Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Myles Turner on beating Jalen Brunson in Pacers-Knicks Game 7, playing with Jeff Teague

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 90 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Myles Turner. From being the No. 2 overall recruit out of high school, to following in Kevin Durant’s footsteps at Texas, to now going into his 10th year in the NBA, Myles talks about his journey over the last decade. The guys discuss Myles getting snubbed from winning NBA Defensive Player of the Year, playing alongside Jeff Teague, beating Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks in Game 7 at Madison Square Garden, and much more! #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah, I'm about to get real disrespectful today. I've been having my patience fucked up, but I got a pace of right here with me. We're going to see what type of time this is on today. You know what it is. I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. Special guest to my left.

Introduce my man's last to my far left. My dog, hen out the pearlies how you were nasty cool and nasty let's get to it baby hey man look you racking up fines dog the booker t jar going up for jeff but you know i'm saying i know you out of town we ain't seen the black forces with the white lace in the miles you know i'm saying i know how you were with the kicks have you ever seen somebody wear the all black forces with the white laces with white laces no that's a new one for me partner but i mean you got your own swag then it rolled it right on miles right on bro he just be trying to hate on it you feel me just it's like it's like he might politely rob the club you know i'm saying he ain't gonna hit nobody he's just gonna say please give me your money i can never rock a shirt like miles

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that ain't for the heavy that ain't for the heavy that ain't for the heavy that ain't for the heavy you up man i'm cooling man we got one of my young boys he old now he's making me feel old but yeah i got my guy in the building i got these by the door i ain't gonna let these one by the door i got these out here shout out to feature man they hooked me up so it's all good i see you got the pacer colorway it's up yeah you know what i would you know how i rock i'm still a pacer at heart nah i'm a hawk at heart i ain't gonna lie but i rock with the pacers too though timberwolf

too hey we're talking back yeah t wolves i rock with y'all too, though. Timberwolves too. Hey, we're talking about. Yeah, T-Wolves. I'm wrong with y'all too. I'm sorry. Miss, I love y'all. I apologize. It's a hometown episode. We on the road. We on a neutral side with it, man. We got a Pacers legend going on 10-year event, holding it down in the city. Mr. Miles Turner, appreciate you sliding on this big dog. Absolutely, man.

Always show love to the net, man, by way of Texas. You know, going on my 10th season. And, man, I grew up there, bro. I've been in since I was a teenager. So, man, it's always love with y'all man for real for sure man we always try to show up talking about some kicks

we know you were Kobe aficionado man before the wave was popular what's some of your favorite Kobe's to hoop in some of the reverse Grinch's that came out this year was tough to me

because everybody had the obsession with the Grinch Grinch but then when they finally got some of my size in 18 you know had to jump on that

right away so that was cool damn yeah you got a Chuck in 18 that right away so that was cool damn yeah you got a Chuck at 18 that's crazy my house got a plug

plenty plenty shout out man but uh yeah then them Bruce Lee joints was fire too I was in them

for a minute them Kobe A's I'm wearing the same Kobe to past three seasons bro you can fact check that nah it's fine

you one of the people who definitely had the cradles on oh man I was gonna say you in the big three with the Bruce Lee 5

yeah yeah I love Kobe nah don't gas me nah bro I don't see You want to be with definitely had a crazy. Oh man, I can say you know, you know big three with the Bruce Lee But now I love the Kobe's to rock with the coach but I remember used to wear KD's to yeah Yeah, come out of Texas Katie was obviously one of my favorite players of one night They was the most comfortable because we have like a similar like foot like type or whatever So they had engineered it to fit his foot and if it pretty good but just started rocking with the kobe's man that's the most comfortable i guess for sure man we're gonna start with the origins obviously you know you went crazy in high school and you know so you wanted people who kind of started to train to like the late commit to school what made you commit to texas um there's a lot of reasons man

i really growing up and people always tell me all the time i know it wasn't like you know take offense and all they say you're a Duke guy. You know, you're just like a Duke guy. So I took that and ran with it. I was like, oh, I want to go to Duke. I want to go to Duke. But then actually, being a Texas kid and thinking about all the branding and everything that comes with it afterwards has really moved the needle for me. You know, my mom

told me literally the day before I committed, just listen, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you do have to think about yourself. You're only going to be there for a year. You're a Texas kid. Everybody knows what this means. They're the richest school in the world. Like, you know, just, you know, consider everything. And it's really had its benefits for me, man, for real. For sure.

Listen, I'm going to say I'm sure you got a little bit of love. Boy, that NIL situation in Texas. Man. That situation. You might have stayed a couple years, boy. How much money do you think you would have got at Texas? I was a number two pick coming into – or number two player in high school, you know, coming into it. So that obviously had a lot to do with it.

You can easily get like five mil, bro. God, I think easy? I think easy, bro, with the way Texas roll, bro. And Texas too? Yeah. They show a little love. Maybe a little under the table love, but, you know. Like an arch man.

