Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Tiara Thomas on Rihanna taking her song, Beyonce, her cousin Isaiah Thomas

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 23 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by singer/songwriter Tiara Thomas to discuss all things music, basketball, and life. Tiara tells a story of making “Bad” with Wale, and originally feeling salty when she heard Rihanna on the remix. Tiara then talks about being cousins with Isaiah Thomas, getting tickets to a Celtics-Lakers game, and much more! #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. Terms at Sportsbook.DraftKings.com slash football terms. All right, we back another episode of Club 520 Podcast. I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. Special guest to my left. We're going to introduce her last. But to my far left, we got my dog, be here out the prelies my nigga how you doing

today cool and actually let's get to it we got a music vet in this motherfucker today yeah so you have to listen to her opinion over yours today you know i'm saying we'll see to my right my dog he uh we'll know about his music taste right now still young nacho young t how you what man listen i'm still rolling with all right mike's the greatest all right i'm done we don't know about his music taste right now. Still, Young Nacho, Young T, how you doing, man? Listen, I'm still rolling with it. All right, Mike's the greatest. All right, I'm done. We ain't gonna worry about that. But my feet, I got some old school dunks.

My niggas was about a dope, man. I hoop today in these, actually. My feet kind of hurt right now. I see why. Yeah. That's crazy. You look at them old shoes, the niggas was probably geeked it,

like when they first got it. Like when the dunks came out, niggas was geeked. But they was playing in Chuck, so that shit was an upgrade. Yeah, definitely. But, man, it yeah definitely but man it's cool yeah but to my left you know what i'm saying we got a legend from the city songwinder grammy winner award-winning artist miss tiara thomas how you doing today hey what's up chilling put up the 520 you said what i'm doing great thanks for having me hey we appreciate you being here we already started the show with a frog question you know what i'm saying obviously you're into music what's one song that you was like damn I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. Hey, we appreciate you being here. We already started the show with a frog question.

You know what I'm saying? Obviously, you're into music. What's one song that you was like, damn, I wish I had or you was a part of and then maybe like got switched up or your dream song? Ooh, that's a good one. I gave you a whole bunch of options that you can't bow out of. That I wish I was a part of I want to say like some ratchet shit

but it's actually probably any Lauryn Hill song from Miseducation of Lauryn Hill he's a big Lauryn Hill fan to your left we just had a great part about her good taste probably anything that I would have loved to work on

anything on that project but I was still such I was so young being influenced still during that point

so yeah what was the ratchet song um or the ratchet project a ratchet project maybe some Migos shit

early Migos you was in Atlanta for that yeah I remember they was doing maybe some Migos shit. Early Migos. You was in Atlanta for that. Yeah, I remember they was doing Pokemon and shit. But they had a song called Pokemon. I'll never forget it. Gotta catch them all. Something like that.

I've never heard that song in my life. It didn't come out. Oh, damn. Nah, I was going to ask you. So was it like Lauryn Hill from Sister Act that got you? Because that's the only reason I like Lauryn Hill because of Sister Act. No, it was like Lauryn Hill, Lauryn Hill. So the way I grew up, like I wasn't allowed to really listen to hip hop music. So the way I heard hip hop music was listening to my older brother's mixtapes and stuff.

You know, that's why I just discovered like 3 6 Mafia, Biggie, Tupac, Project, like literally all the- You Indianapolis for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Three 6 Mafia, you gotta be from that place. Yeah, yeah. Project Pet, shout out to DJ Black. Yeah, for sure.

And so, yeah, I gravitated towards, I listened, I grew up on a lot of different type of music. I listened to music that people would be like, quote unquote, I grew up on a lot of different type of music. I listened to music that people would be like, quote unquote, consider white people music. And then also I gravitated towards Lauryn Hill just because I loved her tone. And like she had like this deep, soulful voice and I wasn't used to hearing voices like that because usually the girls, they sound like real girly and you know feminine and so I loved her tone and I loved the fact that she played guitar and I wanted to learn how to play guitar

so yeah that's why I gravitated towards her but then Sister Act though Sister Act is fire it's a fire movie for sure would you pay tickets for our concert uh what I pay tickets i i would i would uh oh yeah listen i've seen lauren hill before it was for free and she did show up she was there on time uh i don't remember i don't think so i don't think so but um i'm definitely gonna support lauren hill like forever because she's been a huge inspiration to me so would I buy tickets yeah I'd buy tickets

to Lauryn Hill maybe not super in advance like you buy Beyonce tickets super in advance but you know I would I would definitely

buy tickets to see Lauryn if they weren't free that's real yeah I won't dang keep it a bean with you

I don't think she gonna show up dang yeah she does not trust for us surely she reimbursing though if I don't think she gonna show up. She just not trustworthy. Surely she reimbursing though if she don't want to show up. Surely. Yeah, that's out of pocket though.

Yeah, I'm gonna need that back. That's like you getting booked for a show and you just not pulling up and saying, Hey, I got y'all next time. That's crazy. Yeah, that would be crazy. That's a little crazy. Favorite concert you ever been to? My favorite? Yeah, we can go down the lot. Favorite concert, yeah? That's a good one.

Drake verse one. Just because they, I'm a concert boy, so I've never seen a battle in a concert with two major artists like that. So that was different. T? I would say

it would be between Beyonce. I've seen her twice. Damn. You paid for them high-ass tickets? I did. I did pay for those tickets. Damn.

