Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Rajon Rondo tells Jeff Teague about playing for Celtics, winning title with LeBron James

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 63 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Rajon Rondo to discuss playing for Kentucky, winning a championship alongside Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen with the Boston Celtics, winning a another NBA Finals with LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers during the pandemic, and much more! 00:00 Introduction02:00 - Best NBA Draft Class ever05:00 - Rajon Rondo would have left Kentucky09:00 - Declining offer with Louisville10:10 - Rondo's Oak Hill Top 511:15 - Oak Hill vs. Montverde18:00 - Coaching AAU + AAU parents23:20 - NBA Draft story24:45 - Playing on 2008 Boston Celtics championship team29:15 - Working with Doc Rivers, KG, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen31:45 - Rondo + Avery Bradley backcourt33:30 - Playing with Pelicans vs. Portland36:20 - Chicago Bulls playoff misfortunes44:00 - Playing against Derrick Rose in his prime45:30 - Lakers bubble championship vs. Celtics 2008 championship47:30 - Jamal Murray is the truth50:45 - Fan purposely calling Rondo Chris Paul53:30 - Recognition from the NBA greats55:40 - Rondo playing with a torn ACL vs. Jeff Teague's Hawks #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Alright, we back. Another episode of Club 520 Podcast. We on the road with it. 520 and a 502. Special guest, Hall of Fame. To my left, we're going to introduce my man's last, but to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Here out the purlies. How you what, Nasty? Cool and nasty.

What's pop, baby? Out the gate to my right, my dog, young Nacho, young Teague. How you what? Chilling, bro. Hype, bro. Huge fan of our guest, so I'm going to let you do the honors, though. Absolutely, man. Hey, we are privileged to be in the house.

You know what I'm saying? We got a legend, Hall of Famer, one of the best point guards to ever play basketball. If you don't know who we talking about. And listen, I don't give too much credit to UK players. You know what I'm saying?

I don't. They ain't high or what. But I got to show some love, man. Rayjean Rondo, man. Appreciate you pulling up to 520. Actually, let us pull it up to you, man. We appreciate you, big dog. No problem, man.

You're beautiful, bro. Wonderful, man. Wonderful, man. For sure. Like we said, man, obviously, we know you went to UK. But hey, B.Han, he started You're beautiful, bro. Wonderful, man. Wonderful, man. For sure. Like we said, man, obviously, we know you went to UK, but B.H. He started off at the high school.

He loved high school basketball. Before the episode started, he already started with the bullshit. We was going to get straight to it, man. We ain't even going to play with it. Pause. Nah, yeah. He was saying his class is like

damn near top five. We was just trying to pick out the all-stars from Jeff Class 07 to, you know, the all-stars. The all-stars? Or are we talking about top five players? Let's just do this., you know, the all-stars from Jeff Class 07 to, you know. Yeah, the all-stars. The all-stars or are we talking about top five players? Let's just do this. Let's give me your all-star.

Give me the, you feel me? What's that movie, Jackie Moon now? You call the all-four class the flip tropics? With that front court? After that, we'll get spooky in the all-star game, bro. So give me your five. Give me your five. We'll start with the big fella in the middle.

Dwight Howard. Yes, sir. Probably had the best career. Josh Smith. Shout out to Smoke. Yeah, that's our guy. Love. 520 alumni. Kyle Lowry. Still holding it down. Woo.

What you doing? Champion Kyle Lowry. Respect it. LaMarcus Aldridge. Shout out to LA. Okay. That's fine, what you need me to do? And then you at the one. First nine, I'm, I'm put a, yeah, I put myself at the one. Okay, cool. Stuff at the one.

So now we got Derrick Rose. D Rose at the one in the All Star game. We been, we been there before. D Rose. We just gonna name them though. And then you position them. D Rose, the one in the All-Star game. We've been there before. D Rose. We just gonna name them though, and then you position them. D Rose, Blake Griffin. We gonna let DeAndre rock at the five.

Who? Hold on, hold on, dog. I'll let you have the floor. You speak on both names though. Don't give me like a nigga like they just Jordan. Okay, check it. Check DeAndre. Shout out to DJ.

DJ, yeah, you feel me? Texas A&M alum. That nigga's not alone He's only there For a brief stint bro Then we got James Harden At the two

Yeah Okay Strong front Yeah strong backcourt Yeah Then we'll put DJ in there He's still in the league Zone

Zone what Zone Six We're running y'all zone How We got James Eric Gore, and Sniper.

No, no. Oh, he didn't. Yeah. Well. James is a three. Zone. Blank. Hold on.

Who was at the three for you? He got smooth at the three. Smooth at the zone. Smooth my dog. So wait. So who wants smooth? EJ or James Harden? It don't matter. It's going to be a slow-ass game.

This game is going to be nasty. 1980s Instacoppers basketball. Slugfest. Detroit versus Detroit. All right, we can move on. What's the score? Give me a score, though, then we can move on. We're going 89 to 81.

Oh, fuck. Oh, yeah. Y'all got them big slow niggas down there. How many fouls are going to be called in that game? That's really going to determine who wins the game. Man, y'all got... Hella. I don't even know how y'all can keep up

if we keeping it real. Our guys ain't stiff. They can run the floor. Listen, nigga. You going to take the ball off the rim and run? Nigga, come on. That's what you're going to be doing the whole game. No, James don't play that fast.

Nah, it's not. No, we're going to get back on D-Rose, absolutely. But he got to meet a lot of athletic niggas at the rim, which he's done in his career with one or two guys, but we got three on the court at every time. So we're going to challenge him. Who guarding Blake? Blake guarding the cell.

Dwight. I mean, what you mean? All right, freaky D, pause. I just told you we zoning y'all, though. What you calling for? Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Nah, we can move on. DJ Tapper here, bro.

Man, for sure, man. Obviously, we know you went to college, and y'all college is going crazy right now. Yeah. I wanted to bring this up. I didn't know this. I want to see if it was any true. Shout out to Rex Chapman. He brought this up on Twitter. Obviously, you know you went to UK. He was just like, there was a time period when you was in the UK where you thought you might have transferred.

Is that true? Man, if the Porter was alive then, I would have been out. Yeah, for sure. I was out of there. Damn. Yeah, for sure. So I had a lot of, you know, a lot of people in my life. Great mentor, shout out to Doug Bibby, Bill Duffy, Rex Chapman at that time. Just kind of told me, you know, stay down, keep my head down,

cream rice to the top and continue to work. For sure. Like you were talking about with the kids on the transfer portal now, how was that to see college basketball being so crazy? Especially when y'all was in programs that was historic and y'all had to wait y'all turn to get to it. I mean, we ain't historic, but we appreciate it. I mean, listen, y'all got some Hall of Famers at your school, so y'all are historic. Gotta show respect. We got to, we got two we got two you right how many chips

they got oh shit so here we go so you used the word historic but you can't really that nigga been around

1700 I knew he was one of them wasn't a university star I did we're still using the word historic

I was gonna correct you I knew you were historic no I said it on purpose I started to be okay okay shout out to Wake Wake historic man I was going to correct you. I knew you were going to start. No, I said it on purpose. I started to be. Okay, okay. No beef, you know.

That's crazy. Shout out to Wake. Wake. Historic, man. Did Wake make a Final Four? I would have been in the fourth. You'd have been in the fourth? For sure. Wake made a Final Four, didn't he?

Nah. I don't think so. Wait, when Tim Duncan? Yeah, I was supposed to. I think Tim played in the Final Four. I don't know if Tim Duncan made a Final Four. I don't think so. We'll do our research.

Oh, man. That's the best. Yeah, we had Tim Duncan in. CP ain't make no final four. We lost in the first round. Ever. UK got some history. They do got some history, man.

They got some killers. How you feeling about the coach hire, man? Man, I love it. You know, it's a familiar face. You know, proven champion. And a guy that's been at work for a while. He's been at BYU. I think a lot of people understand the style of play.

Up tempo. Shoot the three. So right now He's been at BYU. I think a lot of people understand the style of play. Up tempo. Shoot the three. So right now, it's about getting the players. But he don't have the bread to do it. So that should be a problem. That's crazy

what they're getting right now. Listen, I was going to ask. I know how you are with the NIL. You said you would've been a reporter. I know that Kentucky NIL bag

would've been crazy for you. Come on, man. I mean, you never know. I mean, like I said, we were at McDonald's. We had three McDonald's that year in my class I came. I mean, you never know. I mean, like I said, we were at McDonald's. We had three McDonald's

that year in my class I came in, but, you know, I was going for the chip. I mean, it was the win. Obviously,

nowadays it's different and I understand that. How much money do you think you would have got, though? Me, at the time,

when I first, when I got to O'Kill, I was ranked like 129 or something. Yeah. Once I got on the map, played against Elite Talent, destroyed it, I got to McDonald's. I was ranked like 129 or something. Yeah. Once I got on the map, played against elite talent, destroyed it, I got to McDonald's.

