that man we have a we have a bond that's bigger than um just this basketball shit and that's something that we hold on to this day we have

picnics to this day at our school and that's rare for like a public school to still be having picnics to um going on and all that shit what made you choose 25 this in me uh ben wilson i didn't choose it all this shit chose me bro like everything that i've ever been in i lived in unknown my whole life all this just came to me yeah i never wanted none of this yeah no fame none of that like even hooping my my um or my basketball dream i didn't know about salaries and none of that until like my my sophomore year it clicked like that may sound crazy my think about that your sophomore year you it clicked like damn i could change my family life with this all the way until my sophomore year i had just a pure love for

the game i didn't look at salaries i didn't look at nba games like that randy we look i ain't looking outside i'm hooping i'm somewhere playing because i had a pure love sophomore year hit i'm like damn i'm sitting in the room my man i'm arguing with my mom at the time and all that you know god mom got that little shit in high school you look like and like and um i'm arguing with her then they click my man i could change this shit if I go to the league early. I'm looking at KD now. I'm like, if KD leave, I'm gone.

They changed the rule. Yeah. Changed the rule. The cop rule. Yeah, changed the rule. So I'm like, damn, I got to do a year. I had to do the year, but I didn't pay attention to none of that shit

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Like you said, you look at that that and now look at everybody else has been for you look yeah i mean that's that's one uh that's the only thing that i care about bro um even the the wave or the the vibration i'm in right now like i call it dz 720 like dz stand for don't forget about the zealous youth and zealous mean pursuit of a great cause or great energy so don't forget about the use and pursue of a great cause so Like giving back and I feel like that was one of our ways of like giving back You know like like me and my team not only my team but the fans because at that time i'm i'm doing this shit but i'm not knowing why i'm creating yeah you know i'm saying i'm i'm not going out to clubs

i'm not going to dinners i'm not doing your typical shit because i'm thinking that you like you have to be a machine i ain't enjoyed none of that bro until like my fourth year so that rule was not only for me it's for everybody my name is like you're like before the viewers could you explain that rule for them so i know you know i'm saying some of our lazy followers who didn't pay attention to that rule you know i'm saying uh the rule is that you get 30 of the cap meaning that you get an extra 30 $40 million if you hit the benchmarks that's in your rookie year contract. So All-Star team, any award, going to the All-Star game, those benchmarks will give you 30% more than a cut.

And yeah, at that time, I didn't know what I was doing, but I'm very grateful and very, very thankful that the league allowed me to do that. Thanks. Good show. Jason Tatum, all them boys on the first team, they thank you for the show. Metlo Ball, everybody.

I see Jason. Jason Tatum told me that straight up. Fuck with D-Rose forever. You remember he, you remember I told him, like, bro, he want an autograph. He want a jersey wanted he want a jerk bro he was real like bro d bro's the greatest bro i was like not to jump too far here we still gotta talk about the rest of his high school and stuff but like when people would see him when he

was on a team together bro i used to tell him like bro you have a cult following this shit is crazy like and he would come out and he's so humble and chill and i just joke all day i play too much i'll be like yo like y'all want my autograph and shit they just be like who the fuck so the first time we get back to the hoop and stuff but the first time i knew like all right i'm messing with a different type of like status. Everybody asked you to go out of Miami. We went out. You was in Minnesota.

I begged you. We in Miami. I begged you to go out. I'm like, come on, man. You was on it. You had you. You know how you step on the back of your shoes and shit. So you stand on the back of your shoes.

You like, man, I can't go, bro. I'm like, no, man. Come on, man. Please, please. Come on. Let's go be cool. like man nah i can't go bro i'm like nah man come on man please please man come on let's go be cool ain't nobody go man we gonna we gonna cover you up or anything you're like nah it ain't even that bro i'm just telling y'all i don't really like going out finally you got tired and you're like all right i'm gonna go we walk in there we walk in the club we walking in the beginning part and somebody said dude d rose i said shit I swear to God Like 200 people came I said oh shit

I looked at Wig I said it's some shit Hold on We don't get this kind of love Hold on We get in the club And the dude Was like

Damn we just gonna put y'all back here They just started standing Outside the section He looked at me He was like I'ma go We using that motherfucker 10 minutes

I'm just gonna go I was like My fault So imagine that Brian won't Like it's Like my fault boy I'm going to go. We using that motherfucker 10 minutes. I'm just going to go. My fuck. So imagine that, bro. I ain't want none. Like, it's weird even doing this. So, like, putting myself in, like, weird quagmire situations. You feel what I'm saying?

Yeah. Normally, I typically wouldn't pod or nothing like that, but I fuck with y'all shit. And in order to grow, you got to put yourself in those uncomfortable situations so like uh coming here or even talking like y'all don't know how much this means to me you know what i'm saying like i love being able to come in and express this and express like uh just how i feel about where i'm at at this time so i appreciate y'all niggas. Nah, I like to have you here, but I'm honored to have you here.

I always use, uh, anytime somebody playing the Pacers, you know, it's a little off the radar. And I'll be hitting niggas with the Ruby Rose, Taylor Rose, the Rose,

your bitch use whoever it for. So that's the, so I got a Rose rule. JT, if you want my autograph i got you listen i like you said we got so much to talk about but I want to bring it back to y'all days as teammates, man. Yeah. Obviously, I plan on going to get each other growing up. How was that first time I look up in Minnesota, man? It was love, bro.

I mean, let me talk to y'all. Nah, do your thing. It's your show. We talk all the time. Because, bro, everybody that probably met Jeff, no bullshit. They just know that he a good dude. And his energy that he bring to the locker room is, you can't compare it to nobody, bro.

Like he, the vibration he bring, he's always talking shit, even though it may rub people different that didn't grow up that way. Niggas that grew up that way, you need that in the locker room. You need motherfuckers joking, playing, but when it's time to go, he was always ready. And I know you can hoop too, though. So just having them around, having Tibbs fuck with him, having Cat. He used to fuck with Cat so much. But all the shit that you were saying, motherfuckers needed to hear.

