Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Fat Joe on Knicks in NBA playoffs, Kevin Durant at Rucker, Linsanity in NYC

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 74 of Club 520, where Fat Joe joins Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, and B Hen for an interview you won't want to miss! Fat Joe talks about Jalen Brunson and the 2025 New York Knicks playoff run, and why that moment was EVEN CRAZIER than Jeremy Lin's Linsanity era in Knicks history. Plus, Joey Crack talks Kevin Durant hooping at Rucker Park, the INSANE origin of his hit song "Make it Rain," and tells some memorable stories about Stephen Jackson, Mike Bibby, and Anthony Morrow. And don't miss Fat Joe talk about the time he was "kidnapped in Africa!" #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart podcast. The volume. All right, man, we back. A lot of my location that went in, why see what a legend man is only right. We're going to introduce him last. But like I said, I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. Same gang with me to my far left.

We got my dog. Bish should be here now. The pearly is how you were nasty. Chillin nasty. Let's get to it, baby. Glad we got my guy, Bishop B. Hitting out the pearly. How you doing, nasty? Chilling, nasty. Let's get to it, baby. Glad we got my guy in the building. Come on. Yeah. None of our options.

Listen, he got a uniform today, Joe. But his signature is he wear the black ups with the white laces. Now, you the man with the shoes. Have you ever seen the all-black forces with the white laces before? I think I've seen them in every way. I'm not mad at that.

I wouldn't wear black laces with them either. I would wear white laces. That's how I do it. The shoe guy to myself, he usually hate on the speed of the bike. I ain't gonna lie. Black folks with white laces, not. You not fucking with him, huh? Not at all.

What about the black fives? With the white lace? With the white lace. Oh, got it. He said, lake. With the white lake. Oh! Oh, got it! He said, because MJ did it at school, but would be here doing an eight. OK, that's all right. Respect, respect.

Still to my right, my dog, young Nacho, young T, you got you what? Man, I'm chilling, bro. I'm happy to be here. Y'all know this is my favorite guest, because it's the reason I ever collect the shoes, or I wanted to be rich. So I'm happy about this.

I got a story. I always tell stories on the show. Obviously you was on MTV Cribs. Yeah, you licked the shoe or whatever. And I was like, shit, he got all them shoes. I need that kind of life. But it was another one, you had a white G-Wagon and you called it the snack box, something like that.

I just had a whole bunch of whites. Used to go from store to store just buying, of course sneakers, but just boxes of Air Force ones white on whites, just like, yo, give me your 48 peg, give me your 24 peg, give me your, that's what you told me, one time we did that on camera where I was going to different stores around the Bronx. But speaking of that, the new Kobe's are real dope.

The Air Force, but the strings are like old school big. I think I'm gonna find some less fat laces, same color. That's what I'm gonna do to those. Because them fat laces. You know, those stats. Cause them fat laces. You know, I grew up in the fat laces. You really old with the fat laces. Nah, facts, facts. Come on man, listen, we are blessed to have a legend.

Man, he had us at his home, up in YC. If you ain't tapping, tap in. We got the legend, man. Culture, rap, sports, now podcasting. We got the great Fat Joe and the building big dog. We appreciate you having us, sir. I'm happy to be here, man. What's going on, what's going on?

Y'all brought the rain. Oh, no, don't do that. No, no, we don't travel with the rain. Might bring the thunder, but we don't bring the rain. So we can't talk about tonight's game, right? Oh, we can do whatever we want to. Well, what do you think? I think Indiana pulls off tonight.

Come on, man. The pacer in me is praying we get a game seven, but the realism is it could get wicked So that's my boy Ty Reese man Hopefully by the time this y'all see this, you know saying we don't got the chip anyway But I hope he can play because if he don't it can get wicked. Yeah You know that cab injury that leads to the hamster and get wicked man. It's a tough injury I don't see him having a good game tonight. If that calf injury is anything serious. I mean that's a tough way to play bro.

Nah, it is, it is. Well you know me, being that we talking mostly sports, I never been the guy to hate on a team because they beat my team. Like Paul Pierce, he's the truth. But he was looking real fake when the Knicks beat Boston. He was trolling us. And I'd never been that guy. Like, I'd actually been going for Indiana in this finals.

You know, I just go for who I like. I'm never like bitter and I hate you cause you beat us and stuff. Even though I did hate Reggie Miller my whole life. I'm saying. I did too, so it's like. He's from any, he hate Reggie Miller. I did, I did bro.

It was, he was really like, and we talk about it all the time, he was like Reggie Miller, I mean, Michael Jordan in our city. Like he was everything to us. You know what I'm saying? He's everything in this city. Yeah. He said it down for that, I mean, Michael Jordan, our city. Like he was everything to us, you know what I'm saying? He was everything in this city. Yeah.

He said it the other day, he said, do you feel awkward about calling the game? He said, I've been owning this city for the last year. Reggie talks. Did you ever make it to any of those games? Yeah, all those games. Dang, so you was there when he scored out on buckets and nine tickets, what was that?

I wasn't at that game. Cause I probably had like a show or something, but I'm not saying I'm courtside. All those games, you know, when Larry Johnson hit the- Four point play. Four point play, I was in the crowd. Yeah. You know what's crazy?

You know who I was in the crowd with? AI. So AI was up in New York and we went to the game together. We was like third row or something like that. Hold on, hold on, you was third row? I was third row at the time. Me and AI. Right then.

What problem are you talking about? No, I'm being honest with you. We went to the game last minute. We bought some seats off of scalpers. OK. Walked up in there. That's what they had. That was the best shit they had out there.

So was them cool seats or not? Don't do that. What's this? What's this gonna talk to you? Was it cool seats or not? I know it's back to the day. We went to the Pacer game the other day, and we were scared to post because of what you said.

Yeah, they had a shirt meet. We would sit down there, we would say, oh no! We would never. Yeah, they was. I was in the suite, but. You're never in my life. I won't do it. We was in General Pop.

We enjoyed the game. I get it. I'm just saying. One of the best fans, right? Not down on the floor. You get real experience up on that 100, 200 level. He left a hat on. Oh, you didn't want to do that.

