Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Jeff Teague & Taj Gibson on Jimmy Butler-Timberwolves breakup, New York Knicks
Episode Date: June 17, 2024We’re back with Season 2, Episode 76 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague is joined by Taj Gibson to discuss playing college basketball at USC, the collapse of the Jimmy Butler Minnesota Timberwolves, play...ing for the New York Knicks, and much more! #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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special guests to my left introduce my man's last to my far left my dog bishop be here out the pearlies
how you what nasty cool and nasty let's get to it baby i know we out of town but you know i'm saying
you're gonna catch that fine you know the working uniform uh it's cool it's late night fuck it the
ties i don't know if you're too familiar with his foot game but norman he got the black forces with
the white laces on i know you know i'm? You've been around fly guy. Have you ever seen the black forces
with the white laces before?
California, yeah, a few times.
You just knew it was a different kind of dude.
You just knew, like, oh, man.
Well, be careful.
Of course.
Lock your doors.
Nah, man, you can't do that.
What size you, 16?
15.
15, 15. We'll get you a 14. Ain't running a. What size are you, 16? 15. 15, 15.
We'll get you a 14.
Ain't running a shelf size bigger.
I got you.
Say less.
Introduce that nigga though.
Yeah, get to me, man.
Yo.
My right, bro.
That's crazy.
My dog, young Nacho, young T.
How you doing?
I'm chilling, bro.
Glad to go.
Got my guy in the building, Taj.
Hey, it's lit, man.
But it's cool to be in Orlando.
Get to see some of the guys.
Man, we having an experience out here, so it's cool.
For sure, man.
We out here in Orlando doing a little bit of Lord's work.
Got a special guest on our left.
Tenure vet.
One of the coolest dudes to ever play in the NBA.
Been around a long time.
Great scenes, great stories, and everybody speaks nothing but high.
Respect to this man.
We got Tyus Gibson in the building. Tyus, appreciate you pulling up on this big dog. Yo, fellas. It's a pleasure, man. scenes great stories and everybody speaks nothing but high respect to this man we got ty's gibson
in the building ties appreciate you pulling up on this big dog yo fellas this is it's a pleasure man
we're watching a lot of episodes i'm just waiting to see what y'all gonna say today man who the most
up person on the show watch it bro you have me a little bit someday. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Is he like that? Come on, Tosh.
But being around the Midwest, y'all some of the most coolest guys.
Yeah, for sure.
You got to understand the temperament.
I've been around a long time, so I laugh with it.
I can take a joke, bro.
So I ain't going to make you pick.
It's cool.
He made a decision.
It was you.
The decision was made. He's well prepared, right? he did for sure man listen man y'all got a crazy order story man
i know we ask about you on your preps going obviously you know i'm saying you went crazy
in high school i want to fast for a little bit and i think we know we on the road we
get your posture together get your posture
that motherfucker
got some sprinters on today
I'm gonna take it out
this motherfucker is locked in
shout out to the sweet
once upon a time you was making a college decision
that's when y'all first crossed paths man
yeah Tim Floyd was
recruiting me at USC and Todd was already
there and OJ Mayo me and him was the same year.
Taj was there.
I went to campus, and they like, yeah, everybody get a truck.
Taj had the big boy expedition.
I'm like, yo, they getting money.
My pops like, you're not going there.
They do not do things by the book.
I was like, yeah, I need to be there.
Taj had it already. I was like, yeah, I need to be there. Taj had it already.
I was like, oh, he's shining.
The whole time I'm thinking
they cheap. I'm like, man, Wake Forest
got it.
Wake Forest had no money.
Wake Forest had no money.
We got some money,
but it wasn't USC money.
No, Wake Forest wouldn't fuck with that NIL back then.
Nah, I mean, eventually.
We was taken care of.
Expeditions was fire back then.
Yeah.
You went to 06, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, that was elite.
Nah, it was shining.
You was living different.
Nah, it was shining.
I got to ask y'all, around that time period, what was them cars that was like,
obviously, we was all the time, we was wishing we could get them.
What was that car you was like, I got to have that? Or what was them cars that was like was obviously we got a time we was wishing we could get them with what was that car he was like i got a hat or it was outside that was crazy because like back then the leaky navigator was like the code of shit after me now i wanted um bubble caprice
we had some new white shit i wanted bubble caprice i wanted the the h was the h2 the
legendary vehicle i had that i had h2 and i had a black one i had a h3 hummer real
one eat gas yeah it do and the hoop sessions was legit in that motherfuckers that backseat
laid down in that house you gonna get some work done oh yeah you gonna get some real work done
study all by room bro by room hey taj i Taj. Imagine this nigga sliding on you with the black forces with the white laces and a Hummer.
You don't know what type of time he on.
Taj.
I know.
I know for one.
He down for whatever.
For sure.
He still good time.
He down for whatever in them spaces.
Shout out to whatever your situation is now.
I'm saying back there, the 06, when niggas was young, you could have borrowed it, bro.
Facts. We could have borrowed it, bro. Facts,
boo.
We could have
swapped it out.
Some post.
Some roll with it,
bro.
That's crazy.
That work is nasty.
Nasty work,
bro.