He ain't even play, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like that check, my boy. Five mil, boy, I would have been filthy in school. Look at Archman He ain't even play You know what I'm saying Yeah Write that check my boy Ah Me a boy I would have been filthy in school I wonder if NILs Open up in like In high school for Texas

Like early Cause I know In some Some states it is Yeah Some places Kelly Yeah some places it is

But I think it's gonna take time When you play with Texas Select Yeah That was decent You would have They would have probably Broke a bag off for sure

Yeah That's fun man Yeah that's That was my coming out party Cause I had missed that sophomore summer. You know, that's like the big recruiting summer. I broke my ankle, and they missed the entire summer. So I came back on the scene that summer. I went crazy.

I remember you played for them, bro. Yeah. Filthy. So, man, look, we all in Naptown, Babies here. How was it your first time touching down in that? You know, it was different for me because Dallas is so fast-paced, you know, it's come from where I come from, and then you get some more kind of like blue card,

like hard-working city, like Indy. You know, I just didn't know what to expect, right? But, like, immediately as soon as I touched ground, bro, it was love. Like, I mean, it's such a basketball state, as you all know. I had never – I've obviously seen the movies and I heard about it, but actually being there, you know, going down to IU, going to Butler, like seeing like that college basketball atmosphere, like it changed a lot of stuff for me. So I definitely fell in love with it right away, man. It was the perfect situation for me.

I didn't need to be anywhere else. I needed a slow pace, like a city for me just to grow up in as opposed to a fast pace like Miami, LA, you know, whatever. It was just literally an ideal situation. Boy, you got drafted to the heat. I got drafted to Atlanta. What's the difference? They threw me in a fire. I ain't been the same since.

I can't say he play around too much. I don't start. You got to clarify that shot. I know. Miles just said something out of pocket, too. That's how you chill. He was like, that was my coming out party. I was like, nah, like nah we gonna let that ride

see I ain't doing that today I'm chilling I'm chilling we ain't doing that oh man that's how we rock and bet I ain't doing bullshit I wasn't trying to interrupt

he was you know I had his good speech I wasn't trying to you know I ruined it bro that's fine man chill out you right you right

now did you see the cornfields when you were flying in though uh i definitely drove out to him i ain't never like just like i guess i wasn't paying attention but it do look crazy like nowadays like looking over just normally like the weird little like alien shit they be talking about with it they be talking about all the conspiracies and shit i'll be i'll be on tiktok and shit oh shit i might have to go back to that. I don't know about that. I got different aliens down there. Chill, bro.

My bad. Shout out. Hey, 414, I know it's all love with your boy. Hey, man, I got to talk about the first time y'all meet, man. Y'all, as a Pacers fan, y'all was one of the most talented rosters that pissed me off as a Pacers fan. I still love y'all. True.

But y'all had us fucked up, but I understand why. True. But I want to hear y'all first interaction, man. Now, so I knew Miles from Andy Miller. Okay. So when I came in, J.R. and Miles had kind of already knew each other, so he introduced us. And I was taken aback because we started scrimmaging, hooping.

I'm like, damn, this motherfucker can do everything. And I didn't know. Like, you know what I mean? I'm like, damn, he can drill. He can shoot. He got bounce. Like, what the hell? I was like, oh, he the best player on the team. Like, to me, I'm like damn he can dribble he can shoot he got bounce like what the hell I was like

oh he the best player on the team like to me I'm like he gonna be the best player so I just I'm a point guard I go to the big man

I start talking to him like are we gonna do this pick and roll like Al Horford we gonna pick and roll to death and that's just kind of how we built our relationship

hell yeah bro that's just like that bro cause like Teague like instilled a lot of confidence in me bro like my first or I guess my year my second year

outside these past couple years like my first like real like great great year you know rookie year I was on my feet where second year I really started to come out but um yeah bro I just I didn't really know what my game was at the time like I knew what I was good at but I was still trying to kind of trying to fit the mold of the NBA game as opposed to making people fit around me and we had that pick and pop shit going bro yeah for sure it was so quick like getting downhill like the defender had to make a decision

so our chemistry just like was like rode right away nah for sure that's why when I see you play now like how y'all play

spreading the floor I'm like damn if Nate would've just let us play nah they didn't redo that first game with the arm and brain nah he had like

35 against Dallas yeah you had the fake spin I was like I was like nah he gonna be cold you might got you one nah I do Nah, he had like 35 against Dallas. You had the fake spin. I was like, nah, he going to be cold. You might got you one. Nah, I do. I say he cold.

I remember him and Cat was very similar. I was like, damn, when I first seen him, when I first seen Cat, I'm like, yo, Miles played with y'all very, very similar. You just got more freedom, Cat. I'm like, Miles ain't got the freedom you got, but they very similar. I fight with that my whole career. I finally started to, I guess, just be more confident in myself in my game, bro.

I mean, I've, you know, going on year 10, just kind of reflecting, like I just, if I would have had that confidence a bit earlier,

you know, the stretch of my career would have been different, but God don't make mistakes, man. Like, I'm just happy where I'm at. Your career is still great, brother.