You were saying truthful shit. needed to hear yeah you were saying truthful shit you know i'm saying and uh when motherfuckers were scared to say it i'm new to the team so i'm just trying to get the vibe on the team you saying exactly what motherfuckers needed to hear and people respected that so it was always love just having um jeff around it surprised me too when like you start coming over to the crib Because you know niggas normally don't hang out with each other like yeah, it's like on some fake shit So like having you start coming over then you came over the night that I don't believe in coincidences either You came over the night that I had 50 and my brothers knows that my brother was in the kitchen drinking that shit Nah, I mean, I don't know if y'all want to talk about that right now

Yeah, I was in tears fuck you he said I was going to your team he was like I knew you could do it dude I knew you could do it

it's crazy I knew you could do it I knew you could do it I knew you could do it why y'all doing that with me I remember all that shit why y'all

doing that with me I know I know I know I know I know I know I know

I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I. Why do you know that would be me? Why do you know that would be me? I can't understand. I can't understand. Why do you know that would be me? Nah, but that's a little later in the story because you still got so many years. Yeah. He gave me a chance. I played against him.

And I'm going to speak on the Minnesota moment, but I want to talk about the Bulls moment. For sure. When we played them in the playoffs. Yeah. And he spared me. So before we get to the 50, I'm going to tell you when he could have had 50 another time. Oh, you're talking about? In the playoffs, Mother's Day.

And him with the first. I'll never forget, bro. We're having the first quarter. We're going back and forth. It's a duel. Yeah. And I'm like, in my head, I'm out here dueling with the MVP. What the fuck am I doing? But I'm out here dueling with the mvp what the

fuck but i'm talking shit it's the first game in atlanta so i'm like yeah motherfucker like and he like he ain't saying nothing he just like like looking at me like i'm guarding he go by he dunk one time i said oh shit crowd go oh i'm like damn atlanta going back and forth. Second quarter, we had like 13-14. Second quarter, I think I scored two points. He scored like another nine. I'm like, damn.

Go to the locker room. I'm like, Jamal, you can switch off on him. Jamal was like, hell no. You keep going. You're doing good, man. Like, hey, y'all. You're guarding them good. I'm like, what the fuck?

I got there to 30. They're like, don't worry about it. Keep going. You're playing good. Get to the third quarter. I'm looking like looking like man i ain't scoring no more this motherfucker still going starting to blow us out he gets what you had like 44 yeah 44 yeah so it's like what was like five six minutes left in the fourth that's a fun uh maul said the same i don't know i mean i'll let you that nigga looked at i'll never forget i'm like i had like 21 i'm like

looking at him i'm still trying to guard him hard And you know how a nigga Kinda like Relax Like not tell you relax But kinda like It's over bro The nigga kinda like

Come get me tips I said Oh Fuck him He go I look at the scoreboard I said He ain't wanna get 50

Oh Fuck that was I said game 4 It's up No fuck that I was so mad I said he spared didn't want to get 50. Oh, fuck. That was his. I said, game four is up. No, fuck that. I was so mad. I said, he spared me. I was like, I went to the locker room, and Smooth was like, man, you know, it's just one game, dog.

I was like, nah, man. He damn near had 50. He was like, nigga, you think you can stop him? Nigga didn't even play this year. I was like, you only play because the nigga got hurt. Like, you did good, nigga. Shut up. I'm like, you right.

Shout out to J Smoke. That was a tough ass series. It was, but you spared me. Why you spare me? I didn't spare you, bro. You know, at that time, I wasn't even thinking about, I don't be thinking about scoring like that. I'd be really in the game, bro.

Like every, because my mindset was if I didn't score, like we was going to fall back. So I wasn't even keeping up with the numbers like that when I was playing. I just knew I had to affect the game in a positive way. This one, I really was like, fuck you. You hit a floater, right? I could test this shit out, this motherfucker.

I was playing hard as hell. Y'all know I don't play defense. I'm playing hard as hell. I'm like, he can't embarrass me. He hit a floater. Threw it up and caught that bitch. Yeah, yeah, hell. I'm like, he can't embarrass me. He hit a floater, threw it up, and caught that bitch. I said. Hold on.

He caught it out the net. He caught it out the net. Luis. I said. Yep. I said, he playing around now. This shit funny to him. I'm with Joe.

He getting ready for Miami. Okay. Cool, cool. I was hot. Like, I was 38 hot. My brother like, bro, you getting your chance. It's all good. You ain't playing bad.

I'm like, bro, he embarrassing me, bro. Like, bro, he embarrassed everybody. He the MVP. Then I thought about it. I was like, you right. I'm good. I'm just trying to score. Nah, but I remember that.

That helped your career too, though, bro. Yeah, having a chance to compete against him, bro. It helped me. Like, just to even have some good moments against him at that time. Yeah. That helped your career too, though, bro. Yeah, having a chance to compete against him, bro. It helped me. Like, just to even have some good moments against him at that time. Yeah. It helped my career. But I took that to say, I seen you could have got 50, then I seen you get 50. It's crazy.

So that's where I was going with it. I'm like, damn, I seen where he could have had 50. I was a part of that. And then to be a part of that moment, to see you actually get 50, and for you to say, yeah Yeah I'm going for it tonight I'll never forget You said T You playing tonight

I was like Nah I ain't I ain't fucking with it He said Oh bet I'm going for it I said What you going for

I started I was like What you going for He was like Nah I'm going for it I was like What I'm getting it

I'm getting 50 That's crazy I said damn I went to Josh and Cody He said Derek said You getting 50 tonight I ain't taking sure I'm getting it. I'm getting 50. That's crazy. I said, damn. I went to Josh and Cody. He said, Derek said, you're getting 50 tonight. He's like, I'm sure I'm out there. Jimbo one playing. Yeah, nobody's playing.

And I was like, damn, he going to get 50. And, you know, Rudy Gobert, new defensive player of the year, all that shit. I'm like, ooh, he going to have to kill these niggas. Man, that first quarter, mind you, I hurt my ankle. I'm jumping up and down. Ryan, I'll never forget, Ryan was like, you can play. I'm like, don't worry about that shit. Don't worry about this shit.

It's for killing. And he just started going crazy in the whole game. Like, we just watching and I'm just like, this dude is amazing. And it was like, you know, me playing before you got hurt and stuff, I'm like, this is him. Like, he always got this.

And to see him going crazy. Then you hear Rudy with the move. Finish the lay. Then it started getting emotional. Like, nigga, everybody on the team just like, damn, bro, he worked so hard. I'm like, yeah, fuck that. We about to win the game. Then he got emotional.