Nasty work,
bro.
Oh,
okay.
He charged the homies
so I could take
the Eddie Bowie.
How did you don't send him for a little little bit while Todd's got this shit going?
That is crazy.
I love when we part out of town.
Todd, man, how'd you get to USC, man?
Shit, man.
Man, I was waiting around a long time.
I didn't know if I was going to even make it to college, to be honest with you.
I was thinking I was going to go the JC route,
if not that damn pop,
I was just gonna go straight to construction,
just try to just get a hustle,
maybe do what I gotta do and make ends meet.
But that's how most black men kind of figure it out.
When I was coming up, I was just like, damn,
like LA's a little different.
My friend's getting kicked out of the house,
left and right, a lot of single families. It was a little different my friends getting kicked out of the house left and right
a lot of single families it was it was a little scary but i didn't but by the grace of god that
last day i got i just so happened to get qualified i did not think i was passing that sat i did not
think i was getting those grades i was like yeah it's up when i I got in that door, man, God just worked with you in so many different places,
and faith was strong, man, to be honest with you.
Salute.
And it's like, especially, obviously, we're telling our age with this,
but to hear that time period,
how many times have people had to wait for those type of tests,
when it's just like a lot of them tests ain't even built for us
to even pass or be successful in,
like not trying to be on our walk shit, but that stuff wasn't designed for us to better ourselves so it's just like for you to
have to wait to that last decision yeah that shit is crazy that's tough i'm glad it worked out for
you but like to get on a lighter side like coming out of high school how much money you think you
would have got off the nil even though they paid you a usc but don't worry about that if you would have been coming out
right now
low ball number
at least 500
facts
at least 500
facts
because we came up
in a time where
dudes was really
official
yeah
like
when you look at it
now it's a little bit
watered down
and
we kind of
contributed to that
but coming up even looking
back on some of the highlights i'm looking i missed the long shorts i mean it's just this
the small stuff about it like that's what i love about our um draft class like even though we
we all doing our own things but we all love like we always made sure we showed each other love and
that's a fact but that's hard bro i damn near got everybody
jersey in our draft class besides uh ricky rubio coincidence nah i asked him that just ain't never
get shout out to ricky get it to you bro give us some he forgave you by now i'll take a Barcelona jersey. For sure, bro. That's right, bro.
Show love, Ricky.
Show love.
Yeah, man.
The NIL shit is so crazy because, like, working with some of the top prospects going on now,
like, they in high school seeing tickets before they even get to college.
Yeah.
And, like, it's so hard to keep them reeled in.
But at the same time, it's just like, I'm making generational money at 16.
What you really going to tell me? And now they get so much money off the social media sites. them reeled in but at the same time it's just like i'm making generational money at 16 what
you really gonna tell me and now they get so much money off the social media sites it's a totally
different ball game now i think a lot of that camaraderie is lost because everything is
legitimately a business now yeah that's true yeah how do you combat that like as far as like keeping
them like obviously you're talking to the young kids like i'm already at this level but how do
you keep them grounded obviously with you coaching with the kids like how do y'all keep them somewhat focused when it's so easy to get lost with this
uh me i just try to it's so tough because i've never been in that position to make money
in high school so i don't even know how to navigate it for him but i can speak from like
the nba experience like try to do this try to do that like as far as like saving and stuff but
like to get money at 17 18 i don't i can't
help you because i don't know what i would have did at 16 with five hundred thousand dollars i
know what i did working at my year with five hundred dollars yeah and that shit was gone
them jordan's enforcers was every weekend so i can't even imagine what they're doing how they
feel hell yeah my opinion you
gotta think about you gotta look at the parents too you gotta look at you gotta zoom in on how
the household is like half these kids not even checking that account moms and dad or either just
moms got that account he may be doing his little thing but the parents mostly getting all the money
then you got a crew he got he got his uncle uncle cousins a few guys so he already
getting trained to be in that mindset of taking care of family already at 17 before you know it
he'd be 22 23 popped broke trying to play overseas trying to do what he got to do and nobody's
teaching him nothing because once the money's gone they don't tell you that everybody falls back
your homie could fall back off you're just telling you telling them no i i can't i got it right now but he don't know
you really messed up like that yeah the money go really quick fellas and i'm on a back in the back
a little bit not right now and i'm just looking like man like i got i'm preparing for the next
level and i'm seeing a lot of guys really not not there like they really still trying to get back
into the league wondering why i don't want to be that kind of guy begging like yo pick me pick me
yo please why didn't why can i not just take it and keep it pushing this game is twisted for real
yeah that's not that's real and even i mean we ain't gonna fast for too much but being a breadwinner
your house if you get drafted at 21, 22, like you said, to be
there at 17, 18,
that's an absurd amount of pressure.
Because they don't even know how taxes work yet.
Nah, that's tough.
I mean, you're gonna run through the majority of it,
but shit, hopefully when they go
to these universities, give them some type of
financial literacy class or something.
At least, bro. Yeah.
Just give them somebody gotta have a course, bro.
That's why I'm excited about what the NBAPA is doing with this,
the top 100 camp.
Yeah.
They got classes.
They're going to learn about that.
