Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Ryan Clark on The Pivot, NFL journey, Stephen A. Smith, "Podcast Olympics"

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

We’re back with Season 4, Episode 17 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague, DJ Wells, and B Hen are joined by former NFL great and ESPN NFL analyst Ryan Clark, where he tells stories about starting ‘The Pivot’ podcast, playing at LSU, becoming friends with Stephen A. Smith at ESPN, addressing the Lane Kiffin coaching hire, and much more! Don't miss the guys challenge RC and The Pivot to basketball, football, bowling, and more in a potential "Podcast Olympics!"Timeline:4:45 - B Hen vs. Ryan Clark 1v18:15 - Welcome to the show, Ryan Clark!12:00 - Playing basketball in High school16:45 - Randy Livingston18:30 - Marcus Spears20:00 - Lane Kiffin at LSU26:30 - College football becoming the NFL35:00 - Michael Irvin's Cowboys38:00 - James Harrison43:00 - Working in the media space45:00 - Stephen A. Smith49:00 - Start of The Pivot podcast51:30 - Rock going on The Pivot54:00 - The podcast challenge57:30 - B Hen podding with his parents59:00 - Birdman01:04:00 - Story of reviving his NFL careerAll lines provided by Hard Rock Bet#VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Did you have a Boost Mobile, brother? Did you have a next to a shirt? No, I had the joint that you could play Snake on the Nokia. Oh, okay. L-O-O, too, though. You had an antenna on your phone. Yeah, like, I had pagers, all that. I had the clear joint, though, so that man, I was cooler than most people.

The joint you can see through, you see all in the inside. Oh, yeah, okay. I remember it. I feel like you had one of them. No, my brother did, and he just passed it down, though. My brother's about RCA, so. You had to hand me down burner for all? For sure.

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Hopefully people, you know what I mean? Secure the bag, man. Like, just keep believing, man. We live to see another day. Somebody's kid is not going to get a Christmas. The ceiling is the roof. Sillin is the rule Or the classic bar from Mike

Do we know what that means still? No Absolutely You absolutely You know what that means I don't Yes you do The sillet is the roof

Yeah I mean You get it Teague Technically But like Technically it's not Actually

I know I know where he was trying to go But he didn't reach Yeah he reached it It's Jordan Yeah he can do whatever you want Yeah like think about this Right

Just think about it No matter what you stacked in here there's only a certain height you could get to, you can get to, you could get to. But if I'm standing on the roof, I'm always higher than you. Because you boxed in. See, that's a little too deep.

That's what it is. Because, RC, I promise. I love your breakdown. You bumping your head on the ceiling. Oh, my kids, Jordan, was not thinking like that. I can't wait until he see the roof. And I ain't a lot. He was currently, he's about to have a commercial.

I'm going to be like the ceiling in the roof. I went to the bath. Okay. Watching a peacock, Michael Jordan Seale is different. For sure. We ain't got the market takes. Only have Annie Murphy, man. For sure.

Listen, we got a special guest in the building as you were introduced him last to my far left. We got my dog. Bishop, be hitting out the prairies. How you would, nasty? I was having, man. I'm glad my boy pulled up today. Man, I looked at him walking. I said, yeah, post work.

It's great. That's baby. Sitting on a block. Drop step. Tours or to the baseline. Lay, lay. a free parlay on B-HEN. That's a crazy assessment.

Minus 400 plus 4,000 R-C, hard rock bet, lock it in, coming soon, podcast Olympics. Behan, you cannot have a wide-receiver bottle with a full back top and think that it's going to work like that. That ain't, that ain't, that I told you, that ain't, that ain't, that is, how it worked. You used to play people with footballers, a full bag. Yeah, that ain't. Cutting my own stuff. That ain't how it worked, you got to be fucked out.

You built like a cake pop. Ain't a shot. Ain't no shot. I already told you. I already told you. We are. The whole game plan is around T. That's it.

That ain't going to work. Y'all get open jumpers all day. They can shoot. That's what they can actually do. Oh, that's our game plan? We good. I will say, very impressive that you know all of these ad reads by heart. Oh, yeah.

That is actually. high, that's high level media. No, he's top level, bro. That's what he do for real, though. Yeah, he killed that. That's what I said, though, when we were talking about the challenge. That, like, he's, he's not here for any of that. Like, he keeps the show

together. Like, he's a professional, he's a professional media member. None of the extracurricular auxiliary stuff is why he's here. That's not why he's here. See, them be more than you. You play basketball and football. Any skateboard. I don't know about, I don't football. You got that one. I don't want no smoke.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I see your highlights. I don't want no smoke. I don't want that either. I'm old. I'm not Philip Rivers. Oh, man. He got the Amazon chapter. Yeah, we have fun today, man. So my right, my dog, young Nacho, young Teague, how you want? Yeah, I'm on day. What day is this now being here? Fuck, whatever day you want. They, shout to the news.

So I do, I wear a same shoe for a whole month every month. Like, I don't pick one shoe and I wear it every month and it makes him mad. Yeah, because that's just trifling. So I do everything in the shoe. I lift weights. It's unsanitary, bro. I spur them down, though. The idea is unblesslessed us.

He gets as many shoes we want. My boy, he just locked in with the all whites, you know what I'm saying? No, it's classics, though. I'm not going to tell you. You can wear them every day. Yes, you can wear shelltoes every day. Not the same pair every day, bro. Why?

R.C. Did you grow up with money? He worked out. My family was good. I didn't have no poor-ass life. But him, he has the job. For him is crazy. I don't have, yeah.

I don't have no stroke or frat. Like, all that, I do not have a horse crack. Yeah, all that Brenda had a baby shit was not in my ghetto. Like, not in my house. I'm from the ghetto, but I was very, very blessed growing up. My parents had a lot of money. It's funny. I'm just saying for you to go work out.

going a day with your wife go coach basketball and he even plays basketball No, I don't play in him That's crazy If you're hooping the shell talks I can't do that He doesn't do that

But everything else is accurate Respect Come on listen man We got a legend in the building Man another champion as well On this couch man You ain't only tomorrow here to you Listen you've seen these gentlemen

Everywhere man Player Philanthropist And now he's doing everything He's best than one All in Mr. R.C. Ryan Clark Big Dog We appreciate you pulling up

I appreciate your boys, man. Y'all started this because y'all was talking big. Yeah. You know, like I said, T's the only problem in the room. I really didn't say nothing. I was kind of letting y'all let y'all breathe. I was bro called everybody out, but I ain't never ran from that. I'm cool.

Like, I'm good. Me and Channing is my matchup. I think we didn't get y'all in basketball, but like, we really bowl. Like, we good bowlers. Honestly, bowling would be tough for me. I am not, I am not a top-notch bowler. The way my shoulders are set up post career makes certain things a little more difficult. Yeah, because I'm like, we're talking about the podcast and limits or whatever.

I said, this thing you're in here working out. He ain't been in a workout and posted on Instagram and I don't know how long. Like, he's hitting the gym every day, headphones on. I'm getting ready? Yeah. That's that this is how I know you actually don't know me. I see him in the gym, though. Yeah, I actually, I was doing.

I was doing a tour of training facilities on Monday night football. I didn't say you didn't work out. I said you made it a thing like I'm in the gym preparing myself. That was supposed to intimidate us. It wasn't because I'll intimidate you. It's because I realized how strong Jeff was. Hey. He was out there doing push up.

