Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Spencer Dinwiddie & Jeff Teague on Luka Doncic-Anthony Davis trade, playing with LeBron

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 45 of Club 520, and Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Spencer Dinwiddie of the Dallas Mavericks to discuss Spencer’s NBA journey. Spencer talks about when he heard Luka Doncic was traded to the Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony Davis, trying to get his contract paid in Bitcoin, playing alongside LeBron James on the Lakers, being teammates with Kyrie Irving, and guarding the likes of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Darius Garland. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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here in out the prayer leaves. How you doing, Nasty? What's up, my boy? Let's get to it, man. I know, Smiths. Listen, I know you've been a league on since shoes your whole life have you ever seen the black forces with the white laces nah nah not uh promoted on the front of the podcast like that either nah yeah it's the front line soldier shit bro uh what you about 13 yeah yeah uh well i got you bro i know you from la you ain't signed ain't signed to Vans, are you?

No, no. I signed to 361. Don't worry about it. Oh, okay, yeah. I signed niggas to 720 deals over here. Who want me to sign? What you got, Mike? Yeah, that's my artist over there.

Yeah, 720. He's my 720. Whatever he don't give for the first 360, he gets it on the back of his ass. The real art up there. Foot show to my right, my dog, Young Nacho. Young T, how you doing? I'm chilling, bro. What's cool and nasty?

Let's get to it. That's my artist. You a fuck nigga. Five-party production, LLC for sure. I see you got the feets on today, man. I'm a shout to Al Mamaneer, man. One of my favorite shoe stores, man. The brand, I love them.

They always show love to me. So happy to be able to get a package from them. Always going to support, for sure. For sure, man. Got the early drop. Freaky Mike said

they need to tap in. He need his size 12s as well. We're going to get you worked out for that, man. Yeah. For sure, man. But last but certainly least, man, to my left, man.

11-year vet, man. LA's finest. One of the biggest plays in NBA contract history. We're going to talk about it, man. 11-year vet, man. LA's finest. One of the biggest plays in the NBA contract history. We're going to talk about it, man. We got Mr. Dan Woody. Big dog. Appreciate you pulling up, man. No, thank you for having me, brother.

The mayor. Yes, sir. I don't know that. The mayor. Come on, we tap in, man. Listen, man, we do our research here, man. A little bit, man. For sure, LA's finest.

Man, first, it's March Madness, man. You know, Colorado. How does it feel being an alumni of Colorado and y'all turned up from football like that man oh no that shit was hard yeah

it brought life to the city we didn't expect it because when I was there they won like two games in a year like they were awful

damn two games in a year for a long time what year did you come out of there or go there what year did you go in went there in 2011

okay left in 14 so oh yeah they was pool yeah they was cool. They won two games here right before the hour got here, didn't they? Yeah. Their lineage was a little bit dirty, for sure.

But I couldn't imagine. You was killing on campus and they was coming at the same time. That's a hell of a type of recruitment to pull up there. Oh, yeah. No, we were the team, like, on campus and stuff. So, like, when I was there, it was basketball school. That's crazy. What made you choose Colorado?

I mean, basically like I want to go to PAC 12 cause I really want to go to USC, but they didn't offer me. So UCLA was kind of like, I would just take you. And, uh, yeah,

I didn't want to go to Harvard cause of basketball. So, ah, okay. Who else was recruiting you back then? You from LA, right? You're just like,

uh, we talk about high school, LA, uh, historic high school. L.A., historic high school. You played some killers in high school? Yeah, of course. I mean, Larry Drew went to my high school. He's a McDonald's All-American. Shout out to Larry Drew.

I mean, obviously, you played all the guys. Drew, DeMar, BJ. Brandon Jennings. Sorry. Shout out to Brandon. I fought with BJ. You can take a high school BJ no high school BJ was nice

nice yeah respect he was nice I have no hate you play with a killer there I know I was talking about earlier today don't believe the hype DeAndre Daniels

oh yeah I couldn't remember his name but I'm like I remember he was a cold wing I believe the hype. DeAndre Daniels. Oh, yeah. Yeah, bro. UConn. UConn, baby. I couldn't remember his name, but I'm like, I remember he was a cold wing. Bryce Jones went to the Pelicans. Yeah, bro. All the same team. In high school, like, he went crazy in AAU, bro. I think he was like a top 10 player in the country at the time.

Something like that, yeah. Yeah, I know what that is. On our team, the three of us, he was the best one. Nah, for sure. Because he was like, what, 6'5"? Nah, he was damn bigger than that. Nah, he was like what 6'5 nah he was damn bigger than that like 6'9 yeah

nah I remember that name I can't remember him he was cold bro he was nice yeah especially in high school did he play in the big three last year

I don't know nah maybe I'm nah bro DeAndre Daniels bro I was like a Christian Wood kinda yeah I got

I got looking that's a fake Christian Wood, man. I just remember he used to go on the AAU circuit. He made a name for himself, bro. For sure. I'm going to look him up.

For sure, for sure. For sure. Man, having that much time in high school is crazy. So yeah, y'all was definitely getting the looks, but you said you wanted to stay in the Pac-12.

Oh yeah, no. So I had like most of the Pac-12 offers, most of the California school offers, but I really wanted to go to USC because that's like

where my mom and my brother went and all that. Okay. And they were the only one that didn't offer me. Damn. That's crazy. It is crazy how that works because they were ass too. They weren't even good.

UCLA was the good one. How I get offered from the good school and not offered from the bad school? That don't make no sense. Oh, well, they probably just think you didn't fit the model. Because DeMar was, what year was DeMar? Oh, nine or something like that. He was gone. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He was gone. Yeah, I'm saying he was gone,

but I'm just thinking like the guys that came after that and I can't think of nobody. Yeah, they were bad. Yeah, that's tough.

Yeah, because Vooch was gone too. Yeah, that was tough. I mean, who else was cold at that time though in high school with you?

Was anybody else getting recruited over you? Marcus was cold. Shout out to Moog. Yo, you Marcus class? Yeah, 2011. I was like 150th in their class. So yeah, Ann Davis, Gilchrist, Marcus, Austin Rivers.

That's a hell of, that's one of the best. I'm just saying, who else was out west? Those was all, that's on our side. Jaheet Carson was out west. He went to Arizona State, right? Yeah, okay. Arizona,et Carson was out west. He went to Arizona State, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Arizona. Jabari Brown, Oregon.

Okay. In Mizzou. Oh, why didn't you go to Oregon? They weren't fucking with you? Because of that, basically. Oh. Yeah, no, I had Oregon too, though. Yeah, okay.

Because dude, dude, it was nice to play for Oakland Soldiers. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was cool. Damn. Damn, yeah. I had Brad Bill in that class.

Mm-hmm. I used to go to all them AAU games. Who'd you play AAU for? Pump and Run. Pump and Run. Ah, yeah, yeah. Damn. Damn, y'all had Brad Bill in that class. I used to go to all them AAU games. Who'd you play AAU for? Pump and Run. Pump and Run. Ah, yeah. Solid. Yeah, Pump and Run

and the Fire Program. Solid. I remember they had the Lopez Twins. Yeah. Yeah. Who was in school? Yeah.

Yeah. Damn. For the tickets or whatever. Damn. Like. Oh, wow. Aw, damn. Eight years ago

or something like that. See? Dirty game. Bill Self's still chilling. Shout out to Bill Self. The game is the game. It's a wicked game. Bill Self got it, bro.