Have you always played out on the perimeter, though, or? yeah, for the most part. Even in high school, I stretched the floor quite a bit. Okay. But I would say that I really started doing it more like my second and third season.

I didn't really shoot no threes my rookie year. Yeah, that's what I was asking. My first ever international with Teague, I remember this shit. We were playing Atlanta, and it was the first time. I got my first start, and it was against them. I had a real unorthodox shot my first couple of years, like in the post. Like I, I knew I wasn't stronger than nobody. Just turn and shoot.

Exactly. But it's like literally just jump and turn around and shoot. And I remember I had, I was on Al Horford and I hit that nigga. So he was like, man, hell no. He said, that shit weak as hell. He started laughing at shit off. He don't want to build his confidence. Well, why?

Why was y'all turning around so weak? I remember that bro was like, you post up and he don't even look. He just turn and shoot. But he was taller than everybody. So that was what I got away with in college. I knew it wasn't physically stronger than dudes, but I was quick and I had good anticipation. So I'll be on that right block. And I'm not a scout report yet,

like a bottom scout report at that, so no one really knows what I do. So, yeah, that was my go-to shot. I'm just going to catch it, just jump and turn and shoot off the glass, and shit worked for me, bro. That's his shot. That was his shot, for real. If somebody had to say hell no, it's definitely going to be him first. He's a hater, bro.

Yeah, there we go. For sure. I swear. For sure. I'm a professional hater, bro. I swear. I'm a professional hater, bro. I still joke with bro to this day. TJ McConnell, like, I show love to TJ, bro. We came in the same draft.

Yeah, yeah. TJ Nash. Yeah, but I remember, bro, I think TJ, he was a Philly at the time. We was playing him. We was warming up.

He looked down and said, hey, bro, I don't like that guy. I hate him. I was like, what the shit warming up. He looked down and said, hey, bro, I don't like that guy. I hate him. I was like, what the shit? What'd he do? I'm like, what?

And to this day, I'll be fucking with TJ, bro, because I'll be trying to get in his head a little bit. And he brings it up that shit all the time. I was like, bro, why doesn't he like me?

I'm a fan. No, he really is. I think he cold, man. I'll be like, damn. I watched him come in because we played in Philly. He used to come in, you know, do what I think he cold. I'll be like, damn, I watched him come in because we played in Philly. He used to come in, you know,

do what he do now. I used to be like, how the fuck is he in the NBA? Like, I used to say that all the time, but now seeing him grow as a player, it's like, nah,

he deserves 15 million a year in the NBA. Like, so I'm a fan of his game, especially how y'all guys play together. Hell yeah. All these fucking stories you done told on this podcast.

You ain't never shared that one. What? We thank you for that, Miles. Thank yeah, bro. All these fucking stories you done told on this podcast. You ain't never shared that one. What? We thank you for that, Miles. Thank you, bro. I don't talk shit. I'm the good guy, man. I'm the good guy. Bro, yeah, man.

We got to change the narrative now. So, we doing the pod rankings again? For sure. Oh, the pod rankings. I don't know. Oh, they got to take some time off. He might be climbing. I'm climbing.

Damn. He for sure is. I have to be at least a star. I think you might be number. He might be climbing. I'm climbing. Damn. He for sure is. I have to be at least a star. I think you might be number one right now. Yeah, I'm climbing. You're right. Was he a good teammate though, Miles? Hell yeah, bro.

Okay. And I'll say it with all sincerity. He's like one of the best bets I've had. Oh, I appreciate that. No, real shit, bro. Because when I was first coming in, I didn't think I had the best bets. You know what I mean? There was a couple that showed love, but a lot of it was on some hating shit, in my opinion.

Yeah. And when T came in right away, like, he didn't care. He was like, bro, nigga, go bust their ass, bro. No, get to your spots. Like, do this, do that. And then even off the court, bro, I was like, hey, bro, you want to go to dinner? Hey, bro, you want to do this?

Like, I ain't really had a lot of vets that, like, treated me like that. And he always showed love. So, yeah. That's hard. Awesome. Seriously, bro, he's, like, definitely one of the best vets I had. Appreciate that.

That's love, bro, especially being in that. You ain't taking him to Sunset? Nah, I ain't messing. I ain't. Listen, I wasn't trying to ruin him. He's trying to make sure you get the bag, right? For sure. You know, the nap tail, you got to get the trimmers.

Got to get the sunset. Come by the place. Man, I was too young for this. You too young. Oh, yeah. I'm 28 now. Oh, yeah. Trimmers are RP.

Make sure it's great again. Trimmers, yeah. He wasn't ready for trimmers. Hell, heartbeat make sure it's great again trimmers yeah he wasn't ready for trimmers that was hell shit I wasn't ready for trimmers someone just talked about sunset the other day

ah don't talk about that I swear bro have you been in there I have never set foot in but I go to Long's all the time so I knew what people was talking about

yeah you ain't missing nothing they talking about yo gang go there we gonna get information you gotta go to sunset it's a night of Long's when they open that's a great night was talking about. Yeah, you ain't missing nothing. They talking about, yo, gang, we gonna get information. You gotta go to Sunset. Ah, bro. I'm saying when they open. That's a great night.

