Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Shelvin Mack on playing with Jeff Teague on Hawks, facing LeBron’s Cavs, Kobe scoring 60

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 11 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Shelvin Mack. The guys discuss Shelvin Mack’s Butler run in the NCAA tournament where they made the n...ational championship in back-to-back seasons, and had the city of Indianapolis on fire. Mack speaks on playing for Brad Stevens, and tells a WILD STORY of having to practice the day after the NCAA Championship game. Mack also talks about being part of Kobe Bryant's 60-point game with the Jazz, and what he remembers from that iconic moment in NBA history. Plus, don't miss Shelvin on his Pro-Am game with John Wall and Demarcus Cousins, hooping with Jeff Teague on the Atlanta Hawks, losing to LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers in the playoffs, and becoming good friends with rapper 2 Chainz in Atlanta. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. The Volume. All right, we back. Another episode of Club 520 Podcast. I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. Special guest on the build-up. Returning guest, if you know, you know.
Starting point is 00:00:17 You know what I'm saying? Back in our OG 520 days. We're going to introduce my man's last. To my far left, my dog, Bishop B. Hand out the prillies. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. Let's get to it, baby. Hey, T the prillies. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. Let's get to it, baby.
Starting point is 00:00:27 Hey, T. It's crazy. You know what I'm saying? We started this podcast. My boy was in the Black Forces, White Laces. You know what I'm saying? Now he just taking fines every week, and he got shut up today in the all-whites, man. He don't care, man.
Starting point is 00:00:36 He don't care no more. Check that cash, man. He don't care no more. I'm going to fuck that chick, man. Introduce that nigga so we can go, man. DoorDash. DoorDash chick came in. That's how he act. That's crazy. Finally. That's a quick return, man. Introduce that nigga so we can go. Door dash. Door dash chick came in. That's how you act.
Starting point is 00:00:45 That's crazy. Finally. That's a quick return. It wasn't that quick. Tell my right and my dog, young Nacho, young Tig. How you doing, man? I'm chilling, bro. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:00:56 We got a homie in the building. One of my closest teammates. One of my favorite teammates. But I got to say something before we start. Our buddy had a job messed up in Lexington. Oh, yeah. I seen little homie. It was Donovan Mitchell's coach. Whoever he is.
Starting point is 00:01:12 Don't ever disrespect. I don't think he watched a lot of basketball. Jasper Johnson. That's the young kid. He's top 10 in the country. Yeah, and he tried to disrespect Lexington like that. And saying, who's Shelvin Mack? You're gonna find out. What are you talking about? But he was to find out what he's talking about.
Starting point is 00:01:27 But he was about it though, though, for real. I ain't going to hold y'all. He was. That's crazy. That was about it, though. I don't know who flexing harder today. Him with the off-whites
Starting point is 00:01:33 or you with the T-Scots? He's like paper, though. I'm hooping him. Man, that's who we got. Nigga going to die if he hooping him. I guess we are not seeing
Starting point is 00:01:44 you in the Big 3 next week. On my mama. We are not seeing a new victory next week. On my mama. Not next week. Next week. Cincinnati. All right, man. But to my left, like I said,
Starting point is 00:01:52 returning against family at the show. One of the coldest college basketball players of all time. My man. From the legs going crazy. Shelvin Mack.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Big dog. Appreciate you sliding on us again, homie. Yes, sir, man. Appreciate you having me. I love your podcast, what y'all doing. Listen to all the stories. All of them true. A lot of people think
Starting point is 00:02:11 they're not true, but most of them are true. I lived it, been around it, seen it all. You've been a part of them stories, you know what I'm saying? They ain't made it. That's why we got this episode. The crazy part is, man, the six degrees of separation with you in this episode and the whole gang is funny. Y'all got to talk to him about how
Starting point is 00:02:28 you first met Shell, man. It's a reason why, because that's how he met T and vice versa. This one right here, I met him, he had on a black shirt, some football jeans. I was flexing.
Starting point is 00:02:43 It sounds about right, Fat Albert. Fat Albert jeans. I was flexing. It sounds about right, Fat Albert. Fat Albert jeans. My God, this is 2008. This is 2008. You know, my dude, Barry. Shout out to my dog, Barry. He was cutting bro hair. And then, you know,
Starting point is 00:02:56 she just wanted to link up with the black people. I didn't know he was going to the NBA. I had him in the trenches getting his hair cut. Yeah. He was at the Dice Games, at the Trap. I had him in the trenches getting his hair cut. Yeah. He was at the Dice Games at the Trap. I got put in office plenty of times
Starting point is 00:03:09 everyone thinking thinking something different of being on Butler's campus all the time. Yeah. Shout out to Brad Stevens, man, I love you. They thought I was trapping.
Starting point is 00:03:18 I had the 26s on the 300. The funny part about that is you look like Ice Cube, bro. On J.D. Promotes. Damn, you in the bullet hole of the 300. My shit was you look like Ice Cube bro on Janky Promotes damn my shit was way better than Cube no Janky but yeah
Starting point is 00:03:31 I had you know I took care of my dog wives here I wouldn't have had him in them type of situations if I knew he was going to the league
Starting point is 00:03:38 like but he was always good with me and he a Tremors legend yeah he had me in Tremors was Keyshawn was it Duke
Starting point is 00:03:44 who we went to go see you was over at getting to it nah I took you to Waka Flocka yeah and he a Tremors legend. Yeah, he had me in Tremors. Was Keyshawn? Was it Duke? Who? We went to go see. You was over at Gantt's. No, I took you to Waka Flocka. Yeah. And Tremors? You did not want my boy to go to the draft.
Starting point is 00:03:53 Nah, he was trying to get you. He put you in the draft. Nah, Shell was in the trenches of Indianapolis. But Butler is right in my ghetto. So, you know, it was right there. 38th Street.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Yeah. Man, that was so funny about it because when we was at Butler, like, it was, like, funny to see people come to the school. And, you know, the Panthers at Butler don't tell you anything south of 42nd Street. They just show you that Butler bubble, which is a for real bubble out the way. If you didn't know, you wouldn't know. But when my roommate told me he walked to that gas station on 38th and Illinois. With the McDonald's?
Starting point is 00:04:21 Yes. Trippin'. Yeah, he was trying to get it. yes tripping yeah he was trying to get it tripping he was trying to get put put to sleep
Starting point is 00:04:28 he was trying to make that that his last that was going to be his last McChicken I don't know where he was on
Starting point is 00:04:36 ultra frown shit but it's so funny like you said that brother bubble you safe over there but outside of that it get spooky so y'all linking up
Starting point is 00:04:42 over there was funny and I was on campus at the time and I remember him pulling up Butler PD knew this nigga by heart, but with the cars, man, that was crazy. They really thought you was trapping out there. And Butler people telling on
Starting point is 00:04:54 me. He said I was giving them liquor and all kinds of stuff. Like, it was crazy. I wasn't even 21 yet, for real. But I was over there partying, you know, make sure my guy was straight. Shout out to my dog Emerson Grant. Just saw Ron, Ron, coaching for Atlanta. my guy was straight. Shout out to my dog, Emerson, Grant. Just saw Ron, Ron, coaching for Atlanta. Shout out to Ron.
Starting point is 00:05:09 Shout out to Coach Norad. Yeah, shout out to Gordon. Oh, my gosh. My boy, Avery Jukes, too. That's my dog, too. Me and Avery Jukes used to, well, I can't speak too much on that, but my dog used to be like Jukes. Yeah, I know what's going on. No maddening.
