Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Kevin Garnett tells Jeff Teague about talking trash to Michael Jordan, Vince Carter Team USA dunk

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 84 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Kevin Garnett to discuss his Hall of Fame career in the NBA. KG tells Jeff and the guys stories about talking trash to Michael Jordan, Vince Carter’s iconic dunk for Team USA in the Olympics, playing Jeff Teague in the playoffs, meeting Paul Pierce for the first time, and tells an amazing story about Kobe Bryant at the All-Star game. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Special, special guest. We got a legend sitting to my left. We're going to introduce my man's last. But to my far left, we got my dog Bishop B. Hinn out the Pearleys. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. We live, P? Yes, sir. We live. Chill out, P. We live, baby. What's wrong with you,

man? A ticket. I know you. You a shoe aficionado. Have you ever seen the Black Forces with the white laces before? Nah, I ain't seen that one. I know you. You know what I'm saying? You a shoe aficionado. Have you ever seen the black forces with the white laces before? No, I ain't seen that one. I ain't seen that one just yet. I got you. 16? 15.

15? Yeah. I got you, bro. Okay. Say less. Yeah. You an Air Force One guy? For sure.

God, sure. I'm an Air Force One guy. Okay. Okay. That's what's up. And your style of play, this is very fitting for sure. The demon in you. the barking in you, the dog in you, Air Force One, white license. She wore those, bro.

She was an Air Force One guy. She wore the ones that came up here. Yeah, that's for ankles and stuff. You can come to Dre's or go to Rucker and Nate's. Okay, okay. Now you're going to do a robbery. I'm about to say, this look like some shit. Yeah, I'm just, go ahead.

Go ahead. I ain't going, go ahead. I'll finish the show out, though. Yeah, I see you ready. I'm ready, too, though. Right, the referee joint's on. It's all good. Go ahead.

It's about right, my dog. Young Nacho, young T. How you doing, man? I'm chilling, bro. Me and Dre's having a good time. We got a legend in the building, man. I'm geeked, bro. Man, legend, legend, legend to my left, man.

The Ticket, you know who this is, man. One of the best basketball players of all time. 15-time All-Star. More importantly, an All-Star in Dre's. Ticket, we appreciate you pulling up the 520, big dog. Thank y'all for having me, dog. It's an honor, man. Thank you. Thank you, dog. It's an honor being here, man. I y'all for having me, dog It's an honor, man Thank you, man

It's an honor being here, man I love y'all shit, man We appreciate it, man We was talking about the feats, you know what I'm saying? For me, you know what I'm saying? I'm an OG Ticket fan I know your rookie year You came out in a concourse, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah You started out getting to it in the patent leathers But you done had so many heat shoes What's one of your favorite signature shoes you ever had? Well, to be honest, man, I had something to do. Every time you seen my name on a shoe, I had some input in that. And I thought that that changed a lot of the concept. Because if you with Nike or Adidas, they're coming in with a pre-concept already that they have in the line of so many other things. And, you know, I was taught early, man, if something represents you,

you want to be able to have your – at least your taking in what comes from you. So I think probably my – obviously when you first get your shoe and then being with Nike, getting the shoe right. So Garnett 1 was always a special place just because that's my first signature shoe. And then to see it perform and then get to Garnett 3 and have it be like one of their best sellers and kids come, you know, running up on me with, you know, just showing their appreciation.

I got to tag some of my neighborhood on it with OBF on the bottom. I was in Young State. It was going 97, 98. It was live. It was going, you know. Jeff was in Young State. It was going 97, 98. It was live. It was going. Jeff, they didn't think I was going to make it. They were talking about I was going to be out of the league in two years. They were talking crazy.

They was tripping. I don't know what they was drinking and taking. I don't know. I tell you that. Damn sure wasn't. Nah. But, yeah, man, the flight posits was another shoe that I'm sticking out. With the zippers?

The Nike shoes were some of the best shoes because of just of the technology that Nike goes through. Right. Jeff, you know this, man. They got so many different comforts and cushions that they can pad and put in your shoe. But then Adidas, you know, I had a short run on an N1 that was cool. But Adidas had another level of technology that I can't speak on. My first signature shoe with them was through the roof, and I had a very comfortable shoe.

But, yeah, those are shoes that just stand out right away, that just, you know, that to me made a difference. Yeah. And that's what's so far about you. Obviously, we know you're a champion. We know you go crazy on the court. But to have such an impact to the culture, like we was talking before, the Jamie Foxx episode, you know what I'm saying, man?

Yeah, it was a pause. Like, that's back in the days. We had the real crossovers, man. You was trying to take fancy from Jamie on the low, bro. Fancy was choosing, dog. Fancy was choosing. What do you say he couldn't find a KG jersey until he had to get the Wally? The Wally Z.

The Sippin' Sippin' Spitzer. Yeah. Shout out to Jay Fox. What's up? That was a fire cameo, bro. That was cool. That was cool. That was a cool joint.

That was a real cool joint. You know what I'm saying? Before we even get to all that, you got to talk about y'all interaction, man. I love that he confirmed this for us, but tell the people, man. No, when I first came here, I told y'all. Yeah, nigga, I did growl at you. Yeah. You know what it was?

Absolutely. We played them in the playoffs and I dunked on Ray Allen in the preseason and I got a tech and I was barking, doing my thing. And I had the game winning shot and I airballed it. And he followed me through the tunnel and was like,

don't fuck with the basketball guys. You're not like that. Don't do that. And we played them in the playoffs and I had a good game, game one. He're not like that. Don't do that. And we played him in the playoffs and like I had a good game game one. He would not say like who I was

because I don't know him. Who are you talking about? I said, I said, damn. And so we came out and we played him in the guard.

He came out, he slapped the floor and got on like all four and started grouting. Boy, you scared the shit out of him. We traumatized.

I was like, this is my moment. I ain't going to never forget this. Kobe had the hissing. Kobe hissed at you. I was on my DMX shit. I wanted to growl. I wanted to see where niggas was at. You know what I'm saying?

He's talking about, I just wanted KG to say my name. Pause. I was like, man, I just wanted him to acknowledge me, bro. I just wanted him to be like, you're T-Crew. You weren't showing fan. You was getting money out here. You was talking that shit. Young fella had confidence.

Yeah. I had watched him in Wake Forest. You know, I had followed you. And you got right to it when you got in the league. You had a lot of confidence in yourself. And when you punched it on Ray, the reason why I was really upset was because anything to the basket, we was supposed to put a nigga on his ass. So Ray went for the block,

and, you know, young fella flushed it. It wasn't, you know, it's basketball, so. Yeah. Yeah, I was just also trying to smash his paws, destroy his confidence. You know what I'm saying? I was on some, like, nine. Well, it is.