Then I'm looking at the nigga because I know. I'm like, I fuck with this nigga every day. I'm like, nah, fuck that. We about to win the game. Then he got emotional. Then I'm looking at the nigga because I know. I'm like, I fuck with this nigga every day. I'm like, nah, this means some shit. Like, I start. Fuck, man. I'm a nigga, bro. I'm from the west side of that, bro. I ain't about to be crying for no nigga scoring no points.

Next thing, a motherfucker done hit me. I'm like, fuck. Bye-bye. Then the game go over. I'm like, shit. I'm like, it's about to be a party in the locker room. Fuck this. I'm going to turn this motherfucker up.

He do the interview. I didn't even hear it. But I remember he was emotional. I remember seeing it on TV. I'm running back there. I'm like, give me my phone. I remember I recorded that shit. He walked in.

They throw the water on it. Then I send it to your girl. Like, there's got to be a moment y'all never forget. Like, that shit was hard. I was like. Why that game, though, Pooh? Why that game? What made you?

You know what I mean? I don't know. I just felt something, bro. Right when he told me he wasn't playing, I seen Jimmy wasn't playing. I'm like, all right. That's what. It's just that opportunity. And every nigga in the league that's not playing,

wish they could have that opportunity. Facts. Everybody, bro. Shit, you look at niggas that's not in the league that's not playing, wish they could have that opportunity. Facts. Everybody, bro. Shit, you look at niggas that's not in the league. You look at IT right now. Just give me that one chance I could go out there and I could at least shoot 15 to 20 field goals and see what's going to happen.

Yeah. Once I get rolling, you really going to see what's going to happen. You know what I'm saying? For sure. I just felt like that moment was like just my moment especially going through everything that like i went through went through the little i was still going through like injuries and yeah like i said bro i'm just living in it bro like the that be going on i can't really explain because i'm in it but all i could do is like prep myself

uh for the moments like i when i was in basketball i was prepping myself for that moment now because i'm in it but all i could do is like prep myself uh for the moments like i when i was in basketball i was prepping myself for that moment now that i'm switching over to this like my shit gonna be like y'all shit one day six seven cameras and you know oh yeah you're gonna do a pod no not a pod i'm trying to get into directing bro oh yeah but directing telling like real stories that's in book but i mean y'all will see that's like everything that y'all saw though the commercial or whatever that video that's me maddie and that's randall all of us came together got that shit together along with carlisle and uh mark along with the other guys that was a part of the team like but we created that moment.

So, you know, prepping ourselves for something huge. For sure. You know, we there to support y'all and to the team as well. Can I say one thing before we get back to the beginning of the story? Because this is my nigga. I'm just hype. I ain't going to lie. But I'll never forget.

This is when I was like, this nigga different. Like, y'all know me. They know me. What you going to say? Nah, this is all good was like this nigga different like y'all know me i'm they know me i'm gonna say no this is all good it's good they know i'm wild like y'all know me i i became a man in atlanta so my perspective is a little different like shit i was going out my team was going out everything so when i came to indiana did i get to minnesota my mind still like man all right we had a good practice we had some game we hooped but like where we going you know what i mean so i remember one night john lucas called me i'm like i'm thinking luke calling me like yo where we at he called me like man you should come in the gym i'm like nigga no like you talking about going to the gym man i was

like bro i ain't here for all that he like man you tripping bro come here i come in there and he like he like text me like d rose in here and i come in i remember it was your whole family you had your daughter in the stroller your girl sitting on her own stroller and you were shooting and you had shot damn near 500 shots and i remember because you had end up hurting your elbow yeah so i'm like how many shots this nigga shoot the uh jay look like he gonna be ready he gonna be ready and i'm like and we're about to play in the playoff he's about to play in houston that's when you first came to the team he like he gonna be ready don't trip he gonna be ready i'm like well well, shit,

he shooting fire in the shot. Motherfucker going to shoot 50 from the 30. I said, get him up. So I'm laughing and shit. I'm colder. I'm joking and shit. And we get in the playoffs

and I'm like, I'm going to Tibbs. I'm like, man, this nigga got to play. Like he was having, we get in the game, he kill him. I'm like, no, no,

he got to come on, man. He got to get in the game earlier. Tibbs like, I know. Who do we take out? I'm like, I don't Come on man He gotta get in the game Earlier Tib's like I know Fuck Like Who do we take out I'm like I don't give a fuck Take him Take him out

He like How do I tell him I'm like nigga Tib it's you He's like everybody You know Then that nigga Just start saying

Fuck it Come on I swear Come on I'm like yeah I watched this nigga Build himself Bro he was

That's fire Then next year What you shot 40 from 3 Like 40 But um You assisted with that too though Right when I got to the team

You probably remember You Hey that's you for that bread Oh shit Yeah yeah yeah I knew you had some money though You ain't understand it though When you

Like I The league ain't nothing But specialists Right Facts So When you aren't't labeled or shoot like that that can last for like a long time until you beat that you know you gotta you gotta beat

that you know what i'm saying allegations come on man so for that know how to shoot from indiana they know how to shoot when they one years old teaching they form they and they crib elbow all that all y'all shots the same i have not one person growing up to tell me my shot like how um to fix my mechanics or show me mechanics for my jump shot i figured this i was solely by myself no basketball camps couldn't afford it none of that name this solely me being in the park by myself testing out shit and like all that stick or i'm you know what it is after experimenting and that's just stuck but so to like go to a team and to be cool with a motherfucker to be in a shooting game with them and don't take it personal if they beat you i'm that crazy because i want to take it like you know what

i'm saying but it it takes to go one on one or to challenge a motherfucking one and to push yourself and practice when you ain't know nothing about it I'm shooting with you

you don't know that I'm filming this way at all yeah yeah I do you get what I'm saying he's fucking around shooting playing talking to people

I'm trying to make every motherfucker I'm gonna teach your ass I'm gonna show your ass I'm gonna show your ass I'm gonna show your ass I'm at 40

this year I'm about to stop shooting because I was like this nigga is starting

to beat me man what the fuck are you quitting I'm not quitting

but he was taking it light because he planned he always planned but if

Tibbs ain't on that he ain't on that he planned ain't on that. He playing. That's the story of my life. I'm some other guy, bro. So, like, to actually challenge a motherfucker that's a shooter,

I took pride in that. Yeah. Even though you didn't know about this. But, nah, I seen it. Then when the next year, I'll never forget. I started, like, we started starting together at the beginning of the year. And I'm like, I'm going on fast break. I'm darting the ball to him in the corner, and he's firing.