You don't get that to me one time. And I know him now way better. He left a hat to her. Oh, you didn't want to do that. He had no idea that was me, said I. You did that to me one time, and I know him now way better, and shout out to him and his wife. They, my neighbor's down in Miami, but Jawaal Mashmore, he don't remember this. I met him one time back in the day when he was the star of the heat, and he invited me in the game,

and threw me in the upper decks, gave me a ticket, upper deck. When I say I might have been there two seconds, I was like, I'm thinking he was the star of Miami at the time. They were like, no sir, seventh floor. When I went up there, I was like, oh no, he got me all the way fucked up. Like, I never brought it up.

Shout out to Jamal Vance. He did be filthy. And I'm bragging, yo, I met Jamal Vance, burned, yo, we got to see City game. I ain't know if it's going to be Corse out or not, but I pray every time when I see Corse out, because I remember when I used to sit up in the last, I used to see Michael Jordan this little

playing against the Knicks. So I appreciate it, I'm beyond grateful. What's the best game you've been to at the Garden? It would be that, it would be the Larry Johnson. Oh, that was. That was like, we was like, engine, engine, number nine, pick it up, pick it up, like that whole fucking arena

just exploded when he hit that shot. At the same time, that shit was like synchronized fanning. You know what I'm saying? Did you ever go to the games when Jeremy Lin was here? I went to all those games. Man, Sanity would've run. Can you please tell the fans? They did him dirty.

Like he was supposed to be a Nick all the way. Can you please tell them how many cameras was at the game for him? Yo, it was crazy. I'ma tell you something. Jeremy Lin, Lin Sanity was, it was such a special, special moment

in the history of the Knicks. He don't get enough credit. He, that boy, you know how, right? So I used to play pickup basketball. And sometime I used to wish the Holy Spirit was in there. Cause you see some players when they play, they say, yo, the basket looked this big to me. I never got that.

But I prayed for it. Like I'd be in the game like, yo, I just want to, will they give me one time to dumb out in here and just shoot it from all over and everything go. I seen it happen for Khaled. We played a celebrity basketball game at Brooklyn and he was spinning and getting them in and shooting them from all,

I'd seen him catch the Holy Ghost. I never caught it in basketball. And so Jeremy Lin had the holy ghost and just couldn't do nothing wrong. And so I'm glad that the DNA and the mindset of the Knicks is different now. You know, they reward you if you do good, they reward you. At that time I was really furious as a fan.

And all I truly am is a fan. I'm just, I really have no opinion to sway James Dolan or the Knicks or anybody like that. I'm just like a fan, like everybody else. No, for sure. I want to ask you a question about that. Teague always say no matter what, the Knicks were good, bad or different,

the Gardeners always cracking. What was the crazier moment? The Lincenity run or the Eastern Conference Finals run? no matter what, the Knicks were good, bad or different, the Gardeners always cracking. What was the crazier moment, the Lincenity run or the Eastern Conference Finals run? No, Eastern Conference. Okay, you said the city was going crazy. They literally had, that wasn't AI guys, that wasn't fake. They literally had one million people out in seven, five, every game we won.

We knew it was one million, and New York cops, I don't know if you have ever dealt with these guys. I'm blessed enough I have. They, thank God, they fell back, which is impossible for a New York cop to fall back. They were under strict orders, let them party. These kids was climbing on the top of the teletron. They was, you know, it was a great time.

Dolan came out, I believe, every night and handed a kid the game ball. Like, you know, it was just a special time. We coming back, we coming back. Okay. I like Knicks fans though, because y'all rock with our team regardless. We got a lot of, we got some solid fans for sure back home, but it took for us to win

for our whole city to get behind the pack. Fairweather fans for sure. Yeah, y'all behind the Knicks no matter what. Yeah, you know I live in Miami too, and Miami is like that too. If they having a tough season, them seats will be empty. If they winning, then it gets them seats would be empty. If they win it, then it gets crowded. Everybody want to come out and show out for the city. So that was part of my argument. So I lived in Miami for 27 years. Every night I'm in the studio arguing

with all of Miami Heat fans and they killing me. It's like 10, 15 of them against me. And I'm like, and we sucked. So it didn't help. Nah, for sure. Nah, listen, we always talk about shoes heavy on the show. T, you talk about the kid game, man. A legend, legend. He inspired you, you know what I'm saying?

Said, I gotta run it up and get that heat. Facts, I mean, from all the shoes. I remember the Olympic sevens he had in that room on that MTV crib. That was crazy at the time. Yeah, I was surprised you had them. Like I had never seen them at that time. Was I like Jordan and Pitt?

That was crazy at the time. I got, you know, I've had sneakers like the Purple Kanye sample. Got them from PJ Tucker. He's out to tuck. So I got them, and I got the infrared sample, which is leather. That I've got Jordan, a pair of Jordans, they made from prints.

Damn. It was called candy rain, and and it's all purple um What number I've been getting off? Eleven's I've been getting that shit, but it's like velvet. He never got to wear but um, you know, I've been I've been Dumping a couple of sneakers, you know what I mean? Cuz I just feel like I'm just so, oh, what am I doing? I'm looking at big money in the closet and I could do shit like buy my mother a new house with this shit. Like, you know, just do something with the money.

I'm looking at the shit like it's a museum. You know, and I love it. I love the sneaker culture all the way. Most definitely. But when you get into it like me, like the type of money I've spent in sneakers is historical, you know? Joe's always buying.

And my shit is about, the way I design my sneaker closet is always for competition and beef. I'm waiting for somebody to call me out. So it could be like, you sunk my battleship. They bring this shit out. I'm like, okay, well, how about this is the sample that they didn't do of that sneaker. This is what it is.

Hello. So you'll come with some shit and you'll be like, yo, this is the sample of this. I said, well, what about the sample of that sample? And I bust that bitch out. And you're like, you're fucked. I be seeing you in Mayor, so shout out to Mayor. Mayor's my brother.

Shoe God. Shout out to the Mayor, he's a shoe God. Rest in peace, Clark Kent. For sure. Another one, after our era came Wale, Lil Yachty, 21 Savage, they say he got an ill collection, Offset got an ill collection.