He had to wait on his back. This is for fake. Hey, your boy was swan. Like, well, dang. Not for real. The one thing I'm not going to, I mean, y'all might win the game. I can't get pushed around. They're all respected

Yeah, they're like Oh, Jeffner, T-520, beat him in basketball, duh If we go to 15, because we beat the shit out of Gillian Wallow on now. Game to 15, it'll probably be 156. Okay, I mean, that's fair.

You have an actual pro on the team. That makes sense. That's all we got. We can't count basketball. We got to play some. No, we are. Play Spage or something. Spage is no shot.

Whoa, whoa. No shot. Tonk. And already, and already no, because he already talked about how great his life was. I know he couldn't play. No, he played Sladey, though.

I play cars, for real. He was like the richest one in the ghetto. Like, I, for real. Like, my friends were very, I don't want to shout out who they are, but they was poor as fuck. Shout to me. I'm talking about my next door neighbors.

It was severe. So my daddy was like the hood hero. Gotcha. But you're stupid, you're stupid. He's something really wrong. Hey, see your friend. Be like, yeah, she's like,

honestly. No, them my guys still to this day. It was really different, bro, growing up. He was like, about two years, man. Now, I ain't allowed to you, R.C. The shout-outs in this show for our friend group, they made a petition these last couple weeks to say, we have to get better shout-outs.

Yeah, for sure. We only shout out of my own bad stuff, kind of. Yeah, it's all good, though. This is how we work here, though, man. 1,000%. Glad you here, bro, for real. All jokes aside, man. We appreciate you for a little.

And before we start, too, man, y'all done an amazing job, though, though. Oh, thank you, bro. I think the ability to kick. to create, like, genuine interest in what you have to say is difficult. You know what I mean? I think the space is extremely saturated, and everybody believes they have something to say, but that's not true. Yeah.

Like, it's not, you know what I mean? And the fact that y'all could be entertaining, engaging, impactful with just speaking to one another, bro, to be able to create that space is really amazing. So, man, congrats to y'all and all the success, the shoe deal. I think y'all doing some things within the space that other people aren't, man. So y'all just keep doing it. I appreciate you, bro.

It's humbling coming from you, obviously, what you got to build. But first thing, first one, let's get to it, man. High school days growing up, Louisiana. Obviously, it's called the football. We were talking about the basketball stuff. You was like that on the court as well, though. Yeah, I was so.

I was second MVP voting. Look, your shit. I remember it all. I remember it all. Talk about them stats, baby. I did shoot an air ball from the free throw line in the state championship, though. He was Carlton.

Doug, I remember, and, you know, y'all know this, bro, like high school basketball gyms, the wall is always right behind the goal. Yeah, it's right. So, like, depth perception is easy, right? And my little routine was I wouldn't look at the goal until I shot the free throw. Oh, man.

Yeah, and so when I looked up, I couldn't see the room. Y'all was in the arena? Yeah, I couldn't see the room. I missed the, yeah, that was, for sure. though I thought at that point I was like yeah football for me did you think you could play college basketball no like so I did have like small school offers okay but I was going to LSU to play I was going to LSU to play football so it wasn't but you realized quickly like people that talk bad about like the 15th man on the bench I didn't go to the school go to school with like a ton of pros like I didn't go to Duke I didn't go to Kentucky but when you go in there and hoop with like real basketball players you realize that the games be like 23 possessions if you go into 12 or 11. Like, y'all score every time. So, like, folks who talk bad about dudes

who don't get in the game in the NBA, go play them. Yeah. You know, so I learned, yeah, I'm going to go out here and back pedal. I'm going to tackle. I'm going to do all that because if not, I'm going to have a regular 9 to 5. LSU was always the move, though.

No, I wanted to go to Tennessee. Mm. I wanted to go to Tennessee. We had a person here that was probably our best football player ever named was James Banks. He went to Tennessee. Legend. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Go ahead. Now, it's, so, like, and I'm old, like I said. So when they came to recruit me, they bought a VHS tape. Damn. Wow. He said, wow. Because I'm thinking about, they was recruit you with a VAT. I was watching N-1 VHS tapes.

I was, like, six-girt. Volume two. That made R-C about R-C down in the 50. 46. 46. You know, he was up there. Yeah, I'm old, bro. And so when they brought the tape,

I was sitting on the floor in my parents' house and it was like all the dudes that won the Thorpe or like all of all Americans and I was like shoot man I want to go do that because when I was coming out

LSU wasn't the move Saban made it that okay back right like when Saban came my junior senior year he started making that's when he got Marcus Spears

and Michael Clayton like all those dudes that was you know from the crib Kevin Falk was like the first Louisiana cat that made like going to LSU

cool but my mom my mom was like she ain't looked good and burnt orange you know and unlike Bihin I mean I didn't grow up

in the ghetto but I know my people ain't have enough money to go to Tennessee every week on my people to see me play they came to every game

and you know I tell the story before my mom is like a big time church goer like on every committee like my mom run the senior citizen committee but I'd be like

mom but you'll see your citizen like how you get to run the committee somebody young's supposed to give back to you so the night I was going to make my decision. We had a prayer circle.

So we had a prayer circle. Me, my mom, my little brother, and my pops, I go to sleep. I had a dream that I was standing on LSU sideline and people were rushing the field and the scoreboard said 28, 21, right? But I didn't really know the team. I didn't know what it was.

But I was like, oh, so the next morning I go into school, I commit to LSU. My first year at LSU, we played Florida with Fred, actually. They were number one in the country. We beat them 21, 28, and everybody rushed to field. It was the exact same scene that I had my dream. And so that was why I was going to commit probably anyway,

but that was definitely like I committed the next morning after that. No, it's crazy. That's very similar to Damriy elsewhere, how you got to wake. My mom had a dream. She's like, you got to go to Wake Forest. I always wanted to go to USC. You said USC? Yeah.

Like California? Yeah. I went on a visit. It was nice. It was nice out there. Yeah, class one was amazing. It was crazy. Academics.

Oh, man. And O.J. Mayo was on my visit, so. It's a hundred different. Nice, too. Shout to O.J. Mayo. Like, that was, that was the height of, like, high school basketball, mixtapes and, and TV games. Like, if you got on a TV game, if you had a TV game when you were in high school, then, like, you were actually that dude. No, they all play.

Yeah, I'm on TV. Who was one of the big stars in basketball where you was trying to growing up? No, you know, so Louisiana ain't having them like that. I don't know if you know who Randy Limestone is. Yeah, yeah. He was a killer. Randy Livingston was the best basketball player

I ever seen playing in person. He was a NBA player, though. It was raw, though, bro. Yeah, but you know what happened? He blew his knee out before he ever started playing at LSU. Bam. So he was national player the year, co-at national player of years, him and Jason Kitt.

Yeah. In like every playoff game, he had a double-double. He played point guard on offense, center on defense. Code. Right. He's the best player I'd ever seen doing a, you know, how he'd do those camps and the players worked the camps. He was demonstrating the jumpstop, blew his knee out,

came back. Like the next year, it blew the other one out. Oh, damn. So he ended up leaving. So, like, the career that he had was all about his brain and his understanding of basketball because, like, he could jump. He was explosive, and he lost all that. when he got hurt.