Oh, yeah, I bought it. You know how the league is, bro. You know what I'm saying? Throw this on his back, make sure he don't forget this. Then I was just stunting on him. Every time I see him, I wasn't shaking his head. I'd get him like, you know what I mean? Yeah.

But the whole time, I'm watching how he react to it because it's pissing him off. The more he getting pissed off, he coming, spinning. And that's what I wanted. I wanted his best, and I wanted to make him angry. And I wanted to play against that. And then later on in his career, man, I walked, boom, what's up, boy? Gee, you good, boy? Yeah, I'm good. Boom.

And that's the respect of it that was earned. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That messed me up. My brother was like, nah, Ticket said you good, bro. He fucked with you. I was like, what? I was like, nah.

I took care of you, little brother, just because of the respect I have for you. Real shit. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. That's all, bro. Yeah, I appreciate that. Tell Young and I said, what up? It's my dog. For sure, man. Listen, man.

You have so many fire moments in your illustrious career. We all from Indianapolis, Indiana. When we talk about high school basketball, there's one player that we have a very high regard for. You have a famous clip for it. My man EJ, Eric Gordon. Dog, the clip of him missing that shot. You said, hell no.

Trash ass nigga. It's one of my favorite clips of all time, man. I'm going to keep it 100, man. You know, I'm a savant. And you know I know my shit. So when I get out here, I'm watching. I know players. I know what they can and can't do.

So, you know, E. Gordon went through a rough little patch when he was playing great with the Clippers. You know what I'm saying? I think when he got to New Orleans, he was having injuries shit so I was just room for him to get back and which I don't know before that clip he had came down on some groove she you know hi Bob trail three by so we came he's put motherfuckers in the mix and now you know we had a bunch of young guys that Levine younger Andrew Wiggins a young car out in town and he was just he was dogging him he was beastly so I like I was like, hey, man, look. You know, compete, man.

Don't let the motherfucker come down here and just, you know, compete. So when he came down, he did some shit. And then he spun it. Then he stepped out. Like, oh, hell no. Nigga, that ain't what you do. Aw, you trash ass nigga. Hey, nigga.

Hey, nigga. Hey, nigga, get back to what you, nigga. Like, you know what I'm saying? And it wasn't even, yeah, it was for him. But the move is what made me react. I was like, what? Where did he fucking get that? Yeah, go back and look at the move, though.

The move, I'm talking about he was trans. That was a trans move. So I was basically calling what I was saying, yeah. Shout out to Igor, man. You know what I'm saying? Real shit. I'm glad to see him still going. You know what I'm saying? Helping teams and shit. Yeah, shout sure. Shout out to Igor, man. You know what I'm saying? Real shit. I'm glad to see him still going. You know what I'm saying?

Helping teams and shit. Yeah. Shout out to him. Man, listen. So many moments. I'm a fan. Listen. I look at the Olympics, and every time I think about the Olympics,

I think about the best dunk we've ever seen in our lives. And you being in that moment, how was it to witness that moment live? Listen, man. Shit happened so fast. I thought he got an N-1. How was it to witness that moment live? Listen, man, shit happened so fast, I couldn't even. I thought he got an and one. And when I saw that he called an and one, I was like, oh, shit, he cleared that motherfucker. Did he just clear that motherfucker?

And he dunked it. And when he came down, if you see me, I really wanted to go full, like, nigga button. We had one, two, like, damn. Okay, get back on deep. It was kind of like that. But I had played with a guy in high school named Ronnie Fields. Yes, sir.

I'm about to ask you about that. I'm not seeing people hit the air, and I'm not seeing him do some most, some of the most craziest shit, but then Vince Carter is the class of 95, and we not been to camps together, so I'm not seeing him do some of the craziest shit,

but yeah, bro, him jumping over a whole 7'6", 7'5", guy was like a whole another like i swear time stopped dog if y'all look at all of us all of us been behind me gary we all like like in a like a frozen moment to where i thought that nigga froze he froze for like two seconds yeah but yeah man shout out to vince carter man that's probably one of the most electric electric moments i've ever been in you know i'm? We couldn't really just get into it. We had to, okay, and then it was over.

But, yeah, that was one of the more crowning moments in Olympic history, bro. Speaking of Ronnie Fields, bro, I don't think he get enough credit. You feel me? Notoriety. How was it like playing with him? How did y'all even link up at Farragut?

So, I was coming from South Carolina, and my mother was moving me. I was in a very, very hectic and traumatic recruiting. I don't even want to debacle. Yeah. Like, college was coming, doing crazy shit. This was my first interacting with money, big bags of bread. Like, yeah, it was just getting crazy.

So, yeah, I got into some trouble in high school, and my mom moved me. And the one coach I had at Nike, man, was Wolf Nelson. And he had Coach Ronnie in high school up in Chicago. Yeah. So, him and I, he stayed in contact, just like, hey, working on your, you know, because he would always take me off to the side. We would spend, like, a whole hour just on working on stuff. So, I fucked with his development, man.

And you know how it go, Jeff, man. When you got a coach that's, you know, like, just dialed in with you. You know what I'm saying? He up with you. You know, you go through some frustrating moments. He right there. And then I ain't really had no pops. You know what I'm saying?

I ain't had no man in my life. My mom was enough man for everybody in this motherfucking room. So, you know, I grew up a certain type of temperature. I was used to a certain type of environment. I wasn't tripping over the jungle. I was raised in it. So to have a male in my life that was giving me some guidance and not someone I could pick the phone up,

even though he was 1,000 miles away, was confident for me. So when I had the chance to be able to go up and play with him, I didn't even think about the city. I didn't think about nothing. I was just thinking about, damn, I got a coach there. Believe me, man, let's get it. So, man, I got up there, and we was rocking day one. And then that's when it hit you, like, oh, shit,

you're in Chicago. These are the rules, and this is what you got to do. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't even a basketball problem I had. It was more of just adjusting to the big city. Absolutely, man. Another wonderful moment in the Olympic. You going crazy in the ones

Running everybody up and down the court Hey man listen I told you I'm a fan Iconic moment How was it? He was cleaning boys up He was talking crazy too Man it is what it is

Nah Jeff Jeff know this man Like during the times where we played I'm not speaking on some of this younger stuff But let's go back like 10-15 years ago man It was a bullying It was a bullying, it was a bullying league. And you had to be a demon to play in it. And not just have confidence, but you had to be a demon. And I mean, T, you know what I'm saying? And I don't want to elaborate on it, but you had to be like a different, a different,

you had to have a different mindset. So we're in the Olympics working out, and one of the things J.K. does to get back in shape is play full court one-on-ones. Yeah. And we had practice, and it was a tech, it was one of them practices where it was touchy. It was edgy and shit, so guys wanted to compete. So about six or seven of us just said,

hey, man, let's get some cardio in. Niggas didn't want to run the customary 17s, you know how that shit go, you know. Because back then you had time 17s, and then back then you had two-a-days for the whole training cap. So if you had training cap 30 days, you had two, you feel what I'm saying?