You know how it compete with you? He could now that I done, he came to my house, his shit was like the emoji, you know that? He can't wait, he came to my house. I threw my birthday party last year. I usually always throw a big birthday party. And last year, for some reason, I said, fuck it, I'm gonna throw it home.

You know, I'm the type of guy who really don't bring people to my house. You know, but I said, fuck it, we gonna throw it home. And we had the party of a lifetime. A Calif flew in for that. And I put him in that closet, that boy walked out of there like dum, dum, dum, dum, he was doing the I.F.

He understood like, oh no, this guy, but he got shit. Khaled got a lot of shit. You know, Khaled too rich, thank God, alhamdulillah. He's just way too rich. I don't know what the fuck he did. Did he invest in the original Bitcoin? I don't understand. I ask him all the time, he's my brother, my best friend.

I'm like, yo, you would, you should, cuz. What's going on, what's really? What? No, I know he's good, but I'm like, Cal is gonna do some shit where we'll go to a restaurant and he'll be like, I want everything. I mean everything, right? So they'll bring out everything that's on the menu.

So you got a whole table. When I say everything, if they have buttered rolls down to lobsters, down to soups, down to, they bring the whole shit out, right? We will eat. There's only like three or four of us. We eat, then his wife come in with the kids like an hour later, she's late, and he'd be like, I need everything again.

I'm like, huh? My kids can't eat nothing cold, everything brand new. They bring all that shit again. It was already abuse the first time. You know, so, and you know, I work hard, man. I'm not starving. I've got, you know, I put the numbers up. And then when I look at what he do,

I'll be like, yo, this shit is like impossible. Like, I don't know, you know, this shit is like defined gravity. I know that's dope, you seeing him though, sore like that, cause I know that was your youngin. You know what I'm saying? Oh man, that's dope. May be YP. For sure.

I was definitely, listen, I'm happy I got to ask you as some person, cause you made one of my favorite shoes ever, I'm happy to have them on today. What's the better feeling, going out and hearing everybody play the song that you made, or seeing everybody outside wearing your shoes? That is an incredible, incredible question. And to answer it is just so similar.

Cause I was in, fuck that was, I was like in Dubai or something, right? When them sneakers came out. Yes sir. And the lines was all around it. So, first of all, I have the number one selling Air Force One for that year. Nike don't tell you the statistics,

but that shit was sold out. 10 to 15 minutes it was sold out. Fuck America, it was sold out. 10 to 15 minutes it was sold out. Fuck America, it was sold out everywhere. Dubai, China, wherever. And so I would watch, I would get all these pictures of random people online and I'm like, wow, they really buying the sneaker, man. It was really special, bro.

It was really, really, really special for somebody to buy a logo. That logo come from my projects. You know what I'm saying? We used to write graffiti. There's just such a huge history behind Terror Squad. You know, not just as rap, you know, as a graffiti crew, as a hip hop crew.

So this shit is crazy. But making a hit, you know, making a hit record's a miracle. Like if you were one to have wonder, God bless you, because you found a way to get on that red carpet. Some girls might have thought you was cute and normally don't think you cute. You made some money, your dream came true. In life, one of the most incredible

and most rewarding things is your dreams coming true. And so, you know, to see the sneaker is unreal, but making a hit record, you know, I have people leaning back, and I created that. I said, but people don't dance, please. I'm saying out the gate, did you think that record was gonna be his?

It dropped 40, like it's over, man. One thing I know, the only honest thing the record labels ever told me was They say you are not Beyonce If you you don't not have multiple tries if you fail with the song the album's over who tries, if you fail with the song, the album's over. So they made me to train myself to not only make music, but to hear music as if I'm a program director for the radio or something.

So that's why I kept making hits, because I only had one shot deal. If I fumbled a ball, it was over. So I had to hit every time. At one point I thought it was just a joke. At one point I thought like, you talk about confident? Like I thought I,

I thought I was that much of a hit maker than I thought, you know what I'm saying? Because for years I kept coming with hits and hits and hits. Every single year. And that's around the time I gave Jaru the New York record, because Jaru and Irv Gotti definitely gave me what's love. I penned the verses and I did the bridge.

Like when they look at your eyes, there's no stopping me. I went to the dungeon, we cracked, and the lyrics, but that record was a hit. When I heard it, you know, what's crazy is, when I heard it, I knew it was a smash. I recently, when Irv Gotti died, I asked my wife, I said, because she went with me to the studio that night. They called me like three in the morning,

was like, yo, come to the studio. They was like on fire. And so I asked her, I said, yo, let me ask you a question. You was with me tonight. Cause I know my story, my side of it, I always tell it. And they said, how do you feel when you heard that record? You know, when we got back in the car, going up to the barn, she said,

I knew our life changed forever. She said, I knew that shit was a smash, smash. Like she was like, I knew, I knew we was up. And that, you know, that record got white people to know Fat Joe. It was only black and Spanish people knew Fat Joe before that. And then I took my shit off spring break,

I went topless, I'm the first fat nigga to go topless. Okay, don't let Rick Ross tell you, don't let Khaled, don't let none of them. Gotta tell him he is, what do you know? Well none of this is. The pioneer. I went to MTV, spring break. What was it, spring break? Not before that. of MTV, Spring Break.

What was it, Spring Break? Spring, not before that. And I came up there topless with the Fendi fur. And man, these white people, okay? Because I was selling 5,000 a week. I knew the numbers, right? 5,000 a week, they showed that shit. Then I started watching like Saturday Night Live,

shit, Soapbox, the whitest shows in America. There's this guy and they put an arrow on the crack of my ass, you know what I'm saying? And they'd be like, his name is Joey Crack. This guy's amazing. Shit, start going up 10,000 a week, 20,000 a week, 30,000. Like once they caught here, double platinum, two million. Damn. And prior to that, the only Latino solo artist, whoever did that was Big Pun.

I mean, you know, we discovered pun, rest in peace. So, you know, we was putting that shit up, part. But to tell you about, you know, when you're in the studio, you're in the studio, you're in the studio, you're in the studio, you know, we was putting that shit up, the park. But, to tell you about, you know, when you on a run, it's like, if you talk, comparing music to basketball, the fucking rim was this big.