But Randy Liveston was the best basketball player. I seen Kerry Kittles. Carrey Kittles was one of the guys. Okay. I didn't know. He was from out there. Yeah. Do you all remember Hollis Price?

He didn't get to Villanooga. Yeah. So Hollis Price went to my rival high school. He went to my rival high school. He was a March Madness legend, bro. He coach at Houston right now. Yeah. So hooped against him.

So we had some guys, but it's not like the Midwest. Carolina. It was a football. My boy, Bees Swagoo, used to get to it on the court as well. Swagoo's one of the best athletes Matt I've ever been around now. Sun, nice, too. Son is like that.

But Swagoo played tight in when he first got to El-in. He ate his way to defensive end. Really? Like, was that on accident? Then he ate his way? He was always built soft. You know what I mean? Like, he wasn't killing Winsow by the body.

He's a body-shame. I started to learn something about my boy. I don't know, like, I don't know if he kept eating. They're like, hey, man, you might have to go to defense, bro. Now, you know what Nick Saban had, bro, that I don't think that I don't, I didn't, I never made any other coach that knew this. Like, he knew when you were playing the wrong position. So Swagoo was like top 25 Hooper, played tight in, could do everything, like soft his hands

on the team, but he was bigger. Like, he wasn't going to get open like that. He's like, hey, man, you go play D-N. You'll be a first-round draft pick. And he was right. Corey Webster ended up being an early second-round pit. He was All-American at like 13 picks in two years, but he was a receiver. And he refused to move.

Like, refused. Coach was like, man, he needed to go play defense. He was a quarterback in high school. And he was like, look, I'm going to move you. And he's like, but he's like, you're going to be a pro if you go play corner. And he was right. So he would do that with all these different players, man. He could just see it in a different way.

but you know, man, when you think you're good at something and you're a kid, you don't want, especially if you get the rock. Like, if I play while I receiver, I won't catch the ball. And so, but Nick was great at that, man. He moved Swagoo, bro. Comes to All-American, first-round pick. Oh, that's hard.

Josh Nick Seidman. Clearly, he knows something for sure. For sure. Not to jump around when I ask, how you feel about the new head coach at LSU. Speak high. Our favorite coach. Speak high, my boy.

So let me, so. You're welcome. Let's just say I knew Lane was going to be our head coach a long time before the rest of the world did. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that was as soon as B.K. was fired.

Like, that was my pick. Okay. Like, that was who I wanted. I had conversations with people at the school who were going to be decision makers. Bro, I would probably say once the process started, there wasn't a day. I don't have, like, a text

with Lane Kiff. Like, I got more group chats with Lane. I got more group chats with Lane Kiffin than I do, like, my real homeboys. Like, me and, like, we got group chats with Lane, and it's, like, different groups of football players that played at LSU, depending on what he wants to talk about. You know what I mean? So it's like, we got, like, pockets.

Like, oh, if it's this conversation, it's, you know, it might be Whitworth. If it's this conversation, it might be Swagoo. If it's this conversation, it might be Booger McFarlane. And so we got like all these conversations on one of the coolest things he did, man. It's probably 5 a.m. one morning. He sends a picture of the stadium. And he's like, you know, like that's the best place to play football in the country. And, you know, I remember when I texted him back, I was like, the stadium's cool.

I was like, but it's the people who are in there and the reason that they're there that makes it special. And like that dude is excited to coach there. And that's what you want. Like BK, bro, Brian Kelly wasn't. excited to coach there. No. You know what I'm saying? He was like,

he was acting like a bad chick that got with the smart dude because he was going to provide stability and mistreated him. You know what I'm saying? It was like wasn't stunting about him. You know what I mean? He felt like he was doing us a favor

by coaching there. And you know, man, like down south folks, country folks. Like, we don't like that. Like embrace, you got to embrace what we embrace. You got to care about what we care about because if you don't, like we're not going to fool with you.

And if we in that, space with you, then you got to win all the games all the time, right? Like, you win all the time, you can be as big as an ass you want. Yeah. But, like, if you, if you a turd and you suck, no, we got to holl at you. It just hate that you had to give them, especially

on the footballers. He had a hell of an hell of an ex-price boy. I love to get fired for 16 years. Fire me today. I can't wait to be a coach. First day, they're like, we just don't like him. B.K. stayed a little too long for me. I haven't been left this one. But, shit, you saw my down to himself. They was

pissed in Notre Dame with him and this is an unruly fan base they was like now get him the fuck out in Indiana so when he went down there was like oh that's a that's a choice listen man the NBA is heating up and you know what that means you got buckets betts and big wins every single night tap in with hard rock bet the home for hoop heads all season long all right listen all you got to do is tap in man download the app you can bet on everything every matchup every game listen you can even go ahead pull out to crystal ball see who's going to win MVP real kid the year and all future bets as well sign up with hard rock bet today just place a bet at $5 yes just $5 to win up to $150 in bonus bets listen you heard my man it's just $5 that's right $5 place that bit you get up to $150 in bonus bets you got to tap in hard rock bet get the app right now payable and bonus bets not a cash offer offered by seminal tribe of florida in florida offered by seminal hard rock digital LLC and all other states must be 21 and older and physically press in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, and Virginia to play.

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or wherever you get your podcast. I didn't realize the Notre Dame thing was like that until my son transferred there. So he played their senior year and you would talk to people and like obviously they knew I went to Ellis. They'd be like, what you feel about BK? And, you know, straight up,

like I'm not going to talk bad about and why he our head coach. You know, and that's the last thing I want to, the whole, hey, I talked to Ryan Clark and he said, you know. Yeah, you know how that goes. Yeah, you know how that's like. It's going to be, I'm the one that started

the conversation. Man, Ryan Clark came up to me. He hates Brian Kelly. So, like, I wanted to make sure it wasn't that. But I'd be like, nah, it's cool. You know, he's working on. He's trying to get people. And they'd be like, I'm so glad he's there.

Like, we didn't want him here. And I didn't know that he had wore out his welcome the same way there that he ended up doing at the crib. I wish Lou was here. Yeah, my homeboy, Lou, he worked with us. He had to tell you he had a Notre Dame fanatic that he'd go in on it. That was excited when he got the hell out of him for sure. Which is crazy, though, man.

Think about, like, how you truly have. to move or treat people to be good at something and people still want you out. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's had success there to win at that clip and people would be like, you know what? I rather lose the hell you. Oh me. That was fed up.

Anybody with you. We had Charlie Weiss, anybody but you gang. And Freeman. Good old Charlie. Get old Charlie. Yeah, man. I love Free. Like what Free did for my kid?

I can never pay him for that, but dude really is like that. From the standpoint of, like, I don't know how long he'll stay there. I think he has ultimate job stability. They're always going to win. They recruit at an extremely high clip, and y'all probably been to South Bend. Ain't nothing there but the school. Nothing that's it. You know, say nothing there but the school.

So the fact that he has, you know, Plexico Burr's son, obviously Bussie went there, but you got Jemich-Friendly, Larry Fitzgerald's son, Thomas, joined. Like, you got all of these dudes who play in the league and their kids are now going to Notre Dame over the Bamas and all that. But it just tells you the way he recruits, type of man he is. And I was talking to Riley Leonard on the field last year, last night.