Yeah. So it just depends. I committed late. You would have got a bad. I didn't take no visits. So it just depends. I could have got a couple milli, I would say. But I might not went to Kentucky.

Nah, fam. You got to think, Lil Leland, he just got 350 shots of Leland. It's like, damn, I got that, I got that the hard way. I had to go see the boosters.

You know what I mean? I had to shake some hands. Nah, but I'm like, damn, if I would've came out of high school, I probably would've, I wouldn't have got a million,

but I probably would've got like 500K. But like, my little brother going to UK, when he came out, he probably would've got it. He was the number one in the two. They all touching like my little brother going to UK, when he came out, he probably got it. Yeah. He was the number one in the two?

They all touching the middle. If you go to UK, top 25 in your class. That's crazy. Was Joe your two guard? Joe? Yeah. They were Mel Bradley.

Oh, but the starter though was Patrick Sparks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, for real? Okay. I remember he had a flame throw. Bad motherfucker, yeah.

Cold, hard worker. Nah, y'all Y'all had a crazy backcourt You talking about that But they had us in the chokehold man Damn Couldn't do nothing Hold on

Slow the ball down Hold on Throw it in the post Damn So what Joe was running off screens and shit He was pinning down But we had to walk that thing up the court man It wasn't no

Couldn't have fun It wasn't no up tempo It wasn't no Play to strength They showed me, hit me with that. That's why I went to the portal. Told me a dream.

I was like, what? I got to slow down? Oh, man, what am I doing? Yeah, you from Louisville, right?

Yeah. So how did you get to Lexington from Louisville? So that's the million dollar question, especially around the city and people think, you know, Patino offered me my junior

before I went to Oak Hill and I actually, he brought my high school coach, Doug Bibby in, my mom, we sat us down and offered me a scholarship, but at the time,

I wanted to weigh my options. So I said, you know, I kind of declined for the moment. Badsy signed a contract. People thought Badsy took my deal and I was like, no,

I mean, it's all fair game. I went to Oak Hill, went crazy. And then at Oak Hill, I was gone for so long. It was an eight-hour drive. I'd never been away from home. No cell phones. I mean, it was bad.

And it was military. It was boys on one side. You couldn't cross the gun line, boss, on the other side with a girl. So go to church every Sunday. I tried to sleep in a couple times. They're coming and knocking on your door in the dorm. Get your ass up. Let's go. Go to school. So. I try to sleep in a couple times. They're coming and knocking on your door in the dorm. Get your ass up.

Let's go. Go to school. So that was different for me. So I wanted to go back home, be close to my family. So I didn't decide to go to Louisville. I called my boy, Larry O'Bannon, asked him how it was. He's from here. He was playing at Louisville.

He gave me his great advice. I went down the street. Speaking of Oak Hill, I've been seeing BJ. He's doing a little documentary. Shout out to Brandon Jennings. Who your Oak Hill top five? That's a tough one man Real tough Y'all got a history of killers

What you want to talk about High school? The best The greatest of all time What? Let's drink Oak Hill the greatest Oak Hill the greatest of all time

High school class Or High school period Shout out to Shout out to Freaky Steve Nah He got y'all Steve Smith Yeah the GOAT The GOAT yeah for sure High school period Shout out to Shout out to Freaky Steve Nah he got

Steve Smith Yeah the GOAT The GOAT yeah for sure Greatest high school coach ever I would go But y'all Chico Bro that ain't fair What's the

What's the technically We wasn't getting paid Y'all wasn't getting paid We had the J's though He was a Calipari like He was a Calipari like he was a Calipari he was though Steve had that mouthpiece

to get players there type shit like I feel like I don't think it's no other school like that it started from Rod yeah but

maybe Hargrave but he had your heart Verda beat your ass Hold on when I was there we was 44 and 0 went to Spain

went to Cali Molly Day Nick Young all them yeah of course Josh Smith Brian Johnson, DJ. I speak high of you, though.

They shine right. What's up? Ben Simmons, Joel Embiid, and D'Angelo Russell. No smoke with us. We done tore their ass up. Hell nah.

Shout out to D-Lo. Hell nah. Are you talking about all time? I'm talking about your team. Your team was fire. You talking about

our whole team? Yeah, your team was raw. We would have mopped anybody in the country all time, I'm talking about your team. Your team was fire. You talking about my 0-4 team? Yeah, your team was raw. We would have mopped anybody in the country all time, any class. No, never. Brian Johnson, 6'10", at the center. Cold, on my life, cold. Deshaun Wright, a goon, 6'9", with the Syracuse. Josh Smith at the three.

I stand down. That's my guy. Listen, listen. He put him at the three again. He at the three again. Yes. But let me verify this one. The high school court is a lot smaller. Listen, but listen. He put him at the third gear. He at the third gear. Yes. But let me verify this one. The Hatchers court is a lot smaller.

This is our press. Josh Smith in the front. They shine right 6-9. KC Rivers. Front court is silly. KC Rivers hit 15 threes in the game. Yeah, I played against KC. Clemson, shout out to KC.

And then me at the point, man. I remember your 55-point game at Oak Hill. I'm tapped in. That was overseas on your boy Sergio Rodriguez. I'm tapped in. Shout out to Sergio. That's what put me on the map. point, man. I remember your 55-point game at Oak Hill. I'm tapped in. That was overseas on your boy Sergio Rodriguez. I'm tapped in. Shout out to Sergio. That's what put me on the map. Yeah, yeah.

Sergio was playing after tequila that night. Listen. Sergio was drunk. Man, he had to be. Shit, well, I mixed that. 55, I think. 55 to 17, too.

I remember that. The third point. The third point. Josh Smith got in foul trouble. That was history. Nah, I definitely, I remember that. I remember watching that on,

I forgot the old school, high school tape I used to watch on y'all. But, Mount Verde with, like I said, D'Angelo Russell, Ben Simmons,

and Joel. Hold on, but you got, I said five though. I named five players, bro. You named three. Them three in high school? Yeah, they ridiculous.

Ben Simmons was retarded. You put shooters around Ben Simmons 6'10 are you saying they're a team that's one through five you can't just say

put shooters around if they didn't have shooters on the team they did they went undefeated we went undefeated we went over we went over

out of the country I don't know if they went out of the country we played every team we went to New York we went all that we went everywhere Barcelona

they travel too my brother travels I know they travel but I'm saying in that particular year We played every team. We went to New York. Jerusalem. We went everywhere. Barcelona. They travel too. My brother travels. I know they travel, but I'm saying, in that particular year, we went 44-0, man. The greatest high school team of all. Listen.

Not even a question. For sure. We got no Googles on that one. Line up against anybody. We can move on, bro. We can move on. We can move on. And we had dogs.

That's capital. You ain't naming. You didn't name no dogs. Niggas probably never even brought up. You ain't name no dogs name no dogs niggas probably didn't even bring up your 55 point game when you do these I'm tapping

but I'm telling you that is a fire ass squad Joel Embiid at your five he's better than any five that ever came through O'Kill I wouldn't

I'm not gonna argue that but after that not even close yeah but again he's gotta go against Brian Johnson then Josh Smith on his ass

on the backside versus Deshaun Wright we don't know how we're going to play first of all how do y'all get the ball up to court let's talk about that

D-Lo yeah D-Lo it's D-Lo D-Lo no I'm saying y'all saying like D-Lo that's my first

that's my dog that's a little that's a little but I mean y'all just saying like D-Lo okay it's not me no no no that's what I'm telling y'all just said like, D-Lo, okay. He ain't one that run no smoke. Not me.

No, no, no. That's what I'm telling y'all. We got Deshaun Wright, that's 6'9", on top of the ball, bro. Josh Smith, that's the other guy that you got to make a pass over or try to dribble through.

And these niggas ain't no stiff. Again, in the court, it's a high school court. We ain't talking about no league court where there's space and opportunity. 6'9", 6'10",

6'9", in the front court, y'all got Embiid. That's all you said. Ben Simmons? He's 6'7"? 10! Nah, Ben Simmons is like 6'9", 6'10", 6'9", in the front court, y'all got Embiid. That's all you said. Ben Simmons? He's 6'7"? 10. Nah, Ben Simmons is like 6'9", 6'10".

Okay. Again, dogs on my team. He just hurt right now, bro. He just hurt, bro. He used to be a dog, bro. You're welcome, Ben. I ain't saying he wasn't. I'm just saying I know what we got.

We'll come back to the high school. I'm here. All right, cool. I'm here. Yes, sir. Obviously, we don't like this shit. I love it. I love it.

It's high school knowledge. Yeah, I love it. 55, you know about that, huh? Yeah. You my nigga, bro. I'm fucking with you. Appreciate it, bro. So, obviously, we know you went crazy in college.

