Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - John Lucas III on Derrick Rose Bulls era, LeBron James DUNKING on him, Kobe Bryant story

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 22 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by John Lucas III. John tells stories about playing alongside Derrick Rose in the NBA, LeBron James dunking OVER him in a game between the Miami Heat and Chicago Bulls, meeting Kobe Bryant when he was in high school and building a close bond with Kobe. He also talks about his journey from college basketball to the D League, and his NBA career. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm the host. My name is DJ Wills. We in Chicago with it. Special guest in the building, man. We've been waiting for this episode, man. He ain't even a guest. It's like family. We got a lot to talk about, man.

We're going to introduce my man's last, which is my far left. I got my dog, Bishop B. He ain't out the pearlies. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. And a shot. Let's get to it, baby. For sure.

We in the shot one time. Jay, look, listen. We know your foot game always been proper. But you know what this man known for? Have you ever seen the black forces with the white laces before? No, I ain't never seen that. I'll get you a pearly look. What you about, nine? Nah, I ain't never seen that. I'll get you a pair of look what you about not. Nah,

I wear a size 11, big dog. Damn! No, you changed my opinion by my size. I didn't let you know my name. You're right.

Nah, I'm going to take care of Luke. Don't worry about it. I got him. Got the black laces on to my right, my dog, young Nacho, young Teague. How you doing? Chilling, bro. We got family in the building for worry about it. I got him. Got the Black Nats on to my right. My dog, young Nacho, young Teague.

How you doing? Chilling, bro. We got family in the building for real, bro. We in Chicago with it. You know, supporting some of our other brothers. Supporting D-Rose, our guy.

But we got my brother in the building, bro. I'm going to let you do the honors, but I'm geek for this episode. For sure, man. We've been waiting for this episode, man. Come on, man.

Decade Plus professional, man. The best walk-on ever to do in the NCAA, man. We got a lot to talk about. We got a lot to talk about today, man. Come on, man. Decade Plus professional, man. The best walk-on ever to do in the NCAA, man. We got a lot to talk about. We got a lot to talk about today, man. JL3, John Lucas III. Coach Luke, appreciate you sliding

on this big dog. Oh, man. Thank y'all for having me. Appreciate it. We've been waiting for this episode, man. Ever since the Minnesota stories came out,

this is the highest requested guest, man. Listen, we got a lot to talk about. But first, man, I want to talk about how y'all first met, man. Let's go to y'all origin story first. Well, you've met him by busting you know killing pause almost going crazy but i've met him by killing uh when i was a rookie

the hawks we didn't have summer league we had mini camps right so we had a mini camp and they had some veterans come he was a veteran of lee he was you know and he was trying to work his way on the team we'll make the hawks team a roster whatever it was a mini in the league. He was, you know, and he was trying to work his way on the team, make the Hawks team a roster, whatever it was, a mini camp. And it was my rookie year. I'd never been in the NBA, nothing. And me and him got in a battle. So we get to playing.

Me and him going back and forth. He giving me the blues. I'm doing my thing. At the end of the day, I end up getting the best of him a little bit, right? But in the middle of the game, this nigga started coaching me. This is what I do. He was going to be my guy. He was going to be a coach. I'm a little bit, right? But in the middle of the game, this nigga started coaching me. This is what I knew.

He was going to be my guy. He was going to be a coach. I'm going to work. I'm doing my thing. I'm calling pick and rolls. He's like, hey, young fella, when you go on that pick and roll and you guard it, don't turn your head because I'm just going to blow by you. I'm looking at this nigga like, man, what?

Like, nigga, we playing against each other. He's coaching me. I'm like, who is this nigga talking to? So I go to Rand, nigga. I'm like, who this nigga talking to? So I go to Randolph Morris, right? I'm like, who is this nigga? He was like, no, he can play, man.

This nigga, nah. Then the rest of the day, this nigga just kept talking to me. That's how I met this nigga. He was killing, though. I ain't going to hate on him. He was killing. I had about 50, though.

Damn. That's a fact. Oh, okay. You know, you get drafted, you get to take every shot you want to take. That's a fact. You, you get drafted, you get to take every shot you want. That's a fact. You know what I mean? You get to take every shot you want to take.

So I just, like, I remember, because I was like, you know, we all had to pull up in the little van or the bus they pick us up at a hotel. It's like maybe, I think I'm like, well, maybe five. I'm going through my sixth year. Yeah. And he pulled up and he brought himself a brand new Dodge Challenger. Yeah. We called it through my sixth year. Yeah. And he pulled up and he got, he brought himself a brand new Dodge Challenger. Yeah.

We called it a dope boy car. Yeah. Dope boy 95. I said, I said, man, look at this. I said,

all right. I used to always try to find something. If I had to go against somebody, like if I didn't know him or something, I had to find something

I didn't like about him. Oh, okay. For me to like, just like, what I don't like about him. Which is going to go against somebody, like, if I didn't know him or something, I had to find something I didn't like about him. Oh, okay. For me to, like, just, like, what I don't like about him was going to make me, like, when we step on that car, I'm going to turn up.

Yeah. So I just, like, off me, I was like, oh, his swag is too high. He was swaggy. He was too, like, I was just like, his swag,

like, he walking now, you know, he had little speakers in the trunk. I'm like, that's cute. You know, we've been doing that. Yeah. You know what I'm I'm like, that's cute. We've been doing that. You know what I'm saying? He doing this and doing that. He walk

out. He acting like he don't acknowledge the old hits. He didn't say what's up. We had some hitters in there, though. The guys who solidified. Probably on the edge. I was just six years in, like I said, but we had guys that was there 10, 12 years that still trying to fight, still could play.

But everybody know when you lead, the older you get, the more you kind of get weeded out. Right, right, right, right. So, once I started seeing that, I just started playing the game. I was like, all right, cool. Like, I know I probably ain't going to make the Atlanta Hawks team. You know, they drafted T with point guards. They had Mike Beebe still.

Who else was on? You had nothing. Jamal came. Jamal. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, okay, it's a minicab. Let me just

do what I got to do. Whatever. Get up out of here. Yeah. So once I seen Woody, he was like, let him take every kind of shot.

I'm like, like, damn. Like, if he, like, he was like, let him take every kind of shot. I'm like, damn. He wanted to turn backwards from the three and throw it like this. He wasn't going to say nothing. I'm like, oh, they really going to try to build this team around this young boy? So I'm like, all right, let me figure it out. And my dad always taught me, change lives. Yeah. Pay it out. And my dad always taught me, change lives. Yeah.

You know, pay it forward. And I was like, he fast, stupid-ass lady. Yeah. Got a crazy right to, like, crazy. Like, he kept hitting me with this one simple move I could never stop. I always bid on the crossover, and it was a step back to the three. Ooh. That was a little jump or two. But his pick and roll game was trash.

He didn't know the game. He didn't know the game he didn't know the game he was a one on one player so in the pick and roll I just started we icing it he turning the ball over and I was like

yeah I'm just gonna start talking noise so I was like turn him up turn him up cause I was like basketball to me is 8% mental

2% physical so I was trying he a rookie he ain't never been in no situation so I'm getting his ass we're like yo we icing, he ain't never been in no situation. I'm getting his ass. We're like, yo, we icing him. He ain't got it. Low man pull over. He turned it

over, left and right. Damn. And so then I was like, I felt kind of bad because I saw him getting frustrated. I mean, I had 50. No, no, no, no. You had 50, y'all, for like 25 free. They started calling Tiki Tax, though. Yo, yo, yo, yo.

He took about 25 free. They started calling Tiki Tax, though. He got 25 free dollars? Oh, 28. I kid you not. He took about 25 free dollars. Oh. And then the other 25 was legit. They could've barbed me. The other 25 was legit. I'm going to tell you

what started happening. Y'all had that big, slow dude on y'all. Yeah. I was in no win situation. Big man. In no win situation. Ended up by him.

I figured it out. I was like, oh, they icing. I'm just gonna keep the ball in the middle of the floor. Yeah. Can't I? Well,

what I noticed was I was like for him to have like longevity. Right. And you could see it. Like you can see like my baby was on his way out a little bit older, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, it would be selfish of me. to, like, pay it forward. Yeah.

Help somebody else along the way. Because that's what Nick Van Axel did for me. That's what Damon Stoudemire did for me. That's what Bubba Chuck did for me. Westside Tennis Club, Houston, Texas. Everybody used to come to Houston to train in the summertime. Oh, okay. So as a high schooler, that was who I'm playing against.

And they did the same thing to me. And I just was like, I got to pay it forward. So I did it with Tyus Jones. Yeah. I did it with T. I tried to do it with Chris Dunn. You know what I'm saying?

So it's just like, for me, I was like, I know, I know I can go to bed at night and lay my head down on a pillow and be like, yo, did I get, did I was,

was I better today? Did I get somebody else better as well? Nah, that's love. And that was just, that was just my way of like, because I, I want no superstar in the league. You know what I mean?

But my whole thing was like, I want to play 10 years in. So I got to be that locker room guy. I got to be that guy that's always ready. So when the opportunity presented itself, I was ready. And that's, I took So when the opportunity presented itself, I was ready.

And I took full advantage of it here playing for Chicago Bulls. Those two and a half years I was here was probably the best years I had in the NBA besides the Pistons. The Pistons year I came in. And I just stayed ready. We got to talk about your NBA career. Let's talk to the origins of it. You gave us an interesting tip before we recorded.

You never played AAU basketball. I already played one tournament in AAU's, what was it, out in Vegas at Adidas. Big time. Big time. And I didn't play. I played for this team called the Houston Superstars. John Urie, they had T.J. Ford, Daniel Ewing. T.J. Ford. Daniel Ewing. Going on.. Ford. Going to Rome.

That backcourt crazy. I played tennis in the summer. So I was top 50 in the country in tennis. So every weekend I was playing in the tennis tournament like everybody else was playing basketball. But this year I was just like I told

my dad, I was like was like man I want to play I do both he didn't want me to quit tennis my dad didn't really want me playing basketball he wanted me to play tennis he was like yo you little motherfucker you're only 5 years old it's going to be so hard for you to make it

and I was just like yeah but this is what I love so I quit tennis one day think about how you would have been in tennis though I know you was I go back

man you know what's crazy it ain't too many black dudes play tennis that's what like I said and that's who

trained my pops so my people don't realize my pops play professional tennis and he won the NCAA tournament and the NCAA

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NCAA kid that never wanted to be in the house. Like, if they was outside playing street hockey, I learned how to ride skates and play hockey, play lacrosse. I never wanted to be in the house. I just wanted to be active. So when my dad found out I was going to go out for the tennis team, bro, he turned into a monster. Like, the way

that kids train now for basketball, we was like that for tennis. Like Serena, daddy. Worse. Damn. That guy know his pops, man. Yeah, like I'm saying, imagine playing tennis

with a 40-pound weight vest on. Damn. And he knew I loved basketball, so he was like, it all gonna transition. Like he knew, it's all gonna make sense. Trust the process.

That's all he used to say. So now, lateral movement. Angles. All basketball is geometry. All Kyrie do is just geometry. Just angles on the glass. We doing that in tennis. Top spin.

Slice. If y'all hit. If I overhead. And it goes to the right. Just know the whole left-hand side of the court going to be open. I got my backhand going cross court. I got my forehand running around. Nigga, we don't play tennis.

You know what I'm saying? I played on a video game. I'm 10. But you know what I Nigga, we don't play tennis. I played on a video game. I'm 10 feet. You know what I'm saying? It all translate over to basketball, though. That's right up. It all translate over to basketball. So then the game, the

basketball game starts slowing down to me. And I was like, oh, you know what? If I'm having a bad match in tennis, now I got to tap into my psychic. I got to wheel my way into like whatever I got going on in tennis, I got to, because I don't have 400 players to depend on

to get me out this hole. But now in basketball, if I'm having a bad game, I can lean on somebody. So tennis helped me with my mental game to where I could will my way to be like let's check the boxes oh i'm missing a couple shots is my elbow tucked in do i got a pancake gooseneck like i just start checking the boxes and then i would re i would correct whatever mistakes i'm making now your mental is crazy i'm gonna say that because even when you helped me my rookie year but then when i seen you throughout

the league then when i got with you in minnesota like i know i'm skipping ahead we want to talk about your journey but when i got to minnesota you know i was i was turned yeah like and you like yo let's get some extra shots i'm like nigga no no i didn't come here for extra shots i came here to pass the ball to jimmy and wig and cat but you used to i was like come on You got to lock in on what's going to be good is if you do this. And then that first year, I was doing that shit with you. And we had a good season. I mean, Jimmy got hurt, but we was having a successful season. And then you was like, you're a two.

You got to keep going. And, like, you would push me. And then I seen you doing it with D-Rose. And, like, your mental always just been different. I'm like, I'm going to show love to that because obviously tennis helped you a lot. So maybe I should start putting people in tennis on my team. Nah, it just, for me, it's more like, for me, it's like. Shit, we need some mental toughness.

Nah, for me, I think I saw something in you that you didn't really see in yourself. I think you was already kind of planning your exit. In Minnesota, you were. In minnesota i'm like bro you got about four five years left in you and i would be like nah i was like don't let these people discourage you right and have you have you be in a role that ain't really you like yeah you gotta play the game but i said yo this ship don't move without you you are starting pg the point guard control everything that's a fact and he'm like, yo, you don't realize you can get another big deal.

He used to say that. I used to be like, I'm cool. I said, bro, you can sign another 80 ball. His goofy self used to be like, man, I'm cool. I'm straight. I'm like, what's wrong with you? I don't know, bro.

They giving money out. He got too comfortable. Not ain't see it too. He got too comfortable. Too comfortable. Not to say it was too late. But when we started, like, when it started happening and I started caring, like, we doing these workouts. I'm going to come off the bench. You remember, I'm going to come off the bench.

I'm going to get another bag, be the sixth man. I was hooping. Then I get hurt. I said, what the fuck? And he was like, see, when you play with the game, the basketball guys. I'm big on that. Yeah.