Like, I can't believe they kept him out the playoffs. I was going to ask you about that. I hate the format, but given what we've seen, there's no way they should have been kept out. So it's the way the rules are put together, right? Like, I would say this. It's hard. I thought Miami should be in,

because of the head-to-head. I thought Bama was the team they could get in ahead of, but it's hard to say that when they go win. That's a fact. Like, Miami, they won. Like, all of these teams are now in the second round. But if you watched JMU and Tulane,

they got to be out. Ain't no way. Yeah, man. This ain't March Madness. You know March Madness, bro. You get Steph Curry hot on the day. You find a way to get to the Sweet 16. They have football worked.

Nah. Yeah. The better team usually winning football. That's how it is on the game. You're going to play weight for us against Alabama? No, it's respect to wait. But you get buried. Nah, thanks.

Listen, we're going to win the ACC next year. They have been good at some boys in my lifetime. Oh, 7, it was good. Name is Tim Duncan left their camp. Hold on. 07, we was good. We were to the Orange Bowl, respect. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We had a top-out pick. Yeah, you had a top-off pick. Aaron Curry, top-off pick. Yeah, good player. Coach now. Yeah. He coached now. Randolph Childers.

Randolph Children was killed. By the way, one of my favorite college basketball players in the old time. Randolph Jr.: was good. He was nasty. He liked the third best guard in Wake Forest history. All right. What's the order? Chris Paul won.

Yeah. I'm two. And then so. Yeah, that's a respectful list of. Look, when Randolph see this, oh, here you go. Oh, he's going to play the USC highlight. Oh, he was crazy. Shout out to Reddy, man.

He's going to come out here with that big t-shirt. We'll smoke. He's going to talk so much. Now, I'll be here on the college basketball, not college basketball, college football, excuse me. Does Notre Dame need to join the conference? Because I don't like the fact that Notre Dame

is not playing USC no more, and I feel like it's around that guaranteed pretty much from the committee that if they do this stuff when they schedule they get in. Like, I don't like that robbery being gone, man. I don't think it's a Notre Dame decision that it's gone.

Right? It's the landscape of college football in the way that it's changed. College football is just turning into the NFL. Bro, I don't know if y'all pay attention. I'm sure y'all do on social media. Football players are taking pictures in college resigning to their team.

I've seen that. Like, you know, like when the pros do it in free agency, when they take the picture in front of the little thing behind them and they say, like, where do they do that at? I had everything about that, bro. I just read something where the running backs coach that we are hiring had to go have a meeting with our. sophomore he's going to be a sophomore

great young player our sophomore running back to try to keep him in the facility to try to keep him on campus try to keep him a part of the university like that's what we're doing so every so not only do think about like if you're if you're one of these teams

right now in the playoffs you're trying to win the playoff game you're trying to figure out NIL work the transfer portal to bring people on your team keep cats on your team from getting in the portal

and you preparing to play one of the top eight teams in the country. That's the NCAA problem. Yeah. They got to change that schedule. They got to change that schedule. Do you like it, though?

The fact that kids get to get paid like this? 100%. I do, too. 100%. I think that they should have been paid a long time ago. I think the ability to move around is not as much in my mind something that was a need for players,

but if the coaches were going to be able to live their lives and maneuver in their careers the way that they are, players needed some ability to not be locked into certain situations. I do think the way that transfer portal was implemented doesn't protect kids either from their own stupidity. Right? Like everybody, everybody think they, got to play year one year or two like that wasn't our life yeah you know what I'm saying like

I knew hey year one you might be the nickel right because the dude in front you is all-American year two you'll play more year three you could be the guy like that was the that was the steps for us and then basketball was a little different like you might start as a freshman but it didn't mean you was one and done right you was going right you was going to be around and so I think just when you see the number of dudes that get in the portal bro and don't find homes don't find places to go getting bad information from folks that's close to them because they believe that they could go get more money

elsewhere. Like folks ain't these kids don't, they don't develop. They're not developing physically and you're not developing, you know, mentally emotionally and being able to understand, like, we got to go live life after this. That's a fact. Talk to him. You know? And so I think it's... We talk about that

all the time. I think they need a cap. I think everybody should get one free transfer. That's it though, bro. Going to four different universities and four years. is insane. I don't care, bro. A lot of kids not graduate.

But I'm just saying you end up turned up into a piece of shit, bro, when you leave school because you have no discipline, you have no loyalty to anything.

Everything's just been, and you learn it kind of from people who ain't ever did shit in your family. No disrespect, but everybody just chasing the bag. Then you don't even know

how to treat the bag when you get it. So when you go broke, it's like, shit, that's when all the mental health shit just kick in and crashing out.

Like, it's bad. The biggest thing to me is just a lot of the kids they're going to school for four years, but they still not graduating. Like, you would be amazed how many kids didn't graduate, but they was in school for four years. Some was in five. They still haven't graduated.

What the hell are they doing? Because they transfer so much. Them motherfuckers don't be accepted at the next university? A lot of times when they transfer and they last year, they leave school early to go prepare for the draft. I'm speaking on basketball. They leave and go prepare for the draft and they might

still have a couple classes left and they won't finish. Obviously, they can go back and finish if they can, but they're not. They're not. leaving a university with a degree. And one thing that people sleep on is having a place to call home. If all fails, you still have alumni base or school you can go back to as a cushion if things work out. Like you said, LSU, you got a great stand-based with that situation.

These kids have no home to go to after this stuff. So you're getting all this money, you're burning bridges everywhere you go. And if you might need a lifeboat, you don't even have no one who can rock with you because everything is transactional. Yeah, like, no, too, though. It's about individual relationships, though. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it's not about whether or not you could go back to the, the school is whether or not I can go back to a certain person. Right? Because them people float around too. Like the it's funny to say, the guy who was basically the general manager at Notre Dame is now the general manager at USC.

Right? Like that's somebody who my son was close to. That's who recruited him. Like if he wanted to and like let's say he didn't have a foundation, he could probably go to him and see if there's something that they could do to help one another or if he could help him out. But that's the, I think

That's the hard part about where we are now is like, I tell people all the time. They ask me about the pro teams, you know. And I put it on, I entertain, right? That like, when the Steelers lose, it matters. It don't matter. Like, it don't. I don't care. Like, they want you to be on TV.

R.C., I know you're hurt. And as part of the entertainment of TV, yes, I'm hurt. But I'm not really hurt. That's not putting money in my pocket. You know, and you know how it is, fellas, like, once you start to know these people, I want Pittsburgh to win because Mike Tomlin is my friend right and I know that his livelihood

and his career and his kids and his family depend on him being the head coach right like I want Jalen Ramsey to play well and to win because that's a little broke that's how I watch games now I don't watch games like all the Steelers have to win but the thing about college used to be was like I got so much pride in LSU

because that's the only place I chose you know what I said like I chose to be there you know what I mean Like that was, I had an option of this place, this place, this place, and I said, that's the spot for me. And so when you stay there and you play four years, it's like, man, the people there, the people that support the university, like all those folks know me. You know, like they got a, I remember two of the things I did at LSU that will always be important to me. 2020 was obviously like a very tough time, social injustice, social justice, all of that. the athletes at the school marched in 2020.