Like I thought, it's just everything, you'll make it rain. If you think about how many people just say, make it rain. Are you the first to make it rain? Yes, no, no, I'm the first to quote, to make that turn, I made that turn, make it rain. Okay. When I'm looking at the Black Panther and the dudes chasing the Black Panther,

he shoots in the air and the money goes, and he goes, ha, make it rain. I'm like, fuck, I'm watching bank commercials and they're like, make it rain and all type of shit. I made that shit, you know what I'm like fuck. I'm watching bank commercials and they're like make it rain and all type of shit, I made that shit. You know what I'm saying? I could tell you, shout out to my man Stan, who's very successful in the hip hop game now,

but at that time, he owned properties, he had nothing to do with hip hop. And we was in Fort Lauderdale eating at a diner. He was like, yo man, I went to the strip club last night. I really do believe he was talking about BMF. He was like, yo, these guys is up in there. Before that, if you, if you James, you went to a strip club, you had a 10 to 20,

you put it in the girls' top, you put it in their pants, nobody was making it rain. So I'm there with him and he's like, yo, he was like, yo, some guys came in the club last night and they was just throwing money in the air. And I was like, throwing money in the air? Yo, money, they was just throwing mad money in the air. I said, what you mean? Like, it was like raining money?

He was like, yeah, they made it rain. I wanna believe it was BMF, but I'm not sure. I went in that studio, that man was like, yeah, I'm in this bitch's, I'm making it rain, making it rain, making it rain on the Mo's. I'm making it. That's hard. That's fire. And at the same time, that's when, I mean,

we all grew up with Wayne here, especially this time period. That was just the perfect combination, dog. when, I mean, we all grew up with Wayne here, especially the time period. That was just the perfect combination, dawg. One thing I've never said publicly, and I'll say it again now, and I'm sorry it's too late, but, um, Earth Gotti told me to get Wayne. He said, yo, ain't Lil Wayne your man? Cause I played it to him with, you know, I wrote the hook.

So I played it to him with me, and he was like, yo, ain't Lil Wayne your man? And I said, yeah. He was like, yo, ain't Lil Wayne your man? I said, yeah. He was like, yo, go get him and say this hook. I was like, for real? He was like, yo, get him and say this hook. He was on fire. Then he did it right quick.

Wayne is one of the most generous artists I've ever known in my life. A thing of beauty. Legend. Okay, this guy want to help everybody. He looks out for everybody. I love Lil Wayne. There's just no barriers.

There's nothing that could stop me from loving Lil Wayne, man. He's one of the greatest human beings on Earth. Oh, for sure, for sure. What's the best performance you've seen in a rock? I say that all the time. It was K.D. K.D. went out there and scored, man.

K.D. did what Caitlin Clark did to my Liberty the other day. He was shooting, and he ain't play bums. He was playing against White Chocolate, all those guys, real players. And he was giving them the business to the point of their dead ass was taking it out. Somebody took it out, passed it to them. I think White Chocolate was on his team,

but they was just straight passing it to them, and the whole five team was doing this, running up to him like, he was jumping over them from 90 feet, I don't know how far that shit is, straight through, nah, this shit was dumb. I never seen nobody do that. Yeah. All threes.

Handle, Bone Collector had the Ellis Handle out there. He was retarded. Like, I mean, retarded. The only problem I had with Bone Collector, I always think about that movie, Malcolm X, when the white girl came up to him, I think he was talking at Harvard, and she was like, I know we messed up.

What can I do for you? He said, you cannot do nothing for me. Right? So I got a year, I'm walking into the park, and Bone Collector comes up to me, this guy had the best handle I ever seen in the EBC, in the Ruck, in the street basketball. He said, Joe, I've gotta be on your team, bro.

It's time, this, this, that. I gotta be with you, this and this and that. And I looked at him and I said, you cannot help me, brother. And I had to go, because he was more of a individual achievement. It was like, at that time, it was what we would call clout. So like, he would fuck up a whole game

just to embarrass somebody. So he'll be doing this with the game on the line, he's throwing it back off the nigga head, boom, cross him this, da da, I'm like, yeah! Swing that. He trying to win. Nah, he trying to win, yeah. I'm about winning,

and the reason I won most of my chips is because we had Kareem Reed, who played for Arkansas, Razorback. So Kareem Reed always knew for Arkansas. Razorback, so Kareem Reed always knew how to pull that shit back. You know, it's tied up eight seconds, and we moving, most guys are just going. He always knew how to make the right pass to the right guy.

Score the two, win the game. Sam Cassell, Rondo, huge Rondo fan. Because Rondo, he got it. You know what I'm saying? Being a point guard is almost like you're with no distrust, you're a ballerina. You gotta be dancing through there and giving to the right person.

So I used to love Rondo, even though he wasn't a big scorer, he knew who to get it to. So Kareem Reed, he was a big scorer and he knew who to get it to. At the time where you need intelligence. And so what most people don't understand is you can be athletic, you can jump out the roof,

but if you ain't smart, I seen some of the best players on earth do the dumbest shit on the punch line. Yeah. And I'm not the one, right? I'm spending my time. Your money. I'm spending my money.

I'm spending high blood pressure. You know that shit? You used to go crazy or something. That shit 100 degrees out there humid some days. Yeah, it's wicked out here. Right, so I'm going, so I'm out there with you. I ain't making no excuses. And listen, you know, do not play for Fat Joe

if you're not gonna be a blue collar worker. I don't care how talented you are. Everybody, shout out to my man BJ, shout out to Richie Parker, shout out to all the legends that are, my man coach, Syracuse. Bound?

Or before? No, no, no, no. The coach right now. No, what's the? I don't know the coach. The coach, he played for me.? No, no, no, no. The coach right now. No, what's the? I don't know the coach. The coach, he played for me. For real, I do have a coach. Oh, he played at ABC with you?

He played for me, years. And damn, what's the coach's name? James, huh? Autry. There we go, shout him out. This man. Oh, dang, he recruiting Isaiah, my father. Yo. Shout out to the guy, I'ma see you this weekend, brother.

Let me tell you something. What's his name? Coach Autry. Adrian Autry? Shout him out. Yeah, he was good. He never hung out. He never was into bad shit.