But being around guys like Taj, who's been in the league for 15 plus years,
it's like they can give you that advice.
Like him just saying that and somebody watching it going to be like, yeah,
that's valuable.
You know what I mean?
For sure.
For sure.
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Y'all had a whip, you know what I'm saying?
You was in there with who would have been probably one of the biggest NIL stars of all time, the homie Juice.
That's my man.
Shout out to Juice, big fan of the pod.
Hey, man.
Y'all, you almost went there, but y'all had something special, man.
Yeah, man.
Shit. We had Jeff, man. Yeah, man. Shit.
We had Jeff, man.
Forget about it.
But it worked out how it worked out.
Juice, when he came, like, people don't understand how good he was.
And I didn't understand, like, money until Juice really got there.
Like, I didn't understand, like, the real perception behind money,
how to be a pro. He's a freshman, and I'm really figuring there. Like, I didn't understand, like, the real perception behind money, how to be a pro.
He's a freshman, and I'm really figuring out, like,
this is the NBA lifestyle.
Like, this is how you're supposed to carry it.
Like, and I'm not ashamed to say that because I'm always going to give guys
this flower.
Like, I learned a lot from Juice.
And a lot of dudes got to learn a lot.
Juice was giving out bread and making sure dudes could eat.
And people ain't going to ever tell you that about Juice.
They're going to say, he came, he was nice, he got the bread,
he took some bread and left.
No, Juice got that bread, and Juice was making sure
every man on the team had money.
If he went somewhere, we was with him.
So, like, you got to look at the whole spectrum of this game.
You got to take what you can, take your family with you,
constantly smile
because you suck as a boy.
I think he's trying
to pull you down
every minute of the game.
That's a fact.
Nah,
we sure love the juice
for real.
So it's good to hear
you say that
because it'd be a lot
of smut being put
on this night for sure.
That's dope though
but you had a chance
to play with DeMar too.
Mm-hmm.
So like to have
like two like
premier shooting guards or guards on your have, like, two, like, premier shooting guards,
guards on your team,
like, what was that like,
like, having OJ
the next year?
DeMar come in,
it's like...
The crazy thing about it,
I came into the situation,
it was Nick Young.
And I'm like...
Swaggy P.
That's three.
People don't understand,
like, Swaggy,
we had multiple scouts
in the gym.
That's when I knew, like,
all right, if I got, if I want to really work hard, get to the league, let
me just try to just be next to him.
And I wasn't one of those guys.
I'm one of those teammates like I'm if if I don't know some I'm gonna ask you that I've
never been that kind of guy.
He's like, I don't mess with him.
I just try to show as much love like him because you only got 24 hours in the day man dropping
like flies but first
thing i had nick nick was the first one to go lottery oj came in i'm like damn we're coming
in here so now step your shit up you're gonna have a chance to go to the league oj come in he
leave i'm like i third year i'm like i'm ready to go man like it's not it's not that many girls left on campus
you know everybody is like the money is the money is not the same you're looking around
your counterparts like i ain't feeling this you look at your head coach like he's still
making three four million dollars a year you starving so i gotta get out of here then tomorrow
come but that's my brother though it's rest rest of the piece, the pops. Yeah.
His pops did a lot for me.
When I first moved to California, I didn't know nobody.
His dad, one of the first OGs to say, if you ever need anything, call my phone.
If you ever feel homesick, we here.
You come to Compton, you good.
You know what I'm saying? And I always remember to this day.
And then the year that he passed a few years ago it kind of it kind of rocked me to my core but it shows me like
you never know who's going to give you that words of inspiration you know what i'm saying
you never know who's going to like really look out for you because this man's so confident like
yeah i'm from brooklyn i didn't know nobody i nobody. I'm mismatching. I'm getting banged on, gang banged on.
Yo, where you from?
Poe.
Poe.
Poe.
I'm right there.
Hold on a second.
I'm going to tell you a hard-fought story.
Poe.
Poe.
Poe.
We don't let you go out like that, Nasty.
Nah, I can't go out like that.
That's just my category.
That's all my personal business, man.
You know what I'm saying?
Nah, that's good that he pulled you in the shot.
I said pull him, though.
Yeah.
We fucking with you, bro.
I get young kids back home.
I'm like, you know, them young kids.
But it's tough, man.
Like, I don't know how I'm here, bro.
Be honest.
Hard work, bro.
Yeah.
For a green.
Can't tell you.
People say they've been in the league 15 years bro for real
like each day i wake up and i still get that phone calls it's still like why me i'm still
saying that to myself yeah they like when i got the call early in the year i'm i'm on the
i'm really watching y'all like i'm chilling the couch i'm like i don't know like every player
goes through that yeah like at one point after you get cut that right before the season starts,
you like, I think I'm done.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
If you really work and you be like, I don't know.
Like, let me, let me, let me see.
And then you get that phone call.
I'm like, man, like, am I, am I doing something crazy?
Like, am I taking the spot that somebody needs?
You can't think like that because the motherfucker told me,
nobody going to give a fuck about your mom and dad.
Nobody going to give a fuck about your kids.
Nobody going to give a fuck about your cousins.
Do what you got to do.
Yep.
Hunter.
Yep.