So, yeah, it was just different on how you got ready. Right. So we jumped in it, and, man, you know how it go in one-on-ones, man. You know how it go. Shit, it got wicked. Yeah, man, you know, usually one-on-ones go, like, you know, you go, I go, I stop you, you stop me. But, man, when you get in the road, and then I don't know the cameraman in the cut.

That's what didn't nobody know, bro. You know, the camera come out, everybody, the element of embarrassment goes to like, you know, a million, right? So, it was already testy, you know? Me and Reef was already testy. You know, a couple people right? So it was already testy, you know? Me and Reef was already testy. You know, a couple people was in there testy. Ray and Gary was testy. Timmy, it was just testy, you know? And yeah, and I got the going.

So yeah, fuck it. I'm king of the hill. Let's get it. So I was talking my shit. And then if somebody had wanted to do something, then we could play another. So we played three games. But didn't nobody know the guy in the cut over there getting it all.

It's two more games that they ain't show, and I'm glad they didn't. Did you win those? I won the second one. I won the first one, and then I won the last one. Okay. But the second, the one, two, three, the second one, and the third one was so physical that, yeah, we probably didn't want that one out. But it was all good.

Shout out to the, you know, 2000, you know, team, man. We did that, man. I want to talk about how you and Paul met, man, on that K-Swiss AU team. K-Swiss? Well, Paul had you come all the way out there to Cali, man.

How was that? Same shit. Same shit. Shout out to Truth. So, I'm from South Carolina. Jeff, you know what the South like, man. You done played in North Carolina. You know what I'm saying?

Ain't really a bunch of, ain't nothing down there. So it was very little recruitment. A lot of football recruitment, but very little recruitment. Yeah. And very little sponsorship. So, you know, South Carolina, you had to go to either Georgia to Atlanta or you had to go to Charlotte to go to one of the bigger camps.

So I ended up going to a camp in Atlanta. And a guy down there, he was just like a sponsorship for anybody else, like Nike or D.C. He like K-Swiss. And wasn't nobody really recruiting or none of that. But he was like, yo, you want to go to West Coast? You know what I'm saying? You ever play on the West Coast? Like, shit, this is what I need.

Yeah. He said, cool. He really wanted nothing, nothing, but it's about the experience. You know what I'm saying? Never been to Cali that before. We pull up, man. We get right to Ingle Yeah. He said, cool. He wasn't really wanting nothing, but it's about the experience. You know what I'm saying? I've never been to Cali that before. We pull up, man. We get right to Inglewood. Come out to Jones.

We in Inglewood. I don't know where I'm at. Come up to some little raggedy gym. You know what I'm saying? You can tell it ain't a polished neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? Come in here, and I see three guys playing. I see this little tall-ass, little fat kid, dog.

Nigga had like the little stefan marbury curly kid on i told p he had a whole s curl when i seen it like ice cube goddamn this shit was shaking man you had a whole curl when i saw you nigga you know what i'm saying but man uh jeff he was a little fat little you know what i'm saying i was like man okay and then i saw him go up and boom that motherfucker like damn that little fat motherfucker got some ass man who was that oh yeah that's Paul Pierce. I was like, what? And he looked like a younger version of what you see now.

Probably seeing way more wild and shit. You know what I'm saying? For sure. Yeah, me and Pete met at like 16. And before, I didn't know that in LA, Toby Bailey, Ricky Price, a bunch of these older, J.R. Henderson, these are guys that were running L.A. at the time, you know what I'm saying, and he looked up to them, so I don't know none of

this, and I don't know none of these guys, you know what I'm saying, but then you got the Collins twins, you got Jelani McCoy, you got Shea Cotton, all these West coaches I ain't never heard of, you know what I'm saying, so I was eager to play, you know what I'm saying, see what, you know, a lot of these guys had to offer, and I didn't have that, I didn't have that, I'm saying? See what a lot of these guys have to offer. I didn't have that I'm not seeing you play factor. So I'm coming in here like, I don't know who Jelani is. Oh, Jelani, he block everybody's shot. So I was like, oh, I mean, how big is Jelani?

And he's like, well, he's seven foot. He about two size. And I was like, oh, no. So I was, I don't know who this is. So I go right into beast mode. Like, oh, no, give He's about two size. And I was like, oh, no. So I was on, I don't know who this is. So I go right in the beast mode. Like, I don't know. Give a fuck about this nigga. You know what I'm saying?

Respectfully, yo. But the L.A. niggas had me running through the casinos, hitting shit, and they jumping out of cabs and just doing L.A. shit. So we got in the game, bro. We all connected. Term, all the little, because P played with a bunch of hood guys that are from Inglewood that went to Inglewood High. J. Crow, the one you see him on

True Flown Swish, that was his point guard. Shout out to Damani, he's a rapper. He used to play. So a couple of those guys are just, you know, guys. But they play hard, man. We ended up winning that little shit, man. We won that little Vegas shit, we wasn't supposed to win nothing. That's how he was, though.

He played with a bunch of his friends. Vegas. Same shit, bro. Where did you get your first look? Vegas? I went to ABCD camp. Oh, okay. Yeah, I went to ABCD camp.

I had, like, one offer going there. Ended up killing that and getting, like, 70 offers. Why Wake Forest, bro? I was a fan of Chris Paul. I grew up watching Chris. And I was like, damn, they let him do whatever up there. I don't want to follow him. I let you do whatever, sure.

Yeah, I did. Right, right. I need to follow them footsteps, and that's how it happened. Well, that's what's up. I enjoyed your time up there, bro. I'm from ACC country, so, you know, I was a huge Tar Heel fan and all that other shit. But, bro, you used to get your money. I appreciate that.

I was going to ask you, what school was you going to go to if you didn't go straight to the league? Michigan. Oh, you were supposed to. Damn. Okay. Michigan. I went to Michigan two years before. So, 10th grade, I had a chance to go up and watch them play Michigan State.

And I got to meet Webb. And I got to meet Jawan. I got to meet Jimmy. Everybody. Jalen, everybody. And they were super cool. And not at the time to where you could take people around. They just took me and we kind of disappeared.

I took a liking to Webb's game, but then when I met Webb, Webb cuffed me like a little brother, man, and that stuck with me so much that when I watched him play, I saw myself. And then I just started piecing off the style. Obviously, I wasn't way up size or none of that. But the way he played through and you know how you is when you're seeing your favorite player, right? So, yeah, I wanted to follow in those footsteps. But UNC was great on development.