Starting point is 00:05:25 We used to have him going on marinas. Shout out to my dog, Jukester. Jukester. Man, before we talk about the college days, man, we got to talk about high school. You know what I'm saying? You from Lexington. Went crazy in high school.
Starting point is 00:05:38 All the time we scored at your high school. He the high school coach. How would you feel having to play on your team that scored the most buckets in program history he a gun I'm a lay with shit I know he a gun I ain't nah man
Starting point is 00:05:51 I'm playing with you and I only had eight minutes to get out of it I'm seeing Jeff walking down the sideline I gotta put this thing up I'm coming out the game
Starting point is 00:05:59 but no just being very aggressive going out there trying to score I knew something I just had to do to get to the next level. But then playing in the NBA, like with Jeff, other good point guards, being a backup for the majority of the time,
Starting point is 00:06:12 you got to get it in where you can. And, you know, I love Jeff, you know, being the starting point guard, one of my good friends. He'd tell me every time, shoot that thing. Facts. Yeah, so. Facts. We got to talk about that. We're going to go back
Starting point is 00:06:26 to the college days, of course, because you're one of the coldest college players of all time. How did y'all meet? Me and Shell? Yeah. It's because of B.Han. B.Han used to come to Atlanta when I played for the Hawks. Shell was still in college. B.Han would come in like,
Starting point is 00:06:42 my nigga Shell would kill you. I'm like god who is Shell he like Shell and Mack play for Butler he's acting like that coach he's like
Starting point is 00:06:49 no he been college I'm talking about Coach Gray you saw that too I've been going viral the past few weeks it was like
Starting point is 00:06:56 uh that's where they bust your ass yeah but you was trying to tell me that like Butler was good and all this shit
Starting point is 00:07:03 and I'm like it's better than Wake Forest. Wow, long shot. Y'all just had played in Horizon League. They lost to Cleveland. Y'all lost to a Horizon League team. Cleveland State. That was our problem. Finish your story. It was North Dakota.
Starting point is 00:07:15 North Dakota got in. We ain't taking serious. Finish your story. We was like shout out to North. I fuck with him. So he talking crazy We about to Shel's getting drafted We having a
Starting point is 00:07:30 Pick up game It was a lockout year Pro-am baby So I see Shelvin McName On the list Of the opposite team We about to play I marked that
Starting point is 00:07:40 Yeah he's getting killed today We in Indianapolis He don't even know Yeah he don't know He don't know nothing. But he's marked. As soon as he get on the court, I go at him full speed. Dunking. I'm talking crazy.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Definitely did. And I'm pointing at B.H. And like every time, like this. Shale don't know what's going on. I'm not talking to him. I'm not trying to be his friend. Shale think he in the charity game. I'm not, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:03 I'm not a pro-am player. I do all day right there. But some context for the story. Getting busy with it. I'm not trying to be his friend. She'll be here at the charity game. I'm not, yeah. I'm not a pro-am player. I do all day right there. But some context for the story. Getting busy with it. This pro-am was like one of the bigger matchups. It was Indianapolis.
Starting point is 00:08:12 It was what? Goodman? The D.C. pro-am. So you had John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins. They all came to town. It was an all-Indiana team put together.
Starting point is 00:08:21 So it was a really big deal. Yeah. If you ever see the highlights, it's crazy as fuck. I'm sure they clip it up. But for B.H. to line you up like that in that it was a really big deal. Yeah. If you ever see the highlights, it's crazy as fuck. I'm sure they clip it up. But for B-Han to line you up like that in that series of a game is crazy. It's very,
Starting point is 00:08:29 it's a lockout. I ain't never played in the NBA. I don't know what's going on. I hop on the court. I took a shot like, boom! No, everybody was hating on Butler at that time.
Starting point is 00:08:42 But you, you cooked me that time. I was just, it wasn't even you I got you back though before when? I chased you down you got that block you got that
Starting point is 00:08:55 I was like bro it led on to me it never stopped until you got on the team when I got traded to Utah I gave y'all that work ooh in Utah
Starting point is 00:09:07 okay are you sure we talking about when you stumbled we can pull up the clips he talking about when you stumbled I don't remember that
Starting point is 00:09:15 you gotta pull that up I don't remember that no we got somebody that can pull that up y'all gonna pull it up I'm gonna see all that shit I made you all stumble and I shimmy and hit the three in the corner it up. I'm gonna see all that shit. I'm gonna see how I stumbled. And I'm shitting me
Starting point is 00:09:25 and hit the three in the corner. It's crazy. I don't remember that. Oh, I didn't. It's all right. We'll clip it up. Okay. We'll clip it up.
Starting point is 00:09:31 What you had at game, Shiel? I know, I guess, when I first got traded from Atlanta, I was just going hard. Same thing. I'm not sure what I had, but I know I played well
Starting point is 00:09:41 when I was playing against my former team. Oh, no. I just remember when you were starting. I know there was gonna be a well when I was playing against my former team. I just remember when you were starting. I know there was going to be a drop. When you were starting
Starting point is 00:09:48 and I came back, maybe the next year, because after I killed you, I went to your house and beat you in the mat. Damn! This boy telling all kinds of stories.
Starting point is 00:09:58 He get on the mic and start talking crazy. I was like, damn! That is crazy. You got to watch behavior. You got to watch behavior. You got to watch behavior. No,
Starting point is 00:10:08 my dog, the first time we played, y'all, you did hoop though. I remember I was hype. I was like, damn, she hooping.
Starting point is 00:10:13 Yeah. That's crazy. The second time we played in Utah because Bud was mad. He was like, you know how he is. Are you going to play
Starting point is 00:10:23 for real tonight? Because you're friends on the team oh here we go but he did that to my little brother too all that to say
Starting point is 00:10:30 I'm the reason why they friends today he the reason me and Shel started hanging out I brought him together definitely did y'all welcome man
Starting point is 00:10:38 we had a lot of great time a lot of Sprite dirty dirty Sprite not no not no Sprite it was just it was just tequila and Sprite. Dirty Sprite. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:10:49 It was just tequila and Sprite. We used to talk over the game and stuff. For sure, man. Team Dennis was lit. Lit. Team Dennis was lit, for sure. Y'all the hell of a team. But before we get to the NBA draft process,
Starting point is 00:10:59 we got to talk about what you did in college, bro. Like I said, one of the most underrated college players of all time. I was on campus when y'all went to two back-to-back national championship games, and you was a very big part of that, bro. That's one of the best runs in college basketball history. For sure. Which run was crazier, the first one or the second one? To me, I would say the second one. The first one, we was actually really, really good
Starting point is 00:11:21 with Gordon on the team. I think we won like 20 games in a row. The second one, snuck in like an AC, just thugged it out, you know how to win, close games. John, you're Matt Howard.
Starting point is 00:11:33 And we won every game, the second one, by like last second play. Remember the foul I had against Pittsburgh at half court? It was like one of the worst fouls in NCAA history. Facts, I'll tell you that. Bull.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Boy, if it was DraftKings back then, boy, you was selling. He was supposed to be cut off at the double. That was rough. Fouling him. So, we won that game. Yeah. Because Matt Howard got fouled. Then also, VCU.
Starting point is 00:12:02 Mm-hmm. Not VCU. Old Dominion played against Bays. We beat them on the last second shot. Shot to Kent. Yeah. We just kept winning at the end, just squeaking by. Then we got to the championship.
