Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Norris Cole on playing with LeBron & Miami Heat, Ray Allen’s shot in 2013 NBA Finals

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 106 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Norris Cole where the guys reflect on Cole’s crazy basketball career. Norris and Jeff talk about their matchup in the NCAA tournament where Cleveland State upset Jeff and Wake Forest in the first round of March Madness. Cole reflects on playing on the Miami Heat with LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh where they won two NBA Finals together. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells, special guest in the building. We're going to introduce my man's last, but to my far left, my dog, Bishop B. Henn, out the prayer lease. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. Let's get to it, baby. Another one. Okay. I said out of uniform, but it's all good. It's all good. Hey, Norris, you know what I'm saying? You a Midwest kid, but have you ever seen them feets over there? The black forces

with the white laces? I've never seen those before. I'll get you up here, bro. You wear 12. I don't wear them. We run from guys like that. I guess now,

you know, I know. So you dating, you see a nigga at the gas station, opposite direction. He got his own laces now, too,

though. Yeah. Straight up? Yeah. Shoe laces made me my own laces, bro. So shout out to the Calvary. That's where it started.

We trying to spread the black force across the world. Oh, goodness. That's about right, my dog, young Nacho, young T. How you doing, man? I'm chilling, bro. I'm cool. I'm glad we got my guy in the building. Still fuck Cleveland State.

But it's all love. But y'all listen, this wasn't even playing, you know what I'm saying? You got the Columbia's on. My boy got the, what fuck Cleveland State. But it's all love. For sure. Listen, this wasn't even playing. You know what I'm saying? You got the Columbia's on. My boy got the, what's that in his arm? Y'all already beat the Gamma's on. It's love, bro. You know what I mean?

Black against white, it's all love. Hey, I'm like that. Oh. Let's go. You still got me. Oh, man. Shout out to Cleveland State. 83-69.

Hell yeah. Talk that shit out. That's perfect. I think it was in state. 83-69. Hell yeah. Talk that shit out. That's perfect. When we played them, you remember USA Today that they were ranked. So we was both ranked and whoever won that game

was going to be number one. And obviously they won, but like, that was my first introduction to Greg on the court. Like, you obviously saw him play on like film,

but like, he was like a mountain out there on the court. Crazy. It was no, so no layup rule in effect. Like, shoot your saw him play on, like, film, but, like, he was like a mountain out there on the court. Crazy. It was no layup rule in effect. Like, shoot your floaters. I even shot a floater and he blocked one. So, it was like, shoot threes.

Shoot three. And then, you know, Mike going to control the whole game. Yeah. Was that your first time seeing somebody like that? Yeah, that was my first time seeing. Yeah. I mean, we played against talented dudes, but, like, Greg was the dude.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we played against Division I. No, yeah. That's what I'm saying? We played against Division I teams all the time. Greg was a pro, though. And then Mike, we played against scoring point guards and fast point guards, but Mike had the ultimate balance. He was super quick, but he was poised. He knew when to score and when not to score. That was the first time I seen a floor general in high school

because most dudes just score in high school. He was a true floor general. Mike, he could not score in high school. He was a true floor general. Like Mike wouldn't, he could not score in a game and still dictate the game. Like crazy as fuck. He averaged 11 in high school. Yeah.

It was tough. But like 11 assists too though. But I'm saying though, niggas really like sleep. And he was ultra athletic. Yeah. Oh, retarded.

Left foot dunk, right foot dunk, left hand dunk, right hand dunk. That's today's. And it's funny hearing that from both of y'all because of how y'all play. Both of y'all are fast as shit. Bro, Mike was different fast.

Yeah, he probably ran a 4-2. But like you said, his genetics, bro. His father takes off from the free throw line with two hands. He used to dunk off vertical. I used to watch him dunk off vertical. I was like, Daniel. I was like, why you don't ever dunk? He's like, for what?

I heard you play football too though, bro What position did you play? QB Okay True Was that your first love or? I was naturally better at football But all my uncles went to college for football

Like Division I had an uncle that went to Nebraska Played in the Big 8 Yeah Played in the Orange Bowl I had another uncle that played in Eastern Washington Another one played at Texas Southern Football, Central State.

So football was like in my family. Like my first cousin, Trent Cole, played for the Philadelphia Eagles for 12 years. So football was like, that was in the family.

We all played basketball too, but like football was like my first love because I was the most skilled at it. I played all the sports, but that one came natural. Like I didn't have to do too much to know how to play that's who started recruiting you heavy

that's where you did your first scotty come from football or who both but it was low level for basketball i never got only had one division one offer for basketball that was cleveland state okay for football i would get like mac schools got toled Ohio but I never really entertained it because I wanted to play basketball ah okay yeah I wanted to play basketball yeah I was going to ask how you got to go to Walsh

but you said that was your offer that was the only one I was committed to go to Walsh I was committed to go to NAIA Walsh oh yeah Canton, Ohio NAIA Division 2

and then my high school coach couldn't accept it he was like no he was like at least you got to give a division one a try I said well I didn't know division was coming I'm not paying for school like I didn't have an. He was like, no. He was like, no, at least you got to give a division one a try. I said, well, I didn't know division was coming, and I'm not paying for school.

Like, I didn't have an ego. I was like, I'm going to school somewhere. Then Cleveland State, you know, they came and watched me play in the state championship. We won the state my senior year. And then they offered me a scholarship, and I was like, that's where I'm going. Damn, that's hard. And that's the tail end of your shit, too. That was all she wrote after that.

That's a lot of motivation for some of these guys who don't got offers right now. You don't have no ego. Go where they want you. That's the tail end of this shit too. That was all she wrote after that. That's a lot of motivation for some of these guys who don't got offers right now. You don't have no ego. Go where they want you. That's the thing with me. I wasn't going to go look for some D1 that didn't want me, was going to ask me to pay half. Because I was going to get an academic scholarship because my grades was nice. It was like having me pay half to get on the team. I was like, no.

Walsh wanted me. NAIA, they was laying the red carpet out i'm gonna be the guy so i'm like cool and then cleveland state came they came to my house sat in my you know talked to my dad my mom my uncle looked them in the face and i was like oh they want me so that's where i'm gonna go that's what's up man fuck cleveland state i've been waiting to say that shit for about i understand 20 years we're here now let's talk about it I've been waiting to say that shit for about 20 years. We're here now.

Let's talk about it. 83 to 69. Hey, we had a lot of shit going on, man. Sorry. First year at Cleveland State, you didn't get the keys right away, did you? I did not get the keys, man. Listen. I averaged like five points a game. Maybe nine points a game.

I was the backup. And so the conditioning, I had never did conditioning. Okay. Because at Dunbar, we were so talented. Like we did conditioning, but like we was going to win because we had the most talent. I got to Cleveland State, individuals and stuff. You know, you got to hold your own in college individuals. So that's the first time I'm like, oh, I'm not good enough right now.

So my freshman year was all about getting acclimated i started lifting weights heavy started running taking wind sprints serious right getting my like skills i never practiced dribbling bro that was the first time i started practicing dribbling and stuff like that and it was like i went from averaging five points as a freshman to 13 as a sophomore which is when they got you know yeah that's when it clicked because y'all be, shit, I remember that y'all played against, I think Paul Harris.

We beat Syracuse, we beat Florida State, we beat South Florida. Yeah, y'all wasn't the only ones, bro. Nah, we watched y'all beat Syracuse because I think

y'all other guard came from Syracuse. Uh-uh, he came from St. John's. St. John's, somewhere, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, I remember watching

he caught a lob or something, but we ain't take y'all serious. I know. We was worried I was getting ready For the draft almost Nah we had Arizona So we had Arizona

Did y'all play Arizona? Yeah Yeah so we was like Alright we gonna play Arizona That's gonna be the scouts Jordan Hill I was like yeah I'm gonna go top 10

Yeah I'm gonna go top 10 Then I'm like After that we gonna go To Indianapolis Where I'm gonna be at the crib I'm gonna really put on A show against Louisville So we We watched film with y'all But not really Like we watched like I'm like, after that, we're going to go to Indianapolis where I'm going to be at the crib. I'm going to really put on a show against Louisville.