And one of the things I wanted to really do was develop as a player. I didn't want to you know I didn't want you to look at a 1995 tape and then look 97 I'm looking the same so UNC was known for developing yeah one thing I will say they develop big men a certain way and if you saw how my style was I didn't want to be your traditional big where you know I didn't have the body mass to go down here and Kevin McHay will be showing me this moves where you had to have big shoulders to get it up you know exactly what i'm talking about bro you know you're trying to figure that out so early on i struggled with that but i figured it out but i wanted to go to unc for the development i had a cousin i got a real cousin in life shaman williams who actually started and played yeah yeah

shaman's my older cousin my real father in life is his uncle. His mother's my real aunt. Oh, okay. Barely know my pops, though, so, you know, that whole shit was kind of, you know what I mean? But when we saw each other, it was always love. If I see him today, it's always love. Same old, same old.

But, yeah, those two schools really made an impact on me. For sure. You would have been raw in Michigan. I remember I wanted to go to Georgia Tech when Steph and Bobby Kremers told me they had a kid by the name of Eddie Elisma and they didn't need no more bigs. Listen, for about 10 years,

I was looking for Eddie Elisma. I just wanted him to be on somebody's team. I just wanted to show Bobby Kimmins what's the difference. You know what I'm saying? Where you get that mindset from? Because I follow your story, bro. I'm a huge fan. I remember you doing your draft workouts and you talking about Pat Riley.

Yeah, man. Yeah, the Pat Riley story. That's great. Yeah, my mom, man. My mom's a kind of a shout out to my mom, Cheryl. But, yeah, my mom, she's a hard worker, man. My mom used to work the graveyard shifts. You know what the graveyard shifts are?

Yeah, I used to work them. Y'all know 12 to 12? Yeah, sir. Six to six, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, my mom worked that. So, you know, I grew up very responsible, being able to cook early, being able to clean the house early. I grew up in the South, so I was outside. I'm from slap boxing.

I'm from all the guys fighting. I'm from all that wrestling for the belt, getting beat for the belt, going home, cutting out carpet, making a new belt, coming outside. I'm from that. Real nigga on the bike. I'm in neighborhoods. My neighborhood fighting your neighborhood. I'm from all that.

You know what I'm saying? Outside. Outside. And I'm from the blacktop. I'm from all that. You know what I'm saying? Outside. Outside. And I'm from the blacktop. I'm out here. I'm going to go to every park and see who out here and try to kill it. And you start to get a rep. You know what I'm saying?

That's big fella. You know, that's, yeah, them Maldon boys. You know what I'm saying? Shit like this, but yeah, man, my mom gave me this kind of no-nonsense kind of attitude that go at shit, and why not you? My mom used to play all those little riddles with me. She's like, Kev, you know if you ever come into a room and look for the leader? I was like, what are you talking about?

If you can't find a leader in the room, guess who's the leader? She used to say little shit like that. And then, dog, I started taking shit personal are you talking about? If you can't find a leader in the room, guess who's the leader? She used to say little shit like that. And then, dog, I started taking shit personal, you know what I'm saying? Light-skinned niggas was in, dog-skinned, you know what I'm saying? So, I'm super competitive. So a lot of times, dog, when

I would take things personal, I would put it in a competitive form because I didn't want to be rowdy. You know, we got our ass whooping my house, so I'm from, I got manners, open doors for women, I didn't want to be rowdy. You know, we got our ass whooped in my house. So I'm from, I got manners, open doors for women. I wash dishes. I know how to clean the whole house up. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. So putting all those into play, couldn't get in trouble in school or you got killed. You know what I'm saying? So I had to learn to control those emotions and then challenge towards something. So basketball started coming into my life. I started really putting a lot of time in it and then i found this um untapped energy if you will that when it came to competitiveness when i heard um i heard c biscuit had a um a complex that the

writer he was kind of easing back to let the other horse go back. And when the horse got in front of him, the horse, Seabiscuit, would go ape shit and just smoke the horse. When I heard that analogy, I connected with that. Like, to play somebody better than you actually gets you to play better and it makes you more attentive, more locked in. You ever hear about when you take a sense the other sense gets heightened i swear when i would play people that were bigger than me or better than me or i

consider better than me it it it activated that and then i got into the league and the league was a bully league and yeah man coming from chicago everybody pulling up on you wanting the hoop and the crate in the alley and this gym and on this whatever. So you didn't steal that in and then put me in the league and then say that I can't do something. So I was like, man, I'm finna prove all y'all wrong, y'all. You know what I'm saying? I told everybody at the draft when Sheed and Stack was cracking jokes on me, man, in front

of about like 50 niggas. They was like, nigga, you should've took your ass to college, man. I was like, nigga, I'm finna be better than all y'all niggas. Nah! Them niggas bust out laughing. I'm the only one not laughing.

Man, Scotty Thurman. Scotty Thurman. I don't know if you know this kid from Arkansas. He used to shoot the long ball. He was like, hey,

they fucking with you because they know y'all fella. He was country. Man, they know y'all fella. Yeah. But yeah,

I've always been super competitive in my mindset, man. It's got to be. I always say it one-on-ones. It's me or you. It's got to be you. It can't be me.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I heard you did that to Scottie Pippen, too. Yeah, we got two of them. I was young, though. I was young and wild, though. When I got to Chicago, I moved in a certain area off the west side called K-Town. Yes, sir. Yeah, K-Town got all these different streets in these different areas.

And, yeah, they rep different places. You know what I'm saying? GD's over here. Biceflow's over here. Cobra's over here. And you got to know how to – Latin King's over here. You got to know how to go through that, right? And then once I figured it out, bro, you know, you're moving.

And, you know, a lot of the guys you move with, you move, how you moving. Yeah, man, Scottie Pippen got us some shit. And I don't know what he thought. Yeah. But yeah, I quickly, you know, got him to understand where he was. But that wasn't a good moment for me

because I felt like, you know, when you come into an NBA setting, you don't want to be rowdy. Grover let us come in there. As soon as we got into that, Grover tried to kick us out. Guys didn't want to get kicked out. Turned into a whole other thing. I knew the guys, Carl Harris was in there. Carl Harris wasn't in there.

Who's the street guy from the south side? If Carl Harris wasn't in there, it would have been all bad. But I'm glad he was in there. And then what's even more crazy to that, Jeff, Isaiah Thomas in the corner watching all this. And that's where I got the jewels from. And I seen Zeke. Zeke pulled me to the side because I ain't no Zeke from the west side

like he was. You know what I'm saying? He's super. You know what I'm saying? Man, Zeke's super plugged into the west side. So, the shit there, I side So the shit there talked to him I talked to him about three hours And after that three hours

I knew exactly what I was doing Yeah Straight up That's fire You got a story like that with J.R. Ryder too, right? When y'all played the Bulls And he was talking shit to Jory Man, Joe

J.R. had to tell you to Hey, K, chill out, bro You fit the 30 book Man, Jeff, you know this, man When you play a guy, dog Or you play somebody that you look up to, you don't watch enough film to know that this guy is better than you, but you still have confidence in yourself.

