Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Stephen Jackson on NBA Finals win with Spurs, CRAZY NBA stories, starting All The Smoke

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 6 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Stephen Jackson to tell CRAZY stories about playing in the NBA and partying from city to city throughout the season. Stephen Jackson talks about winning an NBA Finals with the San Antonio Spurs, starting All The Smoke, and much more. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. Special, special guest in the building to my left. We're going to introduce my man's last one to my far left. We got my dog, Bishop B. Henn out the pearlies. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. Let's get to it.

I know you always keep your feet proper. Now, he's showing out so that we in the A, you know what I'm saying? He ain't playing. He ain't playing with him today, but normally he in the Black Forces

with the white laces. Oh, yeah. I know what I'm saying. You from PAT. Yeah. When you see the Black Forces down there, what that mean? We don't really do

the Black Forces as the bad thug niggas and the white forces the pretty boys. Like, we don't do that. Yeah. It's either in you or it's not. You know what I'm saying? Regardless of what you got on.

But the forces wasn't as big as Air Max, where I'm from. We used to wear the Air Max. Okay. 95s? Yeah, 95s. That was big. The forces wasn't as big coming up in PA. Okay.

The all black 95s, though. Is that straight? Any color, 95s. Okay. Any color. Yeah. Especially them red ones. Yeah, facts. Turn me up. To my right, my dog 95s, though. Is that straight? Any color 95s. Okay, you good with money? Any color, yeah. Especially them red ones. Yeah, facts.

Turn me up. To my right, my dog, young Nacho, young Tig. How you doing, man? I'm chilling, bro. Hype, man. We got somebody in here that's kind of like an inspiration to us. We started the pod. They got the pod.

Started, they rolling. Got their whole, they taking over everything. All the smoke productions everywhere. So it's hype to have somebody in here that we kind of look up to in the podcast game. With Joe and Gilly and all those, too. So it's going to be a here that we kind of look up to in the podcast game with Joe and Gilly and all those two. So it's going to be a good show for us.

For sure, man. Listen, you know, as a Pacers fan, I'm locked in. Been waiting for this episode, man. For sure. With some Naptown boys. Yes, sir.

I can't wait till we get to it. Come on, man. We got ABA Chip, like you said, all the smoke that him and Max showed away for this podcast game, man.

We got Stack Jack in the building. Stevie Jackson, appreciate you putting on the big dog, man. Bro, thank y'all for having me, man. And good y'all flowers, too. Y'all created a nice show and made a lot of way in a short time. Appreciate it. Every time I look on social media, I see something from y'all show trending.

So that means y'all doing something right. So, man, I'm honored to be on y'all show, man. Definitely honored. Man, appreciate you. Like you said, man, I love broadcasting, man, especially'm honored to be on y'all's show, man. Definitely honored. Man, appreciate you to have me. Like you said, man, I love broadcasting, man, especially in the sports situation. Like, all the smoke, knuckleheads, like, y'all was the ones right there, you know what I'm saying, to help pave the way for us to be in the situation, man.

So, shout out to y'all, man, for being trailblazers in it, man. We got to start off with a question, man. Yeah. Like I said, we talked about the force. You a Jordan Brown athlete. What's your favorite shoe? Cheers. Cheers.

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Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers favorite shoe? Cheers. I'm a threes and fours guy. Do I go with cheers? Yeah, threes and fours is my shit. It's just the most comfortable one. And actually, that's what I played in. I played in threes and fours, so that's just my go-to. I rock the ones now because that's the shoe they send us the most. We have every one. They might not

send all the fly shit, but they go send you every Jordan one. You know what I'm saying? But for the most part, threes and fours. For sure. We know you was hooping in the Proto-J's and you got to the shit, but they gonna send you every Jordan one. You know what I'm saying? But for the most part, three to four. For sure. We know you was hooping in the Protege's and you got to the Jordan, but... The Bobcats. I don't want to look at you yet. Protege's? I played

in them shit. Let me tell you what's about the Protege's. Shout out Al. Shout out to Al. And don't shout out Al at the same time. Because he didn't read my answer. Bro, every quarter of the game, if you want to know what moves I made on the court, all you have to do is look. Because the black shit from the shoes was all over the court, bro.

Then, each quarter, I'm tearing a hole in each pair of dogs. I played no shoes for like six months. After that, I had bone spurs in my foot for three years. Fucking with them protege's trying to be lawyer to my homeboy. Now, we made a little bread off of it, but it was not worth it, bro. I'm telling you, it wasn't worth it. Yeah. Let's go through the crazy shoe rankings.

We're going to put in the protege's. We're definitely going to put in the Starberry's. They made by the same people. Steph gave Al a plug. Oh, so y'all didn't know that? No, no. Steph did it. He gave the plug to Al.

Al was like, Zach, I think we can do it too. Fuck it. Let's try it. Hey, and it didn't work. That's how the dope game works. I ain't no sorry with the plug though. That changed a lot now.

But Steph made some good money and he's still making good money. He just started Xavier 3's for his son in China too and they doing pretty good as well. Shout out to Step. Man, shout out to Step.

That's crazy. We was talking about the triple B's that nobody got their shoes. Yeah, I still got mine. You still waiting on them? Yeah, I'm still waiting on my triple B's.

The ball? Yeah, yeah. They shit was way better than the potager. I'm sorry. Nothing was worse than them potagers, dog. They should have

some Skechers out there. For real. But they wearing Skechers now. He was trying to get a deal with her. They wasn't locking in. They wasn't locking in with me. They got Joel and B, though. They straight. Man, them niggas wear anything now. They paying. Yeah, they paying. Them niggas. Niggas put some pro wings on around them, bitch.

Put a stack. Give me a stack. I think it's true, man. We talked about going viral. And one time I said something about Michael Jackson. Everybody killed me. I said,

Drake sings just as good as Michael Jackson. Something like that. That ain't what I meant. It was a long night. It was. It was a long week. It was a long night.

So it came out wrong, though. But you was on, like, you went crazy. You're like, this nigga crazy. Niggas say anything, man. And then you had Kool and Drake went crazy. He DM'd me Michael Jackson songs for, like, a whole day. I'm like, bro, I was just drunk, bro. Like, I don't know.

Hey, you know what? It's funny because it's funny, and I do remember that now. But it's funny because people do really compare Chris Brown and Drake to Michael Jackson. Like, as far as stardom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I would say this. Chris Brown is by far the closest thing to Michael Jackson.

You know what I'm saying? And if you had to have a Michael in hip-hop... Yeah. I was wildin'. I always admit I was wildin'. It would be Drake. It would be Drake. It would be Drake.

I'll step in now. See, you just talking about stardom. Right. That liquor was kicking his ass. He's talking about vocally. Absolutely. What? I didn't want you to tap back in, but you tapped back in.

But y'all went in. Because you, Dre, shout out to Kool and Dre. I'm big on music, roll up music too, but I'm tapped in with y'all. You know what I mean? Background and body of work. But they said something and then you was right on it. It was just... It was crazy. Y'all made my nigga DMs go crazy.

I was just tripping. I was just like... So Kool and Dre sent me the acapella voices and everything. They really know music. They really know music. I'm just tipsy, bro. We just talking shit, bro. That wasn't even supposed to go nothing.

That was not a real if somebody if you had to pick somebody that could be close to Mike vocally who would you pick male or female because I think for me there's only

one female that I can think that's closer to Mike and vocal you gonna say Whitney Houston that's it yeah that's it bro we locked in

we had Joe Button on the podcast. He said, hey, you don't mention music no more. You done, so I'm going to just be done. I'm going to be done. Shout out Drake. Shout out Mike. What makes it so funny is we from Indiana, so for you to make that tape with the 219, they was hot.

Oh, yeah. Who was the biggest rapper from Indiana? Gibbs so far. Freddie Gibbs? He dropped a new project too as far. We don't have to. Freddie Gibbs? Yeah. He dropped a new project too as far. I fuck with Freddie Gibbs too. Thanks to Gibbs. I want to go back to the, you know what I mean, to the beginning.

Port Arthur. Yes, sir. Who put the pill in your hands? Like when you pick it up and find the love for it. So I grew up in Port Arthur, Texas, small town. All my family worked at refineries. So I grew up on the west side. All my uncles, my cousins, they all played basketball. And to put it text, you know, football is big small town. All my family worked at refineries. So I grew up on the west side. All my uncles, my cousins, they all played basketball.

And in Texas, you know, football is big on Fridays. But when football is over, that same energy transfers to basketball. So on Friday nights growing up, there was one high school that we all grew up, went to, it's called Lincoln High School. Everybody have a Lincoln High School. And they used to win state championships and grow up. So growing up, I used to watch them and go watch them play. So I inherited it from my uncles and cousins.

But at five years old, that's when they all knew I was good. I had 42 points. I had 40 points in the 42-point game. Damn. Yeah. I was five years old. He was passionate. I was about to say, how many assists, but never mind.

None, none, none. For dumb ass scores? I didn't know what assists was back then. But he was fast, baby. Five. None, none, none. None, none. I didn't know what a six was back then. Buddy Hill's fat, baby. Five years old, 40 points. We had 42, another kid that I used to hang with. He scored down the other two. And after that game, I started getting treated different.

You know what I'm saying? By our coaches, by my uncles, by everybody. And I didn't know. I had it at the time. I just thought I was just taller and I was more athletic. But that's when it started. At a... Damn, my memory kicking in a little bit.

95, did y'all win a, you led them to the chip at Lincoln, right? High school state championship, yeah. Yeah, that was your junior year. Yeah, my junior year. Oh, okay. How was that? Oh, and another question, though, too. It's two-part.

Like, I don't want you to talk about that, but is there any other pros that come from Lincoln? No. So, um, B.J. Tyler had a two-year stint. He ended up going to Texas. Yeah, and Tyler had a two-year stint. He ended up going to Texas. Yeah, and he had a two-year stint, but nobody... The crazy part about it is, it's a town that's 15 minutes away called Beaumont,

Texas, and the high school coach I had at the year we won the state championship ended up getting another kid that ended up going out of high school as well and winning the state championship as well, Kendrick Perkins. So we got the same high school coach. You my.

Yeah, we got the same high school coach. We talking about Kendrick dribbling down the street. And the 13th. You don't know it. When he was 16, 15, he was that big, but he was getting it off the rim and bringing it up. Like, he had all that. Before he got to Boston, he had all that, bro.

No, I remember him with the Oakland Soldier. Him and Burrow linked up at AAU. Like, nah, he went to Leach or the hospital. Yeah, you got to be nice. So you just hooped with your guys at Lincoln when y'all won the chip? Yeah, like, we had – the guys I played with, we've been knowing each other from elementary all the way to high school. So leaving them my senior year was something I didn't want to do.

What made Coach Smith come grab you? Well, Josh Passner. He ended up being the coach for Memphis and Georgia Tech. He was my AU coach. He was the same major as Andy's coach. That's crazy. Yeah, he was our coach. Bro, he drove to my hometown.

