Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Matt Barnes on guarding Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul-Blake Griffin Clippers BEEF, Warriors

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 90 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, and B Hen are joined by Matt Barnes, where he talks about his journey through his NBA career as well as being one of the first basketball players to have a podcast with ‘All The Smoke.’ Barnes talks about the Kevin Durant and Steph Curry Golden State Warriors being the BEST team in modern NBA history, guarding Los Angeles Lakers legend Kobe Bryant, the Chris Paul and Blake Griffin Los Angeles Clippers team, and much more!Timeline:0:32 - Episode Start1:15 - Black forces & white laces2:30 - Kobe's defense4:00 - Best 2-way players ever6:15 - Kawhi Leonard situation7:45 - LA teams and the "We Believe" Warriors9:45 - Becoming an elite defender11:45 - Klay's 60 vs. Teague13:00 - Matt's Clippers vs. Warriors13:45 - Best team of our era: KD's Warriors?15:15 - Fans smoking in Oracle15:50 - Smoking at coach's house w/Woody Harrelson16:50 - Baron Davis Top 5 without injuries18:20 - All-American football player20:00 - Matt Barnes' hard fouls21:00 - Kobe: Hardest player to guard21:45 - Low-key tough covers22:30 - All the Smoke origin story26:30 - Work after the NBA29:00 - Shadiness in the industry31:45 - "The Jeff Teague championship"33:45 - KD's return & Matt's injury36:15 - Lob City Clippers team39:15 - 2025 L.A. Clippers40:15 - Trae & Atlanta Hawks43:15 - Clippers or OKC Thunder?44:30 - Chris Paul46:00 - Work-Life balance49:15 - Coaching AAU basketball52:30 - If Barnes had NIL money54:00 - Coaching his kids57:00 - NBA is a "highlight sport"58:15 - Teague jersey no draws01:00:00 - B Hen meeting Jeff storyAll lines provided by hardrock.bet#VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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let's just get straight to it though yeah uh you know we just we just did your pot you know i mean shout to y'all for having us on but we left off talking about how jeff said coby can play defense hold on hold on no no he said he said he don't play what do you say he said something like after a while they just started giving it to him i'm not don't do that is that what you said boulders get it's boulder fatigue yeah for sure but i was saying Kobe could play defense when he won't but see i only saw a clip so i might have missed the context Yeah, I was like... You know what I'm gonna play defense, though.

No, I ain't saying he didn't play defense, but he made it, what, 11 times? 12. 12, and he was nine times. Nine first team, I think. And I was like, when you think of Kobe Bryant, you don't think about it as the best two-way player ever. But literally his stats say he's the best two-way player ever. He is, bro.

And I'm like, you don't think that. Like, you don't think he's a better defender than Scotty Pippen. But the stats say and O'WR said, you're a better defender than Scott. But I also think maybe because the scoring, overshadowed with the kind of work he was putting on defense. You know what I mean? And I would agree. I mean, obviously, I think younger in his career as he was trying to get started,

he was more locking in on D because he had to be, you know what I mean? And I think as the team kind of became his and he grew, he was still locking on D, but he went and got people like Ron our test. He went to got people like me. Like, we used to really fight because me and Ron would take the best players. If the niggas scored two, two, three buckets, just, oh, I got him. I got him. So we'd have to argue with bro.

Like, no, we got it, bro. you save all that energy for office and we'll handle this. But he was definitely a competitor, someone that just to see again, playing against him for a long time and then playing on the same team as I mean, you just got to see a whole other side of just his dedication and just how sick he was of trying to be the greatest thing. He said, M.B., I got to get six. He's like, I got to be able to sit at that table with MJ. Like, he was so dead set on being able to get that one more ring so he could be in that table and that conversation with MJ. but he was a sicko when it came to just get into it daily, period.

No, I mean, I ain't said he couldn't play defense. I just said, I don't know. Yeah, I was saying that. I just said that the head of the best two-way player ever. It just didn't come to mind for me for Kobe Brown. I was like the best score and one of the best offensive players. I mean, I would put him in MJ as probably the best two-way players.

Yeah. Did you say that? Or who else would you throw in there? I mean, obviously, Scotty was great, but Scottie didn't have the offense that those guys have. Scott, he had great D, but he, you know, obviously he could play offense too, but it wasn't just the numbers that those two had put up. Yeah, I mean, I would say Michael Jordan because, um, but now that they're doing his stats and stuff, his stills was kind of fake or whatever. I live for my own style, man, he'll start killing me.

I'm playing. They said that about John Stockton, didn't they say they were deflating his shit. Hey, after my boy didn't take that COVID shot, they said, well, actually, hey, half that shit fake. I said, damn, they ain't hate him. There's no way he got that many more assistance CP, bro. crazy and steals too right yeah yeah now john stockton was crazy there used to be a little bit of home cooking

for sure coah winner is up there too though two way players yeah i just think you don't get enough get to see enough of him like anthony davis you don't get to see enough of these guys on consistent level we know when they're out there and healthy they're incredible they can change games coi has won finals MVP's but just the consistency of being able to be out there night in night out when you don't feel it or you're hurt or whatever the situation

may be they've got you know whether it's too many miles or just injuries that won't allow them to get through them. To me, it kind of takes them out of those conversations because you just don't get to see enough of them. We decided last week on the morning show that Quile Leonard is the best NBA player of all time. He's had the best NBA career of all time. For sure.

Because what my boy got going on right now, legendary, uncharted waters. The hustle is cold. They got a plant company paying him 28 million? Tree stump. Tree stump. No trees in sight. Uncle Hens. They're on the way.

They take away. Popo Torres, trying to mess up the vows. God, buddy, hate him, bro. He got to chill. That's what I asked my team the other day. They're like, man, that's great journalism. I think it's life going to be safe. Like, he's trying to blow the top off of shit.

Hey, Uncle Dennis is. He said, hey, the invoice and pay, tap in. Yeah, on me. Uncle Dennis. Shout out of the shit, right. Is that snitching, though? It is. Or is a journalist just being a great journalist doing his job?

He don't got no ties to Kuala Leonard. You said that ain't got. You're messing up for you. The person who worked for that company. up in the quote unquote that's who snitching that's the person that they they messed it like they changed his distorted his voice so he couldn't tell who it was come on me they put the american's lost wonder voice off yeah you could tell he still had a little bit of sugar in that tank the auto two couldn't take it away can't fight it sometimes right when they see you

ain't nothing wrong with it I can say love who you want to love here so many of them dudes they got who spoke let me hear everybody yeah that's who got all the tea though using that community got all the tea so it makes sense He said the trouble was coming through for us. He had a clock at once in a space. Hey, what's what we was, man? You're a nut, man. Matt, you had a crazy career, man.

What's one of your favorite teams that you played for? Man, I got to, I think the California, I'm a California dude, man. For sure. I went to UCLA and been in California pretty much my whole life. So being able to, you know, go to UCLA, play for the Lakers, play for the Clippers. That was dope. And then, you know, when I was with the Clippers, We were better than the Lakers.