And I'm like, this nigga really a shooter. Like, he running the lane. Mind you, like, nigga, he the MVP. He great with the ball. Like, I should be running the lane, nigga. He like, get it, get it, get it. Taking off, running to the corner, and firing threes. And I'm laughing.

I'm like, this nigga a shooter. Like, what? This nigga spotting upting up 40 shooting 40 from the three and i'll never forget i was like nigga you shooting 40 he was like you know he a student of the game like nigga you gotta be a shooter three man yeah they paying niggas to shoot the three and i remember it was sweet he was like i remember everything bro he was like i'm a i'm a shoe 40 he was i'm going to get that bag bro then i'm done yes sir and i was like nah you gonna leave like i'm in my head like he about to leave minnesota because ain't no way he's starting over me at the time he's like niggas was telling me in the crowd Get him out the game

Put Derek in I'm like damn That's my nigga Why y'all gotta yell me like that That nigga brought 44 marks It got so bad My nigga

I started telling nigga Like do you wanna start Cause this shit is easier I just wanna come off the bench bro Nigga what That's so bad. I started telling him, nigga, like, do you want to start? Cause this shit is easier, nigga. I just want to come off the bench, bro. Nigga, you got a new role?

Nigga, what? But I give him credit. Nigga, I'll never forget. He told me like, and then we got to get back to where it started. But then he told me,

he was like, T, you got to find your niche. Cause nigga, you know, we ain't going to be starters the whole time. Like coming off the bench, they going to pay,

they need somebody to kill off the bench. They find a new role and i never he did not want to start no i remember i went to tips i said tips i am sick of hearing these motherfuckers will you start him and he was like who i'm gonna start him over i'm like nigga me he was like you're getting paid i'm like i don't give a fuck i think i'll play better off the bench he was like no no and i was like we'll start them together he was like i could't give a fuck i think i'll play better off the bench he was like no no and i was like we'll start them together he was like i could do that who we take out and we start trying to figure it out whatever but i just remember when you said that so when you left i went to ryan i said i won't come off the bench because i was like i'm about to do exactly what

he did i was i want to come off the bench yeah because you told me like bro we ain't gonna be starters for the rest of our career, bro. You got to figure it out. And we about to build these new roles. So I was like, I'm about to take his role. And I started doing everything he did. I started stretching. I ain't do none of that shit.

Bone rollers, ball and shit. I'm like, that nigga, he figured it out. Fuck that. I'm doing that. Shit didn't quite work out. Yeah, it was too late by then your whole body was broke down man I was a

Monte Carlo by then what what so I had your knee and that was it yeah well I had bad ankles

I had surgery on my ankle yeah but then I had my patella was gone I ain't got I'm bone on bone now it's over with

it's over with and the ADA didn't work for quarter hold on it was gone last year quarter hold on it was gone last year it was gone my last year

in Minnesota so I was bone on bone but I was just playing and then the last piece of my patella tour

when I was in Milwaukee man it was over with nah that bone on bone that's something different

it was over with once you go there for on bone, that's something different. It was over with. It's over with once you go there. For sure. The nigga that's doing that is Wes, huh? Yeah, I don't know how he doing that. How he doing that, bro? Yeah, he different, bro. Shout out to him.

Shout out to him. Man, well, listen, you have so many crazy accomplishments, man. We got to speak on some, man. Obviously, we got to start with one of the crazy ones. MVP, youngest MVP ever. Having one of the craziest seasons in the NBA. And the conference where LeBron James was. Like, how was that season for you?

Because obviously, you know what I'm saying, you came in the league going crazy. How crazy was that particular season for you, bro? It was a blur. It was a blur. I remember at that time, my whole mindset was, like, keep it moving. So, you know, in hindsight, you always wish that you would cherish some of the days a little bit more like me looking in the past and shit but um what i was telling y'all at that time i didn't enjoy anything bro i didn't go out to eat with my family or friends like that

no movies like that none of that bro no. Because I was totally locked in to thinking that I had to follow what Kobe was doing. Thinking Kobe was not enjoying himself, not going on vacays, not doing any of that. So I felt tricked in a way. Whenever, at the time, I felt that way. My fourth year, I ended up going to the Philippines with him. I saw him relaxed. I'm like, oh, you motherfucker was tricking me this whole Three years of thinking you didn't do shit, bro and to see you actually out here just chilling like it kind of

Fucked me up, but like I couldn't take it personally because even though I was like admiring them like that. So that year it was just fun, man. Something that you can't explain. Like my being in shot at the number one and being the point guard of the team. Like you got the rock in your hand and you got your guys. I got my guys like being around since sixth grade on the baseline yeah talking you know what i'm saying the whole time like

that's something that yeah we but we did it right though man made sure that the ups and downs that we had in chicago no matter what it was we could go back there and still like do business or whatever it is with them. So for that, it was a blast though, bro. For sure, man. Both of y'all can speak to this being, you know what I'm saying? Point guard, the man in your city playing with your hometown. They're like, what's that feeling like? Like we talk about it, but what's that feeling growing up in Chicago? Like, all right, I saw MJ hit us now. They look at me like that it's pressure that's why uh it's a lot of pressure i can imagine and i'm not i got to talk for chicago because a lot of people when they talk about chicago they always mention like the bad so i got to mix it up mj wouldn't be mj if he was if he

played anywhere else but chic Chicago for his pro career, he would have been a great player anywhere else. But in Chicago, he became the Black Cat. He became MJ in Chicago. Just off the strength of the culture that's in Chicago, and there's coaches everywhere. The basketball culture coaches just strong and that, um, the expectation of why I, what you going to do?

We seen you, we seen things like you back in the sixties. Are you supposed to been like, uh, elevated the game or doing something different? Like what's next? MJ one of them three, I guarantee you, he had people in this corner. Like there's no way they gonna let you win. Yeah. You just went on vacay. They're like, what's next? MJ won them three. I guarantee you he had people in this corner like, there's no way they're going to let you win. You just went on vacay, nigga. They ain't finna let you come back and win three more.