Since we talking about college, you know, coming out, LA kid, what'd you think your NIL would've been going to next school? What'd you think

you would've got? I don't think my NIL would've been crazy going to Colorado next school, what do you think you would have got? Uh, my, I don't think my NIL would have been crazy going to Colorado. Okay. After your sophomore year. In Colorado though?

Yeah. Oh, it would have been stupid. Even after freshman year. Do you think you would have transferred after your freshman year? Because you had a good freshman year. Yeah,

it depends on the bag. That nigga would have went to USC. It would depend on the bag. Like, so, I was like like runner up to Tony Roden.

He had a much better year so he deserved it. They were selling my jersey. They were selling mustache gear because I didn't have a goatee at the time. I was a little kid. They were selling mustache gear in the student store. All types of shit. It would have been stupid.

Seeing a kid with AJ DeBensa stupid. Dumb. That's crazy. Seeing a kid, was AJ DeBensa getting $7 million? That's crazy. How would that affect you? you know, because you, you,

you different than most of us, bro. You, you tapped in cryptocurrency, all that. I'm just going, we can get to that.

Yes, sir. How would that affect you as a, you know, a student athlete if they would've liked to offer you $7 million? Would that affect your mind going to the league or you they would have liked to offer you $7 million? Would that affect your mind going to the league or you'd have been like, shit, $7 million?

I'm cool. I think because I wanted to go to the league. Yeah. I'd have been still driven. I think that might have changed how I approached post-injury type vibe. Okay. I might have got hurt and been like, you know what? Yeah, facts. Before that though, I'd have been like you know what yeah before that thought i've been like

nah like i still want to go to league like it's a dream of mine like you know how it is when you're a kid like even when you get some hype or whatever like you so laser focused like yo like i still want to go to league so like all that don't really matter so yeah you know but once you get hurt it ain't really working out or whatever like my my first two years in the league, just sitting on the bench watching, I might've been like, I got 10 mil over here. Yeah. I was still broke. Well,

yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's real. That's a fact. Real shit. Hey, people don't know.

We was just, before you came here, we was talking about your rookie year. Yeah. And how you, and they told me my budget was 3000. What was yours? A month. Mine? It was probably close

to like $10,000. Damn! No, no, no. We're not including bills. Oh, no, no. For you just to have a... Oh, probably something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, damn, damn. What the fuck was that? Where was you at? I was in Detroit. I was in Detroit, but I was like...

Man, where's the money? Shake, boy! You got rent and other stuff you got to do. You know, we were talking about like exclude, rent. Oh, nah. Like car payments.

That's how you live. We were just saying just like just for like just for like for you to you know, buy some extra clothes, eat,

do whatever you want to do. You see how I dress? I was wearing team gear then. I was wearing Vans then. So it might have even been a little bit less than three, to be honest. I was thinking about rent, car,

any other little stuff you got to do. But yeah, when I got in the league, my minimum was $500,000. I was back before inflation and LeBron James got a new TV deal. I wasn't getting no money. Was that your parents or more so

you giving you the game on how to treat your bread? TV did. That's a fact. I wasn't getting no money. Was that your parents or more so you like giving you the game on how to treat your bread? I mean, both. I mean, my parents just like saving and stuff.

You know, you don't have like real money like that. You don't know. So I don't know if they necessarily knew, but like, you know,

it's just about like, don't blow it. Yeah. So I was real basic. I mean, this is, I've been real the whole time. That's hard.

Nothing wrong with that. They know who you are. You ain't got shit. That's how I always feel. That's true. That's for real shit. Obviously, did you think Colorado needed to get injured? How was that draft process? Like you talked about it a little bit. How was that whole entire process of then actually getting to the ABA and accomplishing your dream?

Yeah, so I got hurt, what, junior year? Middle of junior year, tore my ACL. I'm like, a whole bunch of other stuff. year tournament acl i'm like a whole bunch of other stuff oh yeah so basically the draft was just a whole lot of like meetings and watching yeah you don't do nothing because i couldn't work out so yeah i met with all the teams like did medical had like 5 000 mris like all the same questions all the same stuff and i knew i probably wasn't going in the first round because it, like, got hurt. So, because I was, like, edging into the lottery when I was playing.

And, yeah, so I just sat there at home and waited to hear my name called. First piece of adversity was I thought I had a promise a little bit before I ended up getting picked in the second round. So I fell a couple spots, but it wasn't nothing crazy. But, like, what made you go to the, like, because i had a similar thing happen not to your extreme i didn't turn my acl but i had a grade three mcl sparring in the draft process yeah so like my dad freaked

out like yo you gotta go back to school but what made you like yo i'm going to the league anyway so i i didn't know nothing about the league, right? And nobody had went before. So I didn't know how much like connections mattered and workouts mattered. I was just like, I'm nice. I'm done with school. They're going to draft me somewhere. I'm going to heal up. I'm going to be whoever's in front of me and we'll just figure it out.

I'm not really thinking like, oh, because you're a second rounder. They ain't investing in you. They're not going to play you. I'm not knowing nothing about the business. I'm just like, yeah, I'm not really thinking like, oh, because you're a second rounder. They ain't investing in you. They're not going to play you. I'm not knowing nothing about the business. I'm just like, yeah, I'm ready. I'm not doing this again because I want to leave my sophomore year. My dad told me to go back because, you know, I had like. That's when I heard of you, a sophomore year.

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maybe lottery, late first round pick, but you'll be like full-blown like lottery, maybe even squeaked to round 10 type vibe if you go back. So again, that's not knowing nothing. He's like, go back. I'm like, alright, whatever. So I go back, obviously get hurt and so fall, he's like go back i'm like all right whatever so i go back obviously get hurt and so fall but in my mind i'm like i just play all these dudes at the ds

nations i just played them all like i'm not thinking i'm not gonna come back man whatever i'm gonna be good like i'm gonna go to the team i'm gonna be with us in front of me and i'm gonna play i'm thinking he's like merit based yeah yeah no, no. No, no, no. It's not like business. Not at all. But I seen you at Adidas Nations. It was just crazy. Because I was with Adidas.

Oh, yeah, you worked at Adidas. I used to go there and go see all that. So I seen them. I seen the Dame Lillards. I seen them. I seen all these guys. So it's just kind of crazy when I seen you go to the league. And I'm fast forwarding because you went to,

obviously you went to Detroit first, but when Kenny Atkinson, you got with Kenny. Yeah. Kenny's my, Kenny was my, that's my guy. Yeah,

that was my guy, guy. So when you got, nevermind, just go. No, I'm fast forwarding. No,

because Kenny was my guy, guy. So he called me and was like, when you were playing for Kenny, you were having, you had a great year. He was just like, I told him what you told me. me and was like, when you were playing for Kenny, you were having, you had a great year. He was just like,

I told him what you told me. And I was like, what's that? He was like, I'm comfortable with 32. I don't, nigga, my life's going to be straight

if I get 32 million. And he was like, I don't, I was like, I don't need a max deal. Like, I'm fine. Like,

if I can't make my life straight with 32 million, I'm doing something wrong. And he was like, I told him that. And I don't know if he told you that, but that's what he told me. Yeah, that was when I was up for like that. Because after leaving Detroit, I signed like the slave deal.