You know, that was that Lobb City team. A.C. Jamal Crawford, Blake, DeAndre, JJ. We had a team. And they'd get a chance to play with Kobe and Pau and buying them and that cruel. And then the Golden State, you know, we had a crazy we believe run in 2006, 7,8. And then to go back the year before I retired and get a chance to play with Steph, Clay and KD and Dre, you know, the interesting thing about that team was as great as they were is how they took our

it to the next level and you know put four rings on it they were so fascinated about the way that team got down what was so and so like what was it like when y'all went out what no no like the media the fans the players it was just like a fascination about that team that almost became urban legend because if you think about it all we fucking did was win the first round we lost the second round but you know you know that just kind of the mystique and the oar that have grown from it But, you know, I'll probably say those three teams are probably my three favorite. That we believe shit was so culture. Yeah, yeah, it was.

That was just culture. Like, that means a lot to the BD. Doug or at K-47. Come on, bro. Like, that's history for us. That was a bunch of, you know, kind of misfits, so to speak. You know what I mean? I was trying to make the league at the time. You know, Jack had gotten some shootouts and some trouble in Indy, and he got shipped to our team.

Barron was talented but injured. Jay Rich was there, but hadn't really had no help. you know the way we were able to kind of just come together as a young Monte Ellis fresh out of high school Mississippi Bullitt. I mean, and for us to kind of just bring it all together in the last and you know, Jeff, I mean, the season really could start it after All-Star, so for us to

put all that together after All-Star and win 16 out of 22 games to make the playoffs, it was a crazy room. How did you lock in on defense like that? When did you come into the league? No, I kind of learned because you know, I was a guard in high school. When I went to UCLA, we had back-to-bath the number one recruiting classes and super loaded with all McDonald's, all-Americans, and five-stars.

So to get on the court, I had to go down and play the power forward. And this is like when power forward or really power forward. So I had to kind of move around down there. And then when I got to the league, I had to move back to guards because that's 2002. So that's when you're really in your position. One, two, and three and four were all very different. Right. I mean, you threw the ball in the post before you shot a three.

You got the rebound and throw it to the point guard so you can push the break the game, which is different. So it just kind of took me a minute to kind of read. Justin find that, but I just knew I was a football player at heart, so just defense and physicality was something that I love. But I, you know, as I kind of started hanging my hat on it, I mean, I just felt like I had the greatest job in the world. Every single night, I got to guard the best player on the other team. So that's Mello one night, Kobe, KD, Ron, Duane Way, Paul Pierce, T-Mack, you know, you know, used to every single night, I was guard that person. So that's, you know, obviously, yeah, well, you want to score 20 or 30, but I really kind of took that challenge.

Jeff, I know these guys are great scores, but, you know, I'm going to make him earn everything. So that was just the mentality I went out there with. I feel like great defenders got the easiest job. From what standpoint? Because if you get killed, the person, you get killed. They're the best player in the league, but if you stop them, you look amazing. Yeah, and that was the thing, I mean, you know, Jeff, you're someone that could play offense. I mean, it's really, when you get to a certain level, defense makes a difference, but motherfuckers are so good.

Yeah, you just don't make shots for them at the end of the day. all you can do. That's why I used to be like, I don't care about going to go out my match up. Put me on Kyrie. He's going to get 30 on everybody. But if I make him get 21, my damn, I did I hate. My job, man, him work. Yeah. That's his journey. I mean, I never play, so I can't speak on that.

No, but you think about it. Like, TJ McConnell, no disrespect to TJ. But he's so been, he'd get me 30. You look crazy. Or Deladova. Yeah, shut the fuck. He had won the game. Did he? Is it true? He played with Brian, bro.

Oh, we got both the tape, Louise. He probably had like 12. We know you didn't think defense serious, bro. I didn't. I respect. That was my, that was my criminal. You know that Clay game when Clay got 60 that was on, bro. Was it?

Yeah. I did not guard him in one possession. We're talking about defense, bro. I didn't guard him not one. I didn't help. I didn't do anything. It's like hollas. There's no help rules on Steph, right?

No, you know. I was going to step. Or, or Clay. But what was it like seeing that and being in the A-O-A, whether it was on you or not? Like, what was it like to just see a motherfucker of that unconscious? Bro, I couldn't believe it because, like, we were only down, like, 14. So we're like, when we're in the game? And coach was like, somebody put a fucking hand up.

Like, we are. It was like, yeah, he got 42. We were like, what the fuck? It's the second quarter. We're like, what? And PG was like, I got him. He's like, I don't give what I got him. 60.

I was just on there laughing after a while. I just started looking for my stats. So I need 15 and 8. I was like, Nate, I'm good. Take me out now. Any crazy games you remember playing with them? No, I'm more against them because, you know, that Lob City team, not that we were big bros because we never really won anything,

but we're kind of the team in the Western Conference that was kind of holding. Like, we were the last team to beat him in the playoff series the year that Sterling got banned from the NBA before they went on their run. So just kind of see what they were on. And one thing I'll say is like obviously playing against them and playing with them. Like, Draymond was the heart and soul of that team. I remember before Steph was even established when CP was the man.

He's like, man, fuck that. Like, I'm, I'm riding with Steph every day. Steph's the best point guard. And this is before Steph eventually became the best point guard. But I just think his confidence that he had and his toughness allowed those two guys to kind of play a lot freer. And they were tough, bro. They were just, when they went away, they'd get on a burner. And then you throw KD in that mix.

I mean, that was probably the biggest cheat code. And, you know, people still talk. is that one of the greatest teams or if not the greatest team, you know, ever assembled. I feel like that's probably the greatest team of our generation. I don't see too many teams doing shit with that squad. I don't think no team in history can beat them with that set of rules. If you change the rules and you're going back to the 90s

or the 80s with the Lakers and the hand check and the pace of the game or Mike's time where you can really play lockdown defense, but with the pace and the inability to really put your hands on somebody, they got too much scoring. Too much. Yeah, I think they can be. that 0-1 Lakers team? Come on, man.

30 ball. They's going to put Shack and pick a rose and foul him out. You're right. No one could guard him on the block. That's a fact.

They're shooting three. Trading two for threes. Trading two for threes. Bro, Steph is going to put him in that pick and roll. He's going to be in that drop coverage. 11 threes.

Murder. They got big glory up there. Freaky Fox. Ain't enough, that's a friend. That's out of Fox. He's going to earn his paycheck that day. He's going to have a long day.

They're going to have a long day. They get. I respect. they're getting torched. Come on, bro. He's tortured them, bro. I respect him. But the pace, too, you've got to think that, like,

the pace they played in that time. The pace is this. Obviously, up and down, and you can blink and they can go on 11 another run in 30 seconds. I mean, so it was just, they were different. I've never seen demoralizing basketball like that. Like, we've seen MJ kill, we've seen Bronn killed. But they, like you said, them runs, they will have,

and just the entire game is over the, especially at Oracle, the crowd yelling, you out of the game in two minutes. Yeah. I remember about Oracle back when we played. That she smelled like a dope sack. They just smelled like a trap house. That's your dad smoked so much weed in there while we were playing, bro.

It was crazy. Even my dad one time. Why we were playing? You could see the smoke cloud. You can smell it, but you can see the smoke cloud at the top of the arena. My dad smoked cigarettes like that. What did you do at halftime? I'm going out there to smoke cigarettes, but everyone started smoking weeds.

I just pulled my joint out and started smoking weed with him. I said, word. Damn. There was cracking. It was blown dope. That had to be the only place. In the spot. Doing that, bro.

in the city Jackson and Nelson setting the vibe bro man for real no we smoked at our coach's house one time after we won that playoff series we told a story about this too

we won we beat Dallas in game six Stack and Nellie used to live in the same condo on the late and Stack was like in the middle and Nelly had the whole penthouse so we went to Jack's house and smoked first

and we went up to Nellie's house to say hi before we was about to hit the streets as soon as you walk in there Hey fellas Woody Harrells is in the back rolling doobies go smoke with them We're like, what the fuck?