Man, hey, do not take miles to Sunset. Whatever you're doing. Let's talk to the y'all. Do not take miles to Sunset. Let's talk to that 10-piece. What's happening? Not that 10-piece. No, that 10-piece come with a little extra.

Not fries. But listen, man. All my patient shit, we went crazy this year. Everybody was hating it. It didn't matter. We did what the fuck we was supposed to do. How was it to have a season like we had this year? You know what I'm saying? Last couple years, a little bit rocky, a couple changes.

We got Tyrese going crazy. You went crazy this year. I think, I don't know, I don't want to be too political, but I don't give a fuck no more. I think that one of the best things that happened for you in our situation is that we ended up making a decision between you as a bonus. And the one thing as a Pacer fan I hated was that I felt like y'all were so talented, but them having y'all together for so long kind of hindered both of y'all's game. And I'm happy that, you know what I'm saying,

we got a chance to really show how good you are with the system. And then we got a point guard that actually, like T, the way Tyrese played, very similar, distribute the ball, get people their spots. I was so happy with the success we had last year with this team. How was it to bounce back like that? It was amazing, bro. Being here for 10 years, I feel like you can say I've seen it all, but I really truly feel like I've just seen everything and more.

I came in playing a five, and I knew I had ability to stretch the floor. I remember all season, bro, you remember Baino, bro. Yeah, Baino. Yo, Baino. That's my dog, bro. And I remember all season, bro, you remember Baino, bro. Yeah. Yo, Baino. That's my dog, bro. We worked out all summer in the post. And then even had Kevin McHale come in and we worked out a couple times. And I get to training camp and was like, hey, great work this summer.

We're going to put you at the four. So I had never really, like I knew I could shoot, but, bro, I never really just like played basketball. I didn't know how to cut. I didn't know when to time up like spacing like like even just five men like five men out I know I play five out So I'm literally sitting here guessing the entire time for at least half a season and then you know the two three season I play with no months like I wasn't even shooting as well as I possibly could cuz I

Knew I was on issue the ball like five six times a game and I was pissed like I think everybody around me like knew that So if it's ball touch my hands like fucking it's going up I shoot the ball like five, six times a game. And I was pissed. Like, I think everybody around me like knew that. So, if the ball touched my hands, like, fuck it, it's going up. I'm not even looking for it. Like, it's just going up. I'm not shooting my best. I'm not shooting confident. And honestly, I hate to show enough for work, bro.

Like, I just, it felt like a job. Like, I was just, I wasn't in the best space mentally. But then, bro, all I asked for was I need a guard to give me the ball and I want to play the five. And the paces came through and I was able just to put my full talents on display, man. And, yeah, this season was special because, you know, the in-season tournament here, like, that was what got some eyes on us. You know what I mean? Just that visibility.

But being able to take that all season long and just up to Annie and just, like, crush everybody's expectations and, like, beating your favorite team, like, that shit felt good, bro. For real. Just, like just like the love you got. And yeah, man, the playoffs, like I was so used to just going home, you know what I mean? The first four or five months,

you know, the time off. But it was a different aura around the city, bro. Different energy. Like niggas was locked in, bro. Nah, it was a vibe. It was crazy. I mean, it was a vibe. We was geek, bro.

We was hating. We was hating. We was hating. Yeah, I had Milwaukee. No, we was. We was hating. Yeah, I had Milwaukee. No, we was. That's true. I have Milwaukee. I have Milwaukee.

No, I have Boston. We're going to have Milwaukee. DJ stood down on y'all. For sure. They had us fucked up. This was a big moment for him. What's my favorite quote for it? The motherfuckers don't watch us play.

Never, bro. They ain't watch us play. And we did our thing this year. Love that for us. I did have Milwaukee, though. I want to chip him. Yeah, we, bro. They didn't watch us play and we did our thing this year. Love that for us. I did have Milwaukee, though. Yeah, bro. I want to chip him. Yeah, we had Milwaukee.

We had Milwaukee. Five times? That bitch was musty. Oh, my God. No, Milwaukee series is fun, bro, because of all the answer to shit

that happened during the season. Yeah, yeah. They just, you know, you know the NBA is, bro. They just created this, I don't know, this story behind everything.

Yeah, I tried to steal my man basketball, bro. Man. Man, bro, what's up? What the fuck? You ain't even going down like that. What's up with that weekend shit, Miles? Man, what?

What's up with that basketball, man? Boys want the real story, man. Nah, it probably wasn't a story at all. It made for a really great series. Oh, God, that was some good. A series in which we won by the way shout out to Malik Beasley

we heard you I want to know like how was it in that game where Chris Milton hit that shot off the backboard like what was y'all thinking

like oh shit that's one of the most stressful games this nigga's a second coming like bro he wasn't missing bro it was the craziest shit cause like we're like

nah that nigga injured bro like he you know he's he's over there hobbling. Bro, he just got to spots and was just a killer, bro. He wasn't talking no shit. Just literally just getting to his back. It was masterful, bro, honestly.