For sure. The non-guarantee, you know, like once you're triggered, that one. And so you're only up for like the second round extension. So I had like three for 30 or four for 40, whatever it was at the time. Yeah, yeah. Whatever it is now and uh i didn't want the 440 because of like layering your years and your contracts so i was like oh give me the three for 30 with a player option and that's kind of where that conversation came from but yeah not kenny without without my d league coach nate lindsor and kenny atkinson

like none of this happens yeah i didn't't want to, my bad for fast forward because I know you went through the Detroit phase and that's like a big part of your journey to me. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

Like with the Detroit stuff, it was like, it taught me the hardest version of the NBA. So, Stan Van Gundy's like a Miami Heat disciple.

For sure. So, you got the three-hour practices, everything taped, taped shoot-arounds, all that other stuff. Rookie's got to be there two hours before with newspapers and donuts

and you practice all the time. I had these things called 99-99s after practice where they just put that on a jumble trying to just ran it

and I just worked out against coaches, full-court one-on-one, just like crazy stuff. It's more a test of your will than it is like game improvement. Me playing one-on-one against, you know, ball boys and coaches, like it's not for real. I mean, come on.

You know what I'm saying? Like, so, you know, it was all that stuff. At the time, vets got treatment, rookies didn't. So, you know, I'm fresh off ACL doing all this work, not really getting treatment like that things like that um not a bad way it's just like the culture of what it was but that's what set people back because that's why i loved about leonard they didn't they didn't do that yeah so detroit was like that so i learned like the absolute hardest iteration at least in my

mind in the nba so when i got to Brooklyn with Kenny, it was love. And then also, just from a coaching standpoint, he had told me, same like my D.L.E. coach, they were like, look, bro, you're going to make mistakes. Don't worry about it. Because when you're in the other system and you're thinking, I got to get the ball to this guy, I got to just run the play that was told to me,

I got to not mess up. You can't play an imperfect game trying not to mess up. You know what I'm saying? You just fail every time. So with those two, they were like, yo, we believe in you. Play. Do your thing. And then that's when it was kind of a wrap.

Is that when you got comfortable in the league, though? Oh, for sure. I think in my mind it takes about a year and a half of being able to just play to get comfortable in the nba i think when you first get in the league or when you first start playing because again my first two years like you can kind of just leave on the side but let's say year three i was getting out there like i gotta get to it like just trying to like hoop as best i could yeah halfway through probably my fourth year is when it kind of like slowed down you're anticipating reads anticipating coverages you learn what other teams like to do all that stuff

so i think it takes that time period of like actually stacking games so let's say maybe like 100 games under your belt yeah like really playing you're like okay like this is this the nba style so what vick gave you the game, though? Did you have somebody in Detroit? Yeah, in terms of taking care of my body, Joel Anthony. He was a great vet. In terms of just like keeping my head up and stuff like that,

I would say Karan Butler, Jody Mixon, Greg Monroe were the guys. Gee, Moose. Oh, Moose. Hey, Moose my dog. Moose. Big three teammate. That's my big three teammate

Oh really Yeah I thought that name was Moose That's his name That's his nickname Ah Richman Yeah Nah nah So those are the guys

that were like cause we'd do stuff like one on ones and things like that obviously in practice and I'd be killing it right never playing though and so they were just like

look bro or look young fella like you're gonna be alright it's gonna work out we see what you're doing in practice. Like you can play at this level. Like it's going to, something's going to happen. Something's going to happen.

And I don't even think I really believed him at the time. I was just sitting there like low key sulking. Like how I'm killing in practice in like, like no minutes. I think one year I played 12 games and those were all like 30 seconds a piece like I wasn't like playing at all you talking about fucking your stats up when you had that NBA moment like you was like damn I'm here now I'm ready to

really get to it for my confidence or like just for your confidence and when you felt like okay I'm about to really start trying to give niggas 20 a night that was probably sometime in felt like, okay, I'm about to really start trying to give niggas 20 a night? That was probably sometime in Brooklyn when I started feeling like that.

You was chugging that motherfucker in Brooklyn. That was sometime in Brooklyn. When I felt like, okay, you'll be alright, I had my first start against D-Rose at 12 and like 10 or something like that and then i had a game probably like a week later against john wall

at the woods and had like 20 it was like my first 20 point game okay i was like okay like because those are people you look up to yeah you know what i'm saying so it wasn't just like you know the backups were playing or you went in there and it wasn't a real game or something like you know real games and you know't a real game or something like, you know, real games. And, you know,

so play well against them. That gave me confidence. Like, okay, you can do it. And then in Brooklyn, I mean, I had a run, it had to be probably

year four where I was like hitting like game winners and stuff. And I was like, all right, fuck what everybody talking about. It's on now.

Yeah. That was probably it. So year four. Yeah. Like when we get, when you first get now. Yeah, okay. That was probably it. So you were four. Yeah, like, when we first get to the league, obviously it's a difference. You start seeing, like, damn, I was nice in college, but these dudes was crazy. Yeah.

And so you kind of embrace that moment. But, like, when they start picking on you, and they do the rookie hazing, and they all the little shit that come with being a rookie. Did you have a rookie hazing? Did you get your car popcorn? Did you get, you know, I had to bring donuts, all that stuff. Yeah, I had donuts, the newspaper.

And then they like, that's an old ass team. That's some newspapers. They like, like try to tie me to a chair, throw me in an ice tub. Goddamn. Yeah, because I like, I had that level of like, look, I me to a chair and throw me in an ice tub. Goddamn. Yeah, because, like, I had that level of like, look,

I respect all y'all, so I'll do all this, but I'm not hearing it, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, if you can't guard me,

bro, like, stop talking to me crazy. Like, I don't want to hear that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, there was a level of that, they'd say something, I'd be like, bro, what? Who actually want to get newspapers? Karam.

Karam. I had to do Karam. Kar'll be like, bro, what? Who actually want to get newspapers? Karan. It's the only person who was born pro-boy. Karan was newspapers and a notebook with a pen because he wanted to occasionally write raps. It was like, bro. Did my boy have bars? We celebrate Karan on here. I'm sleeping on Karan.

I don't even remember. He had to carry one of them old school black and white composition joints. That's what we had. That was in school. I'm like, bro, like, you're not rapping for real. What is this?

Like, why am I carrying it? His bars was weak, too. I'm celebrating Karan on this show, man. I know they mix up his ass. Karan come from the lineage of, like, Joe Smith. That's one of my vets

was Joe Smith, Eric Dampier, I had some old heads. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they what my best was Joe Smith, Eric Dampier, I had some old heads. So they probably called my car though because I wasn't going for nothing. Bro, that's what I'm saying.

I'm in here like, bro, I'm hearing this. Like I'll bring the donuts but like, bro, relax. I brought donuts and they never ate them and I kept them in my locker and I just kept

putting them in the box out there. And finally, Josh Smith had a drunk night and the donuts were green. He opened them up and he said, man them in the box out there. And finally, Josh Smith had a drunk night and the donuts were green. He opened them up. He said, man, what the fuck?

My car was pop. My car was popcorn. I ain't gonna lie. So, Karan never spit nothing for you, bro. No, bro. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's wild, bro. See, niggas be trying to get deals and keep it clean in here that when I tap on it, niggas gonna be mad. deals and keep it clean be here then when I tap over niggas gonna be mad so y'all gotta pick a side what we doing

but like spit it up for him it's crazy bro yeah rap spit up spit your game talk your shit that ain't no thing

not no more not now not now not now not now mood hello y'all interviewed a nigga there. You childish little bitch, bro.