This is he what we're talking about? We went the back and smoke weed with Woody Harrison at our coach's house and then we hit the streets. That's a hell of memory. That's a post game. It was right after the game. It was right after the game. Not a pregame for the street.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, before we hit the street. The real game begins. Definitely, definitely. I heard you just like, he didn't even care what happened next. He was just a cool. He checked out. He wanted to beat Dallas so bad.

We were, we were so ready for Dallas. It was crazy. But that motherfucker kicked his feet up after we beat Dallas. How's it? Damn. BD was dynamic back to him. Come on, man.

The crazy part, he had a bad back and a bad knee and he was still average in 30. I say if Baron Davis' body doesn't give out on him, he's probably easily one of the top five points of all time because strength, speed, athleticism, shot making, defense. He'd have a hole in his offensive game. He would lock down on defense. He was big and strong. He's one of the, you know, before Westbrook and before Derek Rose, it was Barron, dunking on everybody you know that means but his body just gave out but still even on

one leg and in a bad back he was still giving people the fits so you don't even got no excuse talking about your knees he's talking about beatings still cook ain't nothing in there I play 12 yeah ain't nothing in there that one fuck's gone it's a grind though did you heard it is beat up uh I saw when I uh my last year in Milwaukee I was gonna keep playing and I was playing this dude Jordan or Jordan or I think it's I can't remember I was planning one on one and I heard a pop I'm like I think I hurt my knee bro he was like what you ain't do nothing I was like yeah I think I hurt my knee we went and played the Pacers I played on it

and then I couldn't do nothing the next day I'm like man they took me to get MRI and it was like yeah you need micro fracture surgery I was like nigga what nobody do that no more and it was like basically it's over it's like yeah it's it was like you can you know you can rehab and give it a go I'm cool bro I heard you was cold and football bro what made you you know what I mean transition oh yeah I grew up playing football yeah I was all-American led the nation touchdowns from the receiving position yeah I just at the time this is before the Jimmy Grams and and Antonio Gates and everyone was really crossing over and I was six eight so I didn't really see no six they do to see how they was getting hit across the

middle or what they would do after so I was just recruited by, you know, just as many schools to play football or play both. But just when I went to UCLA, I decided to lock in. I had to work for basketball. Basketball was, wasn't, like, football was my natural sport. Basketball was something I had to work at. So, you know, just had to start grinding and find my way. How do you do that, though? Like, being one of the best players in the country in football and just like, nah, I'm cool. Just longevity. Like I said, I didn't see, I felt, and I don't ever like to disrespect no sport, because to be able to make it to the top is you got to be, but, you know, I was 6-8, you know, 39-inch Burt, ran a 4-37, 107, 4-3-9.

Jesus, courage. He was the best receiver. Mad and pros. I really run routes, you know what I mean? So it was, and that's why, you know, I just called myself a basketball, a football player playing basketball once I made the NBA. Like, I love physicality. I get out in the lane and finish, you know, like I'm running the route.

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Yeah. I mean, and after I left, you know, and it was in the league, that's when dudes were never played no football at all. We're hopping from, you know, Antonio Gates didn't play no football. hop from, you know, the NCAA tournament to the NFL and other guys kind of follow suit, but it just wasn't really happening when I came out. Oh, no. I understand now. This motherfucker foul so hard.

He was a, bro, it's foul. He fouled you, I just, you know, I can't, you know, I grew up, I was born in 1980. So when I watched basketball, bro, I was bad, like, that's when the niggas was punching each other and just getting a foul for it. You know what I mean? So, you know, when you go shoot a floater and somebody tried to, like, swiping, behind like when he swipe you could like shit like yeah I'm gonna try to take it off

I'm gonna take your head off but you know we we came from where you know you don't if they're gonna foul them don't let you get their arms up yeah you know what I mean and then again having to gar code with all them pump fakes once I got tired of the pump face I'll just go get that at the line bro you just you had to find a way to survive

you know what I mean you had to find a way to survive and make you a niche and you know once I was able to do that you know the career kind of came along with it was that the hardest person for you to go out in the league? Yeah, I missed MJ by year. So I kind of feel like Kobe's skill set was, you know, obviously, you know, you look at Brown's greatness and the all-time leading score

and top five and assists and KD's effortless scoring and T-Max scoring and Paul Pierce is scoring. But Cove was different from attacking. Nothing was preconceived. He would look at you and how you're lined up or how you're swiping at the ball and then attack any weakness he saw. So it was just, it was always, it was more of a mental game than anything with him because he was going to try to destroy you.

mentally and outthink you the entire game. I've studied it depending on anything else. Yeah, who's the name that, you know, people don't mention that's a tough cover. Like that you came across. I think two guys that I think were good players had

the skill sets to be great playing. And I don't say that with all due respect, no disrespect intended, but Rudy Gay has so much motherfucking game. Two K, legend. And then Jeff Green has so much game. Both them dudes on both sides of the ball. Maybe this is just nice guys, maybe. You know, just nice guys off the

rip that if they had a different mentality, I felt like they could have been. But God, I mean, I didn't really, I didn't really get a chance to see like a, I was always guarding the number one. Yeah, sure. Really a chance for someone off the bench to come and cook or, you know, obviously played with and against Jamal Crawford and how great he was. But I was always guarding beat one. So it wasn't really worried about nobody else because I had my hands full with the one. No, for sure. Man, you mentioned some killers right there for sure.

I want to ask you this question. Obviously, you know what I'm saying? Career is none. All the smoke, all the smoke productions. How does that come about? Oh, man, we was smoking at my house today. Me and no bullshit, me and Jack was smoking in my crib in Berkeley. And we were both.

I had just finished maybe a year out, and Jack had finished two years before me. We were doing ESPN and Fox and enjoying it and good feedback. I was just like I kind of felt at ESPN as Disney. And I've always been a habitual line stepper. I've never really fallen in line with the Disney Protocol. So I was just thinking, although ESPN was great and I had a great time, there wasn't really who I was. So I was just like, let's do a podcast.

He's like, what's a podcast? Like, I don't know, but I know we could drink a smoke. He's like, I'm in. And then from there, I speak on a DeMarcus cousin's documentary in the producers. Like, hey, I heard you want to do a podcast. Like, how do you hear that? He's like, I want to meet you, I want you to meet my friend Brian Daly at Showtime. He's launching Showtime Digital.

It's a basketball platform. I'm like, I don't know what that is, but cool. He flew out from New York. We sat down at a hotel in Santa Monica. I pitched him the idea. Initially, they didn't want Jack. They just wanted me. I'm just like, no, I can't.

If it's not us, it's not nothing. So he kind of went back and forth with that for a little bit. They said, fine. We launched this shit. We didn't really know what it was because, again, I probably think knuckleheads was maybe four to six months before we came out. No one really knew what this space was. There was no bar.

There was no. there was no scouting report on what was going on so we just came out and you know the first season we got sports podcast of the year we knocked out all the cow and cowherds and all the old or white dudes that had kind of been dominating the space and from there we were off and running so we were there i think we're at showtime about three and a half four years and we started hearing whispers about paramount was going to come and buy showtime and they didn't know if you know if the sports side was going to last which was crazy to me because as big as we were at the time and then boxing Showtime boxing was as big as it's been in years. So when we started hearing that, you know, although people started panicking, I'm like, you know, I was someone too, obviously would be in the talent and helping create. Like I was also the one in our first couple years negotiating our deals. So I got to see behind the curtain and learn the game.