Take that bread and run.
Smile.
Run.
I love it.
Run.
Get the bread and run. Run. Who else it. Run. Get the bread and run.
Run.
Who else has recruited you, though?
Most of USC.
Before USC, most of my schools, I wanted to stay on the West Coast.
By that time, I had a full hold on the West Coast.
It was UCLA, Arizona, Texas.
Teams I can run, UConn.
Teams on the East Coast was UConn, St. John st john's i had a few but my grades wasn't there
i had to really take my time and figure out like what team is really going to like help me like
sc was coming through making sure i had tutors making sure i had to get through what i had to
get through okay no salute taking care of the only way they're supposed to. Nah, thanks, bro. And I didn't even put
two and two together,
but you was at SC
when SC football was.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
It was a juggernaut.
So we all was, you know.
Hell of a time to be on campus.
They took care of us.
They took good care of us
at that school, man.
I tell you.
Shout out to SC, man.
I went to the right school for me,
but I ain't going to lie.
I wanted to go there, though.
I was like, that shit hard.
My dad was like, wait, no, no way.
I know that was hard passing up on UConn and Syracuse and St. John's.
It was tough because you look at UConn, they had Stanley Robinson, rest in peace.
Kirk Kelly was raw.
They just forget about him.
Yeah.
Hashim to beat. They just forget about him. Yeah. Hashim to beat.
They had a lot of bigs.
And then you got that grace period when you waiting for the signing
and you waiting to see who's going to come to your house early in the morning
on one of those days on the draft and doing that little recruiting process.
And you be like, oh, they don't really like me like that.
They didn't show up.
So, you see who's really like, I'm here.
I'm here for you yeah for sure
for sure obviously going through the draft process gotta ask how was that you know i'm
saying when your turn in usc and now you get your big turn in the league how was that and what was
that first thing you went crazy on i'm saying are you smart with your money but what was that first
like i'm here now i'm about to make that big boy purchase first thing draft process was crazy it was just like i'm already in la most
of the women go to my school that hang with all the nba players so i'm already really acometed
to like the process but that whole job process was so special because i got to see so many young men
who never really had money really come into having money and it was a beautiful time seeing terrence
williams so many different guys juices
so many different guys in that drag class James Harden's or everybody just starting to move and
be their own person before they was that person and you like you just seeing like all right we
starting to get to this bread now you see all right this is a big game now you see grown women
coming at you you see Cruz you see everybody just starting to form
and that's the process i wish i was a little bit more prepared for
because i blew a lot of bread just having too much fun like just just not knowing what to expect
buying change just trying to fit the image like you're trying to keep up the joneses and it was a
it was a great time back then it was a it was a great
time back then it was no it was no instagram too so i'm tired you was tricking huh you was tricking
hey man we was filthy
listen we was young I'm just saying.
I ain't never heard.
See?
Financial literacy.
Every night it was coming.
Ties were coming.
Ties got right.
Listen, I still remember our rookie pitchers, bro, in New York.
Damn.
That shit was, I was like, damn.
I still remember our shorts was big as shit.
That's crazy.
Still remember that day.
Yep.
I remember seeing them like, damn, we in the league.
Him and James, they had the Bulls jerseys and shit.
I was like, damn.
That's hard.
My jerseys was weak as shit.
Damn.
That Hawks jersey, it was blue.
It was weak.
They had the, you know know Jordan wore the Bulls
He like
You know
We from
Nat Midwest
I'm seeing them
In they Bulls jersey
I'm like
Damn that's hard
That's funny
I gotta ask both of y'all this
Both of y'all know
Something played for a couple teams
What was y'all favorite jerseys?
My favorite jersey team
Mine was the Timberwolves
We had some hard jerseys
That jersey was hard
The mom green ones Yeah The Prince joints was hard. Them lime green ones.
The Prince joints was hard.
The Prince joints was crazy.
The gray ones was tough.
I still got this.
It was between probably Chicago and I would say New York.
Oh, yeah, them iconic jerseys.
I just grew up watching those teams.
Pretty tough.
What about you?
Me? Shit. Probably I want some real shit. on those teams. It's, man, big time. What about you? Uh,
me?
Shit,
I,
probably,
I don't want some real shit
when he was with the Hawks.
I remember,
y'all seen my big bro,
Terrell.
He had that motherfucking
Hawks jacket.
Them jerseys,
that match,
I'm like,
yeah.
The bird.
Oh,
yeah,
the Mookie Blacklock joints?
Yeah,
them jerseys.
I see you got the
Flyers jersey on,
man. Oh, man, still to me, to this day, them or the Flyers jerseys. I see you got the Flyers.
Oh, man.
Still, to me, to this day, them or the Flyers jerseys,
it's still that penny jersey, the striped Orlando joints.
Them are still, like, and the Flojo.
I mean, from that, I got a hold of the Flojo Pacers jerseys. Crazy.
But that black pin striped Orlando jersey,
especially back in the day when niggas had the starved joints,
them was just different, bro.
My favorite jersey of all time is
the Lamar Odom.
Which one? The Clippers jersey. That's when he was
really Lamar Odom. The one off the court.
That's the one he liked.
The real hoop session.
