Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Jeff Teague & Draymond Green on Klay to Mavericks, Brunson extension, Carmelo vs. Tatum

Episode Date: July 25, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 86 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Draymond Green to discuss all things NBA offseason. The guys react to Klay Thompson leaving the Golden State Warriors for the Dallas Mavericks, as well as Jalen Brunson’s contract extension with the New York Knicks, and Paul George signing with the Philadelphia 76ers. The guys then debate Carmelo Anthony vs. Jayson Tatum, and whether Michael Jordan or LeBron James is the GOAT. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's a crossover episode. It's like when your badass cousins get together on Thanksgiving and take that walk, walk before the meal come out. You know what it is. Special guest to my left, to my far left, my dog, Bishop B. Hinn out the Priory. Tell you what, nasty. Cool, nasty. Let's get to it, baby.

Nah, I got to tell you, A-Dre, you know what I'm saying? Some things have changed in life. See, he got the new Hinn chain. See, he started off with the gold was happening but he done elevated now my boy out here shining in vegas money club club 520. you're doing right away it ain't your turn to talk you got to order i have a question Can I add me to the show? I need some of that money, too. Man, come on.

You're a part of the network. Can I be a main star of the show? I actually forgot your shoes. The black ones? You ended the season how I thought you would. So that's my fuck up. You know, I didn't know. My timing was messed up.

We had a rough morning. That's the after the game. But let's, you know, let's get to it, DJ. For sure, for sure. To my right, my dog, Young Nacho, Young Tig. How you doing, man?

I'm chilling, bro. Chilling. Glad we got family back in the building. You know, he said he gonna be our distant cousin on the podcast. So, it's all good. Come on, man? I'm chilling, bro. Chilling. Glad we got family back in the building. You know, he said he's going to be our distant cousin on the podcast, so it's all good. Come on, man. You know what it is. To my left, special guest return. We don't have some people in the block on 520, but his family always will slide under.

Full-time, full-time champ. You know what it is. Draymond Green. Big dog. Appreciate you pulling back up on us, homie. Absolutely, man. I appreciate y'all having me. First time was too short.

We was just getting into the rhythm, so I appreciate y'all having me back on. I've been looking forward to it. I watch all the shows. Y'all relax on me today. Nah. We chillin', bro. We coolin'. We coolin' today.

But we gotta talk about, okay, so you gone. The Black Forces is done. Nah. White Laces with the J's. Nah. All nominees, okay. New chain. New, new.

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what i'm saying We had a good time We was out together Me and T You know what I'm saying A couple other people Now we had one last round Of drinks right Could you please tell the people

What was provided to us As a beverage From Freaky Mike himself Freaky Mike bro He ordered us lemon drop With sugar on the rim Whoa I said

I ain't know What was going on Whoa You don't got no mic today I know You can't defend yourself So I know But I don't know What's going on you don't got no mic today I know you can't defend yourself so I know but I don't know

what's going on so I'm drinking a drink my wife with me so I'm like maybe she ordered this you know what I mean I'm like yo here you go

your drink and Mike's like no that's for y'all wow what you do I handed her my I handed you oh

I said I needed three shots of the beer and she said you want three shots I said I want the shots and she handed me that Oh. Cal Newham. You out of pocket. July 12th, not June 12th. You paid $33 a drink for some lemon drop with sugar on the rim? Sugar on the rim, bro.

He made his wife. That's crazy. I'm telling Sierra. I'm telling Sierra. I ain't want to do that, but I had to take home to home because it was a major violation. I didn't know what was going on. We was in a club toasting up. We was out of pocket. Out of pocket.

As a conglomerate of 520, we was out of pocket. What's worse is that we drunk it. We accepted it. We accepted the drink. I'm out of pocket. I'm out of pocket. You out of pocket saying it ain't you. Welcome to the show, man.

This is crazy, man. This is where you can put your sponsorship right here. Hey, man, it's been a while since we talked All-Star. Man, how is life? How's everything going, man? The show's been going crazy, man. I'll say one thing I love was the championship series you had during the finals. That was super, super dope, bro.

That was dope. Talk to the champions, you know what I'm saying? Talk your shit. And it was good, you know what I'm saying? It's good to see, like, you going crazy in this space.

Like, I think one thing people need to give you your flyers on is, like, a lot of people getting into the game, but that, as soon as the game over, you hop and go

into reaction shit, a lot of people getting account, hey, you were a pioneer in the podcast game for that, bro. You kind of made a lane for a lot of people to do that it's particularly this industry I got to

give you your flyers off top with that bro I appreciate that bro um yeah bro it started when I got kicked out of that game I ain't had nothing else to do it's Memphis like ain't nothing to do

in Memphis nothing nothing and I I left I was hot by the way because I didn't feel like I ain't I ain't grabbed bro like that, because I didn't feel like it. I didn't grab a brother like that. He went to the ground. It ain't my fault he's not strong enough. But so I was hot.

I got kicked out the game. I just walked back to the hotel. I don't know why I was walking down the streets of Memphis either because they hated me at that point. Yeah, you brave. You played dangerous games, right? Respect. I walked to the hotel, and I'm like, you know what?

I'm about to do my podcast right now. As soon as the game ends, I'm on here. And, man, I think that was one of the best things I ever did because it really sparked an interest for that real-time update after a game. And that's been my thing now. People was telling me, like, yo, you came podcast. You in the playoffs. And then we won a championship

and everybody shut up. So it was all good. That's cold, bro. It's all good. Like, how do you feel like when you see other players doing that? It's like, yeah.

Or is it like, dang, what you trying to take my life? Or is it like, nah, it's like an honor? Nah, I think it's space for all of us, man. Yeah, it's fast. Because we all got,

we all got stories to tell. Like, I can't do what y'all do. You know what I'm saying? Like, that ain't my thing. You know what I'm saying? I think what's so special about this space is, like, you can carve out your own lane and whatever it is that you want to do,

as y'all has done. So when I see guys doing it now, I have two thoughts. A, I like that you're doing that. I think that's super dope that you're doing that. But B, make sure you're in a space to do it first. You know, because I see some guys start now and, like, if you start now because you're trying to make that your main job, great, go for it. But you're not in a space right now to do that and try to make it in basketball

because you ain't made it in that yet so happy you said that and so i i kind of look at it that way like i'll be excited as hell to see everybody doing their thing i think it's dope but at the same time i i get a little worried that people trying to do too much too soon. Like I'm on the wrong side of my down slide. Yeah. Like I'm headed into year 13. I probably got two more. And so it's important to start building for the next thing. For sure. But for some of these guys,

they be in year three still trying to figure it out with a podcast. Like I love that you're doing it. I love that you found something that you want to do. But you in year three and ain't done shit. Nobody really want to hear from you. Facts. You know what I'm saying? As great as y'all show has been and where it's gone,

it all started because you were an all-star and an NBA champion. And so you're going to naturally gain eyes by that. And then it's like, oh, man, him, DJ, they funny as fuck. It's a good-ass show. But people started watching because it's like, oh, Jeff Teague is talking about the NBA. He an all-star and he a champion. I want to hear what he got to say.