He came, played his game like a real, he was a real hooper. He come, played his game like a real, he was a real hooper. He come, he's all about the game, he's all about winning, getting the fuck out of there. Ain't nobody talking no matter his success, ain't nobody, you know, a lot of guys I thought could have been NBA players, but they were hanging with the wrong crew.

They young, out there, you know, God forbid you're a little handsome and you dumb nice, it's too many distractions. So by Adrian Oltrie, he was incredible out there. I've seen a lot of incredible people. You know, my favorite player never played for me. He was a guy named The Main Event. And man. From M 1?

From Jersey? Yeah, but he really played. That's just Man 1. In Wuckit. Yeah. He was like- Street legend for sure. Hold up.

He was like Adrian of the, what's the guy that got the, to his date? Oh yeah. Broner. No, not Adrian Broner. Oh, no not Adrian.er. No, not Adrian. Definitely.

Beyonce Wilder. Beyonce Wilder? Yo, he would dunk like he was knocking you out. And the roar of the crowd, he was like this. He was dunking, so this the hoop? He was sleeping on the hoop. like he was doing dumb shit. Like he was in the air just, boom, and you hear the crowd was like, ah.

Like it felt like, every time he dunked, it felt like he was knocking somebody out. And I might be coaching the next game on my team, and I feel like I'm missing out. I gotta run in there. Tap in. This guy was going crazy. You mentioned those historical moments

and we look at it now, so you could probably talk about this more. When we get those moments ever again, like when we have the legends, the people in the league, everybody look up to come play in the park. Cause that like, for people like me who was younger, like we watched those tapes, you saw that was the, it was always, you wanted to get good

so I could go represent my neighborhood. You saw that was the, it was on us. You wanted to get good so I could go represent my neighborhood. You see legends like Kobe, you see Katie, they all pulled up, they treasured that. They knew how important playing in the park was. When we get that every game, people make much money. I watched it. When we got a game coming up, Terror Squad,

the return. Okay. Against John Moran and his team, celebrating the new team. Air Force Ones, the red and white Air Force ones. Okay now that's so our John Moran is actually gonna play in the Bronx and We're gonna do that. But you know guys always come out. What's my man? Um, the Spurs just got Near box not a white boy. They just got, the air box? Nah, the white boy they just got. Cooper, Cooper.

Oh, he came out here with Slam. Oh yeah, yeah, young boy. Oh, he talking about Cooper Flags? Cooper Flags? He going to the Mavs. Yeah, he going to the Mavs. Oh, he going to the Mavs? I'm sorry, it ain't dispersed.

He going to the Mavs with Kyrie and Anthony Davis. But, that guy came out here. Put on a show. He different. Yeah, I seen that slam game. Yeah, he wanted to overshot. He was crazy, he was different. But you know, this is where you make your name at.

You know what I'm saying? Because in the stadium, no disrespect, there's a lot of fake tough guys. So you know what I'm saying? You out there, just cause they got tattoos and purple braids, don't mean they killers and shit like that. I remember Ali Mo speaking on that. These guys went to fucking college

and not talking them down. You know, Steve Jackson will whip your ass. You know what I'm saying? Stack Jack will not play. I've been in situations where them street, trust me. He remembers that cheer squad through and through. Oh, but he don't play. Yeah.

That's what I'm trying to tell you. Oh, we're from Indianapolis. We know, so you know. First hand. We know, first hand, Stag Jackson. That is not a joke. You know what they did to Stevie Jackson one time? They played a terrible prank on him.

And when he came to New York, I mean, Jersey for the first time, he was playing with Steph. He was with us. So he's with us day and night. Shout out to mama Marbury, Steph mom's just passed away. I love you. She was the queen of Coney Island. But so he's with us. So I live in the suburbs in Jersey, and they tell Stevie Jackson, yo, the next door neighbor's a racist, he killed Joe's dog. I come out the room, I don't know what they did to him.

The door's wide open, I'm like, yo, where's Stevie Jackson? They on the floor, dying laughing, the whole crew, yo, I'm like, where's he at? They're like, yo, we told him the neighbor, dying laughing, the whole crew. Yeah, ah, I'm like, where is he at? They're like, yo, we told him the neighbor. I said, you crazy? I ran over there. The neighbor never bothered me in his life.

I ran over there, I was like, yo Jack, yo Jack, now fuck that, they kill your dog, man. I'm not playing that shit. I said, yo, like, fear of lying. They are lying, it's a joke. I had to. Yeah, he went from zero to 100. Damn!

Nah, he go from zero to 100. Nah, but I mean, you know. See him in the big three, it's still there. Yeah, and I'm not saying that, you know, athletes ain't tough, but I mean, for the most part, thank God, you ain't had to live that gangster lifestyle. Yeah, for sure. You know what I'm saying? And we gotta take all these opportunities,

whether it's sports, whether it's entertainment, whether it's business, whether whatever it is, and appreciate it. And appreciate it. Thank you brother, let me get that back. Shout out to Freaky Mike, man, on and off the court doing this. I know Freaky, want name. Freaky no more.

Yo, I'm giving you this diet Pepsi. Oh, shit. He gonna start eating his glitzies with a diet Pepsi. Yo, you Freaky. He was really just a bottle boy. That's a bottle boy. Shitty watch your sparklers at with your Pepsi. Shout out to Freaky White man,

constantly professional doing his job. Yeah, we appreciate you. Freaky, did you contemplate changing your name? I didn't give a fuck. He signed a deal. He signed a deal. 720 deal, bro. This, you cannot talk.

So you gotta keep the name even though. He got t-shirts and everything. He got Marks on the way. It's on fire right now. That name right there is like, sheesh, it's selling. Oh, fuck you. He said you about making money.

I can't lie, he said it's selling. Yeah, he in the TLC deal, man. Suzy's this car. I don't need you talking to him too much. You know what I mean, too much. This guy, he stay in New York, though. The Rad Forrest already paid for it. He grew it with 25,000.

See how I bought a couple of tracks. Got some good sneakers on, though, for the money. Oh, yeah. Take care of it. We're going to make sure you look good. We're going to make sure you look good, Joe. Hey, you're the knight of Indiana. The uniform will be right.