Let me tell you, I met Josh. So I was killing in Texas basketball, but I wasn't ranked too high. So he drove to my hometown in the middle of the ghetto during the daytime where it's crack being sold, niggas smoking, all kinds of shit. He pulls up by himself. Everybody, I automatically think it's the police. Like, who he looking for? And he calls my name.

So I'm like, man, I don't know you. Don't put me on blast in front of the homies. You know what I'm saying? And he's like, nah, my name is Josh Pastner. I go to Kingwood. I have my own AAU team. I'm like, how old are you, bro? He's like, I'm 17.

Told me he had his AAU team, wanted me to come play on his team. I'm like, bro, I ain't got no money. I ain't got no car. I can't get to Houston. He drove, bro, three times a week from Houston, which is an hour and a half, picking me up, an hour and a half back to practice, an hour and a half back to go to school the next day. That's crazy.

He did this shit three times a week just so I can have a chance to play AAU basketball. And his dad had a relationship with, he worked for Red Cross. He was a big wig in the Red Cross. And he had a relationship with Steve Smith. So he started coming to AAU games. And I remember trying out, this was the school year from the start, and I'm on the football field trying out for football.

I'm running routes. Got the pads on. I ain't thinking about basketball yet. My mom, my coach, and my uncle come around the corner. I'm like, oh, shit, this can't be good. Like, take this shit off. You going to Oak Hill. I'm like, going to Oak Hill?

For what? We can go back to back. I'm trying to stay. They're like, nah, your ass stay here. You going to jail. You know what I'm saying? Cause I stayed in trouble. I stayed in trouble around that time.

So I didn't see what they was doing for me at the time. You know what I'm saying? I was hard headed. I wanted to be home with my friends. And sending me to Oak Hill was the best thing that ever happened to be home with my friends. And sitting in Oak Hill was the best thing that ever happened to me. That's crazy. And we just had Smooth on.

He know. He know. A girl say, I know we had a little bit of a conversation, but who your top five? So who your starting five you take from Oak Hill?

Brandon Jennings. Okay. BJ at the one. Rondo. I'm sorry. I got to go small. BJ, Rondo, because they was just that good when they was there. We talking about Ed O'Kill.

Yes, sir. Mello, Josh, and KD. It's tough. That's crazy fire. Dude. I'm going to let you know. I got to give you and Ty, though. Ty Lawson.

I got to be on par. Ty Lawson was a problem, too. Nasty, bro. Yeah, Ty was a problem. Trip Dub Monster. Ty was a problem. Shout out to my nigga Ty. Yeah, shout out to Ty Lawson. And his squad is kept.

He don't get spoken on, though, but Nolan was killing out there, too. Nolan was getting too out there. Nolan is a winner. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? Nolan is a winner. Shout out to Nolan. Nolan is a winner.

Even that Duke, he brought that winning field. So Nolan's just a winner, bro. He was solid. For sure. We got to talk about it, man. a winner. Even at Duke, he brought that winning feel. So Nona's just a winner, bro. He was solid. For sure. We gotta talk about it, man. One of our favorite OGs, Mike Bibby. Yup. That was his vet.

That's my real brother. That was his vet. That was my vet. Here in Atlanta? Yup. When I first got my rookie year, he was- Burn out, Amy. Oh my God, bro.

One of my favorite people in the world, bro. Bro, let me tell you how close me and Mike is. I had to meet my wife, talked about an alterationation when I ended up getting married and I ended up calling the wedding off right before the wedding was about to start. Because my wife, my fiance at the time, was signing a prenup. And I was her at the time. To be honest, I was crying afterwards. I was her because all this stuff.

My family was there. It was just a lot on me. Mike's mom came and wiped snot from my nose and from my face with her bare hands and told him I became a man. That's when I knew she really loved me. But his mama did that to me. That let y'all know how tight we are. You know what I'm saying?

His mama is really the reason why I made it to the NBA. That's real. That's hard, bro. How did y'all even link up, though? How did y'all? So high school, we both signed with Arizona. So we had the number one recruiting class that year. And the first semester, I actually stayed with them on campus

because I couldn't pass the test. I wasn't even going actually to take it. I was just like, they're going to have to just give me the grade or something. And I took the test a couple times and still couldn't pass it. Where I end up, after the first semester, they had to kick me off campus. So, my mama had got together. Like, he can't come back to Port Arthur. Like, that ain't it.

Like, so my mama let me stay with her. And I worked out with his older brother, Dane. They was taking me to work out every day. And one morning, she woke me up. She's like, get your shoes. And Dane wasn't there. So, I'm like, where we going? She's like, just get your shoes.

And we in the car. She ended up driving me to the Phoenix Suns Arena where they play it now. And Dane wasn't there. So I'm like, where we going? So I just get your shoes. And we in the car, she ended up driving me to the Phoenix Suns Arena where they play it now. And we walked out. I'm like, I'm looking at her like, because when we drive in,

like she didn't have to say her name to, you know, normally you got to have a pass up. She just waved at him like, you got to pull like that around this motherfucker.

Face card. Yeah. So we come down and pull and she, you know, she had already talked to Danny Ainge and to bring me down to play pickup.

And Jason Kidd immediately embraced me. He ended up picking me on his team. That's when I was young, so I was catching lives and all kinds of shit. I was going crazy in there. I was high and all that. I was. I was raw. And after I played, Danny Ainge told me that they had one pick in the draft,

the second to the last pick, but the roster was full. But they're like, you know, you played well up to today, that we're going to draft you and guarantee you $250,000, but we're going to send you to CBA. Nigga, I was drafted. In my mind, I'm in the league. I didn't give a damn. $250,000, all that?

Nigga, it's good. Let's go. You know what I'm saying? But once you get in the dough, you know this, T. JT, once you get in the dough, you good. And I got drafted. I bounced overseas, but my name was in that system. You know what I'm saying? For getting you get in the dough, you know this, T. JT, once you get in the dough, you good. And I got drafted. I bounced overseas, but my name was in that system. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? For getting drafted, and that's all I needed. Okay. And I owe that all to Mike Ma. Now, that's dope, bro. I didn't know Danny Angel was there. Was Cedric Sabala there, too? That's one of the people I fried.

You don't like to talk about it because you keep saying we was on the same team. Oh, that's kind. Man, but I fried. Put it like this. My fault, C, but I fried. Put it like this. My fault, C. No, put it like this. If I didn't fry C, I fried everybody else that was there. My bad, C.

Y'all was wrong. We played with you all your big lives. That's my dog. That's my dog. I had a great day that day. I was young and hungry. I had a great day that day. Nah, that's hard, bro.

A great day. How was it overseas then, though? Like, where'd you go first? I went to Venezuela first. Damn. Tell you about my first day in Venezuela, which is crazy. I get there, I automatically didn't go because I'd never been out of the country.

Being up a small time, you go on to Venezuela, rush out of high school to play basketball. My mom was terrified. I get there the first day, they pick me up and they take me straight to practice. It's like a bridge, probably like a mile ahead of us. So now when we get to, we come around the corner, it's the bridge, it's traffic, so everybody going slow. So he's trying to figure out why is it traffic.

When we get to under the bridge, it's a 14-year-old, little small kid about 14, 15 years old, laying on the ground. He had just jumped off a bridge. Damn. That's my first day there. So I'm looking out the window seeing a dead body. My first day in Venezuela. Damn. I'm like, I can't take it. I'm not going to take this shit. I can't, you know what I'm looking out the window seeing a dead body. My first day in Venezuela. I'm like, I can't take it.

I'm not finna take this shit. I can't, you know what I'm saying? Call my mama, my mama G. I'm like, mama, as soon as I tell her everything I see, I'm like, I ain't gonna do that. She's like, so what you gonna come back home and do? Ain't finna be in my house. So I'm like, damn.

I can't. You must have been acting like a fool. I can't. I was, bro. I was, I was, bro. That nigga was acting like a fool I was bro I was I was bro that nigga was acting like a fool

I was bro to be honest I OD'd our sir at the age of 17 twice damn bro before I got to league

so I needed a lot of change you know what I'm saying a lot that's why I credit so many people you know what I'm saying in my life because if I didn't have

all these people I wouldn't be here right now. It's real. That's a real story right there. So when you actually got on the court, that shit was crazy. You know what I'm getting at? How was that though?

In Venezuela it was cool because, you know, I was playing basketball and I was making money. I wasn't making much, you know what I'm saying? I wasn't with my wife then, but I made $30,000. The women were so beautiful in Venezuela, I left all my money there with them. I'm just keeping it real, though. I had never been out of the country,

and you take a little ghetto nigga from Puerto Rico and bring him to Venezuela where they breed Miss Americas? You know what I'm saying? I lost it. I'm going to keep talking to you. I lost it. I probably came back with like $8, $10. I left it all there. You know what I'm saying?

A brick of weed that has seeds. They say a brick of weed has seeds in it. It was like $200. So I was getting the chick that I had. I had to give me a pack of Newports, a brick of weed that has seeds. They say a brick of weed has seeds in it. But you put like $200. So I was getting the chick that I had. I had to give me a pack of Newports, a box. Put all the cigarette, the tobacco out, and stuff the weed in all of them. So I had packed some cigarettes, but it was all weed. So I was enjoying myself out there, bro.

I was 18, 19. I didn't know what to do. I wasn't thinking about saving no money and going home and nothing like that, bro. It was a great experience, but my mind still was like, if I'm having fun here, imagine what I'm going to have when I get to the league, bro. You know what I'm saying? If I can enjoy this, I can enjoy anything. Yeah, that's dope, bro.

That's how I felt when I first went to Miami. I said, yeah, I ain't going back to Miami. I buried a lot of teeth in there. I said, Bivvy, I went out with Bivvy Team, Don, Fat Joe. Oh, no.

And you with Fat Joe, you just the best of the best. Yeah, I said, oh, Lord. I like this style. How long did you stay over there, though? In Venezuela? No, just overseas.

So I've been in Venezuela for six months. I played two years in the Dominican Republic, won a championship there. Played in Australia, broke my foot in Australia. And I played in Cholet, France for like two weeks.

I couldn't stand it because of the smell. And they just wasn't taking care of themselves. You know what I'm saying? Like the gym, all that stuff, like it wasn't something I wanted to be a part of. How was that transition from, you know, the overseas world? Now you, I don't want to mess it up. Like I think you went to New Jersey first. Yes.

So you went straight to New Jersey. How was that, like, transition? Well, for me, I broke both of my feet. The second time I broke my foot, that was the last day of cuts for the Bulls. And I made the team. Like, I went from not having the penny on, the penny jersey, to the last day I got on the purple. I mean, the red. Like, you know what I'm saying?

I'm with the starters. So, if you with the starters last day, when they got two people making the team, you basically know you're making the team. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Broke my foot the day of last cuts. Going for a layup. Broke my foot. Called my mama again. But this time, I was crying like a little bitch.