And I think some guys get started too soon where they ain't got nothing to say and whatever it is you're going to say and i think some guys get started too soon where they ain't got nothing to say and whatever you is you're gonna say nobody kind of want to hear it because you ain't proven nothing and they still and for me like you still got a brand that you got to protect yeah and so like we was talking about it on your show and earlier when we were just speaking like a lot of guys be nervous to come on shows like this but like you said You established You got your brand And you can You can shoot the shit If you want to

You there A lot of young guys They don't understand that Like yo I'm shooting the shit I'm doing this I'm telling all these Like bro Build your stuff up

Get to year 10 And then have some fun And do all that Don't do that in year 4 And you not that guy Now if you that guy If you Trey Young Like Trey Young got a podcast

He that guy Absolutely Like you know Do your thing bro You that guy now if you that guy if you trey young like trey young got a podcast he that guy absolutely you know like do your thing bro you that guy but if you a guy that was like in a situation like i was like you know you're trying to find yourself and you're a young guy and you're still just trying to establish yourself for a young guy 200 million dollar country life is great y'all can do a lot of other things. Man, make $200 million. Yeah, if you ain't got that, it's chill. You know what I mean? But like you said, it's a space for everybody, for sure. For sure, man.

And I know, I mean, with the social media, it's so encouraged. Everybody have their own brand, quote, unquote. But the whole part of having a brand is having substance behind that. Because if you don't have the substance behind it, it can fuck you up and the brand you're trying to build at the same time. It's kind of like self-sabotage. But you talked about that Trae Young contract. I don't know if y'all seen the news today, but Jalen Brunson signed that extension with the Knicks today. Word. I have

not seen that. He took a discount. 154. Four years, 154. If he could have signed next year, he would have had that super duper 250-something. He took a $100 million discount. He did to Draymond Green. I signed that four for $100, and if He did to Draymond Green. I signed that four for $100,000,

and if I waited, I could have got like four for $180,000. But I need to lock my money in. I'll fuck with that. I'm so glad you said that. Don't nobody feel you. Bro, I'll fuck with that. No, I'd rather lock $100,000 in to make sure I got that $100,000. Chasing that extra six, your $80,000, I'd rather lock a hundred in to make sure I got that hundred. Yeah.

Chasing that extra six, your 80, and then I don't get it. I just wasn't willing to take that risk. And Jalen may not be willing to take that risk, but he different. You're the number one option on the New York Knicks. He was going to get that. And by the way, not only are you the number one option on the New York Knicks, and that's cool, but the city of New York love you. You're going to get that. And by the way, not only are you the number one option on the New York Knicks, and that's cool, but the city of New York love you. You're going to get that 250. He was getting that.

I think he won. They said he took less because he wanted to build a team. You know Josh Hart. Some of them guys are going to be up for extensions. I don't know who Josh Hart is. I think he just got one too. And Mikel Bryant. I don't know who he was trying to get paid.

I'm not sure. Can I tell you something? No, no, no. Trying to get paid I'm not sure Can I tell you something I don't mean to cut you off Can I tell you something It's the New York Knicks bro They can afford it You ain't got to take no discount Of course

For them to get paid You ain't got My situation again My situation is different Because Steph making 270 Clay making 180 Alright something got to give

Cool I can take a little less. I can take less. But he the top guy. Yes, sir. By the way, let Josh Hart or somebody else take less. They in my role. Not one of them take less, but guess what? Steph Curry ain't

take a penny less. I feel that. And neither did Clay Thompson ain't take a penny less. If it's gonna work, somebody do. Well, guess what? I ain't really expecting them to take less. I feel that. And neither did Klay Thompson ain't take a penny less. Rightfully so. If it's going to work, somebody do. Well, guess what? I ain't really expecting them to take less. Yeah, they should.

I don't know what he doing. I'm happy for him. He still got the max, though. The max extension. Yeah. He ain't get the max. That's $100 million. But like a man

told me one time, bro, he was like, if I told you, you was going, I remember when I signed for 32. Damn, that sounds so crazy because shout out to Max Christie. Max Christie just got that. But was going i remember when i signed for 32 damn that sounds so crazy because shout out to max chrissy just got that but i signed for 32 i signed for 32

shout out to god i'm happy for you bro i'm not hating that i swear to god i'm not but i remember i signed that the man was like if i told you he was gonna make 32 million dollars two years ago you would have told me i'd do anything for that and i was like he was like so why the fuck you playing around now i was like you right so i feel like him he probably like his dad probably was like man if i told you he's gonna get 154 million dollars you want to sign that he probably you right fuck it you might get hurt next year i know rick too you might you might roll your question though i would i wouldn't sign it it, though. No chance. Question, though. So, I've seen quite a few extensions this summer, and it left me with a question of who's representing these guys?

Because did they, like, also, did they not? And by the way, I'm never going to question someone getting some money because all this money is life-changing for us where we all come from. But some of these extensions I've been looking at, like Jalen signed a four-year, do they not realize there's TV money coming up? Them deals about to get bigger. So now he took four for 154.

In a year and a half, he going to be making mid-level. Yeah, facts. Because the match going to be 80. I think he got an option, though. I was going to say, the details, I would love to see if he has an option after year two. I would really like to see that. He better have an option. I would love to see that. The option's not going to come until the year three. If it's a four-year

deal, the option ain't coming until after year three. That's going to be, which the deal, if it's an extension, the deal don't kick in until next season, which is the season that the TV money starts. So that's going to be three years on new TV money. And that's three years of playing. Your body wearing tear.

And you play for tips. You know, that's dog ears on the court. Yeah. I love tips. But, man, tips, you playing for it. I wish I would have met you. JB. We don't know the details yet.

These niggas are from the Skiila. No, I've had it before. I mean, I would have... Nah. Because he already coming off a $100 million deal. I would have went and got the two song. I ain't going to lie to you. If you're telling me you can gamble one year for 100 extra M's,

you're going to take that gamble. And I already made 100. And you that nigga. You're going to take that extra M. Yeah, I made 100. Yeah, I made 100. By the way, they may not like my eight points next year, but he can do it again. It's a different situation, man.

Respect. Respect. I don't know. I'm happy for him, though. Oh, yeah. I love it. Well deserved because he got it out the mud. And I couldn't appreciate anybody who get it out the mud.

So, since you're the second round pick and we family, where does JB start moving up in that second round pick? He got to win. He got to win. He got to win. He not top five? He not. And the only reason he not is because all the guys that ends in my top five, he may say, Draymond, get out here.

I'll replace you, which I'm cool with. I'm fine. I ain't fighting over that. Shoot your father. Joker. Yoke. Manu Manu. Hmm No particular order myself Absolutely, um, I was just looking at this list the other day. Yeah Gilbert is not in my top five um second hey jackson you remember who else was on my list

oh dennis rodman for sure oh yeah damn yeah dennis rodman man worm i got a couple of worm graphic tees But I get the rebound and all that shit bro But um He was a very very important piece Let me hear the fifth one He a hall of famer And respect the numbers he did in Vegas Respect the numbers he did in Vegas

He talked about that a lot He's first round Lottery Absolutely Hummer like LeBron. High school. Off the court activities. It's Wilk, didn't know.

Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. That's a hell of a front quarter. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Y'all got to give me a five then. I got Gil up there too, bro. Just so far as.