So we watched film with y'all, but not really. Like, we watched like 30 minutes, and we was like, they too small. And then I'll never forget our coach was like, because we went to the club the night before. We knew that. So we went. We was living, bro. We was getting paid. We was living. Like, we was rock stars.

In our L-time, baby. So he ended up they end up showing us him but they was like they point guard the cedric kid he was like bro he he can play me like yeah all right who's that nigga he transferred i know he can't who you know i'm saying like so my man i ain't worried about him they was like and they got a football player whoever y'all big man he was. He was our real best player, J'Nathan Bullock. Yeah, but he played football?

Yeah, he got a... After he finished, he went to the Jets and got on their practice squad right away and never played since high school. Oh, yeah. They was just like,

he a football player. He ain't even a basketball player. I'll never forget that. And I remember when the game started, he had a bank three. And our coach called a timeout. He said, we're going to fucking lose.

Guys are playing around. I'm like, man, we about to lose to these sad ass niggas. That shit just started getting spooky. I'm looking. I'm like, what the fuck? Bro, we wasn't even allowed to. Y'all went to South Beach. Yeah.

Bro, we stayed by the airport. And they let us ride down South Beach on a bus. Then let's get off. That was our tournament experience. Coach was like, nah, we ain't here just to be here he said y'all want to go to south beach bus driver driving to south beach don't nobody get off so we just rolled down got to look at it and went right back to our hotel that was all our tournament shit nigga i was walking on the beach went to a club first time i ever seen a club like a club like that yeah niggas buying shots i didn't

drink at that time but we was vibing we knew we was good so i said park nigga we got in that game we start arguing i'm like we just start arguing super athletic though yeah we just start arguing our whole team was then i just start running to the corner line i'm done they was trapping every time i came off ball screen two people here i'm like y'all niggas gotta make a shot niggas was bricking them niggas was celebrating my bracket fuck it I'm going to the everybody's bracket but the thing is what we played against y'all that's how we played against everybody like we trapped ball screens like really aggressive um like we didn't play super fast but like if it was a miss you know we pushed the pace yeah like coach was a defensive coach nah y'all defense was

a11 I went I had an attitude that game though so I ain't even play hard my dad was calling me so many times after that game I was like yo

stop calling me dog he's like you play like a hoe you had 8 points I don't even know what I had I'm probably like 8 9 points you know what was ironic Pat Riley was at that game

damn he ended up drafting me like he was at the game sitting a few rows away from my parents and my uncle and I was like you know Pat Riley's at the game I was ended up drafting me like yeah he was at the game sitting a few rows away from my parents and my uncle and i was like you know pat riles at the game i was like nah i didn't know that but like okay cool yeah two years later and he talked about it when i got drafted like i saw you play as a sophomore you don't even know like we was looking at other people obviously at the time but like that was their first time like getting introduced to me

damn it's crazy look at this this. You helped him get drafted, Jack. It all worked out. I'm always going to give him my fuck. It was crazy. Now, that's a hell of a story, though, by the way.

It's really crazy, though. You know, so, what's, uh, James. Yeah. So, you know how y'all was walking in the back, how we was warming up,

and y'all was kind of walking through our line a little bit. And Big J. Nathan was like, hey, bro, if these cats walk through our line one more time bro i'm gonna get active and i'm like now looking back i said i'm glad he's like oh i was like because at the time you know we with him he our big dog you know he's big dog like ain't nobody with him so he's like bro they walk through our line one more time, bro, I don't care which one of them is.

I'm about to get active. And we like, whatever. And then, like, now I'm like, oh, I'm so glad that that didn't happen. Because he would have been a bowling ball. One punch after one punch after. We would have lived for that moment. I'm glad you took the fight with him. Turn up.

I just got behind him do that shit and you know you're the homie now out of Miami so he's so cool he talk about that and I'm like

I never told him that I was like but when y'all was walking through our line it was really about to be something I'm like and it would've got so ugly so fast

man bro cause he know he the truth with it though truth no cause you was but he don't play that was my nigga.

Yeah, he knows. Shout out to JJ, bro. I see him do work. Is JJ out here? Yes, sir. Yup, he did come back. I'll get down for the paces. And there ain't going to be no more running into their locker room.

They signed him right after that. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, fuck that game ball. Run into the locker room again. Go get that game ball now. What is this all ball now Come on man Yeah bro leave him alone I'm just gonna keep it real

What was your most Memorable tournament game That one That one You got off the most On that one I mean I had 17 against

Arizona but we lost I only count wins Oh okay For sure But what's fucked up Is though about that Y'all beating us I'll never forget

So Rick Pitino I had beef with him Cause he Didn't recruit me But he You know he wanted to recruit My little brother And my dad played for him

So I had beef with him So I wanted to play Louisville so bad And that day Of the game He said Y'all gotta watch that 12-5 matchup

Cleveland State And Wake Forest I got Cleveland State Beating them I was like Bitch We gonna beat y'all what this nigga talking about like he about to nigga you a coach for a team that's in the tournament you telling niggas who gonna win and shit talk to him I was like man that's why I'd be so hyped when they lose every time he was in the Big East though yeah because he watched us play against um South Florida's in the Big East

when we beat Syracuse they was in the east so like he had like been watching all year yeah i felt the way though waters we used to coach ruckers my coach okay can't cleveland state he was at rucker so he came from the big east so he had a relationship yeah and he said that shit and that shit happened out i ain't gonna i wasn't mad because i knew i was about to go to nba but i was sick that like i didn't get to play Louisville. That's my biggest thing. I don't know because they smashed Arizona.

They did them dirty. He would have tried to get 50 on them. I would have tried to. Johnson Terrence Williams. I would have fucked with. Me and Edgar Sosa, we ironed out our beef. That's good. But I was going to get 50 on them.

That's what I did. I wish you would have went to Louisville. I wish that could have happened. Hell, I wasn't about to be pressing like that. I'm glad I went where I went because defense was not a priority over there. So I got to ask you this first. Who are the ones you got to play first?

Edgar Sosa or Deshaun Jackson? Deshaun Jackson. That's jokes. That's jokes. That's for the internet. That's jokes, bro. When he says it's for content, that's jokes, bro. That's for the internet that's jokes bro what he says for content that's jokes bro

nah that's jokes I ain't worried about that's jokes bro guard play was tough back then though back in the days you had to really

strap up like who was Arizona guard they had um Nick Wise there you go get busy yeah I had his number

circled too I should have circled your shit Pull up Yeah that was wild I said pull up Yeah Yeah All right

Combs Put King in front of it They They be shelling them too Yeah Yeah They be shelling them too I was shitty

I was They had a good team though Shout out to Harass League So kill it that time Obviously you know You hold it down You talk about the Pat Rudd situation

Hold on, DJ. Hold on. Did you play against Justin Sarasoli? You didn't? Oh, okay. Maybe he was too young. I thought he played for, damn, some school in Chicago. UIC?

Or Loyola? Loyola. He played for Loyola. I ain't know. I'm going to be honest. I didn't know none of the players' names in Loyola. They was in our conference So we played them Yeah okay

We can move on But he was one of Justice Sir It was one of them I remember his senior year I remember Because they beat us So obviously I just

Kind of kept up with shit Yeah And I remember his senior year Nigga he was getting 40 and shit I'm like Damn they got a box Oh this nigga That turnt up

I can't play going in Yeah 40 I'm like yeah He's wild you average what 22 or some shit like that how was that six and six bro my senior year was like magic i'm gonna be honest because i was having an out-of-body experience like i couldn't even explain what was going on damn you know how coaches say work hard work hard and eventually the payoff cats be like ah when it's gonna pay off, my senior year was just my three years before that paying off. Damn.

All the working out three times a day, you know. Like, I used to kill myself in workouts. But my teammates thought I was, like, weird, like, lightweight. Because I would work out before practice, after practice, and then come back midnight. Like, I don't even know how I did homework to stay eligible, bro. Because I was working out all day long. Because I went to the Darren Williams camp, Mike. Okay. After my junior year,

and they say 90% of people that go to that camp go to NBA. So I said, oh, they think I'm an NBA dude? I locked in ever since then. That's fire. Yeah, that's what my senior year was just like. Yeah, he was going crazy, bro. And I saw blood. I saw blood.