I'm talking about bawling. Like, maybe this ain't it. You know what I'm saying? I broke both of my feet. Like, I was crying like a little bitch. I'm talking about bawling. Maybe this ain't it. You know what I'm saying? I broke both of my feet. I'm going through all this shit. Maybe I got to do something else. And there wasn't nothing else for me to do because I wasn't smart.

You know what I'm saying? I wasn't prepared to go to school and get a job and no shit like that. She's like, so what you going to do? You going to come home? You going to heal up? And you going to get back out there? Mama G for real. No, she a G.

Straight up. She wouldn't let me sit in that shit. You know what saying? G, she wouldn't let me sit in that shit. You know what I'm saying? She wouldn't let me sit in that shit, even though she was hurt too, because she seen it on me. Like, I was there though. You know what I'm saying? I was there, bro.

I'm finna make the team. I'm here. All the hard work is over. I made it. And that shit happened the day of. And I was devastated for a while, bro. I ain't gonna lie. I stayed home.

I didn't play basketball for like eight months. Didn't do nothing. Damn. And I didn't think I'd ever play again. Okay. That's crazy. You go from that feeling to being an NBA champion, it's damn near crazy though.

So what made you start hooping again? Like obviously you said your mom was pushing you. Well, I got an opportunity to play summer league with Vancouver. I got an opportunity to play, Mike came, Mike came and went to Vancouver. And I went out there with Mike and I ended up playing summer league with Vancouver. I got an opportunity to play Mike came and went to Vancouver. And I went out there with Mike and I ended up playing summer league with them. And I was

busting Sharif Abdul Rahim's ass. That's my boy. I was hungry, bro. You know what I'm saying? I was hungry. You know what I'm saying? I was hungry and I was out there shining, shining, shining. Preseason shining. Practice is shining. And they cut me. I'm like, God damn.

I'm like, what I got to do, bro? Like, is it? I'm starting to learn the game, too, though. The political side of basketball. It ain't about how good you is. You know what I'm saying? You got to fit in with the team, and they want you to buy in. I wasn't buying in the shit at that time.

You know what I'm saying? I wasn't coachable. None of that. I was just raw. Give me the ball. Get out of the way. Let me compete against my man. You know what I'm saying? I didn't coachable or none of that. I was just raw. Give me the ball. Get out of the way. Let me compete against my man. You know what I'm saying?

I didn't know how to run plays or none of that shit. So they was right for, to keep me focused, they was right for cutting me. Because I was just a raw basketball player. I didn't know how to play the game yet. You know what I'm saying? But as time passed, I played in summer league with a couple other teams, and I ended up getting an invite to camp with New Jersey. And that's all because steph steph on marbury and kenny martin yeah um i end up going to the pre the pre-camp and i end up playing and stuff and kenny got the draft the number one that

year and um they came and watched us practice and like bring him to camp you know byron was asking like bring him to camp and me and ken he borrowed a number me and ken already knew each other from being from texas ken just wasn't he keenly i think he's a year younger than me and Keenan, he borrowed a number, me and Keenan already knew each other from being from Texas. Keenan just wasn't, he, Keenan Lee, I think he's a year younger than me. And he had an injury, he had an injury going into that year. So he broke his foot. He broke his foot. And still got drafted number one.

And that's why he wasn't, that's why he wasn't practicing. So, but anyway, they got me in. And once I got in, you know, I just, yeah, yeah. Everything worked out for me. I had number one, you got the number one pick and the starting point guard on your side. You know what I'm saying?

It's kind of hard to go wrong. Rob Markman Who showed you the ropes? What was that vet that grabbed you on the vet? Rob Markman It was stuff, bro. So, you know, me being from Texas, we used to have the starched down pants. Look what them bitches can stand up with. The creases. Rob Markman He was out of pocket.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. My shit kicking in now. You went to some workout and did you work out with somebody in New York and the motherfucker said you was in the gym and like literally took your pants off, Dale. You went to some workout and did you work out with somebody in New York and the motherfucker said you was in the gym and like literally took your pants off, paused, and like sat them up and they really stood up like- Al Harrington.

Yeah. So, I told y'all- The pre's done. So look, I'm getting ready to come in the draft. This is what I knew, but I knew things was drafting me and they flew me out to New Jersey to work out in New Jersey gym with this guy named uh I forgot his name but he was working out at Harrington at the time. This is my first time meeting out. I was like 16, 17. This nigga the biggest dude I ever seen in my life. I'm like this nigga in high

school? And we ended up working out together. He asked me to work out with him so I wasn't planning on working out so I had on some jeans. I told y'all, we can take some. My shit was starched down. I'm talking about, I pulled them bitches out and just stood them up. That state flow was in them. I just stood them up, bro. I showed them to practice one day and Steph was like, oh, no.

Oh, no. That nigga Steph took me. This is a true story, dog. Yeah. Steph took me, bought me an Escalade. This when Escalade first came out. Bought me like 10 pairs of Timbs.

Yeah. Baggy jeans. He bought me the whole swag. He's like, man, take that shitade. This one, Escalade's first came out. Bought me like 10 pairs of Timbs. Baggy jeans. He bought me the whole swag. He's like, man, take that shit off. He made me take my jeans off and left. And they threw them in the trash. That's a shit. Nigga, when I went, I'm going to stay with those jeans out here.

I'm like, shit, that's a shit. Take it. Yeah. Since we here, because nigga, I ain't going to hang on front. I used to start with my shit, too. Okay. Okay. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

Real shit though. My shit never spilled. Don't lie. How the fuck did you iron the pants? We put our shit in the cleaners. And you say heavy starch. You want heavy starch. When it's on starch, you can see the iron print on the bitch.

You can see the iron print on the bitch. And that's how we did it. It's out. With the Al bitches. You can see the eye print on them bitches. And this is how we did it in this house, boy. With the Al-Max. With the Al-Max. Back in the days, off and away from. When you had jeans on, you flipped their bottom. You flipped their bottom. Yeah, they come.

And then your pants too big, boy, I used to hit them with this one. And fold it over. DJ. You used to do that once, too. DJ. Yeah. Yeah, that was the one. Yeah, okay.

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Yeah. I know you from Golden State. You know, the Spurs and shit. But me, as the guy at the Bobcats, because you was averaging 20, you was cooking. But when was that year for you where it clicked? Well, see, that's the difference. You play the game.

You know the game. I would agree with you because that was my best year. Yeah. That was my best year playing basketball. But New Jersey, it clicked because when I got there, Byron wasn't fucking with me. And I ended up starting the first game of the season. I ended up starting.

I ended up making the rookie all-star game. I'm leading all rookies in scoring. Even the number one pick that's on my team, I'm leading all scoring, going into the rookie game. I come back from the rookie game, I don't play no more the rest of the season. Why do you think that? I have no idea. So, for me, this is what I think.

So, Byron had a son named Thomas Scott that was the same age as me. And he was there around the time. So, I hung with him. I was as young as him, so I hung with him a lot. And his wife basically treated me like a son. So, I don't know if he thought that i was hitting on his wife or something like that but that's the only that's the only thing i could think of because the the the the animosity that he showed to just stop playing me with no kind of excuse you know don't even talk to me about it like it had i thought it

had to be personal you know what i'm saying and and his was just, she was a mother to me because I was still young and she felt like I needed some guidance. And my mom appreciated it. Yeah. But I think he took it the wrong way. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Because I got a story about when we played. You played on the podcast. I'm going to let y'all get to it because you won a championship with the Spurs. No, fuck that shit. Podcast was fun, bro. So, you know, when you a rookie, you don't play. I didn't play. So, I'm talking shit at the end of the bench.

So, I just yell shit out. I can't remember who the point guard with y'all team was. I think it might have been Ray Feltman. It was Ray Feltman. He went to the basketball tournament. I was like, hell no. And he looked. He looked at the end of the bench.

He was like, shut your ass up. But I'm laughing because now I got him pissed off. Like, I'm getting under your skin. I can't play like that either. I can't play like that'm getting under your skin. I can't play like that either. I can't play like when I'm mad. I can't play like that. Shut your ass up. So I'm like, I'm going to keep talking.

So next time he come to the sideline, I say something else. Like, that shit off. He with us. You know, talking shit. But they start ignoring me and shit. So now I'm standing up doing all the antics. I ain't playing. So I'm trying to entertain myself, really.

So it gets to the last shot of the game, right? You're one of the best storytellers. This nigga. So he got the wall on the wing by our bench. So I'm like, Moe. It's Moe Evans. I'm like, Moe, lock that shit up, man. He gets nothing.

He jab, jab, one dribble, game, right? Hit the game winner. I think he ran on the stands. I jumped on the bench. Yeah, yeah. He ran on the stands. I jumped on the bench. Yeah, yeah. He ran on the stands. I'm like, oh, shit, he about to come for me. I ran to the back of the locker room.

I was like, I ain't about to watch this shit. I come back out. Moe was like, shut the fuck up. I was like, I ain't going to say that, though. That was my only game win in my career, too. Oh, yeah. That was. That was the only one. That was the only one. A walk-off. That was my only game winning my career. Oh, yeah. That was. That was the only one.

That was the only one. A walk-off. Yeah, that was a walk-off. That was my only walk-off. He hit the shot. I remember I ran to the back like, oh, shit. Mo came back there and said, shut the fuck up. I was like, I ain't going to say nothing.

Who else was calling you all that, Bob? Joe Wallace. Joe Wallace. He did do it. He ended up making an offside. I think I should have made it because shit changed when I got there, but I was happy for him because that was really my part in the crime. I felt like I was back with Ron Artest.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? With Joe on that wing. And we arguing about who guarding him. You know what I'm saying? I love having another guy that's going to compete on the wing. They're like, playing with Ron was the best ever, bro. Ron Artest, I would never have a teammate that could dominate on both

ends of the court every night if he wanted to. Ron is somebody who I feel like as a team, the only teammate that could have won MVP and defensive player of the year in the same year. And we here with it. Listen, we all Naptown babies, man. We was locked in on that patient stuff.

Man, that day that that happened, nobody could believe that shit happened at all. I couldn't even believe it either, bro, to be honest. That was our championship year, though. I ain't gonna lie. Thank you, bro. We were smacking all four pistons that year, bro.

I played on the Pistons before and that organization, everybody knew that was the year. Even when I came on the team, they didn't think we was winning no championship. It was a new year. I was hurt for Reggie, too. That was a good year. It was hurt bro. They knew that was the year. I was hurt for Reggie too. Cause that was the year for us to win it.

You know what I'm saying? That shit, that one little shit happened five, like five minutes fucked up our whole season, but we was beating the shit out of them too. Blowout. Yeah, I was cracking everybody. We was beating the shit out of everybody, dog. We was.

Y'all Pacers might never win a chip again. I mean, had an opportunity to get close like that. I mean, obviously PG and them did. They went straight white after these things. That was the best team to me. I know they went to lie. Those Pacers might never win a chip again. I mean, had an opportunity to get close like that. I mean, obviously, PG and them did. They went straight white after these things. That was the best team to me. I know they went to the finals with Reggie and them, but the team we had. Y'all was the best team. Y'all had killers.