I'm big on that. That's all I'm listening to you say now is basketball guys. I'm big on that. Bro, I never disrespected the game. Yeah. And I was disrespecting it and then when I tried to get serious

and he like, yeah, we locked in, I get hurt. It's like, damn. But we got back right. Yeah,

we got back right. We got back right, but I was a, see, my pops raised me and my whole, me and my brother and my sister, that he raised us on right. Yeah, we got back right. We got back right, but I was a... See, my pops raised me and my whole... Me and my brother and my sister, he raised us on principles. Yeah.

And he was like, you never want to disrespect the game, Hoss. So, like, when my teammates in high school, they all wanted to wear high socks. I never wore high socks before. I always wore, like, either ankle socks or a little crew. So, I was like, all right, I'm going to wear high socks because we're the whole team wearing it.

I want to be a team player. Yeah. One thing, my mom, he crazy. His pops crazy. Like, he crazy.

Like, so we warming up. He see I got hot socks on. He walk in the middle of the court. I was like, what you doing? Go put your socks on. Damn.

I'm a junior in high school. I'm like a junior senior in high school. And when nobody going to say shoot the pops, not a damn soul. Nobody say, and I'm like a junior senior in high school and when nobody gonna say shoot the pops not a damn soul nobody say and I was like

alright man he was like don't be no follower don't be no follower but he was also saying that's that's not you yeah

like so now mentally you not even ready to play cause you so worried about how you look and making sure you fit in with everybody else that you ain't even ready

to go seek and destroy. That was his whole thing. His whole thing was like, my, I think was, his thing was protect my last name. Every game used to tell me that. Yeah. Y'all had it. That's a hell of a lineage though. Every game used to tell me that because I didn't play AU like I said, so I'll go back.

So when I played high school basketball, I only played basketball for four and a half months. When did you get cold? I always been cold. Let him tell it. Hey, no. Look, look, look. Talk to me now. Hey, I'm telling you. You was doing good.

No, I always been cold. Listen, I understand that, bro. I'm just saying When did you be like Damn I can do this You feel me You was Arthur A The day I came out

My mama That's when I knew I was cold I came out like this That's my daddy I came out with My hand formed like this They got pictures

Hey what you call that When you hit a jumper Make that dog sneeze In my neighborhood You say make that dog sneeze It's stepped on, you say make that dog sneeze and it stepped off. Oh, wait. You know what that means?

You ever heard a dog sneeze before? No. It go. So every time I shoot, that's the next. I'm a country boy. I understand. I was just saying,

when did you have to feel like, damn, I can do this for real? Like, at a high level? My whole life. I'm telling you. But you have to feel like, damn, I can do this for real? My whole life. I'm telling you. But you got to tell how you grew up because he grew up differently than us. My whole life. Kenfo, what people don't realize, I led the whole state in scoring.

What year? What year? Every year. I played. He went to Bel Air, like real life. I was a fresh principal at Bel Air before Will Smith. That's one of them Will Smith. Yeah, he was one of them bullshit schools.

No, it's a public school. See, people always thought I grew up in a private school. My pops weren't for that. Okay. We published,

I'm a public school baby. I mean, Bel Air, Will Smith, that school was trans. So, so Will, so Bel Air is like,

the Bel Air is like the Bel Air you would think of. I grew up nice. I grew up next to the Enron people. Okay. I grew up next to the Enron people. I grew up next to the Chevron people, Exxon people. Yeah, we was good. What year did you play with Mecca?

All through high school. We graduated 0-1 together. Okay. He zoned to my school. I had Lawrence Roberts. I don't know if you remember Lawrence Roberts. We ended up going to Baylor. We all was zoned to the same school.

My school was a public school, but like Bel Air, people think I'm from the suburbs. I'm from the center of the city. But we our own city inside of Houston. But when you go over here, every school we played

was in the hood. Madison, where Vince Young went. That's Herm Clark. We had Sterling, Worthing. Lil Flip went to Worthing That's Sonny's side So all of our schools Was in our district

Was all hood schools We only had one other school That's kind of like us That was Lamar High School Who went there? Lawrence Roberts Ended up transferring Our freshman year

And he went to our rival school Okay But they had a guy out there Named Corey Smith Who ended up playing at Vanderbilt In the SEC He was nice too So we had a lot of hoopers.

How was that playing with Emeka, though? Was he always good? Nah, he was trash. He was... He was trash. That's like the greatest big ever for UConn. He was trash. He wasn't trash, but he was uncoordinated. Okay.

But he wanted to be adopted. He's smart as fuck, though. He's smart as fuck. He's smart. He graduated our junior year in high school. He already graduated. So our senior year,

he was taking courses for college already. Okay. So Michael was smart. He didn't think about even playing in the NBA. He didn't think that. He was like,

I'm just going to use basketball and get into medical school, like get into. Oh, that's crazy. So my dad one day, because I always did player development. My dad trained me my whole life.

Yeah. He was in my life. You know, it don't matter if he had a job in Denver. We would fly for the weekends to Denver, and I'm practicing with the team. Or I'm practicing with Nick Van Ack. Like, I'm working out. So America ended up going from being like 6'4 in freshman year

to 6'7 our sophomore year. Then he kept going. My dad, one day, come home, he was like, Emeka,

you a pro. He was like, you got a chance to make 80 million. That's how his dad talked to me. He said, you got a chance

to make 80 million. Yeah. And Emeka was, oh, and then even Emeka's dad didn't see. He was like, like no he need to focus on his books he's gonna be an engineer a doctor you know he's not you know so that's what

they think okay man we get to our junior year he started playing with the houston hoops having success summertime he every day we in the gym 6 a.m i used to go pick him up from the from his place pops had us it was the workouts was crazy because it would be me, Emeka, Lawrence, Daniel Ewing, TK Ford, Carlos Hurt,

Phil Williams, guys you don't know of like that in Houston. I know Carlos Hurt. And it was like, my papa's like, yeah,

they better than you. And I used to be like, man, they ain't better than you. They ain't better than you? No, they were cold. But at the time, my mental game was like, I'm the best thing on the court.

But I didn't realize what my pops was doing. I earned Shopper's Iron. Straight up. So we was all getting each other better. But at the same time, we was all kind of dissecting each one of our games, so we was going to all play against each other at one point. That's an interesting point you say with that. You talk about both of y'all obviously are coaching.

You see it now. A lot of kids now duck that competition. Back then, y'all had to embrace it. How do you kind of translate that now for kids? It's just like, at some point, you have to show up and play against the top. Man, you know what? Kids get a competition now. Kids are so worried about if they're going to get posted on social media.

Kids are scared of being embarrassed. I grew up to where if you ain't been dunked on, crossed over, or embarrassed, you ain't playing at a high level. That's real. So, all my best friends aren a high level. That's real. So, all my best friends aren't from the neighborhood I'm from. All my best friends

are from the other side of the tracks. Yeah. That's where the best ball is at. So, when I used to leave high school, I'm in Sunnyside.

I'm in Third Ward. I'm in Fifth Ward. That's where the ball is at. It didn't matter. I wasn't worried about going over there. I wasn't worried. It's like,

it's basketball. It's a universal language. Now, I knew how to conduct't worried about going over there. I wasn't worried. It's like, it's basketball. It's a universal language. Now, I knew how to conduct myself when I was over there. So where I can, you know, I can come back, you know, get back to the crib. But at the end of the day, like, I wasn't going to get better playing against my neighbors or staying in my neighborhood while I'm playing against Billy and Tommy and John. I had to go play against Tyreek,

Ray Caruth, or somebody like that at the... I'm just saying. I'm just using like... That's a hell of a one-on-one game, boy. But I'm just saying... Hold on, y'all.

Wait, wait, wait. You played against... No, no. I'm just using that name as an example. I'm saying I had to go play against like a Kareem or somebody like that because... We better ask that. No, no, I'm just using that name as an example. I'm saying I had to go play against like a Kareem or somebody like that because. Not right, not right.

No, no, not Ray Karrue like that, but I'm just saying I had to go. I had to go. I think he's just crazy. What, their kids called trenches now? Yeah. I had to go get that so I can get better at basketball. Why you say Ray Karrue? I don't know.

It just came up. I don't know. Hey, Jeff, you know me. I'm just going to say whatever comes up in my mind. You're doing so good. I swear. I said, man, we're going to fight, too. Because we're not going to let that pass.

You know me, Jeff. I'm going to speak. That's the name that popped up in my head. I just said it. But that's why I got better at that. Is he out yet? I don't know. That's why.

But I wasn't even thinking about the football player when I said it. I was just saying the name. That's the perfect part. Yeah, for sure. I was just saying the name, but that's why I got better at it and, you know. You and Daniel

are the same class, though? We all. 01. Class of 01. We probably had the best class coming out of the United States that year. Daniel, you and his brother. 01.

It's not better than 07. Oh, I'm just saying that year, Texas as a state. No, 07 had the college class. Oh, yeah. Little bro McDonald's all America. Yeah. We can talk.

That's the first thing he go. You know your little brother should not make McDonald's. I said, how, bro? Look what he was doing. Yeah, nigga, I played him. Look what he was doing. He, nigga, I played him. Look what he was doing. But he had a, like, you know,

Paul's coming out party. So, I mean, that played into it, too. It did. Shout out to Jay. He doing great things at Duke. He doing, you know what,

he the only Lucas that can brag about being a McDonald's All-American. That's right. My pops wasn't a McDonald's All-American. I wasn't. He the only one.

Nah, that's up. And he doing his thing. I'm proud of him. He doing his thing. We talked about opening the show and saying you the best's All-American. I wasn't. He the only one. Nah, that's sick to that. And he doing his thing. I'm proud of him. He doing his thing. We talked about opening the show. I've known him since you're the best walk-on ever. Let's go all through this. Obviously, you went crazy in college.

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I really wanted to go to Texas A&M. Okay. And I remember I verbally committed to Coach Watkins at Texas A&M. I said, but I don't want to sign early because I want to make sure my guys that I came in as a freshman, they all get scholarships as well. But if me and Emeka Okafor sign early, ain't no more schools gonna come to our games. So my pops set us down.

So we talk Emeka, because he was supposed to go to Georgia Tech. Oh, okay. Originally. I could see that, though. So he was supposed to go to Georgia Tech originally.

So every time I see Coach Hugh out in L.A., because he's part of the Ontario Clippers, he get mad at me because he was like, I had Emeka Okafor until you and your daddy taught him not to sign it, bro. Y'all was hating.

So that's when UConn came in. But my dad was like, bro, y'all came in. Like, everybody got to eat. Everybody need to. So he was like, if y'all don't sign early, y'all going to have all the colleges still come in. And after that, I took a visit to FAMU. Because if I would have went to FAMU,

if I took a visit to FAMU, they was going to get one of my teammates a scholarship just for me coming on campus. And by far, that was the best visit I ever took in my life. Almost never. Shout out to FAMU. I've been to Tallahassee. Tallahassee, Florida State, right across the street. But my pops

was all about, you bring somebody along with you, you never never and that's just how we grew up as a family so we talked to Mecca so I really want to go to A&M because I wanted to play for a black coach

and I gave him my word and he was like okay we got you you know we're going to wait on you seven days later they signed a point guard at the Juke Cup

alright yeah so then you're not going to Texas A&M yeah I'm back at square one. So I had Baylor. I had Rutgers.

I had everybody really recruited me for basketball. But I had more offers in tennis. Oh, okay. So, and everybody who was recruiting me wanted the red shirt

because I didn't lift weights. I was only 140 pounds my senior year. Damn. Right. But I was only 140 pounds my senior year. Damn. Right? But I was just like, all we did was push-ups, dips, and pull-ups.

We didn't touch the weights because my dad was like, you touch the weights, it's going to mess with your shot. Yeah. Hard to argue with. 140 at 18 is crazy. Yeah.

I was 155. A D1 athlete, but you came back, they put you on that shot. You came back in the summer. Yeah, when I went to college. I was 155. A D1 athlete, but you came back, they put you on that shot. You came back in the summer. Yeah, when I went to college, I was only,

I was like, 150, and then they made me like, eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich like every four hours and I would gain

like three pounds and then You would run it off. I'd run it off and I'm right back and I just was like, and I had to run anyway because they tried to make me lift weights in college.

And I was fighting against not lifting weights in college. So the knockoff was, well, you're going to have to run for punishment because you don't want to lift weights. I said, me, I'm just, my mental game, I'm just going to be, I can outrun everybody. And I still got my burner. Because I used to, if I lift weights and I miss my first three shots, I will always blame the weights. Because I'm stiff,

I'm sore. Now I'm shooting like a running back in a football play. You see the football players play the rec center. In a real game. Yeah, you know, it looked like two recs

kept them with us. You know what I mean? But for me, I had to be... Nah, I was nothing. I was 150. I came back 185, no that could be i came it was in three months yeah i gained 30 something pounds wrong man coming back to the city no i

man baylor was like i said the worst because it was too close to home and i had you went back home a lot every day Damn I used to take that Two hour drive Like it was like 45 minutes away Damn God damn You had a lady or something? Nah I just

You were just home I was home I had the whole house to myself Cause my pops took the coaching job In Cleveland Yeah Uh Yeah

I was up It was up It was so interesting Two hours bro That's like us going to Louisville Every day When you're not having fun somewhere Sleep When you're not having fun somewhere. Sleep.

When you're not having fun somewhere. Yeah. And me and the coach started ending up having problems and issues. Coach Dave Bliss, you know,

I was just trying to find comfort, trying to be around love, really. And all my boys back home, cousins, best friends that I grew up with

was all back in Houston. And I would rather be there than at Baylor. Like, miserable. I mean, Waco, Texas, nothing to do there, first of all. Right.

I watch a show based out of Waco, Texas. They be selling homes and rebuilding. Oh, the white dude in his white hair. Yeah. Yeah.