Starting point is 00:12:13 It was kind of ugly, as you know. That was tired, bro. Yeah, yeah. I mean, y'all went up against a really good team, though. It was a bad game, though. I went to that game. It was horrible. It was a long story. Very ugly game.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Ugly game. And to be fair, y'all ran into one of the best runs in basketball here in history. Kimba Walker's run through the Big East to the National Tournament. That was one of the best runs you will ever see in basketball.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Yes. Six games in six days in the Big East and then this willingness team in a tournament. It was special. It was definitely special. What was the old boy named White Skin Shabazz
Starting point is 00:12:47 no no no the other one Jeremy Lamb Jeremy Lamb wow yeah he was special for sure
Starting point is 00:12:54 that's the reason why y'all lost he was cold she'll run that butler though it was really unbelievable though bring that little
Starting point is 00:13:02 school from Indianapolis to have them nation wow but the the most fun was like playing her at um though bring that little school from Indianapolis to have them nation wow but the most fun was like playing her
Starting point is 00:13:09 at Lucas Oil for the championship that was crazy that I was there that Duke game was one of the craziest games ever
Starting point is 00:13:17 I sat next to all Duke fans and they didn't say a fucking word until that shot missed off the bank off the rim bro that was a really good game. And I still
Starting point is 00:13:26 hate Kyle Singer to this day because of that game. Kyle Singer has never played. I mean, Kyle Singer was cold. Don't get it fucked up. Obviously made it to the league. But that was the best game I've ever seen him play in his life. He hit every elbow jump shot that game, bro. Yeah, they had a great game plan. I don't know if you game planning like that. But they had only
Starting point is 00:13:41 teamed up for Gordon to go right. He had to go right for that last shot and missed it. You know, they just did a good job. But it was a hell of a run, a hell of a game. One thing I do remember, Coach Stevens had us going to class on Championship Monday at 10 a.m. Wow. Out of pocket, Coach. Yeah, talk to him, man.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Out of pocket. That's why y'all lost. You might have to go to class. Wake Forest? Wouldn't happen.. You might go to class. Wake Forest? Wouldn't happen. We didn't go to class on Monday anyway. We just had Monday. Chef said Monday.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Chef said Monday. You ain't going for show, huh? What? That went to class? That's crazy. It went to class. Everyone did. We had a shuttle going back and forth.
Starting point is 00:14:24 And y'all was downtown at a hotel. Y'all wasn't even on campus. I remember that. That's crazy. I would definitely not went to class. What? I'm sure Brad learned from that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:34 He learned from that. Did y'all do anything the next year? We was in, what's the name? We was in Houston. I mean, did y'all have like study hall and stuff? Nah, at Butler, nah. I learned. Nah, but I was hoping
Starting point is 00:14:47 I ain't taking study hall. I never had study hall. We recruited the right people. You don't have to do all that stuff. Take care of your business. Y'all didn't have study hall at Butler? Nah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:57 You didn't go to school for real. Nah, we did our work, man. Nah, he's saying they didn't have to have study hall. Why you have study hall? Because... I had 3.2 in college.
Starting point is 00:15:05 I still have study hall. You had to get enough hours. That's crazy. You had to have like eight hours a week. Like mandatory. You don't care if you had straight A's or not. I didn't know that. You finished your degree?
Starting point is 00:15:16 Boy, now I went to the NBA. Those niggas say, now you in my business. I just finished mine up. That's why I was asked. It took me 10 years to do it, but I got it done. Let's see,
Starting point is 00:15:30 Butler, let's try to go back for free. MBPA. Oh, y'all should have did that route too. Because Butler charged y'all. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:38 That's crazy, right? What? That's what Wake Forest do. Butler owe you reparations. I mean, Wake don't owe him nothing. Brother owe you a lot of chicken.
Starting point is 00:15:49 They owe you reparations. I was a student there, and I remember tuition going up 10 grand each year that we went to a national championship. That's about right. I should have did the NBA. I can still do that route, but the way this podcast set up in school, I don't really know, man. It add up really,
Starting point is 00:16:09 I don't know. Yeah, they ain't a bullet out of pocket, bro. Y'all brought a lot to that program, bro. All of y'all. Nah, for real, though. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:16:15 Y'all should have got honorary degrees. But Grant, the new AD, Grant Line Decker came in and helped me out. Okay. That's my dog.
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Starting point is 00:16:52 $200 in bonus bets. All the own DraftKings. The crown is yours. Tap in the right way. That is crazy though. They make you go pay to go back to school. My first summer, they told me to pay I wait for it. It was $17,000. I said Yeah, I go pay to go back to school. My first summer, they told me to pay away for it. It was $17,000. I said, yeah,
Starting point is 00:17:08 I'm just not going back to school. I tried to transfer to IUPUI. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I swear to God, I tried to transfer to IUPUI.
Starting point is 00:17:20 They probably treated him like Everest College, bro. That was like, some of my credits wouldn't transfer there. They was like, you're going to be a freshman. I'm like, damn. That was like some of my critics wouldn't transfer to here. They was like, you're going to be a freshman. I'm like, damn. What class was I taking?
Starting point is 00:17:30 What class was I taking? That's crazy. But obviously, man, your college career was insane. Yeah. You cleared for the drive. How was that process? I know you probably had to do a lot of workouts. How was that?
Starting point is 00:17:41 Yeah. Mine was completely different than Jeff. Jeff going lottery. going lottery uh go lottery i had to work out damn near it's better than me i had i had a workout for like 20 teams and my class was like loaded i would say hello um who was your class kairi clay kawai jimmy bulla Klay Kawhi Jimmy Butler Norris Kimba Kimba Cardiac
Starting point is 00:18:09 yeah it was the Morris twins it was it was stacked that was legit Isaiah Thomas he was the last so like
Starting point is 00:18:18 we all just had a beller out throughout the no on the combo especially coming from Butler no we went to Nassau Championship, but we didn't play
Starting point is 00:18:27 a lot of projections. We played a certain style so people couldn't really see how it was. And no, everybody was like, it was fat, too. Better go in
Starting point is 00:18:34 and show my body, y'all. Oh, that's crazy. Pause. That sound like a slave. That's a Diddy workout. Nah, nah, nah, nah. It's like a slave trade, bro. Come on, bro.
Starting point is 00:18:44 Nah, it's just, you know, he had the baggy clothes and all that. For sure, for sure. I mean, we wasn't Nike elite apart from how
Starting point is 00:18:51 Wake Forest was. That stuff was a little baggy, so. Y'all was better at Nike school than us, for sure. I mean, we was a test Nike school,
Starting point is 00:18:59 so I apologize. Y'all remember I got them bullet jerseys to ring my neck and be down here like this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:06 It was nasty. That's crazy. Y'all didn't, Mike Green wore them jerseys. That's his name, right? Yeah. Yeah, y'all had the same jersey. I remember, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:13 I remember, yeah. So. But you get drafted by D.C. and you was at D.C. at a really good time. I mean, so you had that. Oh, calm down.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Calm down. What? Good time for D.C. It was a good time for D.C. to have the rebuild mode get into it. It was more than a rebuild mode. First year, lockout year,
Starting point is 00:19:36 started off 0-18. Yeah. Rough. So, I don't know what to say. It wasn't a good time you should tell people how the lockout worked though like as a young guy
Starting point is 00:19:48 that was getting drafted you got no money and you get drafted to the NBA and now you gotta figure it out for what three, four months like four or five months
Starting point is 00:19:58 I was still here in Indy working out trying to get my degree then got thrown at Hibachi with him in the program in the league. But it was real tough.