That's the best thing about this show. We childish as fuck. It is. It's very childish. Man, we got to talk about it, man. This is what I realized. I was like, Spencer is a real hustler. Because you trying to get that deal at Bitcoin.

I said, my boy is a real finesser. Please talk about how you got to that situation, man. All right. So the funny part about that is like it made headlines because of the Bitcoin aspect because like the league threatened to kick me out. That's crazy. Which was a whole nother thing. But really, it was a play on blockchain technology. So, you know, 30 second. Blockchain technology is about like microtransactions, being able to send stuff peer to peer, like adding liquidity to whatever system it is. So I was trying to decentralize sports contracts, all this betting that we see and everything that's going on now.

Trying to do that shit back in, what was it, 2017 or something like that. So it was a play on opening up the sports contract world. And they were like, champ, it's through. We're going to kick you out the league. So I had to redo it in a bunch of different ways to be compliant with the NBA because I love my job. Thank you, guys. Shout out to the NBA.

Shout out to the NBA. Thanks. But yeah, I mean, that. Shout out to the NBA. Shout out to the NBA. Thanks. A lot of thanks. But yeah, I mean, that's really what it was about. And so it became far more Bitcoin-centric because that's kind of what they were going to allow versus the overall business of what I was trying to do because I mean, as you see with gambling and the parlays and everything going on with FanDuel and DraftKings and all that right now,

I wanted to, you know, slide my little business idea in there. They would get bought out. They make $10 billion. I make one. And I'm like,

man, it's all good. I'm partnering with the league. And they were like, nah. Wait, that was with David Stern, right?

Nah, that was with David Stern. When he said, when I read about it, I said, he a mad genius. I said, he on his way out. I said, that nigga probably fired. I said, they about to bang him. I said, he a mad genius. I swear, I said, he is a mad genius.

I said, he better leave them alone because he thinking 10 steps ahead. Man. They don't. I bet he knows. Don't worry about it. You know. Yeah. He was a mad genius.

He was about to be Junior Bridgman. Yeah. I say he was a mad genius. They would have they wasn't allowing him to be a mad genius. Like it's the NBA.

I still love the NBA. Listen, I can't wait to go to J. Cole's party in, what's it called? Dreamville. I'll be there. Shout out to the NBA. Hold up.

But I was like, he's a man. Be here, y'all. Shout out for the NBA. I'm going to Dreamville on the NBA. I just wanted to say, especially, boy,

the Lord gonna bless you one day. But to think, like, because that's the moment when I was like, yo, he different. Because me when I was like yo he different cause me I was just like

hey I ain't giving a fuck about none of that I got the bread but him to think like that I was like yo he different he probably gonna do something so even that

and for you making your own shoe yeah and I remember seeing you on the court and I'm like this nigga really got his own shoe

like he really got his own shoe and now to see that, to do that and then see guys like Jalen Brown You know. That's sexy. That's something that I guess in the history books I probably won't get

much credit for, but now it's sexy. I'm happy Jalen Brown's doing it. Nah, I'm going to give you your credit. So y'all not going to pause him? Nah, I mean, yeah. But now it's sexy to have your own shoe? Nah, nah. He said sexy to have your own shoe.

But I ain't going to lie. Hey, see that? You ain't getting no pass on this one. I ain't going to lie. When you first did it, I was like... Because they kind of look like Kobe's a little bit. And I was like, he like Kobe. Like when I first seen him.

But you probably remember, I asked for some of them. I said, yo, can I get some of them? They was like, Brooklyn. I was like, yo, can I get some of his shoes? Brooklyn Ball Boys. I was like, yo, tell the dude I want some shoes. They was like, yo, he don't give them out. I was like, damn. I was like, he's stingy with the drugs. I don't know why.

They said, nah, he don't be giving them out. I was like, for real? I was like, them shit's weak. Now it's for expensive. I was like, he don't be giving them out. I was like, for real? I was like, this shit's weak. Now it's more expensive. I was like, he don't give a shit how they trade over here. Y'all remember I bought the Lazo. You did. I ain't never got him.

LeVar, I'm still waiting for my triple Bs. I spent $500 on them. Didn't buy them. But then I seen yours, and I'm like, bro, he really, really you and the camera he really got his own shoe and I'm like that's hard like and I'm like

I tell bro I want some of his shoes they like it he don't give them out what made you do that though um so basically again like kind of

entrepreneur mindset like I'm again second round pick all that stuff Nike wanted to give me like a $50,000 merch deal ooh

I was just like but no not $50,000 just a little merch if you know anything about that your family fly through that thing before you even get it yeah i might as well not even have it yeah i'm sitting there like yeah what would it be like to uh you know i'm saying i'm on a shoe blah blah and like i used to draw shoes as a kid so it was like you know crime brother doing his raps i'm drawing shoes just killing time and i was like let me try it and so it's it's both harder and not as hard as you think if you have like a template to build off of which was a kobe and so kobe's my favorite player i wore kobe's all the time and so that's kind of how my shoe was constructed and then it turned to a business basically which then uh1, which is basically almost.

I mean, you got probably like three major brands in China is leaning into 361. And so then they bought me out and my signature went up under them. And so, you know, now I've had a signature with them for three years and going forward with that. So it ended up working because, you know, that path took me to them. Not only did I make a little bit of money doing my own shoe, but then, you know, when you're shown you can do it and they buy you out and all that other stuff,

become partners, everything, they pay you for all that. So it turned into a whole different type of deal than obviously, like, you know, you know how it is with like Nike and them like, ain't nobody getting no real money off of Nike

unless you are the guy. One, two, three. Yeah, you gotta be Brian, you know, KD, Kyrie,

those guys. Other than that, like, you're not making no real money off them. But 361, I got some players on that. Oh yeah.

Definitely. Because we just got Jokic. Yeah. Yeah, that was like, when Jokic came over, yeah, it's lit. I think Aaron Gore might be there.. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Because we just got Jokic. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, when Jokic came over, yeah, it's lit. I think Aaron Gore

might be there. Aaron Gore was first. Yeah. Then it was me. Yeah. Then now they got Jokic, so it's probably going to be a thing. Is that just an on-the-court shoe

or off-the-court shoe? I mean... They're versatile. They got some lifestyle joints. They would say off-the-court too, but I'm not really a... Are you going to wear with some jeans?

...basketball, off-the- the court type guy. I think the only basketball shoes you can get away with off the court is probably J's, bro. Nobody's really wearing Kobe's or bronze or anything. Don't wear the bronze to the club. Let's be real. I know they say you can, and maybe Bron did some promo for that or Harden did some promo for that, but nobody doing that, bro.

It's J's. You got designers, Chucks, Vans, like, in terms of American culture off the court. Yeah.

I work in 360 modes off the court. If y'all come, just call me. Y'all know how I am. Y'all know how I am. We gonna get y'all. Y'all know how I am.

Yeah. I wear a lot of shoes. Pull them up, Mike. Is that them right there? That's, yeah, that's lashes. Those are the tw Mike. Is that them right there? Yeah, that's last year's.

Those are the twos. Okay. DVD too? Huh? I'm wearing it. I think it drops in like... I think it was supposed to drop in. So can we get some threes, man?

Okay. Can we get some threes, man? We can wear them on the show. That's what I'm talking about. And I'm hooping them. Matter of fact, I hoop all the time still. There we go. I hoop the Antus.