You and Lamar
and the Hummer and the Black Forces?
Shout out to L.O. Shout out to the Buddy Branch, man.
We can run that two-man.
That's a hell of a big role.
That two man is nuts, bro.
No assist.
We gotta fast forward
a little bit, man. You talk about this season.
Man, it was crazy to see you
playing this year. You know what I'm saying?
You was at minutes. When you get
in the game, you get in the game.
How was that, man? For you saying you having
to like, I don't know if I'm going gonna do it this year to you playing 30 minutes that that blew my mind in a way because
when i got that phone call first of all i seen the player get hurt and i'm like i know it's i
know this fool ain't gonna call me i go to sleep i. I wake up. It's 2, it's 3 a.m.
They like, yo, you got no, yo, you in shape?
Tips.
But it's like a, yo, you in shape?
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in shape.
Can you be ready tomorrow?
Like, it's moving quick.
Like, oh, I'm like, all right, grace period.
Cool.
But you gonna, be gonna work you
in you good pause you're gonna come in just take your time and we're gonna just work you in and
get you in the swing of things with the team i'm like all right no problem makes you know i'm on
the court that's tibbs bro he don't care he like stay out there i'm just like yo but you got three
young fresh body guys ready to go keep your ass out there taj don't Yo But you got Three young Fresh body guys
Ready to go
Keep your ass out there
Taj
Don't fuck up your
One thing about Tibbs
I'm gonna tell you
One thing about Tibbs
He love Taj
He like me a lot
I was about to say
He look
He like me
I like you
Tibbs
Tibbs
Tibbs
Oh my god
I got a lot to say
But
But Poop
And Taj.
Bro, for the rest of their life,
Taj, they, Tibbs.
Taj Strait.
Oh, for sure.
For sure.
Like, Taj want to go work for New York.
He want to hoop.
Like, whatever.
Him and D-Rose.
Tibbs love me, too,
because I remember I told him,
Tibbs called me to go play for New York
when I chose Boston.
He was like
What are you doing?
I said
What are you doing?
We're going to be here
For five more years
We're going to be
In this system
Hey work this
Work this system
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
When I see him
I say
What the fuck was I doing?
I got my nigga
Pond of the year
Hold on
Hold on
Hold on
I should have went to New York I had a cup of coffee in boston i had a cup bro
he said what are you doing you know we gonna be here i was like you right
damn and a lot of people understand in minnesota our first year like people people underestimate
jeff really was going through a lot of injury. I'm trying to tell you, he could never really
fully just rest. That's how much
we needed him.
A lot of stuff contributed. I'm telling you,
without Jeff, we wouldn't have
made the playoffs, bro. Once Jimmy
went down, once everybody started
going haywire, that's what made Tibbs really
like, nah, he different.
He different. That's what I'm talking about.
He different.
And that team, like you said, if Jimmy don't get hurt, Nah He different He different That's what I'm talking about Appreciate it He different Yeah Appreciate it
And that team
Like you said
If Jimmy don't get hurt
Obviously I still had a good season
But if Jimmy don't get hurt
It's a totally
Cause y'all was going crazy
That year
It was a three seed
Yeah
I texted that nigga
Before the season
I said nah bro
You on one of them teams
Now
Now when I see him
When he told me
Taj was coming
I'm like
Oh shit We got a squad i was just
like it was he's like we're gonna get taj too i said damn y'all was hard bro shout out to jimmy
man he made that call to me he's like yo where you at i was like i don't know i think i might
go back to okc they give me some so what you doing you gotta know yo come like we got some
bread yo come i'm gonna make short tips and I'm gonna call you.
I was like,
yo,
whatever.
Jimmy,
my brother for life.
Yo, real one,
Jimmy.
Shit,
I swear,
I fuck with Jimbo,
bro.
Yeah.
Jimbo,
Ty,
Jimmy,
Jamal,
they made my first year
in fucking Minnesota.
Unbelievable.
Now,
my second year,
that's when she got spooky. Lucas was crazy. It was, Now, my second year. Oh, yeah.
That's when she got spooky.
It was crazy.
Luke, is there a second year?
Lukey.
John was there the whole time.
Oh, no.
John was there.
Y'all had a hell of a locker room.
Lukey was there the whole time.
John's a freaky Luke.
The real Somalian.
John was there.
And our team,
we had a really good team.
Yeah.
But, I mean
everybody want to get paid
you know how it go
everybody want to get paid
that's all it really came down to
everybody just wanted to get paid
that's y'all shit though
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Taj
what I knew he was like
different
everybody loved Taj
if you play on his team
he's the most loved
in the locker room
he get along with
everybody
1 through 15
so we
we had a meeting one time and I ain't gonna talk about what happened in the locker room he get along with everybody 1 through 15 so we we had a meeting
one time and i ain't gonna talk about what happened in the meeting but he was like all i
could remember you know i think everything funny he was like we not doing that yo son we not doing
that the new york came out no son we not doing that and all i could hear d-ose saying in the back like, yo fam, chill fam.
He's saying,
no son,
no son, we not doing that. No, stand the fuck up.
Stand the fuck up.
I said, yo.