I think they split up. I actually think they Baylor alums antiques? Yeah. I think they split up. I actually think they bailed our lungs. Oh, yeah. I think they bailed our lungs. He said they split up and got back together. I don't know why

he knows that. But yeah. No, they did because I really tapped in. Nah, they do some good work but I just hate it. I just hate it. Like my freshman year

was cool. I led my team in scoring and assists. As a freshman. As a freshman. Damn, that's crazy. Big 12. You know, team in scoring and assists. As a freshman. As a freshman. Damn, that's crazy. Big 12. You know, TJ obviously did his thing.

For sure. Yeah. So it was just like, and then my sophomore year, it just got tricky. It got weird. All of a sudden, it's like everything shift. It's like I come back as a starter. Still leading the team in scoring, assists. We playing.

And I think we got like 10 games left for the season. All of a sudden, coach is like, just own me all day in practice. Own me all day in practice. And we had a point guard, a backup. His name was Matt Samen. And I was like, in practice, if it was boring to me, like I told Jeff, I had to find something bad about something. So I just started talking trash the whole practice. Like, you can't hold me. Like I told Jeff, I had to find something bad about something. Yeah.

So I just started talking trash the whole practice. Like, you can't hold me. Like, hold that. Like, I'm... And that's when Genie came out. So every time I shot, he's like,

like, I used to do like that. And so Coach, Coach pulled me, Coach was like, cursing me out. And he was talking about, you think you so-and-so, woody-woo.

He was like, you grew up with a silver spoon in your mouth. I was like, you think you so-and-so, woody-woo. It was like, you grew up with a silver spoon in your mouth. I was like, wait, what? Silver spoon? I said, man, my spoon was platinum. First spread. Kicked me out of practice.

Right? Kicked me out of practice. He come in the locker room. We get into this full-blown argument. And I don't play for the next eight games. I went from starting. They not playing. They playing.

I walk on. They playing. Everybody here, people like asking questions like, why this? Why that? And nobody could give the answer. So then, now I'm like, damn. What'd I do? You know what I mean?

I said, it can't be that bad for me. Just, you know, you trying to be this to me. I'm like, it's not silver, it's platinum because platinum.

Yeah, it was popping then. That shit was popping too. Yeah, it was the best of the best. Big Thomas had, yeah, that shit was popping.

He thought you was money. Nah, it was better than what you think. Right. Like, because I just felt like you could talk to me another way

if you trying to like, just say, no, like, instead of trying to put me down in front of everybody because of my background, where I come from. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, OK.

And me being who I am, I can be an asshole a little bit. I was just like, no, it's platinum. And I was ready to hoop again. But he just took it to a whole other level, kicked me out of practice. So it just went downhill from there. And I just was like calling back home because my pops was living in Cleveland. They was in Cleveland coaching at the time. And I was telling him how I was being treated and this.

And he was like, be professional. My dad was all about don't disrespect the game. Keep coming to practice, stuff like that. So I did. And, you know, one day I had a Nextel phone because I had two phones in college. So I had a Nextel to church. And you could record. And I was like, yo, dad, I'm telling Nextel phone because I had two phones in college. So I had a Nextel to chirp. To chirp, yes, I understand. And you could record.

And I was like, yo, dad, I'm telling you, he be talking crazy to me. I'm going to snap on him one day. Like, he's just talking crazy. And I just recorded. I let my dad hear it. My dad still. Then my dad eventually got fired from Cleveland. So he started coming to the games, being around me more,

making sure my mental, making sure everything was straight. And when he first got there, he sat behind the bench. And we was doing so bad that the Waco newspaper, people don't know this, Waco newspaper was like, yo, when did it be a trip if Coach Lucas

ends up becoming the head coach of the Bears? Damn. Because he already had, because he's already training all of us in the summertime. Yeah, he's already locked in. Man, the next game,

next home game we had, they had my mom and pops in the North. Damn. They had my mom and pops in the summertime. He was already locked in. Man, the next game, next home game we had, they had my mom and pops in the North. Damn. They had my mom and pops in the North. Damn. My dad be who he is,

he grabbed my mom and said, man, come on, we're going right back down. He said, right back to his normalcy. But they had, our ticket,

my ticket was all the way in the nosebleed. That's crazy. That's crazy. Now they hated your ass. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you know, unfortunately, what happened, what happened, That's crazy. No, they hated your ass. Yeah. This nigga the fuck out of here. And then all of a sudden, you know, unfortunately what happened, what happened, you know, RP to my teammate Pat Denny, all that stuff started happening in the summer.

And obviously, you know, we went through, you know, what we went through. Right, right, right, right, right. You know, it's, that was a crazy time. Yeah. That was a real, a real dark time. Yeah. Like, I can ask the question, like, when that time happened, like, to go through that or whatever with your teammate, it's a tough, I can't even imagine what that feels like to even go through that. Like, what would you think?

Was you thinking, like, yo, I'm getting out of Baylor. Like, I got to leave this place. Like, it ain't for me. Or was you like, damn, let's. Well, before all that happened, I was already checked out. Okay. Yeah. And I'm like, man, I'm transferring.

He was like, you ain't transferring. I'm holding your paper. You stuck here for two years. Damn. That type of vibe. Damn. So I was like, I'm like, I'm transferring. I don't know what's going to happen.

You know what I'm saying? But I know I ain't playing here no more And then that situation happened And it was crazy because Everybody was in Houston training with us that day And then we get the phone call asking if we seen Pat And I was like nah he not down here Left it like that

And then we didn't think nothing of it We just thought okay So we still going there now weeks go by Now all of a sudden you see on CNN You you see the fbi involved you see all that's going on and my teammate rt glenn started like recording like all the conversations and um like one of the conversations popped up i'll never forget this when i got when my name got cleared from everything from like you know if i accepted any money or anything like that, is they got on tape saying, well, we can't go to Lucas because he ain't going to

lie for us. Damn. Wow. That was a bit like seeing my dad's chest poked out. Yeah. Because of all the teaching and the principles and stuff he taught me and my brother and sister. And you ain't fucked with him at this point either. So it was like, yeah. And I ain't talking.

I'm just this. I just wanted a hoop. either. So it was like, yeah. And I ain't talking. I'm just this. I just wanted a hoop, bro. Yeah. And it was like, when that came out, I remember getting that phone call saying, you cleared. Like, you enjoy the rest of your college career. You don't have to worry. Because they started like, how did he get his car? Like, I had my car my sophomore year in high school. Yeah.

How'd he get his rims? Steve Francis brought my rims. How he get- We don't get to your life. He like- How he get his rims. Steve Francis brought my rims. How he get, how you get to your life. He like, how you, how you get your system in your car.

Katina Moby. He was like, you know what I'm saying? Like, those are my big brothers. So they saw me doing good and they like, I'm training every day with them.

I'm in it. So they like, man, like, it's like different. That's different. You know what I mean? He was not a regular nigga,

bro. It's different. It was just like, I grew up Different And it's like It's normal We gotta get back to that Cause we didn't even get to the good shit

Yeah When he grew up in Philly Oh Let's talk about that We here now Let's see it When I grew up in Philly How old were you

When you moved to Philly? Sixth grade Middle school I went to Ballot Kingwood Middle School There's only two NBA players That ever come out of Ballot Kingwood Middle School And they are Who is that? The GOAT First of all So Jordan went Nah Ballot Kingwood Middle School. There's only two NBA players that ever come out of Ballot Kingwood Middle School. Who are they after?

Who is that? The GOAT, first of all. So Jordan went... Nah, Kobe Bean. Oh, okay. Oh, you look at that. The fuck you look at me for? I look. No, I'm just saying.

Shout out to Coaster. Yeah, it's only two that came out of Ballot Kingwood Middle School. Kobe Bryant, John Lucas, the third. Oh. Oh, J3 since the womb. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm telling you, it's just like it's crazy because i we like we just literally moved to philadelphia my dad was the president and the general manager president and head coach of the 76ers when he was there what hold on this is just me like what what is that like like i grew up my mom and dad worked down the street and shit like you know i mean i'll be in for it no yeah i get you you know what I mean? I'm being for real. No, yeah, I get you. You know, you my man. Yeah, I get you. You my nigga, but like, what is that like to know, like, your dad is like an NBA

coach? Your dad played in the league, but like, he the guy. Like, what's that like? Normal. I didn't think that. It was just normal every day to me. That shit was... I mean, bro, when I was, like, five years old, I remember going to the barbershop with Michael Jordan and my dad.

Michael Jordan picked us up in a Corvette and I'm sitting in my dad's lap. We driving on the south side of Chicago while they go get haircuts during the Eastern Conference

playoffs when my pops was playing in Milwaukee. That's fire. Like, I got every Michael Jordan shoe he ever played in signed. I know.

Listen, I know. Like, no, I'm talking about the shoes he played in signed. Like, the shoes he got crossed up in against Allen Iverson, I got it in my garage signed. I know. Listen, I know. No, I'm talking about the shoes he played in. Sign. Like the shoes he got crossed up in against Allen Iverson, I got it in my garage. Sign. I know.

I was a ball boy. I know. I'm just speaking for the people who don't know. I know. I know your lineage. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying. Yeah, the culture.

I've been a ball boy my whole life. That shit is crazy. So I've been around. I've been around. Like my dad, I was like, I was, I've been a ball boy my whole life. That shit is crazy. So I've been around, I've been around, like my dad, I was like, you know, every kid who just want to be around. So when my dad went to the gym, it didn't matter. I was a ball boy. I used to mop the floor, like free throws.

I was that kid mopping the floor. I was that kid, you know, doing everything. I learned how to talk to girls by going into the stands, getting numbers. And I used to, and the players used to give me like $50 to go get a number and they used to give me

$100 to go get a hot dog and pretzels and be like, I'd be like, here's your change. Nah, Luke, you got it. Keep the change. My change is $85.

I'm walking home with three, four hundred like six years old, seven years old as a ball boy. And getting paid on top of that as a ball boy. That was hard.

What was it like first seeing Kobe hoop though? When was your first glance at Kobe Bryant? Amazing. He the biggest Kobe fan in the world. He can't say nothing.

Amazing. Like, I love Kobe too. Not as much as I love Jordan, but you, I'm going to let him go. You got that. Let Luke get his shit up. Amazing, bro. I love Kobe too. Not as much as I love Jordan, but you, I'm going to let him go. You got to let him go. Let Lou get his shit up.

Amazing, bro. Give me that time. We want another time. Story time with J3. All right. My mom is the one who discovered Kobe. Not like overall, but she's the one who, it's newspapers and everything,

so I can give you all, it's all facts. I never lie. It's all facts. Okay. My mom comes home one day. I just got back from tennis practice with my dad. She come home one day and I just got back from tennis practice with my dad.

She come home one day and tell my pops, I think I seen a better high school player than you. My dad like, what? You got to know his dad, so this is funny. Like, he low-key about to bring a drug test out to test my mom and make sure she's straight. So my dad was like, all right, next time they play, we going to the game.

Yeah. Okay. And my mom come in, it's a kid named Kobe. It's a kid named Kobe. Go to Lower Merion High, go to my sister, my sister graduated

from Lower Merion. Yeah. And so my dad, I'll never forget, it was a Friday. So we go to Lower Merion High School, they got a home game. So my dad packed me

and my little brother up in the car. We just got done working out. So we go all the way to the game and he see Jelly, you know, Jelly in there, his pops. My dad was like, Jelly, what you doing? packed me and my little brother up in the car. We just got done working out. So we go all the way to the game, and he see Jelly, you know, Jelly in there, his pops. My dad was like, Jelly, what you doing here?

Like, oh, he was like, oh, man, I'm here to see my son play. He was like, yeah, man, my wife come on. I'm talking about, that's a kid up here named Kobe that's supposedly better than me in high school. Like, he the next best great thing ever to play the game. And he was like, oh, man, that's my son. Right? So he was like, for real? Like, you know how my dad

so we we sitting there watching and then the game started Kobe starts off at the five he went to jump ball they throw the ball and he outrun first play of the game

he win me damn and that day I was locked in cause I never you know you don't see it so you was like 11 nah 12 12 yeah 6th So you was like 11?

Nah, 12. 12? Yeah, sixth grade. I think like 11, 12, about to turn 12.

I got a late birthday, so I probably wasn't that about to turn 12. Okay. But yeah, and then we start, then we start going to every high school with my dad.

And then, then my dad started having him come practice with the Sixers. Because we, they didn't have a practice facility at the time.

They used to, St. Joseph University was their practice facility. Gotcha. That's why I say basketball's practice facility at the time. They used St. Joseph University was their practice facility. That's why I say basketball is a full circle for me. I live right down the street from St. Joseph. I used to go hoop every day at St. Joseph. We don't get there because I still hate you. Now,

my dad got him practicing. What my dad used to do is he big on competition. He used to match Kobe up against all of the draft workouts so jerry stackhouse all those guys who got drafted right kobe beat them all one-on-one damn and they was like man what school he went to like what high school like what what college he went my dad was like man he a junior in high school this is junior year. Damn. And Jerry Sackhoff, if y'all, if that just happened, it was phenomenal. Amazing.

So, like, y'all have, y'all have, y'all have my OG on here, Vernon Maxwell. I got stories about him for days,

but we ain't gonna get into that. But Vern, what he said about Cole ready to fight, he was ready to fight Cole. Cole didn't back down from that.

I was there. I was at that part. Cole was ready to get his, like, like, Vernon crazy, bro. Oh, we know. Vernon got the record for it. Motherfuckers on here.

He said in the first five minutes, too. He said 37 motherfuckers in the first five minutes. Yeah, Vernon crazy. 47, motherfucker. So Vernon was ready to fight Kobe. Kobe was really going at him. And he was, what, 17? 17. He ain't back down. And I was just like, ooh. And then was what, 17? 17. He ain't back down. Damn.

And I was just like, ooh. And then I started like, then I started, he started picking me up from school. He was picking me up from my house. Like your life different. I remember, I'll never forget when he got his car.