It was kind of like that. Mike them were just bullying niggas, man. Pressing up, 94 feet, zigzagging. They get it in. They hand-checking. The refs ain't calling it. So, on a young guy like T, he'll grab T, he'll – Jeff, you really got to know how to handle it

because you're really dealing with force and – Right, right, right. If the ref ain't calling it, bro, you got to deal with it yourself. That's how I felt about y'all, though. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy you say that because that's what the Bulls is doing to us. Yeah.

So we learned that and then started to implement on the young guys. Real shit, real shit. But, yeah,s was doing to us. Yeah. So we learned that and then started to implement on the young guys. Real shit. Real shit. But yeah, that was the same way. But just like how you learn, that makes you better. That kind of headache that you got to deal with, you're like, holy shit. The first time it happened, you in big eyes, right?

Second time, you go, shit. Third time, nah. You ain't tripping. You know what I'm saying? Nah, for sure. You adjust. But yeah, me and JR was in there. And Mike then was just on some bully shit.

And I was having a decent ass game. I had just seen my friend. He had just got into a car accident. I didn't really get much sleep. We was on the back to back. When I landed, I went straight to the hospital. I sat in there all night waiting. And man, it was just hard to see fields in there with the halo on his neck.

Yeah. And I was like, damn. And then I was really affected when I came back to the hotel. I had to go right to the arena and shit, you know, first bus and all that shit. So I was over there super early, so I was super inspired. But I was running off fumes. I didn't have no sleep that night. Had the whole west side on the whole left

side of that so i felt yeah i was in i had a great night but yeah just just just man as soon as i started feeling good man i that up i that up it's a lot of i didn't up i that up because we had a chance to win that game and i woke the the beast up, dog. And I didn't think that shit was real until you see it. Like, oh, shit. Really? Really? Really? Really?

Shit. Shit. So they went crazy. Man, he went, look, no bullshit. Came down simple. Two dribble pull up. Three. Five.

And one. Shot two free throws. Like, it was, I looked up. The nigga had, like, 40 in, like, 12 minutes. I was like, damn. We sitting on 12 minutes. I was like, damn. We sitting on the bench. We was like, damn, we down 19. Damn, my bad.

Then I looked. You know how you look at everybody? And everybody looking at you like. Told that nigga to shut up. That's how Joe did me. Yeah. And that's how JR. JR was like my dog to, you know, it's okay.

We're going to get through it. We at the end of the bench. He was taking the shoes off. I was like, my fault, man. It's all good, man., it's okay. We're going to get through it. We're at the end of the bench. He was taking the shoes off. I was like, my fault, man. It's all good, man. Shut your ass up. Man, for real, man. I never said shit to Jordan

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it's funny. Uh, Jeff always spoke very, very, very highly of that Celtics backcourt defense. or wherever you talk about A.B. It was just interesting to hear you say that in his high praise for him. Nah, man, them two, they had Ticket that got up on screens and then they had Pert, he didn't get all the way up, but he was physical. And then you had them two dudes, bro,

they a 94 feet you, and then Avery Bradley took everything personal. I remember one game we played them, it was my second year, Rondo was out, and he started at point guard. I remember one game we played him. It was my second year. Rondo was out, and he started at point guard. I think it was his first start. Yep. And I kind of embarrassed him a little bit.

I went by him, dunked on him, stole the ball from him a bunch of times. And the next time he played me, he was like, yeah, what's up? And I was like, what? I was like, he's sad. You know what I mean? I was like, I already killed him. He's sad. Bro, he was guarding me full court.

I'm turning. I had to pass to Kurt Heimer. I'm like, bring it up, Kurt. I ain't messing with him. Real shit. Nah, for real. He was serious. Avery Bradley's feet was probably similar to like Usher's or Michael Jackson's.

Like, he had the quickest feet. He was normally, when you get hit, if you and Jeff T right now was in the pick and roll and bro came up and said a pick on you, if he hit any part of your leg, you're going to turn. You're just going to turn sideways. That's what it is. Avery Bradley was the only guy that I knew that got his shoulder right over yours, got his feet over. And he went like, damn, the chili sauce.

Am I lying? Bro, he got highlights on YouTube doing that. Listen, bro. Swear. Listen, his. Hell. Am I lying? Bro, he got highlights on YouTube doing that. Listen, bro. Swear. Listen, his. Hell. It did. He poking.

And, you know, when the guard bringing it up, you know, the motherfucker bringing it up, he ain't really thinking about the poking and all that because you're calling the plate and trying to see. Yeah. Well, that motherfucker's in your cavity. You got to either chicken wing him or, man, imagine. So, when I heard you say that, when I saw that clip, I was like, yeah, that's right on to what they was on. They was on harassment and really trying to break the point guard down.

Like, man, run him in the ground. So they got to bring the backup, and then we're going to run him in the ground. And that was our whole plan was to outwork you as a team. Nah, that was a fact. Position, position. I was tripling the ball playing one-on-one with him. It's a timeout. You know, TD Gordon

getting so loud. Right. Y'all stop. He's still right there in your face. He's calling a timeout. I'm still trying to beat him. Looking crazy.

They don't hear the whistle, though. Them two, just them two. Like, yo, yo, yo, yo. I'm talking to the bitch. I'm like... They playing one. They came out there,

get your ass over here. I'm like, oh, shit. I was like, yeah, I can't keep fucking with him. I ain't saying nothing else to him. Nah, he was serious. Who you like in the league as guards right now? Man.

You got a favorite? You got a favorite guard you like? My favorite point guard probably is Jalen Brunson right now. JB. Big body, cold. I see him come up when he's a little kid, bro. His development, bro. Yeah, and to see him get to where he was, like being at Villanova,

I never thought he would be this player. And then to see where he is now, knowing his dad, it's like, damn. Shout development, bro. Yeah, and to see him get to who he was, like being at Villanova, I never thought he would be this player. And then to see where he is now, knowing his dad, it's like, damn. When I saw, when I saw a couple times in Dallas, when he would take over games,

and then kind of come off it, you know, because he couldn't, he wouldn't go full throttle, but you saw the glimpses. Yeah. Because for a long time, they was trying to get rid of the mid-range.