Oh, yeah. Headlight, for sure. Yeah. Keep trying to pay, you know what I mean? You know, that shit crazy though, man. You know, the 730 deals and all that shit. That shit is nuts. I wanna ask you, man, what's the,

who get the flies? Who a borough in New York get the flies? I don't know. People tell me Brooklyn. No way. This man. No, we historically always say Harlem. Because of what Harlem meant to black people

historically over the years. Like every black person who was ever successful from anywhere on earth wanted to get the Harlem. You see like Godfather Harlem, I just did that too. But, so we always just say Harlem. I don't know if that's necessarily true now. You know what I'm saying? Everybody got a little bit of swag to bring to the game.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody got a little bit of swag to bring to the game. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I know I throw that shit on. Dad, Mercy, I've been hurting these guys a long time out here with the drip. The drip is out of control. I got a problem. Now I think I need to see like rehab. Like I wonder if they have it, like shopping rehab.

Shoppers Anonymous. You shop that much? Yeah, I do. You don't wear stuff twice? I wouldn't say that. I won't wear it three times. But you know, if I wear some shit and they ain't take a picture of it, I'll wear it again.

You got your double back. Yeah, I'll double back. But the third time, it'll be, it's pretty rare. So are we gonna see this again? You might. Depends on how many views you get. Your shit ain't popping. Say if it don't go viral, we hear that.

That bitch coming right back out. You gonna see me, you gonna see me somewhere else like, oh, that motherfucker lie. He came back out with that shit. Nah, that's why you get it off again. But it's funny, one of your closest friends happened to be his vet, Mike Bibby. Yeah, I know you talking about your suit story,

running into the crib, you know what I'm saying? Bibby trying to choke you out with shoes. But till you got to tell him how, you know what I'm saying, how he blessed you. Ooh, Bib, yeah. Y'all so how, you know what I'm saying, how he blessed you. Ooh, Bib. Yeah, so Bib, man, that was my vet, man. He didn't, man, he did so much for me in my career. He bought me a, my first ever watch, spent 20,000 on me.

One night, just bought me a watch or whatever. But for my, I guess my Christmas gift that year, he gave me the anniversary J's, the one through 23, all white. Yeah, he blessed me with them. But then I tried to get some P.E.s from him, like you did. And he gave me the Jumpman P.E. He tried to say I was lying.

I don't know, it's... I don't... To Bibi, I think sneakers are sneakers. So he's giving me some Jumpman shit, too. Yeah. He... He's giving me some horrible sneakers. So he's given me some jump man shit too. He's given me some some horrible sneakers too. So for the most part, 90% he gave me the fly shit but he didn't realize that that wasn't and I'm like so that's why he got mad at

me when I went. One of the best guys, shout out Team Dime, his mom, his whole family. These are beautiful, beautiful people. Mike Bibby's one of my closest friends. It's so weird too, right? Because I don't know if y'all know, right? Fat Joe hung out every day, even with AI, Bubba Chuck at his prime, or Stefan Marbury, when he's getting 20 million, like these was my best friends.

So I might've even made them closer because I used to hang out with them every day. Now, when I get tight with Mike Bibby, it was just, it was probably been awkward to people because they like, Mike Bibbyby like all the way from Sacramento, Phoenix, how Joe with them every and they did Mike Bibby's T.S. for sure but we just got really really tight with each other like that um but uh yeah I mean I think he was like the the odd like if somebody looked at his side I I understand they, I understand Steph,

but Bibi became tight with us like that too, and to this day, he's tight with us, you know what I'm saying? Beautiful guy. Yeah, that's my guy right there. I wanted to ask you, man, what's the artist that you ain't worked with that you want to? You know, I've always wanted to work with Dr. Dre and never got the opportunity to.

You know, everybody else I worked with Jay, Jay Z, Eminem, worked with Jada, my business partner. I've worked with Game, I've worked with Snoop, I've worked with- Chris Brown for worked with Snoop, I've worked with Chris Brown for short. There ain't nothing for him. M&M, Chris Brown. Another round. That stepped your game all along.

Oh, they don't have it together. Like talk, your wife might know them numbers, but. Don't come with the summer of 18 if she was your wife. You be fucked up. You be fucked up for that Chris Brown. Oh. What a dream come true to work with somebody like Chris Brown. Yeah.

Like, I mean, to me he's- Or the ghost. Michael Jackson. Right now he's on tour. Yeah. And he's flying through the air. Like I've never seen a guy trying to die. Let me tell you something.

We rolling. We rolling, right? Let me tell you something. I don't use drugs. I don't really drink, if I do, I drink Sorrisa, Puerto Rican rum. Besides that, I never smoked a cigarette in my life. I'm addicted to diet Pepsi's. And so, if I do die, I'ma die cause of that. Now I'm just die because of that. Now I'm just saying you will talk. Like if a doctor gave me a bad, God forbid, diagnosis,

and it breaks down to a diapepsi, I knew what the fuck I was doing. I drink 20, 30 of them shit today. I got refrigerators all around my house, indoor, outdoor. What they nasty. They, the whole adaptation is crazy, Joe. Well, you know I'm diabetic. So I've been diabetic since I was a kid.

So I stay off the sugar. So I understood when you was telling us earlier, no bread, no this, no carbs, stay up off. That's how I live my whole life. You know what I'm saying? And so I try to, you know, I want the sweet taste, but I don't want the sugar. And so out of all of them, my favorite has been Diaper.

I drink more, I love a Sunkist, Diet Sunkist, Dice Snap. You didn't train, but he didn't train his taste buds to be awful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, my shit, I been drinking these since I'm 14. Okay. I been drinking this since I'm 14. You trained yourself. For you to enjoy, for you to even be under 30,

for you to be under 30 popping a Diet Pepsi is crazy. There was no way that that was okay back in the day. Had to be for you, cause you was ill. Drink a Diet Pepsi at 14? That's another glizzy type shit. Not really glizzy, it's not. I'm just saying, you know, we kids, so we had like squeezes, Capri Suns, stuff like that, and you got a diet Pepsi,

like what were we doing, bro? Had to be raised by his grandfather. We all go to the store, he like. I was trying to picture with that can. That's how I feel when I see somebody smoking a cigarette outside. He's old school. It ain't no young kid smoking a cigarette outside.