Then, obviously, how was your draft process? I got, I got, I was on a leash in college, man. For you. Nah, he used to wear the T-shirt. Big T-shirt. I was 10 years old. Nah, he used to wear the T-shirt. Big T-shirt. I was 10 years old. Delonte inspired me to wear the T-shirt. Delonte West used to wear one at St. Joe's.

He used to wear one at Kentucky. I'm like, oh, that shit hard. And then I used to wear the Mellow socks. I was like, oh, yeah. But before we move to the Almond Control DJ. I go crazy. Why'd you stay three years then? Two.

Two, I mean. I had to. I couldn't go. First of all, at that time, my college career or experience was crazy because I told, we talked about it earlier,

I had 14 guys go out straight out of the league, straight to the league from high school. So I feel like I'm behind. So I'm in school and I'm getting to it. I ain't going,

I ain't partying. I ain't going out. I ain't doing a whole bunch of nothing. I'm in the gym. Obviously, it was right across the street. So that was my mindset. So I'm already behind.

So I don't have time to do the other bullshit. That's my brother, Josh Smith. We going to Atlanta. He give me bread. You know what I mean? Go to the strip club. I'm like, damn, I'm behind.

It's a different type of lifestyle. So for me, I was right to it. So I got to where I wanted to be. I wasn't allowed to play my game and play it with pace and space. But at the end of the day, I got to where I wanted to be just I didn't, I wasn't allowed to play my game and play it with pace and space. But at the end of the day, I got to where I wanted to be just because I stayed down and continued to work.

So I still had to stay two years. And then after the, after we lost, I think we lost to UConn my second year in the 16, maybe even been 32. I got right out of there. Tubby's like,

let me talk to you. I'm like, let me talk to you. Appreciate it. I'm out of here. Let me go's like, let me talk to you. I'm like, let me talk to you. Appreciate it. I'm out of here. Let me go. So, you know, I went. Now, that got to be a different experience

to have, like, one of your best friends to be in the NBA at that age. Because I was like, I grew up with a guy named Courtney Lee. So to see Lee, yeah, to see Lee having a Range Rover and all this shit when I was in college, I'm like, ah, hell nah.

I got to make it to the league. Then Eric, he from the same area I'm from and George Hill is too. Right. And to see them come back to the city was like, nah, I can't be out here.

Everybody talking about hoops. Yeah. I'm not in the league. And then you got Greg and Mike, obviously, they was hot picks, whatever, but I'm like,

nah, I got to do something. So I know how you feel. Right, you got to get to it. Yeah. When you exposed to it, you know, it gave me motivation. That's why I come back to the city and do what I do.

You know what I mean? It's not to brag about what I got. It's like, man, look, if I did it, niggas. It's possible. That's all I do. You just get to it. Nah, for sure, bro. For sure.

Especially with both of y'all, giving back to y'all communities. Obviously, with you coaching the Pike, and then obviously what you do with y'all. Hey, you seem like you're inspiring. Like, I'm visible. I can show y'all. I'm from here just like you. You can do this too. That means a lot to our communities.

Even though you see what like Cam Newton, he went through that screw new with the little stuff with the kids and the adults acting stupid. But to have that type of influence in the city to get back and be like, hey, I can do this. I think it's something that's very important.

I commend both of y'all for doing that shit because that's real. And y'all get more of a headache than you get from it. But it's still, it shows. It's a blessing. I'm very blessed. So it's like, you know, it is at times, but you know, we're built for this. You know what I mean? So we're it. It's a blessing. I'm very blessed. So it's like, it is at times,

but we're built for this. You know what I mean? So we're in this position for a reason. Well, this team good, though. It's un-nice. You know what he's talking about. And they got a big country

in the paint. I'm like, hey, bro. Get his birth certificate, man. They was beating up on my little homies, man. Let me find out, though. No, no, no. We legit all across the board.

We ain't got to do none of that. We just going to work. We. We legit all across the board. We ain't got to do none of that. We just going to work. We ain't got to cheat the game. We're going to work the game. Respect it. You said no Joel Embiid birth certificates. They tell me my son 13, 14. I'm like, why do I need to hold my son back?

If he ain't there, he ain't there. Yeah, that's real. He play multiple sports. He ain't got to make it. He got to know how to count his money. That's it. He ain't got to know how to, you know what I mean? He ain't got no pressure on him. If he want to play it, let's real. Man, he play multiple sports. Like, he ain't got to make it. He got to know how to count his money. That's it. He ain't got to know how to, you know what I mean? He ain't got no pressure on him.

If he want to play it, let's do it. If not, whatever you want to do with support. But he nice, though. He nice. We was talking about it, though. He work, though. The worst part of that shit being the parents. Like, fucking the kids up.

That's the whole. Jamal Croppy did it on the head about two months ago. Facts. It's the parents, man. But, you know, I've had a lot of kids I had to let go. You know what I mean?

And great kids, it's just, you know, damn, they're more likely it's the fathers that think their kid is where they need to be versus where they should be versus just hold them accountable.

You know what I mean? That's my main thing. That's what we preach at my program is we gonna check your ass. But the thing about it, what I love about it is that we watch every game.

So it's like, when your parents or the parents come it what I love about it is that we watch every game so it's like when your parents or the parents come to us like my nigga I done watched more tape on your son than you watched on him and I'm over here trying to put my time

and effort into him and you're upset about blah blah X, Y, and Z you bring him to my team for a reason you know what I mean as humble as I can say it it's like my nigga

I'm one on one so understand what I'm giving to him it ain't no I don't get nothing out of this. I'm not an AAU coach that's trying to piggyback the kid for the next six years to get some bread out of him. My nigga, this is all love. Right, facts. You different, though.

You watch AAU film. Yeah. At least the kid daddy's in their life. He doing a bunch of single mamas. We lost at two. We play at court eight. Get your mama some money. Get that 20. I ain't giving none of y'all no money. Y'all playing till y'all 20. I see y' play at court eight at five. Get your mama some money, get that 20.

I ain't giving none of y'all no money. So y'all play until y'all 20, I see y'all at court eight. Yes, man. I just hope one day they realize, like I said,

ain't none of that. As soon as two o'clock game over, we got fruit for the kids. We in the sprinter, we watch a film for like 30 minutes because again, that titches span

and we're going to go back to the next game and lock in and focus and try not to make those same mistakes. Nah, you different, bro. That's real. Everybody hear that, they need to come mistakes. Nah, you different, bro. That's real. Can everybody hear that?

They need to come play for you, bro. Because that's different. That's real life. Rondo Elite. Don't play. Don't play AU for me. Play high school for me. Don't play AU.

I'm running like a pro. I try to run like a pro program. Nah, that's dope. That's dope. Whatever we went through, it's like I try to get in. That's fire. We're going to get there a day early. We're going to have a shoot around.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? When you said that, I'm like, practice. I hate it. Like, man, you got a gym for me up in that? Yeah. That's fire. We're going to get there a day early. We're going to have a shoot around. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? When you said that, I'm like, practice. I hit it. Like, man, let me, you got a gym for me up now? Yeah. Get some work in, bro. I was like, how about the practice?

When I play at AU, we never practice. I have one practice. That's when we met everybody. Right. That's it. I swear. That's how it is, yeah. Damn, speech.

That's where everybody came together. We met at the place. But that's the thing we were talking about. I was like, nowadays, kids also hop. Yeah. Just like how college is loud now, but even probably before the NIL came a deal with the transfer portal.

But it's like kids hop versus like, if you want to play for a program, play for that program and learn from that program. Like, it's not about these kids nowadays. It's like, oh, let me get a highlight tape for this program. Let me get a highlight tape for this one. Let me get the most clicks.

It's like, nigga, you ain't developing. Nope. Like, it's about development. Y' like, nigga, you ain't developing. Nope. Like, it's about development. Y'all don't want to worry about being number one team ranking. Like, how good is your son? And I see a lot of, I had a real conversation with the kids maybe about a month ago on my team. I was like, man, a lot of you niggas ain't got no better than last year. So it's like, I'm going to keep it a buck with you because I can bring, I can pull out film from last year because I've been doing this for three years now.

And my year one team, trash. That's right, dude. That's trash. Boy, we got picked on, bullied. I mean, like I said, we got hit in the mouth a couple times,

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I got a teenage daughter. Yeah. She just got her license plate yesterday, so she on the road, man. So I'm, you know, shit like that going on. I'm in school now. I'm about to finish my degree,

hopefully next spring. Turned out. 2025. And then I'm ready to go into that level. But like I'm in school now. I'm about to finish my degree hopefully next spring. Turned out. 2025. And then I'm ready to go into that level. But like I said, right now, obviously, kid focus, getting my degree,

continuing to challenge myself, learning more and more daily things. And actually, I appreciate being in college now than I did, obviously, when I was just locked in trying to get to the league. Yeah.