So, you know, when it was time to make a decision, like let's start our own shit. I launched the company, told Brian Daley at the time, he, you know, was figuring out what was going on. I was like, you know, once everything clears, you took a chance on us. We owe a lot to you. We got a position for you, me stacking in our homewood, Jilani, and we launched this thing. And we went live as a company, the beginning of last year, and signed a big deal with Draft Kings and a little bit over a year and a half. Now we're vertical in basketball, boxing, MMA.

We're just launching NFL. We're in talks with MLB to be doing some stuff with them. We're doing a political side. So it's just, it kind of caught fire. We're doing docs and scripted series. so it went from a show to an entire company and like 35 employees in our own building now and it got real you know what I mean so we were able to flip you know a flip a show into an entire company so it's been it's been a blessing bro I want to say congratulations on all that by the way because people don't know how hard that is to run the podcast by itself yeah you all just turned that to a juggerna out of a business especially covering all different sports yeah that's a really hard task so salute to y'all first and foremost it was dope too I mean obviously we're here to support and watch the fight, but it was beautiful to see, like, we're here as all the smoke fight. You know, we got Andre Roy Jones out there.

And then, you know, Ak and Barack, we got our fighting and morning combat. So we got our fighting side. And then me and Jack, we're kind of just in here, you know, just to show face and talk a little bit of shit. But really, this is us supporting the boxing side of our company. And it's crazy, you know what I mean, to think like a podcast of two dudes smoking weed, talking shit turned into like a, you know, this will be a couple hundred million dollar company. in the next few years. Man, that's... A couple hundred million.

I think that's true. Did you always see yourself in some type of media after NBA? No, I'm sorry. To be honest with you, like my first job when I retired, because I invested well, so you know, when we won the championship with the Warriors, I still had two years left on my deal.

So when I decided to retire, I gave myself a two-year window to kind of chill out and figure out what was next. And media was never on the pay. My first, no bullshit. My first real thing I was adamant was about, being the shield for current players smoking weed. So I was flying back and forth, meeting with the PA and meeting with the league about understanding this plant, studying this plant.

You guys are pumping us full of these pills that are masking one thing and causing long-term effects and you're killing people's career because we smoke. Like, you guys got to really start taking a look at that. So, you know, we pushed that line for a couple years and, you know, come bubble time. They stopped testing and then shit they haven't tested since. So that was kind of like my first mission as a former player myself. And shout out to Al Harrington, my dog. over at Viola.

Shout to out. Yeah, we were really just trying to push the line and waking the NBA up. So I like to think that we had a small part to do with that. And then, you know, a friend of mine just that, you know, you're so well spoken in your interviews, you should start doing media, but you got to think, like, my career caught the tail in or the beginning of social media, like, where people really speaking up and kind of doing their own thing. Like, we didn't have an 02, you know, what the media said was it.

So, you know, my generation, we didn't really fuck with the media. you know there was obviously some people you respected you were cool with but there was a lot of people with hidden agendas and motives and with twist shit so it was almost like talking to the cops so i didn't really fuck with the media but my friends just like if you don't like it help change it yeah i can't change this shit and there was obviously already already athletes in the space but i think when we were able to come in show our face on the networks but then cross over and go to this digital side and just start talking real shit i didn't realize that we are inspiring everyone else to be like damn if because we were you know we're we're we're both. I mean, obviously, Jack could put the ball in the basket better than me, but we're role player journeyman. You know what it mean? So I felt like if we could do it, that would inspire anyone else to be able to do it. And I didn't think that it would have the following and the appreciation and then just the almost the crowdedness of this space now. So, you know, we put our head down and went to work. I was saying a small amount of time, you know, I'm saying it's almost in this situation. Now it's never become a standard that people

never have to try. They feel like they have to tap into. What's the new way people get their media yeah i mean i was talking to you know big boy i don't know if you guys are in front but big boy big boy the radio do i did his show the other day and he was just talking about how you know these companies used to pour into radio and this is how they got there but he's just like the money's not there no more the money's here you know we're you know we're former athletes or whatever like we're influencers for these brands and they're ready to give you know whatever they feel you can bring back to them you know i mean so it's just it's a crazy open space and i don't look at nobody in whether it's basketball or sports in general i don't look at no one

competition because I feel like we all have our different journeys and experiences and in ways to tell the stories that that we've been through that to me it's just to me it's more I'm a fan now so I much rather hear Jeff and y'all speak than I don't give a fuck how good you are at your job if you've never done it like there's some stuff you're going to miss and not understand so I'd rather hear it as a fan I want to hear from someone who did it and I think that you know we were fortunate enough to inspire a lot of people to be like hey let's let's go really talk our shit and tell our stories and have fun and once you you get good at this there's real money in this space like real money in this space so i was just like man you're gonna pay me basketball money to smoke weed and talk shit on tv fuck out and that's why some people all the time as a journalist with a heavy journalism background that's cool i can watch basketball my entire life love it but there's nothing i can i'll speak y'all because y'all been in those situations i've been in those words i've been in them trenches that's the experience that you can't speak on and it means a lot yeah there's i mean there's some fools that play that can't that don't know shit still that's a fact too but for the most part there are guys that stand out for you know being

to articulate our thoughts our feelings and and what we've been through you know what i mean and you know you can call those guys out and the one thing i just don't like those i'm just not a big fan of guys who played that talked the shit like they never played like bro you know how tough it is to go through what these dudes are going through or what they did or what's going on and you act like you've never been in that locker room and you but the fucked up part is they're getting rewarded for it you talk that reckless crazy disrespectful click bait shit and next thing you know you got you're on more shows and you're getting more money and i'm just like y'all falling for the bait that was my one thing when i was with these

networks is i would i would never say anything i wouldn't say to somebody's face you know they would this is this is the take i was like that's not my take like i'm not going to say that like this is this is how i'm going to say it but they always kind of wanted because you know unfortunately like drama sells disrespect sells you know i mean and it's it's the more clicks but to me i'd rather get the clicks from just giving you some real shit or having an authentic conversation than trying to trick you into saying some dumb shit that's going to go viral. I agree. No, I agree with that.

I mean, I don't really know if no athletes doing that. Yeah, no more to me, but I feel like a lot of people. But I'm saying, just in general, even outside of athletes, people do go for that quick click that shit for sure. It's hard not to. But to me, I don't think there's a ton of longevity in that because when it comes to a time, you can't really just speak on the dumb shit and you have to, like, speak to what you know. What are you going to do?

That's true. That's true. You know, me and Matt can relate, man. He got a Jeff Teague championship. What's that? We were just on the 10. Yeah, absolutely. No, I told my story.

Like, my whole thing was too. So that year was crazy. So I was in SAC to start that year and just thought that's my hometown. I thought I was going to, you know, I got a three-year deal. They just got a new arena, maybe help get this team to the playoffs. Like the playoffs. A long time. Like, it was lighting the fuck out that being.

And then the fun of it. part was that whole season, bro. I was like the boogie whisperer. Like anything about DeMarcus cousin from the owner to management to the coaches, go tell DeMarcus this. Fuck y'all. Y'all don't want to tell them? Y'all scared?