Starting point is 00:20:07 You got to stay ready. You never know what's going to happen. And, you know, you just got to be up and ready to move in a second.
Starting point is 00:20:13 But when I got there, the team was kind of, wasn't the best team ever put together. I can say that. And I just kind of had to figure out and fly out some great vets
Starting point is 00:20:24 to help me together because the team, I'm telling you, the team was like, wow. Started off 0-18 and then we was playing Philly because the lockout was very close. We was playing Philly like every other week. Three times when they had Lou, L and Drew, Dre.
Starting point is 00:20:40 It was just, it wasn't a good matchup for us. Yeah. You had some good nights in D.C., though. Definitely had some good nights. You know, as a rookie, going in, I'm pretty sure y'all
Starting point is 00:20:50 haven't heard some stories especially about that team. Yeah. I'll leave it at that. Who was your vets on that team? On that team? So, I had Roger Mason
Starting point is 00:20:59 and also Rashard Lewis. Okay. Rashard, the coach, Lou. And Mo Evans. You played with Mo. I played with Mo. Yeah, yeah. So, they, you know, Lou. And Mo Evans. You played with Mo. I played with Mo. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:21:05 yeah. So they, you know, took me on if they wing and let me understand this ain't how the NBA works. continue to work, be a good pro.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Crazy thing, all of them second round picks too. Like Rashad, I'm going to say Mace was and just grinding. So, it was there to help me out a lot. For sure.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Now, obviously, Did you like that team? What, that Washington team? Yeah, it was put together? No, y'all definitely out a lot. For sure. Now, obviously Did you like that team? What, that Washington team? Yeah, it was put together? Nah, y'all definitely needed a lot of work, you know what I'm saying? But it was just a crazy ass team. I just wanted you to bring it up because I remember y'all had a crazy streak, man. That's a crazy way to get into the NBA.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Yeah, it was I went 18, flip Sondra was the coach, he got fired. A lot of young guys trying to figure it out. Now you go from the first bench to Washington. What's the next team
Starting point is 00:21:48 you went to right after that? I went to the main Red Claws. Had to go back to the G League drawing board, work it out. Killed there, though. Yeah. That was crazy.
Starting point is 00:21:58 I was putting up some good numbers, playing in Doc Rivers' system. That's when he was in Boston. So I was basically putting up the same numbers like Rondo. System. That's when he was in Boston. So I was basically putting up the same numbers like Rondo. Rondo was like
Starting point is 00:22:07 20, 15 and 18. I was more of a scorer, so I was getting like 30, 10 and 12. That meant a lot. I actually did two 10 days
Starting point is 00:22:17 with Philly. Then I ended up going to Atlanta nicking up with this guy. Yes, sir. We have for the next three, four
Starting point is 00:22:24 years, I would say. Yeah. I remember the first day you came. I was like, okay. Like, I don't fuck with him. Like, you know what I mean? In my head, like, oh, he coming to the scene. He still on it.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Like, he about to play? He ain't about to play. Like, that's what my mind said was. Then when I got to knowing him, it was like, I mean, he cool as hell. And I wanted to do everything I could to, like, help him. I wanted to knowing him, it was like, he cool as hell. And I wanted to do everything I could to help him. I wanted to see him kill. And we had like a group hate.
Starting point is 00:22:52 You got something to add? Nah, nah, nah. We just bonded over some things. So it was like, cool. It was me, you, and a lot of other people. It felt the same way. Yeah, we just bonded. He said group hate. Yeah, we had a group hate. So it was like, you, and a lot of other people. It felt the same way. Yeah, we just bonded. He said, go for it.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Yeah, we had a group hate, so it was like, all right. Hold on, was Shell on the Little Giants run? Yeah. Oh, okay. Shell was the, what'd you call it? The Little Giants run. That's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:23:17 That's the one T-Bone run in the league. Is that what you called it? We won 20 games in a row. Oh, I was on that team. Yeah, okay. That was fun. We had a lot of fun. Too much fun. I remember when Shell, I was on that team. Yeah, okay. That was fun. We had a lot of fun. Too much fun.
Starting point is 00:23:27 I remember when Shell, I was like, Shell about to get paid. We played in the playoffs against the Pacers and I didn't get to sit back in the game because Shell and Mike
Starting point is 00:23:34 was hooping. I remember that. I was like, damn, they killing. We went back home for game six and I smoked it. My bad, bro. I let you down, bro. Y'all won game five for us. I went and I smoked it. My bad, bro.
Starting point is 00:23:45 I let you down, bro. Y'all won game five for us. I went home and smoked it. That was the 8-1 matchup. We were supposed to win that. Yeah, we were supposed to win that. I smoked that one. Hey.
Starting point is 00:23:54 I did y'all job, bro. You and Mike was clowning that game. Yeah, but that team was so special just because everyone, like, got along off the court. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:24:03 You know, we had the real ones in the front playing Boo Ray. We had the real ones in the front playing Boo Ray. We had the other ones in the back playing Uno. For sure. Where was you at, Jeff? I was playing Uno.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Ah. I was playing Uno. I'm browing the Uno cards. Browing the Uno cards. Well, now there's a great team that's hanging out with everybody. You went to the Atlanta guy. I mean, you went to Atlanta
Starting point is 00:24:19 and got settled, for real. Got you a crib and everything. I knew you was... Once you bought that crib, I'm like, yeah, he like, he love Atlanta. He ain't going nowhere. you bought that crib I'm like yeah he like he love Atlanta he ain't going nowhere he like then
Starting point is 00:24:27 I'm still there to this day tapped in with the city now I get a lot of love there like it's a special place in my heart yeah sure
Starting point is 00:24:35 mine's too for different reasons nah I mean I grew up there I went from a little kid to a man in Atlanta
Starting point is 00:24:44 so that's all it got a special place for me I met some I grew up there. I went from a little kid to a man in Atlanta. So that's all. It got a special place for me. I met some long-lasting friendships there. Shea, do you think that team could have won the championship if LeBron wasn't in the East? Hell yeah. Yeah, if LeBron wasn't playing, yeah. Y'all could have won the championship.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Yeah. We beat everybody else. Who were y'all facing in the finals? Golden State. Nah, they wouldn't like that yet. They wouldn't like that yet. They wouldn't, they wouldn't like that.
Starting point is 00:25:09 They wouldn't like that yet. They wouldn't. Wasn't it Golden State? Yeah, they wasn't them yet. That's the first year they won it. Y'all beating that team?
Starting point is 00:25:18 Fuck no. That wasn't, that wasn't, they wasn't them yet. They was still like. Brian didn't win it the year they beat us though, didn't he?
Starting point is 00:25:23 Nah, they lost at Golden State. Remember, everybody was hurt. LeBron, Kyrie hurt his knee. Yeah, all right. Yeah, so what make you think y'all was going in? What did he just say?
Starting point is 00:25:31 Everybody was hurt. It wasn't a full team. They're full roster. I know, but that's LeBron and them, not y'all. Like, what? You ain't like
Starting point is 00:25:40 our four all-stars? All right, let's mash it up. Let's have fun. You ain't like our four all-stars? Let's have fun. That's what we're here for. They just wasn't them.
Starting point is 00:25:46 They wasn't them yet. Jeff, definitely supposed to be an all-star. Al, for sure, supposed to be an all-star. PM,
Starting point is 00:25:56 for sure. Now, who else? Who are you slighting? Now, Freaky Cal. Cool. I ain't mad at it.