So y'all saying, by the way, Joe, you're also giving your age away drinking a diet Pepsi. Now, typically, Pepsi's and Newport's go hand to hand. I don't know about the diets, so that might be a different avenue. That's my whole, if you see an OG with a Pepsi, he got a square somewhere around. That's the new boy. Yes. That's the vibe. My boy JB, he's like that. He won't stop. He got the new boy.

Died Pepsi is like Portable Hookah. You got a Portable Hookah with a Died Pepsi. That's crazy. Oh my God. At least that's carrot. No, for sure. For sure. So when the people book you though, they got a... How many Died Pipsies they got to have on there? That's carrot. Nah, for sure, for sure. So when the people book you though, they got a, how many diet Pepsi they gotta have on them? That's mandatory. I don't want nothing. I don't want no liquor. I don't want no food. I don't want nothing.

I want some diet Pepsi. When I come here, James got the diet Pepsi's. Respect, respect. That's my thing, you know what I'm saying? It's always funny because they both dabble in booking artists for parties and stuff like that. Everybody, I need 35 chicken wings, they need a fruit tray.

All of a sudden they gonna walk in and never touch. Doesn't matter, just make sure you got that water and that diet Pepsi. I have some diet snapples, sugar-free red bull livers really late at night, and then some diet Pepsi. That's it I don't need nothing else if you got a little strawberries in there, whatever. I'm good. I got the least complicated writer ever created Not that the promoters ever gave a fucking gave us what was on the right hand

These are I know wanky promoters. I was a janky promoter. You was a janky promoter I said, but I had a birthday party, a birthday weekend. Historic. When I played, I ain't never get with something that rotten. I just come back there and started talking to him, like, yeah, it's about this crazy out there. I was about to say something. You know who booked me for a show one time in Chicago

was Anthony Mason, rest in peace. And every gang member in Chicago was in that motherfucker. They had a pimp, was a midget, and he got up and had a Mackleleven under his seat. That's how dangerous this fucking place was. And they just kept having like, baby riots all over the club. Like, they was fighting over here,

and fighting over here, and fighting over here. And man, Anthony Mason looked at me and said, Yo Joe, just go. He was like, just go, leave. And I was about to leave. But this lean back was number one on earth. I was about to leave. This lean back was number one on earth. I was about to leave and I turned around, I was like, oh my DJ was out before me.

That motherfucker ran past me. That was LV. He was gone. I'm talking about this shit. What they say, the function? This shit was activated. When you see a little pimp on a midget pimp, to function, his shit was activated. When you see a little pimp on a midget pimp, a small guy with a pimp, with a Mac 11 under his shit,

his shit was scary as fuck. Anthony Mason, he's one tough guy, he was like, go, just leave, forget it, don't just go. And then I turned around and I said, fuck that. I told the DJ, I said, man, turn that shit on, man, let's go. And he said, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. It was like motherfuckers fighting.

They stopped next to me, you know, they like, they ain't back. They said the whole place started going crazy, but I couldn't leave. I would have never heard the last of that. Yo, you was pussy, you ran out of Chicago. You didn't want to perform. That's hard.

And that's crazy, because this is a wild environment. I'm not supposed to perform under these circumstances. I know that I am who I am, but this is a wild work environment. So for you to still do your job in that situation, salute to you. Jadakiss was there that night too. He was in the staircase, I seen him.

I was about to tell him about that. Like I was like, that was a wild, I don't know, but sometimes when people get high, they don't even know what's going on. So they oblivious, they don't, my brother used to get high, they'd be shootouts. And he's like doing ballerina steps and he don't even, I'd be like, yo, you not hit?

You all right? You good? I'm touching his clothes. And he was like, but what are you talking about? I'm like, yo, they was shooting a place. You in the middle of the shit. Like, what's up? Like some guys, they get high and ignorance is bliss.

They don't know what's going on. I know that the midget got the back of love. It fucking all those guys, all the gangs in Chicago. They saw the enemy and they was just fighting all in that shit. Like I'm talking about. I'm a lady. This shit was crazy. And I'm just like, yo, Anthony Mason was like, yo, just leave, please. Don't worry. Just leave.

I was like, fuck that, man Mason was like, yo, just leave, please, don't worry, just leave. I was like, fuck that, man, we gotta tear this shit down. I've been in a lot of, unfortunately, hostile environments. Now I'm on a level where I mostly only do concerts and arenas and they paid already. You know what I'm saying? I once made a guy pay me with quarters.

So we went, we had a show in Tampa, and they used to give you your first half and then they give you your second half when you get there. I'm there, it's maw deep, there's a bunch of rappers on the bill, and the guy saying he ain't got the money. The place is rampacked. That's when you really mad. When the place is rampacked and the promoters telling you

you ain't got the money, they feel like you not from that town or whatever that case may be. But I was like, you're my man. You giving us that money. And all the rappers was talking the same shit to him. We got got money. They had like a soda machine in there. We broke the fucking lock and took all the quarters out the soda machine.

I'm talking about a lot of quarters and paid ourselves in quarters. That's a true story. That all these artists was there. They know there was plenty of New York artists there waiting to perform. They all got tight. They didn't think about that. When we walked out with the bag and quarters, it was like, y'all. They walked out like Santa with a bag and quarters.

These motherfuckers got paid. And quarters is grass. Now you're talking about some hostile environments. What's one of my unlikely situations? Like a bar missy was like, y'all booked me for this, but fuck it, we here. And quarter to this grass. Now you're talking about some hostile environments. What's one of my unlikely situations? Like a bar miss, he was like, y'all booked me for this, but fuck it, we here. No, I get booked for bar misses all the time

now, Fat Joe, a house on name. That's fire. And we love it, keep coming, my brothers. But the wildest thing, you know, I got kidnapped in Africa. You don't know that story? Man, what? Yeah, no.

Kidnapped. Oh, shit. I thought I'd be everywhere. You know, I got kidnapped in Africa. I met homeboy Davido. He said, you met Davido. Davido told me, I met you 20 times in my life. I said, what?

He's like, every village, every hood you perform in Africa, I was there. I was the little kid there watching Fat Joe. He said, nobody. I don't care if they from Africa, nobody ever been into the fucking villages of Africa like Fat Joe. Like I was like really playing games out there.