What does your son remind you of, though, if you had to pinpoint his game right now? Me. Facts. Me, yes. Because i ain't got to check him out i used to be on my scout i ain't tapped in with nasty yet you know when somebody got the eye yeah he making passes i'm like oh he got the eye yeah he got yeah he got

that i'm on his ass bro but he's uh he's just he's special and uh he wants it you know what i mean earlier today he got his ass up this morning, went down and got on a gun. Seven in the morning. Like I said, I'm proud, I'm thankful to my kids are extremely disciplined. My daughter got up

at five o'clock this morning, went to individuals this morning. I mean, my son got up at around 7 a.m., came downstairs, got some shots up. It's like,

you know what I mean? What they've instilled in them is like, it's a beautiful thing and it's like, I don't take that for granted. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, that discipline definitely need that. But it's like, I don't take that for granted. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, this one definitely need that. Yeah. But like we said, man, went crazy. Now it's draft time. How was your draft process? Obviously, you know what I'm saying? You was trying to get free from Kentucky. But Danny Ainge saw you go crazy overseas.

Yeah. So I had to, actually, I had two workouts with Boston. But I was in the back of the board. You know what I mean? Like, I was trying to line everybody up. Okay, who's in front of me? Okay, let me line him up. Where he going?

Oh, he going to Philly? Put me on a plane. So that was my mindset. I always wanted to go kill and see where I was at, play against the best, and make them make a decision based on what I was doing versus, like, what y'all seen in Kentucky ain't who I am. Like, let me show you this dog.

Let me show you this motherfucker that's going to play 100 every possession. Like, so that's what I'll show Boston. And they moved up and got me the you this dog. Let me show you this motherfucker that's going to play 100 every possession. So that's what I showed Boston. And they moved up and got me the 21st pitch. 21st pitch pick, which felt like three hours I was sitting there.

I said, damn, am I ever going to get picked? Then the crazy thing is the 20th pick was Ronaldo Balkman. So I heard that real, I was like, what? Oh, shit. This nigga there.

Same shit happened to me. Nigga Philly called me the day before and told me they going to pick me at 17. And then they said, Drew, what? Drew Holiday? Who is that? Like, no disrespect, Drew. Actually, that's my guy. But I didn't know him at the time.

I'm like, Drew Holiday? He a freshman at UCLA. What he average? Look it up. Right, right. What he average? Five, six. What's this shit?

Drew, Hall of Famer or whatever. That's all the potential. Yeah. They made the right choice. Good choice. But you would end up being on part of one of the craziest, most successful franchise, one of the craziest teams ever. Yeah.

And y'all all was called all Hall of Famers. How was that experience just being in Boston, being with Dodd, being with the team? Like, obviously, you earned your stripes early and they trusted you.

How was that process? Man, it was hard. I mean, it was tough. Again, people don't know, like, my rookie year, I wanted to get traded. Yeah. I was calling my agent,

calling my high school coach, man, get me the fuck out of here. Like, this ain't it. I felt like I was doing what I had to do in practice shout out to Bassie how about that say something about that

it was you know that's my dog like I said they know we was competing like I said at that time I felt like I was

getting the best of them so I wanted to play and we lost 18 straight that year so I'm like god damn like you know shake something up

do something different he never really did like I said doc told me some things that didn't you know come to light and I was like damn God damn, like, you know, shake something up, do something different. He never really did. Like I said, doc told me some things that didn't, you know, come to light. And I was like, damn, like, get me out of here. So I stayed down. Again, cream rice at the top. I kept working.

That summer, I'm at the crib at my mom's house, and I see my name on the TV. It's like seven names on that bitch. We're going to Minnesota. I'm like, whoo, yes, get me out of here. But I'm like, damn, Minnesota? But whatever. Don't worry about it. Now I get to play, right? So I, like, damn, Minnesota? But whatever. Don't worry about it. Now I get to play, right.

So I see it, whatever. They go by, Danny Ainge calls me like, you ain't going nowhere. Okay, cool, whatever. Come to find out KG said what he said. Let me lock in and stay home at the crib at Boston at the time. So the following year, like I said, we lost 18 the first year. Next year, we obviously win the championship. So

that transition itself was a blessing in disguise because again i'm fighting to get out but the lord had a better plan for me obviously just lay down go through adversity handle this shit and then now i prepared you for the next year which was the dollar pressure on between me and perk you know they had two guys that's not proven um you know no name guys they can't do this they can't do that playing with three hall of famers So for me It was just my mindset You know The people I had around me Like you know

Have a strong mindset To think like I am who I am I had to prove it But again It had to show through work And I was in that bitch Every day

In the weight room I learned to work In the weight room From Kevin He worked every day And I'm like Nigga you always This motherfucker

But again To play longevity To get through that season Without hitting the wall Or to get through that season without hitting a wall or to get through you know playing through injuries you have to continue

to have your body maintain your body have a strong core from jump upper and lower extremities so for me to learn to distance from them guys I would come in the gym

at night thinking I'm doing something by myself upstairs it's Paul Pierce on the treadmill reality show up game days

at three o'clock getting shots up at four you know what I mean so it was like I got a mix of all that and I'm taking everything give me that on the treadmill. Ray Allen show up game days at 3 o'clock getting shots up at 4. You know what I mean? So it was like, I got a mix of all that and I'm taking everything. Give me that. Let me get that.

I'm a sponge. And I'm adding it to what I love to do. Now I'm getting my pregame routine. Now I'm figuring out what I like to eat because at first

I was coming to the league, I was eating Big Macs for games. I'm going across the street eating, you know, number two, number one at McDonald's, fries, thinking I can do it all.

But I was like, nah, young fella, you got to slow down. Teague, what you was on? I went to the mall. What's that, that bourbon chicken? That bourbon chicken.

Every city, bourbon chicken, me. I was on the budget too. I was going crazy on that bourbon chicken. Him and that budget is crazy. That is crazy.

I was broke, bro. I was broke, bro. You got to manage. Nah, for sure. That's the problem now. A lot of us, maybe not now because of the money they're getting. I mean broke, bro. Gotta manage. Nah, for sure. That's the problem now. A lot of us, maybe not now because of the money they're getting.

I mean, when I first came to the league, them class, they were teachers, man. It was 85% of us going broke after six years. That's crazy. So I was like,

damn, I cannot be a statistic. That's real. I think they're doing a better job of like being, acknowledging financial literacy now. In the bag. In the bag.

Oh, that bag. I was talking about you. I think, I remember I signed, I seen somebody sign for four-year 40 and we thought that was crazy.

I think it was Chauncey because I'm back, I wanted my deal like, I think Tony Parker was getting like 11 or 12 at the time. I was like, man, give me 11, I'm cool.

So I signed 555. I know, I was about to say that. I was like, man, this is like, you know what I mean? Like where I'm from, I was like, he got 55. Damn, he's rich as hell. I know, I was about to say that. I was like, man, this is like, you know what I mean? Like, where I'm from, it's the biggest. I remember when you got it, I was like, he got 55. Damn, he's rich as hell. I remember when D-Rose got 80.

I couldn't believe it. That's what I'm saying. So, yeah, that was. 80 is like. That's the best. That was right. Yeah, he just went. He averaged three points.

He was like, damn. For seven? When I see my, I love Peyton Pritchard, but I already got four years, 32 off the bench. I'm like, damn, that was like,

I got, that was starting playing my hardest. I was like, damn. That was an all-star team. All-star, that's what I said.

These are all-star like numbers you're getting. You're all-star, this is what you're getting. I'm like, man, it's a blessing for them though. For sure.

Yeah, for sure. But for you to be the PG to run a team, like, how was that to deal with all the personalities? Because they was all successful in their own right. It was fun, man. It was fun. to be the PG to run a team, how was that to deal with all the personalities?

Because they was all successful in their own right. It was fun, man. It was fun. Child of KG, man. He helped me a lot. Like I said, he held me accountable

from when I was doing the right thing or when I wasn't. So me and Pete, tight as ever now. You know what I mean? We clashed a lot. Like I said,

he was a captain. And for me, being able to run it through Doc, learn from Doc, they brought in Sam Cassell, which helped me a lot. Armond Hill. I had great guys around me to help me manage the guys, learn how to manipulate the game,

make sure everybody's cool. But Kevin was the one that sacrificed the most. That's why I say shout out to Kevin, because P obviously still wanted his shots. Ray wanted his shots. But Kevin, when he wanted that motherfucker, he'd be like, hey, bring that motherfucker down. And then it was time. But for the most part, he was a willing pick setter. You understood his shots. Ray wanted his shots. But Kevin, when he wanted that motherfucker, he'd be like, hey, bring that motherfucker down.