Marc Gasol. Man, never. Aw. Marc Gasol, nice. Marc Gasol. Great defense. Great anchor. We should have put power in Marc and the brothers' conversation. Mark Gasol, great defense. Great anchor. We should have put power

in Mark in the brothers' conversation. We slept on them. And we slept on the Bob brothers, too. Yeah, we did. Mark Gasol, for sure, bro. Definitely a hooper, bro. But I'm taking Gilbert, bro. I'm taking Jalen Brunson

over Gilbert Arenas. Ooh. Like, they run about the same. Gilbert had a – Gilbert my favorite player. Yeah, no, I wore a zero because of Gilbert. But Gilbert run was like – it was only like four or five years. If Jalen Brunson keep going for like two or three more years, he going to surprise Gilbert.

I agree. Yeah. I'm just talking about strictly just game, though, y'all. Jalen Brunson game is nasty. He's cold. No, I'm just saying. I said top five first. I'm going to put him in there.

If you just going off game though then Gilbert's probably number one. Yeah I'm going off strictly game. Just going off game. He's probably number one. You think Gilbert Nassier the mantle? Gil game is crazy. Crazy. Bro, I wore zero.

His Gil game is like Gil game at the time he was in the NBA, just off pure game, he was probably top five. For sure. One of the better, bigger guards, bro, ever, bro. For sure. Fast to be 6'4". He was definitely as fast as John Wall, bro. Young guy.

The only problem I have with Gil's resume to say he top five is if you really look at the numbers, he only did it for like four years. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because Gil was really paid in full in the NBA. You know what I'm saying? So it was a stipulation to that. Like I tell people about Penny all the time. He give me slack about Penny.

It ain't no diss. He love Penny. But I'm saying like, just off game, bro. He's one of the greatest point guards ever, bro. Nah, bro. He is, bro. What makes you great is like your longevity, bro. I agree.

You saying pure hooper or if you just like die test, you're going to be like, yeah, he cold. But your longevity make you great. That's why LeBron Is so special Like bro He playing for 23 years At that level It don't Like it's your longevity

Like him Playing for as long As he did Winning championships His longevity Is going to be greater Than Gilbert Because he played this long

He was successful this long His numbers or whatever That one year He might have had It don't count That's why I don't talk About myself like that Because like

Yeah you made All-Star one time like the chill bro you had a decent career though bro yeah I did you was very consistent for sure absolutely

yeah I did but like you I get it though like Jalen Brunson do this for three four more years well I wish people would show Mello

that type of love then Mello Mello yes bro who don't love Mello I'm just I'm not the peers

y'all show respect I'm not saying y'all don't respect Mello? I'm just, I'm not, the peers, y'all show respect. I'm not saying y'all don't respect Mello. That Tatum vs. Mello one-on-one conversation. Outside world, bro, for real, he get a lot of slack. But we don't respect the outside world opinion. That's a fact. Okay. I'm just saying, people never mention longevity when they speak of him.

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They just said the Melo, Jason Tatum battle. You guard both of them. Yeah. They play one-on-one. Who do you think is a tougher cover? Melo. Get stronger, bro. JT on your ass.

By the way, JT is my man. I love JT on your ass. By the way, JT is my man. I love JT. But the thing that Melo did different than just about anyone was the pressure that he put on the rim. Melo put crazy pressure on the rim, whereas opposed to, I actually have told JT this before. Bro, get to the cup. Sometimes you settle too much.

I told him after we beat him in the championship, I just want you to know our stuff was predicated on you settling. You settle sometimes too much. And when he gets to the hole, he can't be stopped. His handle, he's 6'10".

You can't stop him once he gets to the hole but mellow mellow man i was playing mellow my first year first or second year david lee had got suspended steph him clay they had got into this thing with the pacers night before the scuffle yeah i remember ge George Hill got thrown around. Absolutely. I remember that. Steph hit somebody's leg and fell down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, that David Lee got suspended the next game. We was in the garden

the next night. So, I started and I had to guard Melo. He caught the ball in the mid post, square faced up, and put his hand down, drove to the rim, went right into me, laid the ball up. He missed. It probably could have been a foul, but it's borderline. He created all the contact.

They didn't call a foul. He looked at the rough like, call the foul. He went back to the same spot the next play. Put his head down and ran through me and got the foul. But that's the pressure he put on the rim all the time to put that type of pressure on the rim i just think that makes you a tougher cover bro that dude's second jump was so fast like he missed his own rebound more than anybody on the wing than i ever seen bro like i used to think mellow i remember one time we played him he went i was in atlanta he's in the guard he went crazy on us but it was

all off of like pull-ups and second jumps like he'll shoot a jumper he hit that he'd go to the room post up miss it second jump layup i'm like damn and i i was like god damn you like a bull in a china shop bro like you strong as hell like mellow yeah he was cold first step crazy too greatest first step come on bro ever bro go first. That's my favorite part. People, I don't want to be speaking on him because niggas be saying I hate him so much. But he's one of the greatest scorers ever, bro, who don't really get his just due out. You're right, though. He don't get his due. For real, bro.

He don't get his due. It bothers me. I didn't like how he was out of the league. Me and bro watched how Houston treated him back at home for the Patriots. I was like, yeah, it's crazy. Him and Iverson had the worst treatment I've ever seen

of like superstars I've ever seen in the NBA. Like Iverson at one time, I remember when he played for the Memphis Grizzlies, it was my rookie year and it was just like,

that's Allen Iverson, bro. What y'all doing? Like, nah, bro. Like, this don't look right. Y'all got him at the end of,

nah, this don't look right. That's our guy, bro. You can't do that to AI, bro. Yeah the end nah this don't look right that's hard that's hard you can't do that to A.I. yeah like same thing with Mello like seeing him in Houston it's like nah bro

nah I think it came out like a goddamn EBC game I said man where Mello he come out middle of the game

just walking out going through it yeah sitting down they caught him he like fuck it I'll get out there for a little bit it's mellow bro look at that that was literally the last game he played bro i swear rockets we was there and you talk about the longevity situation and that's why i think like you said it needs to be more honest especially people in your situation you know i'm saying for you to be a 13 year vet same organization like that's those

things need to be praised more we kind of phase people out but it's just like we can't do that because you have to respect what people did people ain't just doing this people ain't just staying in the league off strengths they be waiting to get

certain people out the way so people will stay around even no matter how good you are however you kind of not as good as you were we need more respect on shit like that for sure I sure thought this nigga

was on his way to the Hornets who? Dre why you thought he was going to the Hornets. Oh, Dre. Why you thought he was going to the Hornets? I said, after the last few games, I said,

yeah, they sick of his ass. Don't give him to Charlotte. Hello, my nigga, three. He's going to be driving his golf cart.

I'm going to be driving a Lambo on Charlotte. It's up. That's him, dude. Oh, yellow Lambo.

Fire. Hey, I tell you what, though. I pray to God, if they ever feel the need to get rid of me, like, at least send me, like, send me somewhere. Don't say, Drayson, a Pistons. No, bro. That's true.

No, no. They got to do you right, bro. I'm not fucking around with you, bro. They got to do you right, bro. If they're going to send me to any non-winning organization, Detroit, then send me to Detroit. Yeah, thanks.

It's the crib. Yeah, thanks. I can make you do what you do there. Yeah. It's the crib. So if they're going to send me to any non-winning organization, I'd much rather it be Detroit than Charlotte. You done gave too much to the city, bro.