Just watch from afar. At the time, you pissed, but then you go back and watch. It's like, damn, this nigga just efficient, bro. It was tough, bro. We were fighting, fighting, fighting. He hit that shot. It was like a gut punch, bro. I was like, damn. You got just efficient, bro. So it was tough, bro. Like we just didn't, we were fighting, fighting, fighting. He hit that shot. It was like a gut punch, bro. I was like, damn,

you got to go to overtime. But yeah, man, shit. But at the end of the day, we failed. It was cool. Yeah, I had a hell of a run. That was cool. That Knicks series,

like we always make fun of me and B-Han. We like, oh, they beat everybody that was hurt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but shit, that's how it happened. That's how I won a championship. Yeah. Everybody got hurt. For sure. Shout out to yeah everybody got hurt for sure yeah so it happens like that but what was that feeling like playing in the garden

like having to win in new york it was special for me man because you know my dad he's from new york okay okay he's from queens and he had aspirations of you know playing at this level obviously but uh you know god had different plans and you, for him to be able to be there and witness it with, like, all his childhood friends and, like, same shit you was on,

the whole, I told you so, like, I told you my sons were, like, you know, that, I was just happy for him, bro. He was really popping

shit in this city, so, it was a good moment, man. I just, you know, like you said, injuries or not,

but that's what the playoffs is about. It's just, that's part of it. It's taking care of yourself and, yeah, we got it done. And listen, I told them, I that's what the playoffs is about. It's just that's part of it. It's taking care of yourself. And, yeah, we got it done. And listen, I told them I ain't going to fuck about them injuries. We had years where our best one or two player was hurt for at least four to five years consecutively, bro.

I don't want to hear no excuses. Whatever. I just wanted to ask, though, how's it playing with Pascal, man? What kind of teammate is he, man? That was a great addition for y'all, for real. Bro, he just, he about his business, bro. And that's why I respect him. Like, you know that extra shit.

Like, he get in, he get his work in, he go home. And that's, I feel like in Indianapolis, it's like what you embody. Like, he embodies all that. And his skill set is just crazy, bro. Face-up game, he get downhill, he shoot a little bit. Versatile defender. Like, he was like the missing piece. For sure.

For sure. Just more height and just more star power, bro. Because bro because like that's all it is in this league too bro it's the eyes and the attraction is the star power like side of things and um yeah you know napoli we i feel like we you know we miss out a lot of free agents a lot of times and that was a big gift for us yeah for sure i mean speaking of free agents um east unloaded back up you know what i'm saying everybody come back to the east we got a little bit more competition. But I'm excited for us next year because I feel like our key additions are people we didn't get to play much or was hurt last year. We got Benedict coming back. We're going to get right to it.

And I'm very excited to see Jairus Walker get minutes next year. Very excited to see Jairus, man. How has he been in practice, man? He a dog, bro. Jairus, he's one of those that can do everything, like real like Draymond type. He can really like kind of get guys open. I mean, if he really, really needs to get a bucket, he can face up ISO. But Jarrett's got a lot of – he's got vision.

And that's what I feel like people haven't been able to see from him yet. Same thing, a versatile defender as well. But he just needs this opportunity. It's tough when you come in this league and you got like – you're playing behind all-stars, you're playing behind – Facts. You know, seasoned vets and whatnot. Yeah.

He just has to wait his turn. Like it's kind of unfortunate. But, you know, we talk to him all the time. We try to keep his confidence going. But you know how it is being that way. You know, like, get into the shit. Like, it's just, you know, you just got to keep putting your time. That's all this is.

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I gotta ask you, on some patient shit, what was the better atmosphere or what was the crazy game? That Milwaukee game with the game three or the game seven in the garden? I mean, I would say it was louder in Indy but the atmosphere was I think

it was a little bit doper in New York just because of what it was like you in the Mecca bro yeah it's like game 7

every single celebrity you can think of is there courtside like everybody talking shit like it's just it was just that environment

that's what you dream of yeah exactly so I can't I can't take nothing away from that but I will say like now this year it was like the loudest I've heard it like even the in-season tournament games like the color courts and shit

they they showed up for everybody was coming out for them games I ain't gonna lie uh you play with some great guards um Tyrese is a special player yeah what is it like playing with him man his vision the way he played look like he's having so much fun look at our team is having so much fun I see like y'all starting to like you and him are the leaders of the team and you can see that it's starting like run through the whole team like just like y'all playing with a lot of joy what it's like playing with him yeah bro he's got an like infectious spirit like i think he's someone who he really he plays better and he's in a better state when he knows he's getting everybody else yeah like you know he's gonna get to sidestep he can get downhill if he needs to but he really wants to

pass the ball get people going just takes the attention off him. So I've always played with, like, score first guards. You know, I came in. I was with George Hill. Yeah. And he was kind of a system player, but he really wanted to get to it. He could. And then I had you, and I had Malcolm Brogdon, Darren Collison,