I was a part of the march. I got to give the speech, right, to all the athletes about just kind of like where we were, how we needed to stick together. And then in 2021, they did this whole diversity, equity, inclusion, survey, and people got to actually speak about what they felt it was like to work at LSU. And I got to present that to the entire athletic department. And to me, that was important because I don't know.

from there, I went to school there, I live there, you know, and this wasn't about how many tackles I had or how much TV I did. This was about, like, the people that are part of the fabric of what makes it go. And so, like, those are two things to me that were extremely important to do. Like, I don't, when I go to the games, man, I sit in the stands. Like, I don't go on the sidelines. I don't ask for certain things. Like, my thing is that the kids at that school be treated the way, like, I would want to be treated because I love it so much. But they just going for the money you might they got kids that that might play for lSU alabama and ohmiss yeah that's crazy where you go on saturday when you've done college right because if you only

if if the people at old miss who were there when you were there aren't there you can't go back it's the fact bro it's over with it's over they don't know you you know so i think i i hate that it's like that for these kids i ain't gonna lie i got natural shit be here i'll be michael urban on the side lines. Yeah. I'm who up in trash cans, baby. If my problem if you're going to

go to the national championship, I'm solid line wild. And Wake four is making to the final four. I ain't been to a wake force game in 15 years. I will be there. I act like I'm the number one fan.

For sure. Do you think L.S. Don't act like Irv. The goal. Irv is like grandfathered into that level of behavior. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I like the way you put that. Yeah, like we just love him so much and he's always been like that. that we don't even ask him to really grow up. No, for sure. Because sometimes you just leave people as they are.

It's better. But you know it's not fake, too. Oh, yeah, I know. Like, that's, that's like... I heard about that White House. Yeah, like, that's truly who is. And I don't know if I've ever seen Irvin in person. He's a big dude, like, pause.

Yeah, I've seen him. Yeah, we've seen him. He's one of them small slot receivers. No, no, no, no. You know, at least six-three. Yeah, like, so... He's a big dude. Still the shape.

Yeah. Shows of the OG for sure, man. I don't love to play in that era, though. You'd a bit of Cowboy? Told you that White House, that inspired me. I ain't messed up with him, man. And pure. Jerry Jones had to plug for a show.

I mean, the way R.C. is washed. I mean, the way, R.C. might got a little powder in it. No, really. No, don't do like that. In the Detroit, my God. Oh, my God. Crash out. That's a real serious.

on the game, though. Nah, duh. It was so funny, man. No power to be here. No power. No power. See you, Treasures to the TV. He was like, last boy's got.

The last boy's got. See you on TV, he's just like, I see him play football before. Yeah. He ain't like that. He's not like that. I'm like, bro. He's not just put together, bro. He's a good dude, bro.

He's play football. He's crazy, bro. For sure, for sure. No, I mean, he's like, but it's like anything else you do when you aren't like a superstar. you're in order to stay you have to build something out of necessity you know what I mean like if you are

if you're a hooper and you're not going to be the number one like it's something that you have to do that they could count on every week is going to be there and for me that was that was physicality and the other part of it is too when people start to one expect something from you

to praise you for something it makes you want to do it more you know and then like after a while I realized oh wait like they are really scared to come cross here right and i was like oh with good reason i get it and so now every so then after that every time somebody went across there like i was like oh yeah i'm about to split him how you turn that switch on and off though like when i see like james harrison i feel like his switch is always always though yeah there's no off switch yeah but i like you got like an off switch yo you like yeah you know man i play football player is totally different at basketball

he not like he like still like yeah i'm ready to tackle somebody right now He ever been around pit bull and you don't know the pit bull? Yeah. And you're like, when it's going to start pit bulling? Yeah. Zach's the same thing being around people. That's not crazy. That's wild.

Yeah, he's like, and he's my boy, you know what I mean? So, like, we have a different relationship. My kids love him. Yeah. But, like, even, like, when I disagree with him, it don't feel comfortable. But you know what I'm saying? You know how, like, if y'all might have a disagreement, you can be like, damn, be him, why you say that?

Yeah. Like, when I asked Kim, I was like, Debo, you know, he said something recently about Mike T and, like, I texted him. I was like, Debo, man, like, why would you say that? Like, I could tell that his text messages had muscles. You know what I'm saying? Like, he went, he went texting me like I was his homeboy.

He was texting me like I was trying to check him. And then he goes, FaceTime me. No, he said, no, he said, they say, call me. Respect. That's like, I'm on the plane. That's what I mean, though. Like, you turn it off, but I always wondered, like, because he played with that same kind of rage,

that same kind of energy, but it's like, you turned it off. Like, you can go on TV. This got to be different immensely, bro. But honestly, though, like James, bro, oh, crap, I didn't broke y'all. No, you're good, I don't worry about it. Bob Jack, baby. I think you've been a way wrong.

Look, look at my... Chouts, we good. Chouts, we good. Yeah, you got to have it right there, man. Got a brand. James, though, man, was cut so many times. Like, he just had to build this certain thing. But, and I love him to death, like,

James' mom is, like, the scariest human I've ever been around. Like, like, they ain't play with her. He ain't play with her. His sisters ain't, you know what I mean? So, like, he comes from one of them households where, like, if you fought one of them, you had to fight everybody. Damn.

So there ain't, you know what I mean? It ain't no being soft. Ain't nobody around that, no hole. Like, like, none of that. And so there ain't there ain't an all switch to that Unless he get around like his people Like when he around his boys like his sons But even them, bro, he'd be like they wrestle all the time

That's crazy You know what I mean? Like just a family of like brutality At all moment So it don't for him like it don't cut off For me though You know man I was a nerd You know what I'm saying?

Like growing up I was the cat that Like my mom was real big in the school So she had to pay for me to go to high school So, like, if I got to see my friends would make fun of me, like, because I couldn't go outside or, you know, and I couldn't go to dances, stuff like that. Yeah. So I came from kind of, like, that background. And, too, I was a year ahead in school because of what my birthday was. So I was small for, like, a lot of years.

And, you know, like, be him, I was like the different cat that had, no, for real. Like, my parents are still married. Oh, okay. They work their butt. My pop works two, three jobs. And so, like, I was in public school with cats who, like, might get held back. And so, like, I'm sure. You know, I'm nine years old in the fifth grade and small,

and this cat posed to be in the seventh, you know what I'm saying? And they talking to me crazy. And just in self-awareness at that age, I was like, I want to beat him up. I just don't think I can't. You know what I'm saying? And so there were things, like, in my life that I was like, all right, whenever, whenever this even out a little bit, this is never happening again.

Oh, you can get back. You know what I'm saying? And so, like, I remember when we got to high school, because we was all in the same grade, they were still older. I was like, I'm better than him. I'm better than him. And we're going to see it every Friday night. And so like those things build you.

But as far as like being able to cut the switch off, it's like you can't function in society that way. And I struggled with that when I retired. I had a facility. I had a training facility, man. And my partners had to have so many meetings with me because, nah, this is real talk. Because I was always on the turf, like training people.