Like, you know, but they was really tick towing around, bro. And, you know, that's my, that's my little big homie. And so I would kind of relay messages. And as we're getting towards, I want to say, like, heading towards an all-star break, we're maybe two, three games out of the A spot, thinking like, okay, let's make a cool little run and maybe make the playoffs. they trade this nigger why he's on the podium at all-star i remember that in new orleans post-game and they were telling the whole time no you're good you're not going to work make sure demarcus knows

he's he's he's a king for life and i'm you know i'm in the snow smoking one watching shit next thing i know demarkis cousins traded and i was like what the fuck so you know i call management and yeah you know we're gonna start over i'm like this has been a been a start-over franchise what we're talking about so you know i tell us just i'm too old to start over. And I'm 36 at the time. It's like, what do you want to do? I was like, I want to go to a good team.

So, you know, we worked my situation out. And I was able and right at the same time. Unfortunately, KD went down with a hyper extended knee and I went from SAC to Golden State. And I was playing the, playing good, like my first game, you know, played 20, 25 minutes for that team. So I was consistently in the rotation. The game KD comes. KD's out for like two months. The game KD comes back.

The first game back, bro. I want to say I start off. good to hit my first two threes and come down on someone's foot and it's the worst sprint ankle in my career like swollen even has my legs swollen I'm like what the fuck so by the time I'm feeling any we're maybe about a week or two out from the playoffs of the fun by the time I'm feeling halfway decent we're already in the western conference finals and haven't lost a game so I'm just like as a vet I know how tight playoff rotations get and you go with what's working so they're not going to bring someone like me who's been hurt for this long and fuck up the flow

the game. So I just kind of, it was hard for me because I felt like I fought my whole career to be in that position. And before I was hurt, I was contributing to that team. But once the playoff came and I was hurt, you know, I just kind of turned into a fan and, you know, help, you know, help Draymon through some tough times, you know, help Clay through some tough times. It was just kind of just a super vet for those guys. But yeah, like I didn't even. So they had a special, I missed the ring ceremony, the fall in you. So they had a special ring ceremony for me. But I got the ring. I got my son's rings. And then I put the, the ring in a in a room at the arena so I could watch the game and then we bounced early and

I forgot about the ring and I just wasn't really to the same like I don't count that you know I didn't count that shit you know what I mean so next oh your rings here I was like okay I'll be and I wasn't even really living in the city at the time I was in L.A. or I was like I'll find out a wait if I want to say they had that motherfucker for like two and a half years and then one day they surprised me on on NBA today on ESPN and brought like someone drove the ring from the bay to L.A. and gave it to me. If not, that motherfucker would probably still be in that room. I ain't do that at Oracle Arena.

I took mine. I mean, but where you got that motherfucker now? It's just sitting in the house. That's how. I didn't go to the ceremony. Yeah. It's just sitting in the house. He drove somebody, drove up from Milwaukee to Indiana. Yeah. I just felt like I had, man, I had a, I was course I had to watch one of the greatest teams and, you know, the battles with Cleveland and seeing them boys firsthand.

It was just, I was, I had great seats and I didn't have to pay for him. Yeah, that's how I felt. I ain't going loud over there talking shit. We cook. We play at Brooklyn. I'm over there. Yeah, it's over. I ain't got too much, boy.

We ain't going to be going to do nothing with them. They're like, man, she don't take your ass home. It's over with it. You're in Milwaukee? Yeah. They come away from my ass to get out of there. We won a championship track like I did some shit. All this hard work.

Y'all this was like that. What? How good was them Clippers teams, man? Fire. That's what I want to talk to you. I think that we were our own worst enemies, bro. We were 55 plus wins, Pacific Division champs. Facts, again, beating the Warriors before they really kind of found their rhythm as a young team.

Our superstars just butted heads. You know, Blake and CP had the best chemistry in the world at times and then didn't see eye to eye at times. And then at the same time, it's the emergence of DeAndre Jordan where he's starting to become a, you know, fringe all-star player, defensive player of the year, Olympic player. So he's kind of growing into his own And it was just I felt like there was too many cooks in the kitchen And then Doc was supposed to be the guy

That was supposed to save everything And then he brought his son over And it was just some weird energy there You know where a lot of he paid his son I'm not even mad if I was in the position I paid the fuck out of my son too But I understand at the time What that did to people's I mean

He was making more than me Jamal JJ like guys that were putting in real minutes You know what I'm playing in crunch time And it kind of, without knowing, kind of had people looking at him funny. It wasn't even his fault. You know, obviously shit out. Someone's going to give me 35, man. I'm going to take that motherfucker.

Especially with my dad. Out of the gate. But it just did Doc coming over. You know, Doc, I want to say Doc was the first coach that was ever traded for. Like, we, the Clippers traded for Doc. And great motivational guy. Great. To make you believe, you know, blue water's purple.

Like great speaker. But just there was something missing there with him and our in game adjustments. And then when his son came, the energy with that. like guys weren't really off that so there's just too much bullshit mental bullshit that we couldn't get over the hurdle but when we were clicking and playing there wasn't a better team in the NBA than us for that talented as hell super deep I mean you got I think we have you know our CP JJ um me or Karan Butler at the three uh Blake and DJ then we had Lamar Odom we had Eric Bledsoe man we have you got Lamar yeah you had a lot of

shit going on. Roni Turrhoff. Spencer Hawes coming off a fresh payday. He had a game, stretched the floor. Like, we just had a lot of Big Baby Davis. We had a lot of talent. Oh, y'all had L.O. and Glenn in the same locker room? Yeah, y'all had some shit going on.

Yeah, you were supposed to win one from my dogs. Hello, man. You're supposed to get done together. Hey, that's one of the coolest dudes. I have to be. God ever invented. Lamar is so cool, bro. He was always just the one that was just so with the flow.

every city where, you know, there's a limo downstairs, going to the club, whoever wanted to get in, hopping. Yes, just, Lamar was that dude. Lamar was so cool, bro. So talented, a great, super talented. His size and skill set. I play with L.O. with the Lakers and with the clippers. He was a really good dude, man.

I'm glad that he's kind of getting back on his feet and finding his way because he was a great dude. Yeah, we got to get the Fosway episode just for being in. That nice mandatory. When he was talking about grills? Yeah. Yeah. That's number one. y'all got a lot to talk about yeah that's his that was your favorite player though yeah hello was

hello hello was cold bro home bro hello was before it's time yeah yeah now I want to ask you how you feel about this clipper scene they got going into this year you know what I'm saying it's tough to say man because the the west is so young I felt like last season we saw kind of a passing of the torch you know yeah and in guys that I played with you know the steffs and the kds and the bronze like it's it's coming to the end of their run and these new young boys are hungry and skilled and can run all day and athletic so i mean i just think the clippers you know tyloo is one of the best minds in the game that's a fact availability is always a question you know if he's out there and playing they got a chance but you also got to think okay

c's still young and then boys just got paid and i think houston had a big offseason being able to get a consistent scoring kd yeah did well and in in gathering folks up Dallas if healthy is going to be a motherfucker problem and they have the number one picking cooper flags i just think the West is really deep. I think the winner will come out. I don't know who it's going to be. I think the East is going to be a little bit down this year. Obviously, we would Tate him out and, you know, some other injuries.

I don't really believe in the East as much. I don't know. I don't know. That's why I met my dog. Lennon Hawks is back now. We're back. We back. Yeah, we back.