You got to go where you want to go. I hope I don't go anywhere. Yeah, but I'm saying, we talking about, of course, you need to finish out in the gold. But if it came to that, you need to have a, no, I'm not going to Orlando. I want to go where I want to go. I think they have enough respect to do that.

Out of respect, for sure. I mean, that's what Atlanta did for me when I wanted to go to Indiana Yeah so if he got it for sure Damn that's cold Yo What happened the second time The double zero That boomer tee

I asked not to go there I said can y'all please not send me to Atlanta I didn't want to go there bro That's, can y'all please not send me to Atlanta? I had my nigga jump up and down. I didn't want to go there, bro. That's how much of Minnesota they fuck with me. I was like, bro, please don't send me to Atlanta.

I just want to go somewhere they trying to win, bro. I'm still like, I'm averaging 14 off the bench, bro. Yeah. I'm trying to be the sixth man of the year

or something, bro. He said, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to Atlanta. I was like, dude. Yeah, fuck you too. So I got to ask Dre, obviously, you know So I gotta ask Dre Obviously, you know what I'm saying We talked last All-Star

Finishing out the season I would say probably more of an emotional season For a lot of things going on How was that mince, you know what I'm saying Obviously knowing what took place Some of the things that could have took place How was it just getting through the rest of the season? Honestly, it was fun to play again.

And it felt like a weight was off my shoulders for the rest of the year, except for when something went wrong. When something went wrong, like, for instance, when I got ejected in Orlando, like two minutes into the game, whatever it was, three minutes into the game we had a bunch of black forces that day I went on

hand lights he beat Rasheed Wallace record we had a group text online bro so when I

got kicked out of that game like I hadn't had a tech since I've been back. And so then I get kicked out of that game and everybody like, yo, look, he haven't learned anything. Number one, let's stop that he haven't learned anything. Like, I'm a fucking dummy. Like, I'm not dumb.

He hasn't learned anything, blah, blah, blah. Also, like, I play basketball. Like, stop acting like I'm, like blah blah also like i play basketball like stop acting like i'm like sticking somebody i play basketball um but it was the whole like he haven't learned anything he's this he's that he's a problem look at steph steph's emotional and steph told me after the game like yo i need you out there like i just i like whatever it is i just need you out there steve came to me after the game and was like yo you good i'm like yeah he's like great i'm not about to make like i'm not i'm not about to make a bunch out of this like like you getting kicked out of that game you're're going to get kicked out sometimes.

By the way, I need you to get kicked out sometimes. I need you to be who you are. No, we can't make a thing out of it, but I just want you to know you've been absolutely incredible since you've been back. You just got kicked out of that game. We got to bounce back tomorrow. I'm like, no problem, coach. I appreciate it. And so the roller coaster kind of ended once I got back,

except for when something like that happened. But I was so happy to play basketball again and just, like, be around the guys again, like, compete at a high level, and most importantly, kill the narrative. Because the only, when you go through something like I was going through last year, the only way out of it is actually to play well.

Like, you can apologize as much as you want. You can do as many podcasts. Until you play well, people don't move on. And so my goal coming back was like, yo, I just got to come back and play well, and we got to win. And when I came back, we was winning games. I was playing well, and they kind of all went away.

But if we wasn't winning, as soon as we started losing, oh, it's his fault, like, man, stop. That's crazy. So it was one of the most trying seasons I've ever been through, for sure. But I do feel like it also provided the most growth for me in a season than I've ever had. It required and forced me to grow in a way that when you're winning, you don't have to because nobody cares.

You're winning. So it is what it is. When you're winning and that happens, it is like when you winning and that happened it's like look that's the heart of a champion they winning all of a sudden you're not winning and now you're an idiot and you're uncontrollable and you shouldn't be here and so um it forced me to grow because we wasn't winning and i had to understand that when you're not winning, the things that you get away with when you're winning ain't the same. Yeah, it's real.

I wanted to ask you about Clay's departure. You know, y'all had a, man, one of the best runs ever, bro. Y'all trio. I know it's the Splash Brothers, brothers bro but i ain't saying it because you here bro it's really the the big three for real with you uh how is it man how you dealing with your man it's like sliding and to be honest with you i haven't given him much thought okay because i really don't want to face the reality until i have to face the reality. Yeah, until it's time to suit up. And so, like, it's kind of just this thing that's, like, floating around out there.

And then people be like, yo, how you feel about Clay? And I'm like, ah, like, ah, I don't know. Like, I haven't really allowed my mind to process it. Needless to say, I said all of that to say, I'm happy as hell he gone. And the reason I'm happy he's gone is because he wasn't happy no more.

And as a brother, I only want what's best for you, not what's best for me, not what's best for this team, not what's best for the organization. We spend so much time around each other. As you know, you spend more time around these guys than you do your family.

And to see him unhappy, like, the way I saw him unhappy last year, and I wouldn't even necessarily say unhappy. He was uneasy, though. Like, just bothered. And to see him now, to see someone that doesn't have a care in the world. Like, if you walk around our organization and you say, yo, tell me about Clay. Everybody will say, oh, he live in his own world.

And everybody cool with that. So to see someone that does not have a single care in the world all of a sudden just, like, can't shake nothing, that bothered me. You know what I'm saying? Like, that to me was far more hurtful than him leaving. Like, to see somebody that just loved to play basketball. Like, that man loved to play basketball. He loved going on his boat and he loved his dog. That's about it.

And to see him, like, not happy with that thing, it's time. You know what I'm saying? And so I think it was time for him. I think it was time for the organization. Like, we've been in the tax for six straight years. Nobody talk about that side of, you know what I'm saying? Like, Clay left. We not in the tax no more.

The organization get a chance to reset. Because at the end of the day, regardless of how uneasy he was last year, regardless of how bothered he was, we built that organization. That's a fact. That organization was the laughing we built that organization. That's a fact. That organization was the laughing stock of the NBA. That's a fact, bro. And so, in doing what we've done, there's still a care for the organization. Like, we was just about to make some

trades last week, and I told them straight up, like, yo, that trade helped me. Like, it'll help me right now in my career these last couple years and stuff but i've always spoke to y'all from a place of what's best for this organization i won't stop now yeah that's a bad trade like don't do that trade like i i disagree with it although it's going to help me right now yeah and so what clay just did and and nobody will give him credit for what clay just

did is he just released, he just relieved this organization of the financial hardships that the organization was starting to face. Right? He's still doing for the organization. But nobody will say that. Nobody will say him leaving because they'll only make it about,

ah, he was unhappy. Which, again, he wasn't the happiest last year. But by the way, you've been through this shit. Who is? This is a hard job, man. Yeah, that But by the way, you've been through this shit. Who is? This is a hard job, man. Yeah, that's fair.

Like, you go through it and forgot it. He's been happy for 12 straight years to have one unhappy year. I think we'll all do just that. But in saying that, he provided cap relief for this organization on his way out. You know what I'm saying? Got some picks sent back to the organization on his way out. And I believe in second round picks. I got no choice but to believe in second round picks.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm happy for him. I'm happy he left because I never, I did not enjoy at all seeing him the way i saw him last year yeah because he can care less whether the sky is blue or green on it on a daily basis but now every day something is at him yeah that wasn't fun to watch so it was good for him it was good for everybody but that 31 look crazy it's disgusting it's nasty whatever that is 31 look nuts somebody Somebody said to me, like, yo, 31, that's Reggie Miller number. And I said, yeah.