I bet you can't. That's what niggas in the shot telling them. Bet you can't. They're talking to the wrong one. Yeah, I bet you he, what? I'm going to win one. I bet you can't win another one. I tell them guys, look, I'm geeking them up. I bet you can't win another one. Oh, that's, look, I'm geeking them up. I bet you can't win another one.

Oh, that's Chicago shit. Oh, hell yeah. That's what it is. That blue shit. Yeah. Geeking them up just off the strength. But that's what I meant by the culture, though. Like, being there, that's what I felt.

Even though people, my guys, never came up to me and was like, man, you got to kill this motherfucker this game. I felt it, though. They didn't have to say nothing. They'd say say little shit they'll be in the kitchen or something man what you call her what's called throwing the party tonight not saying it to me but they just talking but making sure that i hear like what you going before they play me i was was that nigga. I was going out. No wonder this nigga trying to kill me.

I'm listening, dude. Even though they ain't bringing it to me, they stating it so that I just could hear it. I'm like, all right. So is this nigga fucked?

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Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right everybody always speaking on you being the hardest person that they had to guard. Who was your person that you was like, damn. I'm chilling, but I got to sleep with him. I had a problem down there with everybody, bro. Especially in Tibbs' defensive system where at that time we icing everything. If one person go over the top in basketball terms, he beat you over the top of the pick and roll. Now you're chasing him behind him and shit.

If that happened, it was just hard. But I'm a pure point, so I hate point guards that feel like they about to control the whole game. So scoring, if you scoring, I don't care about scoring like that. Even like the NBA forced me into scoring. I never was the leading scorer on any of my elementary time. Probably was the leading scorer,

but high school, somebody else was, college, CDR was. So I never was the leading scorer. I just found my spots and I found the way to like make it look good but I'm a pure point at heart so I hate point guards that don't care about scoring like a rondo like this nigga like they could fall into just the system of just playing the right way yeah like no no I'm gonna at least try to get in your head people don't yeah scoring ain't really that much to me because i winning the game is more than me okay like uh i heard one of my ogs kurt heinrich say

like um after somebody gave him like 40 or 50 he's saying this shit out like out loud but i'm just hearing him we walking in the hallway we won won. And he was like, ha, that motherfucker just scored 50 points for no reason. Yeah. That shit hit home. That's why after I scored that 50, I was so happy that I won. Nigga, like, you got the win, bro. Like, 50 or 60, whatever it is. If you ain't getting that dub at the end, you raced up.

Facts. That wasn't Jed in high school. I mean, in college. Oh, Facts. That wasn't Jed in high school. I mean, in college. Oh, in college. That wasn't Jed. I was different. I was trying

to get somewhere. I was trying to get somewhere. I was trying to get somewhere, That story cool, D-Ross, with that motherfucking

Jeddy at Wake Forest. By the league, though, he adjusted. Yeah, he did. He did. I'll be committing

for that, for sure. By everybody like that in the high school, college yeah I've been commending for that for sure but everybody like that in the high school college you getting to it that's how you got to the league

that's what these young kids they don't be looking at these players or like they be thinking like oh you a bum because you on the bench

bruh did you see this player when you was in high school or college yeah that's how you got seen bruh you know what I'm saying nah for sure

hey man you brought one of my favorite college players of all time, my boy CDR. Y'all was going crazy. I love the CDR, man. Yeah, no, that's a fact. CDR.

I got to tell this story to CDR. So he tried to hold me, right? So it's me, him, and Tone in the gym. We there for summer school. We shouldn't have court shots for $100 a shot, though. At the time, we both lodging. We don't got it like that. So every shot, you know, that's $100 a shot in college.

So he hit a shot, and I shot right behind him. And he said that my foot was on the line and he tried to stand on me like yeah you know his voice yeah man you know and i'm like i i i am back oh i'm like nah nah you got nah my foot wasn't no matter of fact he shot the shot and his foot was on the line and i made him shoot over and he was surprised that i said something and he he with me for saying something like damn you ain't letting me hold you and i'm like nah i ain't going for that check i gotta tell another story so this when i really knew that i made the right decision

so um some once again summer school we there joey dorsey uh end up going to a Gangsta Boo video shoot. Hold on. Joy, you ought to pop. He a real nigga. He a real nigga. He was in the podcast. Gangsta Boo, you a real nigga. I'm going to put him on a Gangsta Boo. RIP to the legend, man.

RIP to the legend, man. What the fuck? He missed the run, right? Clearly. He missed the whole run. I'm thinking nothing of it. I get to the house. Joey come to the crib.

He thinking everything cool. CD, I ain't talking to him at all. He started cursing Joey out so bad, bro. Like, man, you let the motherfucking team down. That's some whole ass he talking to him crazy and you know joy big i'm thinking that they about to fight because i it's my fur i don't know i'm like yeah i just got here joy respected it started crying bro i said uh i made the right choice these niggas care about winning bro like you mad at the nigga for um

there's some summer shit You know what I'm saying? And there was some shit that we were running Not Kyle We set that shit up Or he set it up And the nigga didn't show up And once I seen that

I'm like, this is gonna be a good ass year Yeah All the niggas that's on the same page I'm like, alright Y'all had a hell of a run Y'all had a hell of a year, bro You remember anything from that game? That championship game

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And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What was it like when you was like, you know, I seen a video, a documentary of you and, you know, Chicago getting the first pick or miami or whatever what was it like that feeling when you seen chicago got that first pick like damn so yeah we was in l.a at the time and uh right when i seen that uh they were like one of the last ones i kind of knew then and like what it was even though even though people in the room didn't say it I'm like damn

Chicago has 7% chance I'm like we gonna end up winning that shit and yeah that's going back to the crib like

yeah everybody got the experience that one time at least one time like don't you know how everybody be saying you should play in New York at least one time

as a Hoover just to feel the atmosphere I feel the same way about people playing at home if you could you might as well like at least get the experience you know i leaned on you you don't even know but i left indiana to come to minnesota right so when you came on the team i'm like damn because i hate no shade to minnesota i love Minnesota cool, but I hated leaving the crib.