I didn't expect to hear that. Atlanta back, man. Trey Young. They're back to the player. Trey's probably, to me, is one of probably the top two most underrated players in the game with 25. He's a double-double with 25 and 10 guy. He gets the respect that he deserves.

He's playing for Max Diel. You guys got some young boys over there. Perzengis on a one-year deal, so you know you're trying to get paid again. For Zingis from Boston? Yeah. Okay. He got to stay healthy, though. I mean, he's on a contract year.

Contract year, he's going to play 60-plus games this year, contract year. I mean, that's what we be mad, no. Contract year, everybody healthy. Everyone gets through them pains that we'll keep you out if you're not on the contract year. Jalen Johnson, he's going to be back from the show. Young talent. Young Zach been playing well in Eurobasket. So I think we got a bright future, man.

I think it's our time. We're one of the best developmental teams in the league. Y'all's time to do what, though? We're going to make it to the chip. We're going to win the East. No. If they make it to the finals, they can swear. The East is in tournament, the Hawks, but no.

I was about talking about the tournament that's in Vegas. No, no, no, no, no. They'll be back here at season tournament. We make shots of the finals. When they go to the finals, y'all, we're going to sit in that one section. I'm going to sit in that one section. What were we said? I said, damn, Dominique jersey

is still wet. I said, damn, Dominique jersey, still wet. Man, that's out of sweet, man. The motherfuckers eat popcorn. Next thing you know

his nose started to bleed down that bitch they were so hard. I said, damn, you didn't, you got bad blood with them?

What the fuck is we all in the top? He's talking, but this is sweet. Down there looking, down there. That was sweet. I promise, bro.

Couldn't see nobody's face. All of the things look super little, bro. I'm like, respect. What? left for half time. That's that Jeff Tee.

He didn't know what's so crazy. I love telling this story. I said, bro, they fucking hate you. They put him on the Jeff Tings in the building. Both of us like, damn, I didn't know you would sit this close to me. All these people with these $2 ass seats. Like, damn, Jeff. I didn't even know that Reno.

Too sweet, Jeff. We had chicken wings, beer, tequila. We had everything in the sweet. I'm just saying, man, when you go to the game's on, still do, man. Where do you sit? Man, if I can't sit courtside or a real sweet that's in the first level

I don't believe this thing is I'm gonna tuck it in and stay at the cricket because I like to smoke and move around and drink a little bit and enjoy myself but it's almost I mean we did it for a job so going to games now is not fun it's not I'm not looking for that's what you always say. I'd rather watch it and if the game is on some bullshit I'll watch something else you know what I mean

so going to games I have to and it's not And spoil, it's just if I'm going to go out, if I'm not court side, I'll be in the suite, but if not, most of the time I'm just at the grip. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Man, back to that. I wanted to talk about this clippers team, though.

We're kind of, we're coming because that's, that's bullshit that's thing over there. The clipper's scene, if they help you, can they be okay C? This clip, this clip, in the series, yes. Hell no. So who's there, who's their five? So James. Coah, Big Zoo. Bradley Bill.

I love Zoo. Yeah, big Zoo. That's right. Bill was a good pickup. Yeah, they got Bradley Bally. He's a lot to prove, though, too. That's a fact. A lot of people, and I've always been a fan of him,

but you're putting up empty numbers on the losing team. Yeah. And then it was a horrible move to go to a team that three guys that all need the ball in their hands in Phoenix. So I think he's on a light. I still got juice in his tank. Kauai's availability. I love James.

I think James has been able to evolve and adapt his game. He could be an 18 and 10 and six guys still and be very effective. Zubots is one of the most underrated bigs. Absolutely. in the game and they got some depth with some yeah i think they got a really good team it just depends on their health i think kawai is the key if kawai can give you 65 games you got a chance to be a top five team in the west hey this mad jones i'm drew franklin and this is nfl cover zero we think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week that is exactly

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I just hate her, I'm hit her, and hit her, I hate it. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable.

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And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends in how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else.

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Yeah. And I think, too, and I mean, there's, you know, I love CP. I'll go to war with CP every single day. day, but I also think that he had to learn how to communicate with this newer generation. Yeah. I think that was our biggest issue with the Clippers was we come from an old school where they can cuss you out and you just got to make it work. You know, so I was kind of the bridge at times when he couldn't get through to Blake or

DJ like, like, yeah, this is what he's trying to say, but he's not wrong. He just don't like his delivery. This is what he's telling you. So I think that he's kind of learned from that and understanding how to work and be a mentor. I mean, obviously, C.P. is one of the greatest players that ever played this game. So I definitely think that he'll be able to give him. solid minutes and also add to just the IQ and then in the in in the in the in the in the helping the young guys through some shit yeah the accountability aspect I think for

CP 3 is really going to help that scene because you look at his always young thumb person all the young talent he look at SGA you look at Dennis everybody he's been around he's only probably impacted especially for the guard position so and for him to be what is that motherfucker 60 he played what 82 games last year come on man miss a game so availability is big you know he really takes care and and and to me just I'm more of a person like our my twins and his sons are best friends. We live five minutes away. It was really big for him to be able to get back home.

This last handful of years, he's been bouncing outside of California, and it's just you can't take the family every time you move around towards the end of your career. So I knew coming into this season, when I've seen him in the summertime, he's like, man, I've got to stay in Cali. I'm like, well, we'll go back to the Lakers. So I was glad that it was able to, and he's already met, you know, said this is last year.

I'm so I'm glad he gets to do it with a team that, you know, he really put some work in. That's a really underrated thing I would say about, your athletes, your lifestyles, like especially playing on a road, being away from your family. That's hard mentally for a lot of people, especially as you grow and your kids get older. How did you manage that? And how is it now? You know what having a little bit more time to be kids. You know, that's what, you know, I mentioned earlier. And I didn't tell the reason why, but that's what, you know, I retired my first into a three-year deal. So, you know, I played

14 years, got paid for 16 years. But it was because I wasn't getting a chance to see my twins at the time. They were like seven years old. So I wanted to retire. And it's a great job. And it's perks and there's money. But, you know, eight-month season, we're going. on for four and a half of those you know what once you start having a family and kids you're missing birthdays and school plays and and games and shit you'll never get back you know and that's why i felt like although i didn't get to contribute the way i did i was just like damn i got me a ring my investments are doing good i got money in the bank like it's time to see what was next like although i didn't know what was next but i knew just being a dad was most important to me next and you know

i got just missed to taking kids of school and and coaching them and cooking for them and just being there with them because again I was a very present dad while I was playing but my job took me away a lot of time so now you know my twins are 16 shout out to Izan car they just got their license today they're so proud they okay so little homies got their license but I got a six year old who looks like he's

10 and a one year old so I get to kind of really start all over and just be there daily just see the grind and see the growth so to me it's the greatest job in the world let me ask you this about the twins do they get they own cars yeah or no share car share share share and their mom is

their mom is their mom but she didn't want to pitch in and get a car together so what's you point in there? So they got a car at their mom's crib and then a car of my house so they're good they set oh it just sucks being a twin though you're a twin? Nah, it's a lot of niggas

that look like me and the twin though I'm just saying though like maybe I want to slide on some girl got something to do you with the whip yeah with the whip it's kind of it's kind of tough you got it's also uber now too like you know what you know when we come up i don't know about y'all but we couldn't wait i mean forgot i didn't have a car i had a bike with a license like i just couldn't wait to get my life but

these dudes didn't really it wasn't really because i just they're used to being driven around or uber and around like it wasn't really pressed it you know and they're not really out there in the streets got you know god bless for that but they're not they weren't really pressed to get their license but they finally got it but they love i mean unless you have twins like the dynamic having is incredible like there when i tell you best friends like when they would get sick one would go to school because the other one didn't get sick yet but he would be the one at home like i need to call and check on my brother or the one at school would call home sometimes like hey how's so-and-so a feeling so that just the dynamic is and it's dope to see

like so you have a built-in best friend you know every single day your dog is with you you know i kind of took that shit for granted because they were so easy growing up now that i got my six-year-old i got to do everything with that motherfucker i got to play video games swim, play basketball, play soccer, play baseball. Well, I got the one-year-old on my hip. I'm a single dad or four. So it's just like, I'm shaking and baking, but I'm like, God damn, I don't have to do none of this shit with the twins.