Clay better than Reggie. But he Clay Thompson. Yeah, Clay better than Reggie. Clay Thompson don't need to wear. Clay out of pocket. Right. For wearing 31. And then Festus and Zili wore 31.

Yeah. Yeah. And, like, Festus tried to go at me on Instagram, like, what's wrong with 31? I'm like, you wore 31. Yeah. Yeah. And like, Fess has tried to go at me on Instagram. Like, what's wrong with 31? Like, you wore it. What you mean?

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we did a, we did a, we did a, we did a, we did a, we did a, we did a, we did a championship together. We was drafted together. But if you wore the number, Clay probably shouldn't wear the number.

He's like, well, you're wearing MJ's 23. It worked out for you. And quite frankly, Spence, MJ is top two ever in NBA history. Top two. Hold on. Top two. Hold on. What you mean?

There's a guy named LeBron James that's number one. So he's top two. Hold on. Hold on. Top two. Hold on. What you mean? There's a guy named LeBron James that's number one. So he top two. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

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Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. the gap between Michael Jordan and me is far smaller

than the gap between Clay Thompson and Festus and Zealy. Hey, MJ's top two and I'm not top 100. But the gap between us two and the gap between Festus and Zealy It's just a nigga that's 100 that you better than.

Possibly. But the point of the gap. Like, MJ is MJ. And the gap between me and him and Clay and Festus. It's like the Empire State Building. This is why we can't get no fucking guests. Because the damn guests we get come over here and y'all think it's us. And it is.

Respectfully, Festus said that's my number. It's out of pocket. That's us. In these niggas. Respect, what Fessy said, that's my number on the pocket. That's great. What's wrong with 31? Hello. Fessy, did you wear it because Reggie got a bad hand? It's for a big man with bad hands. That's what's wrong with 31. I love this nigga.

I see what you did to Kentucky that year, bro. You played really well against my brother. I love you, Fess. But you had to get it because there was no point in you commenting and talking about what's wrong with 31. Look at Clay in 31. Get number one. Get number 10. Kyrie got 11.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. We hate the Jordan and Brian debate, but I just want to ask you, what separates them on the court to you? What separates them on the court to me is... To make you give Brian the push. What separates them on the court to me is, I think, number one,

Brian's intention to make... Brian's intention to make people better the guys that LeBron has made better like did you see them play without him yeah it is like come on his but he was an all-star with my booby Gibson exactly house and he was intentional about making those guys better. MJ made guys better just because of how good he was. Yeah. It wasn't like, ah, think this way, so I'm going to do this to get this guy this.

No, you're just so good that then that guy can get off how good you are. And I think that's a different thing i also think a two-year break in the middle of a crazy run is like that's that's heaven on earth like to like to have two years off from this thing that we do in the middle of a run and then come back and keep, like, bro, like, you can't act like he just went six in a row. Well, he went to go play baseball.

He left and came back in a crazy sport. I love, I love baseball. I'm a big Yankee fan, but they, they body ain't going, they play a lot of games.

Yeah. They body not going. All right, but imagine, imagine you take two years off and you don't pick up a ball and you start doing something else trying to be good at that. You start playing pickleball and you're like, fuck it, I'm going to go all in on pickleball.

I agree, by the way. And you're still the best in the world, bro. When you come back. But I want to be like Mike. That's Michael Jordan. However, A, MJ crazy. Yeah, for sure. I don't think he ever put the basketball down.

Like, in my opinion, I just don't think so. I don't believe that either. He crazy like that. I think he went all in on baseball to try to be good. I don't believe that he did. No, because how competitive he is, to Jeff's point, he wanted to be so good at that that he locked in. He was so good at basketball, I can come back and do it again.

Them niggas can't fuck with me. I think he did, but I think he quickly realized, I'm not as good at this thing as this. Let me pick this ball back up. Yeah, I mean, after a while, he probably was like, yeah. You kind of weak at basketball. You look like me at Michigan State football, MJ. I got a question for that, too. What kind of Antipa Kubo highlights are you at Michigan State football, MJ. I got a question for that, too.

What are the honest Antipa Kubo highlights of you at Michigan State? The football game? Crazy. I swear to God. How they clipped you up on YouTube? And they killed me. It was crazy. With the music?

The music made it work. The soundtrack made it work. They do the Detroit music. That's great. We're going to keep talking about the MJ stuff, but when we get to that, I got a great question for you. No, dude, the Detroit music be high. That's great. We're going to keep talking about the MJ stuff, but when we get to that, I got a great question for you. No, go ahead.

We're here. No, because you know how Austin Rivers said 30 people could play football or basketball players could play football. Like, you tried it in college. I did not.

Do you think like 30 NBA players could play football? They lied to y'all. I really didn't try to play football. What was you doing? What happened was

This is the real exclusive by the way. I really didn't try to play football. What was you doing? What happened was. This is really crazy. I just talked about this on Brandon Davis' podcast, by the way. He did it. So what happened was. Y'all football team weak at wake, so I don't know if this happened. No, we're not weak, bro. We're not weak. No, no, no, no, no.

Y'all better tap in, bro. We're in the top 25. We're not weak. We're not weak. No, no, no, no, no. Y'all better tap in, bro. We was top 25. We not weak. We not weak. And when I was there, we was top 10. No, fuck that. Tell your story. So, y'all, so when you were there, did y'all team go to bowl game?

Yeah, we went to the orange bowl. We went to the orange bowl. We went to the orange bowl. Y'all went to the orange bowl? We went to the orange bowl. We had a top five pick. We had Aaron Curry. He was top five pick.

Who? Aaron Curry. Who? He five pick. Aaron Curry. Who? He went to Oakland, matter of fact. He was top five pick with the linebackers. J-Modem motherfucker. Hey, don't do AC like that. J-Modem motherfucker. He retired after four years.

So this is what happened. Over Christmas break, you know, nobody's on campus. We still have games. And the team come and like get announced at the game at halftime or at a timeout to announce their bowl game before they take off for the bowl game so they came over to announce their bowl game during the game and i said to coach d at the time coach d'antonio was the coach i said coach d i want to play in the spring game and in my mind i'm just like i just want to play because i know this is my last opportunity ever in life to play football yeah like so i just want to go out there and play a

couple plays he's like all right cool this is december so fast forward to march or april whenever the spring game was i the it was on thursday on monday i went to his office like coach d you told me i could play in the spring game he's like all right cool come out to practice tomorrow we got practice tuesday wednesday off the game on thursday perfect i was at practice they gave me the weakest shoulders shoulder pads ever i thought nothing of it because i was just excited to go play so they got me out there looking like an offensive lineman no problem when i look back on it it was all a setup shoulder pads was pads was fucked up. I didn't have good cleats. Like they had me out there looking back. It was all a setup. It was crazy.

All a setup. So I played a trade. Before the BC. Is he double-deck player? It was crazy. That nigga was real like Joker out there

with the pants on. And we made it bad. They clipped you up against Drake in Kentucky doing the warm-up, but they had to burst you. That's crazy. That's crazy.