No, he was going crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That nigga put on A show that year I was watching Cause we thought about In Atlanta They had you on a

I used to just go In the draft room And shit And look and see Like see if they Was trying to replace me Or not You're sick bro

Hey I really You are sick I worked out in Atlanta though Like for the draft That's where I was Like my big boot camp At down there I was down there

Who you working out with I was working out With Cedric Tony And uh He uh heard it it was in a it was in like a little uh remember sharif abdul rahim he had a house he had a house with a gym yeah yeah that's where i worked out every day twice a day i was in there and like it was like hot in there too bro they signed brian bro relax they signed they signed brian relax bro how was your drive process though bro like bro. Relax. They saw him brawn. Relax, bro. How was your drive process, though, bro? How many teams did you work out for? I did 11 workouts.

I knew my range was after lottery, 14 to early second round. I knew I wasn't going to go below Miami. I worked out for 11 teams. My agent wanted me to do two more and I was like, I knew I wasn't going to go below Miami. Okay. So I worked out for 11 teams. My agent wanted me to do like two more.

And I was like, nah, I'm not doing two more. When I was tired, I was like, after my 11th one, I was like, I said, if they don't think I'm good enough by now, I'm just, because I was exhausted. Because my senior year, I was exhausted. Because coach wore me. I played every minute of every practice, every minute of every game. So I was like wore out and I didn't get the chance to rest.

Like after the season was over, I went to school for like maybe one more month and I left school early. Like I talked to the professors. I was able to take some of my finals early and then I started getting ready. Yeah. So I did 11 workouts and I was done. Any of them teams ever be like, we're taking you north? Nah, because I know I wasn't hands on like that because I ain't care.'re taking you north? Nah, because I wasn't hands-on like that because I didn't care.

I'm coming from Cleveland State, so I ain't had no ego. I was just like, whoever you put in front of me in these workouts, I'm dog walking them. For sure. Who'd you kill? Best kind of guy I am.

Who'd you kill? Who you had to kill? I had some, who I had in my workout. Just talk about Your competitive workouts I don't I don't know

Everybody's name though Because I'm at Cleveland State I ain't played So I ain't really know You know them now You know them now You remember They got me to kill

It was I worked out With you I worked out Against a guard From UCLA I think his name Malcolm Lee or something

Malcolm Lee was in the league For a minute He played for the Timberwolves I know him I worked out With the guard from UCLA. I think his name, Malcolm Lee or something. Oh, Malcolm Lee was in the league for a minute. He played for the Timberwolves. I know him. I worked out with, what's the guy from Kansas? Shelby. Josh Shelby. Josh Shelby.

I've worked out against him. Oh, shit. Demetri McKamey from Illinois. Oh, that was my guy. What's the guy from Michigan State that was All-American at Michigan State? Kaelin Lucas. Kaelin Lucas. Yeah, you cooked him.

You had some good ass workouts nigga nah I worked out with a lot of people yeah some hoopers couple of my workouts I was with guys that was like that

uh like I worked out with what's uh Chandler Parsons yeah I worked out at Miami with him yeah

um you cooked them we was on the same team I'm being honest we played that day we didn't do one on ones we did like three on threes and four on fours

okay uh who was I think the Clay Thompson workout was in Charlotte yeah I ain't gonna say you cooked him

I'm just gonna keep it to you I wouldn't say I didn't think it's all a spot nah he was he was like that it was one other cat I can't remember

it was in OKC I can't remember who it was but I cooked that whole workout he went to Villanova what's the dude Corey Fisher him yeah he cooked It was in OKC. I can't remember who it was, but I cooked that whole workout. He went to Villanova. What's the dude?

Corey Fisher? Him. Yeah. He cooked, yep. Yeah. I'm going to be honest, though.

All my workouts, I cooked just about, I killed my workouts, though. Nah, I can believe it, bro. I killed it. So you was confident.

Because I didn't play in the ACC tournament on TV. Yeah, sorry. You was. The Big East tournament. You had element surprise. That's how I knew you cooked because to get picked first round.

Yeah, you got to go on the workouts and prove something. You're going crazy. Especially from Cleveland State. For sure. And obviously, you know where you go. You end up in Miami. Did you know he was going to be a part? It's crazy.

You know what I'm saying? You talk about every point of your life. Senior year to get to college. You know what I'm saying? D1, you went crazy, won the chip. Then you went crazy in the tournament, went crazy last year. Now you get to the league. And then you walk into one of the craziest situations in basketball.

I ain't going to lie, I was excited. Because I always won. Like, my high school, we won. We won in college in the Horizon League. So I wanted to go somewhere where we can win. But I also wanted to be a part of the winning. So when I got drafted there, I'm like, I was happy. And then like after the first day, I was like, all right, I got to get ready because they don't necessarily need me.

They went to the finals last year without me. So I'm like, I got to make my imprint so that I can get on the court. That's the first thing I started thinking about. Like, okay, I got to get ready because if I don't do right, I sent the bench the whole year. I didn't want to go to the G League. You know, I wanted to do what was called the G League back then. Me, yeah.

The D League back then. Yeah. I was like, I ain't never want to get regulated. No offense to Cats that do, but I didn't want to do that. I already did my four years of school. I didn't want to do no more developing.

I wanted to develop on the big team. So first day I was excited. Next day I was like, all right, it's time to get to work so I can earn their respect. How was that first practice? We had to lock out. Yeah.

Oh, shit. You're right, bro. I worked out with Brian a couple of times because he's from Ohio. Yeah. It's funny. I worked out in some Adidas, bro. I walked in that man's house in some D-Rose Adidas, and he looked at me crazy. That's how I got my Nike deal.

Okay. That's hard. It was like- Shout out to Brian deal okay that's all it was like shouts of braun one of his homies was like well why are you wearing adidas i said because they gonna pay me they giving me the contract he said but what they paying you and i looked at him he said no seriously what they paying you whatever they paying you the guy's gonna call you tomorrow and i'm like whatever we finished the workout and a guy from Nike called me the next day and said hey what do you want for us to switch you over

and I told him I should have upped it up so I just sent him the straight contract that Adidas gave me and I switched to Nike the next day

that's a fire ass story that's hard that's hard that is a fire ass story bro I know JR was mad when he got that news that's a fire story that's when I know JR was mad when he got that news. That's a fire story, bro.

That's when I realized Cat's got real influence out here. Oh, dude. Like the next day, Cat from Nike said, hey, Norris, yeah, so what's your, he didn't even say how you doing or nothing. Yeah, Norris, yeah, so what's your contract with the deal? What do we need to do to sign you over? Like send us your numbers so we can get that taken care of. I was like, cool, check your phone. I'm going to text you my contract.

Just give me this. And that's what they did but we ain't had practice until december because our first game was christmas so we had training camp two weeks in december and then we like so i didn't get to play summer league i didn't get to like have those pre-workouts before you know how you work out come in before practice the young dudes do before the first right i didn't get to do none of that so it's like my first day of practice was my first day of like practice okay when you crack the like lineup like a good chance of getting the games i knew i was gonna get in like i knew i was gonna get in just because how i was doing in practice in preseason and they don't lie to you in miami like they don't they don't they don't like feed you

like fools go you know how some coaches oh good job young fella you know you're gonna do that and then you'd be like dang i ain't play a minute i knew i was like pre-season games i was like playing and coach let me make some mistakes and then in practice i was holding my own in practice so i was like okay he gonna play me and then he told me like you know you might be ready so that's all i need to hear he don't gotta tell me you gonna play this many minutes cause like I said I'm just happy to be there

he's just like stay ready young fella and as soon as it was time that first substitution I'm like oh he's serious Cole going against Dallas on TNT

cause they won the championship they beat us and that was like the premier game I was like alright let's do it who was that who was that matchup

when you first got in J.J. was it J.J. Barea that's why they drafted me though cause the small guards the fast guards killed them

so it was J.J. Barea Jet had went to the Celtics the real Jet the real Jet I'm the real Jet Jason Terry I'm the real Jet

