Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Gilbert Arenas on CHANGING THE GAME, playing Jeff Teague, getting a BAG at Arizona

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 87 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Gilbert Arenas to discuss all things basketball. Gil talks about starting Gil’s Arena, playing against Jeff Teague, getting a BAG to play at Arizona, changing the game from the three-point line, and what modern-day NBA player reminds him of himself. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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going to introduce my man's last, but to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Henn, Arthur Purley. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. Let's get to it. Arthur Gates to the right, my dog. Young Nacho, Young T. How you doing? I'm chilling, bro. Y'all know this is a special episode for me, man. I wore number zero because of this guy. So I'm hyped. It's a huge honor to have him on the show.

We all been trapping by the double this weekend. I'm excited to it. Yeah, for sure. Defeats, we left them at the crib. We out here getting to it. Yeah, for sure. But what's crazy is, for real, for real, me and him early on got really cool

because we shared a common theme, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if you know this, but like, this is like, you're his favorite player. Oh, man. He wasn't bullshitting about him wearing zero because there was no podcast.

That was real shit. Yeah. Thank you. And I won a lot of money playing with the Wizards on 2K for us. So he was definitely my favorite player. He was locked in. But if you don't know who this is,

look, man, Hibachi, the man who got it cracking, pioneer hoops in the NBA, the style ofibachi, the man who got it cracking. Pioneer hoops in the NBA, though. Style of play. They couldn't do like he did. Gilbert Arena, some Gills Arena. Appreciate you put up the 520, big dog. Thank you for having me, man. Appreciate it.

Appreciate it. They've been waiting on this episode. We have too, man. We've been geeked about this, man. Watch it, man. Y'all been doing your thing, man. Appreciate it. I want to kick off, though, with a question. How you feel about Michael Ealy picking up Megan Good? How you feel about Michael Ealy picking up Megan Good? How do you feel about Michael Ealy picking up Megan Good? Is that out of pocket or what, bro?

No, if you see the whole thing, he did shake dude's hands first. And then he went to me. Still, still. It kind of made him uncomfortable. Started looking on his palm higher. You know, he got a little episode on here that'll lift my girl up and I was dying

he was about to pull out the musket he was dressed like he in a fucking speed game he was dressed like Django now listen we always have to show off talking to Heat and what better person to talk to you because listen you was a pioneer of the foot game going crazy in-game. And also, I used to follow you back on Instagram back when you was giving away the jerseys and shoes in the old career. Man, how was it like having your own signature shoe starting off and then you just playing in like crazy shit?

You know, when it came to signature shoes, you know, it's always the Hoopers dream to get their signature, right? So when they came to me with the idea, like, I wanted to be fully involved, right? And I'm like, yo, I wear low tops. I don't wear real basketball shoes like that. I'm more lifestyle. I was wearing Air Max 95s in games, right? So everything was low top. So I was like, you know, I want to design it for more for, you know, chilling.

Like Jordans, people didn't play in Jordans. Right. People didn't play in Michael Jordan shoes they wore around. So that's how I wanted my shoe to be. Yeah. When that first one launched and everybody loved it, it was like, man, I was already trying to figure out what we're going to do with, you know, part two. So, you know, when the gun situation happened,

they took that motherfucker from me. Shit, all the shoes I've ever had, I just unleashed them, right? Because, you know, even though I didn't, I couldn't wear Jordans and stuff like that, I always collected shoes.

So, you know, when I got down to Orlando, it was like, I just wear every shoe that I have. You was putting that skid on in Orlando. You was going crazy. Yeah,

all the pennies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this was a childhood dream and Penny was my favorite player, so. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. And also, you playing in the Air Max Plus was like, I know the D&Gs get a lot of, you played in the Air Max Plus. If you don't know what that shoe is,

that is one of these stiffest shoes that does not have any good, give any weight in that shoe for back no so you the killer that shoe you was different bro the only thing the only problem was when when you like turn in the corner and that bubble hit that uh wood who you get in the slides for sure for sure my first time playing against you it was after the gun stuff You came back It was John Wall rookie year You wasn't wearing zero no more

I was wearing nine I was hurt Yeah yeah Before the game I'm like Are they like Everybody knew like Bibby and them like

Are you about to play Gil? What you gonna do When you get out there You gonna be a fan? I'm like hell no I'm gonna ask him for a jersey So I walked out there You had nine on

I'm like Nah I don't want the nine I don't want the nine bro I don't want the nine, bro. I don't want the nine. I was like, nah, that ain't right. I'm like, I'm on the bench. I'm at the end of the bench. I'm like, why you ain't wearing zero?

He's like, man, he putting that all away. He don't want to do that no more. I'm like, ah, he tripping. I was hurt. I was like, man, I ain't asking you for shit. I got in. It was my second year. I got in the game And I walked up to you

And I was like Yeah you was like I got him I got him Cause Jamal was on our team He's like I got him I got him I was like

Ah shit He think I'm He think I'm sad Yeah I got him He was like John take Jamal I got him I was like

Ah shit I was like I ain't saying nothing The rest of the game Jamal But these The way these knees work You just got in, man.

I figured you wasn't going to be shooting like that, man. Especially with Jamal. Jamal was on the court. He had that green light like that. You hit a fellow, man. He's like, yeah, I got him. I got him. I'll never forget that.

Man, it's crazy, man. What y'all doing over at Gil's Arena, man? Shout out to the crew. Changing the game, man. Like, I know we do a podcast, but it's like to the point'all y'all not a podcast anymore y'all a whole entity and like could you talk about the difference between like going from doing a pod to basically like being streamers and like how that's changed like the reactionary stuff and how that's evolved for you guys as a business yeah so you know i started back in 2008 when 2018 when it was podcast was more just like, like, serious radio, you know, was I heart, right? It was just a voice. It didn't have the face. And I'm like, man, I'm an NBA player. Right? I'm gonna get my followers by, you know, me. So you know, I recorded it it and then put it out.