Starting point is 00:26:03 You went on the run. You helped him. Jeff, I say you the real MVP of the team. I didn't mad at it. You went on the run. You helped him. Jeff say you the real MVP of the team. I didn't play in the NBA. Take your 26 All-Star jersey. Run with it, bro.
Starting point is 00:26:12 I get it. But when we get to the finals, 4-1, bro. That's nasty work right there. 4-1, bro. Sean Livingston, Harrison Barnes, Andre Iguodala, Stephen Curry. Dre won the 18th, was he?
Starting point is 00:26:30 Yeah. He was on it. Yeah, Dre. Draymond Green. It's Christmas, yeah. But, see, we played them. We went one. It was even.
Starting point is 00:26:38 We beat them in Atlanta. They beat us in Gose. Fair enough, bro. Y'all beat a lot of teams. You got a great memory, man. Y'all won 61 games he definitely had like 35 but we beat him y'all had a y'all had a good team bro y'all y'all really did bro i just don't know we just matched up because we switched one through five. Do you think we would
Starting point is 00:27:05 get to the finals if LeBron wasn't playing? Oh, I mean, look, that run was magical, bro. That Jeremy Lin run was magical. I was getting there for sure.
Starting point is 00:27:14 The thing about LeBron, we just didn't have nobody to match up with LeBron. No facts. So Golden State, this was before they found
Starting point is 00:27:22 all their superpowers. Like, only... They got there, they did it as a... Yeah, only Steph. Only Steph found all their superpowers. They got there, they did it as an all. We can do this. And then it took off to a whole nother level. Steph had his superpowers. Clay was coming into this. Everybody else was still they wasn't all the way there yet.
Starting point is 00:27:37 We matched up cool with them because we could switch one through five with them. We couldn't switch with Bron. I can't switch on Bron, man. It's fucking Christmas. I just think Sean Lipson would have been the X Factor, with them. We couldn't switch with Bron. Like, I can't switch on Bron, man. It's fucking Christmas. Yeah. I just think Sean Lipson would have been the X Factor, bro.
Starting point is 00:27:48 We smooth. We had shit. We straight. You could have posted that big check. I love shit. But Sean Lipson 6'7". We shooting right over.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Yeah, bro. We living with the mid-range. He gonna knock them in, too. Yeah. I agree with that. We shooting threes, man. We started that three-point shit. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Oh, shit. The five-man shooting threes. That that Three point shit Oh man Oh shit The five man shooting threes That was us That was out On the pocket When he held that thing Like that Elman Perro
Starting point is 00:28:12 Started that three point Shooting Green bro Shout out to the Ellen Hawks bros At 14 Shout out to my guys Man
Starting point is 00:28:20 Alright man Give us some love That was uh That was actually A really fun time Cause also music Was just popping crazy at that time. That's what I wanted to ask y'all. I mean, that run was crazy, but at the same time when y'all was in Atlanta, the new wave
Starting point is 00:28:33 of Atlanta artists is going crazy. You got Future reaching his pinnacle. You got Migos coming out. Y'all got to see them early on. How was that? Because I imagine, we already know how Atlanta went. Off the court was probably way better than on the court at that time period because they had bankroll fresh. Everybody was
Starting point is 00:28:47 getting their run at that time. She'll went really outside. I was outside. Yeah, I'm sure you were. I'm on 10 days and not guaranteed. He wasn't outside. I'm like this. I was outside.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Crazy thing is I'm real good friends was outside crazy thing is I'm real good friends with 2 Chainz with KY my dude does his engineering so the first day Bud got the job
Starting point is 00:29:12 me and Chainz in the private facility in the back working out Bud come in he don't know anything about like the hip hop scene music
Starting point is 00:29:19 so I go to Chainz sit down I was like I'm still on my 10 day not guaranteed time I was like hey man you gotta do this cut all these people and like it's like my home he think it's like, like I'm still on my 10 day not guaranteed term. It's like, hey man, you got to do this.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Cut all these people up. And like, it's like my home. He think it's like my homeboy telling this. It's like, who the hell is this? I'm like,
Starting point is 00:29:32 you about to be out of here. Like, who's this telling me all of this? So I had a good chance. Hey bro, you got, you got shit. Like,
Starting point is 00:29:41 he don't know who you are. Hey, don't mess my stuff up. I know you're on the College Park Skyhawks. I ain't trying to go there right now, shit. Like, he don't know who you are. Don't mess my stuff up. I know you're on the College Park Skyhawks. I ain't trying to go there right now, man. Chase, I'm going to fuck up the play. I'm going to take my boy out.
Starting point is 00:29:54 True. And I'm just, it's funny because I can imagine BuzzFeed's like not giving an entire fuck about it. Oh, you got it all. He probably has a marker right here and shit. He over there telling them to cut people on rookie deal on the 10. I wish I could see his face, though. Imagine coming in like, you don't know who this dude is.
Starting point is 00:30:13 No, we just walk in and we just hanging out. It's like, is Shelly's homeboy serious? And Bud, funny as hell. He probably had that. Who the fuck? he probably had that. What the fuck? He definitely had that.
Starting point is 00:30:27 He was like, what the fuck? Who the fuck Shelton think he is? Get this guy the fuck out of here. But Shelton was at birthday bash and shit. He wasn't all the way inside. When I say inside, I mean like Shelton, when he got established in Atlanta, you know, he had a family.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Yeah. So he wouldn't go out with us. Like, I'd be like, sure, you coming out? He'd be like, nah,
Starting point is 00:30:47 player. I'd be, I'd be, be going back to the arena. Every time, every time I go back to the arena, we kind of live
Starting point is 00:30:55 in the same spot, same area. We drive. Where'd you see that? Where'd you see that? I look up, I look up, I see a red Camaro.
Starting point is 00:31:04 I keep on going. Where the red Camaro at, you see? I look up, I see a red Camaro. I keep on going. What a red Camaro, actually. I ain't going to say all that. You can not lose a baloon. I don't want that deal. I had my jersey hanging on to me. Every time in the cage. That's a wild boy.