They had each other. But I had with Ashton, boy, that motherfucker got me running with the baby on my hip. So it's, it's dope, but it's a lot, man. How you like coaching in the AU crazy world, bro? I enjoy it because I'm teaching. I don't respect the AU system. I think it's a money grab now. I just saw an article the other day.

kids are playing 80 to 100 games in the year. That's fucking crazy. That's why these kids are breaking down. But it's just a money grab for adults now. You know what I mean? Everything is watered down. We came up, I don't know when you guys started, but when I came in AAU, like, there weren't age levels.

Like when you played AAU, if you were coming in as a freshman, you played against the best players in the country. There wasn't no 14, 15, 16, like when I was 14, I was playing against 17 to 18 year olds in AU. So now there's just so many levels and divisions and gold, bronze, and silver. Like, it's not. it takes away from the kind of the cachet of being an AAU player. And then again,

it's not even about developing kids no more. It's about winning games, which is fucking pointless. College coaches don't give a fuck what kind of A.U. shit you. They want to know, do you know how to play off the ball? And I feel that's what our game lacks is kids understanding.

Kids are super skilled now, being able to do all these moves and stepbacks and triple stepbacks and the gather and all that shit. But when they don't have the ball in their hand, they stand and they're like dummies. You don't have to cuts, flair, scream, 45 cut. you know, they don't know how to do nothing. So to answer your question, I enjoy it because I'm teaching these kids how what they're going to see at. And I've had my kids since they were

eight. So what they're going to see in high school. Now all these kids are in high school and like, damn, Coach Matt was teaching that shit when we was in fourth or fifth grade. And then I'm trying to prepare them now what they're going to see in college and hopefully what they're going see in the league. So it's really concepts and understanding spacing and how to play out the the ball and how to be on a string on defense and rotating and all that kind of shit. So I love it because I'm teaching. I just wish the rest of the game would be taught. And you always talk about that, Jeff, as a high school coach,

you got a real player's back in, even though they haven't great. You got real it back in for a high school basketball. I don't bring them back to reality, man. Yeah. Nobody's going to sit there and let you dribble the ball 20 times. No, nobody. I mean, if you, and what I don't like is these kids don't watch basketball. They watch highlights or the edits the next morning.

And I feel like you miss so much by not seeing what's out there. Like, if these kids want to cross over eight times and step back and still have the ball, like, show me one person. and it does that in the league. There might be three or four guys that can do that that are allowed to do that, but for the most part that, you know, like Coach Popp said a second and a half, if you can't make a decision

a second half, get the fuck off the ball. Like these kids wouldn't know what to do if they had a second and a half to touch the ball. So it's again, it's just kind of being able to teach these kids and make them understand, man, that, you know, it's a delusional space. Social media is delusional with these mixtapes and highlight tapes and all this shit, you know, and then

what do you mean, your thoughts? You don't coach A.U., but you see it. I mean, these whole Backs. When we were coming up, like, I remember I was in eighth grade walking across the street to play with the varsity team. Yeah. There's kids, we were planning a 17-year-old freshman. Like, I was going to UCLA at 17.

And you're a freshman in high school, bro. Yeah. What are we doing? I don't believe in that. Like, a lot of our guys are younger. Yeah. Like, some of the guys on our high school team, they 15 going on their junior year, just turning 16.

Because it's going to come a time where you can't run from the smoke. And I feel like the adversity is what makes you better. Like, all these kids, even if you take it to the college, it's like, jumping in the portal. Shit don't go on. I'm jumping in the portal. Like, what happens when you can't run? What happens when you have to sit there and just,

just be a man? Damn, I'm not going to play that much this season. What am I going to make my game better? What am I going to learn? You don't get no adversity and willpower and mental strength when you just running from the smoke the whole time. That's a fact. Since we're talking about that, though, like the NIL, do you think that would have kept you playing football if they came with the chicken?

Yeah, I probably would have definitely played, you know, to be able to get too. be able to get two bags you know what I was gonna play football and get fucked up for no reason you know what hopes of going to the NFL but you're trying to tell me I could tell me I was in LA too

so I remember I used to get my little Pell Grant $2,500 you couldn't tell me nothing that shouldn't be gone in like 12 hours but when I had that little $2,500 like you couldn't so I couldn't imagine having a half a million or a million dollars in Westwood in L.A. and no parents to tell you know, don't like

but to me also does that take away from the grind? take your foot off the gas because these kids are getting everything we had to bust our ass to get to get to the league for like you could even get it was illegal to get it in college so we had to grind all the way to get to the league to get that kind of money so if you're getting it now in high school the elites are getting into high school everybody's getting in college i think it's only natural to take your foot off the gas i think so too that's why i guess i'm not against prep schools but that's my problem with prep schools because you're just not that hungry no more like when you get in money we all know that like you said when you got your pilgrim even when i got my pilgrim you couldn't tell me none but if you're You're getting a million dollars, bracy. Come on, bro. I don't know who I would have been, bro. I would have made to an NBA. Matt was the best player in the country.

He would at least got 10. Yeah. With them numbers? Yeah. Yeah, no different time, man. It's beautiful. I mean, that's why I got four sons. A couple of the motherfuckers are going to hit this lottery.

I tell you what. What is it like coaching your kids, though? Like, is it tough? No, because I don't treat them like my – I feel like I do my kids a disservice if I play daddy ball. Because I'm not always going to be their coach. So if I'm doing, if I'm running extra plays or starting them or giving them all these minutes, like it's not realistic. Like they're like everyone else.

Like the best players that like whoever has the best rhythm at the time is going to finish the game. And I always try to tell kids too, and Jeff, you know, obviously start is cool. I'm a starter. But who finishes the game is who the coach trusts the most. That's who's playing the best. That's who I can trust. And you always want to be a player where when I put you in the game, I know what I'm going to get from you. You can't be a wild card.