Y'all had killers. But from top to – from all the way around, though. From one, two, three, four, five. Like, Jeff Foster, Jermaine O'Neal, Ron, that's me. Reggie Miller, Jamal Tinsley. Who we had? Scott Pollard on the sideline. We had Fred Jones.

We had a mob, bro. We had a solid mob. I didn't see nobody beating us in no seven-game series at all. Ron Tinsley's right mind? Nah, it wouldn't happen. That was the year. I just remember from that fight, because Fred Jones, he

used to be in India a lot. He used to live there for a minute. I used to always mess with him. He would come hoop at the gym and shit when he had that broom. I said, Fred, everybody else whooping ass. Man, what the fuck you doing, Fred? Sweeping. I'm Fred. Hey, Fred weaved.

Ben Brother ended up, if y'all look at the film, Ben Brother, because I think Ben has just lost somebody in their family before the game. Yeah. Ben Brother ended up right behind Ben has just lost somebody in their family before the game. Ben Brother ended up right behind Fred and tried to knock his head off. He turned into Penelope. Fred got out of the way of all those shits. He didn't get hit.

And it was a big boy. He throwing a big boy punch or two. He moves on. Shout out to my guy Fred. And it's crazy because if you look at the videos at the time, when it was painted to everything happening, everybody else was in the same emotion. But Fred was in the same ducking for his life. It my guy, Fred. And it's crazy because if you look at the videos at the time, when it was painted to everything happening, everybody else, you know, said emotion. But Fred was in the stands ducking for his life. It was like, damn.

My thing was, why even go out there? You know what I'm saying? Why even go out there? To me, I really don't feel like we should have got suspended. Like, Ron, maybe. But then again, if you think about it, okay, if we're out at a restaurant and somebody throw a beer in your face, that's assault.

Yeah, facts. You know what I'm saying? You can press charges on them. Yeah, right. Not if you're a black athlete. Yeah, I got you. Not if you're a black athlete, you can't. You know what I'm saying?

We was at work, bro. You know what I'm saying? Anybody that's getting assaulted at work, they're not getting in trouble. Why would we get in trouble? Because we defended ourselves. Now, I have to say this, too. When you look at the tape, I got suspended 30 games, got fined $3 million. Ew.

Right? So if you look at the tape, I ran up six rows and I grabbed Ron. If I was on some bullshit, I could have hit somebody on row one, two, three, four, five, six. I went up and I grabbed Ron immediately. Look at the tape. As soon as I grab him, they throw another beer in his face. That's the dude I hit.

You know what I'm saying? So that's why I don't feel like – I shouldn't have got suspended for defending my teammate and being – you know what I'm saying? I didn't go – now, if I would have done the first row, hit a nigga. Second row, hit a nigga. Like, okay, yeah. Kick his ass out the league. I didn't do that.

I ain't going to lie. You can't have a legend in all that. Nigga, we – for real, you and J.O. Because when J.O. hit a dude and he slipped. Boy, if he didn't slip, bro, J.O.? When J.O. hit dude and he slipped. Boy, if he didn't slip, bro, he might have killed that nigga. And he still

left on a stretcher. Yeah. The dude, J.O. slipped and the dude still left on a stretcher, bro. That's crazy.

That's how crazy, I'm glad he didn't, I'm glad he didn't, oh my God, dog, can you imagine J.O. teeing up and lining somebody up,

dog? Man, what? He probably killed that dude. straight up, what even did? What play kicked that off, though? I don't even remember what though. Man, what? He probably killed that dude. No, straight up. What even did? What play kicked that off, though? I don't even remember what happened. So, Ron was wrong.

Yeah. So, I'm at the free throw line. Look at the game. I'm at the free throw line. I'm going to tell y'all some shit that a lot of people don't know. I'm at the free throw line. I'm shooting the free throw. All I hear is, you can get your foul back.

And Jamal Tennessee telling that to Ron. I'm like, man, what? No, don't tell him that. So I'm like, fuck it. I go, you know what? I thought ahead of him. Make the free throw. I ran back.

Look at the tape. I ran back fast and guarded Ben. Just so Ron couldn't foul him. Guarding Ben. I'm just letting Ben go score with the time running out. Go ahead. You know, I'm just playing token defense. I ain't fouling him. Go score. Ron come from out of nowhere and foul him hard.

Boom! I'm like, oh. Ben turned around and got ten times bigger, nigga. Just started sweating up like the incredible. I'm like, ooh. He just whoo, whoo, whoo. Boom! I thought Ron's head came off.

Damn. That nigga pushed Ron's shit back so fast, dog. I'm talking about, God, I've never seen a nigga put his hands in somebody's face like that, dog. And Ron just, you know, he tried to get himself together. I know he was kind of woozy. He had to be. He tried to get himself. We ended up breaking it up.

But if Ron would have never came over and fired Ben, I was guarding him. Yeah. If the game would have ran out, we would have been out of there. You know what I'm up. But if Ron would have never came over and filed Ben, I was guarding him. If the game would have ran out, we'd have been out of there. You know what I'm saying? But Jamar says he told it. Bro, get your file back from last year. Submit them in the finals.

I had no... You know what I'm saying? I didn't know nothing about it. And I ended up in that shit. And that's how all that shit started, dog. That shit should have never happened. That's crazy.

Fuck, bro. That's crazy. I want to talk about them Spurs teams, though. Because you played, to me, with the best fire for it to ever do this shit. I agree with you on that. How was that playing?

I know it was a couple of fuck niggas on the team. You ain't got to say that again if you don't want to. If you don't want to. Thumbs to these niggas. That's Jamal Tennessee right there. I'm with you. I'm with you. I keep it from him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You ain't got to speak up no biggie. Fuck him. But how was that playing for Pac, bro? One of the greatest coaches ever. I'm with you. I'm with you. I keep it fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You ain't got to speak on them niggas. Fuck them. But how was that playing for Pop, bro? One of the greatest coaches ever. I say this and people think I'm crazy, but Pop is not a great coach. Hold on, bro.

He's a great leader. I respect. You know what I'm saying? See, if you look at the Spurs teams and look at all the coaches that come under Pop that's head coaches somewhere else. Look at all the guys that came in the Spurs organization that was film guys. That's GMs and president of the team. Sam Preston and all these guys. All over

the league. Pop is a great leader. When you play for the Spurs teams, when you look at the timeouts, Pop has a... When I was there, I was an offensive coach and a defensive coach. My offensive coach was Mike Budnews. He'd been coach of the year two years already. Mike Brown. That was your guy. Mike Budnews. He'd been coach of the year two years already.

Mike Brown. That was your guy. Budnews. Mike Brown. In Sacramento. He was the defensive coach. Doing timeouts, they meet, but Bud comes in when it's offense. Mike comes in. That's why I say Pop is not a great coach. He's a great leader. He leads the organization

from the top with everybody from the GM to the ball boys to the camera guys. Everybody's thinking championship or bust. Yeah. Right. And you go to a lot of organizations where the leader of the organization doesn't have the power to have everybody buying into that. That's why I say he's the best leader because he can bring any coaches in there, make them look good and send them off somewhere else with a head coach. He got a guy that was the film guy when I was there. He's the head coach of the Utah Jazz now.

You know what I'm saying? So Pop, that's why I say he's a leader. He's not a great coach. He brings great coaches under him, but he's a great leader. And I don't think he's a better leader than the NBA. But my time there was a blessing because I learned how to be a professional. I learned the NBA is more than just playing basketball. I learned how to prepare. You know what I'm saying? I learned how to be a man because Steve Smith, he showed me how to be a man, him and David Robinson. But not having Tim

Duncan there, I don't think I ever would have played. I wouldn't have got an opportunity to be on the court. When I first got there, everybody don't know Tim is an action junkie. So he liked playing paintball. He got a thing, he had a case full of guns. He do UFC training. He one of those action type guys. He liked action. So when I first got there, he needed somebody to go play paintball with him. Yeah, I don't know, but that's right up my alley.

You should have threw that nigga jeans. You should have thrown that nigga jeans away. All his shit. All Adam Sandler's. Adam Sandler needs to wear it. He be crazy. nigga jeans away. All his shit. All him sandals. All them sandals he used to wear. And he picks crazy. That's the worst one ever, bro. The worst he be picking ever.

That lets you know he didn't give a fuck, bro. I respect though. Yeah. He liked to play paintball. So I showed up, you know, I showed up paintball with Dickies on. Chuck, he's like, bro, you can't, you got to have on some comfortable shoes. Like this ain't, you know, I said, we showing up, like you can do a drive by. He's like, nah, this ain't it, bro.

You got to get elbow pads. So I used to go play with him. So training camp, this ain't, you know, I said, we can do a drive-by. He's like, nah, this ain't it, bro. You got to get elbow pads. So I used to go play with him. So training camp, this is a funny story. So we go play and like, I ain't scared of shit. Like, I really ain't. Besides guard, I ain't scared of no human. I ain't scared of nothing. That's just my problem. That's why I've probably been so much shit.

And the name of the game is you got to go grab the flag in the middle. So I'm like, ain't nobody going to go grab the flag. Y'all niggas scary. Fuck that. I dropped my gun. Hard ass. Fuck yeah, I ain't scared.

So I'm just playing. So I didn't know they had masks that don't fog up. I'm not hip to that. I'm just, you know, I'm just out here trying to have fun on some ghetto shit. My mask fogged up. I got to run up the steps. Boom, boom, nigga shoot me. Nigga, I got it.

Nigga, I missed the last step and my mask slide up. Ah, damn. Boo! Nigga, blood everywhere. Nigga, my mouth, I'm talking my shit so swole, nigga. There's blood everywhere. My tooth went through my lip. All kind of shit, right? So I slide my

mask down, and I'm running down trying to tell the niggas. I hit my mouth. These niggas shoot me. I'm like, man, what the fuck? So look, they shoot me, and they think it's paint, but it's blood, and it took over all my whole shirt. So I'm like, man, stop. You know what I'm saying? I'm bleeding for real, so we got to go

to practice the next day. I'm in there with Tim. We're lifting weights, pop coming in. So we got to go to practice the next day. I'm with Tim. We live and wait. Pop coming up. What happened? Just went to him to fuck with me. I mean, I was playing at the house with my homeboy. Flat box, you know what I'm saying?

Straight up lied. Tim thought I was going to say, you know what I'm saying? Straight up lied to Pop. Nigga, you know, Pop knew I was lying. He knew that shit. Ever since then, Tim vouched for me. During practice, I wasn't playing. I was on practice court.

Put me on the first five with him a day. So, Seattle. We're playing in Seattle one day. This will be like 25 games into the season. I'm coming off the bench. I'm averaging about 18 off the bench at the time. Yeah, I'm killing. To it. Yeah, getting to it off the bench. You know what I'm saying? Playing probably like 25 minutes. And Pop, or Carmel, like come to my room.