I'm the real Jet since we talking about the real Jet we ain't talking about knock knee either no kidding Smith I know that Jason Terry still hates you for setting up that lob Since we talking about the real Jets We ain't talking about knock neet either No Kenny Smith I know that Jace Terry still hates you For setting up that lob

So that wasn't the craziest LeBron play We didn't think it was going to be that crazy Because we had many lobs But somehow it's like that lived forever What? Bro, that play is crazy You're a part of history Yeah, but at the time it happened

We didn't think that That nigga got killed on live tv because of you you didn't see who you didn't see jet it didn't matter i knew who was trailing i was like i can i can take the layup or i can the automatic he was being a good that's why you was perfect for miami because i would have shot the layup Yeah They would have been like Fuck him up Fuck him up This nigga was the ultimate teammate Facts

That I can't say bro I didn't fight the system at all Because at first When I first got there I was shooting a lot I was playing like hot did at Cleveland State And they didn't reel me in real quick They let me do it

Because my first home game I had like 20. 14 in the fourth, I'm reeling in. So they waited until I had an off game. As soon as I had an off game, they reeled it in real quick. Spoh was like, hey, man, that one dribble pull-up with 13 on the clock, 14 on the shot clock, that ain't what we want. That's Chris Bosh setting that screen, picking the poppin'.

That's Ray Allen standing over there. You know who Ray Allen is? I'm like, yeah, that's the all-time three-point leader. Yeah, that's D-Wade. D-Wade LeBron, one of them was in. It's like,

that's Dwayne Wade. That's the franchise leader in points over there. You came off and tried to pull up three while they watching you play. That ain't how we want to play. And I was just like,

but coach, I can make it. He was like, and he looked at me and I said, never mind. I said, you right, Spoh. I said, you right. So early in the clock, I'm coming off it run to the corner because i want to play because they'll put you on that bench and bury you because it ain't nothing for them to be like

all right we're going with the big lineup brown at the one d way to two right at the three shame bad at the four chris botch at the five so if i didn't do right that's what would have happened i ain't want that to happen so i'm like you know what cool you ain't gotta say nothing else i'm gonna come off that's why y'all used to know that. Garth used to know I couldn't go back at him. That's why I didn't dis- Remember when I said that about Mario? It wasn't no disrespect.

It wasn't. We're going to get to that too. But Mario- I was a little different than him though because I was more aggressive than him. I was feistier than he was. Yeah. I used to really disrespect. I wasn't guarding.

I wasn't going to guard him because he could shoot. I know Mario. I know because really, like, disrespect. I wasn't guarding. I wasn't going to guard him because, I mean, he could shoot. I know Mario. I know. Because before, like, Brian got there, nigga Mario used to get to it. But when Brian got there, it was, like, different. And this is how you have to run to the corner, bro. It ain't no, oh, I'm going to try my getting, bro. He started doing stuff like this.

By them nails. Next thing you know, go sit down. You you know go sit down you gotta go sit down i knew that see this is why i'll be saying like i feel like y'all just catch and i don't know if you watch the show and i feel like y'all just catch clips because bro don't mean no malice behind this shit it's just how shit be clipped up because he was just saying shit if we in motherfucking Miami, I'm straight. Yeah. I can go out because I know

what Mario finna do the whole game so I can go out to the court. He's about to set a screen or he going to the court? Yeah, it wasn't ever like this thing is sad.

He never said he was sad. I know y'all not sad. I know because I know when those people sit out, when Brian D. Wade sit out, they go for 30. For sure, for sure.

Our second unit was different than our starter unit so that starter unit like you said it was real like let Brian and D-Wade do a lot of work

in the second unit I can handle the ball sometime at least to initiate it eventually I was gonna have to get off of it at least I could initiate and we played a little faster

and y'all y'all moved it though especially when you had D-Wade y'all really moved it Brian Brian moved it but he did more like, yeah, come here. Yeah, little guy comes at the screen, get the switch or whatever.

I used to feel bad, though, sometimes for real because I knew he could score a little bit. But like you said, talking about two of the best perimeter players in the NCB was one of the top four big scorers. You got to get on the rock. It was just the odd man out. You're just a pecking order, bro. And it's legit. It's not. It ain't.

It ain't no fighting, bro. Yeah, it's legit. None of them niggas was playing. It was all three first-battle holes. Yeah, this score came off the bench because Ray was coming off the bench. Come on. And Rio was actually,

he was nice, bro. He was just like, I know you can't shoot that shot. Like, you about to go off this pick and roll, I'm going under because you want to shoot it, but I know you can't roll I'm going under Cause you wanna shoot it But I know you can't

Yeah And I know you can make it But you can't shoot it Cause if you Make or miss Hitting the shot You gonna come out Of the air

If you better make it Nah you better make it Even if you make it You still might come out though A no pass With 15 on the shot clock Pick and roll three If you shoot that

And don't make it Spoh Nah not Spoh The starting lineup Is's brian and d-way and cb they know man they think they're gonna have to run back on these i knew that because i used to be that with joe johnson josh smith al orford marvin jamal if i shoot the ball and i don't make it you're coming out that's why i be want him to speak more because niggas don't even understand the life He really had to leave

Before Chalmers like had to live that life. There's already he walked into the league in that That's when I started playing but before I got there and we had Wilson it was ISO So like ISO Joe We had Jamal Who That's a walking 25 Josh need that motherfucker Josh need it

Al Horford want it Marvin want it Then we had other veterans I was just Man I was just happy Yeah What we going out tonight?

And what's so crazy Is both of y'all background Because y'all were scoring Scores Yeah I heard my respect though Like in open runs and in the summertime like playing like in the pro realms and stuff so like when people come to miami

that's how like everybody knew like nah he can hoop he just playing his role yeah i never wanted to be known as like ain't nobody in the league watch but you don't never want to be known as one of them dudes it's like self-check i'm like ain't no self-check i'm playing my role but that's and see this goes to my but he's the kill though no but norris kahoot that's why i think people like i said when people watch our shit they think we this and no we understand it because yeah this is my nigga i know where he had the sacrifice we used to be mad at him for not going to get 30 as your man's probably said damn norris don't kill nah for sure you know what i mean because we're not realizing

the game but that's why i was like, shit, maybe a nigga probably would take $100 million over. Over the rings. Easy for me. It ain't easy. North will trade one of the rings for 100 elms. Still get the keys.

Because niggas was mad at me because it wasn't no slight to North. That's it. But niggas don't talk about North enough. That extreme is extreme. But I take like 40 or 50 with my rings and not 100 with the rings then take 100 with no rings though okay that's a tough extreme though 100 or

no because 100 is crazy you know i mean it is 100 is different but i take the middle of the pack with the rings 50 in the ring yeah i feel that i mean you can still have a you can have the same life it's a lot yeah well we in the mid. That's why we back here in the Midwest. Our butts stretch farther up here. Yeah, you can have the same life. But to be known as a champion, bro, it's like even if you weren't the best player, like I was a road player, but I played, though. So anytime I go somewhere, it's like I get in rooms that normally I wouldn't, like other NBA players wouldn't be able to get into just off of GP.

Like, no, no, that's Cole. He played for the championship team. He good in here. And I've seen that happen in real life. I was going to a real VIP spot where it was only 50 people in there. And I ain't had no invite. I just happened to know it,

be driving, seen it. And I was like, oh, let me. And they was like, oh, Cole, come on. And then the boss man was like, oh, yeah, nah, champ, he good. And I'm like, hey, that's what it is? That's all it was.

And we always talk about you know relationships being worth more than money so i we fuck with that for sure we was just that was the nature of the topic my nigga 100 m's yeah or do you want this motherfucking ring and we found out the niggas were selling them motherfucking rings faster than the chick on tim street selling that motherfucking thing you hear me something Nah because we Ultimately play to Take care of your family Yes bro And that's all We would say

It wasn't no hate Like you know I mean It came because I said Mario Give up his ring For a hundred million Yeah

No for a max deal That's what I said I said you give up His ring for a million Max deals Back then was not Like how you are now Even back then

We was talking about Right now what the Players was getting And we never Called niggas saying 250 plus Look how this nigga like they are now. They are. Even back then, that's still crazy. What we was talking about right now with the players was getting. All-Mancats getting. And we never called niggas saying, 250 plus? Oh, I just.