You know, and so like cats are coming in. And they might be like college kids. or whatever and they'd be talking trash and I felt like oh this is just a locker room you know what I mean like you know what I'm saying and I felt like even though I'm grown like we're gonna go back and forth like I love that and too

all the facts are on my side yeah you know what I'm saying like unless you a high college all-American and they don't even talk it'd be the pool ones yeah you know what I mean so we had so many situations they'd be like RC you can't say that you know what I mean or like I remember I was training this kid he was in college one time

and I was just trying to tell him like he did the wrong thing and it was like his first day and he like clicked out on me like I couldn't you know tell him nothing and like he was talking he's like I'll whip you and I like just walked behind him outside I was like whenever you're ready like whenever it feels good to you you know what I mean like just you're in college now yeah I was like he was 21 years old I was like yeah I was like you just let me know when this is happening so we could do it the right way you know and they bring me up they call me like Ryan like you can't can't do that. And so I did have a lot of these different things where like you're talking to people that work there. You're talking to, you know, people who are in the building. And that level, like our level of directness is not something that works in the real world. In the media space, you know, they'll be like, yeah, everybody's going to lunch. You know, in the, in the athletes mind, I'm like, well, they aren't my friends. Yeah. I'm about myself.

facts right but then you realize they start picking jobs and you know that you know you're the one that's three Emmy nominations in the row you know you're the only one with the Emmy you know what the numbers look like when you do your work yeah but we picking this job and I don't get it right like like like this the crew right and then you just start listening to people and it's like oh yeah this person's tab them or that so-and-so he's close to the business whomever right and you start And you start realizing, like, playing that game, like, is truly part of it. But also, too, being able to respect yourself, look at yourself in the mirror and feel like you were authentically you, it's probably, it's more important to me.

But I have had to figure out how to express my feelings in a way where people don't feel like it's aggressive. Because I feel like you can tell me anything, right? Like, if you was, if being him, if you was like, you had an issue with me and you was like, R.C., man, I don't like the way you did, whatever. Yeah. I respect that. But you also got to be willing to listen to me.

Facts. And so many times people want to tell you what they feel. And you can't. Boy, I swear to God. You know what I'm saying? Media space to get trick. And, I mean, obviously, you do your thing. I'll definitely see some moments you on camera.

You'll look away and I'll be like, I know what he's thinking right now. Yeah. You know, like part of that. It gets real on camera sometimes. You know, we don't get too messy with your eyes. No, yeah, like, I think that's, I think that's, I think that's part of it. Like, you got to, man, like, you got to learn, like, who you're working with. Like, that's why NFL Live is such a dope space for us. Because none of us were stars when

they picked the show, right? Like, Dan was really just getting into it. Marcus had done more, like, SEC stuff. Mina was the first woman that ever had a spot like that. Laura was SEC. So, like, if we got on the shows, like, nobody had egos. Right? Like, we weren't what we became. And, like, none of us are Hall of Fame players. And so it was easy. easy to just vibe and kind of rock out. But now, and y'all know what it is too, like everybody want to be a startup. Yeah, yeah.

Like everybody. Like, everybody wants to shine. And you're not always in the space where the person you're working with wants to see you be something. Like, I know, I know Steve N, you know, he does politics now and people hate him. I get it.

You know, we had him on our show. And I promise, like, black woman acted like, I committed, like, domestic violence. Wow. Right. Like, they, like, just the way they came at me, that I can't believe you platform him, this and this. You know, he said this about her and this person.

And, like, I was real with people. Me and Stephen A. have all of those conversations, but he's my actual friend, so I don't need to go on TV. There we go. Or I don't need to go in front of the media and do it. So y'all feel good about it.

Right? Right. Like, that's what they want. They was like, you need to do him like you did. So and so. Well, I was like, I don't know so and so personally. And if I do know them personally, we don't get down. We don't talk on the phone.

Right? So addressing this, I'm addressing this as a media member. The things I disagree with Stephen A about, I call him. It's a fact. Or I texted. You know what I'm saying? Like when the whole Bronn thing was going on. Right?

Nah, for real. I was like, I think this is enough. Right? I was like, I think, I was like. That's time I settled. Yeah. I was like, you know, if we, and that's my, and that's my big bro, I was like, if we getting into conversation.

about what would happen if as adult men of our ages, we've now taken it beyond what we're supposed to do. Right? And he always hit me back. I know, bro, or he'll send me something. Now, I'm going to say this. I'm going to do this. And so, like, I've been able to move in that space with him.

But, like, it was early on in this year, they were starting to make some different rules about people can't be on certain shows. People can't do this. People can't do that. And, you know, we want to separate the shows. to look different. He called me. He's like, man, I don't care what nobody in this space do. I don't care what nobody at ESPN does. You always got a spot with me. He's like, so I'm going to get you. So he's like, so you're going to be on Thursday and Friday. He's like, not just because I love you,

he's like, but because you're excellent at your job. And it makes us better. So like, when you have somebody that do that for people to think that because it'll look good, because I would garner some sort of attention or because the community that I always stand doing 10-4 anyway, will think that, oh, you know, you went against him too. Nah, that's my friend. Like, I'm not doing that to Jeff for y'all. And so I think that the whole space, man, is just, like, the real world is just different than the locker room.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I've seen my home boys punch each other in the face and then go get beers and it's cool. And I think more or less, it don't even be about correcting issues. It's just people like to see certain people embarrass or check, quote-on-call. It don't even be about fixing the issue. You just want somebody to check somebody because, I mean, we had a simple situation. We had Charleston White on the pot.

Got a lot of hate for that. A lot of flag for that. He's so funny, though. You can say that we can't. He's dead wrong sometime, but, oh, he's hilarious. He's prime time for sure. He's crazy. But you know, bro, like, I think that's a great conversation for this space.

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of existing in an industry that wasn't always built for everyone. So listen to good luck with that on iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. man bro like two years ago two super bowls ago before like we found out just how awful did he was in real life we had floyd on the show and like it was it was kind of this was even before we saw the video with cass any of those things you know and it was just kind of started and floyd just brought it up himself like we didn't even ask him and in doing it he um he said uh you know i would ask my daughter you know what what did she do what and And so if you, you know, y'all seeing our clips from our show, we like, we don't interrupt. Like, we're, we do not argue. Like, oh.

But y'all, y'all make a motherfuckin' cry. Yeah. I said, this one fucker right here. Whatever you did, he ain't going to bring it up. He's going to goddamn get to here. I'm going to get you there. He is the goal. He is going to get to the root of it.

You are the go to that shit. I was like, I think I'm going to do pivot, man. He was like, you bet not cry. I said, R.C. I know. But all that shit you just stole, R.C., they're going to put the my receipts. I said,

no one. Now, look, I'm fucking R.C. a deal, but that shit, we always tell people jokingly, but we come on here, because y'all laugh and show y'all platform, but I'm like, if y'all got some dark shit, go see R.C. That's not, that's your therapy. Let him and Fred, you know, Shannon going to crack the joke

to kind of keep you even. But come on us when you're healed. Bro, honestly, though, like, we don't even, it got obviously the Bees show was the show that made the pinot. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that was the show. And so, like, when Bees pulled up, we probably have been doing like three months. He pulls up. And, like, if he saw y'all set up, he'd probably feel better about it. But, like, when you do a lot of other podcasts, they don't have all this that y'all have.

All these cameras, the lights, all that. We shot it at a penthouse, somebody we knew. So we're on, like, the balcony. It's like the lights everywhere, the cameras. He was like, hold on, man. I thought this was just going. going to be like a little podcast for 10 minutes like we couldn't get an answer out of him really

it was just basically like he just wanted to hoop yeah you know and he wasn't really sort of communicating it in a way that like we could just keep asking questions or follow-ups and then it's different for football players like we kind of go to one school he transferred to all those schools and the same thing you was talking about relationships earlier being I was like hey man how you learn to build relationships though if you had a different school like that was when I learned how to get friends and how to blend in and all that. And he was just like, man, excuse my language. He was like, I fucking didn't.