He got a Forest Green Toyota Land Cruiser. This nigga life different. I remember he picked me up because we was going to work out of the city. I was like, ooh, this car. And then he had like up because we was going to work out of the city. I was like, who would this call? And he had like two trash bags

in the trunk of his car. I was like, man, what you got in the trash bag? He was like, Young Bull, you know, in Philly,

they said Young Bull. He was like, Young Bull is a game everywhere in Philly. I ain't got time to go back home and get my gear and then come back

and the game might be over. I got to be ready right now. Boy, when I got my Dodge Durango my sophomore year, I ain't put no trash bags in my bag. I had like Nike duffel bags. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, because shit platters. It was plastic, right? Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Just be there living like a... Hey, that's the first thing I did. In the trunk of my car, I put four pair of hooping shoes

and a bag of just hoop gear. But this is a fact because when I went to Minnesota, this nigga was retired from the league. That nigga still had a bag of shoes

in the back of his car. Did you wear your hoop shorts under your pants? Absolutely. Yeah. We used to get busy at lunchtime.

Like, you didn't have time. Like, you had your shorts on. I was living in Philly at the time, so we always wore Tim. So you'd be hooping in Tim's.

But, you know, it was just different. But, yeah, you had shorts on underneath. That was normal. That's just kids, though. I just, like, bring it up for the nostalgia of the show. But, like, kids,

our kids don't understand that shit, bro. Yeah, we always wore shorts. I went to parties with my shorts. Like, nigga, I'm not about to go hoop. I'm really about to try to go get something, but like, I used to have my hoop shorts under my jeans. Real long hoop shorts, definitely under my jeans. Yeah. You were supposed

to pull your pants down a little bit at the parties. Man, you know what's crazy? I couldn't say it. The gal chose to hoop shorts combo is crazy. I couldn't say it. That's a wicked. The real question. Sorry, Taylor shorts combo is crazy. I couldn't sag. That's it with you. No, Gal Chops is crazy. The real thing is that you're crazy.

Sorry, J. Lo. This is what we do. I couldn't sag. Pops won't play in that. No, that's fair. Yeah, Pops won't play in it, so I'll always be like. Oh, no, we wasn't sagging. We was sagging at that party, though.

No, I used to be scared my pops would come in the party. Wherever I was, I used to be scared I'd get caught. And so I was always like on alert so he'd be like ah no second I bought

you know the little belts that is like one size fit all the little man they come in the motherfucking corgos yeah I had all that

I had all that that motherfucker went to play hey you know what's crazy hey you know what's crazy that belt's

weakest hand hey hey you know what I love though you know what's crazy? Hey, you know what's crazy? That belt's weak as hell. Hey, you know what I love, though? You know what I love, though? You got to have some RGT. Hey, nah. You know what I love? That with the denim.

You wouldn't think about it, right? All of our clothes came from Gap or Target. Yeah. We didn't wear like how now NBA kids wear like the Gucci and all that. But, Luke, take that belt out of them pants. We used to go shop at Wieners. We used to go shop at

all these different, like my mom used to be like, yo, we going shopping. You good, boy? I know, but you going to take that belt out of them pants. No, I mean, it worked. I need to hold my pants up. So it worked. That's how bad the shoe string is. Hey, that's how I... But I'm keeping it hold my pants up. So it works. That's how bad the shoestring is. Hey, that's all right. The shoestring and the pants.

But I'm keeping it hooked. I just don't leave it to me. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. So at the end of the day, I mean, that joke never. So when we used to get hooked, I didn't have to worry about lifting my pants up to go by nobody. They won't move it. They won't move it.

They won't move it. They won't move it. They won't move it. That's crazy. You get schooled by won't move it. That's crazy. You get schooled by Kobe Brown. Like, that's crazy. Yeah, so it was just like, for me, I just was like a sponge soaking up all the game. Is that the best high school basketball player you ever seen?

Yes. Because you saw LeBron, too. Yep. You saw him do. Can you speak on that? When you seen LeBron in high school with his workouts with the pros? That was a better showing. Kobe's showing with the sixes was a better showing than LeBron in high school with his workouts with the pros. That was a better showing. Kobe's showing with the Sixers was a better showing than LeBron.

Well, you got to think about it. Kobe had an impact on me as an individual. So I saw a different work ethic. I saw what it took to be a pro. Yeah. So the impact was a little bit different than what— Now, that could be my little brother's story about LeBron. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? But for me, I was in college when I first saw LeBron and my pops was coaching in Cleveland and I never I remember coming um I just got done with my like second year when I was going through everything and my pops was still in Cleveland so I used to fly back on like holidays or the summers and we was in Cleveland and now you know I trained with the guys and stuff like that. And my dad was like, man, it's a kid up here better than Kobe.

And I was like, man, whatever. Like that. He was like, yo, take your little brother. So my little brother's playing on LeBron's high school coach,

Drew's joy. Yes, sir. He had an AU team called Akron superstars. My little brother played on that team. Okay. And they practiced at the University of Akron. So I took my little brother to a practice one day,

and they were hooping in the back gym. Come to find out, a lot of the guys at local Akron was hooping in the back gym, while my brother-in-law was practicing. I was also hooping, too. So that's when I first saw LeBron. And when I first saw him, it was just, you know, it was some mouth sauce.

Oh, Chicago mouth sauce. That's just my opinion. It wasn't like, but then my dad started inviting him like he did with Kobe because he was like, man,

you know, I'm just going to get him a game and let him just come work out. I don't think nothing of it. I ain't trying. I don't want nothing from this kid. Just, you know,

let's get some good, some good bumping. So we had a little mini camp and my dad used to fly in guys from Ohio State Kansas you know guys

and we have a mini camp and we'll play against the rookies who was already there getting ready for summer league it was a little scrimmage

little mini camp and Bron came and like nobody was passing Bron the ball because everybody knew he was in high school and we was all like not passing the ball.

My dad like stopped practice. Like, hey, hey, hey, y'all little motherfuckers back, give him the ball.

He the best one on the court. Like not talking about his players, but he was just talking about guys on our team. And we like, man, whatever. So I had the ball,

I'm a point guard, so I can control everything. So I was just like, disgusted. I was like, man, here, like threw the ball to him, like, like he ain't gonna do nothing with it, so we'll get everything. So I was just disgusted. I was like, man, here. Threw the ball to him.

He ain't going to do nothing with it, so we'll get it right back. Hey, bro. Shit, get real. He on the right-hand side of the court. He's being guarded by Ricky Davis. He make a move. Beep, beep. Just do something.

Go baseline. So now you got Chris Mims, Sagana, Diop, Carlos Bula. The whole Cavs team, by the way. They all help side B, right? So they all come up. He jumps from outside the paint. Like, jumps. And like, Sagana, Chris Mims, they go to try to block.

And this man goes underneath the rim, reverses. Throws it in without looking at the rim, throws the ball, and then, you know, he lands on his feet, he throws, you know, he runs like this. And just keep going. Man, he got to ball every possession after that. Because it was unbelievable.

He's like, what else can he not, what else can you... Yeah, he unbelievable, though. No, he the, I got to coach him. And they still chose to hang on. You know what I'm saying? So I'm seeing that and I'm like, yo, he and then all of a sudden you get to see and then I'm around Maverick.

I'm around Rich. Before Rich became Clutch, Rich sold everybody the throwback jerseys out the trunk. Every throwback I got, I brought from Rich. That's great. That's wild. Every throwback Mitchell I got, I brought from Rich. That's great. Like, every throwback Mitchell in that jersey,

I brought from Rich. In Cleveland. He had a van. He used to sell out the van. That's where I got my jerseys from. He overcharged me too, but, you know,

we had to get them. The real stock X. Yeah, the real stock X. But yeah, so my, and then all of a sudden, you know,

my pops get fined 200,000 because all the other teams start complaining saying he had, you know, my pops get fined $200,000 because all the other teams started complaining, saying he had, you know, because he was going to be the number one pick. And then, you know, he got fired. You know, and then, you know, Ron ended up getting drafted by Khalid. But what them moments do for you? Because I know you leave Baylor and you go to OK State, and this is where we, like, I fell in love with your game

and found out who you was because at OK State y'all had a squad and you was hooping you was killing but I love St. Joe's and we gonna get to that game Jameer Nelson Delonte West

I wore t-shirts under my jersey because of him like I hooped in Barclays, Bronze and all that shit because of Jameer Nelson and

go ahead because you you fucked up my you fucked up my momentum because them niggas was cold And they was undefeated Nah they was They was doing they thing

They were cold They like my gene So when I Man I was a black Like God had my back bro That's all I can say Cause I literally I was literally going to Memphis

You gotta talk about your How you Yeah like I had Memphis Rutgers And Georgia And I was already like I'm going to Memphis Coach Calip like I had Memphis, Rutgers, and Georgia. And I was already like, I'm going to Memphis to coach Calipari.

I had been out there summer times, you know, like now that I coach, you know, you do go to different places and pick each other's brains. So my pops was doing that

like in between like jobs. He'd be like, I got to go to Memphis and we'll go to Memphis. He in there talking to coach Calipari. They talking X's and O's and now I'm practicing

with the team, shooting, getting my workout. So everywhere we went, I've's and O's. And now I'm practicing with the team, shooting, getting my workout. So everywhere we went, I've always worked out. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, man, Memphis, you know, that'd be a great look. Coach Cal, it was going to be,

Darius Washington was coming in. He'll be coming in my senior year. But then Victor Williams was, he went to Oklahoma State point guard. He was the man at Old State, too. Victor Williams was a point guard, and he did his draft workout with my pops. And he kept telling me, yo, you should go to Old State. You should go to Old State. By the time, I was wilding.

I had braids. I used to wear a grill. I remember them braids. I was Houston. So Paul Wall, one of my really good friends, so when that song, Let Me See Your Grills, came out, he made me six at the bottom, all diamond out. Man.

Your life's different, bro. And I was in a rap song. See, people don't even realize Paul Wall and Chameleon, they had this group called Color Changing Clips. Come on, bro. Still in love with my money. Yeah. And Paul Wall said, he said,

I swerved down to Baylor to watch John Lucas score and Jordan came back to the game because the game was bored. It was on the mixtape. Respect. So that was like my man. Niggas don't forget

them bars. Yeah. Hey. You know what I'm saying? You don't forget T-Gone to Baseline. Yeah, you don't forget stuff like that, right?

Niggas don't see T-Gone to Baseline. Right. You Yeah, you don't forget stuff like that, right? I said, see you going to the baseline. I said, you niggas don't ever forget too far. You don't forget it because at the end of the day, I wasn't even expecting it

because the mixtapes used to come out every Friday. So I'm up here driving back to Baylor and I just brought the mixtape that Color Change and I hear it.

I said, hold on, what did he say? I rewind it. And I was like, ooh, so I walked on campus and everybody got the mixtape that Color J and the Clipmix. And I hear it. I said, hold on, what did he say? I rewind it. And I was like, ooh, so I walked on campus. Now everybody got the mixtape. So everybody like,

oh shit, like Paul Wilde shot at you. I'm like, yeah, I'm playing it cool. I'm low key hype because he done put me on like, I'm at Baylor.

We trash. We like, maybe 10th in the 12th at the time. But we had a great squad. We just was running flex. So we had horses. We should have been running, but no, that's here and there.

So Victor Williams was like, man, you should take a visit to Oklahoma State. It'd be a perfect fit for you. You don't got a point guard. But at the time, the NCAA said we couldn't transfer. When they said all this,

we couldn't transfer in the conference. So I could go anywhere and not sit out. And then like two weeks later, they said y'all can transfer in the conference and you won't be penalized. Before the transfer.

So originally, I wanted to go to Texas. No, TJ left. He just got drafted. He was in there when Boobie was on their way in lock. No, TJ left. He just got drafted. He was in there with, Boobie was on their way in there. Boobie came, would be in my senior year. So Rick Barnes kept it a buck with me.

I'm like trying to like yell Rick Barnes, like I'm going to come to Texas. You already know what I can do. Well, my other teammate, Kenny Taylor, who was a shooter, he ended up going to Texas. And Rick Barnes kept it a buck because he was like,

yo, we committed to Daniel Gibson. And we don't want to bring you in was a shooter he ended up going to texas okay and rick barnes kept it a bug who's like yo we committed to daniel gibson and we don't want to bring you in because we might decommit right but he wouldn't come in into my senior year yeah so then i had to respect it so then i was like cool so then the legendary eddie sudden called me one day because of victor williams and i go up there. I had a, I never forget, I went up there,

I had my braids. Just my mom used to braid my hair so I had fresh braids. I had an Iceman, San Antonio, throwback jersey on. He fresh. He like,

you know what I'm saying? He fuzzin' the airpods. And I go visit, I go visit the campus, right? I'm like, man, it's the middle of nowhere. But I'm a city boy. Like,

now I'm eight hours away from Houston. I ain't, I'm not getting on no highway driving eight hours. You know? I'm like, man, it's the middle of nowhere. But I'm a city boy. Like, now I'm eight hours away from Houston. I ain't, I'm not getting on no highway driving eight hours. You know what I'm saying? And then the next best city is Oklahoma City.

Come on now. That was before Katie and them pulled up. Exactly. They didn't even have a team out there then. So, I went out there

and they didn't tell me I had to cut my hair. Damn. Like, my dad been wanting me to cut my hair because that's when the NBA was changing over to, like, appearances. And, you know, it's a business and stuff. But I was fighting. I was fighting.

I was like, I ain't cutting my hair. I'm going to wear my bra. AI was like, I'm watching. You know what I'm saying? And then TJ cut his hair. Like, right before the draft. Yeah. And then TJ, my dad had TJ call me. They like kind of talked me into coming out.