So coaching my kids, it's sometimes it's tough love. And sometimes I'm a little tougher on them from a standpoint of I just know that. being a former NBA son, son, you're going to get a motherfucker that don't like you just for that fact. So, you know, there was a time where one twin started, one didn't. You know, there's time where they both started. There was both time when they're both playing like shit, they sit right next to me. You know what I mean? So to me, I can't daddy them because I'm not always going to be there to daddy them from a coach's standpoint. I feel like I'll hinder their growth. So they know everything with me is earned. Nothing is given. I know that's tough, though, having that

bullet on your, that target on your back, because my guys was gunning for after they played them in the YVL, they called me ASAP, FaceTime me. Coach, we just beat Matt Barnes'in. Yeah, yeah. To call him. I'm like, I don't got his number,

bro. You know, you know. You know, you know. Y'all had a really, I wasn't surprised that you guys, you guys had a really good. We just, bro, we started with, the thing in Cali is there's no big, so we got so many guards. So we're a small,

our motherfucking five man, six, four. You know, so it's just like, we're super skilled. If we're not shooting the ball, we play like the Warriors. If we're not shooting the ball, well, we're in trouble. And we started the fourth session before pieced in with 13 guys. We finished our last game with six. Like we got one of the twins fractures. Like our whole team was hurt.

But when we played, y'all was good, man. It was a good game until the end. You guys pulled away. And I think won by like six or seven. But we were in that bitch the entire time. But you guys had size and motherfuckers that was dunking and wiping shit off the glass. And we just didn't have none of that. So like I said, we're going to make some moves. We're in the portal. I'm already meeting with Dads. Like, we're in the portal. I'm already meeting with dads. Like, we, this next year's their last year in AU. You know, it's my last year coaching for a little while until my six-year-old gets right. So we're going to go all out. But I love it, man. And it's, and it's dope too. And, you know, if you ever pulled up to the turn, like, it's a reunion. All that, there used to be a stigma of black dad, especially NBA players not being in their kids' lives. But with this generation of the dudes that I play with and right behind us, like, there's so many.

involved dads now whether they're coaching supporting running programs but just being present you'll see 25 30 former players at any given tournament and this is dope after we're done playing we go back and drink some smoke some chop it up and just kick it so it's almost like a reunion for us every time we travel out of state to these tournaments

that's dope that's dope you said something really interesting about the highlight factory and I see Adam Silver said this recently he was just like basically the accessibility of some of these games they was like you know with all these networks and all the things spread out how can kids or people even support their team he's like you know we're how like that work so if you can't watch a game catch the clip it's like all right you want the product to be better and now you're telling these kids

catch it on twitter like where's the balance in that for like the fan base there's not it's all the money grab now you know that the game the games is global as it's ever been yeah but because there's just new ways to consume it you know what i mean like as far as it would be interesting to see like how many people if they did a study actually can even watch a half of game you know a lot And a lot of people don't just sit there and watch games. One, because there's just so much other shit going on, other games. But it's just games are long and the seasons long. You know what I mean?

So you've got to be a real fan to sit there and watch your team. And kids these days don't have the attention span. At all. Because I have to make the one thing I was, during the playoffs, my twins sit your motherfucking ass down and we're going on white. And they'll sit and watch the games. But I have to like tell them come watch the games. And then they'll be glad they did it.

But if I don't tell them, they'll be playing video games or out shooting or doing whatever else. Dad, we'll catch that shit tomorrow. I'm like, what you mean tomorrow? Like, yeah, we can watch the highlights. I'm like, what the fuck about the rest of the game? The highlights are two minutes. The game was 48.

What you mean? That's the fact. Now, we're on Roblox, Dad. You know what I'm saying? We'll tap in tomorrow. No, they're on. They got the score. Did you see how fast our social team put that shit up?

Yeah, I said y'all. I wanted to. I said it to you. I said, y'all, that was fast. That was fucking said, and that shit was on social media like eight minutes. I was getting them. I was, what the fuck? What's going on?

I was on Twitter. I was on Twitter. I said, damn, y'all's going on to smoke that's a whole. I said, how the fuck y'all know? I just got off this one. We just walked off the stage, but my wife texts me like, ah, this shit never going in, huh? It's lit, too, bro.

When they did the park takeover, I said, this is nasty. The whole five with no draws, that's out of pocket. Rod, you got to take your whole squad. You got to be team. Y'all got to be uniforms. Oh, that's a nasty uniform. No, like I said, I'm glad we kind of just scratched the surface, but we definitely want to have you guys come out to L.A.

You guys can sit in our studio, but definitely sit down and do a real show with you guys. Because like I said, I'm a, I don't watch a ton of podcasts, but I do like just the, your guys's energy is authentic and you can feel it. And you guys can say shit to each other that other motherfuckers saying with me and Jack. Like I could talk shit to Jack. He can talk shit to me that motherfuckers can say, you guys have that chemistry where you could talk shit about each other with each other. Yeah, he talks about me bad, bro. He just seen how this thing is doing. This is how we met.

Like, bro, he told me your nigga. No. Shout to my brother Shelvin Mac. He told me Shelvin Mac was better than me. Oh. To my face. That's not how we got.

That's how we met. So, no. Thoughts him to be here. I don't know. He's a, stop fucking lying. Listen, bro. Let me get another shot. Toss that bottom.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, survived today. My boy, Leo came through. Game. I had a, I had a challenger. One of the only ones in the city were two by the one day. Ah, that week. That's, it's back 2010.

What big doing shit? Yeah. So I pull up, you know what I mean. We go to this shit, music Mondays. Yeah, you know, I had a shorty driving my shit. Yes, sir. We stayed in the hood. Damn, why I was in the NBA doing that shit?

Yeah, you was, I don't know. He was out of pocket. Yeah, you shouldn't have been to music Monday. Shouts of our vits. No, I pulled up, he was just talking shit about my car because I guess I didn't have a super duck one. I had the baseball. I said, man.

Yeah. I mean, he pulled up next to me in a basic challenge. You all that were cool or not yet? Nah. No, we weren't cool like that. You had league money at this time? He did. You know what I mean?

I had Pepsi blue pulled up. You feel you that day? Had a little heavy one in the past. You know, like him a little thicker. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying at the time. She was just riding. I don't see what I ain't going to say that's a girl.

She's cool. That's my thing. I like thick ones. I ain't mad at you. Yeah, she was more, she was above thick. A lot of hill there. I think you had a hill cat, though. Yeah, I had a hill cat.

You had a basic and you pulled up. I was like, what fuck this nigga do it? He got up. He opened the door. Like, what up? Nah, nigga. It's a difference. Put that baby shit up.

You embarrassing us. But for real, that night, we started talking shit then. Sheldvin Magist came along again. My nigga is my nigga. Yeah, it was like, man, my nigga shell, bust your ass. I think of what? And we had a pro-em game. And, nigga, I'm going to get shelving crazy.

I'm going. He's looking at him. Yeah, but he's Shelvin don't know. Right. So every time I school on Shubbin, I'm pointing at this nigga. Yeah, nigga. See? And Shelvin, like, he's laughing.

Sheldon, like, you're all right? Nah, nigga, you're sad. Oh, no, man, that ass's all the straight face. I'm telling you, sad. Yeah, like, you're sad. Nick, you ain't shit. That nigga, Sheldon, like, what? And then Sheld became my guy.

He came on the Hawks and we became best friends. Oh, for sure. No, for sure. Listen, man, we got to make it out there, man. All the smoke, man. We got to tap in, man. Listen, we appreciate you. We appreciate stack, man.

Y'all paved way for people like Gus to be in this space to get to it, man. We got to pay homage to the OGs in this space, man. Keep going, keep pushing it for it, man. All the smoke production is going crazy. We appreciate you pulling up on this big dog for show. Club 520, man. You know the Vives, man.

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I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining.

And twice a week, that is exactly. what you're going to get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one.

We sit down with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. The moment is a space for the conversation. We've been having us father and daughter for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. How does someone prove that they deserve to live?

We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends,

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