I hoop in some hard nines. It's nines, rightoped in Antus. I hooped in some Horror Nines. That's Nines, right? Yes, sir. I just hooped in some Horror Nines. Shout out to the family. Shout out to the Deezer family. I hooped in the De'Aaron Fox.

Shout out to the family. Put it in Under Armour. All the guys. We're going to get y'all right. Yeah, yes. Y'all got sweat suits and shit? We got all that, yeah. All right, cool, bro.

Two X. Damn. Oh, what for? Damn. Only reason I got this on right now is because of the Maverick gear that's it

just give me a large two inch crate y'all funny bro Smith's one to love that's hard though that is hard I fuck with them I fuck with them too

matter of fact I want that color that apple green is fire alright we'll shop off camera for sure. I got you. Listen,

man, hell of a career. You've been around for a lot of different stuff. I got to ask you, most recently, we're going to fast forward a little bit.

Where were you at when you found out that Luka Dodgers was no longer your teammate? That's crazy. So, let me tell you, like,

I don't think anybody would disagree with this. Going into the season, you would have thought he was untouchable. So Wimby and Ant Edwards and probably Tatum and L and those type guys. It was just crazy because we had an early game against Cleveland the next day, so I went to sleep early.

You know how on a normal game day you might be up 12, 1, whatever, because you ain't got to be up until 8 or 9, so So you still getting your 6, 7, 8 hours, whatever. But we had to be up early. We were playing at like 2 or something like that. So I probably went to bed at like 11 or maybe even a little bit earlier than that. So when I woke up, I knew it was a problem or not a problem, but I knew it was something went on because I had like other NBA player missed calls, like, like Zach Levine, D-Lo, like people, like I was, I opened up my phone, like, why I got like three missed calls from D-Lo?

Why I got like a couple missed calls from Zach? Like the hell going on? Like I saw my agent, but like, whatever, he calling for whatever he calling for. And then I went to my messages and that's when, you know what I'm saying? It set in. So, um, yeah, I mean, I was just shocked, bro. Like, I don't think there's any other way to put it like you know both l and ad my friends so it's kind of like yeah you know it sucks that they're also acting like ad ain't

probably a top five power forward all time so like talk about it bagging chips or something which is crazy but i just think anybody that said they could have thought it was going to happen or predicted it or that's a lie. Like, everybody was, everybody was shocked. Nah.

That's one of the moments where everybody remembers where they were when that shit happened. That was like a monumental NBA moment. That's going down in NBA history.

It was one of the most shocking moments in NBA history. For sure. The fact that it was, it's not a, like, I know everybody

got hurt this year. Yeah. I mean, y'all, everybody's hurt. Oh, it's not a like I know everybody got hurt this year yeah I mean y'all everybody's hurt oh it's insane yeah it's crazy we almost forfeited the game

or something like that that's what the report said I don't know the rules but that's what they said they said we almost forfeited damn it's crazy

everybody got hurt but when you look back at that trade it's not a it's Luka is great man he's amazing but it's not a—Luka is great. Man, he's amazing.

But it's not as bad as it looks. No, that's what I said. Like, AD a top five powerful. Yeah, top 75 for sure. You know what I'm saying? Top 75. And if you look at what he was able to do in conjunction with, like, Gaff and stuff in the Rockets game, the one game they played, they played the first half. I think the Rockets scored 38 points, maybe. Yeah, it was looking good. And the Rockets, to one game. They played the first half. I think the Rockets scored 38 points, maybe.

Yeah, it was looking good. And the Rockets, I would say, what, second in the West, something like that? They hooping. They doing well. And that trio of P.J., A.D., and Gaff, there was nowhere to go. So, you know, that was exciting to see. I understood what was going on. I mean, it still was a to see. I got, I understood what was going on. I mean,

it still was a shocking trade. I understood it, but it wasn't like, like, damn, they ain't getting nothing back. Yeah. That was the thing.

Like, and like I said, they both my friends and L to me is probably the best offensive player in the NBA right now. You know what I'm saying? And, but AD might be the best two way player, probably him and Giannis.

Right? Like, so it's not like, you know, it know it's it's it's a tough position to be in like i said the only thing that that sucks is that they acting like ad a bum that's that's the crazy part like you can feel how you feel about the trade win lose better for now better for future whatever it may be but like we gotta stop acting like AD ain't AD. We got to stop that. That's Anthony Davis, bro. We got to stop that. We talking about good guards now.

Now we talking my language. You said Luka the best offensive guard. You think Luka Bagg is deeper than Shea? Shea? Or Ant Edwards?

You guard, you guard all these. Yeah, and you a bigger guard. And you one of the best isolation guards in the league. Yes. And I know that.

I know that. I know that. Listen, listen. Can I tell you this all the time? I think this year right now I'm like top 15, but every other year I've been like top 10. Yeah, I know. I've been like one, two, or three. No shit all the time? I think this year right now I'm like top 15, but every other year I've been like top 10.

Yeah, I know. Because I've been like one, two, or three. No, no, no. I know. I know. I'm top 10. Like, it'd be years where like, and I'd be catching hella heat on like social media and shit

because they'll look at like the rankings and it'll be like KD, Jimmy, Spence. And then like the other guys will be like Tatum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, how the hell he in there? Why he in there? Now that between the legs hesitation, he's going, I know it. Draw the foul. I'm there.

I'm there. I'm locked in. I know it. I would say back between those three, you guard all three. Who's the toughest cover? Toughest cover for me. Chase, man.

No, no. So here's the deal. I think, I think styles make fights. Facts. Like for example, somebody I hate guarding that won't be in that list,

Darius Garland. He just, so much just jittery shit that I'm like, bro, relax. End of my career. Shout out to you.

Yeah, like, I'm like, bro, like, stop, stop moving so much. Shea likes to get to

that like, big shoulder bump to the midi, which for me is a little bit easier than like, like I said, Darius Garland

or something like that because I can kind of pause, if necessary, absorb that contact and still kind of play him. I like that. But he got a crazy whistle, though. So you're a fuck around foul out, too. Superstar whistle. Superstar.

L got postgame, but Ant right now, with the way he's shooting the three and as explosive as he is, like that's tough coverage. So you want to sleep early for it. Yeah. All they all nice though. It's tough.

Like, to be honest, like Shay's bag with pivots and stuff like that in terms of what we think of as guards, it's probably a little bit deeper than theirs, but Ant's got the explosiveness and once you add the post game, it changes that conversation

with L because, you know, you put a small guy on L, like he's really walking you to the block. Christmas. Like Shay's bump fade off the block,

that's more like ISO two-man game. Like, Luka really bury you. Like, he'll just walk you down, walk you down, walk you down. you down walk you

down push out of your feet you know what i'm saying like they they all tough covers they all to me are elite guards and obviously they're all in the mvp conversation every year whatever they've been these last couple of years but i i know you and like seeing you compete against them and you are a bigger guard to me but you 6566 i5", 6'6". I'm 6'1". I used to be like, this motherfucker tall as shit. Yeah, you were a lot taller than what I thought. Yeah, I'm like, he tall as shit. So, I remember I was on the Pacers.