And then there was, you know, it was time. But for the most part, he was a willing pick setter. You know what I mean? He understood his role. He was a star in his role, which he was a superstar,

but it's, you know, people don't understand, like, he was a star in his role. He was going to pick up 94 feet with me. He was going to talk the most on defense. He was going to lay a motherfucker down

if he needed to, elbow wise. Out the gate. He was going to talk shit, get the team going. So, his mindset, he didn't talk to nobody before games.

That nigga was locked in every time. I remember one time, my rookie year, we in Rome. My second year, we in Rome, and he's going through, we in the layup line. Man, nigga bumped the shit out of me one time. I'm like, what the fuck? Didn't look at me, didn't break a sweat, and kept it locked in. I'm like, this nigga is for real. But it was his mindset before the game.

It was him against everybody. And not necessarily bumping me on purpose. I'm saying his mindset, he did his ritual every game. He never shot before the games. He never came out at 4 o'clock

or 60 minutes on the clock. His shoot, when he shot, he would grab one or two rookies and make their ass shoot. Every time he'd rebound, we'd be out as a team 20 minutes on the clock.

He'd get to his four spots every time, every day. In practice, he would do the same thing every day after practice. So I was like, okay, the rebound, we out as a team 20 minutes on the clock. He'd get to his four spots every time, every day. In practice, he's going to do the same thing every day after practice. So I was like, okay, getting him. I think him and Brian was the most disciplined players I've ever played with. Daily. Daily, yeah. Why you bark at me in the game, bro?

Who, me? No, KG. Oh, man, that's him, man. Why didn't he get on all fours and bark at me, bro? Hold on, pause. Pause. I was like, what are you on, bro? We got him pause. Pause. I was like, what he on, bro? We got him on the clip.

Hey, man, please find the clip, man. It was crazy. I mean, that's what I loved about him. Like, that motherfucker, you would love to go to war with him. I think people compare him to something kind of like a Joaquin Noah. You hate to play against a motherfucker, but when you get him on the team, it's like he's your favorite teammate of all time. That's what my little brother has to do.

But I had a question. I was going to, well, I want to talk basketball for real. Like, we had a clip where me and Jordan Crawford was talking about Avery Bradley. And I remember y'all two

was starting the backcourt at one point. You two niggas playing defense was the most wild shit. I used to be like, hey man. Look,

that little young nigga, that's my little bro, AB, man. That nigga inspired me, bro. Because when he got there It's like I didn't have to be that guy That picked up 94 anymore

So I was like You know I was like Whew shit good looks Young fella And the way he did it In practice Man the nigga was intimidating He was dominating like

And he would Every time he get a nigga He be like He's on my list though I got him Get Nash I got him Adam

I got him I'm like When I'm in the game Watching niggas Do not want to put That bitch on the ground In front of him Like niggas Throwing that motherfucker Rock screen Anything on the ground in front of him. Like, niggas

throwing that motherfucker rock screen, anything. Like, man, I don't give a fuck who get this ball. It ain't going to be me getting embarrassed

because as a PG, you can't get ripped 94 feet from the basket. I mean, at half court, that's one of the most embarrassing.

I mean, that's worse than getting or equivalent to getting dunked on. Like, you're getting picked at the top. Especially in the league, man.

What? I'm real. They was guarding us. We was in the playoffs against them. And he was like, let's get these n the league, man. What? I'm real. They was guarding us. We was in the playoffs against them. And he was like, let's get these niggas, man. I looked at myself. Damn.

I put up a joke. You know what the fuck? That's what I love. You got four pairs on you. That's what I love. That's how, yeah. That's exactly what it was. That's the mindset, yo.

Like I said, he was always with it. That's why another, one of my favorite backcourt mates was Drew Holiday, man. We played a series against Portland. That nigga was like, man, it was either Portland or it was Houston. And I was like, you know me,

let's get Houston. He's like, nigga, let's get Portland. I'm like, nigga, whoever. And it was that mindset having a running mate with you, beside you like that. It's like, man, I'm ready to go to war anytime, any time of the day.

Them two defenders right there. And I'm cool with switching with them. I'm okay. So if I got a guy like that, it's like, man, I'm ready to go to war anytime, any time of the day. Them two defenders right there. And I'm cool with switching with them. I'm okay. So if I got a guy like a D-Rose, if I got a Chase to Steph, I'm not comfortable switching with everybody. But an Avery Bradley, a Drew Holiday, I'm like, okay, cool.

They on the same thing. I'm going to strap this nigga down. Hey, we're going to jump around, but we got to talk about that Pelican scene, which I did see at Trailblazers team. I feel like that's one of the few teams, and you've been a catalyst for a lot of great

playoff runs that was his game plan yeah I seen him I was watching the guy I said he made this game plan he's coaching this

I promise shout out to Gentry man you coached that I love man I shout out to Gentry he coached that I don't care what else he allowed me

I think you know I think you know people I'm thankful for people that coached that allowed me to coach when I play you know man because like I People I'm thankful for people That coached That allowed me to coach When I played

You know what I mean Because like I said I had to earn their respect Because again That year in particular Man I forget We had DeMarcus Cousins

On that team Oh we didn't forget So my thing When he tore his ACL Because before that I wasn't in rotation like that Because there wasn't Enough basketball

It was Drew AD Cous I really didn't fit in Because I needed a ball too So once C Cuz went down, he was starting to master the game too, man. That's what I was saying.

I was the vet at the time. It wasn't really an ego thing. It was like, man, if I could see my young boys, which was Cuz and AD, one of my favorite teammates, Drew, go crazy. I was trying to teach Cuz

how to manipulate the game because at first, Cuz and AD were both trying to score 50. I'm like, Cuz, let AD get to 50. You get 20, 20, and 10. And now we all Can still eat Yes sir

And at that time If you look it up I think cuz was starting To average a couple Triple doubles at the time He was He was going crazy Got hurt

Against Golden State Achilles shit Happened whatever I don't know who Might have been going to say Probably was Achilles And then they inserted me And I was like

Alright Let's get to it Okay I got 80 as a weapon I got I had Nico right, let's get to it. Okay, I got 80 as a weapon. I got, I had Nico. Not Nico. What's my man? Mergers. Okay, big.

He was my shooter. And I had Drew. I had a, I mean, I had some weapons. So, I mean, I had, I felt like I had, if I was able to have a team where I had weapons, I feel like I can beat you four times before you beat me four times. That was always how I played and thought the game. Yeah.

I ain't even saying that because you're here, nigga. I swear to God, I thought y'all was going to the finals. Nah, you always said that. I always preached that. The only reason I believe that we didn't, man, is because, for one, we didn't have cuz. Because when we was going to go to the state, we needed that enforcer. Yes, bro. And we needed somebody to check Draymond.

Yep. I mean, I wanted AD to first play the game and hit Draymond in the chest. Set the tone. It's going different, bro. You know what I mean? Like, it had to set the tone. I think Draymond hit first against AD. And again, obviously, we lost that series.

Yep. We were able to get one. People obviously had us swept. But the way we did Portland, niggas had to start looking like, oh, okay, what the fuck they got going over here in New Orleans so Gentry was coach and Flynn

Minnesota coach was our offensive coordinator ah okay yeah so so he know how to work with two big guys so now it was dope

because we had a stretch four we had damn near you know Nico he was stretching that bitch out you know what I mean where Nergich couldn't get there yeah but now it makes sense

how he plays in Minnesota with Cat being a stretch four with Rudy Rudy damn I didn't even know that Yeah. But now it makes sense how he plays in Minnesota. With Cat being a stretch forward. With Rudy. Rudy. Damn, I didn't even know that that makes sense now. Yeah. And then another crazy

playoff team you had. We ain't even going to talk about the Chips first, but come on, the Bulls situation, dog? Oh, man. That's another one of them what-is situations.

But y'all don't know. Y'all don't know. Let me tell you a little bit of history of that, though. Man, that was a year I had the biggest contract So I'm in Chicago I'm like I said Downtown it was a great experience

Like I said being able to play for Michael Jordan Where he played in Chicago I think it was a close distance from the crib that I was at So I would get off of planes at 2 in the morning and drive home And try to take my kids to school and drive back I was able to do shit like that So that particular year though, them niggas fucked me. I mean, they benched me, uh, for a long period of time. Uh, they

brought in a couple of players, like, you know, you ain't the man you, you're not giving us what we need. And I'm like, my nigga, like I'm Hank, I'm Hanker. I got y'all keep giving Jimmy the ball. You're giving Dwayne the ball, but y'all know I need the ball and I'm handcuffed. Y'all keep giving Jimmy the ball, you're giving D-Wade the ball, but y'all know I need the ball and I'm the point. So let me manipulate and do what I do with the ball. I'm an unselfish player. I'm going to give them the ball.