Malcolm Brogdon. D.C. Like, yeah, D.C. killed it too, boy. D.C. It was all, like, score first guards. But Tyrese, like, he really, really wanted to get people involved, and you can you feel that you know what I mean and when it's time to let him do his thing it's like okay all right bet like you know yeah you got it so yeah bro he just got a he got one of the personalities that it's just easy to be around like in the locker room

morale love and shit like that yeah it's dope I love seeing what Semi was saying I was like why did they pick him I'm just like what do you mean they picked the person who averaged the most assists in the NBA to play with the team but somebody needs to distribute the ball that's why i said people don't watch us but it's cool that's what you're gonna get real to it i like nim hard too oh yeah drew a dog he'd be he he wow but i like you first because he shit it was his time to shine he said fuck it I'm going for it Yeah Mim was on Rookapork I like that He said Rookapork

That's the only problem They gonna have It's gonna be tough to keep him Yeah He gonna get some money man Yeah It's gonna be tough to keep him And I know who else

Gonna get some money next year too Oh yeah Oh we Contract year Fuck it right Bring that truck Loading mug Gonna put my work in

Do what I got to do, and then, yeah, let the chips fall where they may. No, Jontae Porter, but if you been on Miles this year, take the over, baby. Contract year. Nah, man. And I wanted to ask you, because you're one of the best defenders in the league.

Like, how does it feel, like, when you see, like, no shade to Rudy O'Bear and guys like that, but they get defensive player of the year three or four times. It's like, you feel a way? It used to really fuck with me, bro. I know. It used to really fuck with me, like, my first couple years. Because it's everybody in your ear.

You feel like, bro, like, I think my third season, like, I out-blocked an entire organization. I had more blocks than the Cleveland Cavaliers team. That's right. And what they always told me was, like, oh, well, you don't rebound. And I was like, all right, you know, I'll take that on the chin, cool. But I feel like defense is more than just defensive rebounder. Like, I'm leading at the time, you know,

what DB was, but at the time, I'm leading like a number two defense in the league and we have a decent record. But, bro, we don't play on TV, like you said. We didn't get very far in the playoffs, so no exposure. So it's like they had to justify who they give this award to.

And it became like a popularity contest. And that's when I kind of bowed out. I was like, bro, I'd rather get respect from my peers than, you know, this trophy. You know what I mean? Like, of course, I still would want to like, you know,

push for that and grind for that in the future. But it took the sting out of it for me when I realized, you know, it's a business, bro. You know what I mean? Like, you know, people are going to like you know push for that and grind for that in the future but it took the sting out of it for me when i realized you know it's a business bro like i mean like you know people are gonna like to dive into that and say whatever they need to say but it's just real bro like whoever has the most eyes whoever has the best defensive metrics and shit like that like yeah we just talked about the metrics too i don't even think a defensive player ever won i mean so far as a big without averaging at least t in a game on the rebound the crazy shit about Rudy is no say to Rudy you defense player year But now they're calling you liabilities in the playoffs so like make it make sense

You can't be the best player of the year and your Christmas in the switch And they just like are we gonna live with it like that? It's like you said it's a lot of plans to that more than just what it is happening on the course of the numbers Games gets tough, bro And you were like I said, you really a hoop head and you and you end of this like you know who's a good defender you know like who you're not going at yeah you know like you know just in the back of your head like when you play it's like ah but if they get this award to somebody and in the playoffs um you can expose that like you didn't talk about and um if you may be great at this but not so great at this and yeah we're going

at that show you know that's why when guys like it like marcus smart wins like i tip my cap like that because he's really a dog and he switched one through four really guard everybody um and yeah but in rudy's case like bro like i give respect to him because like when you're playing minutes on the playoffs you know you're not going downhill just against oh no but in the switch situations yeah everybody brings him out and it exposes him and whatnot so he do his job but it's just it's overall award for sure and even like with drew like bro that's somebody who should have a cup on the shelf bro yeah for sure that's somebody who should have a cup on everybody this league knows bro yeah that's a given bro is that the first

thing you was good at though growing up when you start hooping was blocking shots yeah bro that was really it was the only thing like when I was a kid like I wasn't really coordinated like that I just started I started getting more of a jumper in middle school when my dad saw it

like at a young age and was like oh nah we can do something with this man I mean I give love to him bro cause like I I really wasn't committed

to basketball like that bro I love baseball like baseball was like my first love ain't no way I was outside so like ah bro you a snag at home my strike zone was too big and the white boys started throwing that heat bro was like my first love. Ain't no way. It's like, what the fuck? I've been playing baseball. I was outside. Ah,

but you was snagging home. My strike zone was too big and the white boys started throwing that heat, bro. I was like, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

it's not, it's not. It's not Christmas out here. I was like, it's not. We had to get a picture, my boy. No way.