Drake. Drake was pretty amazing. I saw him in Houston. And Random Experience. Oh, Coldplay. I saw him in Houston and a random experience. Oh Coldplay. I fuck with that. That shit was fire. You wasn't in that bullshit though was you? You was up in that. Nah, I was like backstage. Well, because her, I was just went on tour with her. Not even,

I wasn't even performing. I just got on the tour bus just to go on tour with her and Coldplay so I would go to the shows and that was like one of my favorite bands growing up cause I told you I wasn't allowed to listen to rap music so I was listening to bands

and shit so I was listening to Coldplay so that was amazing Coldplay Fall Out Boy those were dope concerts T

I ain't going to no Call Out what they call Fall Out Boy Call Out Boy yeah Coldplay See? I ain't going to no call out. What they call it? Call out boy? Hot play, I ain't messing with them. The best concert. I did fuck with N.C.

Me too. I get them in a Backstreet Boys mix. I said triple. But I went to a Jay-Z and Jeezy concert. That was probably my favorite concert ever. And then the Rod Wave concert was. Damn, that's right.

That was special, bro. I ain't going to hold you. Shout out to my dog, Hitty, bro. He took me to the Rod Wave concert. No, you took us. I did take you. I'm going to call him. But he inspired me to go.

I had a great time at Rod Wave. I was crying, happy all at one time. I ain't never been depressed and excited at one time. I ain't never been depressed and excited at one time. I said, I don't know

what emotion to have right now. He was like, I play for the Pacers. There's never been this many people here. On the first floor. I ain't saying that.

It was a couple games. When we was in the playoffs, it was like that. But then it got crazy in that motherfucker. But yeah, I personally, now to Rod Wave, I've never been to a concert where a motherfucker

sung word for word from the beginning to the end of somebody on stage. Shout out to Beyonce. I swear, like, no disrespect, but that was just kind of different. I think Rod Wave has that, he has, like, this cult following following, like you either love him, he got people that really mess with him because he makes really deep emotional music.

And so when you, those are the kind of people that's going to buy tickets to the concert. They're not just like listening passively on Spotify or whatever. For sure. So yeah. What's yours DJ? Shit, the one that we was at together, that Drake, Nicky and Ross. And Bloomington. I mean, not Drake, Wayne, Nicky and Ross and Bloomington.

Ooh. That's the best concert I've ever been to. Fire. Yeah, that was fire. Rick Ross was there at the opener, and he just got up there with a backdrop and just did the whole Teflon Don all the way through and got off stage. It was fire as fuck. That was Homecoming, right?

Mm-hmm. I remember that. I used to have the craziest Homecoming performances. Oh, yeah. Shout out to my nigga Shell. He was on that bus wildin'. Tell us more about that. Nah, we ain't talkin' about it, but shout out to my nigga KY, too.

The name start gettin' added in the stories. The shit gets funny. No, no smut, no smut. Niggas got situations. No smutty. But that was them like prime Nicki too. And like Nicki about to have an album coming out next week and ain't nobody talking about it.

She not. But in her prime. I mean she is. Yeah, she has a prime. I used to love Nicki. I know that was my favorite girl in the world. I think she's the best rapper

female of all time. I think so too. I want to talk about her rap ability. I think so too. I think people be. I know Fendi Teague. I was just keeping this in music. People be trying to shit on Nikki

little horny horn horn over there I used to have a Nikki shirt with little cheeks was out but yeah she's so unique

that's what you say she's so unique yeah she is she got a beautiful look she beautiful and she people be trying to shit on Nikki I don't like that.

I don't think people try to shit on her. How she look. It's the shit that comes with her. Yep. You know what I mean? It's the whole, her husband, all that shit. It's kind of like. How she married? Yeah. No disrespect, my boy. He don't DM you like he did Offset. Ah, damn. Offset's a, I don't want no smoke, man.

I just think that changed to me I feel like that changed her career for real like when she got with him and people started finding out like who he was and his background

honestly on top of that when she left Safari shit got different did y'all say he wrote her bars uh yeah some of it

I don't think Safari he contributed I'm not gonna say she's talented but he definitely contributed. I think people try to pin people against Nicki and other female rappers. Yeah, it was Eazy McCarty. I think people do that when somebody else come out,

especially with women, like female artists. Don't nobody ever see somebody trying to pin Taylor Swift against, I don't know, another one of these white girls. That's the one girl, too. Taylor Swift or Britney Spears, don't they? We don't know. That's a nasty person. But that's the black community.

Yeah. Trying to discredit a motherfucker, trying to nitpick. Right, and act like it's only one person who can exist in that space. And so I felt like they really tried to amp up that whole whatever. That fucked up the music industry. It did. It really did. How you feel about writing though?

Like, I know you clearly, you look at it as you helping the artists become better or whatever, but like, what's your take on writing? Do you prefer writing or performing? My take on writing? Yeah,

I prefer performing. I don't really like, so like I started writing by accident a little bit because I did the song with Wale, Bad, that people know. And I put that song on YouTube as use that song for a single. So after, you know, Wale and I kind of fell out after that song. And then I went and signed a deal with Interscope. And it just like, I didn't love it there. I feel like they wanted me to be on some, like I was on my stoner like bad girl shit right acoustic shit and i feel like they wanted me to be on like some i don't know a little bit more corny than like a little bit more corny than what i wanted to do they didn't like the whole stoner shit because they

didn't realize like a whole wave of that was about to come. Yeah, for sure. Exactly. And so I was kind of just trying to figure my life out while I was at Interscope. I put out a couple of projects. I put out a project that was kind of like different from what people knew me as on my acoustic raw shit. And so, yeah, I was just trying to figure it out. And in the meantime, I had gotten a new management company. And at the time, her wasn't even thought of. Her name was Gabby. But that name wasn't even thought of. She was like 15.

What year is this? I want to say 2015. Okay. Is that with Rico? I signed with Rico. Yeah, through Interscope. Okay, there we go. Rico Love. Shout out to Rico.

He fucked with the show. Yeah, shout out to Rico. He's a super talented writer, but I just think our chemistry, we just didn't mix over there at the label. And as someone who, he was a writer, producer, I'm a writer, producer. You know. I can understand. So anyway, I met her, Gabby. She was like 15.