They're like, I'm out here trying to get 30, nigga. They'll get the ball when I feel need at times and put them in the best position to be great. Make it easier for them. Man, them niggas benched me

for like a couple months. Damn. So for me, again. Isaiah Cannon was playing. Isaiah Cannon, playing Isaiah Cannon Cameron Payne Michael Carter Williams New York

Jared Grant They tried everybody Yeah So And I said It was all my young niggas I love them all You know what I mean

You know me It's like Y'all brought me here Y'all paying me How much have I been paid It's supposed to be I ain't trying to be a big three But y'all got D-Wade and Jimmy

But y'all got me as the maestro To orchestrate this shit Okay cool let's get it Y'all brought me in Said y'all want me to run the show To orchestrate this shit Okay cool let's get it Y'all brought me in Saying y'all want me To run the show Again I've been brought in A couple times

Where niggas like We want you to do this And when I do it It's like oh shit He's doing too much Or he's wild Like nah nigga Y'all told me

This is what I do So that year I get benched And again I'm like man This is some wild shit What I do I went to I went to damn near

Every hood in Chicago In a sense And played Runs called 150 Shout out to everybody That I hooped damn near every hood in Chicago in a sense and played runs called 150. Shout out to everybody that I hooped with that kept me in shape. They go up to 150

if y'all want to. They play to 150. Yeah. And I was able to keep my head keep a cool head because I was still playing a game I love.

I was still able to stay in shape. And then when I obviously when I was saving cream rice at the top when I got my opportunity again it was playoff time. Yes sir. So in my mind I'm like shit. I'm ready to fuck these niggas got my opportunity again, it was playoff time. Yes, sir. So in my mind,

I'm like, shit. I'm ready to fuck these niggas up. And again, we the eighth seed. We got nothing to lose. And the bean. And I'm back at the crib.

And, you know, Isaiah Thomas is going crazy. You know, they got a hell of a squad at number one in the East. Yeah. Man, I figured, okay, cool.

So game one, we in the lobby We had our team meeting So I told Jimmy and D-Wade To stay back Let's me walk through A play with y'all Because again

Brad ain't ready For this shit In the fourth quarter Was able to manipulate The game that way We obviously get game one Same thing we did game two Now at this time

People bought into What I was telling At first Niggas weren't really Trying to hear What I was saying By that time again Niggas was like Okay let, what are you talking about?

Okay, let's do that. And that's what we did. Then we went both games. Both games. Boom. Then I reach on Al Horford, broke my thumb. I'm out. I'm trying to play. They're like, nah, it's over. You got to chill. So, like I said, another blessing from above. Niggas lose four straight. It's like, come on,

man. The crazy thing about it is we went two on a roll. We come back to the crib. It's supposed to be crazy back in Chicago. Man, that game three, it was four straight. It's like, come on, man. The crazy thing about it is we went two on a roll. We come back to the crib. It's supposed to be crazy back in Chicago. When that game three, it was like, this the crowd? Like, damn.

I'm thinking this guy would be crazy. Like, man, number AC, we done won two games that nobody in the world expected. We done fucked up all the bets

if it was heavy betting back then. Or DraftKings was going crazy back then, boy. Out of, we would have hit a lick. No, John Ty. Right. Like,

who taught you how to play the game? Because the way you think the game, it's kind of crazy, bro. Like, you hear like Kobe and LeBron talk about like, your IQ

about the game and stuff like that. Like, as a hooper, when I see stuff you was doing on the court, like we would play you and you would have had a ball. This nigga, y'all don't know him, Paul's, but this nigga's hands big as shit. So, when I see stuff you was doing on the court, like, we would play you, and you would have had a ball.

This nigga, y'all don't know him, Paul, but this nigga's hands big as shit. So, this nigga would hold the ball, and he'd be telling this nigga, go set that right here. And I used to be like, what the fuck? Like, I look back, this nigga take off and lay the ball. I'm like, man, I'm not supposed to. I told him, Kurt Heinrich, you guard this motherfucker. Because he doing too much sneaky shit, man.

I ain't with all that. I'd rather guard Avery Bradley whoever run off these screens Ray Allen fuck all this shit because he'd be holding the ball do this and start attacking you do all them in and outs

and I was like man who taught you how to play um probably just probably my taught me how to play and like

um Bibby taught me my high school coach Doug Bibby shout out Doug Bibby again he's a he's a sensei in this shit

um but like I said I grew up playing everywhere in the city you know what I mean I was always the smallest I always play my older brother

he's five years older than me so every time I played it was niggas around his age you know what I mean so it was like I didn't get picked up at first so I had to prove myself

so it was like I always had that chip on my shoulder and I always played against more athletic taller stronger guys so it was like for me I just wanted to be great and I had to find a way to

figure out how to do it that's where I guess maybe the shock fate came from is again I'm playing against tall niggas it's gonna block my shot so now I got an awesome art them on how to you know to me I love it I compare it to like chess I mean to be in two or three steps ahead of the game and um that's always how I thought the game and for me the film is the answer to the test so when I once I was introduced to film my freshman year in high school Doug Bibby made And that's always how I thought the game. And for me, the film is the answer to the test. So when I, once I was introduced to film, my freshman year in high school, Doug Bibby made us watch film.

And I'm in this bitch like, man, here we go with this shit. I mean, I'm bad body language in film. Like, man, you're always talking about me. So at first I didn't understand it. And I see it now teaching the AU kid. It's like the same energy. It's like, okay, I keep working

and you'll thank me later. That's why I keep continuing to do it. So for him to teach me the game and be able to watch myself and understand my mistakes and where my weaknesses are and how teams are going to play me, I was able to learn and continue to just pick it up and be a sponge. And now when I got success from it, I'm not going to compare it to a drug, but it was very addictive to continue to learn and watch and play the game and understand guys' tendencies. So when I get in the game, it's like, huh, I'm ahead going to compare it to a drug, but it was very addictive to continue to learn and watch and play the game and understand guys' tendencies. So when I get in the game, it's like, huh, I'm ahead of you.

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We like to joke and shit. But when we used to guard you, I used to tell the coaches, like, hey, we got to pick him up. We got to play him like we playing Steph Curry. You got to guard him. And they used to be like, no, no, no, sag back, sag back. I'm like, bro, he like Tom Brady in the pocket with no baton. He going to pick you apart.

And we used to, we was in a playoff series against y'all. We used to argue about that. And I'm like, bro, we got to guard him and make him like be a scorer, make him get in the lane and make decisions. I'm like, you let him do this, bro. He going to dissect this. That ball fight. Man, he just sit there, Ray Allen come off a pin.

I had too many weapons Yeah It was hard to play Like I said I got KG on the spin out lob And it's crazy I don't know I think 80

He would have to get it from him Like I said 80 connection Same shit I'm like man Me and Kevin should get that Every big I play with Cuz

Like me and that KG Reverse spin Cause niggas so thirsty Not to deny him the ball Cause they're such great players Now you playing that top side Boom All I'm reading is the backside defense And if he ain't a footer that KG reverse spin. Because niggas so thirsty not to deny him the ball because they're such great players. Now you're playing that top side. All I'm reading is the backside defense.

And if he ain't a footer, I can only throw it at him where he can go get it. So I'm actually teaching my young boy on my AU team. He ain't dunking yet, but trust me, by two years from now, a year and a half,

we're going to have to spin that lot. My son and the big kid. Jacob Carter. I'm happy you brought that up. The head fake. You was a 2K legend dog that was that head fake bro

with the the spin around late it was green every time bro I never played 2K never? I mean I played against my son but I never like I never get on a game

I'm not a gamer I don't I just can't get into it but all the games I never played games listen 2K8

to 2K by 12 bro you was unstoppable, bro. It didn't matter, bro. Nah. But you talk about that Bulls series when you was part of Bulls. Let's talk about that series when you was with the Celtics and y'all played the Bulls.

One of the best first round series ever. Ever. It was probably about seven overtimes that series. Stop. That was one of the best first round ever. It was a dog fight, man. It was one of my favorite series I've ever played in. Shout out fight man It was one of my favorite Seeds I've ever played in Shout out to D Rose

One of my favorite players I've ever played against You know what I mean Like he didn't talk shit He just let his game do the talking And he was a tough Motherfucker to guard Like unreal

Number one? Was he number one Hardest to guard? Yes That nigga was tough bro Yes I mean You know you could say Steph But at the same time

He was a monster He is a monster As well But that particular time With D-Rose You needed all five Help Like you had to

All five guys Had to have eyes on him Like That nigga can get in the paint Just like that And then he's elevating On any big Filet and finesse

And shit And I'm like I mean it just depends So He was tough man Transition was He was a one-man fast break. For sure.