Starting point is 00:31:22 That's a crazy after party. I just got a chicken all the way there I see chicken wings bro yeah you know sometimes you don't
Starting point is 00:31:31 play a lot like in the league you go upstairs and work out yeah so I go up break him a workout in
Starting point is 00:31:36 he didn't play 30 minutes he out he gone I'm driving home at the light you smell the chicken wings from the street
Starting point is 00:31:44 bro oh fuck y'all crazy I was just at the light. You can smell the chicken wings from the street, bro. Oh, fuck. Y'all crazy, man. That's funny as hell, man. That was my spot, though. Yeah. Obviously, you know what I'm saying? Atlanta was very well for you.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Established yourself as a player in this league. Then you get a chance to go to, you know what I'm saying, a different situation to get some more minutes. How was that going to Utah for you career wise? It was great I was just having a relationship with with Quinn
Starting point is 00:32:09 he was part of the staff in Atlanta so he kind of knew my skill sets and know what I was capable of doing then it's also just having opportunities
Starting point is 00:32:17 going and just like play right away and start it's been a great team in Atlanta you always have a lot of good players you know Jeff's a good player didn't watch it didn't show it at the time so it's kind a great team in Atlanta you always have a lot of good players you know Jeff was a good player
Starting point is 00:32:25 didn't watch it yet Dennis Schroeder at the time so it's kind of tough to get minutes consistently you know there's got to be a pro be ready but I also
Starting point is 00:32:34 want to appreciate Atlanta but for allowing me to go could be selfish you know just have me sitting there because you just never know somebody can get hurt or any situation
Starting point is 00:32:42 but they allowed me to to move on and you know develop my game. That's fire. And it's not too, you don't see, it's not too common to see organizations do right by people. And when they do, sometimes they may be handpicking with that, but for them to show you love like that,
Starting point is 00:32:56 to put you in a situation where you can actually play is fire. Like you said, that's our first time going back at each other, you know what I'm saying? When he got to Utah, that first game. I was so happy for him, man, to see him get a chance to be the starter,
Starting point is 00:33:07 do his thing. He had a good game against us. But I think we probably won, though. We won? I can't remember. It don't matter. When you kill,
Starting point is 00:33:18 you don't even give a fuck you might lose. Sometimes I ain't gonna hold you. In the regular season, you be like, I killed y'all, though. So he probably had a good game. I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:33:26 If I get eight, I'm killing. Oh, he at eight? Oh, shit. He going to kill him? Nah,
Starting point is 00:33:35 it's transition. I can't start on the first day of getting there. We played y'all like right away. Yeah, you did. Oh, yeah,
Starting point is 00:33:41 you did get traded and play right away. Yeah, you right, you did. That was the crazy part. I was in practice. I couldn't get no reps
Starting point is 00:33:46 the day before. You know, Jeff don't like practice. Jeff's like, come get me. I'm like, bro, they're not letting me in. Listen, kids, I love practice.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Listen, Coach T. Coach T loves practice. But that was a good way. Jeff would let me get out there and like play. Yeah. And like work on my shit.
Starting point is 00:34:04 I'm like, shit, go ahead and kill them. Yeah. Wait, And like work on my shit. I'm like, shit, go ahead and kill them. Okay, Ivo. Jeff be like, come get me. I'm like, bro, they ain't letting me out there. Damn. Damn. It was like, hey, see how I'm cyber. What you had?
Starting point is 00:34:17 Yeah, I came off the bench. Who was starting that thing? Hey, man, quit asking all them questions. What was the foreigner? Light skinned buddy Dante Oh It might have been Dante 31 minutes
Starting point is 00:34:31 You better play the whole game Sure He let me I got What was my shooting percentage He had to be 3 for 16 I definitely
Starting point is 00:34:41 Gave myself a chance Get the MGA's up I had to I gave myself a chance. Get the MGA's up. I had to. I gave myself a chance. Hopefully my dog had like 10 assists. Nah, he had Rudy. Damn. Should have had Rudy when he was weak too.
Starting point is 00:34:57 Yeah, he had Rudy. Man. Hey, what's crazy is while you was in Utah, you played in one of the most important games in basketball history, man. Kobe's final game. How was that atmosphere building up today? And how was it to play in that game?
Starting point is 00:35:10 Because everybody in the world wanted y'all to lose that game. And y'all was still like, I know y'all was right out of playoff implications, but y'all wasn't trying to let Kobe win that game either. Yeah, it was like we had to wait until like halftime to see if he was going to make the playoffs. We were trying to win. A lot of people get it confused. They're like, we was letting Kobe do all that. Kobe also shot 50 times. Not harder to shoot 50 shots in one basketball game.
Starting point is 00:35:32 That's nuts, bro. If there's anybody I know who would do it. Who's he on? Nah, but the atmosphere was crazy. The president was there. We'd come in. You know how you go down the tunnel at the Staples Center. Everybody out there with AKs, 47.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Damn. No, Secret Service. It was amazing. Kanye, Jay-Z, all these people sitting like second row. But if you go back and watch the tape, I had zero of that 60.
Starting point is 00:35:57 You didn't get scored on at all? I got pulled up. You live and die by that. That's his first time. I ain't getting any of that. He was a part of that shit. No, that's one of my favorite players. Kobe's his first thing. I ain't get any of that. He was a part of that shit. No, that's one of my favorite players. Kobe's my favorite player.
Starting point is 00:36:08 Yeah, for sure. But I didn't get any of that. You didn't switch on him? No, but... Luis! They're going to pull it up. But the way they was letting Julius Randle set them screens? Outrageous.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Had to get Kobe open, bro. But Kobe Kobe it was it was this different like no matter what he did everybody in the crowd like oh who this turn it's a work game
Starting point is 00:36:31 kind of playing it was the last what he ended with 62 on 50 shots that's a way to go out boy I swear
Starting point is 00:36:43 for sure 50 shots. Yeah. I don't see nobody else shooting that many times. I didn't get in. And the crazy part. My last game,
Starting point is 00:36:53 if I didn't touch the floor. Well, it wasn't about you, B-Tel. I see the 50 piece, though. Y'all understand? The crazy part, like pregame, Lou was on the team.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Lou was like, he about to shoot 50 times. I'm like, he ain't about to shoot 50 shots. Came out there and did it. Like, every time somebody wide open, just swing it at him, let him go. And the crazy part, he started off super, super slow. And then, like, started making, like, eight baskets in a row. And the whole stadium just rooting for him.
Starting point is 00:37:21 Like, you foul him, like, take the side out of everybody, boom. Boom. So, it was a little different. It had to be an amazing atmosphere, though. Yeah, I couldn't imagine playing in a game like that. I would have loved to have been in that game. What would you have done?
Starting point is 00:37:34 I would have been trying to go at him. Yeah. I would have been trying to guard him. I would have been extra as hell. I would have put your name on there, too. I would have been talking shit. It wouldn't have worked man nothing was going to work
Starting point is 00:37:47 he was going to get them points or whatever but that was special I would have been Dylan Brooks that's like I said my favorite player all the time you said you'd be Dylan Brooks I would have been Dylan Brooks I would have been like Kobe's not that good he shot 50 songs
Starting point is 00:38:00 he said he wanted people to do that though he didn't want people to you know let him nothing, go crazy like it's a regular game. He worked for it. It wasn't nothing easy. I'll say that. I'm saying, like, talk shit like Jeff would have been like, come on, sir. You got the Kobe's from that day? Hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:16 I got them. And the Mama Days? Yeah, the Mama Days. I actually got them. He was able to sign them for me. Oh, he signed them? Yeah. Damn.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Shit, I don't ask for it. Damn. I should have played in them have played him but i didn't no i got him only thing i got signed from kobe was uh he signed a card yeah so i always did it i was i wore kobe's all the time whatever we played him i wouldn't wear a shoe but i can't be on the court looking like that yeah what about you i ain't hooping kobe's to the end i know you're the adidas all the way i was adidas so i ain ain't hooping Kobe's to the end. I know you was Adidas all the way.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Yeah, I was Adidas, so I ain't hooping Kobe's to the end, really. I was hooping the Jordan 10s. I was trying to get signed by Team Jordan.
Starting point is 00:38:53 It didn't work. Damn. Joe didn't put in a call for you? Joe ain't fuck with me like that. He only fuck with me at the club.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Off the court. Off the court. T, you got them hoes. I go. Bruce Smith. Play roll. That's crazy. Because you was on
Starting point is 00:39:12 one team, LeBron, too. I used to wear LeBrons, too. He wasn't fucking with me. You going to sign with Rich? I was like, damn, I can't do it. It's quiet. All right, then. I should have.