And we had the same management. And she was just kind of like, she was fire. I saw her playing guitar and singing one day. The first day I met her, I walked in the studio and she was in there playing like Aaliyah on the guitar. And I was like, damn, she's fire. And I just love when artists are fire. Like I just be wanting other people to see them. I'm like, damn, like she, this little 15 year old girl, she got a tone like this.

So I started writing music with her and her shit just took off. And so all that shit, all that her shit was just kind of by accident. We just have a very organic writing relationship. And so it just so happened that I just wrote all these songs with her. The last album that she put out, I wrote maybe 11 all these songs with her. Like I was the last album that she put out. Like I wrote maybe 11 songs on there with her. We would just, it would just be us two in the studio for hours.

Just vibing out. Was you a part of damage? Yeah. Yep. Damage. Come through. That's my come through. I wrote come through when I was,

I wrote come through like damn near six years ago. I was like mad depressed at the time. And I was trying to figure out what I was going to do with my life. And I remember I was in the closet. I was literally inside of my closet and in the dark. And I was mad depressed at this time in my life. And I was just trying to think of something cool. And somebody sent me this guitar loop for Come Through featuring Chris Brown. It didn't have Chris Brown on it at the time, obviously.

But I just started coming up with this fly. Like, it was fly. They won't tell because they trying to live their best life too. Yeah, so I was like, okay. Yeah, so I was like okay yeah so i was like that's your heart but at the time like as an artist sometimes when you do something you don't know that it's dope i mean like i knew that it was dope but it's like you had to see it through yeah you don't be believing sometimes until like hella other people say oh this is fire shit is fire. But when I heard it, when I did it, I was like, that's fire. And I was like, yo, my pen's crazy. And I, that song,

I just sat on that song for a long time. And then I was in the studio with her one day and I was like, yo, listen to this song. And she was like, that's fire. And she wanted to cut it and she cut the song. And then the next time we never talked about it again because we just be writing hella songs. So we never talked about it again because we'd just be writing hella songs. So we never talked about the song again, but my manager came in the studio like two years later and he was like, yo, I want y'all to hear something. He played the song and it had Chris Brown on it.

We didn't know how Chris Brown got on it. He was just on it. And so we were like, cool. So they just went with that. Rob Markman, He knew the vibes, he heard that shit, he was like, yeah, I need that. Yeah, yeah. But I was going to use that as one of my singles

but I felt like I sent it around to a couple people. I sent it to my management and they were like, yeah, this is cool. But they weren't like hype and I was just like, no, this shit is fire.

Hold on. That didn't make you feel the way though? It did. I mean, that's how it be though. Like, that's really how it be

in the music industry. Like, you might write some shit that's how it be though. Like, that's really how it be in the music industry. Like, you might write some shit that's fire and somebody hear it and they're like, yeah, this is cool. And you kind of think, dang, maybe it's just cool. And then it come up a couple years later. That's shit hard. And everybody confirms that the shit is fire. And then they're like, oh, this is fire. But that's just how it be.

That's just the game. You know, it's crazy if you think about it, every good song has got passed on. Every hit has got passed on. It's crazy that somebody made this fire and it took the right person, the right circumstance to get to that. Exactly. But with you being a writer, I always wondered, like, you know, obviously in rap, niggas getting ridiculed if you write for somebody else bars like they nothing on you.

With it being R&B and a double genres of music where that's more welcome with today's accessibility to put out your own music or like have a different platform to where you can be your own manager, your own label right now. Everybody can hear your music go viral now. Would you have felt differently being a writer if you came out in this era? I think, uh, I'm not, um, I don't regret like any, how anything went because I think my career like has worked out well. It wasn't how I expected, but it was like, oh, okay. It's not going to go that way, but okay. Okay, that's cool. So I don't regret it. I don't regret how anything went. And also what I do understand as a writer, as a singer-songwriter, is that sometimes you have a song and I wanted her to hear this song in particular come through. I thought it would be a bigger song if she sang it. Yeah, that's right.

And with the with the place that I was at in my career at the time, I thought it would be a bigger song if she sang it. And so now, yeah, now it's a different it's a different time in music. You don't need a label. You can just personally hire all these people that the label hires because that's what they do. They hire social media marketers and all these different people and artists can do that themselves independently now if you got the bread to do it. So definitely I've been doing a lot less writing for other artists because I have a publishing deal. So I get opportunities to call me and be like, yo, you want to work with so-and-so?

And if I don't want to work with them, I don't work with them. If I think they're dope, if I like their voice, if I like their vibe, then I'm like, OK, cool. I'll go fuck with them. But yes, there's a lot of stuff that I keep to myself. I keep to myself now. What was the biggest lesson you learned from that Bad record though? From Bad? because I felt like I didn't, now, 10 years, more than 10 years later,

a little bit more than 10 years later, I look back and I realize I didn't enjoy that moment. Like an artist should enjoy their first song, being on the radio. I didn't enjoy it. I think there was a lot of drama surrounding the song. I think maybe also coming from Indiana, I didn't know anything about the music industry at the time.

I didn't know how anything worked. And so some things I may have have taken personally or I just didn't understand until several years later. But I'm happy that the song turned out the way it did, that it was my song. And then Wale ended up using it as his song. I know during that time when Wale was with Atlantic, I don't even know if I'm supposed to say this, but I mean, it's just the facts. All I can do is just say the facts. At the time, it wasn't popular

to have an unsigned artist on your song. Now, any type of artist, you don't have to be signed. You can be on the radio. Now, any type of artist, you don't have to be signed. You can, you know, be on the radio. Nobody, you know, nobody cares. But at the time, they were, this song that was already

on my YouTube for like, you know, two years maybe, they were trying to find somebody else to sing it. And The Hook. So they was, I heard, you know, I heard Kelly Rowland's name

thrown out there. I heard Cassland's name thrown out there. I heard Cassie's name thrown out there. But initially it was my voice that stayed on the song because I, you know, wrote and co-produced the song. Good shit. That publishing money. Yeah. And then, you know, as you know, the bad remix came out with Rihanna.