I ain't gonna tell what happened, but
it was so funny, bro. Them two talking
and they never talk. Like, Taji
laughs, Joe eat, but when they
serious, like you listen, him and D-Rose was both like, nah fam. He like Taj, he laughs, Joe eat. But when they serious, like, you listen.
Him and D-Rose was both like,
nah,
fam.
He like,
no,
son,
I was crying.
I'm rolling on the ground laughing.
Making it worse.
No,
dude,
I care.
Jimmy,
Jimmy mad.
I was like,
ah,
this shit's crazy.
I knew it was over.
Very.
Y'all locker room was fucked up,
bro.
It was messed up at that time, but. Yeah. Y'all really, y fucked up, bro. It was messed up at that time.
But yeah, I really I really had a far as team, man.
Nah, it was a fun team, though.
It was fun.
It was.
What you think went wrong, Taj?
You can speak on it.
Hey, man.
Not as far as like the line of far as guys getting money.
Everybody was young guys got paid
first yeah um we were trying to give they were trying to give jimmy some bread but it wasn't
enough money it wasn't that kind of money jimmy was basically like yo show me like i'm the alpha
show me i'm the guy and respectfully he was he was the guy that was taking all the big shots
setting guys up yeah but not only that he was chastising dudes, too.
Yeah.
Yo, if you do that again, I'm beating you up.
I'm like, oh.
He was on that.
That's what you want?
I'll just put Chicago with you, Jimmy.
You ain't.
Yeah.
But then, new era come.
I'm like, all right.
When that didn't happen, I said, oh, man.
But I thought it could still be men. But as the year went on, that's when it got,
then around that time when Jimmy was like, I'm ready to go.
I'm like, oh, man.
Come on, Jimmy.
We bought this.
Come on, man.
We got something good.
We've been here for a couple years.
Don't do it, bro.
I'm trying to re-up.
If you pay attention to the game, you pay attention to who,
my guys be looking out for God. Come. Like, if you pay attention to the game, like, you pay attention, like, who,
like,
my guys be looking out for God.
Like,
yo,
come on,
I got you,
bro.
So,
when I seen,
I'm like,
well,
yeah,
we got one.
Like,
facts.
Coach got the whole joint.
We got a win-fue game.
All right,
we,
you know,
Jimmy's like,
I'm out of here.
I don't want,
I don't want to talk to you,
you,
you.
Who,
me?
All right.
It was great. I ain't know, I ain know i know he wanted to swing out come in it was just it was crazy but
i'm just happy it worked out for him though because at the end of the day we all family
everybody you know yeah yeah i'm glad y'all still got your relationships though jimmy jimmy that's
my guy yeah we was i'm in the meetings bro It's me bro Now I tell y'all
Y'all know how we do meetings
Imagine me trying to convince
Somebody to stay somewhere
Like Jimmy
Come on bro
He like
T you don't even give a fuck
Yup
I'm like I do
I do
Like
Where you going
He like I wanna leave
You gonna take me
What you wanna do
Like
I'm outta here
I'm done I of here I'm done
I'm done
I'm done
I'm like
That's funny as hell
I wanted to ask you bro
When you got drafted
Like he said
Being from Brooklyn
Like
Everybody want to play
In New York
You got drafted in Chicago
You play in Minnesota
You go to OKC
You play in Minnesota
Then you get a chance
To go back home
To New York.
What's that like
playing for the Knicks, bro?
You wake up angry every day.
I didn't expect that.
Nah, I mean, in a way,
it's amazing, but
as far as your temperament and being
like, every day you're waking up.
Like, in Minnesota, you're not going to see anybody. You're going to wake up, you're going to just go in your car, it's freezing every day you're waking up like in minnesota you're not gonna see anybody yeah you're gonna wake up you're gonna just go in your car it's freezing
cold you're not gonna see anybody gonna go straight into the gym and to see your teammates
go home you ain't gonna see nobody new york man my first day my first year day i'm in the elevator
every morning i'm running into somebody every morning like what what the hell happened
go to the truck you go
get a bodega go to the bodega across the street get a sandwich garbage truck guys there 5 a.m
6 a.m they like yo what happened yo then you got people on the street regular y'all suck
i hate you every day but literally every day damn good, ain't no, nah, you gotta wake up like,
every day I was waking up like,
even when we won,
I couldn't be like,
let's go.
I had to be like,
I had to look at him like,
I had to look at the fan like,
don't say nothing to me.
Nigga, where'd you live, man?
I was living in Manhattan.
Elevators don't get me started.
My elevator was stopped, literally.
Shout out to the Dallas Hots.
20 stops before we got to the, but that's home, so I'm used to it.
So I'm like, every person, like, good or bad, gonna say something.
So you gotta have some tough skin.
Some days, like, you didn't want to deal with that shit.
I was trying to describe to people, like, how it is playing in the garden.
Like, I know not playing in the garden like i know
not playing for the knicks but when you go there like you want to have the best game of your life
like the fans the arena the environment like everybody fresh on the court size girls it's
everything you want and you try to have your best game and i can imagine playing for the knicks like
y'all get everybody's best game.
Yeah.
What's the best performance you've seen?
Good question, bro.
Great question.
The Garden? Yeah.