I'm like, oh. I get in his room, Tim in there, I'm like, yep. They know, they know, we're gonna start you tonight. Okay. They don't even think about it. They don't even think about it. I'm asking about it, nigga. I just have to get kicked off the team. We're going to start you tonight.

You know, you've been playing well, da, da, da. I'm like, okay, cool. But that wasn't the best part. I told you how Steve Smith was my OG. Right. So I was taking his spot. Oh. So, you know, I walk in the locker room, I'm like,

I walk by him, I don't even want to speak to him. I'm like, this is the OG. Like, I don't know how he's going to feel. That nigga's like, hold up. Nah, hey, you know, I walk in the locker room, I'm like, I walk by him, I don't even want to speak to him, like, this the OG, like, I don't know how he gonna feel. That nigga say, like, hold up, nah, hey, you rooted for me, I'm rooting for you the same way. Like, he was a real, I was like, nah, don't do that. I'm rooting for you just the way you rooting for me. It ain't personal, you know what I'm saying? I didn't understand that.

I wasn't a professional then, you know what I'm saying? But for him to do that, it gave me the confidence to go out there and play. So shout out to Steve Smith, but that's how I ended up really getting on the court and getting a chance to play was because of Tim, because Tim kept vouching for me. What year was that? This was, so this was 03.

Yup. Bro, you won a chip. And that finals was crazy. I remember you having one of the coldest in and outs ever. Like I was aware who you was. I fucked Kenyon Martin. One of the hardest in and outs on the mental I've ever seen in my life.

Oh my God. And I ain't, I'm just not, I'm not like TJ. I ain't the greatest handler. You know what I'm saying? I can control my shit, but some shit will come out of there now. Just off instinct. You know what I'm saying? I ain't trying.

Them niggas do that shit on purpose. You know what I'm saying? My shit just came off instinct. I remember that. I was like, that was one of the hardest internet I've ever seen in my life. That was crazy. But man, like you said, we Nap Town babies and y'all was going crazy in the city at the same time.

The coast was going crazy. Yeah. How was that? The nightlife in the city? Because the city ain't been the same since, but how was that energy in the city when the coast was killing, y'all killing, and everybody was outside? And J.O. had a club. And Rachel had our own club.

Every night. Yes, sir. Oh, man. Shout out to Edwin James. What's up? Seven. Seven. Shout out to Edwin James, Pat McAfee, Bob Sanders. Bob Sanders. Oh, man. Shout out Edger James. What's up? Seven. Seven. Shout out Edger James. He's three, seven.

Pat McAfee. Bob Sanders. Bob Sanders. Oh, the whole nine. Fudge Crash. What was the linebacker's name? What was the linebacker's name? Kato Jones.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Not Gary. Dwight Freeney. Gary Brackett. Gary Brackett? No. Not Gary wasn't there yet. His name started with an M.

Oh, the linebacker's name. Mathis. Mathis. My math is D. Shout out to my math. That was my dog today. All was out. We was all out together, bro. That was my first. That's probably the only time that I've been in the city where it's a football team. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. The line.

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The line. The line. The line. The line. The line. Tony Dungy. The night I got hit by the car, that was the first person at my house. When I got home from getting stitched up, he was the first person to knock on my door, Tony Dungy.

So I think just the fact that a lot of the guys stayed in the same neighborhoods and we supported each other, it was just dope. And then it was a lot of guys on their team that grew up like us.

You know what I'm saying? Adrian James, they grew up from the struggle too, so it was a great connection, bro. You ever hear Riverside on a Sunday? I sure did. What?

That was on 38th Street. That nigga was in traffic. Y'all was really outside. I used to see y'all all the time. I said, oh yeah, these niggas ain't gonna make it. Phantoms everywhere. We was crazy, bro. That's so crazy. We had a sheriff

came to my house. J.O. had a sheriff come to my house and give all of us gun license. For real? After that, after the situation. Before the shooting. Yeah, that's, yeah.

That's why I felt like that. Nigga had a gun license. Billy the Kid. That is untouchable. I don't know that. I'm finna get off. I'm finna get off. And it was crazy

as a kid at that time growing up, you would see Jamal Tisley in the randomest places. At the mall, bro. Fresh as hell. Fresh white tee, fresh forces, fresh jeans. This brother used to cut my hair, nigga. He wore fresh pad ones.

JT even practiced in the fresh pad ones one day. Solid. Untied. How was that like playing with him? He's another point guard for sure. That's super underrated. He was damn near to me before right for Austin, like the and one type of player.

You know what I'm saying? So how was that playing with Jamal? One of the best post-up guards you could ever play against. His post game was underrated. And as far as his passing and bar handling, you ain't finna find too many guys that's going to do the playground shit in the game that he would do. You know what I'm saying?

He'll post up and turn around and throw it through the guy's legs on the block. Right down to my own box. One dribble through his legs, like he was doing stuff like that. So he was probably the most, besides Baron Davis, the most creative person with the ball that I play with. And, like, he's very underrated. I just think because the way he played, it was slow. He didn't give the effort all the time on defense or like that, so people kind of knocked him for that. But as far as talent, he had it all.

How tall was Jamal? 6'2". Yeah, he was probably – 6'2"? Same height or a little taller than me. He looked – he really looked real little on the court. Not athletic. Just got the ball on the straight.

That boy had a lot of – he could pass like a monk. Especially with the coach he was playing under. For him to play the way he played under that coach at the time? Yeah, yeah. Because LB wasn't going for that. Yeah. He could pass like a monk. Especially with the coach he was playing under. For him to play the way he played under that coach at the time? Yeah, yeah. Because LB wasn't going for that. Yeah.

So for him to get that up, that's why I thought, yeah, we got something in the city. Outside of Tim Duncan, who's the best player you ever played with? Tim's got to be one.

Tim is the best I played with if I have to go. It's out of Ron and J.O. I got Baron number three, but it's out of Ron and J.O. for two because I've seen Ron do some amazing things on that court. Like, they just dominate on both sides of the court. And I've seen Jermaine damn near get 70 points, you know what I'm saying, in one night.

People sleep on J.O. J.O. used to get buckets. The brawl don't happen. He's in the Hall of Fame already. That's a fact. 100%. The brawl don't happen with Ron. Ron's in the Hall of Fame.. That's a fact. 100%. The brawl don't happen with Ron. Ron's in the Hall of Fame.

Nah, I'll give you that. I want to talk about that Warriors team, though. Y'all, that's probably, I don't know, I ain't going to say the most fried team, but on record, y'all the most fried team. That's the burn. If we not the most burnout team in the NBA history, then the Indiana

team, y'all. It has to be one of them two. It has to be one of them two. It had to be one of them two. Hey, bro. Charlotte, I mean, the Golden State team

was probably the most burnout team ever in life. Y'all made basketball fun, though. Like, watching y'all was like, damn, that looked fun.

But just imagine a whole bunch of people you grew up knowing in high school, y'all ended up on the same NBA team. Yeah, that's funny.

Then y'all got a coach, Donnie, that the first day I get there, this is how he tell me in BD, we captains. Then y'all got a coach, Donnie, that the first day I get there, this is how he tell me and BD we captains. He brings us to this little hole in the wall. I'm going to take you out to this little hole in the wall bar to play shuffleboard. Who knows what shuffleboard is?

Niggas don't know what that is, right? I'm like, cool, whatever. We get there. It's with the sand and the metal balls and you slide it. You know what I mean? So we didn't play this shit at all. This nigga got a bottle of scotch and got me and BD pissing drunk.

I'm talking about to the BD blinking our eyes. As we had the fifth shot, he tapped us up. Larry, come on, Larry. Hey, you guys are captains. And he stumbled out. We rode with him. We caught the driver and him and that. So they left me and BD sitting at the bar like,

nigga, I'm talking about drunk. Because I don't drink scotch. We sitting there wasted like, I guess we captains. We had to find our way home. So that day, we knew that. Oh, no, we fucking coached. Bro, it's real. We took our last drug test.

Me and BD coming out the locker room with our pink slip, because they give you a pink slip while they take the test. My head coach is out like this. Giving us high fives. Come on. Yeah, yeah. We already smoking because we live in the same building. But he giving us high fives.

That's fire. I'm just trying to explain to y'all how our team was. You know what I'm saying? Me and Al, best friends. When we got there, Monte Ellison had a tattoo. Look at him now. Whole body tattoo. He's had one tattoo. That was Matt. That was Matt's fault right there. Matt Barnes did that

to Monte. Is that you and Matt first time linking up? Yep. So that's how me and Matt became close. When his mom died, I stayed with him the whole time. You know what I'm saying? We really became brothers. His mama died fast, too, from cancer. And instead of me going home, doing those little break shit,

I just stayed with him. So that's how our bond started. It didn't start with the podcast. It started way before that in Golden State. But that team, bro, was just a whole bunch of guys that we know on each other. We get a chance to play together. We didn't think we was going to make the playoffs

and no shit like that. We was just hungry. And, you know, playing hard and playing on each other. We get a chance to play together. We didn't think we was going to make the playoffs and no shit like that. We was just hungry. And, you know, playing hard and playing for each other, good shit happened. Y'all was going out every night. Every night, bro. It's not one city. Let me tell y'all the story of New Year's.

We in Houston on New Year's. We had just beat the Rockets, right? So this is a typical night for us. So it's New Year's. We beat the Rockets. We in the club. It's about club like an hour or two before being closed. By this time, our whole team is drunk.

So everybody has a role. So I'm passed out the bandanas. So everybody got a red bandana. So I don't know why I just didn't beat it. Didn't beat it. It's a trip out. Everybody has a red bandana. Okay.

Matt is the drunk pretty white boy. We all drunk, niggas and white beaters. He run around ripping niggas white beaters off. Like on some school days type shit. I don't know. Old school. I don't know. Some drunk white boy shit. He ripping our

shirts off. Some nine niggas and a half. Niggas drunk, half white beaters on, half off. So normally, it's my job to find Baron Davis. If he don't find Baron Davis, it's going to be a night that we're going to remember or we're going to regret it. Yeah. So I end up getting too fucked up where I lose Baron. And I get tapped by one of my homeboys.

I was like, bro, look at your boy. I'm like, what hit? He on his way to the DJ booth. I'm like, ah hit? And he on his way to the DJ booth. I'm like, ah! DJ BD. So look, as soon as he grabbed the microphone,

my homeboy Coppo would say, BD finna get us all indicted. He said, BD finna get us all indicted. So I said,

oh, shit. So he grabbed the mic. Stop the music. Hey, we the Warriors. We come to the mic. Stopped the music. Hey, we the Warriors. We come to the city. We take y'all bitches. We beat y'all team. What's up, Barnes and Wells and Luther Head?

Because they was in the club. What's up, Barnes and Wells? We gang bang. And he paused. And we sell drugs. We like, oh. Oh, God. I We like, oh. Oh, dog.