And obviously, we got to talk about these up here. Which one would you say was harder to get? Because y'all both had, there were legendary runs for both of them. Which championship would you say was a little tougher than the other one? It's different, and it's hard to speak on that because, again, at one point, I was 21 years old. And the other one point I was 21 years old. Mm-hmm The other one I was 34 so

different times in my life at 21 Playing I think we played 26 games and win. We went to win the Hawks seven games Detroit six Cleveland seven and then la six so Things like 26 games and we and that was like I said, every game, you know, if you play in the playoffs, like it's the highs and lows.

You win one, you up here, you lose, you're like, shit, I can't eat. Don't talk to me. You know,

when do we play again? That's the mindset. So it was like, for me, that was a tough one mentally to get through because again, like I said,

we had seven games damn near every time. And then like I said, that seven game, it's do or die. So that mindset, nigga, and I loved it we had seven games every time. And then like I said, that seven game, it's do or die. So that mindset, nigga, I loved it. I think I thrived the most when it was game seven. So it was them type of pressure games because I wanted that moment.

But I had a great cast around me. I mean, like I said, I felt like the pressure was all on me, but it wasn't in a sense because everybody was starting their role and we're able to be great and we didn't have to do it all. Being coached by one of the best motivators and next to those guys, Doc Rivers. He's catching a lot of heat lately.

Yes, sir. But again, I feel like players make the coaches in a sense. You can't do shit without talent. And the year before, again, we lost 18 straight with that team with Doc. You get a couple of Hall of Famers,

the right chemistry, Thibodeau coming in, motherfucker. Shout out to Thibodeau. Defensive juggernaut And we were able to mesh Man We had great leadership

Guys that sacrificed And bought into one another It wasn't No egos at all That particular year And we figured out And made it work We had a group

Of older guys With the big three And then we had The young guys Me, Tony Allen Leon Poe Perk Gabe Pruitt

You know what I mean Eddie House Jay Posey. So we were deep. You know, and it felt good, Paul. We was, you know, and it felt good to run that table. But the bubble was completely different too, though. I mean, like I said, we isolated.

No motivation really in the sense of just like, nigga, check ball. It was me against you. It wasn't no fans. It wasn't no extra shit on the side. It wasn't no distractions, really, because we were able to lock in and hoop and play basketball. So I feel like we were always be able to be at our best,

in a sense. For sure. And everybody talk about that bubble basketball. Y'all was there, man, living in the dorms. Everybody was just on Amazon packages and packages, hooping. Like, that was like the purest form of basketball. I don't know why people be trying to discredit

the bubble ring and stuff like that. I'm like, nah, niggas had to really just sit there and hoop, bro. Yeah, you know, I mean, it was check ball classic, if you ask me. I and stuff like that. I'm like, nah, niggas had to really just sit there and hoop, bro. Yeah, you know, I mean, it was check ball classic if you ask me. I mean, it wasn't no, like I said,

it wasn't no extra shit. You check ball, you played against each other and like I said, in the playoffs, that's when to me, Murray went crazy. Like, that's when I was like,

oh, this nigga for real. Like, I didn't even know. He was hoop. So he went crazy on us. He destroyed us. Like, we couldn't check him. He had a move on me so fucking cold, man.

Y'all got to find this clip. Luis. He's in the bubble. He went, I feel like I got him. Got him. Top of the key, I we couldn't check him. He had a move on me so fucking cold, man. Y'all got to find this clip. Luis. He's in the bubble. He went, I feel like I got him. Got him. Top of the key. I think he's an ISO boom. He go to the cup.

He drive level something. He went up with his right hand. I contested it, bitch. He flipped, switched it, threw it up with his left hand. Hit that bitch. I was like, this nigga is, I can't get him. Neck, who next? I can't.

I thought I can stop. I'm going to need a big guard on him or something, man. Come here, Brian. Come on. Shit, definitely. What was you listening to before the games what music was you

tapping in with I'm more of a chill laid back maybe R&B you know what I mean for the hoop session for the hoop session but I really started

to play chess before the games at times later in my career I kind of like to just be kind of level headed at mine so I don't want to be up

I don't want to be amped like I want to exert all my energy once I get to the court. Who's your favorite R&B artist? Usher. Respect. Listening to Usher

before he went out to kill niggas is crazy. Nah, I'm going to say I'm listening to Usher because I would have never thought John Niggas was listening to Usher. Punching niggas and shit. I never thought

Usher was on the playlist. My boy listening to Confessions Gets 30. My boy listening to Seduction going to slap a nigga. It's crazy. God damn.

Drop the mic. Oh, man. Hell, dog. I set myself up with that one. Hey, man, you know what's crazy, too? You got a lot of legendary pictures. We got to start with the one with you in the short end of the championship

with the confetti fall down. That's like one of the internet legendary pitchers. With my son? Yeah. Oh, that's what makes, that's why I can't really say the first one was better than the second one because shout out to Eddie House. When we won the championship in the Celtics, his son was on the sideline. And I was like, you know what?

I want this experience. Oh, that's dope. And it's crazy, man. Fast forward, my son was able to be with me on the sidelines during the time. Is that the picture in here? It's in there. Yeah, it's in there. And to see Eddie House when his kid was killing it in a tournament and seeing my son.

That was fire. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah. Like people don't understand. I hate him. Like, man, you know, congrats, my nigga. Like, this is a great moment for you as a father, as a proud father. I know what you've done with your son and what you've been through and all types of shit.

So it was like to see that moment. A lot of people went crazy about how he reacted. But it was like, nigga, y'all don't even understand the backstory to everything. You know what I mean? So that inspired me and that's definitely one of the hardest pitches. Of course,

I got one in my little man cave and he got one in his room so that's forever a moment and he's loving every pit of that but a lot of people think he's 13, 14 years old now and on the AU circuit

it's like, man, the nigga is what he is. He's 12. And then another crazy picture is you at the restaurant with the dude walked up with the LeBron shirt on and then you had to go to play LeBron. Did I ever talk about that at all? Speaker 3 Nah, we never spoke on that.

Um, we talking about, uh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That one. Um, nah, you know, Speaker 1 Nah, I seen a funny video. You do, you know, dude, they be trolling people come up to you and be like, Hey, Chris Palmer. Speaker 2 That nigga gonna knock you out bro. funny video you do you know dude that'd be trolling people come up to you and be like hey Chris Paul I had I had security right outside the door because I'm listen I jetted in the shoe store

I'm in LA I think it was even I think it was my fucking Christmas I think so I'm and I'm ready to grab my son some shoes quickly in the back I run in I let social security stay in the front I run out and this nigga pull up I was like I didn't even know who he was at the time well you know that's what he did

so obviously he caught me off guard and I didn't really want to I knew I was on camera so I was like you know me being my character I gotta be cool

what I say how I react to this so I let it ride that's the wrong name that nigga be on there I was in like I think I was in cool kicks or something

man like I said I can't really move how I do what I am but hey man that moment is one of my favorite moments in NBA history

we ain't gonna speak on it too much but I appreciated that moment very a lot man man this dude you're crazy what's up bro

so now these niggas was listening to Usher before the game I'm still thrown back by that I would've put 3-6 Mafia on your list if I had to guess.

When I say weakest, you say... I got another question. Hey, when Rafer Austin smacked Eddie House in the back of the head, what did y'all say in the locker room?

I was so pissed. Oh my goodness, and smack Eddie House in the back of the head. What did y'all say in the locker room? Boy. I was so pissed. Oh my goodness. I was upset when that shit happened, man. Because the crazy thing is me and Rafer got into it a couple years back, too.

Shout out to Rafer. Shout out to my Lou. Couple years back, we got into it when he was with Houston. I'm talking about, it was jump ball. Nigga, the ball

didn't even hit the floor. As soon as the ball tipped up, me and Rafer had to go, ha ha, we in it. Damn. Watch out.

It was crazy. So when he did that to E House, I was like, motherfucker. Told you, watch out. You ain't even like,

I'm pissed to E, like, nigga, you ain't, fuck suspension, fuck everything, nigga, that was, I was pissed,

obviously, again, for personal reasons, but it's like, I loved it though. I mean, fuck it, that's part of the game. Yeah, I was like, I'll never reasons But it's like I loved it though I mean fuck it It's part of the game I'll never forget that shit Man me neither

Fuck I was mad Now listen You had the sneaky highlights They know how you were in the league But y'all too Y'all gotta do it Versus y'all highlights

And y'all going crazy Nah he is crazier than mine Nah We talking about crazy Like which one Like fouling Or like doing stuff I done ran into some people

And shit Look at that nigga Trying to downplay. You gonna smirk a nigga? He tried to take a sting out early, huh? Nah, look, man. Nah, he's not like crazy. He's not like crazy.

I can't even think of none. What do you mean? Man. Oh, is it? No, you got some highlights, bro. Damn. Dough got some highlights, bro. Okay.