And then people started liking the idea, so back then I was getting paid off the audio and the video, so I was putting the same shit, boom, boom, boom. I jumped out of it a few times, because Mattenham came in, and then they started with Showtime, and then they getting all the big guests. I'm not even going to lie, they getting A-list,

I'm getting C-list, I'm like, oh man, all right, damn. Come on, man. And then the knuckleheads came in, they getting A-list. I'm like, come on, dawg. Oh, we know they all too well. You know, like sometimes, you know, as athletes, we got all the contacts, but we don't want to, like, I got KD, but I don't want to ask him. And the motherfucker tell me, no, no, I got to hate the nigga for no reason. Trust me, I know how August is. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I jumped out of it, jumped back in, you know.

And then around, like, 2020, what happened was COVID hit, everybody had to stop. So everybody had to go to Zoom, and I was like, oh, this is me right now. So since everybody was Zoom, I was watching people Zoom in, I'm like, that shit look raggedy, the internet bad, that shit look all goofy, so I'ma just keep doing live. But since NBA players don't want to do it, I'ma go to these high school kids.

So I went to all the top, top high school kids because they're going to be willing to do it. And then from there, it just took off. This is when I was with Fubo. I remember. So we did the finals. It was the finals watch party. So we're sitting here doing it. Looked at the numbers and it blew out and just sitting in like

man when we just when we do it just like ESPN TNT style where it's like about four or five of us and then we just talk to sports like they do but long long version. They do like 30 seconds of topic, and then they move on, and we just do it like that. So when I got the concept down, I met Rashad at 24 Hour Fitness. Nigga didn't talk to me for like two months. Nigga just walking around, me mugging and shit. You know how you wait till a nigga like crack a smile? Like, hey, man, how you doing?

He just walk around, these are for no reason. These are for no reason, man. And then I asked him what you doing man what's your podcast so he came on the episode Brandon came on the episode so when I was looking for a crew I looked for the niggas

that I just finished talking to and then that's how that I was like I don't got no vision yet man I know what I'm thinking but I don't know how it's going to look

niggas like alright I'm down shit and that's why when we started getting big and they're like y'all should fight like nah when i didn't have it when i had just had a vision no concept these niggas was like i'm in i'm in let's go and then from there we just that's hard right it ain't about it you know it ain't about like um our egos right it, we all got a job to do

and we just do it. Yeah. So, you know, my foot call me a bitch ass nigga in the middle of the show. I don't give a fuck, man.

You know what I mean? I don't care, man. This is, this is what we do. Yeah. It's like a locker room, right?

Yeah. Listen, man, love the show. Y'all be going crazy. Y'all talkers be going all across. And what I like about it is that, you know what I'm saying?

With this, with this space that everybody, you know what I'm saying with this with this space that everybody you know i'm saying has a voice has an opinion that everybody can get their own lane off y'all have carved drugs like i said with the stream and stuff it's so prevalent now like y'all want to go to places when something happened they're like i need to have a good arena or something happened like even with um josiah like he'll post off we're going live and air about this i think that wave is going to be with next but i don't think it's something that people can copy. You can't replicate that. So kudos to y'all for making y'all own space in that situation, man.

It's, you know, everybody's so, especially with timing, right? Everybody, it's usually once a week episode, right? And when people talk about podcasts, that's the lane that's getting oversaturated. Right? The once a week. Right? Right now, it's the lane that's getting oversaturated, right?

The once a week, right? Right now, it's more about putting as much information as you possibly can out, right? Like you guys are in the stage where you're going to try to do like four or five shows, bank them so you ain't got to work for a while, right? You know, I've been there, right? And right now on YouTube,

there's only five live shows and I'm on three of them. It's my personal one. It's Gil's Arena, and then me with Shannon Sharp and Ocho, but I'm just a guest on there. Then you got Pat McAfee football, and then you got Sheed and Tyler. So that's the lane that everybody's so scared because everybody want to be safe clean up what they're doing but for the most part if you're good at what you do you're good at what you do so yeah that's the lane you should jump into noted Mike ain't many there ain't nobody really in that lane man and since you guys don't really have

guests like that and you guys don't have to thrive off guests, the guests are just a bonus. So you can do your everyday like this and then do your guests once a week and still, so you're in both algorithms. Honestly, they hate when we have guests. They tell us who they want as guests. Like you was in the top five for question guests.

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You probably would have averaged with like 32, 33. Easy. Yeah, for sure. Especially with how I played. You know, it's long 32, 33. Easy. Yeah, for sure. Especially with how I played. You know, it's long ball, but I used to post up a lot. I used to post up smaller guards and just ISO work. So the fact that all the bigs are now pulled out to the three-point line and they don't take charges and shit like that.

It's not crowded. I would have been sitting there getting nine, ten free throws and any power forwards really that morning so you really ain't got no contest now there's no there's no contest it's it's it was the point where when they changed the rule by the time he got in but back then there was no just jump straight up yeah right so what ended up happening i used to headhunt. Right? If you was inside that key, I didn't go for the layup. I just ran into you. Nah, same with you.

Right? I'm just running straight to you. If you in the lane, you've been talking about Shaq, Shaquille O'Neal, and people like that, and you got caught in that lane, fuck that layup, dog.

I'm running right into you. Right? Layup right here. You right there. I'm going across the lane, hitting you, then try to come back. Yeah.

Get your ass out of the game. I ain't got to see you no more. Right? So looking at the game now, man, it's like, ah, man. You wish that knee would have held. It's like four, five more years, man. Nah, I took that from you and used it in college. It's the same thing in college.