Starting point is 00:39:24 Damn. Fuck that up. Shout out to then. Damn. I should have. Damn. Fuck that up. Shout out to JR. Shout out to the guy. JR. Ah, yeah. We love JR. So, obviously, man,
Starting point is 00:39:35 you know what I'm saying? Had your time in the league, transitioned to different things. What you got going on right now, man? Right now, I do college basketball. CBS Sports Analyst. Yes, I heard. Also, working in the front office with the NBA team, got going on right now man um right now i'm gonna do college basketball uh cbs sports analyst yes also working in front office with uh with the nba team doing some pro scout and trying to find some
Starting point is 00:39:50 talent um no um hanging out with the family and kids so got a good life blessed life you know the crazy part is playing multiple teams you know meet a lot of people have a lot of connections and it's no pin out for me now as I make this transition of being a retired player. I was going to ask about that. Even with Jeff, like, you guys always have good rapport with different people. And people understand the NBA fraternity is different. Once you're in, you can really be there for life if you got good rapport. And it's dope to see the network and the stuff of how it works.
Starting point is 00:40:19 But now it's interesting because, like we said, brother, definitely all you reparations. But the NIL shit going on. Back-to-back championships, bro. Yeah, I had dinner with Brad last night. I told him. Same time I would not have been at Butler the following year. Yeah. Out.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Transfer portal. Oh, for sure, bro. Easy on him. For sure. That bag would have been retarded. He would have got a meal or something. Yeah. Probably 1.5.
Starting point is 00:40:43 It's definitely different around here. How was that taken? I wonder, like, as you're scouting, you know what I'm saying? You look at the different kids and stuff going on that could potentially be pros. Does that play a factor in it? Like, how they handle their NIL at all? I mean, I don't know if that's not being pocket watching, but just like the mannerisms. Because that does mean a different aspect of recruiting with people.
Starting point is 00:41:02 For me, not really. No, at this side, you're not really dealing with that. It's more like the agent of somebody else. I got you. But, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:11 it's a lot of people who's very good playing basketball. So a lot of stuff like off the court that stops them from getting to the next level. Like Intel,
Starting point is 00:41:18 they might be hanging out with a B-hand all the time. Yeah. Being the wrong spy wrong time. Red flag, red flag. Being the wrong spot, wrong time. Red flag, red flag. Red flag right there, right there.
Starting point is 00:41:28 Nah, that's my guy. But look for stuff like that because once you're able to get somebody a lot of money, a lot of access, you just don't know how they're going to act.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Basketball is like a small piece. There's no more about your character. And no, you're going to have to be a great teammate. That's the hardest thing. In the NBA, everyone averages 20 points at some point in time. You're going to go there and you might have to be a great teammate. That was the hardest thing. You know, NBA, everyone averaged 20 points at some point in time.
Starting point is 00:41:46 You're going to go there, and you might have to be a cheerleader for a few games and just see how you respond. Are you going to be mad at the coach or the assistant coach or the ball boy who has nothing to do with this? Are you going to take it out on them now? No, it's not the kind of people that you want to work with on a day-to-day basis. How do you like commentating, though? You see yourself doing that for a long time.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I enjoy doing it. I get to watch a lot of basketball, stay around the game. It's a little different doing college instead of pros because you're not trying to talk bad about anyone's son. Everyone's trying to work and continue to get better. I would love to call some games. See how I sound at the arena.
Starting point is 00:42:29 But the good is keep me all around and stay in touch with everybody. Cool. So, man, March Madness is still one of the craziest fucking basketball situations of all time. Obviously, we do have an experience in that. Do you think it's different now with the game as far as like marshmallow? Because we don't even have too many cosplayers that we get excited about anymore. It's like we skip every so often. But back in y'all's days, it was every year, every team,
Starting point is 00:42:53 like not every team, but you had marquee teams and matchups every single year. It's like totally different now. How do you stay in tech with that? Do you even get excited for that type of stuff? I know obviously with you working, you locked in with it, but is it even the same atmosphere like being removed from it?
Starting point is 00:43:08 When you're able to go to the game, you're still able to feel it. Okay. Because it's like, say here in Indiana, like IU Purdue, no matter who's playing,
Starting point is 00:43:15 you can just go to the game and kind of feel the energy. Yeah. It's hard to keep up with it though with the transfer portal. People just being able to just go school for school.
Starting point is 00:43:24 So, you know, sometimes I get lost on it with the transfer portal. People just being able to just go school for school. So, you know, sometimes I get lost on it with the players transferring. And then also, you know, the six-year kind of threw everything off. That COVID year. Yeah, so once all of that stuff's settled in, people can start, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:36 tapping back in with their favorite players. And hopefully we get some loyalty coming in soon with all of this. But I don't see how long, how much longer NIL stuff can work. How do you feel about brother moving to the Big East? I think it's a great move.
Starting point is 00:43:49 He had some good years. Yeah. When Coach LaValle was coaching the top 10 in the country. All that. Right now, some downtime.
Starting point is 00:43:57 But, can't really say it's downtime when they got the two national champs over the past few years. Back to back, knowing the conference. It's a tough conference. I think it's one of the best conference. Better over the past few years, back-to-back, knowing the conference. It's a tough conference.
Starting point is 00:44:06 I think it's one of the best conferences. Better than the ACC, if you ask me. Cap. Ooh. Cap. I don't know. Big East ACC? I don't know, big dog.
Starting point is 00:44:15 That's tough. Too heavy. Who do you like in the ACC? I'm biased. I'm going to go ACC. But if you're going with UConn against the board, then you definitely got to go UConn. Consistently, like Marquette,
Starting point is 00:44:26 Villanova. They've been good. Creighton. They've been good. I don't know about Creighton. Creighton's been good. I'm talking about like 20 win teams.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Oh, no, no. As a total haul for sure. Yeah. They got an overall better conference. Yeah, they got a right now, but in the tournament,
Starting point is 00:44:41 I fear a couple of them ACC teams a little bit more. I like Duke. I like Carolina. All right. I like Duke. I like Carolina. Alright. I like Wake Forest. You said Wake? Yeah, I like Florida State.
Starting point is 00:44:53 I like Miami a lot. Quiet. Miami good. They okay, but they not better than Miami. Miami was good, because you're talking about Nigel Peck getting a transfer in. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:45:06 You need that to be at that high level. Yeah. NC State. I'm anxious to see how Duke is going to be this year with us having all those freshmen coming in and playing. Oh, I think they're going to smack shit. They're going to smack shit. They so?
Starting point is 00:45:20 Cooper Flacco is the one. He's the one. If they let him cook the right— He's the one, bro. Isaiah Evans is the right, he's the one, bro. Isaiah Evans is pretty good, too. Yeah. Oh, no, they got a whip, too. He ain't a one-man band by any means.
Starting point is 00:45:31 They got a whip. That's why I didn't understand why he was talking about them transferring. It was like, everybody who transferred was tampered with. I'm like, that's crazy, bro. He the best player in college basketball. Nah.
Starting point is 00:45:40 Cooper? Yeah. Nah. I got to see. Right now, even though his people are aging there right now, he's still better than all of them. He's the best prospect.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Yeah, he's the best prospect. Playing college basketball is, like, different. Like, we see Oscar Sheway 20 and 20 and then go to the next step and play for the Pacers. It's kind of hard for him to get out there and contribute and play at a high level. But Cooper Flagg's path is different. Yeah, he's going to be the best path is different. He's definitely different.
Starting point is 00:46:08 That's what I'm saying. It's different, but also, she weighs player of the year. I don't think Cooper is going to get player of the year. He probably won't get the accolades. He's going to get the number one pick. Cooper is going to average nine. Hell no. Nine points?