We love the lowlights. Behind the back, pal? We some of them. Nah, we talking about. Okay, I highlights, bro. Okay. We love the lowlights. Behind the back, Pat, what you talking about? Nah, we talking about our lowlights. Man, niggas spent behind the back. What you talking about

when you in the middle of the club, nigga? Okay, that part. Okay. For sure, man. That's crazy, but like, obviously, man, we know how smart you are,

but like, to see the grades give you your credit, like, how does that feel to have that type of validation? Obviously, the accomplishments is there, but to the people that we all deem as ghosts is like, hey, no, Raejean Rondo is that one. How does that feel? Man, it's unbelievable, man. Like to get that respect, to be honored from, you know, like I said, part of the greats who mentioned my name as far as how I understand the game and obviously playing against me for years. I played in this thing for 16 years. So to have that respect from, like I said, the guys that's

doing the podcast now, the people that obviously everybody's talking and to hear those responses and the respect they're giving me, it's a blessing and it's something I don't take for granted. You know what I mean? Like I said, I never played it for that. I played it just because I wanted to be great and I wanted to find my niche on how I could be great. Because again, I wasn't the fastest. I didn't shoot the best. I didn't jump the highest. So it was like, okay,

how can I be great in my own way? And for me, it was like, shit, I'm just going to study harder than most niggas. And like I said,

be a sponge. I was fortunate to play with damn near probably over 10 to 12 first ballot hall of famers. So for me, every person I played with, it was like,

let me get that. Okay, let me get that. And, let me get that. And then when I did, when I went to different teams, I tried to pass it along to the young guys, like to the 80s

and went from Dirk to Kevin. Now I'm able to talk to cuz and give it to him and give it to Anthony Davis or whoever else young player, DeAndre Jordan. I mean, any young guy I played with,

and that's why I pride myself on too, is always giving back to the young boys, to the rookies, to first, second players your players that niggas don't really fuck with or respect in a sense

because again I was once that player I came in this when he first picked I didn't play my rookie year you know what I mean so I feel like I understood what it took to work

and continue to have positive people around you your veterans and people that may look up to me and be like damn that nigga fuck with me

okay cool now I get it this is what he doing and let me add a little bit to that so that's the most humbling thing I can get. When I go to these games

and I see these young niggas and they're like, man, I appreciate what you did for me though. And it's like, that's the most satisfying thing for me along with, you know,

arguably the greatest of all time, Brian saying that he respect my IQ like no other. So it's like, I can't be thankful for it. You a mastermind for sure, bro. For sure. And the nigga crazy, bro.

Y'all don't know. He played against us. You tore your ACL, bro. Man, I tore my mastermind for sure, bro. For sure. And the nigga crazy, bro. Y'all don't know. He played against us. You tore your ACL, bro. Man, I tore my ACL. I swear, bro. I was like, I remember when you did. I'm like, damn. I think bro got hurt.

Bullshit play. So I choked up, made a bounce pass. KG came down. I was like, oh, shit. What the fuck? Thought I was just hyper-sitting him. I said, I didn't mean to cut y'all, but I'm going to. Nah, I remember I was like, damn, I think bro got hurt.

So the next day, I was a fan of yours. So I used to watch your games. And me and a dude named Kenny Atkinson, we used to dissect all the best point guards. And he was like, Rondo playing tonight. It was Sunday against Cleveland. Yeah. No, against Miami. You was about to play.

I was about to play. And I'm like. ABC game. I'm ready to go crazy. And he was like, yeah, I thought he got hurt. And we like forgot about it. And then when they told you You tore your ACL I'm like he finished the game

On a tore ACL Let me tell you about the play though After I did that So listen This was crazy Cause Cal Culver was Turning our ass up that game Yeah

And when I tore my ACL At the time I thought It was hyperextended I'm like whatever Fuck it I'm 25, 26 Whatever I'm young I can get through it

The game went to overtime Yeah So Cal's turning our ass up Dot call timeout Man who gonna stop Cal Coach I got him fuck it It's out there to me. See ya next play the unique is run a play. He came off a damn near triple screen I'm chasing nigga next, you know, he line a bitch up. Hiya. I'm like coach. I can't check him. I'm fucked up

I was all I got I can do it. So I get on the plane. I'm thinking I'm cool. I'm my shit swell up Oh ice my shit, whatever we playing cars boom next day. We day. Sunday come, man, that game I did have a back, I had a triple-double, so now I'm facing, I got two triple-doubles back to back. I'm trying to catch a bird for this third one. It's ABC, I'm checking, I'm playing against Brian, so I got another level I'm ready to go to, ABC. Go to training room, I got, that morning,

10 o'clock, shoot around something, I got damn near 10, I got heat packs on me. All on my legs, my back, it's cold as shit in the arena And I I go I had to get ready for the game I take my shower The doctor's like Oh go sit on the table for a second

I'm like For what? I'm talking about Go lay down for a second He did the ACL check on me He was like You're not playing today I'm like what?

What you mean nigga? I'm alright I'm cool He's like nah Go get this extra MRI I'm like okay cool Go get the MRIs this Sunday. Hospital is closed.

Nobody's in there. I go with one doctor. As soon as I get that MRI, we drive back to the game. I turn on the radio. Rondo to ACL. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, how? We just got the MRI.

I'm looking at the doctor. Like, did you call somebody? How do I know I got the ACL tore? Like, what do you mean? So I don't even know. I get the news on the radio going back to the arena. That's crazy.

That's crazy. You could have went though. That ain't even legal. I was, I was trying to go. I wouldn't know. I was, now,

I don't know what I would have done if I would have just fell down because I had a partial tear. In order for me to play again, I had to get the surgery. But if I was just regular Joe, I could have just continued to walk around. I probably went to, I probably popped a couple perks and went crazy., I had to get the surgery. But if I was just regular Joe, I could have just continued to walk around.

I probably popped a couple of perks and went crazy. Off the park. We were on 30. Perk 30. No, 10. But at that time, I said, D. Rolls had toured the ACL and Amon Shumpert toured the ACL and they couldn't finish the game.

So for me in my mind, I was like, well, I finished the game, so I didn't tear my ACL. So I was like, okay, I thought this hyper-extended, I can play. That was my mind start thinking what an ACL tear was. I just remember, I'm like, this nigga finished the game, so I didn't turn my ACL. So I was like, okay, I thought it was a hybrid extension that I can play. That was my mindset. I was thinking what an ACL tear was. I just remember, I'm like, this nigga finished the game. Yeah, bro, you unreal.

I'm like, yeah, I don't think I'm this dedicated. I didn't finish the game, bro. For sure. Before we get out of here, though, we got to talk about it. Bro, that number nine rondo is one of the legendary rap lines. How did that feel when you was in everybody's rap? So, like, anytime somebody said nine, your name was coming right after that. You know what?

It was so crazy. Like I said, again, I never understood or knew it because, again, the reason I got nine in Boston was because four was gone. No, no, four wasn't gone. The single-digit number was gone. And Ryan Gone was like, man, give me some bread for it. I'm like, nigga, like you said, I ain't got no bread. I can't pay for no motherfucking number.

Yeah. I fuck with nine. Let me get nine. That's how it came about. So, I didn't really know, obviously, what I was doing. I'm like, nigga, like you said, I ain't got no bread. I can't pay for no motherfucking number. I fuck with now. Let me get nine. That's how it came about. So I didn't really know obviously what I was doing when I got it, how crazy I've been through.

Maybe like about 10 years ago I had one of my boys out in Seattle who used to make the iPods for us. Okay. And Nate Roberts is the homeboy.

And he made all the track lists with number nine in it with my song and it was maybe like 56 songs or something that had my name in it. So it was humbling. And again,

when I went to all the clubs in different cities, I'm in the hood club and all the niggas showed me love, man. It was unreal. Like, that's another humbling feeling.

It's like, niggas don't even know but I'm in the cities. They ain't really got a lot of people around me and niggas looking to grind me if they loving me. I mean, they fucking with me

in a sense, no homo. No, you good, bro. Like, that's some real... Nah, Rondo tapped in the show. I respect. Nah, that's a good feeling, though. Yeah, yeah. Get the love from the streets and, you know what I mean, from your peers.

I mean, it's a great feeling. Nah, that number nine Rondo launch. Nah, legendary. Legendary jersey, too. For sure. For sure, man. They got to retire, too. Think they're going to retire?

Man, listen, man. I'm able to provide for my family for generations, man. I don't give a fuck about retired jerseys, man. If I do, then it's a blessing again. It's another one. But again, when I started this shit, it was to take care of my family. Oh, bro, I understand. Hey, man.

Salute, man. We know what it is. Whenever this time, you know, you going to the Hall of Fame, first ballot. We ain't even worried about it. We appreciate you having us in the 502, man. Appreciate the gratitude. Shout out to the team. Shout out to the family.

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