But, but nah, bro, I started taking it more serious like, you know, really after I broke my ankle like in high school

and it started to, it started to pan out for me but nah, bro, I just like being multifaceted in just everything I do. Basketball is obviously my profession, what I'm good at,

but it just opened doors for me and opened different avenues. That's what I preach to all, I guess, some of the young guys coming in. It's like, don't make this the only thing

you're good at, bro. This shit's a key at the end of the day. Just unlock a hell of doors for you. And they be trying to box y'all in a lot and I like it now that everybody has an avenue

to show their personality with their light. it don't matter what you fuck with what you do like even with you i know you go crazy with the legos you can't fight but it's just like why the fuck i'm mad at me what i like to do that's a lot of work like yeah but i mean that's uh people fear what they don't know or people like feel like they don't understand you know and so it's easy to sit there like oh lego nerd but at the end of the day bro no you just you can't you can't do this it's too intricate for you you know what i mean i can't do that shit yeah and the fact that um you can't do it and um it's fun to like kind of laugh and joke because other people that just follow like oh yeah you know what i mean but that's why i do it too bro like i really try to

stay uh take the sting out that word bro you hear the word nerd it's such a negative connotation towards it but man you just looked it up. It's just someone that's passionate about something at the end of the day. There's basketball, plenty of basketball nerds out there. That's what it is. Especially me.

I just try to put on for like those guys. Like those are like my friends in school and whatnot, you know what I mean? They didn't have the abilities that I had or even the social skills that, you know, that we had. So I just try to put on for them, man. For sure. Listen, you got a lot of crazy highlights.

What's some of your favorite highlights? My favorite highlights? You got a lot of bodies. Yeah, no, I got plenty of them. For sure. Listen, you got a lot of crazy highlights. What's some of your favorite highlights? My favorite highlights? You caught a lot of bodies. Yeah, I got plenty of them. Talk that shit. I think one of my favorite highlights I ever had was

we were playing Boston in the first round, like my fourth year maybe. And I got Gordon Hayward like something crazy. Like I pumped fake out and went downhill. Was able to surprise him off too.

And like that kind of put me on the map a little bit more too. Just where it was like oh shit like i know he had that you know and that was a good one i got tristan thompson my second year in the playoffs tt yeah that was i was off a rebound whether i came up and just and he was talking shit so i got love of tt you know we both longhorned but he was just talking that shit that series and that just like felt good you remember that series though of course i do bro when we was up 30 bro yes well we was hype as hell going to the locker room bro bron told us he walked out at half court i remember i was walking and he said we good y'all

i look like oh fuck it that shit started going down like they about to beat us third quarter we down we were up 15 in the third i like, they about to beat us. Third quarter, we down. We up 15 in the third. I'm like, we about to lose, y'all. We losing it. Oh, man. What happened for real, though, bro? They was just better than us, bro.

I mean, but what, Miles? We heard his side. Can I hear your side, bro? Because it may be different. Like, what you think? I think that's it, bro. Second year, like, we had all the tools, but we didn't have the chemistry, bro. For sure.

Let's just be real. Yeah. We had so much talent in that roster, but, like, they didn't really fuck with each other, bro. It just was what it was. And you can tell, and you can always tell, like, on the court. Yeah. And I think that was, like, a big thing for the front office,

even, like, now is, like, we want to bring in guys that we didn't know were going to mesh. You know what I mean? We got to put egos to the side. That's what made us so good this year. There was just no ego. We got all this hoop. But at that time, there was just a lot of ego

and a lot of who's the man, this. It was tough, bro. So I think when we got into the playoffs, we didn't really have no flow, bro. We were just relying on talent at the end of the day. And you know during the playoffs that don't work and cleveland was a better team bro like they had all their role players like kairi was still there she would even have kyle corver like they had plenty of guys

to richard jefferson jr smith like guys that knew what they do the role whereas we were trying to like force our role for sure yeah that's a bad i thought i finally was gonna be broad i was hype that shit was over with yeah bro that's crazy how much chemistry really matters it is outside of the business if you look at that team how many people was either in a contract year or near a contract year and it's just like yeah it's gotta be team but i gotta get fucking paid yeah i gotta get these stats up that was that was my contract He had a thing bro, like bro, I remember this shit vividly anytime he will get scored on, you know, bro We're breaking up like he's going My competitive like somebody score me I just couldn't like I'm like I shit, all right. That motherfucker paper tapped in that boy's head. That's just my competitive.

When somebody's scoring me, I just couldn't. I'm like, I got to get them back. That was just me. We saw last week in the big three. That's me. When you score, I need the ball back. I play one-on-one. Come on, I need the ball back.

But I grew out of that, man, when I retired. You was part of the chemistry, fucker. I was the fucker. I was the fuck up. I was the fuck up. Because I'm the point guard. So I got to bring everybody together. I didn't do a good job of that. Like I always tell y'all, I should have been way better at that.