And that's what I really didn't understand at the time was owning publishing on a song and then having an artist as big as Rihanna sing your song. Like when that shit first came out and I first heard Rihanna was on that joint, I was like, hold on. Was you offended or was you like, ah shit, it's lit? Nah, I was like, hold on. Was you offended or was you like, ah, shit, it's lit? Nah, I was salty. I feel you. That's real.

Yeah, I was salty because it wasn't long lived. Here's the thing. I'm a Rihanna fan. That's who I listened to in college. I had a haircut that was inspired by Rihanna. Like, Rihanna albums, like, I will still say to in college, I had a haircut that was inspired by Rihanna, like Rihanna albums. Like I will still say to this day out of all singers, I think Rihanna has the most well put together albums. What's your favorite album?

Maybe Anti. Yeah. Cause she just be having everything on that joint. Like she going to cover all the bases. And so I was just, I was very inspired by Rihanna. I loved Rihanna. And so when she sang my song, all I saw was online. Like, as somebody who's like a nobody from Indiana, and then you get online and hear all these people talking.

Like, you just not, I wasn't prepared for that. You know, and they were like, oh, Rihanna stole your song and blah, blah, blah. I was like, what the heck? And I know me and Wale were beefing at the time and so he had called me maybe like a Couple days before that song came out and I you know He's trying to clean it up a little bit cuz you know that remix was about to come out. He was like Basically, they was in a club Wale had a section in the club R while they had a section in the club, Rihanna had a section

in the club and Rihanna was like, the bag came on and Rihanna was like, I want to sing that song. And so he was like, yo, come, you know, come sing the remix. And so, yeah, when a joint came out, I heard it when everybody else heard it and I was like, damn, Rihanna on my song. And I was salty at the time. And I think I was just salty because, you know, me and Wale were beefing. And I felt like it was something behind that.

You know, the reason why Rihanna was on the song. He was trying to blow that bitch up. Yeah. Yeah. And then when I saw that the song actually blew up because Rihanna was on a joint. I was like, and I still own the song. I was like, hold on now. Yeah, I was like, now who else can we get on the song?

Does Taylor Swift want to get a verse? He tried to do the flies, huh? Yeah, exactly. He tried to do Master P. Exactly, yeah. Who else want to get a verse on the song? Yeah, so when I realized like really how that worked and then actually really, once I like kind of stepped out of my ego and listened to the song, I was like, yo, Rihanna sing the joint just like me. She didn't switch up how it's like, she's singing that like me. She like how I sing it. Yeah. And, uh, and so, uh, yeah. And so I was like, and also this is one she like how i sing it yeah and uh and so uh yeah and so i was

like and also this is one of my favorite artists at the time so i was like yeah that's that's actually pretty dope and so um and it worked out for me and still like the original of bad is the original and you know i think that's the version that people gravitate towards. Although, you know, Rihanna's saying the remix. So that's pretty cool that I have a Rihanna writing credit under my belt. Shout out to your pen, straight up.

No, that's fine. Like you said, you're getting used to the business acumen of doing something that you love. It's a hell of a switch up because Wale probably in some instances was just kind of like, this is business. And then you realize, oh, a lot of people get in these situations to where, oh, this is normal. Kind of like how we did with podcasting.

And we thought once we got to a point, business kind of picked up, we thought things would go a little bit different. They were a little bit drawn out. But to see all his fire reels that we didn't have on YouTube doing millions of views, we were just like, oh, we made that. We can get shit from it. Yeah. When it from it. Yeah. But it looks cool.

Yeah. I mean, it is really about, it's really about, um, discovery. People, people discovering.

And sometimes like, not all the time, but sometimes like that, that shit be really. That was good marketing for you. It's the best publicity. It was. It really was.

It really was. And that puts you in different rooms for real. Cause was a great marketing for you. It really was. And that put you in different rooms for real, because now motherfuckers want to know who really behind the song. And the only thing is like, would you ask me what my biggest lesson from that? I wish I would have taken advantage of that more instead of realizing like, you know, nowadays some people like, they like the, even whether it's positive attention or negative attention.

Like I took the negative attention and I, like, I took it personal. When really, because I didn't know at the time, like, yo, you better use this as an opportunity to catapult yourself. And, like, you know. Listen to the wrong motherfuckers. Exactly, yeah. So, I think that's one thing that I wish I would have done better. But I was young, very young at the time.

Like I said, from Indiana. I don't know anything about the industry. So I wish I just would have, you know. And you didn't have nobody to really guide you through. Yeah, I didn't have anybody to guide me. It was literally, yeah. You and him straightened out, though, right? Yeah.

So he hit up my, his people hit up my people like a couple weeks ago. I did a show. I did a song on Victoria Monet victoria monet's tour i sang bad and uh my manager hit me up i was like yo wally said he wants you to come to dc and do uh do bad so i did that like two weeks ago and that's the first time i saw wale in like several years uh 10 plus years and for definitely the first time I performed it with them in like 10 plus years. So that was cool. That's a good energy.

That's fire. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Y'all got that back right. I got to ask you, what was your favorite concert that you performed at? Like your favorite setting that you've done? Like I know you've been on a lot of different stages. What's your most memorable one? My most memorable one?