Look how this nigga got up in this chair. He want to move back to Miami. He was thinking about that ring. Nigga, what? Man, I don't, I don't even,

I get my ring up for a million. God damn. Yeah, this is for a million right now for a million see cause you still you still known

as a champion that's all I was saying exactly like I don't need the actual ring but if they say you can't win a ring are you talking about

the actual ring ring not the champion yeah but I'm just saying I take that as not being a champion like would you be a champion for less money or would you like

not want to be a champion I don't want I don't want to give a champion. I want to be a champion. I don't give a fuck. You want to have respect because you still getting to it. Yeah, I'm still, yeah. Still winning. Respect, bro.

And you a killer. But I'm saying you knocked it down 50%. Niggas, talk about the 100. What you doing for that 100? Pause. That's crazy. No, I'm going to put it. I said I'm going to put it.

I'll put it better. Yeah, we didn't. I'll put it better. We didn't have to show that. That was so appropriate. That's what I'm saying. Would you take $50 million in your rings or James Harden's? I'm taking $50 in my rings.

Shit. James Harden. Two rings at $50? I'm cool. What did James Harden touch? Probably $ 50? I'm cool. What James Harden touch? Probably 400? Nah, he's got to be. I'll tell you what I remember, though.

For me, what I value, 50 million, I can get anything I want. You can. How many mansions can you get? And you come from humble beginnings like us. Yeah. And you know in the Midwest, a million dollar crib up here in a million dollar crib in Miami or LA is two different lifestyles no for sure i'm saying your life gonna be normal but for me 300 million

like you can't spend it all shit i'm just saying my kids kids my mama other kids nigga what be careful not that but the other one. Be careful. Nah, that's, I mean, shout out to that, but I'm taking the 50. I know what 50 can do because I'm still going to live

where I live at. Yeah, you're going to live good, but. Yeah. But 400 though, then. You can figure something

different out of 400. Nah, for sure. I'm going to live where I live and somewhere else. And somewhere else other than that.

Let's move on. Norris still playing, y'all. Yeah, yeah, my fault. on. Norris still playing. Yeah, Norris still got some shit going on. And what's crazy is like your first year in the league,

you got a ring. How was that feeling? Your rookie year, you figured out the NBA, lockout year, crazy shit, and you get a championship. It's going to sound bad.

I mean, as humbly as possible, but I thought that's how it's supposed to be. That's what I thought how it was supposed to be. In high school, that's how it's supposed to be that's what i thought how it was supposed to be in high school that's how it was we won the state i went to cleveland state we won two conference championships so i'm like this is what you're supposed to do you win chips i ain't realized until the first year we didn't win it i was like oh and then the next year

when i got traded like my fourth year whatever i got traded and played new orleans we lost the first round i was like oh, this NBA life is different. Then when I didn't make the playoffs, suicide watch. Like, what is going on? Damn. So, I thought it was normal, honestly, bro. I was like, this is what it's supposed to be. What was it like when you finally, like, when you got traded?

I was a little, I didn't know how to feel. I was like a fish out of water. Yeah. Because the team didn't call me and tell me I found out on the ticker damn Walsh Ball then

found out on the ticker and then my agent my agent didn't call until it was official because when on the ticker it don't be official it just be

the paperwork went out you know behind the scenes but once it became final my agent called me and I was like I'm going to New Orleans I'm like

I'm going to Miami to New Orleans that's a whole different I'm going to Miami to New Orleans. That's a whole different, like, way of life. And guess who the first game was? Why, yeah. Against Miami. I didn't even move out of my apartment. I stayed in my apartment.

New Orleans flew in. I met the team at the hotel, went back to my apartment, and then played Miami the next day. Damn. Yeah. And we won, too. But I was sorry a little bit, though, because I thought I was going to play my whole career. That's when I learned the business of little bit though because I thought I was going to play

my whole career that's when I learned the business of the NBA because I thought I was going to play my whole career in Miami you got busy though I like going there

because I was able to show what I could do yeah bro they let you rock they let you rock yeah New Orleans is a cool city though I like New Orleans

I come from Miami though I mean nothing cool come from Miami if you go from Miami You got some You had a decent team though I'm saying It was nice

Yeah Go from Miami You got to damn near Go to New York To even like Experience like I mean you can go to like Houston or

Atlanta Houston Atlanta But like Miami is just like When you touch down I ain't gonna lie Every time we touch down Miami like I got happy Like oh shit I ain't going to lie. Every time we touch down in Miami, like, I got happy.

Like, oh, shit. Like, I'm about to go to Prime 112. We about to play the Heat tomorrow. The gym going to be hot. Like, it ain't going to be cold. You know, no offense to Philly fans, but when you go to Philly during the season, it be freezing when you go to shoot around. You got to wear hoodies and all this shit.

I used to hate playing there. Damn. New York. If y'all go practice at the Garden, it's going to be around. You got to wear hoodies and all this shit. I used to hate playing there. Damn. New York. If y'all go practice at the Garden, it's going to be freezing. Stink walking through the tunnel. Come on,

it'd just be wild. I'll be honest. You know how people be excited about playing in the Garden? I didn't get that adrenaline rush playing in the Garden.

See, I don't think you, was it remodeled when you first got in the league? I can't, I don't even know. All right, when I first got in the league,

it wasn't remodeled yet. So we had the old Dressing rooms bro And then you had to put All your clothes up Cause they like The roaches and rats Getting your shit You gotta keep them up high

I was like nah That's crazy I was like y'all lying Them motherfuckers out there They was like I seen the rats though Underneath when we walked Through the tunnel

Yeah I seen it They like bro Keep your clothes up there You can't even like Lay them I'm like damn We went to a clothes up there You can't even like Lay them down I'm like damn I don't lie

We went to a This is crazy And don't put no Smut on my name But I went to the Bad boys reunion tour At the garden I should have known

Did he call Did he call Did he call Through your head What did he tell you To come here This weekend It's Phillip Collins fault

We went Because we went For his birthday And he loved it He not like that, but I did went for my nigga's birthday party. Good times.

That's my best friend and I ain't go because I knew it. So them rats in that garden is real, bro. It's a real thing. You know how people feel about the gardens?

I felt like playing like that in Chicago. For real? Because my play there, anytime I play in Chicago, I ball like, that was like my garden, playing there, looking up there, seeing two, three. They had the hollow, the light, how the light used to I play in Chicago, I ball like, that was like my garden, playing there,

looking up there, seeing two, three. They had the hollow, the light, how the light used to hit it. I used to be like, the goat up there, like, let's get to it.

That's how I felt every time. Is that still your goat? 100%. Damn. I ain't like playing in Chicago. Where's your favorite place, boy? Utah.

No. Really? Yeah, I mean, I'm not even being funny. I had great, I've never not played good in Utah. The court, you know how the backdrop is so close. The fans is right there.

It's like shooting a high school gym. Here in Indiana. Like when you shoot in Indiana, you know, the fans is right behind the goal. I used to play good every time. I used to play here. Yeah. Because like I knew the whole, I used to be deep. Yeah.

I need 50 tickets this game because Dayton is like 90 minutes away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I just talking about the backdrop. I know I was gonna have good games like Philly. Hated playing Philly. The backdrop was so crazy.

I'm like, I hate playing here. Damn. Boston. I had some good games in Boston. I like the crowd was great in Boston. So I like playing in Boston. You remember your best moment in the NBA?

From a straight. From a Hoopin's perspective. Selfish. Like, were you just getting to it? Yeah, when I played in Cleveland, the weekend I got my

jersey retired at Cleveland State. We played... I was in New Orleans. We played at Cleveland. Okay. And, like, my parents and stuff,

Cleveland State, the whole school came to my game. That afternoon, they had raised my jersey in the rafters. I had, like, 26 and 8 on them.