There's been so many. Especially that
fourth quarter. It get crazy.
That's a tough question. there's so many guys uh you seen steph go crazy you seen i seen steph break the record on our court okay break the all-time
record and he and what's crazy is he was supposed to break that record in indianapolis but he didn't
play that game and he purposely broke that in the garden.
Man, listen, I seen that man coming in.
Hit that one shot.
And just, like, the garden, one thing about the garden is, like,
it's different, like, they show you love if you real, if you nice.
Like, some cities, they don't care.
But the garden, they're going to show you your love love they gave him his grace that was one person uh who who else um sure you seen
brown go crazy lana uh trey young trey young came gave us the business oh yeah they made me fall so
i was like yeah i had to give him his props.
Like, yo.
You threw the crossover?
Tibbs was like, yo, we sending a double team to help Taj.
I said, no, don't send a double team.
Playing crazy.
That's Taj.
Cook me.
Cook me.
Then I looked at him like, where's my double team?
We'll be tough guy Huh
Yeah
You thought you could
Guard trade
He hit you with that
Okie dokie
Hey man
That crowd
That crowd
That have you feeling
Young
And youthful
You just ain't gonna
Slip
Oh
I ain't gonna lie
Ty's one of the best
Defenders ever
Yeah
For sure
You remember when we
Played Denver that year?
Jokic was going crazy.
The last game to go to the playoffs.
The play-in joint, yeah.
Yo, Jokic was going crazy.
That nigga Tip said, Todd, you got him.
I said, damn, Todd.
It's me and you with a pick and roll killer.
Oh, shit.
No help.
No help.
I'm like,
Jamal Burns.
I was like,
killer.
No help.
We got to switch.
I was like,
you got to get back.
They thought it too.
I'm like,
I can't.
I was like,
Jimmy,
come call Jamal.
I need to go out and get your hair.
I was like, hey, I'm my father.
Like, bro, that's picking real crazy, bro.
Damn, that's funny.
To see Taj take that challenge, bro.
We get that win, bro.
I was like, yeah.
Man, the thing that people don't understand,
we caught them while they was still on the verge of being like pups.
Yeah.
And that next year, man, it was nothing i could do just i'm just
i'm just standing here just um but players like that like i can honestly just say i'm just thankful
to honestly get a chance to not seriously get to stop him because that next year he was a whole
different and guys like him was just i call guys like him alligators tall
big
paws
and they know how to move
and then the first move
they got
that spin
him
DeMarcus Cousins
like certain guys
when they spin
them shoulders hit you
you can't stop them
you gotta play
that's why I wanted to ask you
who's a hell of a defender
who was the toughest
your toughest matchup
depends on whatever.
Oh, damn.
KG Biggs, the Dirt Biggs.
The beginning of your career.
The KG, Dirt.
Dirt, KG.
That's back when it was more like
for physicality.
You had to be at least 240 and up.
Power forward, big.
Carlos Bullsza Josh Smith
It was always
But back then
It was just
Unpredictable
Because you had
Different lineups
Like God
It was so many forwards
Like Josh Smith
Dirk
KG
You got Stack
Then you go West
You still got
On the arm
You still got Powell
Then you got
L.O.
Coming off the bench
Everybody was at least 240 and up Yeah Then now This era is just like You still got on the arm. You still got pal. You got L.O. Come off the bench.
Everybody was at least 240 and up.
Yeah.
Then now this era is just like you got a few bigs, but it's like the top three.
But I can say like four bigs off the top of my dome and be he pick and choose when he want to destroy you.
He can just really just kill you instantly.
But he's just like a finesse till you get a mad.
But if you play
it psychology like he all midi joker he's just like i'm what i'm sunning you and i'm destroying
you and i'm letting you know like nah you know i'm my love he different it's crazy and i at one
point i was like cat is different yeah yeah i tell him in practice, Cat is crazy. Cat is like,
he's different.
I don't speak high on Cat
all the time,
for sure.
He crazy.
But people keep,
I ain't gonna never slide
on DeMarcus Cousins.
Nah.
I'm trying to tell you.
That's his favorite player.
That's my favorite.
That's my man.
Favorite big pause.
He like,
if bro wouldn't have got hurt
and they wouldn't have played
with him like that in the NBA,
I wish he would have signed that contract and no one else but he was a dog bro that's 23 and 12
easy alligator because when i say alligator i'm saying he leashed over 250 yes he got moves and
you can't stop that spin when the alligator grab you he's doing that spin yeah i'm taking you
underneath it's over yeah that's what he's doing right away.
I remember one time we played them in New Orleans.
They had Anthony Davis and they had Cubs, right?
Before the game, we about to play, Tibbs is like, you got AD to Taj.
Taj, you got Cubs.
They don't fuck with you like that.
He said, you got Cubs.
He was like, the first person to get one foul, switch.
Cat, Cubs get the ball, first play.
Cat just grabbing.
Touch.
Switch, Tasha.
Yo, what the hell?
You ain't even try to go at him.
You ain't even try to go at him.
I started running.
I said, yo, damn.