I was like, man, I ain't coming out. Like, y'all go on, brother. So I went to Oklahoma State, fresh braids and everything. I'm like, man, all right. You know, I'm looking at the team. I don't know who Tony Allen is. I mean, I know playing against them,

but I ain't know like the Grams because they was coming off a red shirt year because they transferred. I didn't know who Daniel Bobby was. I didn't know who a couple. But something in my spirit was like, this is where you need to be. Oh, that's right up. So when I was like, commit, they never said nothing about cutting my hair.

So then I was like, man, you know what, coach? I want to come here. So he was like, oh, you know, I got a couple of rules. I was like, okay. I'm thinking like, you know. He was like, one rule, you can't have braids. You can't have facial hair. Then you go back and look at our team. None of our guys got facial hair. And he was a one rule you can't have braids you can't have facial hair then you go back

and look at that team none of our guys got facial hair and he was the drum line motherfucking Major Payne and my dad was like awful yeah he probably

so I went back home I was like well let me think about that so I flew back to Houston and I was near my barber Marquette I walked in there I just freshly picked it up

and you know you had braids for a long time you still got the lines in your hair I had the braids I just freshly picked it up. And you know, you had braids for a long time. You still got the lines in your hair. Yeah, I had the braids. I was like, chop it off. He was like, what? My mama was mad. Because she was like, that's somebody.

That's another man trying to control you. Like, she very military. Yeah, that's right up. And my dad was all for it. So I ended up cutting my hair. And I committed in Oklahoma State. And they didn't have no scholarships. So I didn't even care.

I was like, we're going to pay for school. So I ended up my junior year of the year. I won the Big 12 Player of the Year, John Naismith Award, first team All-American. I'm just giving you a little bit of accolades. No, I'm just talking. Talk your shit, bro. But I was a walk-on.

Yeah, respect. Greatest walk-on ever. Greatest walk-on ever. And people didn't know I was a walk-on. Yeah, respect. Greatest walk-on ever? Greatest walk-on ever. And people didn't know I was a walk-on. I paid my junior year. Go do it. They already came out with the facts. They already did it.

They already been mad. They already been mad. Look at my grandfather. He's a limousine. Shout out to the WACO Texas president. So I ended up paying my junior year. So the year we went to the Final Four and stuff like that, I was a walk-on.

I wasn't even on scholarship. I didn't go on scholarship until my senior year. Until my senior year, I went on scholarship. I was going to say, Boots is out of pocket. They should have made that happen. Did you say Boots? Scottie Pippen was a walk-on? Walk-on.

He's the greatest walk-on. Yeah, I got to give it to him. I got to give it to him. You know, I got to give it to him. He in Chicago, so yeah. Scottie might be the best walk-on ever. Scottie didn't take that shot to get him to the Final Four, though. No. Shout out to Jay Luke.

That Elite A game was big, though. Yeah, let's talk about that. That was about to paint, baby. That was my favorite scene. We was talking before the podcast. Jameer Nelson was definitely fresher than you in college when it came to the shoes. But you had a good game that game. Let's not talk about De'Aaron Nelson.

He top five. Top five. Thanks. All the time when it comes to college shoes. Shout out to Jaden. Jamerion, every time he see me, he curse me out. But his shoe game won't bat him. Nah, you crazy.

I mean, you could just. You had a Nike deal. I didn't have a Nike deal. You had a Nike deal. I didn't have a Nike deal. You had a Jordan deal. I didn't have a Jordan deal. Oh, okay. Because, you know, there wasn't no NIL at the time.

Yeah. So, Pops had that. Pops had a Nike deal. So, I just took advantage of what Pops had. Millennials. That's that platinum shit.

That's that platinum shit. And so, at the time, like, now you can go on Nike Elite and order it because you get a little... Back then,

they used to bring you a magazine and you had to go in there and order a magazine. Oh, you used to old school. Oh, I'm 42. Yeah, I know. So it's like, you know, I've seen the transition. So I used to make a point that when I first got to Oklahoma State, I was going to wear a different pair of shoes every game. Yeah. But then if I would have cooked, like you go to my locker, I had over 30 pairs of shoes in my locker at school. Yeah, really? DJ Tucker. But then, if I would have cooked, like you go to my locker,

I had over 30 pairs of shoes in my locker at school. Yeah, really. If I had cooked in a shoe, I would stay with that shoe. I was superstitious, so I would wear the same socks and then I ended up putting the socks on the same way. So if I ever put my right sock on first, it would always be my right sock

first, then my left sock, and then I'd go hoop and I'd score another 20 ball. I do the same thing. So them 2K4s were why we saw them so much. The 2K4s, I had, you know, it's something about my step back in them 2K4s. I got so much separation. I can only go right though. No, right

would be a fade away, two foot fade away. My left would be the gather step. And then my left would be a step back. Like I didn't. It didn't matter however you want it. But it was going to be a step back. Yeah.

But I wasn't that type player. I wasn't a one-on-one player. Like the ISO, my ISO game was trash. You didn't have no sham guard or nothing? No, I didn't have nothing. I just put you in the pick and roll. I used to hit my hip and I had Ivan McFarlane, Joey Graham come to the pick and roll. And then I bump you hip and I had Ivy McFarlane, Joey Graham

come to the pick and roll and then I'd bump you, put you on my hip, reed, reed, reed and then I'd see the low man, he might put it on. And that's what you

was teaching Youngstrow. I was trying to, he didn't want to listen. He wanted to be Jamal Crawford. Yeah, he wanted to be Jamal Crawford. I had 50.

But I just learned, like, I didn't have that one-on-one game. And now you should see this nigga now. You have to in the pick and roll. You have to go here.

Put him on your fucking head. I'm not going to say it again. Get him on your head. Where the fuck is John? Coach T. I'm going to call John on FaceTime. I'm serious, bro. I just used to put He right though

But he right though But the things that I was trying to Tell him back then It's like bro That's the game And I said I just used to try to

Make the game as easy As possible for me Yeah That's all you try to do Like if I came out there Cause my dad was like You got.5 decision making Easy to catch you to go

He was like Ain't no coach Gonna give making. Easy to catch you to go. He was like, ain't no coach going to give you five, six dribble to get your shit off. Yeah. So my catch, if I was wide open for three, it was going up. If I saw you close out, I was going back. If I was going right, it was going to be a gather fade away to my right because I wasn't going all the way to the pink because I probably got it blocked. If I go left, it was a step back. And I made sure I had the right angle.

Just in case you showed me any kind of contest, I was a step back. And I made sure I had the right angle just in case you showed me any kind of contest, I was going off the glass. So it was like, I knew my spots. I want to move to your overseas run. How was that? Like, did you feel like

you had to transition your game when you went overseas for a little bit? Yes. Yes. So you do all this at Oklahoma State. Yeah. You're killing. I went undrafted. Undrafted. Average 17. Yes So you do all this At Oklahoma State Yeah

You killing I went undrafted Undrafted Average 17 Crazy 17 and 5 Imagine coming out right now Average 17

I'm I'm lottery Problem Now Yeah damn Yeah yeah yeah 100% I mean people in the lottery

Getting drafted With 6 points coming out 8 points Yes That potential Yeah So it's like I was like And my dad told me Like I was like Watching I was like a lot of you getting drafted is with six points coming out, eight points. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, I was like,

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He went to the casino. Him and my mom went to the casino. That's crazy. He knew. That's about worse. My situation is a little worse than yours. Your dad had an inside scoop. I think he already knew I wasn't going to get drafted.

I'm up here sitting in front of the TV like this, waiting. The Rockets, the 25th pick, they took Luther Head. Shout out Luther Head. But I'm like, huh? I worked out for every team. My agent at the time was David Foe. Shout out Luther Head Shout out Luther Head But I'm like Huh? Like I'm like

I worked out for like Every team And my agent at the time Was David Falk Who was MJ's agent But my dad was David Falk's First client ever

Yeah So it was like That was family So I went with him Off top Right His life His life is crazy

So it was just like Okay And then like David was like Oh Back in the day, they used to pair you with whoever the super,

he had everybody. So just imagine like Jeff Teague is the man, right? And I'm a rookie, but he a rookie, like he a free agent, but he the highest free agent.

So back in the day, the agents used to be like, oh, if you want Jeff, you're going to have to take here and here. Package deals. So package deals.

So that's what it was like when I came out. It was package. It's not like that anymore. But to take yeah package deals so package deals so that's what it was like when I came out it was package it's not like that anymore but it was like package deals so I was like oh David Ford got KG he got everybody

yeah so I didn't get drafted so then I went to go what happened I went I played in three different summer leagues

I played in Vegas they had one in Minnesota at the time. They had New York, Minnesota. They didn't have Rolando yet? New York, uh-uh.

They had Boston. Boston was the other one. Okay. And they had Long Beach. Damn. So it was New York. In Minnesota, it was Cleveland,

New York, Indiana, Minnesota. So it was just a four-team summer league at the Target Center. That was my rookie year. And then I left there, and I

ended up playing with Cleveland Cavaliers in Vegas for their summer league. But I ended up signing with the Minnesota Timberwolves as a rookie. So my rookie year, they drafted Bracey Wright,

and they drafted Rashad McKenzie. Those were their two picks. And then I was the third rookie, but I was undrafted. I signed a camp deal. Yeah. And so we had Marco Yarich. We had Lionel Chalmers,

who played Xavier, who was a dog. And we had Troy Hudson. Troy Hudson with the break. But then KG was there. Wally Zerbiak. You know, Fred was there. Mad Dog was there. So I'm a rookie.

So I'm there all summer. Dwayne Casey's the head coach. He just got the coaching job. So I'm there all summer. I'm training. Boom, we go training. I'm actually doing, I'm like averaging like seven, eight points. When I'm getting my times only in the fourth quarter, I'm very efficient.

So I end up making the team. And then I went to bed that night. Matter of fact, you're not going to believe this because, but I think it was like Floyd Mayweather, somebody had a fight and I was staying at the Radisson Hotel. You know the Radisson

Hotel right there. And that's where they had all the rookies staying at. So one day KG was like, yo, come to my house. We're going to watch the fight. I'm like, all right, cool. So at the time, his wife Brandy picked me up.

And she was like, yo, where your stuff at? I'm like, huh? I thought I was just going to watch the fight. He was like, nah, KG said you're moving with her. Nah, you told me it was a four-shot.

Yeah, I know you know. So I'm like, huh? So I go upstairs, pack my bags real quick. So KG House, unbelievable. So I had the whole guest house to myself. His best friend is like T. Lou and Chauncey Billups. So the guest house was called the Billups Estate.

Because I guess when his family come there, that's where they would stay. So I stayed in the guest house. So I didn't have my car at the time. He just brought this brand new CLS, Cherry Beans, for his wife. She hated the color. So he threw me the key. He threw me the key. He's like, yo, this your car, young fella.

Paper plates and everything. I'm the only person in Minnesota, rookie, with the CLS, 22-inch rim. Drive in. I'm like, I'm not on contract. Damn. You know what I'm saying? My boy out here living. I'm living. So we playing. I'm not on contract. Damn. You know what I'm saying? My boy out here living. I'm living.

So we playing and I'm doing my thing. Like, and so I make the team. I go to bed that night. I'm like, man, I'm like praying.

Like, thank you God. Like, ooh, I go to bed. I wake up the next morning. They made a trade. They made a trade.

So I'm walking into the facility getting ready for the first day of official practice. They make a trade. So I'm walking into the facility getting ready for the first day of official practice. They make a trade for Ronald Dupree from the Pistons. So Kevin McHale pulled me to the office and they had to cut me. KG calls a fit.

Like that was like the fall of like KG like leaving Minnesota. So KG's like, you ain't going nowhere, Lord. Lord, you ain't going nowhere. Like that. So he got me like leaving Minnesota. Damn. So KG's like, you ain't going nowhere, Lord. Lord, you ain't going nowhere. Like that. So he got me staying in Minnesota.

He got me staying in Minnesota for two weeks. They trying to figure it out. Damn. And my dad come, he's like, man, we don't bring your ass home. Like, you know what I'm saying?

I kid you not. So I go home to Houston, right? And we get back to training now I'm in the My name automatically goes into the It's the D-League at the time But I didn't even go through the draft Because my name was so big in Oklahoma

They allocated me to go to Tulsa With the 66ers And So I end up Playing like the first two months of the season In Tulsa and I'm averaging like 18, 20

I get my first call up so I get a call up to my hometown team Houston Rockets yes sir we played against the Warriors I'll never forget it played against the Warriors

that's when they had Stack 5 they had Baron Davis that's what we believe Warriors for sure you know what I'm saying so I check in at the game like last two minutes

of the game it was like I'm saying? So I check in at the game, like last two minutes of the game. I'm like running out there with my head cut off, like a chicken with his head cut off. And I got a rebound. I done stole the ball. Like I'm just moving so fast. I'm going crazy. And we end up losing that game. So then I end up going.

And this wasn't the 10th day. I just got called up because 10 days haven't started yet so we end up my next game is in D.C. a lot of people don't know I was born in D.C.

so I got family in D.C. my pops was playing for the Bullets at the time so me and my sister were born in D.C. originally but I don't

associate myself with D.C. because we moved when I was like two years old to Houston so I'm from Houston I scored my first NBA buck against Chucky Atkins we just talked about I associate myself with D.C. because we moved when I was like two years old in Houston. So I'm from Houston. I scored my first NBA bucket against Chucky Atkins.

We just talked about Chucky Atkins. That was my first NBA bucket against Chucky Atkins. Yao Ming comes set the side pick and roll for me coming to my right hand. And I hit a floater. And my aunt, my dad's sister at the time, she was in the stand. So I had a family member in the stand. So that was my first NBA bucket, was a floater at the arena. But, yeah.