I told you, Pop. I told you, Pop. We like, oh, man, somebody go get this nigga. This is New Year's in Houston, bro. So, look. And we sell drugs. Hold up. Hold up.

This is for the top. I don't know. We get outside. Police everywhere. The police is everywhere. You know what I'm saying? People outside. They had a fight or something. So, we all coming out. You know, we deep. And the police The police is everywhere. You know what I'm saying? People outside, they had a fight or something. So we all coming out.

You know, we deep, and the police saying something to us. This nigga B tells the police, stand down. I am an honorary captain. I have this under control. Stand down, dog. This nigga told HPD to stand down. I am an honorary captain, dog. We was out there dying, dog. This nigga told HPD to stand down. I am

an honorary captain, dog. We was out there dying, dog. That was one of the best nights. But that's the type of night you used to have every night, dog. Every night. Everybody had a different name. We used to call J. Rich Don Julio. That was his favorite drink. Back then.

We was drinking shit out the bottle back then. I heard them stories about y'all. I just didn't know how y'all got up and still went out and handled business. Miami. We played in Orlando. We beat Orlando. We fly straight to Miami on the back-to-back. We stay out until 7.30 in the morning, the whole team.

We all just go straight from the club to the bus. We get on the bus. Eric, at the time, he's one of the best trainers in the league for the Warriors. So he brought all our stuff on the bus. We get on the bus. Eric at the time, he's one of the best trainers in the league for the Warriors. So he brought all our stuff on the bus. So everybody on the bus with the clothes they had on from the game. Orlando. That is crazy. We go to shoot around.

Nelly walk out. It's about two people on the court shooting. Everybody else ... Those knobs smell like alcohol. He's like, hold on, bring it in, bring it in. He bring it in, he like... Make him get back on the bus. And we better win tonight.

One by 30. This D-Wade number. That's crazy. One by 30. I thought we partied when I was a rookie on Atlanta with Biggie and them. Y'all different. I didn't know if he was comfortable talking about that, but I used to hear about Charles,

bro. That's what made me sponge to y'all, because I'm a fried dick. I'm like, yeah. The NBA is a joke. Stacking them raw, nigga. Stacking them. We live with. Nah, I ain't gonna lie though.

If I would've took the game more seriously, I probably would've had a couple of All-Star games. You know what I'm saying? Without the bra and shit, but I don't change it for nothing because I enjoyed my career, bro. You know what I'm saying? I enjoyed it. You, but I don't change it for nothing because I enjoyed my career, bro. You know what I'm saying? I enjoyed it. You're a legend. And I played with some solid brothers, too.

How was that? Can you speak on that Maverick series, though? For me, bro, I watched that series a lot because I didn't get the credit from the team for what I did. I saved us in the Western Conference final. I saved us, bro. Ginobili was the only person that was being solid. Tony wasn't playing well because they had to bring Speedy Claxton in.

Tim was getting doubled, so he really couldn't get off. And Dave was old. Dave wasn't really doing that. So if you look at the games, I'm making all the big shots. Even when we're going through droughts, I'm the only one scoring. So when it came to game six, when they ended up putting Steve Kerr in and hit those four threes, it was big for us.

But look at the whole game. I carried us the whole game and was still making big shots for them to give him the MVP at the end of the game. Like that shit crushed me. And the only reason that I don't talk about this shit a lot because Ginobili came to me when I was in my locker. I was about to start crying, but he came and was like, bro, you deserved an MVP. For him to tell me that, I was cool.

That's right. Because that was the only person on the court that whole series that was riding with me. You know what I'm saying? Right. And it meant a lot. But I watched that series a lot, bro, because I don't feel like I got the credit I deserve for that series.

I was busting their ass. And I was high every game. Every game. Every game. You a legend. Now, I want to talk about that Mavericks series with you with Golden State. It was high every game. Every game. Every game. You're a legend. Now, I want to talk about that Mavericks series with you with Golden State, though. Oh, okay.

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You know, he had some contract shit with Mark Cuban. Oh. So he was suing him during that time. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So his whole idea was, every time I play Dallas, I want to beat them. I don't care about nothing else. And he knew Dirk's game better

than anybody. So he gave us the blueprint. Make him go right. If he go left, he got so many, he can fade away, but if he go right, he don't even want to put the ball down. Damn. So me and Matt made sure we made him go right every time and we were super physical with him.

You know what I'm saying? Dirk wasn't super physical. If you let him get that shot off, that's your ass. Nothing you can do. You know what I'm saying? There's nothing you can do. And he won MVP that year. He was the MVP that year.

That was the best team in the West. So I just think Donnie Nelson prepared us so well for them. You know what I'm saying? Because after we beat them, he didn't care about the rest of the season. Nigga, we was preparing ourselves for the second round against Utah. He didn't give a fuck. He was showing up with four cigars in his pocket, eating them on. He got

drinking beer and shit. He didn't give a damn, dog, after he beat Dallas. That was his chip, bro. And we understood. That's why we went so hard. But if we don't have Baron Davis, the way he played game one, we don't win that series in Dallas. He went crazy that game one, bro.

30-some points, and he kept all his shots was timely. Bro, he cold. He's one of the coldest point guards. Yeah, that's my nigga. Shout out to my nigga Phil Cole. He love BD. I ain't watch the NBA like that, and him and Gilbert Arenas was some of the first point guards I

watched. BD don't get hurt. He might go down as top 10 point guard ever. He don't get hurt. I agree, bro. Because the athleticism he had it all. He could score. That's why I like him. He had the body and work.

He was mad I said he had a BBL butt. Yeah, nah, he did. He know he did. He know he did. He know he did. He had the worst turnaround. He had the light bulb, man. That's what I'm saying, man.

I knew it. I said, he had the worst turnaround we done this year. I ain't telling you. You know he did. He had the worst turnaround. He had the light bulb, man. That's what I'm saying with that knee rag. You can tell. I said, he had the worst turnaround when he done that shit. I ain't telling you. That's my nigga. That nigga beat his show in practice with his knee braces on top and sweat.

OG for real. Man, so this is when I started fucking, I used to watch you do the show with Skip Bayless and shit. And you used to go on there and be real. And I remember one time you talked about everybody you was better than, and everybody was mad at you. I was like, nah, he just confident as fuck. Thank you, bro.

Thank you, bro. And like, I didn't have a better career than Ray Allen, but if you look at the games I played against a lot of these people, I balled out. We might not have won the game, but my matches with a lot of these people who y'all look up to, I bust their ass a lot of nights and locked them up. And you can go look at the games. I'm not making it up. Like I said, I didn't have better lot of these people who y'all look up to, I bust their ass a lot of nights and lock them up.

And you can go look at the games. I'm not making it up. Like I said, I didn't have better careers than these people, but I'm a competitor. And when it came to the game, I wasn't a better shooter than Ray Allen, but I was a better poster player. I passed better. I was a better defender.

I was a lot of things better than him on the court. You know what I'm saying? So, as a player, people understand that. As a fan, they're like, oh, you you just hating, but I did it in real time. I don't think you was hating. That's just, you know. And I admit they had better careers than me.

I wouldn't, I'd have a better career than Vince either. But Vince will tell you, I had some great games against him. But they understand it's different when you just be like, let's go hoop,

roll the ball out. Like, it's a bunch of people that probably will bust my ass. They probably didn't have a better career than me. But it ain't too many people can stay in front of you. So, that they lose right there.

Yeah, bro. If you just roll, like, Jordan Crawford. Like, that's my man. But if you roll the ball out and say, let's just go hoop. Yeah. He'll fuck around and get you 50. Yes, he will. He can score.

He can score. I seen him do it in victory. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, he'll roll the ball out. He'll get buckets. And a lot of people can outscore him. Ray Allen was a motherfucker, though, bro. He was, bro. He was, bro.

And Milwaukee. And I love you, Jack. That nigga, Jesus Shuttlesworth. He was the truth. He's crazy. No, he was the truth. For him to transition

his career from, because we grew up Milwaukee Bucks, Supersonic, Ray Allen. And for him to go strictly just shooter, I remember,

you know what I mean? I don't know how he was off the court, but Jesus Shutter's worth. Nah, he was cut. Was thangs. He was athletic. Bro, and he had. Dunkin' shit.

He low-key had a handle. The pull-up off the dribble. He was the first pull-up. Superstar Ray Allen was cut. Milwaukee. Milwaukee was cut. Milwaukee Ray was out of control. Him and Big Dog was going crazy.

Bro, he was scoring 25 a night with another nigga, Rashard Lewis. You roll the ball out and there ain't no plays. We don't got to- I knew what you meant. I thought you meant like, we just put the ball out here, I can kill him too. Any given night, I can be better than any one of them guys. 100%. So speaking on that though, you know you was known for defending and shit. Who was the hardest, or you can give us two, hardest motherfucker to guard?

Kobe? Not even close. Who else, though? One person, because I guarded. Well, you got to think. Did you ever guard Melo? Yeah, I guarded Melo. I guarded Melo pretty good.

I guarded Melo pretty good. Because, you know, I played one through four, so I got a power fours, too. Yeah. But I think for me, if it ain't Kobe. Somebody that nobody would think. They used to be like, God damn, this nigga cold. Brandon motherfucking Roy.

B-Roy. Woo! I had problems with that nigga. We used to go at it, though, but he was different, bro. Like, no injury. He wanted the coldest ever. One of my favorite shooting guards of all time. Nah, B-Roy, I like that. Hands down, B-Roy is one of the best basketball players

I ever had to guard. Not even close. All right, he get his flyers a lot on this show, bro. Yeah. When Drew Holiday, he probably gets fucked up. The most left. Yeah, yeah. Nah, for sure.

I gotta ask both of y'all, y'all both played in this city and lived in the city at the same time. You know what I'm saying? You did a little bit before you did. To see the city as it is now, but how was it to be in the city as it was growing until the Mecca it was now? And then how was it playing when it was already lit on the come up?

I came in 0-3 and it was beautiful because it was, Atlanta was at its height. It was at its height around that time. That's when BMF was doing their thing. The rap scene was solid. But that time, it wasn't no beef. You got people beefing now. Everybody supported each other. Everybody hung out together.

Everybody went to the same. When Alex had a party, everybody was there. Back then, everybody was having a good time. I think it was because of people like Meech. Because when he used to come in the clubs, he'd come in the clubs, but it wasn't no problems. Like, he used to buy bottles for everybody in the section. So, you know what I'm saying?

Like, everybody was having a good time back then. It wasn't no competition. You know what I'm saying? Like it is now. And the different hoods beef. And so, the club and the party, it was the best time to be in Atlanta, bro. It was the best time to be in. Now it's just too much with the pills and the drugs

and the kids killing, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just the blind leading the blind now. But back then at that height, Magic City and Club Miami and all that shit back then, bro, Atlanta was beautiful. You wanted to be in Atlanta. Even when I got here, it was still fun.