Remember the mid-range? And just diagnostics, at least in data, that's not a good one. If you're going to shoot a da-da-da, make it a, you know, and then I think Houston

fucked that whole thing up when they came, Dan Morey came in and tried to really run. Yeah, yeah. So I say that, I say that to set up that I felt like,

man, he, you start to see it with the mid-range and then he just accepted that, yeah, I'm just going with the mid-range. And then he just accepted that. Yeah, I'm just going to go mid-range. I don't want to – if I got to stay in still three, cool. And then to put all that together, bro, you know the most –

I don't want to say disrespected, but it's probably the most underrated thing in our league, development. Nah, for sure. Man, don't nobody develop the young boys no more, man. And if so, You got one trainer Training a tall guy Training a center A forward

And a guard The same fucking way bro That's cause they Eliminated all the Old heads Bro the moves Look the same bro Like right now

I already know A young boy Gonna give me An in and out And he gonna cross And if he cross He probably gonna Step back left

Cause you already over him Yeah If he ain't doing that He doing the heads And all this It's like I'm watching the mood patterns boy going to give me an in and out, and he going to cross, and if he cross, he probably going to step back left because you're already over here. Yeah. If he ain't doing that, he doing the heads and all this, it's like I'm watching the move patterns be so similar that I don't see nothing coming out of that. I don't see nothing. So then I jumped in, and I was like, oh, okay. I said, I'm going to go see who, Cech invited me to come see him work out one day. I went to go see Cech work out.

I see his whole workout, what he was working out on, Tatum was working on. Kawhi was working on. Kawhi was working on. Fucking Brunson was working on. And I was just like, nah, man, you got to customize your own package. You got to customize your own bag. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Man, the bag looks similar throughout all of it.

You know what I'm saying? And that's real. Like you said, you can look at people with that game and it's like, oh, I know who he trained with in the offseason. I hate to say that. Even though I don't know the trainer, I'll see it look similar. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm saying.

And then that will bring you back to, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they do got the same. Oh, yeah, they do that type of thing. You talk about the mid-range. You talk about the guards in the league. You talk about SGA going crazy with the mid-range. And then you got to talk about, look, man, the house you built, the young guy in there reviving it,

A.E. Man, he nasty. How was that, man, for you to be the best player in typical history, to see the resurgence with young A.E., with a similar mindset, with like a work ethic, like how was that to like enjoy?

I love Ant's goal, man. I like his, I like his yesteryear demeanor, man. You know, I thought, I don't mind all the being cool because like you said, you know Gordon. You got guys from downtown that you fuck with, right?

Y'all see each other as cool, right? But it ain't cool to the point where Gordon gonna let you score or you gonna let... That's what I'm saying. The shit started to look buddy-buddy at one point. That's why it just didn't look like it was competitive or what I was used to seeing. So, you know what?

I had to get off that. This is a new generation, and this is what the game looks like now. So I started to go in that direction. But, man, I got to say, bro, like, yeah, I enjoy competitiveness. I enjoy when guys are, you know. Serping. Yeah, and I think that's a big part of it. Gamingship is another big part of it.

You know, I have never pulled up to a park and never seen anybody. You pull up to the park in those too. You know what I'm saying? I bust your ass in these. So fuck your conversation. I bust your ass in these for you. I'm the first stretch forward. I don't care what you did at Fergie. I got you. You ass in what? I'm a bushel ass in these fours. He's the first stretch forward. I was trying. I'm the first stretch forward.

I don't give a fuck. I don't care what you did at Fergie. I got you. You coming in the post. My nigga. Slow down. Right. I can't even.

Like, right. He grabbed the pillow. I'm having a. I'm having a. I'm glad I didn't have no drink. I'm having a grandma. Like, ooh, bushel ass nigga. What?

I'm talking about. We got a rim and drays. We got a rim and dr ooh, bust your ass, nigga. What? I'm talking about, we got a rim in Dre's? We got a rim in Dre's? Where the hell that? Hey, they got a rim in here, dog. We go right to, you know what I'm saying? Right. Slow down, dog.

Fuck about nothing. I don't know you, my nigga. I don't know you. They know you. They know you, nigga. I'm going to get to know you. Right. Fuck out of here.

Bust your ass, nigga. Right. Change my whole. What was the question you askedust your ass, nigga. Right. Change my whole. What was the question you asked about? You got on the shoes. Bro, I'll bust your ass and knees right here, boy. Not at the slipper slide. The whole special's right here.

You hear me? You still hoop? I'm going to tell you what I do, dog. I don't hoop. But I work out money through Friday. And just for if I got a little more fucking mouth and off, I can go up here. You know what I'm going to tell you what I do, dog. I don't hoop, but I work out money through Friday. And just for if I got a little motherfucker mouthing off, I can go up here. You know what I'm saying? I keep the dust off just enough.

But I'll be honest. I want to ask you this to see if you're having the same issue. Bro, I don't really go and hoop and turn it up, turn it up, because I already know that's going to send me, right? I don't have no place to put the hope, man. Yeah. Nah, that's how I am. Like, how do you turn off, T?

Have you turned it off? Yeah, I turned it off. I own a gym back in Indy, and we got a men's league, but I never play serious. You got to be playing, fucking around. I just be trying to stay in shape. They be testing me. And then, like, I played in the big three the other day,

and that moment happened. A dude scored on me. I was just chilling. He scored on like, I played in the big three the other day and that moment happened. A dude scored on me. I was just chilling. He scored on me a couple times. He was having a good day. And all of a sudden, it flipped. I'm throwing the ball at him.

I'm going. And I was like, this ain't even me. I'm a podcaster now. What am I doing? I got to relax. No, nigga, you a demon. Remember how you got the podcast.

You know what I'm saying? For sure. And embrace that, bro. Real shit. Real shit. They be trying him at the gym. Hey, listen I'm saying? For sure. And embrace that, bro. Real shit. Real shit. They be trying him at the gym. Hey, listen. That's why you go in there and you're supposed to bust that.

Whoever the fuck that is, you bust his ass and kill his confidence right there. See, when we play, I will never have this problem out this motherfucker. And when I see him, he going to come with, oh, man, oh, it's going to be super hateful. It's going to be there regardless. Okay, cool. But it's different after you play a nigga. And then you go in the mirror and look at yourself like, damn, I couldn't get a bucket on that motherfucker? And then you're going to look at them shoes and like, man, I don't want these shoes.

You're going to start. And that's what I was going for. I'm here to destroy your inner confidence, nigga. But you ever say no shit like that, you know, real nigga. Word up. See how you looking now Now you doubt what you said I'm ready

You got doubting I'm ready You don't look ready I'm ready Your voice ain't ready That ain't the right What that mean I'm gonna kill you with them Pumas on

What that mean You got a referee shoe on Get the court up Set the court up What we doing Tennessee Set the court up Hennessy All we got 101

Right Let's do a shot before we got them play, too, nigga. Oh, that's... I said before we play. I'm ready right now. I'm ready right now, too, nigga. You ain't said nothing. Before we get out of here, man,

I want to talk about one of the best point guards that does not get enough credit. And I think in this era, he would have got as much love as he should deserve. Steph Marbury, man. I feel like if he was in this era, dog have got as much love as he should deserve Steph Mulberry man I feel like if he was in this era dog we would give him way more praise like he's one of the ones from me always has been but I feel like in this league now the way they let the guards go crazy they do man he would go so crazy right now y'all had one of the best one two titles we ever seen

yeah playing with Steph was dope man Steph was a real friend too too. Yeah, real one. Yeah, yeah. I was friends with his brothers. You know, shout out to Don, Eric, Zach, all those guys. Sebastian, Fox, 530, all those guys. Yeah, I used to be in Coney Island early at 17, 18. Yeah. So when we got together in Minnesota, it felt like this is what we wanted to do. Yeah, man. And it made the game easy. You know, you're not playing with a guy that you fuck with.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. He know your speed. And then know, you're not playing with a guy that you fuck with. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. He know your speed. And then Steph, one of them, he was an IQ guy. You know, I had really good hands. And he used to always be like, Kev, you better have your hands ready. You know what I'm saying? Just knowing that he was unorthodox with his passes and his timing.