And then I got cut the next, then we got cut the next day. I got cut the next day because- That nigga Journey's crazy. No, but I got cut the next day because they had to let me go, so they went and paid extra in taxes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I ended up flying back with the team to Houston. I had to miss one day of practice, and then 10 days started. Yeah. So then went and paid extra in taxes. So I ended up flying back with the team to Houston. I had to miss one day of practice and then 10 days started. So then me and Chuck Hayes both signed 10 day contracts

and then I signed another 10 day after that. And then they had to make a decision or were they going to keep me for the rest of the year or they was going

to let me go. So they ended up letting me go. They kept Chuck Hayes. So I ended up going back to Tulsa, finished up that year. And then that's when I went to Europe. Then a team in Italy called me to go play in the playoffs.

And that's when I played with Poo Allen. Yeah. You know, Poo Allen, University of Pennsylvania. He coached me in Boston. Correct. So Poo was, I replaced, I didn't replace him. He was injured. So I was kind of like coming in on his spot.

And I've never been overseas a day in my life. And so I was like, oh, no, I was ready to check out. I'm like, they put me in a hotel. You know, you in the NBA, you used to. And they put me in a hole in the wall. And then I was like, I'm claustrophobic a little bit. So I went to go raise the window. No light come in because they had a metal sheet over the window.

I'm like, oh, man, they got me in jail. But I didn't know that was their blinds, was a metal sheet to keep the... You know, so if I were the one like this, then the metal sheet goes up. I didn't know that. And the bed was small. I was like... And my dad, I called my dad. I was like,

man, I'm about to swipe the card. Just know I'm about to swipe the card. And I'm coming home. They can keep this bread. I'm just going to get ready for summer league. My dad was like, just go to swipe the card. Just know I'm about to swipe the card. And I'm coming home. They can keep this bread. Like, I'm just going to get ready for summer league. My dad was like, just go to the first practice. He was like, just go to it. Because, you know, when I get around ball, I'm in my comfort zone. I'm straight.

So I went to my first practice. And I was like, okay, let me, I can do one more day. And then I just kept letting. And then that was my first time playing in Europe. And I played, only played playoffs. I got 35,000 for seven games.

That was more than my G League contract. My D League contract because at the time. That was a year in G League, right? No less. Yeah.

G League was My biggest contract in the D League was, we had, so this is what I feel like they should bring to the NIL because this shit getting out of hand. I was just speaking about this. In the D LeagueLeague was... So this is what I feel like they should bring to the NIL because this shit getting out of hand.

I was just speaking about this. In the D-League at the time, you had three contracts. You had an A contract, you had a B contract, and you had a C contract. So this is the game. You had two top dogs.

You had the A contract. And the A contract was $25,000. Oh, that was the A? That was the A. The B contract was $18,500. The C contract was around 15-something And how many games Did y'all play a week?

Energy? Three You played three? And so me And Bernard King Was on the A contract Bernard King That went to Texas A&M

What? No no no No no I'm not saying Nigga where was you born? And then we And then we had Will Conroy,

who's doing his thing at USC. He was at Washington, but now he's at USC. He was a teammate of mine. Okay. Right? And he was a point guard.

So Will and I used to bump heads all the time because he thought he should be playing more than me. But he just made each other better. You know what I'm saying? And when I get called up, he will start.

But when I come back, I get my spot back. And it will always call friction because he'll be hooping you know what I'm saying but our coach at the time Coach Myers wouldn't be like

oh we're going to ease you back in I was like no you can't when you're coming back you just get your spot right so it called out I only made $25,000 my first year

as a professional as a professional player then I went to Italy and made the $35,000 so my man I went to Italy and made the 35. So, my man, I'm looking at,

I made like 70,000. A little bit of some change. My first year as a professional athlete. And so, I was like, man, I'm not going back overseas.

Whatever it is. But I'm just saying, but I made other money besides that. We have bonuses though. I have bonuses in my thing. So, yeah, I made other money besides that. We have bonuses, though. I have bonuses in my thing. So, yeah, I have bonuses and stuff.

Like, if I scored a certain amount of points, I got, like, because Europe is different, you get bonuses. So, I told my partner, man, I ain't going back overseas. What was your, I mean, what was the difference, though? What you mean? Lifestyle. And I was home. I couldn't understand nothing nobody was saying in Italy.

Oh, yeah. Me either. What's the game, though? What's the game? The game is very strategic. I want you to give them the game on that. The game is very strategic. They want me to be a playmaker.

They really want me to be a point guard. Oh, okay. That nigga is too good. But I'm a points guard. Points. I got points. And I usually get frustrated because we'll be losing.

They put me in the game and I score a quick 15 and they take me out of the game. I'm like, yo, I'm on five. Why you take me out of the game? They'll go back and Pablo Puglione was my teammate.

Pablo. Pablo. Crazy. So I would be like, man, I'm cooking him every day in practice. You know what I'm saying? Why he playing? Like, over me. So I never, I didn't fit Europe., I'm cooking him every day. You know what I'm saying? Why he playing?

Like, oh, me. So I never, I didn't fit Europe. But I played EuroLeague. Like, we lost in the Final Four in EuroLeague. I played on some good teams. But I was like, bro, like, y'all put me in the game when we down. And then when I get us back in the game, y'all take me out. Yeah.

Who was the coach you saw over there when he was across the water? Bellinelli. Marco Bellinelli. I think it was the first. He played for Rome. And then the other one was... He was playing in New Orleans. He ran off about 10

screens. What's the one that... And the big man who got drafted by Toronto first round. Bellinelli? No, Bariani. Bariani was the other one. I played him in Italy. Bariani. Bariani was the other one I played him in Italy Barjani Barjani was the other one Barjani was nice but in Spain

in Spain my teammate was Tiago Splitter damn Tiago I played with him with the Lennons so we lost

so that was the year I won so people don't even realize I won a D-League championship with the Colorado 14ers I left them that's a motherfucking name 14ers

I got some names out of it so it was me say it again 14ers. I left them. That's a motherfucking name. I was the first to last year, then. So it was me, our Colorado 14ers. We need to pull a jersey. They should have did better. I had Sonny Williams on my team.

So we had an NBA team. Vernon Hamilton was on that team. You probably played against Vernon D. Hamm. So we all was team. We ran through. We ended up beating Salt Lake City Stars in the championship. That's more like a regular name. Two days later, I'm in Spain playing for the EuroLeague championship.

And then we ended up losing in the Final Four. And then we ended up losing to Barcelona in the ACB championship. So I could have tried to win three championships in one year. That's fire. But back to like my first year, after I came back from Italy, I said, I'm not going back to Europe. So I ended up playing summer league with the Rockets. I should have got MVP of summer league.

But technically I wasn't a rookie because I played. So Randy Floyd that year is when Nate went crazy and that. And then Randy Foy was a rookie that year with Minnesota. Yep. I averaged 28,

8, and 8 in summer league with the Houston Rockets. Guess who my coach was? Your dad? No. Oh. Guess who my coach was? Fuck with your coach.

Tom Thibodeau. Thibs! My nigga! Shout out to you, my nigga. Thibs read every play for me. That's, if you. Thibs, my nigga! Thibs read every play for me. If you know Thibs, if he like you, you're going to get every play called. What did he call for?

I had angles. I had side pick and roll. Everything was me coming off the pick, getting to all my sweet spots. He said, if you see the rim, you let it go. I had Pat Carroll who played for St. Joseph. He was on my team, so I got a lot of assists

from him. But tell them if you, like, people, you've been with Tibbs. Yeah, Tibbs is my favorite coach. Tibbs, I love coaches like Tibbs. My best careers

in the NBA was coaches that fell underneath the same umbrella. So Tibbs, Van Gundy, and Stan Van Gundy. They all the same. They all the same. They all the same.

They one and the same. They one and the same. Played for Jeff. Played for Jeff. And, and, and, yep.

Houston, Jeff was my coach. Yeah. And then, Tills was my workout guy. So, every day, I worked out with Tills.

They one and the same. Damn. Every day, until Yao Ming steps on court, then I had to move to the side, then it was time for Yao Ming to get his work done. Most definitely.

But, Was T-Mac there then too? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's right for Austin. Yeah. To my load. They one and the same.

You know, we, so T-A-S-E ended up coaching summer league. I averaged 28, 88. I signed my contract in the bathroom. I signed a three-year contract

for 1.9 million. Nigga. And that ain't no, that's bread. Nigga trying to get back home. That's no bread. Because if they're here for 1.9,

you just trying to get back home. That's no bread. It's bread, but it's no bread. Because if they're here for 1.9, you just try and get back home. That's no bread. It's bread, but it's no bread. But at the time, you know, I'm like... You trying not to go back home. No, I should have went

to New Orleans instead. I should have been Chris Paul back home. What they want to know? Well, I should have just left the city of Houston when I was in Houston. You probably got three for three.

It was too much. He was in love. Huh? He was in love with being at home. How would they be not? I'm home. That was a great time in Houston. It was a much. He was in love. Huh? He was in love with being at home. Out every night. I'm home. That was a great time in Houston, if you don't know.

It was a great time. Houston was fortunate. And I'm the prince of the city. Like, you know, I'm out every night. You be here every night. You the prince of the city? I'm out.

You the prince of the city? No, I'm being specific. Just imagine, like... I'm a real prince of Houston. I don't know about you, but I'm a little three. You got I'm a real. I'm a real. I don't know about you. I'm a three. You got to have a battle in the club. Hey, bro.

I don't go to clubs no more, but. Nah, I was him. Yeah. I was him before everybody started saying he was him. Yo, Joe, that motherfucker weak in the bitch on that. What? The Denver 10. The Denver 14?

Yeah, Kobe. You know, it's just some heat. You know, it's just some heat. I keep trying to tell you. The 14ers was weak. The 14ers was a crazy team. You had some Kobe though. You had some Kobe. You know, it's just some heat. You know, it's just some heat. I keep trying to tell you. The 14ers was weak. The 14ers was a crazy team. It was a crazy team. We had a good team though.

What color were they? Which one? The Kobe's? No, not the Kobe's. You would be sick of it. Oh, it was blue.

It was like the it was blue. Blue gold. It was like the Denver Nuggets. It was like the Denver Nuggets. It was like the Denver Nuggets, y'all. You know, I can tell you exactly. The 14ers is cool.

Let me show you something. You on a high one. Step back was coming on that one. I see it. I see it coming, right? The step back coming on that, I was going left. I see the feet. I was going left.

I'm sure it ain't bad. Shout out to the 14ers. No, I had a nice little hairline and then it just disappeared one day. It disappeared one day. So you go from Houston and now you got to make your way in the NBA.

You know, you signed your three-year deal. You back at the city. What's that journey like? In Houston? I mean, you get to Houston. You got your three-year deal. Man, I stayed at my parents' house.

You ain't the only one. No, like my dad was like, you ain't gonna get no spot. I was like looking for places. He was like, no, you're gonna stay right here.

You're gonna stay right here. What's it like? You're gonna stack your money up. I had to tell the sneak girls at my mom and daddy's house when I moved back to India. No, I was just,

you know, hotel room, only about 200. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we had that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I finally got a that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

I finally got a little paper in my pocket. Y'all going to a house doing 40s. 40 in the evening? He going to a trap house. Yeah, he a trap house. I got them clear. But the thing is, my dad, I didn't realize, he was like,

bro, you ain't really making money like that because taxes and everything come in. He was like, you, you ain't really making money like that because taxes and everything come in. He was like, you just stay at the house. Your mama cook every night. We ain't going to bother you. Yeah. I don't give a damn when you come home. It don't matter if you come home or not.

You grown. But he was like, you stack your bread. So what I used to do with my first check, I used to keep a check, and then I send a check to my financial people. I keep a check, send the next check to my financial people. So it was just like, I was just thinking,

but my habit was I would buy jewelry. Yeah, I know that about you. So, like my thing was like, I was like, okay,

I'm going to get a new chain. So my dad was like, he'll let me make those mistakes. Like he was like, oh, you got a new chain? I know. Oh,

you got a new watch? And you got a new bracelet? Like he just kept, it was okay like he just let me you know cause he was like he gone

everybody gotta go through them but he I was like it was a teaching lesson but I'm thinking like I'm doing good saving but then when you go to Jew

or you see a new chain you want to you try to trade in your chain and it's the same chain you just brought from like two weeks ago but he trying to knock off 3,000

of the price so it was like the value difference so you just learn as you just brought from him like two weeks ago, but he trying to knock off $3,000 of the price. Yeah. So it was like a value difference. So you just learn as you go. My pops was like, everything my pops did for me was a learning lesson. I call him the blueprint. Nah, your pops is the blueprint. He the goal, definitely.

I call him the blueprint. For real. But yeah, I stayed home and, yeah. How long did you stay home though? You stayed home for three years? Well, I stayed two years and then they fired Jeff. They brought in Rick Aderman.

And we brought back Steve Francis. We brought back Mike James. Old school Mike James. And then we just drafted Aaron Brooks. We had myself. We had Rayford Alston.

You coached that nigga. A.B. We had myself. We had Rafe Alston. Ain't that crazy you coached that nigga? That's my nigga too. Shout out to A.B. Wherever you are in the world, I'll fuck with you. So we had seven point guards all under guaranteed contracts. That's crazy. So I tried to get cut. I was like, I'm going to go play for another team.

But they owe me like 700. But they wanted me to get money back. And my daddy always told me, you don't get no money back. So I just went into training camp. And I just played my heart out. Like, I was about to change their minds. They just brought back Steve Francis for $4 million, gave Mike James $4 million.

And they trying to trade Ray for Austin. They drafted Aaron Brooks. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, I went in there. And then I had a hell of a preseason. And then they kept me all the way to the end. And Rick Adaman was trying to figure out a way to keep me on because I actually was playing football. And I just got frustrated.

And when they cut me, I was still getting paid. And I was just like, you know what? I'm going to enjoy the holidays. Most definitely. So I enjoyed Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's, and then I was itching to play, and then that's when I called my agent and said, okay, I'm ready to go play. And so I did my second stint in Europe with a EuroLeague team called Benetton.