When did you get here? I got here in 09. 09, yeah. I still was having fun. Like, I remember the first, the first time that I really, well, it was Antoine Walker was there. It's the first time I ever been to Magic City.

Oh, Lord. Not to do Twa like that. Hey, Twa! That's my dog. You know, that's my nigga Twa. That's my dog. He showed me some good times. Man, I go to Magic City.

I end up going in there, and he got a briefcase. I'm from Indianapolis. I ain't never seen a briefcase full of ones. They bring the briefcase out to me, open up. I think it was 10,000 ones or something. And they like, nah, Tuan, get that every Monday. I'm like, what the fuck? And he like, young fella.

He throw me a $1,000, young fella. And Smooth like, that's my OG. I'm like, ah,. He throw me a thousand dollars. Young fella. And Smooth like, that's my OG. I'm like, ah, yeah, it is different. That's how we feel, bro. It's like, yeah, he come every Monday. Every Monday. But we stayed in that motherfucker, bro. Shout out to the A, baby.

We stayed in that motherfucker. I see. It was safe. It was safe. You didn't got to worry about no cameras. You know what I'm saying? Like, something about Magic City, man, where it was like, you don't hear no stories. Nope. Honestly, you never heard no stories about no bullshit

going on in Magic City because everybody was protected and safe and everybody had a good time. I seen you in there a couple of times and showing love, you be chilling. I was like, I ain't realize you was that tall. Like when I got drafted, I didn't realize niggas was that tall. You know, at school.

Your point, I'm six and one. I played a two sometimes. When I got here and I seen him, I'm like this nigga's six, eight. sometimes. When I got here and I seen him, I'm like, this nigga's 6'8". 6'9"? That's so funny. Like,

when I see him, I'm like, man, I ain't got no chance, man. I play the 2 sometimes. These niggas are cute. He come just running around,

nigga. I got to ask you, like you said, all the smoke, man. You and Matt went crazy. How was that? You know what I'm saying?

Y'all had a relationship. Now y'all come as business partners. Like you said, Trailblazers in the situation with y'all knuckleheads. To see how y'all started to where you is now, man. What's thinking back? How is that feeling, man? To see how y'all progressed so far. It ain't nothing but God, bro. To be honest, bro. Because I ain't no different than y'all. We ain't no different than y'all. A lot of times, especially after the bath our careers in,

guys like me and Matt don't get these opportunities. They give them to the guys that was the stars, that was on the commercials and all that shit. Well, I think God just put us in the perfect time because when me and Matt both decided to stop doing Fox and ESPN, we ended up coming up with All the Smoke. And we brought it to a woman named Ellen Reckerton. Ellen Reckerton was the woman who started Red Table Talk. Oh, damn. Oh, Lord.

She started Red Table Talk. Shout out to her. And her and Matt like this. That's Matt's girl. She ended up calling Brian Daly. Brian Daly was the VP of sports at Showtime. They was looking for another sports show, but they didn't know. They wanted to have a sports show, but they didn't know about podcasts. We didn't even know about podcasts.

When Matt told me about it, I'm like, what is it? And when Matt brought him the idea, they said, cool, Matt, we'll do it with you, but we don't want Steven Jackson. Rob Markman, Jr.: Man. Man. We heard a lot of stuff about him. Matt was like, I ain't doing it if it ain't him. I'm not doing it.

Rob Markman, Jr.: Shout out to Matt, real name. Yeah, I'm not doing it. And the first, we do the first photo shoot for it. We smoking and shit. We smoking and shit on the photo shoot. I got my shirt off like a rap album and shit. They like, hold up, man. Hold up, hold up. Hold up, hold up, hold up. This might not work, man. We might not. I don't think Showtime can get behind this. But they got behind it, bro. And we ended up cleaning it up a little bit.

We smoked on some shows, but we ended up cleaning it up to the point where we ended up doing a deal with iHeart for our audio. And we ended up building our up to the point where uh we end up doing a deal with our heart for our audio and um we end up building our our relationship with showtime so now we're five years in so it ends up where five years into podcasting now paramount buys showtime yep they buy and they want to get rid of all the properties the social properties the you know, and Showtime boxing was the biggest thing that they had. So during that time, Brian Daly, which is the VP, he knew that Showtime was about to get bought out. So he had an idea with him and Matt, let's start our own production company.

So while we were still with Showtime, we started building all the Smoke Productions with Day Bread, you know what I'm saying? Started building all the Smoke Productions. And during that time I had gotten gotten into boxing where I started doing the weigh-ins for boxing. I started doing the interviews with Tank and Tank

started wanting me in all his fights and shit like that. So I got into the box. So when Showtime had to buy, when Paramount was buying us out, Brian finessed some type of way where we own all

Showtime boxing properties now. So now Showtime boxing is all the smoke fight and all the smoke boxing. So we're going to be a big player in the boxing space now. We're going to put on our own fights, taking that whole blueprint and doing that now. So I think for us with the production company show, we have a partnership with DraftKings where we have a number of shows

on their network. I think just the fact that we were able to build so much stuff from just starting with the podcast. You know what I'm saying? shows on their network. I think just the fact that we were able to build so much stuff from just starting with the podcast. You know what I'm saying? That's why the sky's the limit for y'all because y'all have done so much in a short time. But for us to be able to build a box and the podcast and the production company and start doing live shows, that ain't nothing but God, bro, because we didn't expect, we didn't know what we was doing. We didn't have no blueprint to it. We just jumped out there and leave.

But the timing and everything worked to our favor, you know, with Paramount and all that, everything. So that's why I say it was guard, bro, because a lot of stuff that happened with us, it was just perfect time for us to be where we are now. Did y'all put that better in KG back? Yes. So we had a lot to do with KG Certified.

You know, we have a show called Certified Smoke, where we do a cross-show with them. You know what I'm saying? And we was doing a lot of business. We was actually producing their shows, with all the smoke production. I think they're going on and doing their own stuff now, you know, trying to do their own algorithm and stuff now.

But we still a family. We still do Certified Smoke, but definitely, we definitely started them. We have the show with Rondo and Boogie, Bully Ball. We have Rachel Nichols. You know, we're building some other properties now. started them we have the show with uh rondo and uh and boogie bully ball we have rachel nichols you know we're building some other properties now we on but all of on the boxing side we have andre war yes yeah and uh roy jones we just signed them so it's been a blessing man we're just trying to continue to build this because they don't expect stuff like that to happen from guys like

us you know what i'm saying they don't expect that but i'll follow matt anywhere i think matt and brian brian daly has been big for us because they have that mindset. Like, I haven't been in one meeting. I haven't missed one check. You know what I'm saying? My job ain't to be in the meetings because I know that ain't my specialty. I didn't go to school. Matt went to school for that shit.

When it's time to collect money, when it's time to show up and entertain, I know my job. So everybody in our, you know, our little small 12 people on our roster, you know, everybody got a job to do. I think we depend on everybody to do their job because, you know, everybody got a job to do. And I think we depend on everybody to do their job because, you know, everybody want to play their role and be a star in their own role. And that's one thing

I think people don't realize. Like, with these opportunities, yeah, it might start off as a podcast, but we have an opportunity for especially black entrepreneurs to build enterprises off this stuff.

Like you said, you're going to a Showtime box. Like, I kept seeing you at the box and stuff, so now it's all making sense. It's making sense, yeah. But that's dope. Like, you're getting

collecting intellectual properties that they don't give us the opportunity to have look what had to happen for y'all to even have an opportunity because those cable networks don't fail they sell or they just get bigger yeah so that's dope to see y'all capitalize on it shows that a business mind like you said everybody played a part that's a dope part ain't nobody getting out of pocket ain't nobody getting too greedy got an operation got a machine to keep flowing and it's dope to see that for y'all man we did see that i want that. I want to ask you, bro, he did his first thing with Q. This year with the Big 3.

But you was one of the pioneers to kick that shit off, bro. How did that come about? So for me, when the Big 3 first started, I was excited because I knew how... I was one of those guys that wanted to play basketball. And I wasn't going overseas. You know what I'm saying? I wasn how, I was one of those guys that wanted to play basketball. And I wasn't, I wasn't going overseas. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't doing no shit like that,

but I wanted to play right here. And Q, a lot of the guys that Q liked watching play was retiring and leaving the game. So when he, when he started the leagues, like, bro, I want to start this league.

I want to do a combine in Vegas just to see what the league was like. So during that time I was doing two a days. I was working out hard. I got swole. Like I, because I got back into that mode. You know what I'm saying? I got back into the basketball mode. And when we got there, I seen a lot of guys wasn't in shape. And I seen a lot of guys thinking like, man, I'm just going to get this check.

Yeah. Guaranteed $10,000 a week. I ain't finna work. I'm just going to show up and get this money. No, you're not. Yeah. First game and first day while they're having the combine, Cube asked me and Al and Coutinho

and Cora McGregor to play like a just like a test game to see what the league would be like and I took that shit too serious you know what I'm saying

because I did you know what I'm saying because I really wanted to set the tone because I seen how niggas was approaching this shit how they was showing up

all fat and out of shape and like I'm not finna be like if y'all gonna show up like this and I'm gonna give everybody 100 points every night you know what I'm not going to be, if y'all going to show up like this, I'm going to give everybody 100 points every night. That was my attitude. You know what I'm saying?

That scrimmage I was talking, she know me and Al are best friends. I was calling Al bitches, cursing him out. We was like, me and Corey's brothers, we was going at each other for that little short time. But everybody, like 100 people in the gym, everybody saw like, okay, this is what the league is going to be like.

And Q was excited, like, that's Q was excited like that's what I needed that's what I needed and uh I I was happy to not only play in the big three but shit we all looked up to Ice Cube like because I look I look up the fucking Q how could I not be in his league and the fact that he say I had a big part in you know that meant everything to me dog so that's why I still coach now. That's why I'm still involved in the league now. You know what I'm saying? Because I know where he wants to go with the league and we all have an opportunity to benefit off something great. You know what I'm saying?

Something that the black person is building. So I'm always be down with him. You know what I'm saying? Even if, even if he's just coaching, I'm like, I'm doing now, I'm a big part of the league.

He said that half court bigger than what niggas think. I ain't throwing bullshit at first. I said, bigger than what niggas think. I was out there bullshitting that first week. I said, shit. That's an NBA court. He was like, yeah, he thought

this shit was easy. I was like, hell yeah. Bro, I used to, my first, my year's plan, all my points was on the block.

I hit a couple threes, but I'm a big two guard. So, nine out of ten people that I play against in the big three, I'm going to have an advantage on the block.

You know what I'm saying? And I abused that shit, but that's how I had success. But when Joe came, it was over. I ain't the biggest consumer on the whole. On me. Joe punishing everybody. That's that 6'8", 260. With the hair and all that he had on, he had it all.

Y'all have been my nemesis my whole career, though. Joe used to bust my ass my whole career, though. Oh, so that's one. We used to go out, but Joe spun me around. I remember when Joe spun me around one time. Oh, I do remember that shit. Yeah. And he put it behind his back.