So my buddy Phillip, he was the first person to show me. I didn't watch NBA at all. And he had NBA TV, and he was like, bro, you got to play like Gilbert Arenas. And I'm like, man, how he play? He had NBA TV. We sat there. You know, the highlights go by every once in a while. So we had to sit there and keep watching, keep watching.

He was like, he just drive to the basket hard as hell. And I was like, yeah, I'm on that. And I just started playing like that. I just drive to the basket, jump into people. And I go to the free throw line in college. And then we knew, I knew you already because Jason Gardner was better than you in high school. Get your shit off, King. My nigga was engine for that one.

Because we getting right to that. I was hoping y'all would be out back to Arizona. I knew Jason Gardner from that. So, like, we knew you from watching Jason at Arizona. So we like, I'm like, yeah, he was nasty.

He wore a zero. Why you wear a zero? And I just started following up, trying to figure out who you was. And then I started watching. Then I became a fan

for real. Yeah, that was my guy, man. We used to, we used to battle. Look, we used,

like we had the same personality. We used to battle football players who faster, who had more money. Right. Who had the better cars. Like used to battle football players who were faster, who had more money, who had the better cars, like, you know, when you get to college. And we used to have two, what was it, Bobby Wade ended up making it to the NFL.

And those used to be our next-door neighbors. And we just, I get a radio, he get a radio. Jason get a radio, they get a radio. Like, we was just, it was just one of those things that we compete with. So, but I told Jason, man, that, you know, Indiana cool. You know, you average little points out there, man. He was a dog, bro. He was a dog.

He was a dog. He was like 5'10". Damn near the best point guard in the country in 2000. 99, I mean. For real, so. It pushed me to the two. Yeah. Right, because I was a two my senior year, but I was a point guard.

Right, so when I came in, I remember my dad was like, he was like, you going after Jason Gardner's spot? And I was like, nah, man, he my roommate. And he was like, what the hell that mean? I was like, shit, he just give me the ball the whole time. So if I beat the two and we on teams, he just gonna give me the ball the whole time. So me and Jason used to talk about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? And then, so when practice started, they was like, all right, Jay, you got the first pick. He was like, I got Gil. They was like, wait, what? I got Gil, you got McDonald's All- you got McDonald's All-American, McDonald's All-American, McDonald's All-American. He got me first

and we used to run the table, dog. I believe it. That's how me and Ishmith was. Ishmith was the point guard. I was like, **** I ain't gonna beat him. I'm gonna play the two. I'm gonna play the two. That's that's that's the league, man. Like, you know, you gotta be be able to shift one, two, two, one, and have these different skills, man, to last. Because, you know, going to college, going to the NBA, there's people that's in your position already.

Yeah. Right? So you got to find, you know, you got to find what the team needs at that moment in time until you get to establish yourself. Yeah. I got to ask, with today's NBA Highest Play, now, what do you think the next wave will be?

Because we've seen, you know what I'm saying, the game transitions to a lot of volume threes, and now we're starting to see the big man having resurgence. What do you think might be the next wave in the NBA? Bottom end, if you 6'5", you got to be athletic as shit other than that it seems like 6, 7, 6, 8

is going to be the new point guard for sure right it just seems like you know especially with the overseas

like the overseas is not taking over it's only one two positions the four and the five everybody's seven foot in that position and the fact that

they're seven foot and they can shoot, the American bigs is far behind them, right? So if you're going to go for a four or five, you got to go look for an overseas guy, because here, you know, from AAU, if you got any height over the rest, you the center. Yeah.

Right, if you're a big, so you know, you're going to be stuck down low all the way until you're about 17, 18, right? And over there, they're teaching everybody guard skills. But when it comes to the guard play, they don't have the foot speed. They don't have the athleticism. So somebody like Luka sitting at 6'10", yeah, he has the advantage. But who's the second best?

Who's third best over there? Shea was trained as an American. Then they don't have any shooting guards. They don't have any small fours that's dominating like that. So we got them six, seven point guards. You know, what Luka is is going to be coming soon. Speaking of six, seven point guard, your son, he fit the mold. Yeah.

He nasty. I ain't going to lie. lie he nasty i'll be watching his highlights i seen him i watch games like his he got a score mentality the lineage man that's straight from you i'm like damn i heard i heard i heard you tell stories about how y'all train uh 600 shots in the morning things like that does. Does he love it like that? He likes it. He don't understand what the love is yet. He's sitting there in that mode of

I got my friends, girlfriend, my family, school, and he thinks all of it is on the same playing field. I'm like, nah, dog, you're going to have to sacrifice three of them, motherfucker. You know what I mean? Ain't no friends, ain't no girlfriends like that.

You know, if you're trying to get to that level, right? So, you know, right now he likes it a lot. And I'm telling him, like, you probably won't love it until you make it to the NBA, something happen, nigga, whoop your ass out there, or you see somebody working at a level you've never seen before, it changes how you look at the game. Yes, sir.

So I don't expect you to be in love with it right now. Just go and try to practice and just have the good-ass habits to make you good. As a high school coach, you see a player like that and as you see the progression stuff, and I saw other kids too,

daughter going to college, going crazy as well when you see somebody like that in high school you're just like you're good now and you're not there yet how does it like to see somebody like that like it's not untapped but it's like oh you got another gear you can get to you just don't even know it yet no it's like it's like a blank canvas it's like bro he's so talented he got this and got that and it's just, if he gets this or he works like this, there's nowhere, nowhere, there's nowhere we can say he can go. It's like,

the sky's the limit or whatever. But, like, when I see him with the height, the speed, the handle,

the shot making, it's like, damn. Once he get a little stronger and he get the game, it's like, shit, we looking at an all-star.