My most memorable? I don't know. I think all this shit's been pretty fun. I was on, I think it's cool that, I mean, I was on tour with Pusha T and that was so random, but- Definitely. Yeah. That was fun. It was Pusha T and Bia before Bia like really got cracking, cracking. Was he selling Coke on the tour? No. Not that I know of. Pusha T, shit.

No, he wasn't. He was mad cool. That's a cold following right there. Yeah, for sure. I agree. I respect Pusha. Yeah, I do. I love Pusha T. But man, if I hear one more coke verse, I'm going to go crazy. We need it. Yeah, I was on tour with Pusha T and that shit was cool

because like I was on a rap concert and like that was fire. And I thought being on tour with her was pretty fun. That's when I got to travel the world. I had never left the country and never had a passport. So I was bouncing. I was in Germany. I was in Paris. I was going.

So that shit was crazy. That's fire. So yeah, that was fun too. Just traveling and just experiencing life. So it's just cool to be in different countries and shit and people be singing your songs. They don't even speak English that well, but they be knowing the words to your songs. So, I don't know. I just, I like being on stage.

I like performing. I'm looking forward to getting back to that. Don't turn into Lauryn Hill, goddammit. Nah. She was on time today, though. Don't turn into Lauryn Hill, goddammit. Nah. You gotta pull up. She talking about she your inspiration. She was on time today though. No, no, yeah.

Don't tell her too much, Lauryn. I was a little bit late today, but I'm usually very, yeah, I'm punctual. I try to be professional. I haven't had, I had one media training back in 2013, but I'm a communications major, so I be trying to like, you know. Are you sure? I was just fucking with you. Yeah. Professional. Your last training was in 2013, but I want to get the updated mail.

I know. It's a little bit different now. Some things you can't say that you can just say back there. I realize that. I realize that, but it's cool. Yeah, I just might have to put out there, y'all. I don't got no media training it's just me it's just me and my thoughts for sure yeah you said you was a basketball fan before we got on the show we got on air i like basketball you told me your cousin was isaiah thomas we

and isaiah thomas got a little history man he cussed me out one day i i i heard um he said he was trash and you say he was trash yeah we had a little Back and forth Yeah That is my cousin So I discovered this So my grandma and granddaddy Had 20 kids together God damn Shout out to the Yeah

20's old dude Yeah so my daddy Yeah I think my daddy Is number 17 And my daddy, yeah, I think my daddy is number 17. And my daddy's brother, my Uncle Jimmy, so my Uncle Jimmy, my daddy's brother, his son is Keith, Isaiah's daddy. Gotcha. And so anyway, I knew Isaiah was my cousin when he played for the Sacramento Kings. And I was like, that's your cousin. He plays professional

basketball, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, oh, cool. Yes, I'm a basketball fan. I like basketball. I used to play. What position did you play? I played point, as you can see. Was you nice? I mean... Or was you getting dragged?

Listen, it was a long... Listen, it was a long time. I can shoot, okay? Oh, damn. I'm going to tell you that. I can shoot. I can shoot. I got bad knees at this point and ankles. That might be your other cousin.

Yeah, I got... That might be kid folk now. I got to look up the lineage. Maybe. I'm going to do my ancestry.com. When did you stop hooping? I stopped hooping. I gave up my hoop dreams for show choir when I realized, I mean, because it was girls that was hooping.

Like, you can tell they was like playing with niggas growing up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they was hooping. Like, you can tell they was, like, playing with niggas growing up. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to your bass. Yeah, they was hooping like that. And so, when I realized I liked music and I was very invested in music, then I started doing show choir, track. You know, I ran track.

I got dusted in track a little bit, though. So, you just went with your girl? No, no, no. I wasn't slow. I a little bit, though. So, you don't want to say it all together? No, no, no. I wasn't slow. I wasn't slow, but, you know them girls that just be having to,

when you be on a, what you call them, when you be on a starting line and you about to, you in the starting blocks or whatever, I could just tell, you know, them bitches,

they had, their thighs was just big. Yeah, they had to fight for their life. Yeah, they did. Their thighs was big big. Yeah, they had to fight for their life. Yeah, they did. They thighs was big and they was just like, woof. They had me in the sprints too,

you know, like 100 meters. Oh, so you was doing it for fun. They was serious. Yeah, they was serious. They was trying to get the college dudes out there playing around. Yeah, they was serious. Like the girls, they was wearing Jordans.

On the track? Yeah. They weren't trying to win. And they went, no, but they weren't playing though. They was from Slums. Yeah, they weren't playing though. You was wearing some bitches from Ripple.

I was. I was. I was. I guess I'm about to say they had to go to Northwest. That's my lady. They say I had no.

I was. I was racing against bitches in threes and they wasn't playing. They was running from the cops. Yeah. That was recreational

for them. They got real 40 times. Yeah, you didn't stand a chance. You out there some cementaries. That's my fucking project all cute. Got some real 40 times Yeah you didn't stand a chance You out there Some cement trees That's my fucking project All cute

Got some real tractions Yeah I did have real tractions I had to make sure I had the nice spikes too And they had those Right three Yeah That's how it was

Fuckin' sucked Yeah I was getting Dusted a little bit Yeah Bobo's on the back Get to your The fuck out of here Yeah I was getting

Dusted a little bit Yeah you wasn't Dusted in that one Yeah but I was getting dusted a little bit. Yeah, you was dusted that one. Yeah, but I found my niche. I found my, with music. So I was like, you know, let me decide. Let me, I can still like, you know, I got little handles and I can shoot and, you know,

I can run from somebody who trying to get me. But, you know, I just decided to chill out on the sports a little bit. But I played when I was in middle school. And like I said, I probably would have took it more seriously in high school had I not been super involved in show choir. And it was like Glee Club. It was serious. What middle school you went to? Craig.

Oh, you went to Craig? Okay. It ain't Craig no more. What is it now? It's just office building. Okay. We played Craig. Mike and Greg went to Craig.