You know what I mean? Like, damn, it was everything I wanted. Like, I'm at the crib. My homeboys, everybody be at the game. After I leave the game, I get to eat with my family, all that. So, when I came, when you came to Minnesota, it was like, ah, it's somebody I'm about to lean on because he experienced what I experienced. Like, he had to leave the crib before.

So, like, that's why I started, like, you before. So that's why I started gravitating to him. You're like, hey, bro, you want to shoot? You want to do that? Because I just want to get like, damn, how did that nigga get through leaving Chicago? I was nowhere near what you was in Indiana, but you are to Chicago. I was good, but I played one year. He was there, MVP, high expectations showed it i'm like man how you get through leaving the crib so i just wanted to like i'm like man how he work what is mental

like and then i start seeing you read books and shit and it's everything that i never even thought like i'm thinking you like like not like me but i knew you was like damn he from the midwest he probably joking clowning clowning, clowning. And you joking clown. Yeah. Yeah. You were super like dedicated to shit. And I was just like, all right, let me not fuck up his dedication.

Because I'm the type of fucker that fuck this shit up. I was like, hey, bro, you trying to get some bullshit? And he was just like, and he kind of like made me start like appreciating the craft again. Because I was kind of like, damn, I appreciating the craft again because i was kind of like damn i got paid i'm cool my family straight but then i seen you i'm like and he's super cool like he got paid yeah he don't even gotta be doing this really but he appreciating the craft and it made me like start like hold on let me stop playing let me like remember why i love hooping going into the league, though?

Nah, nigga, I was like everybody else. This shit, it takes time, bro. It takes growth, bro, to get. I went through what I went through. I tried leaving two times. So you get to a point where I could keep doing the same shit or I could change. So after I went through my case,

I made a vow that for seven years that I was just going to try to change my image, you know what I'm saying, by just being me, just staying out of sight, out of mind. And it went from seven to now I'm on year 11 of me just finding joy, bro. Basketball got me there, but even coming here, I'm always looking for something for inspiration. So coming here, seeing what y'all got going on, watching from afar, huge fan of Jeff, of course, and seeing how he's adapting to this new world and new business venture that he's in

so the questions that i asked y'all in there that's why i asked we don't talk about it you know i'm saying because but that's what y'all hitting you know what i mean so we appreciate was it a vet that when you got to the league that kind of embraced you every almost every vet bro that's what's every but every teammate i had i i appreciated that's how i looked at this every one of them because when it comes to like the basketball when i was in it i'm like even though i didn't want the fame i still wanted people to like appreciate like the work that i put in or like um like the way that i played So when I used to be on teams with niggas and they tell me they from booze from Alaska,

I'm thinking about market market market. And that's a market. Okay. Like, damn, I never knew. Well, I mean,

y'all, you from overseas. Damn. They watching you too. That mean they watching me. I bet like, you know what I'm saying? So I always show love to everybody.

and I had great vets too. Great vets. Yeah. Like, uh, to show love to everybody. And I had great vets, too. Great vets, bro. Like, show me about health. Like, Luau was the first one I seen eat, like, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich at halftime. And now that's a custom in the league. Before you go on the buzzer, I mean, like, brunch, all that shit is just there now. But before it was there, you had like OGs that really you saw stretching before every game, like a Nazi Muhammad, like Joaquin, how he took care of his body. Like a lot of guys were really pros, bro. Played at least 16, 17 years.

Didn't get in the game at all, but they get ready. They get activated like they're about to play 30 minutes and to just chill so i seen that and i'm like man uh whenever i do get in that position i'm gonna try to handle that the same way but only how you get there is you got to kill your ego and that's not like a one-time thing that's like a continuous everyday thing you know what i'm saying what think is just one time no that's just the first challenge this just gonna keep popping up especially if you call your man you you feel like you you accomplish something right i mean it's a thin balance it's a balance you gotta

balance the out so um being aware um, being aware of that, being mindful of it, like that's when he met me, that's what the stage that I was in. When I see you, like, I ain't gonna lie. Everybody know me.

I'd be like, I don't want no kids. Yeah. But when I see you with your son, like being in Minnesota and like seeing him shoot the bat on, this is random shit. I remember cause I used to be watching like, that's hard.

Y'all trying to shoot the ball into the rack. Right. Yeah. And I'm like i've been watching like that's hard y'all try to shoot the ball into the rack right yeah and i'm like y'all niggas know y'all not about to hit that right and i'm like i'm looking like they ain't gonna hit that and y'all would continuously do it and i remember one time he hit it yes sir and i was like that motherfucker hit that shit i'm surprised too I'm surprised I'm not going to bet but that's my version of the crate for him

put the crate up on the phone bro we gonna make a basketball rim out of anything on this motherfucker just being creative and I want you to be able to be on this court this stage and feel comfortable around 20 to 10, 10,000 people looking at you just be yourself.

Yeah. Cause a lot of kids, I see like a lot of kids that get on that stage, freeze up scared in the month. I'm like, nah, I don't want my kids going through that. And I'm putting them in positions to make them uncomfortable. Like I'm putting my, myself in positions, but for them, I wish I had a dad or yeah. I, I dad or yeah something i wish i had so i got to present the opportunity for them man he over there tossing that bomb and so it was like three days in a row i'm like yeah he ain't going yeah i ain't going that that ain't gonna happen i'm over there like damn nigga yeah alright PJ I see you boy like

it's dope to see that's hard a lot of these niggas I'm glad you ain't trying to but a lot of these niggas trying to live through their kids on the hoop world especially a lot of these

AAU dads so I was gonna ask you like how do you balance that dad life and you know making sure he stay on the straight and narrow on the hoop stuff

you know pushing himself to his max ability I mean i'm pushing but at the same time it's more like discipline with him right now but i it's about knowing your worth too because he's in the stage and a lot a lot of little hoopers need to hit this like uh knowing your worth like if a company come to you for an il deal or something like that and like you don't know your worth,

you will take any deal, but you got to look at like, what do you see your, your brand or what you see yourself associated with? Like he had a deal that come to him in which I thought that he shouldn't have took, but I can't say that to him. I asked him about it.