So you know how to get that motherfucker up there. Yeah. Oh, no, he gonna shoot like, I see him shoot on three people one time. Hey no, he gonna shoot like, I seen him shoot on three people one time. Hey,

I be sitting there like, man, they gonna be telling you I'm teaching you to shoot. Wait, you told him to pass the ball? Hell yeah,

I told him to shoot a couple times. I seen you said it though. You said it like, you said it like me. I'm one of those, like, no, no, no, no.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. But that was the reason and I tell a lot of parents I said stop teaming your kid if your kid got talent stop doing that

team up shit it hurts your children I said high school is development for you and your child it ain't about winning fucking championships

I'm sorry I was gonna ask why No, don't steal it. I'm sorry. I was going to ask why you didn't send him right to Sierra. Yeah. Like, I've never seen a college coach come down and say, yo, how many high school championships you won? How many AAU championships you won? Oh, you. No, you averaged 40.

I want you. Right? I got a bunch of people that can pass the ball to you and rebound and stuff like that. I'm not taking the whole Sierra game. Team team i'm looking for one or two people so i would rather you be instead of playing on sierra canyon averaging 10 i'd rather you be the dude that get beat by 40 but you had 40 because you're gonna you're gonna be the one that stands out hold on hold on you agree with that you know, that's why I'm chiming in because both of y'all are different. So I can talk about this because me and him feel the same way.

Getting beat by 40 and having 40, maybe that shit is floating in Cali and that's cool. But in Indiana, bro, it's gone. Coaches are looking at you a little bit different, bro. All right, now think about it like this. Your team is a bunch of five stars. Yeah. And a dude that got nobody scored 40 on. How?

You had just to stop that motherfucker right there. How he won by 40. How he's supposed to win by 40. He didn't supposed to score 40 on a bunch of five stars. Y'all supposed to double him trap him do whatever so the fact that he scored 40 lets you know that he had to do it against all five of you so it's making him do everything right your your team is going half ass because it's just better than everybody so they're not really digging down he has to rebound he has to try to block shots. Break your full court press.

So he has to rub his engine so hard just to compete with you. That's development. He has to rub his engine so hard to compete. Now when he gets with a group, it's so much easier. No, I get you. I understand where you're going. Like for coaching, yeah, you try to win. Yeah, I'm trying to win. And that's why I'm going to let the professional speak.

On the coaching side, I get it. You trying to do, like, I'm talking about just as the parent trying to go to the next level. I'm trying to figure out how to build the tiger because it's easy for you to turn an aggressive person down. Yeah. If you haven't been aggressive, it's hard to turn you up. Yeah, for sure.

Somebody like a Bronny James, right? He's been at Sierra Canyon playing with all these five stars and you're like, yo, why you don't shoot enough? He's never did it. He's been passing, winning games, taking full five shots a game, beating everybody by 30. He never had that.

But do you think that messed with his AAU run with him being that same type of player even in AAU same you got the same team yeah the same team

you got the whole bunch you got Dior, Johnson you got all these guys you got the same group so he never had a team where it's like yo you gotta go out you gotta go out there

and score 40 they're not embarrassed to hell out of you but playing devil advocate like your kid your son he has the talent to do that like you can see it jumps off the screen there and score 40, they're not going to embarrass the hell out of you. But, playing a double advocate, like, your kid,

your son, he has the talent to do that. Like, you can see it, it jumps off the screen. Like, okay, if you put him in a place with other five stars,

he's still going to shine as a five star. And some other kids, like, they might be three stars. So when they go to a smaller school, average 40,

do everything, then they go play with five stars or other good players and they don't know how to adjust. yeah that happens no it happens a lot it happens a lot and we know of a situation kind of like that like i know parents think they five stars too that's that's oh yeah but it's like it's a bunch of kids in indy who went to school smaller schools and stuff and then they get to college, and it's like, I don't know how to play with other good players.

And it's like... But that's the balance. You got to still put that kid into a group. So he plays by himself at this school, then he plays on Compton Magic. So he plays with Cole. There with all those guys. Right, so, and shit, he's still, you'd be like,

yo, just, no, you got to... Pass the round. Nah, you didn't tell me. Ain't no difference between school ball and you. You'd be sitting there like, oh,, just pass the round. You know how it is. You done told me. Ain't no never between school ball and you. You be sitting there like, oh, man. Pass the round. Daddy, your name is Hibachi, bro. You can't tell me to pass.

But I like that because you can sit him down and say, yo, wait. Yeah. Because if that person's never at that level, when you need him to do it, he don't know what it look like. He don't know what hitting game winners feel like, right? Even somebody like Cooper Flagg. Yeah. Cooper Flagg, in the last two years, probably never hit a game winner.

Never been in a situation to. They've been blowing everybody out. Team's been winning. Remember, he averaged 16-13 this year. Yeah. So he's never really had takeover, take but he played on main though but he did and he in that eybl hold on good in the eybl run he was bringing them back from cray they was down a few times so he had a willing back 16 year but i'm saying that's you know he's coming out party

he's never played he's never played 17 ever. So when everybody else is playing 17s, he went down to 16s. No, I mean, he's dominant. But what I'm saying is when it comes to putting him to them game winners, he's never felt the pain of missing and being a disappointment to your team or uh you know getting the ball stolen and like my son had to go through all that right missing a layup and the rest of the teammates oh man now you got to bounce back yeah right what you're gonna do tomorrow right hitting the game winner shit you know sitting there miscalculating the boy steal it

tie game beat him at the buzzer nigga damn you're throwing up in the bathroom because he let the whole school down how you gonna how you gonna react tomorrow though okay so you get it so if you he had one year of my word yeah but what i'm saying is that you still got to go through the fire you can't go to the nba and then take your first game winner man you're gonna get ate up if you're not built like that. Even like Curry. Curry wasn't a game. He didn't hit many game-winners in the beginning of two championships

because he was blowing everybody out. So he was sitting in the fourth quarter. So when Kevin Durant got there, Kevin was like, yo, give me that ball. They haven't. It was like, shit, we've never been in a situation to know who to get the ball to. You've got to have some experience.. You got to have some experience. You got to have some experience. Yeah, I fuck with you, bro.