Okay. That's hard, bro. that's a hell of a moment right there yeah that's far that was my favorite that was probably like my favorite moment

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They ain't fucking... I know that's a different game, bro. I done seen people rocking zero at way four So bad I just stopped looking I'll never forget They slutting their jersey

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A dude named Cody McIntyre was rocking that motherfucker. Cody had a business. No, that nigga was not hooping to that bitch. I'm like, hell yeah, real zero. He got to at least get some buckets. He's actually a good player now, though.

I'll be watching his games overseas. He actually be hooping. Shout out to C-Mac, man. You could have went online and had somebody... I didn't say it. Don't plagiarize yourself. You could have somebody, you had somebody I didn't say it ICDC Don't plagiarize yourself

You could have somebody You know ICDC I'm in a transfer portal I'm in a transfer portal right now I'm trying to I'm trying to go on Phoenix

You got money now Wasn't you in Phoenix? Wasn't you in Phoenix? I tried to go to University of Phoenix I'm in a transfer portal I ain't going to ICDC You know where I be at'm in the transfer I ain't going to ICDC

No rub it up With the ICDC I ain't doing it Hey Norris You're a fool Damn Norris Porter You're going to

The Vanessa Give me my honorary Get you a degree And then make this Quick Man I'm Got to transfer To IUPUI

Oh man That's for yourself I wanted to ask you Though hold on Before we keep going Though When you won Come on That's your Get back Rich back No You can't call him Winning that first I wanted to ask you though Hold on Before we keep going though When you won that

Come on That's your get back respect Nah You can't call him When did that first Cause he had Like we got a pie with this nigga He has the worst

Championship experience ever Okay Can you just speak For what you can't speak on Like how was that Like What you mean like the after Yeah

I heard yours too That's O.D. That's what I need y'all Yeah Ours was live First of all we won on the first one on sunday when we all know we live on sunday and then the next one we won on a thursday which is story thursdays so it was it was up like didn't sleep until the sun was coming up i didn't get back home till like 7 a.m like it was it was an experience and we probably feel like a after a

week you don't want to party no more. Yeah. We partied for like a week and then we had the parade and then after that, we didn't, nobody wanted to party. We wanted to go on vacation.

Wait a minute, y'all had a parade a week after? Yeah, it's a little bit of space in between. Yeah, because they got to party for that. Their parade was the next day, wasn't it?

No, it was like three days. Oh, yeah, but you know, well, no offense, you know,

Milwaukee is different than Miami. You know, Pat Riley do things top notch. Yeah, 100%. And you know, no offense you know milwaukee is different than miami you know pat riley do things top notch yeah 100 and you know they call it heat nation which people don't know he nation is built up of like little communities like little haiti little havana um miami gardens liberty city so we drove around the whole that was a liberty city culture like we went around the whole that was ud stomping grounds so like like we went around the whole that was UD stomping grounds so like we started

at one place we went through every little high leo we went through every little hood and then we circled all the way back

to the steps you know yeah to the thing that's hard so it was tough that was tough I gotta ask you

this question obviously he was around you saying everything for it how was that feeling when you seen Ray Allen you know what I'm saying step back and knock

that bitch down oh you see how hot that nigga was? I was about to say, how hot that nigga was? Play that. Yeah, that nigga. That was such a crazy idea. That nigga got a 30.

That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30.

That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. That nigga got a 30. If you ain't supporting me like how I was supporting you, you can't be on my team.

Oh, God, bro. He was joking. I said, that nigga is hurt. Ray knocked that bitch down. Hey, y'all ladies ain't support. Hey, listen. If was just, I said, that nigga is hurt. Right, knock that bitch down. Hey, y'all ladies ain't support, hey, listen,

if y'all teammates, if y'all ain't supporting y'all teammates and y'all people like that, they not real. 100%. Because I was genuinely happy, like,

yo, because we know, it looked like we was going to lose, but we never said that. We never said, dang, it's over. We was just like,

just taking one play at a time. That's all we said. So when he hit that shot, I was like, oh, we about to win. That's crazy. The shot in nba history up until that point i was like yeah and the thing is he practiced that though he practiced backpedaling shooting and we used to be like right like why he's like just just for balance that's all he would say just you know just just for balance and that's crazy he didn't take a look if you watch the

film he didn't take one look down at the ground. He backpedaled and caught that mother's feet down and bam. Yo, that LeBron legacy would be damn near different. It'll be totally, it'll be totally different.

It'll be different, different conversations for sure. I think so. Hell yes. LeBron's legacy? I mean, he's still in those for sure. Not how great he is,

but into how people comparing him. It wouldn't even be nothing like that. Because if he lost to the Spurs, it would have been two. Three times in a row would have been crazy. Because that would have been the second time he would have lost. No, because remember, he lost in Cleveland.

So if he would have got that, then that would have been tough. And that would have been the second time he would have lost to Dallas. If he lost to Dallas, then we would have won. Then we would have lost again. It would have been ugly. It would've been like Damn But

People be saying that But like We would've never even been In that point in the game If it wasn't for Brian We was down And then he took over Like

That's what I'm saying To that point And then we saw What happened next game Except Brian Y'all know how I feel About Brian Brian ruined a lot of my

Playoff experiences. But Bron is, he really don't get no better than Bron. I understand. I was trying to understand what y'all was saying. You know how people look at it like Mike got six, Kobe got five. Right. Now I'm able to start doing the reports like, oh, he lost when he had Dwayne Wade and Chris, but he lost twice. Now that would have been a big hit.

Yeah. I don't say Jordan to go just because of the rings. It ain't just because of that. What you thinking? When I watch basketball, I never seen nobody better than Michael Jordan from an impact

perspective. Jordan was the most fundamentally sound player and the most athletic. Brian do stuff that can't nobody practice. You can all day you can never do what you do just because like you can't jump off his one leg shots and stuff like that you can't practice shooting like that he's that's the like the gift that he got like so he has stuff that you can't even practice doing that's why i think he's the greatest but i mean what's the craziest shit you ever you've seen brian do practice bro stuff

he's doing practices stuff that never made it to the court was like it was one practice him and d way got to going at it and it was like we was like oh goodness here they go it was just basically them two basically by playing one-on-one in practice but it was just four other cats out there yeah but it was him like proving a point that he was different because d wade is different too like for y'all that don't know he is he's an alien too but like yeah the way it was like you know hit a couple and it was starting to be like oh it's about to be one of them practices so everybody playing super hard and then he started making shots that nobody can make like he started greg olden was in our practice so let me in our practice. He started like going shooting shots,

like wrong leg, left hand, hook layups. He started like doing like, almost like Michael's joint layups, not looking. And then he would run down and look at Pat Riley. Like, I know, I know it's different. I know D-Wade's our boy, but I know it's different. He would be doing stuff like that. And I'm like.

That's what we need, baby. Yeah, that's why you are. Like's what we need baby Yeah That's why Hard pulls Like That nigga cold Not because I wish that nigga Would've said some shit Like that while I was in there

I would've gassed Them spots Y'all seen He said it He ran I'm like yeah champ He was like He was like I know

He's like I know It's crazy It's different He'd come down Shoot you know From wherever He'd come down Do stuff like that

And he'd just be like Alright bro Let's move on To practice This ain't proven This ain't proven We get it from wherever Steph when he come down do stuff like that and you just be like all right bro let's let's move on to practice this ain't this ain't proving that we get it like he's got to

you got to experience that am I out of pocket for telling that nigga I'm matching point for point you're way I know people

don't understand that he can he's really a scorer he let the media take that pass first time he let y'all run with it and he ran with it but right he gets about pass he's led every team he's ever played on in shot attempts

except one year yeah and he's led the league in like top five and shot attempts every year of his career like he'd be tricking y'all thinking but that's his thing though that's how he played a game though just because i think because he's so versatile and how great of a passer he really is it kind of overshadows like he's the all time leading scorer

he got the most buckets ever bro let me tell y'all how crazy it is you know it's like he's the all time leading scorer but he's never led

the league in assists but people say he's the best passer in the game you know how crazy that is because it's his vision I believe though nah for sure but it's dudes that actually average 10 never led the league in assists, but people say he's the best passer in the game You know how crazy that is because his vision I believe though not for sure but since it's news that actually average tennis Like but I've met Johnson. It's how many is gone Isaiah Thomas no cats like when seasons where they average like 12 assists And Ron and they still say like he's the best passer they ever seen so I'm like bro he was his eyes, bro

I think so. He's not fooling people because he can pass man let me tell you he cares about scoring bro no i believe it bro he can score you saying you can outscore him bucket for bucket it's not too many cats here's the sean jackson shit with that oh bro it ain't too many they had deladova and i was like I was killing And he was like You better keep that shit going then And I was like Nigga it ain't gonna stop And he was like

Well see if you can outscore me I was like Yeah I had 19 What'd you end up with? 19 How much did you end up with? Like 38

I've only seen him get outdueled one time I was living that nigga laughing Yeah I've only seen Brian get outdueled Where like. I was living out a nigga's life here. Yeah, I've only seen Bron get outdueled where they was going at it, and somebody outdueled him. I've only seen it happen when I was there one time. And he got his get back, so it didn't matter. But that was when we played OKC on Christmas.