By the way, I'm going to tell you, when I get to this end of the story, you're going to know why me and Drake not the same. Because Drake just sucked at basketball. I did something in football in that game that was special. I'm going to get there So But here's So Start with the pads

I ain't think nothing of it I look back on it And I'm like You fucking idiot But Anyway I go out to practice And they showing me all this stuff

Like man If somebody pressed up on you You swipe like this And go through You come here Swipe down Go You

And so I'm like Okay okay, cool, cool. Like they're showing me all this stuff. Then they're like, yo, if the linebacker is six yards off the line of scrimmage, then you need to run a seven and out. But seven yards and out. But if he's five yards off, you need to go six. And then I'm like, yo, so y'all want me to be counting these little dots on this line, these little lines on this field?

Count how many yards he is by the way what if i misjudge a little and so number one i realized right away a why so many freshmen red shirt in football the learning curve is insane and b i gained a lot of appreciation for quarterbacks, and I understand why sometimes the quarterback throw the ball way over there and be looking at the receiver that's over there like, yo, what the fuck you doing? One of y'all miscounted something. So we go on. We go to practice.

They show me all the stuff. Boom, practice in. Thursday, I come for the game. Boom, they tell me, you're going to run this play. You're going to line up at tight end. This is your route. Boom, we get to the huddle. Quarterback says, you're going to run this play. You're going to line up at tight end. This is your route. Boom. We get to the huddle. Quarterback

says, we're going on set hit. We're going on set hit. I got my route. I'm excited as hell. I'm ready to go. Get in my three-point stance. I ain't looking at the ball. I'm excited as shit. I'm about to go catch a pass. I forgot all fundamentals. I look at the ball and it's snap. No, none of that.

So I'm looking ahead, and I got this big-ass defensive D-end lined up over me. So I'm like, I just got to get by him, and then I'll go catch his pass. The entire offensive line and the entire defensive line yells, hit, hit. I take off. Ball start. Boy, off pasta like radio now mind you a lineman aren't even allowed to talk it's a penalty B how the hell does the defensive line know we going on here to It's a setup.

They're like, all right. Again, I don't notice it in the moment. I'm like, man. They set up. So they're like, all right, you're going to line up at receiver this next play. And at the time, we got this cornerback. His name is Johnny Adams. Buck 80, buck 85, soaking wet.

5'11", animal, All-American. So, number one, why are y'all putting y'all best corners up on me? That's a great wide receiver lined up on the other side. Why is he over here on me? That's a setup. Nonetheless, if this is the line of scrimmage, bro, right here. So, I'm thinking to myself, like, why is he so close to this line? I don't know.

I'm about to go catch this pass. I'm excited. Remember, they taught me all the things. I don't know. Hit. I take off. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Hand me up.

Crazy. I'm like, oh, this is why he was so close to the line. So now what they don't tell you, see where they cut the video off at is, he held me for 10 yards. So I picked up a first down in a college football game. But they don't tell you that. Not a hell of a lot of it, though. It's a setup.

So I never really, I never tried to play football in college. I just wanted, I knew that was my last opportunity in life to do it. And so I went out there for two plays. But they got people thinking like, oh man, he was trying to play and he sucked. Like, nah. To Austin Rivers' point, which I understood what he was saying.

I did too. Like, he's right. I don't think I am not of the assumption that you can just take 30 players right now from the NBA and say, all right, tomorrow you're in the NFL game. I don't think that. What I do think is there are 30 players that you can find in the NBA that if you taught them a football skill set, that they can.

There are not 30 players in the NFL that you can find and teach them a basketball skill set and they can come into the NBA. And you know how I know that? Because all of the skill positions are basketball players that fell and wasn't good enough. And then they went over there and played football because they could go do that. You could go run out because you're athletic and catch a pass and get open and do these things. And so I got the utmost respect for football players and their sport. But I do get what Austin Rivers was saying. I do, too.

And you cannot take 30 players from the NFL and make them NBA players. That's a lot. Because all them niggas hoop like they been to the pen before. They all hoop like they got dreads. Everybody hoop just too strong, too tough. I've never seen an NFL player just just like ray allen my man that went to michigan state for a second though he can hoop though uh there's a lot of people that can receive for sure but i mean i ain't saying he was league oh boy no I take that back what's my boy he was raw in high school

for the Bengals the receiver T Higgins T Higgins no I see him in person no but he could really hoop though NBA is crazy

not NBA y'all y'all way too good it's a different skill but for y'all to go out there and take a hit like how they had you nah I'm cool

you were a proficient Hall of Fame NBA player how they had you looking I say yeah shit's crazy You are a proficient Hall of Fame NBA player. How they had you looking? I said, yeah, shit's crazy. When they put you in the version in the sidebar side with Drake and Le'Veon Blount,

I said, all right, this is where we got y'all out. They can't do Drake like that, bro. Yeah, it's crazy. So the gospel music. Drake airballed it in warm-ups. At least I picked up a first night. Yeah, nah.

You athletic. Drake crazy. Speaking about Drake, though, you in a Cali. You listen to music. Drake, you cool with Drake, though, you and Akali, you listen to music. Drake, you're cool with Drake, I'm sure. Yeah. What you think about Kendrick and Drake?

Listen, I'm a music fan. For sure. I enjoy watching them brothers spar. Yeah, for sure. Go back and forth. I think what Kendrick did was diabolical. I think Kendrick was way more strategic. It was kind of like one person in Kendrick was like, oh oh i'm about to destroy you and one guy was like oh this is fun yeah like you can't fuck you know like this is fun yeah and by the time he realized

it wasn't just fun it was too late yeah and kendrick as a lyricist, it's crazy. Bar none. Like, I mean, out of this world. Yeah. And so what I think is, A, on top of Kendrick being the lyricist that he is, he was way more strategic. Right. Like, the way he was dropping the songs like, oh you just dropped one. He never,

he was so strategic that Drake actually dropped great records. He never gave you a chance to even listen to it. Because family matters as far. It's insane. But in 10 minutes it was just like, never mind, meet the Grams. It was like, oh, I forgot this happened. And then after Meet the Grams The next day He come with They Not Like Us And so He was way more strategic On top of him being The great lyricist

That he is And listen They Not Like Us Is Is Is actually Probably gonna be bigger But it's the new

California love Yeah And it's crazy in 20 years you turn that song on and people will still be bopping i was at a wedding last week and dj played it once just to see where the crowd was right and he's like oh so then his next song was like oh i'm gonna turn them up then he went back to they not like us maybe an hour later and played it four times in a row and on the fourth time people was dancing like it was the second time they ever heard the song meaning the first time you heard it you like oh man this is

fire the second time you like i'm turn people was turned on the fourth time in a row that they played it which was the fifth time all night like it was the second time they heard the song and i was just like man by the way white people dancing to this black people dance to this purple green yellow it don't matter who you are it's it's cultures that don't even have a clue of what he's talking about yeah and like they're bopping to the song and so i just think me personally i think what the world need to see and what the world is waiting to see is like to see drake accept the song yeah and i think personally he needs to accept the song because the reality is you got to get past the things that he's saying right like he's saying some darn things however where you gotta where you gotta accept is you also saying some darn things about you. However, where you got to accept is you also said some darn things about him.