Y'all pros, bro. And I never go against y'all. But this one, bro, he the best player in the country. No, no, no. 16 years. No, no, no. No, no, no. Facts, he's the best player in the country.

But you can see, like, because of the blowouts, he's never been really, really battle tested. Like there's NBA players, dog, that they franchise guys and they won't take the game winner because they're scared. You're a real example. I'm saying you put it

in your mindset to be the guy guy. Like some guys is comfortable being number two. You know what I mean? So if you number two in the NBA now,

you get 280 million. That's crazy. Why are you podcasting? I'm just saying. Some people cool. Just saying. Some people cool would be a number two. So Cooper Flagg, number two.

Straight in my book. That's a hell of a number two. No, no, no. He's going to be a franchise guy. But, you know, you have to, like right now, it's like he needs to be put in a situation where he gets battled. Right? You don't want to go to the NBA and then you go to a locker room and niggas don't like you anyway. Yeah.

And you do something wrong. You already know they're going to jump down your back. Yeah, for sure. If you ain't been built to say, man, watch out. You're going to fall behind. But you don't really get that until you're in like year three anyway. The watch out. The watch out?

Yeah, like when you're a rookie, it's already somebody there. You know, somebody there is going to tell you, hey, I got that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when you're the franchise player as a rookie, they already hating on you. Oh, you had Bibb. You had Bibb and Jamal. Yeah, I had Bibb, Jamal, Joe. And Captain Kirk too. I had Bibb, Bibb, Jamal, Joe. You can speak from experience. I had all of them. Oh, you had Bibb. You had Bibb and Jamal. I had Bibb, Jamal, Joe.

And Captain Kirk, too. I had Bibb, Bibb, Jamal, Joe. You can speak from experience. I had all of them. Oh, he had Joe. So it wasn't no watch out. It was Joe and I know they was fighting over that goddamn ball. That's why you wanted to check him, but he can't pick up.

Oh, yeah. I ain't going to shit. Joe out there, he shit. He about to shit all these shots. Joe and Jamal, they was like, who taking his last shot? Yeah. And I'm like, Joe getting that, bro. I can tell you that, Joe.

Yeah, Joe getting that. But you couldn't tell Jamal. Nah, Jamal, last shot? Yeah. And I'm like, Joe getting that, bro. I used to tell Jamal, Joe getting that. But you couldn't tell Jamal. Nah, Jamal, he shot a couple of them. Yeah, he going to get the motherfuckers up. For sure. I'm like, hey, swing that ball to Joe, bro. You out of pocket, bro. I'd be going, I'm like, damn, Joe, you going to allow this, Joe?

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I got to ask why you're here, man. And see, we got to resurface this. Angel Reese topic, you know what I'm saying? We had a conversation on our show about stat patent and people didn't like it. But what I saw yesterday was one of the nastiest displays. I'm happy that that double-double streak ended because that was one of the craziest things I have seen in a long time in basketball, man.

I understand it happens, but I'm so happy that that streak ended because there is no way we could glorify that, man. I think the Torso was crazy. I'm not doing it. No, but that was nasty work, man. He's a hater. If it was that easy, everybody would have tried it.

Thank you, dude. It's like she wasn't patting the stats. She just couldn't make layups on the first try. I'm talking about shooting a layup when you down 20 and 10 seconds left the game because of the double-double. That's great. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry.

Listen. Listen, listen. They have four people on the road. It's funny. I love that. Shout out to the Liberty. Shout out to Ricky Davis. You already got the record.

Are you trying to extend it? There's going to be situations Where it might come down To a rebound Or a miss And you going to miss it To keep it going For sure Right

That's just it You know what I mean If I got 20 20 triple doubles Right I got 20 triple doubles For sure And I need one

With three seconds left And I don't give a fuck What we up I need this basket I'm going to get the basket Y'all can fight me after I know that streak is going I ain't mad at her I was mad at her But basket. Y'all can fight me after. I know that streak is going. I ain't mad at her.

I wasn't mad at her. But I told y'all she don't make layups. She don't make layups. No, no. Hey, she don't make layups. So, you know, she can do all her offense rebound. That's A. Hey, do your thing.

Somebody gave her the best comparison that we ever had. I ain't going to say his name. But he said she was Kenneth Fareed. And I said... I know him well. Yeah, I said that. That is a great comparison. She's a great rebounder.

She's not very gifted offensively yet. That was her Achilles heel. Yeah. But this is going to be the worst that we get to see of her offensively. It's going to develop.

Yeah, she'll develop. But, you know, she's just that we get to see of her offensively. It's going to develop. It should develop. But, you know, she's just a rebounder defender type of person. She's a hell of a rebounder. She's a killer. That's her thing. It's just funny, though, because she was trying to get that triple-double. I mean, a double-double. And that triple-team on the baseline with Tiznick left in the game.

They up 60. That shit was funny. They haters, bro. They haters, for sure. They haters, bro. You don't want that record to be like, you want to be the people that broke it. Yeah. That's like you getting that rebound and fucking up the parlay. us, bro. You don't want that record to be like, you want to be the people that broke it. Yeah. That's like you getting that rebound

and fucking up the parlay. Oh, yeah, they was hot about that. Man, I got a rebound. Bobby Portis needed one rebound to get like, to hit the parlay or whatever, and I grabbed it. Man, Milwaukee was hot. They was cussing me out,

and I ain't know what was going on. They like, what the fuck, D? You don't even play. What are you doing? I'm like, I'm out there in the way. Yeah, I'm out in the way. Trying to get a stat. I had one rebound. Somebody probably had me at.5.