It's not there anymore, but it was in Treviso. And Reese Gaines was a teammate of mine, Mario Austin. Reese Gaines, Louisville legend. And then Lionel Chalmers was a teammate of mine. Mario Austin. And then Lionel Chalmers was a teammate of mine who I went against in Minnesota. Xavier Legend. Yeah, so it was just like that. And then we ain't going to talk about that situation. But I ended up leaving that situation.

I got picked up by the Seattle Supersonics. But the way I left in Italy, they held my release papers. So I took my physical and air scene to play the last year with the Seattle Supersonics, which was Jeff Green and KD's rookie year. And, yeah, I'm about to run out on the court, and Sam Presley pulled me to his side and said, they won't give us your release papers.

So they ended up signing the boy from y'all hometown, Eddie Gill. Eddie Gill Eddie Gill little point oh he talking about he worked with the Pacers he worked with the Pacers but Eddie

they end up and Eddie Gill got that got them last 30 days when I was supposed to get that cost me like I'm being like cost me at least

275 so then then OKC then Seattle ended up moving to OKC and I end up playing on OKC and then Seattle ended up moving to OKC and I ended up playing on OKC team.

Yeah. So listen, man. Had a couple great songs. We got to ask you a couple before we get out of here. Let's talk about the Bulls situation. We in Chicago.

Obviously great weekend honoring D. Rose. How was it playing in the city of Chicago, man? Best city ever. Mm. Yeah. It ain't the best city ever,

but it's a really nice city For basketball wise No Indianapolis is Don't let them shit on your story No actually It's nothing like Walking on the same hallway Jordan and Pippen And all them walking

Every night in and out And then it sold out You saying the NBA Yeah I'm saying And it sold out Every game It did sold out And we was the number one team

In the NBA Y'all was lit I killed y'all though But y'all was lit We still won the battle You know what I'm saying Yeah Our whole thing

Y'all won the war We won We won everything about it They won the battle And the war We won everything about it Like we They almost

They almost had us In the playoffs They almost had us In the playoffs Shout out to Smooth. We used to love when Smooth made his first shot because we was like, oh, he going to take away Jeff's shots. He going to take away Joe Johnson's shot

because he going to think he on. And that's what happened in the playoffs. We ended up beating y'all game six. And when he hit that first shot in Atlanta in that game six, we was all on the bench like, oh, yes. Like, we got him. We got him. Hold on.

First of all. We're doing it to my nigga Smooth. We're not doing it to number five. But Smooth's my man. But I'm just saying, he would be owned. So, you know, as any scorer would be, you see the ball going, you're going to think you own. But now you're taking shots because Jeff and Joe was cooking us that series.

I was having a moment it was playing it was playing great basketball but we just had we had Poo D and and Poo would do

some you know that's MVP he did some unbelievable stuff what's that like like you know

you've been a part about you've been around Kobe you've been around some great players when before damn D Rose got hurt Poo before he got hurt like You've been around Kobe. You've been around some great players. When Paul, before D-Rose got hurt, before he got hurt,

where did you rank him? What did you see? Because niggas were scared of him. We used to have this thing called the Rose Flu. People was ducking him. Some of y'all favorite players was ducking him. I'm going to say that in the camp. Some of y'all favorite players now was ducking him. And we seen it. I ain't going to say no in the camp. Some of y'all favorite players now was ducking him. Fuck that shit. And we seen it.

Yeah. I ain't going to say no names because he's all colleagues of my brother. But we like, we'll be, we used to mess with like the other point guards on the team

because, you know, sometimes he'd be playing, sometimes, you know, we'd be like, oh, he playing today? Oh, he playing today? We used to warm up saying that. And all of a sudden,

like we get the report before the game start. So-and-so out with an ankle injury. But we just saw him work out. A full workout before the game. I noticed that. I kid you not. Nobody wanted to have smoke with that man.

I ain't going to lie. The kids today not even going to realize how much of an impact with how good D-Rose was. No, he was unbelievable. He was unbelievable. And he practiced hard. Do you think Ja Morant is comparable? No. He was unbelievable,

bro. Ja Morant is special. Ja Morant is special. They're two different... I see the similarities in certain things. I'm just asking if he would compare. But I don't think you can compare anybody to him at that time. He was an animal, bro. I'm just...

Night in, night out, practice every day, seeing it. You know, you just... And at that time, no disrespect to the point guards. Now, it was just like an elite level of point guards. Yeah, D. Will. Every point guard was called Rondo, CP, Steve Nash,

D. Will, like he said. Every team point guard was just nasty. It was like you had young every team point guard was just nasty. It was like you had young Kimba, Brandon Jennings. He separated himself just from everybody. He was just. Steph was in the league. Steph was in the league. But you had Monte Ellis.

Monte Ellis. All of them was in the league. You know, it was just, he was different. Drew Holiday was still like. He was different. And you could tell how this, you know what's crazy, how the city, how the city showing him love for this,

what we're out here for. Right. Just imagine him, he brought that energy they're giving him now. He brought that every night because he wasn't going to let the city down.

Yeah. Nah, I mean. He did it more than just for him and his family. He did it for the, for the shot. Playing against him at that time,

like, I had guarded, like, all the fire point guards at that time, I had guarded all the fire point guards at this time. Him, it was just like, nah, this nigga just got a different gear. I wasn't scared of nobody. Playing basketball was funny. I wasn't

scared of him. I played him in high school. Then you get every... They used to run his forehead play. They run it every time down. You like, what the fuck? And he just never stopped. He had missed two shots. You're like, yeah, motherfucker.

He can't shoot. The next four possessions, he's attacking you. He never quit. He's like, yo, that's why I tell you, I didn't guard Steph. I didn't guard Kyrie. I didn't guard... You name him.

D-Will, CP. D-Rose was the most like, he was crazy, bro. I'm like, yeah, this nigga different. Who next in line, though? He guarded some hitters. So you got D-Rose, who you got next in line? Like, who I just couldn't stand to guard.

Like, Steph is annoying because he's not even like a point guard. Just constant moving. He, like, throw the ball and then all of a sudden he started running. Kyrie?

Kyrie? Kyrie is like guarding a two-guard, like guarding Kobe Bryant. He's going to post you up. He's going to do all that stuff. But, like, I'd rather guard Kyrie

because I know where he's going to catch the ball. Right. Like, D-Rose, he bringing the ball up. He getting a pick and roll. He might call a pick and roll off. He might ISO you.

Like, you didn't know. And it was all, like, attacking. Like, Kyrie might jab you, jab you three. And if he hit three, you could test. You just got to live with it. D. Rose wasn't shooting no threes.

He was getting to that buggy. He was straight at you. North to south. You either go on getting a foul or you getting scored on. North to south. And either go on getting a foul or you get scored on. North to south. And then Westbrook was kind of like similar.

Only thing that held Westbrook back is like he had KD and James at this time. Yeah. And it's like not holding back, but you knew like at some point in time, these two guys touched the rock. Right. Rosen had it. Luau was gonna cut he was finding all them

nobody had no set plays it was just really D-Rose gonna make the plays for everybody else but he was ferocious bro yeah he was and you know

it made us so good that we had great players but everybody knew they wrong yeah they accepted that role we all accepted that role I knew I wasn't gonna play if CJ and D-Rose was healthy you know but I had to stay ready cause tears were always accepted that role. We all accepted that role. I knew I wasn't going to play if CJ and D-Rose was healthy.

But I had to stay ready because Tibbs would always, because of my shooting ability, he would throw me in at the two guard to spread the court out. Now my guy would go help D-Rose because he's drawing

some more attention, kick out of me. So you always had this, even though I knew like, okay, they healthy, I might not play today. But I was just, I was just, I was just...

I always wanted to be one of the 1%. What happened when LeBron jumped over you? I don't know how I got to that, but... I was just thinking about the Chicago Jets. I was going to slide. You were 15, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's all I had seen.

That's the day. I was going to slide to my nigga transitioning from basketball to coaching. But we're here. We're here. I mean, shit. Hold on. You woke up and everybody was.

And that shit was everywhere. That's on LeBron. I'm being the Hall of Fame. Yeah. No, every time. I'm being the Hall of Fame, bro. Every time the playoffs start. And I'm cool with it.

JL3 is. Hey, what were you thinking when he just threw you out? I wasn't thinking. I ain't see it happen until we call timeout and they put on the jumble. Why don't you electric slide to the left? Because of Rip Hamilton. I can't wait for him to get here. Y'all understand? Yeah, because it was Rip Guy.

Yeah. He was supposed to drop back. I called the pick out. He was supposed to drop back. He was supposed to be the low man. But, you know, we so defensively minded with Tibbs. Okay, you got caught up on the screen. So, let me, I supposed to drop back. He supposed to be the low man. But, you know, we so defensively minded with Tibbs. Okay, you got caught up on the screen, so let me, I got to take your spot. And that goofy ass player, they still running to this day. You know, Mario, who is one of my really good friends. When he did that, I didn't talk to him for like two days.

He could, I didn't talk to him. Bro, he jumped. And when I looked, I was like, damn, who he throwing that to? And then, like that, but that is my mindset. I was like, damn, who he throwing that to? And then, like that, but that is my mindset. I'm like, yo, who he throwing that to? And when I looked up and you see me like this, all I see is feet. And I'm like, he dunked it and he had a nerve to look back at me. Yeah, he did.

Right? So my mindset was like, yo, Harry will take the ball. I'm going to run down and go get a bucket. Yeah. But Tim's calling timeout. So now when Tim's calling timeout. So now when Tim's calling timeout, we saying now Tim's in the middle with Andy and all them.

And now they got it going over the jumbotron. Everybody like, in Miami, you know, they wear all white at the game. So you looking up and it's all white. And they like,

oh, they going crazy. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, and then he sucked me out. Damn. I didn't know that. I was playing that time. If you watch the time, I'm about to get back in the game. He put poo back in the game.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, man. So I didn't really get my lick back until two weeks later. So they came here. But what saved me was like two days later that's when I'm because I was number one for like

a lot until until Blake Griffin dunked on Kendrick Perkins and threw the ball in without touching the ground and then he became number one and I slid to number three. Shout out to Perk.

Right. But that's what saved me. You on deck for the show, bro. Yeah, but when that happened that happened bro I couldn't like and now people are like ooh you know you got done don't bother bro it's Jason Terry it's a lot of y'all in that this is iconic though

Jason Terry is more we ain't doing that cause Jay Lou here he did but he boomed on motherfucker Jay it got to a point in that game I thought he was picking on me, bro. First, he jumped over me, right? And then I'm picking up full court.

He set a screen on me. I thought it was illegal. I tried to fight him. I got up and tried to fight him. You got to wild out. Look, I got a clip of you feel like I feel about bra. I wild out. I just said, fuck it.

I can't beat him. Yeah, it's like. I'm taking him out. I just ran into him he went to the stands Popcorn all over the place That's what happens when niggas get embarrassed on the court They try to play extra hard Niggas is playing AAU defense

In the NBA game Nah bro I kid you not He said a pick on me it was a legal screen Like once you go back and watch But I was just like oh he picked I got little man syndrome, bro. Like, I feel like, like, I ain't never going to let nobody taller get the best of me.

Like, he's been around me, so he's seen a different side of me. So, I'm like, oh, he got to see me now. So, it's like, I'm trying to get up, but it's wet on the court, so I'm slipping and sliding trying to get to him. And when I push him, he didn't move

and I went back. And so now I'm like ooh and all I said was like ooh let it be an NBA fight. Let everybody like let everybody

come in the middle and break it up and then I'm going to turn up like oh you all like that and that's what happened because Ty Gibson ran over there real quick

and like and like Mario Chalmers was because Todd Gibson ran over there real quick. And like, and like, Mario Chalmers was holding me. I was like, get off me. Like, you know what I'm saying?

I'm like, woo, man, I got that fine check. I was hot. But I was just like, oh yeah. And then two weeks later

they came back and for like a whole two weeks I was just kept seeing her. like, Pooh's one of my best,'s one of my really good friends. Yeah, yeah. Like, he know how me and Pooh are. So Pooh was really supposed to come back that game when we played Miami here.

Mm-hmm. And I knew if he came back, I wasn't going to come back. Yeah. I called him on the phone. I said, yo, G, you got to sit out this game. And he was like, what? Because he was itching to get back. You know, he missed like five or six games.

I think he had turf toe. It was something, one of the injuries that, I was like, bro, just this game, sit out. I got to get my lick back. Like, you don't realize what it been like for these two weeks for me. You know what I'm saying? My dad called me talking about, we about to get put

in protective custody. Like, he called me talking about, damn, you done made the name famous than ever. Like,

he messing with me. Yeah. And so I'm like, I got to get my lick back. Right? Man. It was everywhere. I was everywhere.

So I'm driving down the highway right here because I lived out north because we practiced out there. I'm driving down. Ooh, it was IG. If I sit out, you better kill. I said, copy. Like, no more.

Man, I had like three Red Bulls that game. I was turnt. Man, when I check in the game, it was go time. I ain't missing that one shot. I mean, the only shot I missed was a wide-open corner three. That was the only shot I missed that game. I had 24 points.

National 12-5 game. And then I already had in my mind, if he— because I was going to cook Mario, and I was going to cook Norris Cole. Norris Cole. Shouts to Cole. They're my guys. But I had one person in mind that I had to get my leg back, but those are the guys that was guarding me.

Yeah. But I knew if I cooked, Spoh was going to switch off. Yeah. So, fourth quarter, Ron switched off on me, and Tibbs calling a play for Luau. That play went through air well.

All I saw in that summer, because it was lockout here, that summer I was playing in New York, so I was really working on my game. That summer, I had 50 in Nike Pro. I heard about that. I had playing in New York so I was like really working on my game so that summer I had 50 in Nike program in New York I heard about that I had 60 KD had 61 I played in that game at Rucker I had 21 the next night we played

him I had 60 he had 49 but he won but I made my name in New York as well by going to Cool Hand Luke Cool Hand Luke. Cool Hand Luke? Cool Hand Luke, the gunslinger.