What's your other school? Fall Creek. Fall Creek. Yep. Yeah, I went to high school with Greg Oden. I can specifically remember walking through the hallways, and it was just like the students and Greg. That's a big motherfucker.

Yeah, he was just sticking out. Yeah, that was crazy. But yeah, I'm like, that's a big motherfucker. Yeah. He was just sticking out. Yeah. That was crazy. But yeah, I went to a middle school, high school, Greg Oden.

I thought that was pretty cool, but yeah. How was those days at LN with them there? Was they like rock stars? Yeah, they were. Yeah. Yup.

They really were. You was going to the game. Oh, Greg, Greg and, um, don't tell me. I'm going to tell you.

Uh, I got a few minutes. Mike Conley. Shout out to Mike. Yeah. I was about to tell you. I've got a few minutes. Mike Conley. Shout out to Mike. I almost had a brain fart, but yeah, Mike Conley. We like them niggas though. Shout out to my nigga Brandon McPherson. That's my dog.

I hated them. They ended my season every single year. Hold on. Don't ever write Pike and L.N. like we wouldn't. Pike ain't them. We been them. Nah, Pike. Yeah, Mike. We was still yo but Isaiah what

Isaiah Isaiah my cousin that I knew that was my cousin I said this is my cousin I used to be telling people

yeah my cousin plays in the NBA so I was in LA one day and I was chilling with my homies from Boston this is when Isaiah was playing for Boston and I was like LA one day and I was chilling with my homies from Boston. This is when Isaiah

was playing for Boston. And I was like, you know, that's my cousin. I never met him, but I knew that was my cousin. And they was like, that's not your cousin. I was like, I swear to God, that's my cousin. And so we were just sitting around, we were drunk and I was like, I'm about to DM him. So I DM'd him when I was drunk and I was like, yo, what's up Isaiah? I'm your cousin. and I was like I'm about to DM them so I DM'd them when I was drunk and I was like yo what's up Isaiah I'm your cousin and uh I was like I'm trying to I'm trying to come to the game because they they were playing like LA or the Clippers I can't um Lakers or the Clippers yeah Lakers or Clippers and I was like I can't remember I think it was Lakers yeah anyway he responded to me because he probably looking at me like, yo, that's my cousin.

My cousin, like, that's my cousin that sings that song. That's my cousin. That's this R&B singer or whatever. So I didn't think he was going to respond to me, but he did. And he got Gabby tickets, me and my friend tickets to the game. And so we pulled up at the game. I was like, I told you, that's my cousin. And after the game, we hung out and I saw, I met him and his wife and his kids and we took photos and I was like, damn, like, cause that's when IZ, IT, he was, he was balling at, in Boston. He was killing. Yeah. He was balling and they were like, yeah, he was, he was balling. And they were like, yeah, he was. He really knocked the ass out. Yeah. Send them all home.

Shout out to IT. Nah, IT was killing. I ain't saying he wasn't killing. He was killing, but we showed up, sent them home. Yeah. You know what's funny about that? I hate you lost to that team, Isaiah, man. He definitely was getting 40.

He was killing. He was killing. He was cold. One of your lost cousins hit you over tickets. He ended up not getting read. My cousin hit me up. He was killing it. He was killing it. He was calling. One of your lost cousins hit you over tickets. He ended up not getting read. Ah, my cousin hit me up. It's over with.

Good luck. Yeah, ain't shit. You said it's a wrap? I've been like... They got too many of them motherfuckers. Yeah, I've been like... I have 27.

I didn't think he was going to respond to me, but he did. I would have seen that teague and been like... Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. He ain't shit.

Who was your favorite basketball player growing up? Growing up? I liked Reggie Miller growing up. Oh, we can. Guys, thank you. Yep. Sierra's been a great guest. Dang.

I liked Reggie Miller. I liked Mark Jackson. I went to Mark Jackson basketball camp. That's why she said she got handles. Y'all throwing shit on Mark Jackson.

And you're not going to call him MJ either. We're not going to do that either. She said she went to the Mark Jackson either. We're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. She said she went to the Mark Jackson camp. She did do jail. You were really from Indianapolis. I did.

I went to the Mark Jackson basketball camp, but I never forget because I had a tan and I was real black and this white boy asked me, he's like, are you from Africa? Make that a real. Racism at basketball camps is crazy that's it

that's Indiana for you Indiana's for you that's Indiana's for you I never forgot that

I never forgot what that white boy said to me that is crazy yeah but dang what's wrong

with Reggie Miller though it's over that's dead really yeah it's fine that's your favorite player.

I didn't say that was my favorite player. I'm just saying like that's when back in the day when I started playing basketball and I was like looking at Larry Bird and these old school niggas and I was hooping in Chucks and messing my feet up. Wait a minute. You ain't that motherfucker. Yo, I was watching

what's the movie Hoosiers? I've never seen it. They tricked you, man. Yeah, I was watching like old school footage? Hoosiers? I've never seen that And they was hooping in chucks They tricked you, man Yeah, I was watching Like old school footage And they was hooping in chucks I was like

I don't want to hoop in chucks I had some red chucks That I was hooping in My feet was fucked up They was laughing at you They was the only niggas That hooped against you They said somebody

Get Ronald McDonald And she brought her And them bitches tied up So tight I did You know what? You was crying Curled up You know what, y'all? They I did. You know what? You know what, y'all?