Like I was, it was a time where America tried to front on me. It's one thing when you got a certain pay level, right? And I guess I wasn't hot and they was trying to play with my money, but Africa was paying what I'm used to. I lived in Africa for like two years. I wouldn't stop. Every week I was in Africa, Angola, Rwanda,

Luanda, Ghana, Garbonne. There's a place called Djibouti in Africa. I know, we talked about that when I was in school. Did Djibouti. Did Djibouti. I met the guys who killed. No Freaky Mike, yeah. No, I met the guys, not Fre you might know I met the guys not freaky. No freaky might

360 intended Let me tell you so um I met the guys who killed bin Laden there they are in Djibouti so fun fact Djibouti Africa is Close to all that. Wherever it's popping, I don't know if it's Pakistan, Afghanistan, this, all that shit. Djibouti is the closest place and they got an army base, American army base, and I met the guys,

I was in like a five-star hotel, and ladies. They was like, yo, we the ones that killed Ben Laden. I was like, yeah, oh, that was like right from here we went. But another story, man, I met some incredible, I met kings, I met daughters of kings in there, and presidents in Africa. I mean, there's a place called Equatorial Guinea in Africa, all they talk is Spanish. So you were going there, everybody's a place called Equatorial Guinea in Africa, all they talk is Spanish.

So you would go in there, everybody's talking Spanish. That they would book Fat Joe every year, like thinking, you know, I'm from Equatorial Guinea. And I talk to them in Spanish and perform. Just so many places, South Africa, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Tanzania, and Morocco. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Everywhere. I went on tour in Africa with Akon. We thought you got kidnapped, like really kidnapped. Did got kidnapped. I got kidnapped in Angola, Africa by a guy who was a warlord. He had civil war. So when they made peace, they gave everybody who was a serious player a piece of the action.

He was in charge of the tourism. He kidnapped DMX as well. Jaru was with me. When you interviewed Jaru, I asked him, did he get kidnapped in Africa? You know what kidnapped means? You can't go home. When he eat lobster, when he eat whatever, You can't go home. When he eat lobster, when he eat whatever, you can't go home.

It was like, you know, so we went out there for one show and he wind up sending, he paid us a lot of money, we can't lie. And he wind up sending more money to my manager. When I thought the show was over and I'm thinking I'm leaving he was like yo manager and I called my manager my manager was like yo this dude said wow brad you gotta stay there I was like fuck you talking about I gotta stay out here like nah y'all gotta stay you gotta do two

more shows so we were like held against it was like a friendly extortion. There's no other way to explain this shit. That motherfucker was like, radio, oh Busta Rhymes was out there with us too. Now Busta Rhymes, beautiful, lovable guy, but he has a short fuse. So Busta, I almost became his mentor or his psychiatrist. So I gotta be like, yo Busta, I almost became his mentor or his psychiatrist. So I gotta be like, your bus, you gotta chill. These people drop guns, and we don't have guns,

and a bus, we're not gonna beat these guys. Like you gotta chill, fuck that, Joe. Like, you know, bus is crazy. If you really know him, he go nuts. So you know I had to talk him off. So, you know, I had to talk him off the cliff. You know what I'm saying? Get wicked. Yeah.

I'm thinking you really got kidnapped. Oh, how about you go to Africa? No, I'm saying I thought it was gonna be dark. It's not dark. It's Christmas time and the man telling you, you can't leave. You thinking, fuck the money he sent. He's gonna make them give it back.

I'm thinking he's gonna force us to give him the money back. I don't think I'm ever really gonna see this money. I'm thinking, yo, I'm kidding that. You know, in Columbia, they used to do that to a lot of like Spanish entertainers, like legends. You know, the cartel are getting to perform at the wedding and at the end they'll be like,

yo, I need that bread back. Oh, you not leaving. You know what I'm saying? So I thought shit like that was going on. Shout out to charity. You talking about the level of stress of being stuck in a place and somebody telling you, like I'm a shot caller.

Well, in my mind, I think I'm a boss, a legend, a don anywhere. When you are helpless and you can't do, talk that shit like I'm talking to you right now. You just like, they came to me. So the way you eat, they got a cool hotel there. Angola Africa, I'm talking about. So everything's buffet style.

They got lobster steak, everything. A lot of white people go over there for oil and for diamonds. It's not a poor country, but it is though, heavy corruption. So I'm sitting there and there's two guys looking at me and they come by my table and they slip me a card. The card is the United U.S. Embassy, right? So they give me the card, they sit back down, this guy, so I walk over there, I say,

yo, what's up, they say, are you okay? And I'm not pussy, so I'm not gonna be like, yo, they got us. They won't let us go, yo. They said, are you okay? And I was like, I'm like, yo, why you asking? They was like, you know, we the guys who got DMX out of here. The guy you with kidnapped DMX, he's fucking, he's a warlord.

Like I said, by then I knew, I was already kidnapped. And they was like, look, if you call this number, we'll be here in 10 minutes, and go down to the parking lot, somebody pick you up, jump in the whip, and we'll get you outta here. And I was like, thank you, you know what I'm saying? But I felt like the man paid me so much money,

I had an obligation to actually do the three shows because it was like a lot of money, guys. I ain't mad at it. It's a hell of a story, man. Hey man, I would have jumped in that car so far. I would have been like, no, we don't got a car. We go down. You know, the man knew.

He could tell. People used to serve him and they won't look in his eyes. He looked beautiful. He was like Muhammad Ali, but he was a bad guy. And he knew I wasn't pussy. He knew it. He would tell me too, because they speak Portuguese. And he'd be like, Diana, call me by my last

name. You gangster. Then he'd be looking at me like, he knew if this was under any other circumstance, I'd have jumped out the roof already. He knew, he could tell. He was like, yo, I know, I know I got you. You can't do nothing. And it was what it was, bro.

We got home. Hey man, what better way to end it with a legendary story like that, man? One time for Fat Joe, man. We appreciate you, man. One time for Up NYC. Joe and J, if you not tapping in, tap in. They going crazy, man.

We appreciate y'all. We'll be back next time. Khalil 520. The Volume. next time, Cluel 520.