Right? So, it's all fair game because both of y'all was shooting at family, shooting at kids, shooting at wives. Niggas was out of pocket. Everybody was shooting everywhere. So, you kind of got to get past what he's saying. I think he needs to admit that it's a great record. Because what I think right now, as someone who's been through their fair share of blunders, what I think right now is, I think the record got a hold of Drake and the only way you can get away

from the record is to say no that's a great record and like man I'll dance to it too because like even you hear the beat that's what we just tried to tell him he said that ain't about to get played nowhere I didn't say it wasn't gonna his parties at his function hold on yeah so hold on I know you want to speak i know you you you itching like a motherfucker with chicken pox this is what i said the lyrics in the song 100 he murdered him i just don't i don't like the beat i think i'm okay to say that it just doesn't grab me like that. That beat is crazy. Over your head. Oh, my God. I'm not over your head.

I don't even really like light-skinned people. I barely like you. You family. You feel me? But I just really think the beat just don't. The Kendrick on Future with Metro on them is a better beat to me. Oh, that beat crazy. I like that.

Here's the thing, though. But They Not like us is a bigger record because of how it's been marketed bro how it's been marketed but also again when why i said kendrick is diabolical that is a west coast beat like i get it and so with it being a west coast beat like he made it he made it to where it's like, yo. You got to fuck with the West Coast. West Coast versus you. Like, not L.A., not Compton, but he made it West Coast. And that's why he definitely won to me, 100%. I'm just saying, me, I live in Indianapolis, Midwest, like you.

You were from my fucking second house. You feel me? That shit just doesn't when i hear what you said when i hear the uh the other record with metro and m it's more of that don't scare the hoes if i see a girl seawalking in my party at my party i got niggas built like you a security i'm asking asking her to leave. You know what I'm saying? That's not really my type of vibe. But I get it. It's a bigger record, bro.

Go crazy, Kendrick. You one of the GOATs to me. For sure. But you should ask him who else come to his parties, though. How they come. You should ask him. This is not appropriate for that. Mike is snapping like T-Pain over there.

We can move forward. I'll tell you after the show. I'll shoot you a text. I'm looking forward to it. What you got next for? Shot the portion. He family, bro. He family, bro.

You know how he pie. Before we get out of here, man, a lot of crazy moves happened. Obviously, we mentioned Klay, you know what I'm saying, going to the Mavs. Sixers fucking got a BBL with this whole fucking roster. What's some teams you feel like really went crazy this offseason so far?

I think the Sixers has done a good job. I think, you know, with the players they added, PG, Caleb Martin, Drummond. Yeah. I think they had a really good offseason. They had a bunch of cap space, and they capitalized on it. I still don't think they're going to beat the Celtics, win a championship. I still don't think that. And then also, locking in your superstar point guard for the long haul.

The Sixers had a really big summer. I think Dallas adding Klay is going to be huge because I also think Klay is going to have a great year. Yeah, and I hope he does too. That's one of my favorites. I hope he does too. So I think that's big. I think the Knicks getting Mike Hill Bridges is a great pickup. I don't think it puts them over the hump because I still think in order to get over the hump,

you got to have one of them guy guys like Steph Curry, LeBron James, Joker, Jason Tatum. That's a different level of guy. Yeah, for sure. And I think in order to get over the hump, you have to have those types of guys. I think the Knicks, what they've done is they're going to be so hard to beat in the regular season, but then it's going to get to a point to where you need one of them guy guys.

Who's going to score. And where I will say I respect Jalen Brunson for taking the 154 is you're going to allow that team to be in the running to go get one of them guys. And if they can, then you got action. But right now, I don't think they're a championship team. Do you think the real J.R. can be one of them guys? J.R. Smith? Julius Randle.

There you go, guy. I think Julius Randle is a good player. I think Julius Randle is an all-star. But Julius Randle ain't Joker, Steph, LeBron. No, no, I ain't saying that. I'm just saying, do you think, like, them two combined can be a joker or a step? With the supporting cast.

I think them two combined is going to make them a very good team, but I still think, as you know, Giannis. You see the competitive edge of him. That's his position. He like, yeah. Straight up. I think it makes them a very good team. I love that.

You know, like, you won a championship. Who was the g guy on that team and so like julius is damn good nba for sure jalen brunson is a damn good nba player but i still don't think they want to one of those guys and and unfortunately in this league two doesn't equal one you're right damn that's real i just don't think it does i think both of them are going to have great years in their own right i think both of them will probably be all-stars but when it comes down to it in the playoffs and they take everything away from you yeah you just got to know how to go get a bucket no matter who's guarding you, and there's only really like four to five guys in this league

that can do that thing. That's real. How do you feel about the additions y'all have with Buddy Hill? I think they are good additions for us. I think, you know, Buddy bringing shooting. For sure. The Anthony Melvin bringing some shooting, some defense, defender.

I think that's good. And my, my, my love for slow-mo as a player has been well documented. I think he, I think when a team,

when you got him on a team, you just plug and play. Like, it's like, now you got two of you. Like,

it's crazy. I was like, they know they and he was playing five in the postseason yeah crazy and very well very efficient and it just makes perfect sense for y'all team i'm like he's literally plug and play by the way if you need him to place him back up point guess what he can do he can do sir he can play back up point but by the way if you need bro go play the floor go Go ahead. All right, bro, we need you. That's a five. He's losing five. Go ahead.

He a plug and play type of guy. So I think I like the additions we made. I'm not going to get ahead of myself and be like, oh, we're a championship team. In 2022, it all came together for us, and I thought we were losing the first round, and it all came together for us. So thought we were losing the first round and it all came together for us. I would never count us out. But I also don't think many of these teams outside of the Boston Celtics are championship teams either. I think y'all gonna have a really, really good season. I look at y'all as an underrated

team. I know everybody counts y'all. Clay, all the dynasties. But for some reason, the way y'all built it, I'm like, man, they got a lot of guys that's like jail guys. Like, Buddy Hill can make shots. Like you said, Kyle's a great player. He can play, plug and play. And then I think y'all young guys, like Trace, I think he's developing. And I think his role playing with CP last year

put him on a faster track. And same thing, I never can say his name right. Brett Presente? I never can. I was going to call him BP. No, Bobby Porter. track and same thing uh i never can say his name right represents he i never can i was gonna call him bp but uh nobody reporters i think he's gonna be i think he got like a dante divincenzo type of way he can be damn that's a good comparison yeah like even though they both got red hair it wasn't even that but it's just like they remind me that because he can guard he can make a shot

and it's like i think y'all got the buildings of a real good, like, gelling team. I think so, too. I think a lot of people forget we still got Wiggs on this team. Wiggs had a tough year last year. Yeah, both a lot. Which we all have,

but you going through the stuff that he was going through. Yeah, it's tough. I'm not sure I'd be playing. Yeah. You know, but no one, and it ain't nobody business what he's going through, but, you know but no one and it ain't nobody business what he's going through but

you know tough dude for continuing to go through that season and so I think we'll get Wiggs from 2022 back this year and then also who I'm more excited about than even my game is Jonathan I think he's about

to take that next step, put himself on the cusp of being an all-star. Whether you get the nod is if you're winning or not. So if we win it, maybe he does get the nod. But I think he's on the cusp. And so with that being said, like I said, I think we got a good mix of vets and experienced and young guys. And that could come together and by the way

we got steph curry we could win a championship at any time because he's that good yeah but it's not a championship team on paper and it's not a championship team starting the season but it is a team that can grow into being a championship contender. And that's all you can ask for is to be a contender. If you're a contender, you need one rolled ankle. You need, you know, anything happen. My fucking sprain of finger and can't dribble is good no more. Like, that's the luck that you need. Shout out to the Pacers.