You know what? When I put my shoes on today, I left them, I left them like this because I usually, I usually be tying them up real tight. I usually be,

but I'm about to go, I'm about to go chill. Yeah, but I was like, I'm about to go chill with, you know, some hoop niggas, so let me leave my shit loose. But I was going to tie it up real tight, but I was like I'm about to go chill with you know some hoop niggas so let me leave my shit loose but I was gonna

tie it up real tight but I didn't if I were to see you with Chucks at crib bro I'd be crying yeah I was hooping in Chucks

what color was it red no it was red your coach had a pocket cause he was supposed to make you change your shoes your coach was

definitely a volunteer yeah that was not no real hoop coach it's cool i was trying to i was trying to be like them no that's what's up i've never seen a movie you never seen hoosiers dang no that was a good movie it's not better than both of them oh that's a nigga movie yeah that's a you can't compare hoosiers is like a hoosiers is like an indie documentary. Yeah, exactly. I played in a hickory gang.

Did you have a hickory jersey too? Yuck. They were awful. Trash jerseys. Some of the worst jerseys I've ever been part of. They're racist jerseys. Definitely racist. For sure. They just try to let that go like it was normal. He was definitely a slave that night.

Oh, wow. I got a slave that night. Oh, wow. Dang. Man, he out of pocket. You can't say that. I got a question for you. Like, when you think of, like, classic artists, like, who haven't you worked with that you would love to work with? I know you worked with Mary J. She's my favorite. Really?

Yeah. I worked with Mary J. That was pretty cool because, I mean, she just was like, she seemed just like Mary J. She seemed like people out there. Yeah. No, she was nice, though. Like, she wasn't like, oh, my God. But she was just like, yo, what's up?

Like, you know, she had her J's on. She was cool. She seemed like how Mary J would act. Like, she was acting cool. She had Jordans on? Yeah, she had some J's on. I feel like Mary J only wear boots, like tall boots. Nah, she definitely had some J's on. I i was looking at i was examining her whole fit i was

examining everything about mary j because i was just like damn like i'm in the studio with mary j platt that's crazy um my manager was like yo said to me and her gabby is her name when I say her my manager was like yo this was after we won the Oscar I think my manager was like yo don't say that like that though say what you want to say it again well I have to say that because it was literally right after the Oscars

but you said it like you know you really participated though I didn That's how I do my EA ring. You really participated, though. I didn't participate, so I do my ring like that. Can we know what the Oscar was for first? Tell the world. The Oscar? The Oscar was for Judas and the Black Messiah.

I don't know if you guys saw that movie, but we wrote the end title song for that movie. And so that was a crazy ass experience so yeah then after that people was just like yo right after that they was like yo can you come right can you come do this so my manager was like yo mary wants y'all to come write a song with her so we went in the studio mary j showed up like i said she had her's on. I think they was black and gold. I'm not sure. Some sixes, probably. I don't know.

She looked, no, they were, I'm not sure, actually. Dang, I wish I remembered. She looked cute. I think they were ones. I can tell Mary wear ones. Yeah, I think they were ones. And I was like, dang, Mary, Mary got on some J's. And anyway, so we wrote a song with Mary.

And that shit was crazy because just like I grew up listening to Mary, my life. And then we writing a song with her and she just talking to us like regular. So that was cool. So yeah, we was just in the studio writing Good Morning Gorgeous with Mary J. Blige. That's a horror song. That's fire. How do you feel about movie scores? Like doing movies, music different than like doing movie score stuff? I feel like it looks like it's way more fun to catch like a, like a feeling of a whole

motion picture and you just get to write around that. It's like doing a different way of a soundtrack. Basically, yeah, it is cool. We went, we were already working on her album and we were, they were like, yo, can you write the song for judas and the black messiah so we watched the movie in the studio and um then after we watched the movie because you know you saw judas and the black messiah and we were mad afterwards we was like these motherfuckers you felt like that basketball camp I did It took me back to the basketball camp

It took me back to Mike Jackson basketball camp And For the dude that called me African That said I was African And That's crazy Fuck yo

No that shit was crazy That's like one of the most racist Things somebody said Only in Indiana though Only in Indiana Yeah For sure The simple way that he said that Was so impactful is like, nigga, you out of pocket.

Yeah. And I knew I was looking extra dark around that time. The fact that you remember that for the rest of your life. I did. I will. Yeah, but we watched the movie in the studio. And we were just like, wow. I didn't even know about Fred Hampton and, you know, this whole Black Panther.

I mean, I knew about the Black Panthers, but I didn't know. Like, dang, they really be like, they really be killing niggas. Oh, yeah. And when I say they, I mean. The people. They. Yeah. Facts.

And so. Shout out to Memphis. Yeah. So we were listening to a bunch of music from the 70s from that era curtis mayfield marvin gaye just listening to different percussive elements and just grooves and then we just started writing this song fight for you and um we didn't think anything about it just like we never did after we wrote a song. We weren't like, oh, this is going to win this.

Like, we're going to win. We're going to get nominated for this. We just wrote the song and we just like, okay. And went on about the day or went on about, you know, and that joint got nominated. I actually found out it was nominated for an Oscar while I was at the Grammys. Ah, you stunting now.

That's she out of pocket. No, I'm just saying that's what happened. That's what happened though. That's what happened. We were on E! News and I think they were, we won a song for best song of the year at the Grammys. And that night they said, oh, by the way, you guys are nominated for an Oscar.

And we were nominated for so many things, like the Golden Globe Awards, just like awards I never heard of. Just, you know, because I'm not in the acting world. So those awards,

Golden Globes and Critics' Choice and, you know, all these things. Keep running them off. Go ahead. Those things. Keep going.

Yeah. But it was really crazy because as a writer as a singer songwriter you don't really get to be

I mean you're not really like linked up with actors and stuff that much so like at the Oscars when you're seeing Harrison Ford

and Halle Berry it's like it's different than seeing Meg Thee Stallion and Drake and like... Yeah, we don't want to see her. You don't want to see Meg? Why not? I'd rather see Halle.