He spun me around. I was like, you got out of the street like that? Now you be so hype. I think it was like a foul happened or something. Yeah, I had to foul him because he spun me around. Like a hyper sport.

Ain't nobody never fall. AI made me stumble and Joe spun me around, but ain't nobody never made me fall. You know who made me fall? Flip. Flip Murray?

He made me fall. What an issue is. My first preseason game, he was on the Bobcats. He was in Atlanta the year before and they ain't pick up his option.

I was on that team. First preseason game. He went snatched back. I looked at the bench. Joe Smith had a towel like this. Smooth was like this. Biddy was standing up. I was like, ah, this shit. I was like,

Biddy, wave your towel. Welcome to the league. Welcome to the league. I was hurt. I was playing defense so Welcome to the league. I was hurt. I was playing defense so hard the next possession. Dude was like, it's cool, bro. You know, flip. He's like, chill. Flip was the bucket getter, though. Yeah, he was.

Flip was the bucket getter. That's another underrated one for sure. For sure. Did y'all win that chip the first year in the big three? No. Who won? No, so I wasn't going to kill the threes at that time. Trilogy went 10-0.

That's Al and Kidd. They went and Sean McCants. Yeah. Al and Sean McCants walked went, and Rashawn McCants. Al and Rashawn McCants walked everybody down for 10 games. 25, you get 25,

I get 25. And nobody could guard Al. I'm talking about Al and Rashawn McCants was low-key unstoppable that first year. They dominated that first year. Isaiah was playing this year

on your team. I was like, nigga, you gonna post up the whole game and I hear you like, go back down. Make it easy. Go back down. Make it easy.

These niggas going to make you chase them out there. You ain't faster than these motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? Weigh them down. I said, fuck this. We doing this game. And he stopped. He stopped posting up.

And guess what happened? They walked us down. They walked us down. He said it. When we talked about it. And he got tired. And I tell him, I say, boy, you try to guard these niggas out here, you're going to be tired.

And guess what he did at the end of the game? Dumbfile. Because he was tired. I told him, they're going to walk us down. We're not a fast team. We got to use our size. They walked us down. It's a big moment in the big three.

That's a historic big three game right there. They walked us down, dog. That was a fun game. They walked him down. Can you speak on the moment you and Oak had? Yeah, so what people don't know is that's one of my best friends in the world. We talk all the time. So it was just a moment where two competitors.

So Oak wants to win just as bad as I do. We was in Texas, so I feel like anywhere in Texas, I can get anybody murdered. That's just how I feel. I'm that live in Texas. I'm just keeping it real. If I wanted to, I'm at peace with everybody, but if I wanted to, I could make some shit happen in Texas.

You know what I'm saying? My adrenaline was pumping. His adrenaline was pumping. He took me out of the game because I was arguing with the refs. He's like, get back of the game because I was arguing with the refs. And he's like, man, can you get back in the game? I'm like, I told him something. I was like, I said something. I'm going back in the game.

He's like, no, you're not. I'm like, who's going to stop me? He's like, I'm going to stop him. Nigga, you know where you at? I'm just reminding you. We in Texas. Nigga, you know where you at? Nigga, O came back with the hardest shit ever.

Nigga, I'm like American Airlines. I'm everywhere. We going back to poetry. He knew what he was doing though because I got mad when I ended up winning the game. And we had to play together right after, not even talking about it, but that's just our passion for wanting to win. You know what I'm saying?

He knew he needed me in the game for us to win. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't understand that my adrenaline was pumping, but that's my guy, dog. That's just two fiery guys trying to win and just emotions balled over. There's nobody I respect more than Charles Oakley. Shout out to the OG. Before we get out of here,

man, tell the people, you know what I'm saying, y'all entrepreneurs, y'all got the liquor on the way for the people, man. I appreciate that. We have a mezcal that just dropped called the Neos. It's in like 10 to 15 states right now. It's not in Atlanta yet, but it's on the West Coast in New York that we sold out already in L.A. And we also have a coffee table book.

The first podcast with a coffee table book with Smith & Schuster called All the Smoke Coffee Table Book's out right now as well. So we got to put it on the desk that don't nobody like. We got to put a new set that everybody hate. Claude 520

need to be a part of that liquor brand. So we putting that into existence right now. We need to do a collab with y'all. I'm close. Do a collab with y'all, man.

Shout out to my All the Smoke team. Matt, Brian, Jelani. Shout out to Matt. Y'all way to show love. Love Matt. Gave me some advice early on the podcast game, too. Let me say this, too, bro. I'm glad y'all doing the show because a lot of people think

me and Matt always try to say this on our show. It ain't no competition. That's why. If y'all look at my Instagram, I be shouting out all kind of shows all the time. Different shows. Shows that people don't even know because I want people to know it's enough for all of us. the time. Different shows. Shows that I don't even, people that I don't even know because I want people to know it's enough for all of us out there. There ain't no competition.

They want us to think because we're all black and we all have this certain talent to be in front of this camera and to draw people in that we're in competition. We're not in competition because we all have our own different stories

and our stories are different. So I want people to understand that your voice is just as big as anybody else's voice. You know, so just believe in your shit. That's why I'm glad y'all doing y'all shit, bro. And I'm honored to be here. I'm glad to have you.

We're going to do this again, man. Before we get out here, we got to ask you about the VP. Oh, the VP. Ooh, that's a good question. So, me and Matt argued for four days. Yeah. When I got to... Well, we did it, baby. Where we did it at?

In DC. We went to the VP house. When I got there, Matt was did it baby, where we did it at? In DC, we went to the VP house. When I got there, Matt was calling me to, it's a true story, he was calling me to come out to eat. I'm not asking, I'm screening his phone call. I don't want to be here nigga. I don't want to be in politics. I don't want to do this. Am I lying baby?

We at home. Me and Matt arguing. Like we arguing about this shit because the people that support me are not, they look at shit how I look at it Like they put my policy the answers to equality and to making America the way it's supposed to be. It's not rocket science It's not rocket science, bro Y'all know how to make give equality to make people equal just just how y'all put people ahead of us So the same way to do that is to make it equal to It is real simple, dog. Just give people what they need.

It's not rocket science. So that's why I don't want to be in politics because there's a lot of hope dealing. That's the end of the day. They're in the hope. They ain't into actually trying to fix shit. They want to make you think that they got the ideas or they got plans to fix shit and shit never gets fixed. So that's why I didn't want to be in politics.

And I seen the firsthand with the George Floyd situation. So when Matt was telling me about going to interview the VP, I'm not with it because the people that support me feel the same way I feel. I don't trust her. I know it's all bullshit. Nobody's really for us.

I'm the president of my household. You know what I'm saying? I don't give a fuck about who the president is. I'm the president of my shit. You know what I'm saying? And that's how I looked at it. So Matt's looking at it

as from a business side. What's this going to do for our show? What's this going to do for our production company? I'm saying? And that's how I looked at it. So Matt's looking at it as my business side. What is this going to do for our show? What is this going to do for our production company? I'm not thinking that. Man, fuck that. You know, I'm not, you know, so the whole, even the day before, shit, I tell you, I'm in my room. Matt is calling me to come prep.

Nigga, I'm not answering my phone. No, nigga, I can show you messages. I'm going to show y'all, let y'all know how real it is, nigga. Because y'all are my partners. I'm going to show y'all how real. This is how I was doing him when he was sending me the messages, bro. I'm going to show you how I was doing him. You don't want to hear about the collard greens, nigga, in the tub, nigga?

I don't want to hear about that. I did not want to go, dude. Damn, guy. Bro, I'm going to show y'all. Hold on. This is the messages my bro y'all. Look, hold on. This the message my bro was sending me. Look.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Look, he texted, he sent me something. He said, I don't want to, look, he said, so you're not going to pout, you're going to pout and ignore me the whole time you don't want to smoke? Look, I don't want to smoke, don't want to hang out, don't want to eat nothing. Do my job. Look, do my job and be out,

nigga. He's like, do you want to play COD trying to be funny? Nigga, look. Oh, look. I don't want to answer.

I'm just going to sit here and be an asshole. I'm going to sit here and be an asshole. I'm going to sit here and be an asshole. He be an asshole. You know what I'm saying,

dog? That's how y'all know y'all brothers right there. I was not talking to him, dog. So even, look, Matt said it on the show, even when we got to the BP house, I'm sitting in there like this. You know me, JT. I want my emotions on my sleeve, bro.

I can't hide. I'm 100. Don't want to be here because I know, perfect example, I told him, asked my wife, I said, why don't you go do it? They came back. We don't want to do it without him. Because I'm the face of the biggest civil rights movement ever with the George Floyd shit. I know why y'all want me there.

You're using me as a pawn. I know what you're doing. Everybody else might not see it, but I see it. You know what I'm saying? And I wanted to benefit from the shit. I'm not thinking business-wise. Bro, I'm glad I did that shit. You know how much shit came from us during the interview? All kind of shit coming.

And so Matt was right. And I always follow him with business-wise. You know what I'm saying? But I did not want to, and I still don't want to be in politics. You know what I'm saying? But let me say this too. They say, what's your why for voting? I found my why.

What is it? And let me tell you why I found my why. I can't talk too much about it, but I was recently tased by the police from behind. I got stitches in my chin right now. Tased from behind just because I was a big guy recently, bro. Damn. And me seeing the George Floyd shit, dealing with the police and all that time, how they was treating me. Yeah.

Donald Trump was talking about giving police immunity. So I found my why. I can't live my life with the police treating y'all, my sons, or anybody the way they planning to treat us, bro. So that's my why for voting. I just found my why. Especially after how they treated me. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't even on no dumb shit. He

told me he tased me because I was a big guy. I broke two teeth in the back, all that. So that's my why. Especially since being through it now, I never voted. I don two teeth in the back, all that. So that's my why. Especially since being through it now, I never voted. I don't believe in politics. But if I had to vote, that would be my why. Because I don't want him to get police immunity because they already treating us like shit. Just imagine what they're going to do if they know they can get away with it.

Straight up. We're going to have all my conversation about that situation. Shout out to Freaky Mike. Shout out to them collard greens, nigga. Come on, man. Hey, I did hear that story now. I've been eating collard greens all my life. I've never seen them get cleaned in no bathtub. They took this nigga to come on.

I told y'all. I've never seen them get cleaned in no bathtub, my nigga. I'm sorry. This nigga said that shit every show, bro. Whenever you see anybody clean green, they gonna fill that sink up on both sides. Oh, my wife. They gonna fill that sink up on both sides.

There ain't nobody going to the bathroom with your ass in. I don't know what you're talking about. With your ass in. And put collard greens in the tub, man. Come on, now. Collard greens weak as hell. I ain't going.

Next time somebody asks her who her favorite rapper is, it can't be Tupac because they say who's your favorite rapper that's alive and she said Tupac I know what she meant

we ain't gonna judge her for that she's Milli Vanilla yeah and we out we're gonna do this again man we ain't telling people

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