And you were playing for Brooklyn. And the point guard was Isaiah Whitehead. You started at Brooklyn. Yes, I swear. And people that know me, I talk shit all day. So, I'm talking shit to Kenny. I'm like, you got to get this motherfucker

out of here. He can't play. I'm like, he can't play. And Kenny's like, y'all shut the fuck up. And then you subbed in and Kenny,

y'all shooting a free throw. I walked in and I'm like, yo, he can't play. He was like, this motherfucker can't. And he pointed at Spence and I'm like, I'm like, what? He wasn't playing. He was like, this motherfucker can't. And he pointed at Spence. And I'm like, what? He wasn't playing.

He was like, he's going to be starting from here on out. I tell you that. Watch. I'm telling you. 6-6. Me and him are having a conversation in the middle of the game. And then I seen it fast forward. I'm like, damn, this motherfucker about to get paid.

Kenny seen something. You came off the bench and it was just Brooke Lopez shooting threes and all that shit. Then you came and you started starting. You had your run, but Kenny called that shit out. I remember that game. Isaiah Whitehead was starting. You came in and he called that shit out. You a bucket, for sure. I appreciate

you, Kenny, man. Yeah. Yeah, Kenny, you're real. For sure, man. The blueprint's real with him. We talking about Ty Jerome right now. His impact on guards is real one for sure man the blueprint is real with him we talk about Todd Jerome right now like his impact on guards is proven for sure

even like D-Lo he got with Kenny it was just for sure I think like the other thing too is like when when Kenny was younger

he used to hoop with you he used to be in a so you felt like like he had your back in a sense like he gonna do the workout with you type of vibe

like sometimes it was crazy and he got hurt doing it like Torres Quahog one time doing that shit. But, damn. Oh, yeah. And I was trying to isolate Jared Allen when we was all kids, basically.

Back in Brooklyn. Tore his shit. Kenny out of park. Kenny doing one-on-one. Jared Allen was great. I used to play Kenny. I tried to really, like, Kobe clear out. I used to play Kenny.

I used to play Kenny every day. But he used to play with no shoes. Oh, I didn't see that. Oh, no. He used to play barefoot. Excuse me? I swear to God. Kenny American?

He played overseas for a long time. He went to Richmond. Oh, okay. But he used to play barefoot. Like, I come in, he will be barefoot. I'm like, Kenny, where that came from? And then, you do your drills, he'll guard you the whole drill. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But he used to play barefoot. Three on three with us. And he got the lemon pepper step. But that boy out there hooping with no socks on. That boy got the real grip. I ain't gonna lie. He took me. God's own connection.

I was right here. I was just making it in the league. I was starting. I got with Kenny. Made the All-Star team. Kenny left. Start cruising again. Playing niggas that are in the NBA

one on one on a hardwood floor barefoot is different I swear my right handed guy y'all ever meet Kenny Axe me

I can ask him he used to play with no shoes I didn't know that I didn't see that I swear to God but yeah nah he being the foxhole

which people don't understand how much like situation a coach's belief all that stuff like it matters because there's only so many people

that can go to the front office and be like, oh, nah, this is what we're going to do. I don't care what the coach says, like blah, blah, blah. And that's like, if you're under that superstar tier, bro, and the coach says like, nah, we're going to play this way, then that's the way you playing. Whether that's to your strength, whether it's not, you might be out there looking ass,

even though you got a specific strength. But if you tell you to do it, you got to try to do it. I i remember kenny that's why i'm happy for what they're doing in cleveland you have a hell of a year and you see all them guys thriving even the guys come off the bench have moments i'm a i'm a big advocate for kenny atkinson that's one of my favorite coaches i ever played for you coming up under kenny could you see yourself coaching one day or taking one of them type of roles in the league? Hooping against the young niggas barefoot? I mean... Not that. For me, I mean,

I could see if, like, because Dallas got a real good, like, family kind of atmosphere. I think, you know, Cuban really tried to, or MC, sorry, really tried to establish that. I think it's carrying over, obviously, with a lot of former players like Tyson Chandler, Sean Marion, sorry, but he tried to establish that. I think it's carrying over, obviously, with a lot of former players like Tyson Chandler, Sean Marion, like still employed by him.

Mike Finley. Yeah, Mike Finley. Like if it was a situation where I was like almost a practice player, but getting like a, just a small assistant coach salary, not anything crazy, but like practice player, I come in on your home games, but I don't got to travel, like all that.

Like I could do that, but the passion of really being to travel. Like, all that. Like, I could do that. But the passion of really being, like, a head coach and all that. That's too serious. Ain't Sham got over there with y'all? Yeah. Yeah. But Sham a real coach, though. Like, he travels.

He's doing all the stuff. Locked in. I'm like a Tyson Chandler. Yeah. Tyson Chandler right now. He's at every home game, all the home practices. He don't travel. Like, I could do that.

Like, practice with the players, stay in shape, be an OG, give wisdom, but then like, when y'all leave, and y'all are stressed.

I see y'all. I get back. I see y'all. I'm not going to Indiana. What kind of game are you going to get from here? Damn, that's what we are right now.

I feel you. I feel you. I'm putting up to that talk. That's crazy. I love you anyway, man. I don't know. I just, that's where we at. I feel you. But one thing I'll say's going to put up to that talk. That's crazy. Smith, we love you anyway, man. I don't know. That's where we at.

I feel you. But one thing I'll say about the Mavs, they be here and get a test. Hey, they take care of their people, boy. And listen, we went last year.

I ain't going to bring that up, man. Yeah, we can. I'm talking about the hospitality, bro. We can. That food, man, for the friends and family was piff.

Yeah. Yeah, it was not what the patients had. Nah, y'all eat. Y'all eat good. You know what I'm saying? Our man, he just, he chose to get a Wagyu hot dog. Yeah. Yeah, he travels. Yeah, he was not what the patients had. Y'all eat good. Arbenz, he chose to get a

Wagyu hot dog. He travels. Hot dog contests, all that type of shit. He went for the glizzy. He's a glizzy monster. He's a glizzy monster. They said they had lobster, steak,

shrimp, fried ribs. They took care of us. He went to the Wagyu station. And got a glizzy. Freaky Mike went and got a glizzy at lobster steak and shrimp. You know it's different when you eat with white people. They say you try to glizzy around. Oh, wow.

They say, oh, wow. Adley and the hitters crazy this nigga embarrassing us all the way in Dallas shout out to the first class organization for sure for sure

for sure I'll bet listen obviously it's been an up and down year for y'all, but I want to ask you, I know you are tapping into the social medias, but

you're like your teacher. I don't want to talk too much about it, but how was that, like, playing for that organization and then, like, being on the internet at the same time? Oh, uh, I mean, just because I'm from LA, you kind of understand going there what it's going to be so

I didn't go in there expecting like for it to be something different like because the way I got there obviously with the whole like Brooklyn thing

and all the shit that went on that way and then picking a team in the buyout market you know for Dallas they had Dallas and Lake

just kind of had a similar year like nobody knew Dallas was going to take off like the PJ and Gaff additions like like changed the whole trajectory you know and the way they gelled and all that stuff so you know credit to them making the finals with the Lakers like I knew okay D'Lo's there AR's there uh Bron AD so it's not like I'm coming there and average 20 like You know that going in there. For the fan base, you know it's win or you ask. There's no in between. Certain fan bases are like, oh, you tried hard.

They're like, win or you suck. I went there knowing that. It wasn't as bad as for me, for some people. I was mad at you, man. For not going to Dallas? I said, he got to go to Dallas because you just had a phenomenal... Yeah.

You just showed... I'm like, he know them. Yeah. He just killed there. Yeah. He got to go back there. And when you went to LA, I said, he got to go to Dallas.