Starting point is 00:46:23 You know how it goes. I say between like nine and 14. That's a big gap. But it's not going to be 20. No, it ain't going to be 20. It'd be 13, 14. And he going in there with a whole bunch of other freshmen. He going in with a whip.
Starting point is 00:46:37 Yeah, they all trying to get paid. I don't think they're about to be the number two pick. Are you one? I know I'm about to be two. We had this clip. It's okay. All right. Cooper, player of the year.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Duke, national champion. Think about how old dude was at Carolina. What's his name? Babcock? Babcock, yeah. Babcock, for sure, was in the dress. It's three or four other players out. They not going, bro.
Starting point is 00:46:59 They 24 and up, for sure. Who ordered him? Our own boy from Kansas. Actually, what's his name? What's his name? The kid from Notre Dame. The guard. Oh, yeah, he nice.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Marcus from Indiana. Johnson, South Indiana. Great, great basketball player. Yeah. Cole. Cooper Flag. I'm cool. The great white hope is on the way.
Starting point is 00:47:24 Man, I got to ask, man. You know what I'm saying? Off the court, I know how y' hope is on the way man I gotta ask man y'all I'm saying off the court I know how y'all went on the court how was like y'all kicking it off the court
Starting point is 00:47:30 y'all talk about them tequila and sprites man how y'all get like that I think it was more just like us loving the game
Starting point is 00:47:37 like we would talk about basketball off the court so we'd be like man how can we get better looking at stats watching games
Starting point is 00:47:44 like this is all I gotta do me and Shell was barely by the numbers So we'd be like, man, how can we get better looking at stats, watching games? Like, this is all I got to do. Me and Shell was barely by the numbers. I can average 12 points a game right here. That'll give me $6 million a year. Like, we was like that. Like, we was just trying to map the game out, but we enjoyed playing. So we'd talk about the game.
Starting point is 00:48:02 Then we'd just kick it, bro. He was just cool. We'd talk about, we'd still talk about playing Madden and stuff like that. NCAA football just came out. He never was really that good at video games, but he always wanted to play. I'm top of the country. He ain't Shell.
Starting point is 00:48:18 I'm in the game. I'm trying to tell you. Also, I think I was forced to tell you also I think I was forced to go to team dinner all the time but it's about after every
Starting point is 00:48:29 every road game we go to team dinner we sitting there for three or four hours just sitting there hanging out talking no obviously having Hendrick is a connection
Starting point is 00:48:37 he was able to relate on a lot of different different things do people know anything about your your wrestling fetish yeah everybody know I love wrestling about your wrestling fetish? Yeah, everybody know I love wrestling.
Starting point is 00:48:46 That's balls. Fetish is crazy. Everybody know I love wrestling. When my man watching 1976 wrestling matches, what's that? I guess that's a fetish. Two motherfuckers
Starting point is 00:48:56 swinging. That'll turn me on. Fetish is a wild word. Yeah, that'll turn me on. He's a fan of wrestling, bro. Why he say fetish? If all the whites said fetish, but everybody know I like wrestling.'s a fan of wrestling, bro. If all the whites that finish, but everybody that I like wrestling.
Starting point is 00:49:08 See a big show of that with fucking one piece. You got him back a bit, bro. He was quiet, bro. He was a dead cat. In 1976, though, on the iPad, I'm like, bro,
Starting point is 00:49:24 what you got going on? He's trying, bro. Bro, I just like like, bro, what you guys doing? I'm trying, bro. Bro, I just like wrestling, bro. But you know what? Something else we relate to? We cheat. Whoa. No.
Starting point is 00:49:34 We cheat. What you talking about? Because that's why we was going to the team this year so long. We cheat. Cheat. I cheat. I try.
Starting point is 00:49:42 I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try.
Starting point is 00:49:43 I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try.
Starting point is 00:49:44 I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try.
Starting point is 00:49:44 I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. Iap. I ain't cheap. I ain't got a white heel, bro. No, we both cheap, bro. We don't want to spend money. Say that P, bro. You ain't from Chicago. Say that P. Man, look at him, bro. He trying to get you caught up or something. I know.
Starting point is 00:49:56 I got white heels. He was confused, too. Nah. Cheap. Like, we don't use the money. We cheap. Frugal. There we go.
Starting point is 00:50:04 Frugal friends go Frugal friends Cause that's how we used to go To them team dinners We like Oh he about to pay for us To eat again Yeah we all Eat free
Starting point is 00:50:11 Yeah what Tequila on him Oh shit Why Jeff getting all the 1942 he can get For sure My bill used to be
Starting point is 00:50:19 1500 or long Damn Who was paying For the team dinner But Damn I was racking up I was taking stuff Back to the room 1500 alone. Damn. Who was paying for the steam dinner? Damn. I was racking up. I was taking stuff back to the room.
Starting point is 00:50:29 I was like, like being on the volume tab. That's how you be doing it? Yes. He gets a golf play everywhere he go. He get two to go. Two to go.
Starting point is 00:50:42 I knew there were golfs when I pay. With a volume. That nigga look at the bill. He just take his bags and leave. Mike be like
Starting point is 00:50:50 Mike left over in here too. And he Mike left over. Yeah. He can swipe that American Express. Fuck out of here.
Starting point is 00:51:01 What's wrong with him, man? They try to get people jammed up. No, we definitely cheap, I would say. Yeah, we cheap. We trying to go
Starting point is 00:51:10 to get a section for a thousand. We like, who else coming? That's nasty. I got 250 on it. Straight up. And your old boy, he be like,
Starting point is 00:51:20 Paul, you good? Paul be like, what? You the make the most money, man. Yeah, that was in the league. One hand on the rack. That's how they was, bro. They was.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Y'all getting a bottle? Bottle 300. I got 25. Me, him, Damari. We all break it up, baby. Break it all up. We was smart, man. Trying to be.
Starting point is 00:51:42 That's funny, man. He's a hoe. I can't believe that nigga over there I'll wrap it up oh man hey man it's been real shells
Starting point is 00:51:56 family at the park man we gotta have you back man it's always a good time when you're in the building man you know what we need him for
Starting point is 00:52:02 he gotta be our college basketball host for the morning show. Come on, man. We got a morning show. We got a morning show coming. It's on the way, bro. It's on the way.
Starting point is 00:52:11 We need to call you for the college basketball updates, man. On the zone. I'm definitely with that. Yeah, we need that. On the zone, yeah. Come on, man. Come to 520. You already game, bro.
Starting point is 00:52:20 You already know. Yeah, you know. You feel me? You got to represent football a little bit more. Nah, man. I didn't graduate today, so shout out to the Lou your family. You got to represent football a little bit more. Nah, man. I didn't graduate from here, so shout out to the
Starting point is 00:52:26 Louisville. Hey! You didn't graduate from there, either? Nope. I didn't graduate from there. He's lost flagging.
Starting point is 00:52:33 No, I'm talking about him. He claimed the Louisville. He got the bird on him. Not the bird, man. No disrespect to
Starting point is 00:52:42 Louisville. He's lost flagging, bro. You a card? You a Louisville card? Yeah, my family all from there. So, yeah, we locked in for sure. You're a card. You're a Louisville card. Yeah, my family all from there.
Starting point is 00:52:46 So yeah, we locked in for sure. Deep in the rap. But look, man, you're not going to see this face. Did you graduate from there or what? I didn't go there, my nigga. My whole family's from there. My family's all locked in
Starting point is 00:52:56 with Louisville. Gotcha, gotcha. One time for the one time. Hey, man, you'll see the show back soon. We set it on wax. He's going to be our basketball, college basketball analyst
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