But bro trained differently. You know what I'm saying? He saw the world and the game differently. You know what I'm saying? He saw the world and the game differently. And when he played, I thought he did a great job of showcasing that. You know, Steph had pieces from all the guards that we love, the Ross Strickland's, the Kenny Anderson's, the Pearl Washington's, right? He had all those pieces when you look at all guard play, right? But then think about it, T, intelligence.

A lot of people don't tap into intelligence. A lot of people don't understand timing, what plays to call, his whole variety of who he playing with and what's the spreadsheet for them. You could probably tap into this a little bit, but when you go through a guard play and you analyze what it takes to be a polished guard, and not just polished on the blacktop, but I'm talking about a polished guard in the league and lead the team. Steph was one of those, you know what I'm saying? He looked up to A.I.

Him and A.I. had a bunch of back and forth. I think Steve Francis jumped in there later on, so I used to love to watch that. But Steph grew to want his own. I think once we got to Minnesota, I think that within himself,, you know, within himself, if you know anything about Steph,

has a really big personality. Yeah. Super New York, super C.I. You know, he call me out in Brooklyn until he die.

So when he came up in the zone, I'm like, yeah, I want to, I'm finna go back there. I'm finna go back home. I'm finna go back home

and try to do it all. I was mad because I was being selfish and wanting, you know, us to go and rock and see what we can be. Run it up. I was mad because I was being selfish and wanting us to go and rock and see what we can be. Yeah. But then when I thought about it, I was like, I can't even be mad because you only get one chance at this shit. And for you to be able to go to a franchise

and you be the head of it and you run it and get the half say and put the pieces in there that you want. Nah, bro, I can't even be mad at you. Then he was talking like he had some vision and where he wanted to go. And we ended up sending him to Jersey, which was, you know, not New York, but it was Jersey. And for him to go back there, he looked happier.

He was around his family and he was in his setting. And then I kind of came off it like, okay, he doing him. And then I didn't take it so personal. You know what I'm saying? It was just when he was on something like, oh, I want to be in Minnesota. Like, nah, nigga. You want to go do your own shit, which I can respect.

And, yeah, shout out to Steph, man. It was a good time when it was good. Hate that we didn't get to tap into that potential to see what we could have been. But, yeah, shout out to Steph for that, man. Underrated 20 and 8 for sure. Yeah, man. You don't get spoke on enough, bro. No, you don't, bro.

Yeah, you know what, too, man? You know the Yeah, man. You don't get spoke on enough, bro. No, you don't, bro. Yeah, you know what, too, man? You know the league, man. With your story and how you come through and things that follow you. Yeah. Man, they put all that on you. You know what I'm saying? If you got in trouble A, B, and C. I didn't say he did anything to fuck the game off or whatever,

but I know his situations in the nicks and and that whole debacle and how that whole played out and then him having to go to china and like steph should have never had to go to china you know what i'm saying stefan marbury had to go to china but showing to his true brilliance man he goes over there he takes over the league he becomes what we all know him to be the great spirit that that he is, you know what I'm saying? Yep. And he went over there and made the China League popular to where players go over there and play now. I don't know if they're going to go play after seeing the young boys sleeping in the fucking lobby.

That was crazy. Was that crazy? That's crazy. Listen, we talk about the NBA and these different leagues. The league is, I say this, it's professional. Yeah. You would never have a guy in none of those aspects and then two i'm thinking one where's your agent and where's your teammates

for sure that's the first thing i thought if you sleeping in the lobby where where's your other teammates yeah you know i'm saying and who's not speaking of you whole nother conversation i say but yeah shout shout to um no shout to steph doing, man. No, no, no. I say the young fella doing that, but I was just going back to Steph and being able to making China popular and all that shit. But, yeah, Steph was one of them question marks of what could have been. You know what I'm saying? Before we get out of here, man, last fan question for me, man.

One of my favorite pitches, one of the favorite passes, oops of all time, man, an all-star joint. You a cold, man. One of my favorite things I've seen on the basketball court, man. Yeah, shout out to Bing. Yeah, when we was coming up, when I first met that crazy motherfucker, Bing was super intense, super intense as a young kid. And then when we got to the All-Star game, we was in New York.

And they called the East out first. And we were sitting in the back. And I'm on. I am so on. I am on. I'm ready to get out here. Man, fuck them. You know, like, it was just, I was ready.

And it was the first time I saw him like nervous and nobody else was paying attention to shit you know we the youngest here so like yeah it's a it's a it's a it's actually a clip they don't play the whole clip but they play a piece of like yeah motherfucker we at the all-star game nigga we at the all-star game nigga not dappin you see if I'm in the back like this ready I said, nigga, you ready, nigga? We here now, nigga. We here now.

And I dabbed my arm. And he like, yeah, yeah, we at the all-star. I'm like, nigga, get your gas up. Hey, nigga, we going at this, nigga. Because they was already pumping him and Mike. Nigga, fuck him. Get out here. I'm looking for you.

Be ready. He said, all right, cool. And I be down. I'm talking about the second play in the game, third play. Boom, boom. I came down, took on the left side, and I looked looked up and I just put it right in the middle of the rim and where he was coming from. I timed it perfectly.

Lord, this nigga jumped so motherfucking high. And when I talk about that Vince Carter moment, boy, cold asses. I watched it from my perspective. I threw it. Yeah. So I watched him just... Boom!

He dunked that motherfucker dog when he came down. I was like, yeah, nigga, I told you for the fuck... I was on some nigga shit, boy. He was on some, like, let's be professional. Man, fuck that, man. Fuck, let's get it. So that energy coming out, playing. Yeah, that was a magical game

because MJ was looking for it, too. He wanted all smoke. Blowing his hand, licking his fingers and shit. It was on. The demon came out. He was in Madison Square. You know, he really activate when he in there, right? Oh, man, it was no bigger stage than center stage at MSG

and watching that going back and forth. MJ solidified himself, you know what I'm saying? But Kobe establishing himself right there, you know? That's a good moment. Man, what better way than this? Ticket. Go ahead, Jeff. Go ahead.