I was like, somebody probably had me at.5. Oh, somebody's in the over here. That was a nigga sitting all the way at top throwing the.5. Yeah. Man, that is crazy, man. But also with that being said, with, you know what I'm saying,

with that being so prevalent now in today's space, with the sports gambling like that, for you, also, even going back, how would you feel you would have did with NIL in Arizona? I'm going to be honest, man. I wasn't like that. I wasn't him. Okay. Yeah. Right? I mean, I was the lead scorer on the team, I'm going to be honest, man. I wasn't like that. I wasn't him. Okay.

Yeah. Right? I mean, I was the lead scorer on the team, but I played with four All-Americans. Mm-hmm. Right? So, you know, Jason Gardner. They was going to get Richard back. Right?

They would have probably, you know, I was more of a scavenger, dog. Yeah, yeah. You know, I got NIL. I got my money. I was selling autographed balls. Hey, sign that, sign that, sign that. Break back into the locker room, steal all them. So I was getting this,

and I was getting my money. I was doing well. I wasn't starving at all. When I got drafted, I said it. I got drafted second round, I was like, man, I took a pay cut coming to the NBA. Man, I ain't going back to round. I was like, man, I took a pay cut coming to the NBA, man.

I ain't going back to college. Did I say that again? I took a pay cut coming to the NBA. Can I go back to college? I'm going to fucking get in trouble. Shit, I'm in trouble right now. I just spent all this money on this cheap-ass chain and Escalade. I thought I saved money on the fake diamond

and all cubic. All cubic zirconia, baby. Oh, man. How much you spend on a cubic zirconia chain? Ten bands. Oh, okay. You was Christmas.

Back then Right Dipset had the whole Everything was coming All the way down And everybody Did their initials So

Everybody Shit was like this big So That GJ Just sitting there Just yeah I made it I remember Elton Brand

Telling me about They called it the Ice Age He said he spent 250,000 on the chain Yeah I said you crazy as hell no no that's nuts bro man 10 grand look just the same man one of my favorite things y'all doing over at gills and reed obviously i'm going crazy

but the games i'll be playing the draft that shit was fire man i love that competitive league with that man uh. Brandon was pissed. Nigga team sorry as hell, man. Let me see. Yeah, I need some shooting. I'm going to go get James Worthy. James Worthy. Y'all be going right.

Oh, my father. He didn't get off that hitter. My bad, my bad, my bad, bro. He ain't shooting the hitters. What the fuck? That was Aja Reese, nigga. That was Aja Reese. That's his camera right there. You know what's funny?

When you talk about the 80s and everybody get mad, have you watched a game? They be like, no. You know what? We got the internet now. Go in and pop in one of them 80s games. The flex They were like, no, no, you know what we got the internet now you know going and popping this Don't even pop in one of the ladies games

The flex cut the UCLA cut the weave Pre-historic basketball they don't know what's doing to your stuff back then When you were saying that when you was like what Grant Hill came in the league and he was doing right to left crossovers he's like they never seen that before and i watched that tape and how bad he was crossing pippen and all that i'm like yeah it might have been spooky that's what man listen that even even the hand check right the hand check was great because the guards didn't score yeah right so he coming down full court with it back to the basket, right? So, it's easy to hold on to him, right? They didn't do that to Isaiah Thomas because he was the scoring guard. They didn't do it to Tim Hardaway.

They didn't do it to Kevin Johnson, right? When these guys came into the league and they're coming to the basket, what was your hand checking in? It was still in. Obviously, you can't hand check a motherfucker's stomach. So that means he has to turn for you to hold his side. So the fact that everybody's going downhill,

the hand check was irrelevant. All you're doing is just trying to catch up and then you did this shit. You wasn't in the league yet where you drive in and then they just push you into the shot.

They were still doing that. They were still doing that? Yeah, they were still doing that. Baby started doing that to me in practice. He'd let me go, he'd push me right in.

I'm like, I'll get you. I was just sitting to me in practice. He'd let me go. He'd push me right in. I'm like, ah. Just sitting there. Just hitting. Like, come on, ref. Yeah, them. They couldn't move. They couldn't move left to right, man. Them old niggas.

Hey, the 80s. The 80s. The 80s is the year olds today. Y'all don't move very well left to right. They hate him. They hate him. They hate him. Wait, it'd be funny.

He was like, I would have cooked y'all. Yeah. Because it's glory. We're talking about a time that it was the NBA. 78 when the NBA merged. And they don't like talking about it because it was dark ages. Big drug problems. They had to tape delay everything yeah make sure everything was clean but

it was going through a real big drug problem in the 80s right just like the world was right so now you have a bunch of nba players just integrated they got money so what are you going to do right so when magic and bird came in magic was the nba's i call it the nba because aba and nba when they put together it's that's the nba one league now magic Johnson was their first baby that was the baby boy of the NBA 19 years old he was the baby boy of the NBA bird was 22 when he came in right so the first child of the NBA was magic and they held they held the nba to get up and then jordan just polarized it so you know that's why those three are iconic so when you talk about the 80s they think you're talking about them three yeah right you know you like when you say man 80s suck

and we got we got magic bird and like wait yeah we get it dog the rest of you the rest of you y'all was having 216 people drafts all the way up into nasty bro i heard somebody say i was drafted in the seventh round before damn that was all the way into 80 87 yeah 87. michael jordan there's 216 people drafted with him. That's crazy. That's crazy. He was a big guard, too, though. He would have killed them way fast. He was a bigger guard.

He would have. What do you think, play like you now? Like, if you had to say somebody, like, put you in a mode of yourself, who would you say? Probably Maxie. Okay. How he just wants to come downhill real fast. Nah, that's a great comparison.