And that started the conversation. And so like after that, the next time when Shaq came in, he was like, man, I ain't crying. So he already came there with something on his mind because like that's the way the show works. Yeah. And that was when he said on the show that he shouldn't have cheated on Shawnee. Yeah. Right now he was going to an empty house. But in truth, I didn't know that.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And too, I don't even. want to ask that, right? That's what I'm saying. Like, that's not even. And so, but after that, man, like, when we got the rock on, he DMed Fred.

Literally. And I don't know who got DMs from Rock, but he don't type. He just always talk in that voice. Oh, yeah, Fred, it's the Rock. We don't know who you is. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And so he was like, and he basically said,

I love what y'all platform is, the way people can open up. I have, he's like, I have some things that I want to share. And so going into it, I knew exactly what he was going to talk about in some parts of it, because he came there to do that. So we do, to your point, we get a lot

of people when stuff is dark. Yeah. Like when there is trauma that come on our show to talk about it and to get it out. I ain't a lot to you on. Y'all, Floyd Mayweather episodes, like our Columbus short episode. You know, you know. Classic episode, for sure. But like you said, the pivot,

congratulations on that, man. Thank you, brother. Congratulations. y'all are institutions you are a pillar in our community y'all have done great work I love the balances that show has that's just amazing show man like y'all represent a lot of different stuff

and like you said it's a place for people to come and talk and you see a lot of people open up a lot of people aren't comfortable in most places so for people to come and share with y'all sit down chopping up shit bro that's why I love y'all y'all y'all shit like when y'all had thug I said oh shit bro crazy I don't know if thug watched them in a joint but these niggas here

for the day you go talk Right, but, like, even that one, man, and for, for me, like, now, like, when the show started four years ago, I wasn't what I was in the media space. Yeah. The pivot wasn't, you know, a thing. And so, like, when we get somebody like, Thug or there are people that hit us up and he wants to come on the show, like, I take that, that's a compliment to me. Right?

Because, like, we three former football players who, in truth, aren't a part of that generation. You know what I'm saying? like we just aren't like my kids 26 24 and 20 you know what I mean so we aren't a part of like thugs generation but the fact that he'll come sit with us like that's important to me I have an idea I don't know from the production standpoint now the problem would be this because this is what I learned about the podcast challenge everybody who wasn't mentioned tried to put themselves in it for sure right talk about it we're not talking to y'all the people that we wanted to talk to we have named by name right and it's and it's going to be fun we're going to have a good time it's it's a level of respect

but i do think that if there was a way to like truly have a conversation and you have to like limit the people right because obviously we got three people you all got four but to be able to just have a conversation about life where it could be all of us you know so i don't know how you platform it i don't know how you film it but i think you know there's y'all generation and then there's us and then there's what Shay is and then there's million dollars worth the game with like they got two the most different humans in the world

but if you ever just really sit down and talk to those dudes man there's so much wisdom and experience like I would love for all of us to be able to get together some sort of like round table conversation and just chop it up and it'll probably you know we should eat and drink if we want to and just like have that conversation

I think it could be life changing in the sense for people who love our shows because talking to you would bring a thought to my mind that I may not normally have. Same with D, same with T. And I think that would be really cool for people to see all of us as black men

be able to sit down, break bread in a way where it's not a competition to where it's all love. And that's what we were talking about, the podcast limits are so dope. It's because, I mean, outside of us playing the games, that don't really matter. But just sitting down, breaking bread and just being,

we're in a market that changes every single day. We're in a lane that changes every single year. And, like, the success is few and far between and we definitely beneficial for everybody to sit down. Have a good time, man. Everybody goes crazy for sure, man. Yeah, we still got to play the games, though. We still got, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, we still got a win there. We still got a win. We still got a win on the banner up, you know what I'm saying? But the fellowship is definitely important as well. Well, I've listened to Teague talk enough. He can only hoop and bowl. Like, that's that, like, those are the two things that he brings up. I mean, what is there to do?

I mean, I know y'all don't want to line up. Oh. I am 37. Line up like what? To do what? Like, I probably can stop you. You can't stop me. And we played one, we did once.

In basketball? No, football. Maybe not. Maybe right. Yeah, I've seen you walk in here. I was like, he got a little lint. Yeah, I definitely do. Yeah, I have measured you.

I definitely do. I could get by and I couldn't. 20 years ago, I wouldn't even talk to him. Chan and Fred, they pretty much. Tendon don't work out no more. Yeah. I see them do the bench press. Secret is he could have got one, but he thought zero was funnier.

Respect. Respect. Probably strong as an oxy. Definitely. Oh, yes. But Fred, he's a strong. Natural. She's rules super strong.

I said you're besting with Fred. Hey, he's strong as him. Fred just lost like 20 pounds too, though. Ah, shit. We just lost like, yeah, he's back right. Yeah, Fred's like,

yeah, I've been running hills. Why? Oh, yeah, nah. Would you? Freak times. I'm not going to, I'm not going to, bro. I got you.

I got you in, bro. But also, too, though. We could play pickleball. That would be fun. Pickleball. I'm wrong. That'd be fun. That'd be fun.

They just line it up. Pickleball is single-handedly keeping all orthopedic surgeons busy, though. Oh, that's a fact. Because of the age of the folks, they tear it killies. Yeah. Now, I'm going to tell you all this, though, if I heard something, I'm never forgiving any of y'all. You got to get right. You got to get right. I stop.

That's what I'm just doing right in the post, bro. I'm chilling. All that running, we have, court. It's simple, bro. Now, I pop my calf jumping up on TV the other day. Oh, yeah. I was hurt. Oh, I hurt my soul. Pop's your cat. Yeah, dog. Damn, bro. I'm old. Being old to you.

38? You got a lot of dark hair I feel like you dye your hair I need to rub my shit That's crazy No J.B I mean pause but yeah don't No J.B

He won't He won't gray though I want to be like you Really? I want to blend right there You know what I mean You got your You still got a head here

You got a ton of Yeah bro My parents, my dad was real blessed Bro, he mixed bro He mixed bro He mixed braced I love my mama to death But I definitely got my daddy

Bro, you should You should just do an entire You should do a show with your parents Because your daddy was a neighborhood here My mom would turn this up for real My mama is like No boy I ain't talking about how she's looking at I'm talking about like beautiful woman

I'm saying how she acts My mom's Medea for real bro So that's where my Like my sisters and shit bro Like I've been I joan Like you joan this shit bro That's how I grew up I was since I was four years old, bro.

That's how we met it. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah. He talked about my challenger. He had a, I had a real challenge. He had a fake one.

He had a, what was it? A hell cat. I just had a regular one. I was one. I was one of five in the city with my eyes. So I thought I was doing something. And it was the year of. So, you know what I'm saying?

He stunted on me. He made money. He made money different. But I'm saying, though, he's like, man, who is this nigga? Like, weak-ass car. We're like, my shit loud. We used to go to this shit called Music Mondays He was supposed to start a rap

That was a real shit night Yeah He didn't step into his column for real I did if I would have NBA young boy He had some shit Brune back in the day He was about to be Birdman for real No for sure

Yeah I try to start a rap Birdman ruins every song He's ever been on his whole life Oh whoa whoa whoa no we don't Disrespect I had a rap Number one son and we'll have respect

On this mic RC I can't let you leave With disrespect to Birdman He is the greatest rapper to never supposed to be a rapper of all time. That's not true. Who got better bars? Birdman or Master P?