We here. That's an MVP right there. So you want an MVP, top 75. You did damn near everything you could do in basketball, bro. To transition to doing podcasts and being more open. Because me knowing you, when you played, you was the best teammate. My brother told me you were the ultimate teammate. Everybody in Minnesota told me you was the ultimate teammate.

The best bet you can have. But you never talked about players or nobody like that. So to see you show love to the young guys now is different, bro. Like most of the old heads that we used to say was old heads when I used to watch, they would show love to the young guys now. It's fire. It's different, bro. Like most of the old heads that we used to say like was old heads when I used to watch they would talk crazy about the young guys. Oh, they getting this money. They don't play. And then you come in.

You like, yeah, I love A.E. Yeah. Tyrese Halliburton, too. Put a lot of light on him. Yeah. Well, think about this, guys. Real shit. But when you play, man, man, at least for me, I couldn't play in that gray area.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Even though, I mean, Chauncey Billups, Teron Liu, Rasheed Wallace, these are my personal friends. Yeah. And I understood what it was when we all played. So, you know, when I played, man, I locked in to who was rolling with me. And if you notice, I never really fraternized with the other side. I doubt you say what up, but it was never like, you know what I'm saying?

Unless I really, really, that was probably maybe one or two or a handful of guys I count on one hand, right? So when it came to make a jump to broadcasting and stuff, I thought those experiences of being able to share some of those stories and, you know, the fact that I have never sat back and had a real conversation with you before we got here

to let you know my respects towards you and what I was a fan of yours and your body of work. And the reason why I was growling, I ain't growling at everybody. Ain't no nigga

ever going to come back up like, man, can't be growling at me yet. I'm only doing that to nigg up like, man, can't run out of there. Growling at me? I'm only doing that to niggas that I got. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. So I had a certain level of respect for you. So to come on here, let Jeff fill me, you know what I'm saying?

Let him know that, man, not only did I fuck with you, but your little brother, when he came to Brooklyn, I cuffed him. That's what this is. That's what, to me, that's what the podcast brain is laying this for. It's for me to be able to, I took all this experience, and let me just throw out these experiences. Hey, man, this happened to me over here. And that's all it is for me, to be able to make reference to things that I've been through, to what these young guys are going through,

to let them show that the parity is very similar, bro. Bro, you thinking it's hard, bro. Shit, y'all ain't practicing. Bro, imagine having to practice. Matter of fact, imagine thinking it's hard, bro. Shit. Y'all ain't practicing. Bro, imagine having to practice. Matter of fact, imagine doing two days for 30 days. Y'all ain't. So when I share some of this experience, it's only to bring it back to today's game because I think today's game, these young boys think a certain way, but man, bro, 15 years, 10 years ago, it was a whole nother way and a whole nother way of style. So taking that greatness too, bro, remember this about

yourself. You know, when you went to Wake Forest, you became great there. So taking that greatness too, bro, remember this about yourself. You know, when you went to Wake Forest, you became great there. You came to league, you established a greatness about yourself so much that you got a brand now to where you got a podcast. You coming up here speaking on

not just in the NBA experience, but IQ and articulating for your audience, right? That's a greatness. It was no way I think I was going to come in here and see you 265 or overweight, looking like a bum. No. You know what I'm saying? Bro, because you got a greatness about you. So I would expect that when you walk off the court to have the same thing. But I tried to dominate every point that I was on the court.

Who's to say you put that up when you step off of it? You know, I just took that same energy. I put it into something else. If you ask my partners at Content Cartel my my my partners that tell you how hard i go at that when we put out when i when we put our uh shows together i'm up all night i don't use no cards just all off my dome i rip and this is my this is my vision for the world and what i want to give them for when we shoot i shoot it with p who's my real best friend in real life. And he's as crazy as they come. So y'all get to see the two guys

who real best friends talk basketball in front of y'all. And so we, you know, we clean it up as much as we can, but we like to be ourselves.

We dress how we fucking dress. We come in here. You know what I'm saying? Like, like all this put the nigga in the box and have him talk like this and wind him up

and then end it with a do-ah. That shit out of here. Fuck that. Niggas ain't doing that shit no more fire man bro you know what it's from us yeah and that's what i love about y'all show y'all show fire because it's from y'all yeah you know i'm saying i love how you came on here talking your shit no thank you i'm saying keep going no thank you bro i still want them it's all good lord and then you're gonna be careful on how you gotta you know i'm saying? Yeah, man. I ain't no bus driver, my nigga.

Nah, I don't some real shit. For real. I wore a 21 because of you. Oh, that's real shit, bro. That's respect. That's respect. That's respect. Before you even probably started watching our pod,

when we first started talking, and they used to join on me for being like the first 5, 10, power 4. He was my favorite power forward, bro. And you said you was the first face up, what you say? First face up. Four, bro. At 5'10, bro. I like that.

I called it the praying mantis. Yeah, and I was built like this. So you've been this size your whole body, your whole life? Yep. Shout out to my grandma's side. Nah, dawg. You ain't got a chance in here. Maybe she's overkillin'. Nah. You got chance to kill it.

16-10, KG. 16-10? What's that mean? That was my stats. Oh, word. For sure. In Indianapolis? Yeah, and I played

with George Hill, too. Yep. Yep. Where the fuck is George Hill at these days? He live in San Antonio. He on the farm. He on like a...

Yeah, I saw that nigga. I thought he was in. That's George. That's the Dreds. George Hill. Light skinned George Hill. Yeah, yeah. My bad.

My bad. I'm thinking of George Hill. Arizona. No, no, no. Shout out to Jay. Shout out to George. No, George Hill. Yeah.

George Hill. Bad motherfucker. George Hill. Bad motherfucker too, boy. Yeah. Yeah. Talk shit. Yeah.

Little light skinned ass nigga. Yeah. Y'all fuck with G though. He got people, man. We appreciate you for coming on though, man. This is for real, for real. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. Y'all fuck with G though. He got people, man. We appreciate you for coming on, though, man. This is for real, for real. I'm here, man. As Hennessy tradition, you know what I'm saying?

One time for the one time. Oh, that's what's up, man. Cheers. To the ticket. Cheers, y'all. Cheers. Cheers, y'all. Anything is possible.

Yes, sir. My dog. Anything is possible. Straight up. All right, man. This is a blessing, man. We had the legend bless us with his presence, man. For sure.

Check my man's out. Constant going crazy. Him and P keep it entertaining. Keep it authentic. You you know what it is club 520 hennessy we're about to go to drazer had a real fun we appreciate y'all rocking with us hennessy arena's been a hell of a time we're gonna catch y'all the next time we out yeah 520 the made for this mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise above their inner struggles and face the mountain in front of them. So during Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being, and then climb that mountain. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify.

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