And he went for like 30-something, and KD went for 30-something. KD might have had one or two points more. But they was out there dueling to the point where it was like, okay, whichever one of them is the leading scorer, that's whose team is going to win. And I've seen many duels like that because when D Rose, we played them. Yes, sir. The only reason we beat Chicago is because D Rose had, I think, like 34 and Bron had like 35.

And when we would go out and play Mello, like, it was like whoever. I was about to say Mello. Them matchups was crazy back then. And then we would play Indiana. It would be not so much Bron because Bron was going to do what he would do. But whoever played better between Paul George and David Granger and D-Wade was going to be who won. Oh, Jesus. And D-Wade used to get active against them.

Boom. I remember. Especially the playoff time. I saw him get like 40 on like no threes. He was like 13 for 25 all field goals. Yes. I was like, shoot. And what's crazy, even though people, I mean, we lost them,

but there was battles, though. Oh, no, it was battles. Indiana used to make us go through with it. It was. That was when they changed that verticality rule, though. Yeah. That's what made Roy Hibbert a max player. No, Roy Hibbert changed the game.

I'm still asleep. Yeah, we had a young PG, too. I'm still asleep. We ended Roy Hibbert The max player Nah Roy Hibbert changed the game I'm still asleep Yeah we had a young PG too I'm still asleep We ended Roy Hibbert career Brian Brian Dominick Yeah y'all And

And Stevenson We came off the bench Our bench game was like Was the difference Because starter If you looked at the starters Like the score It was about even

Talk about a Norris It's crazy that y'all bench Was the bench I had, though. Like, having Shane Battier and Ray Allen come off the bench. Mike Miller's like, these dudes is nice. Yeah, like, I couldn't believe y'all had some of them on the minimum. Like, playing for the Hawks, like, we would have loved to have Ray Allen for that. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, how y'all, you know. But you got to remember remember all of them was like a hundred million dollar dudes though like Mike Miller made crazy bread yeah crazy

Rashad Lewis made crazy so they weren't you know Rashad was a max dude 90 mil but it's like it's like

listen we would've gave y'all probably five six million just to come to the house you would've been a super like you probably wouldn't even been a role player.

You would have probably been our guy. I always want to ask when I airbob me. I wonder how that beef between him and Boston Played Out's friend would go to Miami with Ray Allen. Because I feel like any contender would have wanted Ray Allen at that time period. No, but Ray was trying to win, and we had a need for him. That's a fact. He could have went anywhere and fit, but we had an actual need

because Mike Miller had that back injury and you know we had james jones but james jones was like a specialist shooter you know shout out to champ he was a specialist shooter but we needed him in that second unit and we put the way we play like moving we played so we would like get up and down and so we would like get up and down. And so we had a direct need. And so he was like, I come, come there. The beef with Boston was just like salt on the wound.

That was just like, cause he would have came anyway. Like if he was coming from like Milwaukee or somewhere, he came to Miami, but that beef he had with them, that was just like, I felt him though. Cause it's like,

I don't know if they appreciated him the way they, I can't say that, bro. I ain't gonna lie. I don't know if they appreciated him The way they I can't say that bro I ain't gonna lie I don't know I fuck with Boston I used to wanna play for Boston Cause you play with him I'm speaking from a fan

That's You know You fuck with Ray I do too But I'm saying You was in the gym with him But I feel like Him leaving them

To go to Miami And pulling up on y'all That was crazy From the outside It looked crazy So how my nigga don't feel The rivalry is like i used to want to be on the team so bad bro for real because i just always felt like they

didn't give a fuck about miami like everybody else in the league was kind of like besides like okc and the spurs yeah and dallas chicago was security chicago too yeah but everybody else kind of like all right we ain't gonna beat them like in atlanta we wanted to play them but we i thought we could have beat y'all when we had joe that team when i i wasn't like my second year i'm like we can compete all make the all-star game nah we can't beat them that year hell no we but when i had when it was joe jamal josh al marvin and I was coming off the bench then. They still had Bibb.

I'm like, we can compete with them now. We match up. We can switch one through five. And you coming off the bench too fast for Bibb. Yeah, but I'm like, we can match up with Bronner now. Kurt Heinrich came. They traded Bibb. That's when Bibb went there.

We got Kurt Heinrich. We can match up with him. We can play him now. We probably wasn't going to beat y kirk hamill we can match up with him we can play him now we probably wasn't a b-child but we could match up i didn't realize till after i left we can match up with any team it's just a matter of we would just play different like whatever team was gonna do something we would just adjust our personnel so like yeah when we realized chris bosh because chris had been working on that three ball for a while he just never incorporated when we remember he hurt himself

and came back from injury. That's when we started playing small ball with him at the five. Once we realized we could play like that, we was like, however teams want to play. If a team want to go big, we just CB at the four. Birdman or UD or Joel Anthony will play the five.

Just make it ugly. Teams want to play pretty and go small ball, CB go to the five. Brown to the four. Shane Batty at and play the five. Just make it ugly. Teams want to play pretty and go small ball. CB, go to the five. Brown to the four. Shane Batty, a guard to four. D-Way, Ray,

me or Rio. And then we would just play it like that. So we could play any style. And if you wanted to play iso ball, which nobody really wanted to play

because D-Way was a real iso player. Nobody wanted to play possession ball with us except San Antonio. They was the ultimate possession team. Everybody else else they knew they had to play a little fast because all we had to do was throw the ball to d-way on the wing throw the ball to cb at the you know run that horns action throw the ball that was a nightmare and a half oh man and then

you you're gonna help off somebody and shane batty is gonna knock it down or mike miller they're gonna knock it down so like i realized when i left like, man, we could have played any style. Like, people say, how would y'all compete against other championship teams? I'm like, honestly, we could compete against any team because we could play any style. It's just a matter of us changing our personnel around. I like playing against y'all because I used to hedge like college. I used to split them fucking ball screens so easy. I used to be like, I can't wait to play my NBA.

I know we might not my I know I'm We might not win But I'm gonna have A good ass game I'm gonna get something Out the crowd Stop doing that It took us a long time

To get out of doing that Yeah I'm gonna get Something out the crowd Damn That little nigga out there Was killing Let me get hurt Tony you could be

Cutting the ball boy Ball boy Get hurt Lock it in Get hurt You used to have Some good games Against those dogs Hell yeah boy you used to have some good games against those yeah

cause I used to hedge ball I'm like they the only you stayed splitting the ball I'm like it's college

but then I hated people who sat back cause you had to play in the middie you couldn't shoot threes

cause they would fight over so you had to play in the middie but I shot floaters but they hedged so I'm like let me get downhill

I was opposite I didn't like when teams were heads because it was hard to make the pass out of the heads because I couldn't come off and just score anyway so they would be like

in the drop or like a semi drop CB was the best in the pocket pass so I used to practice it learn how to skip it so it bounced right to his shooting pocket

and then with Shane Battier he gonna pop all the way to the three. So like you, the guy guarding you will stay on your hip. You just stretch,

stretch, stretch, and then... Pass it back. Wide open third. I used to do that with Al Horford. For sure.