I look at him, Cat, you ain't going to try. He was like, no, no, he had me. I'm like, nah, he ain't going to go on them. I started running. I said, yo, damn. I'm like,
damn,
cat,
you ain't gonna try.
He was like,
no,
no,
he had me.
I'm like,
nah,
he ain't gonna fuck with him.
You seen that meme
of him hulking up
at DeMarcus Cousins?
Yeah,
him and Cousins.
Todd had to go
to everybody.
I'm like,
yeah,
Todd,
switch the picture up.
Something with them,
those UK guys.
They be having
something in a beef. was like damn right when i
switched on uh cuz i'm like he go to ad yo give me the book i'm like yo what's they problem i swear
give me the book give me the book i'm like oh yeah they got beef but that's crazy and no we
asked um about the you know i'm saying The performances On the guard
You got to see
A lot of good ones
This year
Close and personal
JB went crazy
This year
How was that
To see like the energy
Like back in New York
Like obviously
They was decent
But this year
To have a season
I had
And to see him
Kill the way he killed
Like that energy
Back in the city
I mean
Even though we went
Out on this year
We still beat him
But it was just
Dope to see.
How was that being on the team?
I get to your team.
That's my boys over there, too.
Ty's fucked him.
Yeah, he got him.
Because J.J., that's my brother, man.
Yes, sir.
He can call me any time, any place.
I'm running.
I'm not packing no bag.
I'm just pulling up.
That's how deep it is.
But as far as that jb
like jb really came up under us like i'm like when you look and you really dig deep into the
tibbs thing like god's really got real relationships and like once you break that bond it's over he
gonna make sure you good yeah but jb i like he's just a good i want to say i want to say kid because
i knew him his whole life but i'm gonna say great god man like yeah you want to celebrate guys like that because he oh like I'm I'm with him
I'm with them for that few months and I'm just watching them like I'm used to him being uh
the younger kid like being right now I'm around him as an adult now I'm the older guy in the crew
now I'm hanging out we are we are going where we going like and I'm seeing how they move Now I'm the older guy in the crew. Now I'm hanging out. Where y'all going? Where we going? I'm seeing how they
move and I'm just like, yo,
I want my son to be like him for real.
That's hard.
That's how we work.
Hell yeah. He's special.
And to see him play and kill and to see
his reporter he has, everybody's like, you can't
do nothing but support. You can't do nothing but celebrate
it. Because he went crazy this year.
Y'all lucky J.R JR wasn't there, bro.
Get well soon, King.
Because Julius Randle was there.
Y'all was getting sweat, bro.
Man, that's one thing about that Knicks team.
Like, I was like, when I got there, like, we sucked so bad.
Like, people, like, we was terrible, bro.
Like, we just didn't have it in order.
We had RJ.
We had a, we just, the city was just on us as far as, like, just kicking us down.
And they don't understand the level of, like, how we really guys built that up.
And Julius was the main thing to get that joint going.
He needed to get a lot more praise than what he got.
But everybody, you know, you got to be a crazy mother lover to go to the Knicks
because you got to be built different.
That city is tough.
That city is tough.
And you just got to be molded in it.
That's one thing about it.
It's tough to play.
But once you get through those wolves and eyes and really figure it out,
it's one of the best places to play, man.
I ain't going to hold you.
So, I know, though. I know we going to hold you. I know, though.
I know we got to get up out of here, though.
What's the dirtiest place in New York City?
What's the dirtiest city?
Damn.
The dirtiest city?
No.
Don't do that.
What'd you think?
Shit.
You from there.
I want to hear you two say it.
I want to hear you two say it.
All right, all right.
Manhattan.
Manhattan?
You think so?
Manhattan?
I'm not going to let you do the Bronx like that
if you think about the Bronx.
Hey, man, some of the dirtiest places got the best food.
You know what I'm saying?
It do.
It do.
I'll fuck with you.
When I say the Bronx, I'll say maybe,
you can say maybe the Bronx,
but the Bronx is the old school real New York
if you think about it.
Like, Brooklyn has changed.
Manhattan has changed.
That's where Peter Grimes
Is from
But
Legend
I fuck with
The legend
I fuck with
Washington Heights
Oh man
I hear you
We can keep it hoops
It's a good food
It's a great food Vibes It's a good vibe That's the pro-am The summer hoop session I'm stupid We can keep the hoops. Good food. Good food. Great food.
Bob.
Good Bob.
That's the pro-am.
Summer hoop session.
I'm stupid, man.
We can smoke for work.
Oh, man.
All right.
We got to get up out of here before we go, man.
Ty, we were actually sliding, man.
What you got going on next year?
I know you've been doing some contemplation, but we're going to see you on the court next
year, man.
God willing, we'll see, man.
Right now, I'm just at this top 100 camp, learning how to coach these kids.
Just letting God lead me and just trying to have as much fun as I can.
We can't take this for granted.
Every day I wake up, man, I'm just trying to just smile, man, because I did not think I was going to be here.
So if I get the call, I'm calling y'all for sure.
For sure, my dog. Listen, man, we're going to have to do this to be here. So if I get the call, I'm calling y'all for sure. For sure.
My dog.
Listen, man, we're going to have to do this again, man.
Had too much fun, man.
We're going to get up out of here, be here,
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