Like I talked to Miles. I talked to Thad, CJ. But everybody else, Glenn. But other than that, I ain't really talking to nobody. Like PG and like Montae. I ain't really talk to them like that. And Monta. I ain't really talk to him like that. And they was the two of the guys who had the ball too. So it was just a bad blend at that time.

For sure, man. But listen, we back on the map. Pacers going crazy. I don't give a fuck about nobody else's free agent pickups. We still in the East going crazy. You still got to come to games, Bruce, and see what's up with it. I can't wait for us to go crazy again this season, man. Yeah, be here.

What's up? Yeah, I'm talking shit today. to go crazy again this season, man. It be here. What's up, man? I'm talking shit today. We with the Eastern Conference fans. Y'all can doubt that. I ain't want to lose in here. Get well soon. Bucks.

Who else? We building. We need that experience. Miles, listen. It ain't even just because you're here, bro. No, no. Keep it real.

You 28, bro. I've been hating on the Pacers even before you was thought of you wasn't even thought of pops was still doing his thing you know what i'm saying but y'all are a better team though like i'll i'll be giving dj hell all the time you know what i'm saying but now i do y'all are a good team for sure no one that roster had no playoff experience. This is perfect for everybody. Now you just build on it.

That's good if you have momentum, for sure. But I'm being honest. I still got Boston. They the champs. Respect. Milwaukee. I'm going to die hard in Milwaukee. I don't know why.

Philly, bro. My boy Dame coming back healthy. Yeah. East is really good. You and I got y'all over Philly. don't even i don't like philly oh bro i like i like the players they come back in there bro i like pg coat but i just don't have to step into his monster space jam but i just don't like they always i don't know i don't like it for some reason that's the team i need to see chemistry work i gotta see it happen i need to see it

happen i got y'all because i do got the perfect I need to see it happen bro I got y'all Cause y'all do got The perfect chemistry Pascal gonna have A full year with y'all Yeah I like that And y'all already got That experience

I like that But in the Knicks I'm excited to see y'all In the Knicks y'all That's my four right there Yeah that's right They got some pickups too Yeah they got my kill

No the East is reloaded bro But it makes it fun bro Yeah And then my Hawks Oh Jesus We in rebuild I think his his house got a chance against y'all man no no we ain't good defense bro that's that's the biggest thing the hawks they talented offensively we ain't rebuilt we ain't talking about it we got number one pick for real sweet

we got number one free trade man get. Free Trey Young, man. Get him out of that letter, man. I was surprised they traded DeJounte. I really was. I know he probably has more value. Probably needs some more money. Yeah. I didn't know what he was talking about.

Is there something about him going to San Antonio or trade or whatever? Back to San Antonio would have been crazy. Oh, that would have been nuts. Yeah. But nah, they got Chris Paul. So that is definitely not happening. Yeah, true. I got to, for real quick, I know we're joking and shit,

but do you think y'all are missing a piece? Like, what do you think that y'all can bring? Not necessarily a player, but, like, something that somebody can add to help y'all get over that hump that y'all are right now. I think, one, we got to be a better rebounding team, bro. We're still kind of small. We just got Wiseman, so that helps a bit. You know what I mean? He's, like, 7'1", but we're, kind of small okay we just got wiseman so that that helps a bit you know i mean he's like 7-1 but we're like a big team i mean outside of me isaiah jackson was 6-9 jalen smith at the time was 6-9 6-10 so um i mean just uh having more frontcourt presence especially

off the bench and um uh just vets bro i mean i'm like me and tj were probably the oldest dudes in the team now outside of you know jj when uh when he resigned but jj in the vets, bro. I mean, I'm like, me and TJ were probably the oldest dudes on the team now. Outside of, you know, JJ when he resigned. JJ. And the vets, bro. Listen, man, I was geeked about Wise, man. I was like, if there was any team that would help him, it would be us. You know what I'm saying? You being a mentor for him.

That's perfect. That's perfect for him, man, to get back on track and do what he's supposed to do. But listen, man, we got to get up out of here. Miles, we appreciate you sliding, man. You know what time it is. Naptown, Pacers, we getting the fucking done this year. I don't want to hear no more nick slant no nick's talking about dms we reach our ass game seven at the crib i wear a full pacers outfit bro and a bandana for sure with the forces yeah i get some yellow forces with the white legs okay all right

yeah and I get, you know, I got somebody that they're right on shoes and shit. I get my ass turned every time. Take on that.

Don't camera. You're going to see that. Hey. Hey. Back to this moment. And on some real shit for my old heads back in the day,

I'm going to wear the patient shirt with no shirt under. The jersey with no shirt under. And on that note, we're going to get up out of here. I'm sleeping in his uniform. That's bad body language. Yeah, you're all talking the jersey is out of pocket. I'm sleeping in his uniform. That's bad body language.

You're all talking to Jersey. It's out of pocket. Hey, but you know what it is? Club 520, Miles Turner, Naptown. Be here and tell the people they can buy some merch. Shop club520.com, baby. Yes, sir. You know what it is.

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