Hey, you think is right. So who do you see yourself associated with this brand, that brand? He started thinking about it. Like, I got to make you think it's right so who do you see yourself associated with this brand that brand you start thinking about it like i gotta make you think i gotta provoke a thought you know what i'm saying like just to see where your head that where you think at least put it on your mind that if you see yourself being a mvp type caliber whoever you associate yourself with gotta be on that same level too so like um the the hooping side i let them just play bro i'm not on them i make them do his push-ups and sit-ups and shit like

that but it's really just school and making sure that his mental right like a lot of kid he quiet so a lot of kids be like going through shit by themselves and i'm sure with my kids i want to be able to make sure that I'm there. Well, not only my kids, but my family. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. It's interesting to hear you say that. You know what I'm saying?

With T, he calls y'all alma mater. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like you said, it's a different situation now. Growing up in high school, being good or having some type of impression. They getting deals. It's like, all right, that might be cool now, but you don't know what you're getting yourself into. Ain't nobody getting deals in high school.

Not Indiana. That's what I'm about to say. Ain't nobody getting deals at a high school. Not Indiana. That's what I'm about to say. Hi, hi, this is PJ. He 11. Oh, shit. Yeah, he 11, bro. But, like, it's like coaching kids, like you're right, it's a lot of the mental stuff, like what they go through outside of basketball.

You just want to make sure that they're in a comfortable spot or they're in a good place. But, like, you doing that with your kids and that's dope. I wanted to know like when you watch him play because i seen him hit a game a game winner yeah you know you too i'm like damn like i remember him like you said i remember him shooting on the on the little rack or whatever so to see him hitting game winners do you see his skill belt like his skill level going up and you like shit man i'm starting to see it do you it is now and like i said that's why i'm

taking this step that i'm taking now bro like i have to be there yeah for my man's bro like uh uh it's all about the discipline bro like i don't know how many times like as a as a i'm talking as a dad not a father because it's a difference like my kids call me dad. I love when they call me dad, not father. They don't sound right to me. That sounds like some Michael Jackson shit. Don't sound right to me. So, like, that time that I'm putting in,

giving every one of my kids that equal time, you know what I'm saying? But with him, since he's the oldest, I have to be a little bit more strict on him as far as um making sure he gets up on time for school uh taking out the garbage a little chore shit but it creates your character you know what i'm saying so discipline oh man so

i'm seeing like it carries over to where uh if you're not disciplined and something that you're passionate about about in basketball how you think you're gonna be disciplined in the other areas you're not if you're not disciplined about something that you love other areas it's gonna fall too that's you're gonna crumble at some point you feel what i'm saying so i'm like bro dedicate yourself to this and i guarantee you it's gonna to pay off. But he listened, though. Like, that's half the battle, too, and which I love about him. I could talk to him.

He got his own individuality, too. Yeah. So once I see that, I don't want to tamper with that because I see that if I do, you're going to try to make, you're going to try to follow me or follow in my footsteps. You're your own person. Yeah. You are PJ Roe uh you are your own

entity right how you feel about this i asked him how he feel bro what you think he had tell me the honest truth all right this is how we're gonna think about it just like we was talking about with the deal he was mad that i was telling him that shit about the deal like because he he knew that i was telling them right like what like i was asking the questions and the question i was uh he the answers he was like not elaborating on him like yeah um he he said a certain company name i don't want to say the name said they name i'm like so how like that don't add up p you see what i'm saying he started to hear what i'm saying he heard what i was saying but started crying i'm like bro i'm not here to chastise you or make you feel like

you made the wrong decision i'm just showing you that you have worth yeah they're coming because you have worth now you decide what that worth is going to be a lot of kids these days they don't know what the worth they don't they don't even know that they got work yeah long time the motherfucker that they love them or something or hitting them i'm patting them on the back for letting for doing something right so me expressing to him where i'm at right now telling him like man pj i'm doing this for me my my nigga yeah not doing this for you no more yeah i'm quitting because of me yeah i'm tired of it i'm doing this solely to be around y'all yeah yeah taking you to school i'm picking you up i'm doing this i'm doing that you're gonna appreciate that you may not understand it now

that's my whole little saying now you ain't gonna understand it but later on you're gonna respect it i say that all the time yes sir house bro you ain't gonna understand it but later on you're gonna respect it i say that all the time you ain't gonna understand kids trifling i didn't lie to told motherfuckers hey bro y'all keep this room trifling these mice and shit go come fuck your roaches and shit you gotta lie to them you got a kind of cast for sure look at parents anything to make them listen bro nah for sure you gotta trick them a little bit like that's what i mean about being a dad like sparking like sparking that engine sometimes you got a uh a lot of kids now they don't know know how, they ain't going to know because of the, the,

the, the conditions and living circumstances that you got them in because of what you went through. I went through this. I'm putting you

in this type of environment so that you don't got to go back to that. If they do go back to it, you a failure anyway. You a failure if you let them go back. Yeah.

You feel what I'm saying? So, I'm creating this for you and to see you thrive and that's all I'm, that'm saying? So I'm creating this for you and to see you thrive. And that's all, that's the stage. Man, just bossing up, bro.

That's what this shit's all about, bro. Man, for sure. Listen, man, we are blessed, blessed, blessed, man. We appreciate you pulling up. I know how much this means for you, bro. I know how much this means to us. Like we said,

we got this opportunity. Shout out to the team for making this happen, man. We were ecstatic, man. We are really happy that you pulled up on this, man. It means the world to us for sure, bro. Well, bro, no.

Nah, for sure. I got to say something before you leave, bro. I'm so geek, bro. Like, I'm a fan. Like, I know we graduated in 07, whatever. So, like, when I was in college, you was a rookie. And you going against Rondo and them and the Celtics in the playoffs and stuff. And I'm watching. I'm like, damn, it's some I know him.

I competed against him. I see him to see you do that shit. And then like to get to know you over the years and then see what kind of person as you kind of father you are, how dope you are as a person. Cool. And like for you to have all the accolades and all all the shit that you've got and how humble you are. It's like, bro, you would put me in spaces and we'd be in rooms and you look like you the one and you look like this nigga crazy i'm taking over the floor but everybody wanted to be around you yeah and that shit is dope you don't meet too many people who just like who got the resume or the person that you are and let you be you like you ain't had to let me start bro you know i'm saying

like no no you that's not i'm not saying i earned i ain't saying i earned the start exactly bro but at that time if we being honest bro i'm just a realistic person bro like you had might have went through some stuff you went to new york and whatever whatever and then you came to the team but when you started hooping, nigga, you was averaging 16 off the bench. I was averaging 10. But still, at that time, I was fully aware of where I was at at that time.