My nigga Shooter McGavin. So when we came back, I started working on a double step back. So I was like, I gotta, it's almost like a boxer, you gotta get your jab. So to me, a step back is like kind of getting your separation. Because of his length and my size, I knew I had

to... I can't let that ride. kind of getting in separation but because of his length and my size I knew I had to well dope I can't let that ride I ain't gonna keep it gangsta with you a nigga with crazy length a small nigga is crazy I'm gonna keep it gangsta

that's uh David and Cat Williams in Friday I ain't gonna keep it gangsta keep my nigga I ain't gonna keep it gangsta with you I ain't gonna keep it I had to get a game I had to get a game I had to get a game

Oh Alright, you're back to your double step back Ay, yo The double step back is gonna be Yo, we been pie for a minute I am a boy Oh my god So anyway

So anyway, I had to go through a double step back because his arm length, right? I had to lock your arm length in a DJ face the whole time. So his arm length, so his arm length, DJ,

I had, because I had to see the rim. So when I hit him with the double, I saw, and then I hit him with, and so then I got my shot off. And so when I hit the shot off,

I knew what the cameras were. What'd you do? I said, he can't hold me either. Oh, this nigga. It's all facts. Yeah. Oh, we can go find it.

Can't wait. I said, he can't motherfucking hold me either. I look dead in the camera and said that. He was wild. And my dad called me and said, he can't motherfucking hold me either. I looked dead in the camera and said that. He was wild. And my dad called me and said, you had an out-of-body experience. He was like,

let's... He always humbles you. So he was like, let's keep it a buck. You had an out-of-body experience. You know what I'm saying? And you never heard of him. You feel like, damn, man. Yo, that's how my pops was. He kept it a buck with me.

So that was... I had 30 my first game against, in high school, my senior year, against Eric Gordon. And my dad was like, I mean, somebody had to shoot. I coached him too. Yeah, you did.

It's crazy because now I'm coaching. Now I'm coaching against guys I played against. That's what I want to get into. And I play against teammates, coach my teammates, play against... You know now I'm coaching now I'm coaching against guys I played against and I play against teammates coach my teammates play against you know just I always wanted to coach

after that after I got done I want to show love to you because like we talked about it earlier but what you did for D Rose people don't know I know

I know because I was there and you brought when we like not to shit on D Rose or nothing because you know we love him like that. Like, that's my bro. That's my nigga.

But when he came to Minnesota, his confidence was gone. He was done. He was telling us he was done with basketball. Yeah. Like, he was like, I'm done. I'm a retired. Tibbs doing me a favor kind of thing. And you, like, I watched y'all work and put in so much work to where he got back

and to the point where I was like, nigga, I need to come off the bench. Like, this nigga need to be sorry. You know what I'm saying? But I watched you and him

and his family, like his wife. Y'all, y'all all in the gym. I'm coming late night after drinking, doing whatever I'm doing and y'all like,

come in here. You like to eat, come in here. Pool here, shooting. I'm like, yeah, all right. Don't give a fuck. And I come in here, I just see y'all like come in here you like to eat come in here pool here shooting i'm like yeah all right i'm gonna fuck and i come in i just see y'all putting in work and my thing is i wanted him

to write his own story and don't let nobody else write it for him facts yeah and he had a lot left in him and when you go through what he's gone through your mental game and that's one thing tennis go back to tennis helped me with also, it also goes back to recovery. My dad's a recovering drug and alcoholic. So he used to scare me because I used to go to AA meetings with him. He used to make me stand up like, hi, my name is John Lucas III. And everybody be like, hi, John Lucas III. I wasn't addict or anything, but he was just showing me the mind, the mental, and stuff

like that. So I'm looking at Pooh, I'm like, bro, you still, like, you know who you are? Like, I had, like, kind of reinsured. I'm like, you know, with somebody's confidence and stuff, because you, like, now I can only imagine playing in today's era with social media, people always commenting about everything and everything. Like, you got to learn how to black out the noise.

So I'm telling him, like, bro, you got about five more years. Like, you can get another big deal. Yeah. Like, I know you made, I was with Poo

when he signed that 89. Then the next day he signed 329 with Adidas. Like, I know you got the bread, stupid bread. It was like, but bro,

you got so much more to give to this game. Oh, they say you can't shoot, stupid bread. He was like, but bro, you got so much more to give to this game. Oh, they say you can't shoot? Fuck that. We shooting 1,500 shots. That's a fact. And we going to be, we going to, my goal was for him to shoot over 40 some percent from the three.

And he didn't. And he didn't, man. So, but every night we put that work in. Yeah. If you ever know us in Minnesota, he start wearing an elbow pad. Yeah. We shot so much. And I'm like, so when he hit that 50 ball,

he was crying. He came and gave me a hug. That was like the ultimate thank you. Because I'm like, forget what Stephen A. Smith and all them saying. They ain't ran up and down this court like we ran up and down this court.

They don't know. Yeah, that's a fact. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, no, knock on them. But I'm like, they just talking. Yeah. Like, you got a chance to prove everybody wrong, which he did.

And he went on and played, what, six more years after that. Yeah, I watched. And I'm trying to talk to him. I'm talking to him the same way. He ready to hang it up, too. That ain't B-Rose. That's Jalen Rose. But what y'all don't realize

He was giving us The same speech But I was He won't listen He ain't listening bro But it was different Cause I'm like D-Rose

Like to me You know 07 class D-Rose MVP When he giving him this spill I'm like the The corner guy Like he doing his thing

And I'm like yeah Get that nigga ready man If he kill We gonna be nice He the hype man But in a good way Yeah yeah yeah Still competitive

But he was like Yo I'm rock with him Yeah like Like I got his back It's like He was like I wanna come off the He raises his hand

I'm looking at him Like he crazy I wanna come off the bench I'm looking at him Like huh Like I'm just not gonna Give him my job now Like if I was playing

I'm like nah But I'm like He wanted to come off the bench Cause he wanted to go Against all the backup I'm keeping not going to give him my job now like if I was playing I'm like nah but I'm like he wanted to come off the bench because he wanted to go against all the backup I'm keeping a buck with you he can fool he'll fool everybody else he wanted to go against the backup he ain't want to guard

night in night out I didn't want to go against him but it's smart but it's smart though it's smart because it it's smart, though. It's smart because it's longevity. Like, you figure it out. So,

it was just like, for me, I wanted all, everybody I rock with, I wanted them all to succeed. That's a fact. And that was my biggest thing. I just wanted everybody to succeed. And that's why I gravitate to you

because people that I know in my life, everybody's similar to that. Like, all of us, we want everybody to win in here. We want to win. And that's when I gravitate to you because people that I know in my life, everybody's similar to that. All of us, we want everybody to win in here. We want to win. And that's when I gravitate to you. You don't naturally gravitate to people that you don't rock with, right? We had coaches

on that staff where, you know me, I wouldn't even... Nigga, you behind a bench. I'm like, Luke! Man, what the fuck we running? He'll get me in trouble. You know what I'm saying? That's how I get fired. No,'m saying? That's how I get fired. No, real talk. That's how I get fired.

I'm for real. I would really come to the bench and be like, what do you see? And I'd be like, Luke, what the fuck we need to run? And I'd get fired

because now, like, they're not looking at the main guys. And Luke would be like, shoot the fucking ball. He'd be wide open. I'd be like, Jimmy said run.

He's like, fuck him. Shoot the ball. He'd be wide open. And he be like, Jimmy said run. He's like, fuck him. He'd be wide open. And he was like, he'd defer. He'd defer. And I'm like, this ain't that same kid I know that get out the Challenger. You know what I'm saying? I'm still thinking like he him.

Like with that mentality. And that's like once you give me your first impression, that's who I think you are. But I appreciate that, though. Yeah. All right, man. We appreciate you, Luke. For sure, bro.

Obviously, man. We saw you at the Top 100 camp. We was just like, it makes purposes. Like, having your knowledge to help these young youths, especially, like you said, with the mentals and the social media, playing basketball at the full parcel. So to have somebody in charge like that, we're really happy to see. Before we get out of here, man,

we had a great story in this podcast. We got to reconfirm. You know, before we get out of here, man, we got to talk about the Minnesota A's, man. Y'all put up the club. Shout out to the Somalis. They said y'all good in Minnesota. They good with Club 520.

But we got to recap that story, man. We good, look. Man, we always good. No, I'm saying that. We real good. What you talking about? We always good. Minnesota, fuck with me. We always good. Y'all about? We always good. Nah, they playing. They so low. Let us all the fuck with me.

We always good. That was good that night, D. J. Lou always good. Shout out to J.B. for stepping in them Kirk Franklins. They go, y'all doggy. It's T. Cole. I'm with everybody. Oh, let's go.

Hey, bro. I don't even go out. You know, I'm married. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't go out. He just throw me under the bus.

But, you know, he had a bad game that day. Yeah. He had a bad game, so we went out to eat. I always go out to eat with the players. I don't go out with the players, but we go eat. I ain't going to pass up a meal. Exactly. You know what I'm saying?

I'm on the coaching budget now. Absolutely. Respect. So we go out to eat. I'm trying to talk him because he ready to jump off the ledge. Not literally, But he like mad Because of the game he had So he was like

You know I just need It almost remind me of like That scene in Pay Them For It Yo A I just need to be around love You know what I'm saying It was like one of them moments For him So I was like

He was like Where we gonna go out to And so I was like Alright cool I'll come out For a little bit So it's me Jared Bayless

Who wore a suit All the time There's no dress code on my's me, Jared Bayless, who wore a suit all the time. There's no dress code on my mind. I'm not making this shit up. He wore a suit all the time. Clean, though. Clean. All right. Right?

And I ain't your normal coach. Like, once I get out my coaching, I'm back how I'm dressed now. Nike, I'm going to be fly. So he goes out. So we go out. And so all of a sudden, we just in there chilling in the corner. All of a sudden, like 30 people come walking towards me. And they speaking to me in their language.

I'm looking at them like, what? I guess they didn't like my reaction. Yeah. So, they started getting a little bit hostile. It's just me, him, and Jerry, right? Yeah. So, see that bottle right there? I don't even know whose bottle it was that I grabbed. But I had a bubble cut on, right? Yeah. So, see how the bottle right there? I don't even know

who bottle it was that I grabbed, but I don't just, I had a bubble cut on too. Yeah. So I was like, they doing all this talking, I just,

grabbed that joint, I'm like, we gonna get out of here, I gotta get home to my baby. You know what I'm saying? So, they doing all this, I'm woofing back at them.

I'm like, bro, I ain't Somali, I'm from Houston, Texas. I ain't from here. And they like, no, you do da-da-da-da-da. And I'm like, bro, I ain't Somali. I'm from Houston, Texas. I ain't from here. And they like, no, you do da-da-da-da-da. And I'm like, nah. So what saved us was a whole nother argument happened.

A whole nother fight started. And they turned around and turned. And all of a sudden, before me and Jeff could turn to walk out the door, we walking. Yeah. Because I'm like, part of my back. I'm like, you know, I ain't really scared. Like, whatever's going on.

We see Jared. Jared two blocks away from us. And me and Jeff is like, yo. And all you see is him stacing it. I was like, he sliding because it was black ice out there that day. So he running. He like sliding. And I was like, yo, that's crazy. I said, that's the last time I go out. Like, if So he running, he like sliding. And I was like,

yo, that's crazy. I said, that's the last time I go out. Like if I go out, he can't come with me because that's my, and I see him, I love Jared.

I see him all the time in Phoenix when I was coaching in Phoenix. We love Jared. He the man, but that was a crazy night. But I wasn't supposed to be out.

I was like, it was his fault. I'll take the blame. It was his fault. Jared really dipped in. It was his fault. But it is true. But they didn't think. I don't make that up. It's all a fact.

It's true. They thought. That Minnesota shit took a toll, bro. And they would tell me, they would be here, you good. Them other niggas, they got to check in. Respect. Respect.

Respect. Respect. But he mess with me all the time because we used to always play one-on-one. Yeah. And he was coming back from injury one day. And I was getting the best of him. Only for five possessions, though. Yeah.

Because I ran out of gas. I'm out of shape when I ran out of gas. Mentally, I was done hooping. Yeah. And they had posted on Twitter at the time. ass. I'm out of shape. Mentally, I was done hooping. They had posted on Twitter at the time. I think you was hurt. Pooh was hurt. Ty's was hurt. We had to bring a point guard in.

I'm trying to get him ready. I'm not even thinking. We should bring Luke in for a 10-day. That's what the fans... Look what he's doing to Jeff T. He's going to tweet back and post another video. Keep watching. Like, he couldn't let me just have my little five. Because after that, boy, it was

cook session. It was cook session after that. I retweeted the post. Somebody posted like, yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm telling my daughter, yeah, this is how your daddy used to play. And then, boy, he posted. He was like, nah, y'all got to keep watching the post. Somebody posted, like, okay, yeah. I'm telling my daughter, like, yeah, this is how your daddy used to play. And then, boy, he posted. He was like, nah, y'all got to keep watching the video. He somehow called our video coordinator.

Who was it? Brian Randolph at the time. He get the highlights of him cooking me 15 straight possessions. He won the left. He won the right. I didn't even touch the ball in the middle of the court because he went five in a row. I just had a little bit of a fucking though because in Minnesota they had me fucked up.

But yeah. That's my dog though. I mean, that's my man right there. I appreciate you on the show, bro. I appreciate y'all having me. Man, this is all coming, man. Man, this is like family. We're going to do another episode, man. Probably in Indy. I know you got some big stuff coming

up. We're going to let you announce that when you ready to announce it. But we excited for your whole journey. We need you to announce that before the All-Star came, though. We'll talk about that

for another podcast. Hey, man, I just want to tell y'all, man, y'all really holding down the culture, though. I appreciate it. Real talk. Real talk, bro. Y'all doing y'all theme and I to tell y'all, man, y'all really holding down the culture, though. I appreciate it. Real talk. Y'all doing y'all theme, and I watch all y'all episodes.

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