I got to ask, man. We see Pat Bev doing it now. You know what I'm saying? You had your time in the NBA. You know what I'm saying? How was that transition going to playing overseas?

Because a lot of people get a misconception like there's a lot of great hoopers everywhere in the world but it's a totally different game especially a lot of people seen with the feeble ball how was that to go back to justin like you said you in the league you learn your role till you get your own cover now you back to playing basketball a little bit the way you want to how was that to go back is a little bit more refreshing that way not for real like people were saying stuff about pat beth they don't understand he's trying to like in his career playing ball the way he grew up playing ball he want to love it and like be himself and when you go overseas that's what you expect they expect you to if you from america you're american guard you go overseas they expect you to kill

listen when i said he was on the same way he had a legend to shine time i said oh yeah it's all about putting buckets up out there that's not what he on that there that's all it was about bro and it's like the game is different so people be saying like it's harder to play FIBA to me it's not it's just a matter of what your skill set is like if you can play if you got ones good ones and like you can shoot a little bit you can play overseas because you're too fast for some of their guards to play one-on-one like nobody one-on-one is gonna stay in front of me in europe it's it's slow like getting there the difference is when you get to the realm it ain't dwight howard back there blocking it so you got a chance to actually do layups you don't know these actually do what i think you're not getting the ball up bro they

brothers the point guards will block your shot let alone the centers so overseas that's why they don't have no three seconds they can just camp in the lane there's some giants out there bro like seven three cats seven four cats out there and you learn also how to like pass on time on target because if you don't pass on time the whole rhythm of the offense that you're running out there it'd be bad because they're not one-on-one players so they depend on you passing to them on time so i became like real precise but i was used to it from playing miami so they was like dang north you can score but you can pass better than what we, I'm like, I just spent seven years passing to like the best players in the world. And if I threw a bad pass, it was like, come out the game. That helped, that made me love basketball again though.

Cause like you love basketball, playing your role, but like sometimes you just wanna be yourself and when I my five years I played in Europe I was able to go back to Cleveland State style like coast to coast no dribble

come down no pass pull up niggas start feeling good and they fucking with it like nah do it again next possession

nah for sure for sure that's fire like you said like the business of basketball a lot of times gets in the way. We talk about some people we know like,

we talk about the Mike Bees, the Joe Carl, we know can score the best of them but the business and basketball can kind of make you, you know what I'm saying, put yourself in the shell but then a lot of people

don't come out of that. So kudos to you, you know what I'm saying, that you're getting your opportunity back to do what you do best and still winning the hoop because a lot of people, shit, you nine,

eight, nine, ten years of doing the same thing, you're like, I ain't even trying to go back to that type shit. Nah, for sure. That's ten years of doing the same thing. You was like, I ain't even trying to go back to that type shit. Nah, for sure. That's why a lot of the guards overseas that are really good, they don't come back to the league. Because they like, bro, I can't go back to sitting on the bench, bro.

No matter how much, even if I'm getting vet minimal. Like, guys like Mike James, Shane Larkin. Most buckets ever over there. You know what I'm saying? Them two, Shane Larkin, Mike James, they getting busy out there. Nunn, Kendrick Nunn, he out there. He just won the championship and was MVP. It's a bunch of guys.

Rondé Hollis Jefferson, he overseas. One of the coldest international players in the world, bro. Can nobody see Rondé. But to come back to the NBA and then be relegated, some dudes ain't willing to do that. And they paying you nice. Once you prove, once you go out there and you prove it here, man, they can pay you a livable wage

where you like eating good and always say it's been the same. No matter where you get it from, it always been the same. That's what's out to them, your old bitch, man. Taxes, banks,

everywhere, huh? Bruh. And you get to live in places where people pay the vacation. Like, the Mafi Coast, I played in the Mafi Coast

out there. Italy, I played in Tel Aviv. I played in Malaga, south ofico's i played in the mafico's out there italy i played in tel aviv i played in malaga south of spain i played in like the capital of montenegro so like fake real vacation spots like damn i just played in puerto rico like so it's like you know people be paying big money to go i'm living out there for the that's why i was just about to ask you the the lifestyle adjustment the food is so good out there bro let me be honest with you

for real that's the best part about it damn no because no preservatives that's the first time I heard it

but the fruit be like real fruit it ain't all that fake sugar and stuff and the food out there is fresh it's dope the food

and then the views out there you know nice views damn I heard that about that the food's good bro i ain't gonna lie i got mixed reviews i had a real italian pasta bro spaghetti

from italy like an italian man made it bro like the chef i was like and then a real pizza not that greasy stuff that we be having a real italian pizza i was like I see why guys Don't wanna come back I see why guys Get married out there And stay out there Cause it's crazy Yeah I guess I'm a B-impossi

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Damn, the Tony's? For sure. You could've looked at me. You would've liked it, though, at least for one year, one or two years. The only fuck you wouldn't like, it's a long season.

I had a chance to go to Barcelona, but I just. Damn for real? Mm-hmm. When I first retired, they wanted me to come out there. I just. They always try to pluck the freshly retired player. They always try to do that. I was like.

Jacob Pullen was out there for a second. Wanted Barcelona? Yeah. I don't know who was out there. I was like, man. Hell no. No. You did enough damage to where you ain't i should have went there i've ever been a cool experience but i'm so like a homebody that's

why i live in indianapolis i had to pay you don't tell me that's why i live in that's why i live in dayton yeah i'm a homebody i quit going back out there but it would take a lot for me to go back out there yeah that's why i find other leagues to play in because 10 months is like That's crazy. Damn. But they be out, some cats be out there. Training camp start in August, bro.

They want you out there in August sometime. No way, bro. No way. So you're going to play through August through May? Like how would I build a podcast? If your team is good,

you June. When I played for Tel Aviv, we won the Israeli championship. I left at the end of August I didn't get home Till June 20 something Bruh

Or June Like the last week of June I was like This is crazy You happy you won the championship Yeah This is crazy Yeah

I heard Tel Aviv Nice though Bruh One of the nicest places in the world To be honest with you It's like Miami New York

And San Francisco All in one Damn I ain't mad to be out there For 10 months like miami new york and san francisco all in one damn i ain't mad to be out there for 10 years they got the beach they got the skyline like new york and they got all the tech like house you know shorter vibes yeah yeah that's for a good time you gotta give me some real chicken out there if I'm in the NBA though to go to another you're gonna get

some millions every year nah I'm just saying like are you really a homebody like that like I'm a homebody the money

the money was cool but my mind wasn't there I was like you don't mind about the money if your mind ain't in it if you can't do the grind right

that's why I stopped going out there as much because it's like basketball is basketball but I'm like 10 months is too long for one

two like I want to be at home now like I done paid my dues I'm a veteran now like I should be able to fly home sleep in my bed sometime

so it's like nah my mind wasn't ready for nothing like that bro and they talk crazy to you sometimes too that's the part no matter who

no matter who you are they are they on that sometimes alright I would've left no matter who no matter who you are they are they on that yes bro I would've left every now and then you're a foreigner bro that's exactly right

they at home I would've left they would've been like this you can't come to Calvary it'd take you to Calvary two days to get out there oh yeah bro

Calvary niggas are not pulling up I thought you were talking about church my niggas ain't got passports she laughing I thought she was talking about church. My niggas ain't got passports. She laughing. I thought she was talking about church.

I said, I done been to Calvary. I done thrashed something in Calvary. You talking about Calvary, What was that, Bishop Greenlee? Bishop Greenlee back.

It's Bishop Greenlee. That's what it is. Bishop Greenlee. Well, I done got them jumped off the ropes in Calvary. That's Bishop Greenleaf Put the name

Put it back in his intro Greenleaf is back man You Jeff Hardy Off the top rope In Calvary It's crazy My father Shout out to the real Calvary

Off the top turn I had a flash That's crazy Bishop Greenleaf The Dudley boys In full effect It's like that leaflet The deadly boys In full effect It's like that out there though I mean

Rich man Hey man Shout out to everybody Overseas getting to it man We appreciate it Before we get up out of here Norris man We appreciate you sliding on us man

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