Like, because it was TV then, like, people don't know, I sat in the post. Right? It was, like, I did more post enough than I did just, it was either going

post up the little guard and they have to put the big guard on me and then now I'm trying to do one full flat and be the mark to dribble. And you have one thing that I've always seen

and my dad coached and he taught it to some of our players on the team. They're like, yeah, you can shoot but you may not be as fast or quick. If you can step out a little bit in that three-point line, and my dad coached, and he taught it to some of our players on the team. They're like, yeah, you can shoot, but you may not be as fast or quick. If you can step out a little bit in that three-point line,

now they got to guard you a little bit differently. You was like the pioneer of that shit because your three-point threat was at the volleyball line. So you got all the space in the world. They couldn't do nothing with you. Yeah, so I seen some report. It was like some synergy report, right? And then it had, like, I'm trying to get better.

Like, what are my flaws? Okay, this corner corner this and this and i'm like you know like it had this like 56 from here and like what the fuck is this and it's like the shots you took from this is 56 so i'm sitting here like three point line 38 back here and i'm like i'm sitting there like this doesn't make no sense so then i'm coming to the spot trying to figure out like all right then i realized the guard is sitting under the three-point line waiting for me there's nobody guarding me here right if i'm shooting a three i'm getting contested here there's no contest yeah right so this is an open shot so i started training these shots right here

knowing that they're going to be open nobody's going to be back there trying to play defense. Like when I came in, everybody went under. Because guards didn't shoot behind the screen. So that's what gave me the advantage. Like, yo, I'm not Gary Payton, dog. I don't have a big man to pass the ball to. So I'm going to sit there and the big man come throw it. Then I fan out and then they double.

We got to swing it, swing it, swing it. And then the last person that's going to get the ball, he can't shoot. Right. Because that's usually put the worst shooter on the other side. Right. And that's the nigga who got all the shots. Yeah. I was that guy before.

You hear it, like, go to the corner. I was like, oh, this motherfucker coming to me. I remember when I did the first pick and roll. Pick. Boom. And they switched out. And I was like, oh shit, hey, move, move, I did one of those, move, move, move. And Coach was like, what are you doing?

I was like, I'm about to take him off the dribble. And I was like, what are you talking about? Look who I have on me, we're going to take him off the dribble. And I was like, son, maybe this is why you don't play in this game maybe this why you got drafted 31 your iq is low and i'm like what and he's like you don't see the guard guarding the big man yeah i seen that but i got you don't think that's the pass so you want me to pass him him one we don't think that's the pass. So you want me to pass on the ball. Him, one.

We don't call no plays for him. Anyway, but you want me to pass on the ball. What's going to happen? They're going to double. We're going to swing it, swing it. Look who's in the corner. He don't shoot. Right?

Is that the play we want? Nah. So you had the IQ. So I ran it. Boom. They swish it. Threw it down. Swish, swish, swish, and I said, Brick! I was fucking dead in the air ball. So y'all, man, this is crazy. Brick?

I'm hot because it's like you don't know our plays and you don't know the player personality. So later on that day, did the pick, and they switched out again. Move. Meow. Yeah. I was on high R after that. There's no more. I ain't got a bench out of that, I can tell you that. You had to throw it to a Donald Foyle?

Yeah. Straight up got this. You know who? Donald Foyle. Goddamn right. Shout out to Foyle. That was my guy. Said, hell of a pitch.

I'm not throwing it down. They tore it. Shit. I see the look on his face. Don't throw it down here. That was the look. Goddamn it. Oh, shit.

It was just crazy because it was like, like I'm sitting there like, like, we ain't never called a play for this motherfucker that I never told him. What to him? All right,

this is what we're doing. I'm glad he got fired because I would have never got off the bench after that display. And you know what's so crazy? We've been blessed to talk to some great pros

these last couple of weeks and just like mindset that you guys have, obviously we should be in guards i know the game probably better than anybody but it's like your own intuition has to kick in because yes this coach is professional and he's telling you what to do but you're just like well i'm telling you it's actually right but this is now an ego battle it has nothing to do about what's going on the court it's about a mental or personal thing how do you overcome that situation when you like i know what the fuck i'm doing is right but now now I got to really prove it to you or get lucky that you get fired

to get out of the way. I got to deal with it. It's on both sides, man. It's a give and take, right? You know, we have two visions, right? You know, the player has a 2K vision. The coach has a courtside vision. So we're seeing different things, right?

Yeah. We have two different views of it. So we both are right and we both are wrong, depending on what we're looking at at that time. So you might be saying, you know, five down, right? Throw it to the big man and I'm watching the game. I'm seeing his mannerisms like, nah, that ain't it. He ain't got it today.

Right? So the point of putting me at the point is you have to trust my instinct. Right? Yeah. That's why you have me at the point. Yeah. To trust my instinct. Knowing that I'm going to do more right than I'm going to do wrong.

Right? So as a coach, you have to give the freedom just to just so they can explore so you know like you know there's games where you have to say all right i ain't coaching today let me see what you got you coach you sub in whoever you're gonna sub in no you got to now you know why you know why what you got to see how they think, right? Because you know how you be subbing players in, and niggas be like, yeah, I should be playing this.

Oh, you do? All right, look. Hey, I'm not going to coach today. I'm just going to be watching players coach themselves. Motherfucker starting at five, and you try to get up. And practice. You're going to be trying to get up and be like,

ah. Nigga be like, nah, dog, no. You don't get in in a, no. You don't get in in a regular game. You ain't getting in today. They're going to self-check themselves anyway. It'll be one of them games

y'all know you're going to win by like 40. We don't got none of them. Nah, but he does have that mentality in practice sometimes. In practice,

he do that. He do that. You got to do that in the game. Everybody think they good in practice. We don't got the luxury. You ain't got the luxury

to do that. You got to read the room. You got one of those teams. You got to read the room. You got one of those teams. Y'all got one of those teams. You ain't got the luxury. You got to read the room. You got one of those teams. You got to read the room. You got one of those teams. You got one of those teams. You ain't got the luxury. Y'all playing all high level.