You said it on here too. I did. I said, he supposed to go to Dallas. Nah. Hindsight, yeah. I mean, obviously with the finals run and back here this year and all that stuff, like, for sure would have been great.

But it's hard to turn down LA. Bruh, yeah. You know, you from there and all that stuff. And like I said, at the time, both teams were kind of in, like, the middle slash lower end lower end of the playoff race

of the Western Conference like nobody knew I think they went like 18 and 2 at one point like nobody said they was ball they

when the when the switch clicked or how do you want to say it like Dallas took off you know what I'm saying so

I don't regret it, but obviously, who wouldn't want to go to the finals after already being at the conference finals? It is what it is. No, for sure. I got to ask, man. Some of the practice you've probably seen,

you got two of the most skilled basketball players ever between Luke and Kyrie. What's it like just to see them up close? Obviously, we know you, Kobe, but just to see them just hoop on a consistent basis, is that motivating? Is everybody buying into that?

Can you see everybody on teams is like, I really fuck with basketball, for real. You don't see that a lot. I think the difference with Kyrie and any other player that I've been around, again, maybe pause if needed, but the way he moves,'s like artistic in a sense. You know what I'm saying?

So it's just, it's a very different, like eye test, right? Like some people are explosive. Some people are, you know, this or that dominant can shoot it.

Well, whatever, like been around a lot of greats, like even the Katie's Lucas, Ron, even like, it's just the way he does it is more appealing to look at, if that makes sense.

Yeah, Lucas is dominant. Like, you know, he can run off 10 threes. He can post you up. He can get to the dark fade in the middie. He got everything. And then his passing is sensational, too. So, you know, I mean. There's nothing you can't say about L.

I just think the eye test from just how it looks, probably him and Paul George got the most appealing games to look at. No, Paul George is amazing. You talk about all the youngsters, they always say, I want to play like Paul George. When I used to watch him in practice youngsters, they always say, who I want to play like, Paul George.

When I used to watch him in practice when we played in Indiana, I used to just be like, he cold. Yeah, you used to say that all the time. I'm like, he cold, bro. Legendary crossover snatchback, bro. He was cold.

Only game I seen that was better than him in practice was Derek. Like, when you seen D-Rose, it was just like, man, what the hell? Something ain't right. How are you moving this fat? You didn't do it.

People saying you sad, you didn't feel it. And you still just doing shit that's unbelievable. But I couldn't imagine Kyrie, you know, guarding him. At one point in my career, I guarded Kyrie more than anybody in the NBA.

Really? That's a fact, bro. That's a fact, which is crazy, I guarded Kyrie more than anybody in the NBA. Really? That's a fact, bro. Which is crazy. I guarded him more than anybody else. I've experienced those islands. His shot making ability was always a thing for me. I remember one game we played Indiana. I literally guarded for 18

seconds. I remember watching a clip when I came back and I was guarding my ass off. To know Kyrie, he can go left and do all that shit, but he prefers to go right. That's his preferred hand. He can go left. We know that. But I was forcing him left, and I was on his shit. And somehow he got back to that right anyway, and he hit a fallout fadeaway.

Nobody helped me, mind you. He went from the left side of the court all the way to the right side of the court. He shot a fadeaway and hit it. I never got any help. After the game, I watched the clip and I was just like, what the fuck am I supposed to do? Mind you,

that game he had 37 points. Damn. All his shots were just in my face. I was like, I can't guard no better, so I might as well just stop. I'm not lying, bro. Yo, what the fuck are you doing? Are we on our show or?

He just serving everybody. He gave me, I'm not, he did. I'm not going to lie. I guard him the most, like shit, he was averaging 28. Oh yeah, so he had a lot of 40s. How many times did he get 40s? Yeah, so.

Okay. he was averaging 28 oh yeah so he had how many times did he get 40 yeah so okay damn hold on first of all that's when he first went to Brooklyn I know that game oh that was the Minnesota game

yeah I wouldn't that's that clip yeah where he fell and tried to cross and almost made it I don't know

what he got against me I don't know why he was like that on me bro so thirsty to be an anti-athlete't know what he got against me. I don't know why he was like that on me, bro. So thirsty to be an anti-athlete. You know what? That's what I'm trying to work and go through. He's a soldier. I hooped in Kyrie today.

I'm not. He never had under 20. Every hand. He never had under 20? One time. He had zero. I know that. Yeah, I locked him up.

He probably didn't play. That's a him up. He probably didn't play. That's a BMP. He probably didn't play. Put that on to your resume. He had 20 every day. Every day. Them putting a zero point on you, and he didn't play,

is crazy. Damn, he had 20 points every day. That nigga can't even guard me on the bench. Y'all, first game ever. Yeah, I locked him up that game. I remember he was a rookie. I told him,

after the game, I said, you're going. I remember he was a rookie. I told him, after the game, I said, you're going to be a good player, kid. You're lying. I did. No. He wasn't, but he was going to be good.

We beat the shit out of him. We probably beat him by 30. I'm like, you're going to be good. But he knew he was unreal then. But I called y'all. Yeah. Oh, God, he did.

That's a fact. I said, yo, he's going to be the best. He's one of the hardest players I've ever had to guard. He's going to be one of the best players in the NBA. But I said, you're going to be good, God, he did. That's a fact. I said, yo, he's going to be the best. He's one of the hardest players I've ever had to guard. He's going to be one of the best players in the NBA. But I said, you're going to be good, kid. Keep working. Next thing you know, he ain't score under 20.

What the? Mike, fuck you. Hey, your memory's amazing, bro. What stories you tell? I don't know. Appreciate that. What'd I do? Second?

Go ahead. Mike, I didn't play a lot. We've blown him out. Only 14 is great. Mike, I didn't play a lot. We've blown him out. Only 14 is great. Mike, I didn't play a lot. How many minutes? How many minutes? We didn't play a lot.

Oh, yeah. That's it. That's half a game. I didn't even get the fourth quarter. That's half a game. What game was that? He had to be with LeBron. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was a tough night. Tough night. How many points did he get? Motherfucker. Playing 44 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a tough night. How many points did he get? Motherfucker. Playing 44 minutes, that's the whole game. Y'all gonna say, boy, you did not sub at all.

You playing for Tim, nigga? I don't know what game that was because I ain't never played 44. He had a good night. He shot more than me. Clearly. Did I ever have a good game? Did I have a good game against him?

Yeah. Okay. Let's shout that one. Let's shout that one. Let's shout that one. Yeah, 34. Okay, cool. And a game winner. As a matter of fact,

I hit the game winner right now. On Tristan? Yeah. It is. Okay, cool. What's your high? 40. I was like, yeah, he...

On who? The Spurs. DeJounte and D. White. Wow. Pull it up. What the fuck? What year was that? Load up the drink. You gave us 36?

Where was I at? I am. So you gave 40 DeJounte and us? That's a tough one. Getting 40 on the Spurs? I remember that because D-White's my guy. Yeah, Colorado. But getting 40 on the Spurs is crazy.

I just wanted to rock with that. Oh, I mean, we weren't together. I know what I'm saying, but that's crazy. For sure. The type of players y'all are, that's crazy. But I can believe he gave us 36. I remember a couple games, you had really good games on us. And I just used to laugh, laugh like because I just remember Kenny

oh shit yeah I ain't give a fuck was I playing oh yeah it was dark that was your first year wasn't it 19 nah he was I was on the way out

that was last year that was before 00 returned yeah I was out of there I probably was like killing him I probably was like keep killing boy go crazy yeah he had a game boy that was a good game I was out of there. I probably was like, kill him. I probably was like, keep killing, boy. Go crazy, Spitz.