Mike Dunley just done a good job. My fucking is down there dying for them. Yeah, the Pacers, they were down there making it to the finals. I thought, oh, you my dog, man. But when I seen that we're a good regular season team, broke focused on them. They're dying for them. Yeah, the Pacers, they're down there. Made it to the finals. I thought, oh. That's literally right. You my dog, man. But when I seen that we're a good regular season team, broke my heart, man. Broke my heart.

But I'm happy we got to the Eastern Conference finals, man. But you believe me? No. I'm a delusional fan. Oh. I'm one of those. At least you're honest. Oh, yeah, for sure.

I'm 100 about it. You're like the delusional girlfriend. Whoa, whoa. Don't even go that far. Check this. Check this. If y'all losing the first round,

you owe me Black Forces. You owe you the mini, right? Hold on, nigga. You can never call it. I ain't no bet. Well, rewind. And wait a minute.

And you can't wear no-shows with my shoes either. You got to get you some middies. Them no-shoes, you definitely steal with your no-shows. You got...

That's screaming Saginaw shoplifter. You got to get you some of these. Saginaw shoplifter. That's how you know he really part of the pie. That's how we start roasting each other. This is what you owe me. Y'all can make y'all a little bet.

This is what you owe me. If y'all just say, Iall a little bit this is what you owe me if y'all just say i don't know halfway through the season you see it's like damn we ain't making the playoffs i need you to really warm up and play in a pair of black forces and white license whatever bet you want to make whatever if y'all make the playoffs because i know y'all talked about y'all gonna be a good team t know y'all talked about y'all going to be a good team. T, y'all talking about y'all little giants run potentially. I'm nothing.

Did y'all make the playoffs this year? Little giants? Y'all going to run it back. Whatever y'all did last year, y'all going to do this year. If y'all make the playoffs, I owe you whatever. Make the playoffs, by the way, just so you whatever. Make the playoffs, by the way. Just so you know. Because the West is deep, bro.

Thicker than Big Booty Judy out there. If y'all don't make the playoffs, Black Forces, last game of the season, Steve Kerr puts a stick in the game. I'm going to tell you right now, Adam Silver, go see Dre, and then Black Forces is sick. Get them out of your arena now. Get this man out of the fucking building.

I'm going to share a little tidbit with you though. After winning four championships and making the playoffs and losing in the first round, I'd rather not. Or second round. You'd rather not what? I'd rather go home and enjoy my summer. Or second round. You'd rather not what? I'd rather go home and enjoy my summer.

Okay. Respect. Than going to the first, second round and not having a real chance. You solidified though.

Maybe the guys want to go to the playoffs. You're young guys. No, I mean, we're going to do all we can to win a championship. But by the way,

at no point are they going to hear like, yo fellas, we got to make the playoffs. Like, don't waste my time. Don't waste my time. We trying to win the championship. That's the talk.

But making the playoffs, that's some Indiana Pacers talk. Drew, that's tough. No, it is. That's tough. It is. Am I lying? No, you got that. You ain't got to argue with me here, brother.

That's the man. Talk to the thing at the Sixers, the Dr. J. Shorts. We haven't won a playoff series since my son was born. My son a man. Talk to the D.J. The six is the Dr. J. Shorts. Hey, I ain't going to hold you. We haven't won a playoff series since my son was born. My son was nine. I was very excited this year. We been going through some shit. Did y'all go to a game?

I did. I did. That's lit. For sure. Had the support. He worked for him. That's crazy. Allegedly.

It was a good time, huh? Of course. You know what I'm saying? Good energy? Of course. Good energy is crazy. Great point guard. Guess what?

He about to lead Team USA. Guess what? What's up, man? You know what's crazy? What guard Guess what He about to lead Team USA Guess what What's up man You know what's crazy What's happening I had a month Extra summer To do the same thing

They did Also real shit Dre I don't mean to cut you off Are y'all better Than the Pacers Are we better Yeah We got Steph Curry

100% That's a fact 100% Because he think They better than the Knicks Who else he say Jeff They Milwaukee He said they better than the Knicks Who else he say Jeff Milwaukee

He said they better than Milwaukee I said last year We beat all they asses That's all I didn't say we was better But we beat We beat Milwaukee five times last year I don't want to hear nothing from Milwaukee

Dre and them would have beat y'all ass bro We beat y'all five times What we talking about We actually did beat y'all pretty bad Yes bro We had an off night It's okay Had an off night

No I'm going to tell you what happened Want me to tell you an off night. No, I'm going to tell you what happened. You want me to tell you what happened? Storytime with Draymond. Storytime with Draymond. My favorite part of the show. What happened was, if you go back to 2000 and this was the 23-24 season, so the 2022-23 season, which would be Nimhar's rookie year, right? Yes, sir.

All right. Nimhar, if you go back and watch the game when we played the Pacers in the Bay, I remember, Halliburton was out. And I'm almost positive he was out. He could have not been out. That's irrelevant. Nim Har gave

us hell. You hear me? Complete hell. And he was talking so crazy. And Steph was guarding him. And the shots he was hitting steph would just turn and look like yo what like and so he was talking so crazy so in turn what you then did was every time that guy see you now he like he could be sleepy on a back-to-back-to-back-to-back. When he see you, he at you now. Yes. And so what happened was Steph came out at like 24 in the first quarter.

I remember. And so I said all of that to say, blame them hard. But y'all are going to have a hard time with us. Yeah. Because Steph got an issue. Warriors in four versus time with us because Steph got an issue Warriors in four versus the Pacers Steph got an issue he got a big issue

and I don't really know if there's any way to fix the issue except for him to stop playing basketball because every time he see them hard

by the way I love them hard game man I think I told y'all I like guys who get it out the mud and he like he got some shit to him he feisty to the motherfucker I love Nimhar's game, man. I think I told you I like guys who get it out the mud.

And he like, he got some shit to him. He feisty as a motherfucker. Yeah. But every time he sees Steph Curry, he better buckle up. And I'm going to one-up you on that conversation. I don't know if you watched the game, but did you see the scrimmage? The USA? Yeah, Canada.

Did you see when Steph started cooking? Yeah. Yeah, look who was gardening. Yeah, I'm telling you. Every time he see him, every time, it's just like a light bulb going to go off. And so that's going to make it tough for y'all because when Steph go off, we don't like – difference between these dudes who be scoring like 60 and 70, they be losing. When Steph and Klay got 60 and 70, we only played three quarters.

Damn, that's a fact. So when Steph go off, it's over. It's a wrap. Yeah. And so y'all going to have a tough time with us. Okay, y'all going to get this in the bank. Y'all got to pull up on the bridge, though. We don't lose on the bridge.

Y'all did this year. Yeah, they beat y'all ass this year. It's on camera. We're going to back the back forces up. We're going to bet it up. Listen, we got to get up out of here, Dre. Appreciate you sliding on this big dog. You know your family welcome any given time. Be here. Send, we got to get up out of here, Dre. Appreciate you sliding on this big dog. You know, you're welcome any given time.

Be here. Send the people they can grab some merch at, though. ShopClub520.com, baby. Yes, sir. Shout out to the big cubs for sliding on this, man. Yes, sir. Shout out to Resort World, Las Vegas, Nevada showing us hella love, opening up their arms for us to do this creative content for y'all. We appreciate the love. We'll be back next time.

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