Master P. Thank you. It's not even close. Master P was a real rapper. I'll take P. But I'm just saying like he wasn't supposed to be a rapper, bro. Dumb? Like did he?

Like did he? Did you hear it? Yeah. No, but I'm saying he made classic albums, bro. Classic verses, bro. Number one son are the five. Yes, bro. You know, big time.

He was him and many fresh. Shit. Yeah, that's your error. Are you. from bro. I love the I love the big timers

I love all we like father like son was that at like the height of Lil Wayne little Wayne's verses on that

on that album that album was a classic if Birdman doesn't have the second verse on every song and I listen that's not a

fuck though listen you gotta write that's a fact Weissie lost his army guns bro wez he lost his mind

on that album I got My first key from my baby mama, brother. And there's a moment in every song that you got to contemplate. Do you go to the next song? Do you fast forward? Are you going to skip Weezy verse the third one? Because that's really the one you've been waiting on.

You got to, when you ride in your car, you're like, damn, this is a dilemma. Like, I don't, and I'm from the N. Thanks. Birdman, legend. No, absolutely. Met him cool as hell. But. Okay, so no limit or cash money.

Ooh. Now are we talking? Because you're from that. I want to be able to go back home. No, they won the versus as a whole, but there we go. Cash money,

they lost. So I will say this. Because how it was played out. It should have been a complex count. Shout to the compass going on. Right. When you take the individual people, the sum,

I mean, like the individual parts of cash money were better. Yes. Right? Lance Lide. The individual, Wayne, Jovey, yes. Yeah, but no limit, without no limit, though, there is no cash money.

Even though cash money was already making music locally, right, BG, right, they were already making music locally. I'm not good, you're good, bro. I love it. That's five toby. Yeah, the N.O. got put on the map with bouted, about it, about it, and all that they did, Mia X. You know what I'm saying?

Like, bro, Master P really had people who wasn't, from New Orleans saying, like that was it. No, staple. Yeah, you know, so I think like that was it. And then when Juvie released 400 degrees, it took New Orleans rap and hip hop to a different level. Like that was, that's kind of

the transition. Like, you need them both. Like, you truly... This is the most New Orleans answer I ever heard. Yeah, he said he tried and go back home. Yeah, he just did a whole spill on bird. Now he wants to bring it back together. See, that's how he get, diggas on the show. Go crazy

When this tour come out They're going to be like, man We got to go do the Piffy People love to cash money But that's that But like For When we talk about the show though, man

Like the fact that I could text Wayne And he's part of the soundtrack To like my life Yeah for sure You know what I'm saying We went home And we did a show with P

at this art museum that's in the city for the Super Bowl. You know what I mean? You tell 17-year-old RC that walked on to LSU's campus that like that's what, like in your life, those people are going to see you and be proud that they're from where you're from, that you're from where they're from.

Like I think like that's the, like that's the dopest part about everything for me, man. Like I was undrafted, you know. And so I had a regular job. After my second year, when Coughlin cut me, but I had a regular job. You know what I'm saying?

I would wake up because I lived on the West Bank of New Orleans, bro. I would wake up, drive an hour, 15, hour, and 30 minutes to LSU, work, workout, drive back home, basically like eat, see my kids for a little bit because I had two at the time, see my babies for a little bit, bro.

Like, go to sleep. I had three at the time. Like, go to sleep, you know what I mean? Wake up, do it again. You know what I mean? And so when Washington actually called me for the work out, I had walked from my office at the Tiger Athletic Foundation, which is where I was working at LSU, to MustChamp. Well, Muschamp, but I was like, hey, how do, like, you sign up or

what's the process of being a grad assistant? Because I'd always wanted to coach. And, you know, I'd actually called my old lady sitting in the office because we had just bought our first house. We got married to something before. And I was like, okay, babe, like, is it possible that you can do your job here? And you could finish school here. Like, we could get an apartment here and so like I was putting everything in place in life to just be like a regular dude you know and I remember I got this book when I got married and it was called the the power of a praying husband right so I just prayed and prayed and I was like you know when you get cut and you a undrafted guy if you played two years you feel like you did something yeah I was like man

at least I had money saved more money than my parents ever had I was like I got a life to start yeah and that night man I prayed and I was like God you know I'm telling everybody I'm cool and I'm sort of cool I was like but I would love an opportunity you know and I was like if you make that happen

I'm good if you don't like I'm so grateful for all you've done for me so I'm walking back from much champ's office I get a call they like hey Washington

I bring you in I go but like I've been working out after work being you know what that workout like right you go in that you do what you

I take the tie off you go in that you do what you can but it ain't a great workout I go to the workout I play really well my drills are great but I'm damn near dying

because I'm tired and at this point I didn't know how sickle cell affected me too yeah right first day of practice we do

we warm up and we do conditioning right out the gate we do 40 up downs then we go get go catch deep passes I damn to die Sean Tello walked over to me

he was like dog like you got to get up cornerbacks coach comes to me bro in the middle of practice in the middle of practices and goes if you don't do something

because he was with me in New York if you don't do something in this next practice, they're going to cut you and just bring somebody in that could at least finish practice. I get two picks in that practice. End up making the team

starter in game four. Me and Sean Taylor start the next two years. Then I go to Pittsburgh and like, that's the rest of life. But during that training camp, at the first cuts, my name was the last name on the list. And you know how it is.

When you get cut, they call you. They tell you, hey, come in. So before all of that happens, right, you're going to have the conversation. So I'm on the phone with my old lady and my wife, like, really from Louisiana. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I spell cuss words. She don't do none of that. She's clicking out. And like I told y'all, though, the day they called me, bro, the night before, I just prayed that I got a chance. So, man, I got on my knees, bro, and I just thanked God for an opportunity.

I was like, if this didn't work out, then this must not be for me. I must have a different thing. I brought my bags in to work the next day. I was telling everybody goodbye, appreciate them. Greg Williams calls me to the office and he goes, if we were picking the team

the day, you'd make the team. The reporter just figured I was going to be cut because they hadn't told them the last name and I was the last one that got the camp. But like I actually wasn't. Damn. You know what I mean? And I always think back to that moment

because I prayed for a certain thing and I had gotten that thing. Yeah. And whether it worked out or not, that wasn't what I prayed for. And like to have that moment with God of gratitude, it kind of shaped the way I saw the rest of my

career because like everything after that moment was extra to me you know what i'm saying like it wasn't promised to me it wasn't what i asked for and so like i always worked in it in that way man and celebrated it like that but yeah man like that was probably in my life like the the turning point because if i don't get that call if i don't make that team obviously i don't become a super bowl champion i'm not in this point at least in this way of my life no for sure man Brian intervention, man. Yeah, sort of like that. True journey, man.

For sure. Sean Taylor was that. He's the one. Legend for sure. He's the one. His daughter's a really good volleyball player now at North Carolina. Yeah, she's doing a really, really good job. For sure, man.

Shout to the family. Big dog. We appreciate you. Bless you. Man, appreciate your boys, bro. Appreciate you. Blessing for sure. I'm going to go to the airport.

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