Yeah, he had a game, boy. That's a good game. That's a good game. That's a good game. Yeah, shit. Yeah, 36-85. He filled the stat sheet up. Shit.

Shout out to my boy. Matter of fact, wrote a clip when we did a video. The way he wrote a clip on YouTube, Al. Yeah, that'd be a hell of a reel.

Make sure I wasn't in none of those. No, no, no. Just do a Ky a hell of a reel. Make sure I wasn't in none of those. No, no, no. Just do a Kyrie compilation for a reel. Featuring Spence. So, hold on. Wait, what was that?

I didn't have Kyrie give me 40. It is. It's never give me 40. Y'all got me fucked. Hey, shut up. Hey, man, let's... Hey, go ahead.

Keep going, man. I appreciate that. I'll take it. Pause. 36 for Spence, 40 Kyrie. Nah. That's a lot. I never say I was a defensive player.

I never once voiced that. You going to make Jeff click up the flag of fouls? I don't know why I thought he was small, though. I didn't know he was 6'6", bro. Nah, he tall. You know what this one was?

Damn, and he got on some vans. That nigga tall for real. Yeah, yeah. This is real legit. Nah, yeah. Hey, bud, I'm 6'6", bro. Nah, he tall. You walked this one, I said, damn, and he got on some vans. That nigga tall for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is real legit. Nah, yeah. Hey, bud, I'm 6'1". We should... Yeah.

Now, listen, we started off this episode talking about how you saving money. Obviously, we know you're financially intelligent, but when you first got the bag you was real comfortable with, what was your crazy purchase?

Well, I waited until the end of my rookie year and I got a Tesla. Okay. So that was at the very end, basically going into my second

year. That was it. Other than that, you keep it simple. Yeah. I mean, bro, I didn't have no money.

I had no money for real. Were you living in LA still? Yeah. But like, shoot, my first year, I went

back to my parents' house. My second year, I had like a, actually I went back to my parents' house. My second year, I had like a, actually, I might have went back to my parents' house my second year. In my third year, I think I had like one of them little apartments in Beverly Hills, but it wasn't like one of them crazy penthouses. It wasn't none of that. It was like real regular. I moved with my parents my eighth year.

Yeah. You said you moved in or moved out? I moved in with my parents. Oh, but you went back here though, right? Yeah, moved right in with my parents oh but you went back here though right yeah moved right in with my parents that's different that's a different

that's a different situation he trying to have he still trying to live like Michael Orr like tell him why he didn't have to I hate him

everybody know you treasures my parents took my house basically so when I moved back, they rented out their house. Yeah, I was a guest in my home. And they literally took over my bedroom. And they like,

I came in there, my teeth, everything was different. My bed was in the basement. I just, I worked it out for that year. How was that living at home with your parents though, bro? In the league.

Did you have to come in the house before a certain time nah I ain't gonna lie to you at that time cause you gotta remember I'm like what 21 something like that so I'm not like

oh they're like hey could you you know check in when you're gonna yeah yeah nah they were like that cause my parents were like old school facts

all that stuff so they were saying all that and I was like yeah I would've went right back to Detroit nah I remember I came to stay in my house my rookie year my mom and dad house i came home for my birthday weekend i came home at four my mom was like whoa like we not doing that damn i said i'm going back because i'm doing that like you don't know my life, but I live in Atlanta. The club don't start till 1.

Oh, yeah. Nah, you had it rolling. Yeah, I'm in Detroit, bro. I'm in Detroit. Nah, nah, nah, because you think in Detroit, Detroit. I was out in Auburn Hills.

Ooh, it was different. At the Palace. At Auburn Hills, yeah, that was... But we used to be at Birmingham. Yeah. It was like a 30-minute drive, bro. Yeah, yeah, okay, respect.

I just don't know. Just you being in the league and your daddy saying, hey, my nigga, you wild. Like... They kept minute drive, bro. Yeah, yeah. Okay, respect. I just, I don't know. Just you being in the league and your daddy saying, hey, my nigga, you wild. Like... They kept it cool, though. I mean, it was subtle. It wasn't like,

nah, you can't do it. It was like, hey, you know, like... Tap in. Can you cheer? Like, let us know. And I was just... They just were.

They just parents. Yeah, I was like... Ain't nothing wrong with them. Plus, like I said, bro, I was broke. Like, I didn't even get a first round, like, million. No, it was like 500,000, bro. So, like I said, bro, I was broke. I didn't even get a first round million. No, it was like $500,000, bro.

So after taxes, $250,000. After you spend your monthly, you got maybe $100,000, $150,000, whatever it was. You're not in a rush to be like, oh, I'm going to spend $5,000, $6,000 on an apartment for a couple months. And that $100,000 turned into $80,000. Okay, but when you got that that bag from Brooklyn Mm-hmm. Everybody gets some I Mean I got a couple things like I got like the

The Panther and the Spider-Man, like the APs. Look at him. Look at him. He a wise guy. I ain't never bought nothing. Oh, really? I bought a house.

You did? That's all. I didn't buy my crib in LA until my second deal. That's when I got that one. There we go. Nah, you did it smart. Yeah, smart, man.

I housed up immediately. I was ready to be A&P it was worth it I was ready to have a go I was ready to run a party the real content house I was ready to get the content rolling before the bar I was A&P I was ready to throw the party

the pool party was going crazy I was lit I still ain't bought nothing I still need to throw the party. Pool party's going crazy. Yeah, I was lit. But other than that, I ain't bought nothing. I still ain't bought nothing. I still need to buy a watch. Oh, yeah. You got to do that.

Yeah, I'm free. I haven't bought a watch ever. I'm surprised by that. Yeah, I got to do something. You got to cop the Raleigh off the shelf. Off the shelf. For sure. They do.

My wife's wedding ring they might like me cost enough for sure listen man we know you got plenty of things to do man we appreciate you sliding man telling people

they can grab the kicks that man to support baby I think it's 361 you want to say that I'll say he thinks no I don't know the website USA not Hong Kong

listen no no no hey listen they the best partners ever. I just don't know the exact website because it's like three different websites. That's why. There we go.

That's what I'm saying. They got like three different websites, bro. And shout out to Spence, man. Hey, it's been a great time. I ain't going to lie. Now we put him on. We're going to need our shoes. Oh, I got you.

Oh, yeah, because we're going to treat you like the 3B company, bro. Lamar Ball and them. We're we gonna treat you like the 3B company bro Lamar Ball and them we gonna treat you like them we definitely gonna shout it out it's official they right there bro it's not even in my control

what talk to my people what niggas say talk to my people this is what I'm doing y'all shoes in my control I'm my people. This is what I'm doing. No, y'all should be in my control. I'm talking about the website.

Okay, okay. Yeah, I'm saying like, it's all good. That's a general mission. Fuck them. We be out of here. We in the club. Y'all should be in my control. You know what I'm saying? For sure, man.

Thank you, though. Appreciate you. We'll be out next time. Like, share, subscribe. All that good stuff. We'll be back, Club 520. The Volume. We'll be out next time. Like, share, subscribe. All that good stuff. We'll be back. Club 520. The Volume.

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