I didn't want to start. Tibbs used to try to come to me. I'm like, no. I know you didn't want to start, but I was like, please, tell this nigga to start. All the time he's saying, I'm like, no, he's saying the total opposite, man. The whole reason, I'm telling Tibbs, tell this nigga. Tell this nigga. The whole time he's in love with you. I'm like, no, he's saying the total opposite, man. The whole reason.

I'm telling the tips. Tell this nigga, man. The tips probably going to you like, you need to start. And you probably like, no. I'm like, no. I'm like, tell him again. And what's so crazy is in a different situation, that's what goes differently.

And most of the time, and that's the typical in the NBA. Typically, you got them going against each other, but y'all pushing each other. And that's why it worked out. That's crazy. That nigga just didn't want to start because they was hurting his feelings. It wasn't even about the NBA. Typically, you got them going against each other, but y'all pushing each other and that's why it worked out. That's crazy. That nigga just didn't want to start because they was hurting his feelings. It wasn't even about that.

It wasn't about that. It wasn't about that. It wasn't about that. Fuck them. Get that sad ass nigga off the court. That's why we can't remember this all day.

Fuck them. Shit, that nigga made 24 jerseys. Hey, I was telling you, my last, I was fucking zeroed in. Listen, fuck you. I didn't make it through. Listen Listen My last day

We went to Prince House We had a little show And I'm going to let y'all get out of here Me, Wig To know Wig is to love Wig And he's Me and him are very similar We're anti a lot of stuff

Not Dr. Ubar Wig is Dr. Ubar Just put it out there me and him very similar we're anti a lot of stuff and then not no more i didn't say that he said that so there's no wig and there's no gorgie so it's me gorgie and wig at a table right we don't smile for shit we don't do shit we mean like people don't know this side of me only the teammates know i joke and shit like the fans don't know they think i'm mad so i don't smile about shit but wig don't smile about shit gorgie he's the nicest person in the world but they don't know like he don't smile man our table empty nobody walked by our table i'm talking about man his table bro nigga the prince jersey walking by not one person had a just t prince jersey by the way i think my mama might have one this nigga prince jersey bro had to be the highest selling shit in the nba that year it had to be bro yeah it was up there

i know bro they was walking by i was like damn damn no no damn damn i'm like wig damn we just got a max i'm like fuck bro you might want he's like i gotta leave bro they don't fuck with me y'all i'm like they don't know it was on that day he was just like i gotta leave like they're not fucking with me no more it was cat and then d wrote this jersey was more than cats i was like yeah he's not gonna be back like you know what i mean like cat not fucking with that i'm keeping it a bean bro i'm keeping a bean bro i was like y'all know I'm not hating on Cat, bro. I swear to God, I love Cat, bro. Cat cool as hell.

I think Cat one of the coldest players I ever played. Same, same, same. When I seen that shit, you had to be there, bro. We at Prince House, bro, with Prince jerseys. I'm watching. I'm like, this is D-Roll shit. Like, I'm like, this is shit. You know what I mean? I'm a This is D-Roll shit Like I'm like This is shit You know what I mean

I'm I'm a real nigga I realize shit Like Yeah He winning six minutes I'm like yeah He

Yeah This his team That was one of the best collabs That they did What Fire Was that the first time They ever

Did that I don't know That shit was fire It had to be bro My mama called me Like get that Prince dress Baby it's gonna be a lot for you. I'm like, my shit.

Them motherfuckers up there. I was like, no, that D-Roll. I'm about to ask you. I said, can you sign this motherfucker? It's how much people ask. I was like, can you sign it for me? He was like, yeah, I signed it. And somebody took that bitch.

From the, you got it. Yeah, you signed it and put it in the locker. Nigga, I came back. It was gone. It was on the equipment. Somebody got you. Yeah, OK. That was put it in the locker. Nigga, I can't believe it was gone. It was on the equipment. Oh, somebody got you. Yeah, y'all can't. Y'all should go eBay right now.

I can't. I know so many niggas was asking for that shit. I didn't want to ask you to sign another one. I'm like, damn. That motherfucker going to be on eBay right after this interview. Yeah, I'm like, the nigga on eBay with that jersey. Tap in. 400K.

Thanks to my offer. $400,000 for that motherfucker right there. I knew when he had all them jerseys. I said, yeah. That was a hell of an experience that was that was dope that was his house was crazy that's one of the craziest homes i ever been to i don't think they still respect them oh he's a legend bro no i'm talking about in the house the rules oh yeah no nigga don't touch you can't touch that as if he's still there. I've never saw nothing like that. Nigga, be gentle around that. I swear, bro.

Nigga, don't shoot on that goal. Like, I was like, damn. They said that they used to hold, too. I would love to meet him like that, but it's...

Same food menu. Like, you can't bring no meat, no other shit in the crib. They still respect him. I never saw nothing like it bro that's damn listen i know we gotta get i gotta ask we brought up the jerseys how does it feel to still see you know i'm saying like people wear your jersey like because i know like we always talk

about the jersey like that like that baby blue nuggets mellow jersey but that number one bull jersey yeah man that's like a hood legend jersey like everybody in the world even you go to the frat house of the old crazy white boys playing beer paul they got a d-roll shirt you know how does it feel for that like to that universal moment like everybody's like no matter where my boy at we with that jersey as far as right now i'm living in gratitude for sure appreciative you know what i'm saying and not to make y'all uh this episode serious like this because i know y'all normally got like some humor shit. Nah, you good, bro. We gonna talk. We gonna talk shit. You straight, bro.

Some people need to hear. Yeah, but yeah, just living in gratitude, bro, and that's one of the reasons why I think we wanted to come here and show love. Nah, appreciate it, bro. Some Midwest shit, like I said. Hey, man, like I said, we appreciate you. We appreciate you giving us this moment, man. It means a lot for both sides both sides man we can't wait to see what you do next you know got the team

gonna keep creating man we definitely gonna push and support that before we get out of here be here tell the people they can grab some merch at shopclub520.com baby the volume i'm clayton english i'm greg lot and this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports. This kind of starts that a little bit, man. We met them at their homes.

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