Every single team. You see hardball? That's what they have right now. They get to the next level. Right now, they're playing hardball. Every team we play is like a top team

in the state, though. He always have like a, well, always, but second year, but he got a tough schedule, usually, at the school we at. I don't know if Elijah got up and down.

Maybe he got the blind or the deaf school and then he got to play Sierra Cane. No, no, no. That's tax. That's tax. So the prep school's a little bit. Yeah, you feel me? That's why I'm saying Cali a little different. When you in that 4A, you in that 4A.

There ain't really no ducking. He got a D1 player every night. Oh, see, the problem with the Cali schools is because everyone teamed up, you're going to have five stars on one team. These schools might not have none. You're going to got four on that side. So then Sierra Canyon's in a division where most of the other teams ain't got no black players.

Right? So for the most part, they trying to duck and forfeit anyway because it's like, we're not equipped to play you guys. Y'all not even in our league. Y'all ain't even supposed to be in the league. Right? Y'all done souped the teams up. Y'all can't be in this regular ass league.

They supposed to be on that Mount Verde circuit. Yeah, they have to be. Prep schedule. Yeah. So yeah, bro don't have that luxury, bro. Y'all can't be in this regular-ass league. They supposed to be on that Mount Verde circuit. Yeah, they have a prep schedule. Yeah, so, yeah, bro don't have that luxury, bro. Nah, we don't got that. He ain't got an NBA player every time, like, when he was playing in high school, but he definitely, for sure, most likely is playing a D1 player on the other end. For sure. Yeah, when I was in high school, it was an NBA player at every school.

Yeah. That sectional? Yeah, that sectional. That's what I'm saying. You trying to slight Indiana. Yeah. Eric Gordon, G Hill went to school with him yeah

I had Courtney Lee on my team yeah Robert we had Robert Vaden in high school Mike Conley Josh McRoberts yeah we can go crazy

and that was in one section Gordon Hayward we can go crazy all in one yeah so if you got lucky enough to beat George Shield

Josh McRoberts and you got to get Mike Conley. Oh, see, LA's so spread. Yeah. Yeah. That's what LA's so spread where you don't really, right, you can't, yeah, it ain't really like that.

There's so many divisions, though. It ain't even this crazy. We just got 4A. Well, we got 1A, 2A, but don't nobody really play that. But still, even with those for the NBA players, he still play with D1 caliber players on his team. Yeah. Mike Collin and them still, they sent Donald Coutier, Mike.

They had like eight players. Yeah, bro. So it's different. Nah, so Indiana different. It's basketball for real. Yeah. Even like, it's a hood school called Arlington. It ain't a school no more.

They had a dude named Deontay Vaughn went to Cincinnati. They beat Greg Owen and Mike Collin. Yeah. They only lost it a year. Yeah, they only lost it a year, but he killed them. He had like 38. They was ranked 20th

in the country. Okay, okay, okay. All right, okay. So like... Okay. What the Lord? Here we go. You know what I mean?

Don't do too much. It was cool. You know, we did... Nah, you was into me already.? It was cool. You know, it was... Nah, he was into me already. I did Ball Up. Ball Up. My dad was running it, too.

Yeah, that's his dad. And then we went to Indy. Not going like, yeah. We had an Indy team, yeah. Yeah, there was some jumping motherfuckers out there. For sure. Y'all was in Northwest, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was something like, yeah, they can get a hit.

Them in Chicago, I was like, yeah, y'all got some bouncies over here. See, Napa's one of them places that you'll go to an open gym, it's a random nigga who just drank a fifth and about to come hoop, but he probably had D1 talent. But just basketball in Indianapolis especially just means too much. Like, the open gyms in the city be different than most places. You're going there with D1 level talent that just got off an eight-hour shift. Yeah.

Because y'all got top-heavy players ini like you russ i got a lot of all-stars too for sure paul pierce like we don't but even that that's still spread out though yeah it's like you know you got um you have the la schools you get so you got city section southern section they don't play each other so for the most part like, unless you schedule it, like Jason Crow Jr. and my son, they would never see each other.

Oh, okay. But because they both led, so Jason Crow Jr. as a freshman led the country or led Cali and Scorum. My son was number two. Everybody was like,

we want to see them play against each other. So now, we have to section each other, but their team is better than my son's team, right? There's, even though in their section, they like shit right it's just it's all divisions you know it's all divisions so it's all spread out so it's hard for oh yeah that's tough like even though you know my son him playing against Sierra Canyon everybody's like oh he needs to be

in this it's like he does the rest dog the rest of the team, dog. They won't even make the C-squad at your school. Yeah. They can't even dribble. They better not take the ball out. You know what I mean? Like, that's what you do. You damn over there were like more than a rebound. Like more than a rebound.

You got one of them teams over there. Oh, your team couldn't. They couldn't come to Indiana, bro. But we went to the state. We went to the state championship. I know, but that's what I said. But my son would be, like, if it's an Indy, he's just going to go to one of those schools.

He's not going to be on the bottom feeding team. Oh, he can come to Pike. Yeah, he can. Oh, yeah, we can take him to Pike, for sure. But, yeah, you could. It ain't no schools like that in Indy. Nah. There ain't no sad schools in that 4A.

Yeah. Like, we get beat by Hamilton Southeastern. Or, like, Fishers. They got the best. They won state, and it's all white dudes. Yeah. schools and then 4a yeah like we get beat by hamilton southeastern or like fishers they got the best they won state and it's all white dudes yeah and you like like when you're about to go playing you like man you're about to kill them they start hooping you like ah shit yeah they play like god damn cutting like gold state but they wasn't holding the ball should they be scoring like 100 points 85 points but his son got the luxury, too, of being trained by him, too. So that kind of. Yeah, yeah.

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