Yeah, I see Halle. You'd rather see Halle Berry? My friend, he loves Megan Thee Stallion. He says she look better than Beyoncé. I think Meg is beautiful. Her body is... It ain't better than Beyonce. Let's stop. Yes, it is. No, it's not.

He out of pocket. Well, I don't want to compare that. I think they both have great bodies. I'm just saying. I think they both have great bodies, but I do... I like... I mean, I like the way Meg looks.

She's fire. She look good. She's fire. I got to take the ND to... And so does Beyonce. Beyonce looks amazing, too. I just went and saw the Renaissance movie and she was looking better than ever.

So, did you... You went and saw the tour, obviously. Yes. And the better than ever so did you you went to the tour obviously yes and the movie yes you're out of pocket opening night you're out of pocket yes y'all are at it did you dress up i didn't dress up i went i went in my in my night clothes but i definitely went in with a suit i i went i went in for the renaissance tour because beyonce asked that of us. So you're part of the Beehive? I mean, you know. Oh, Lord. I'm not about to be...

I'm definitely a Beyonce fan, that's for sure. Me too, though. I couldn't go to that tour, though. I'm a Beyonce fan. I'm not, like, crazy about any celebrity. Like, people may be, but Beyonce you definitely gotta recognize

that she has a different kind of work work ethic and she's a generational type artist and so I respect her

I respect her work ethic and yeah she's she's really that bitch you going to the Destiny Child tour? they got a tour?

no way absolutely I feel like they should it's gonna be kelly because we're waiting for the new it's gonna be beyonce and kelly because ain't nobody oh i thought you said r kelly i was like what he's not gonna be because we're waiting on a tour nelly tour nelly tour yeah we were going to that with ashanti and nelly yeah are they really having a tour we're speaking answer as a freshman. Yeah. We want that. But Ja Rule has to come along. Ja Rule got to be on a tour with him. No.

Ja Rule... Ja Rule really set the tone. Okay? For what? For the singing... Go ahead. That's what I wanted you to talk about. Well, um... So he's better than Drake?

Well... No. I'm not saying that. Make sure he set that tone. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not going. I'm not saying that because Drake... Drake, I'm not saying that. Make sure he said that tone. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that because Drake, Drake, I really believe. And I don't know if like people think, because I know people think like, oh, if you like Drake, that's like, you know, typical rapper.

But Drake really is that guy. Drake cold. Can I ask you a real question though? What? All right. I said something a while back and people kind of gave me a lot they said that i said that michael jackson really couldn't sing that good i just said he was cool what you think about michael jackson voice you think it's like it's like that or is this like it's just okay here's what i want to hear

look she's feeling me she's feeling me yeah i'm telling you here's what I want to hear. Look, she feeling me. She feeling me. Yeah. Here's what I want to say. Here's what I want to say, Jeff. I think Michael Jackson had a stylistic type of singing. It was a certain style to it where people weren't used to hearing people sing like that and be able to do you know so many

different inflections with their voice you know so um i think he is unique as far as like a sanger no i don't thank you thank you yeah i know as far as like a sanger no but it that can you make it a real huh yeah i said ABC 1-2-3, it was beautiful. Yeah, I think Mike has a beautiful, interesting voice. As far as like, do I think it fits with like a Tevin Campbell or a... I mean a lot of R&B singers that we have out these days. No, I don't think it like compares to that type of voice. But I think he had a stylistic type of voice.

Maybe like a Rihanna. Okay. So was I out of pocket for saying like Drake? Never mind. No, just say it. I said Drake. Him and Michael Jackson was like similar singing. I thought they just both made good songs.

No, I don't think they're similar. I think Drake has his pocket that he be in. Drake know his pocket. Is it out of pocket? It's not. I appreciate his pocket on what was the album that had Sticky on it?

It's like two albums ago. Jeff loves Hotline Bling It's a good song It's a good song It's a good song It's a really good song And you know what Drake

Out of I think Drake has the most He said I would've hung that phone up Y'all don't like Hotline Bling? Trash Really? That was his ringtone Drake has the most. He's out with a hotline phone though. Y'all don't like Hotline Bling? Trash. Really? That was his ringtone.

That was DJ's ringtone. DJ did yoga to Hotline Bling. No, Drake really got them. Drake really know how to make them joints. He got the singy, singy joints. Like, take care. Love that album. Yo, Drake.

Drake is really that guy so even if he put out an album that I'm like I didn't really love that it's cool it wasn't for us it's cool because

he got so many albums I think that's the only artist that has multiple albums that you just like every song on there like Drake been putting out shit since 2008, 2009. There's a couple more artists with it.

Who? Like who you think? Hov. Don't do that. Hov got five albums. Okay. Wayne too. What would you think the best Hov?

Oh, okay. Wayne, Carter 3. Carter 3 is amazing. What's the best Hov album? Black Album. Black Album is amazing. Okay, I agree. I like American Gangster too.

I say Black Album. I love Black Album. I understand why Black Album. But why are we Okay, I agree. I like American dance too. I say Black Album. I love Black Album. I understand why Black Album, but why are we discounting Blueprint though? I love Blueprint. Ain't nobody discounting Black Album. Black Album just rocks. That moment. I'm wrong with that. Yeah, it was the moment. I would say my party was done. Him never agreed, but that Black Album time

is different. So what's you guys' favorite rap album? I got a couple. He talks to the ladies first. It's 8-Ball MJG. So what's you guys' favorite rap album? Wow I got a couple What is it? It's 8 Ball MJJ Yeah, it might be something I think you're trying to slide a joke Yeah

But we got TT on the show, so Who's your favorite rap album? My favorite rap album? Damn, T, you put me on the spot That's a good one Our beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Ooh That's a rap album

You know what? Okay. I respect it. I really respect that because I think Kanye is my favorite rapper. Yeah, he's mine too. He's a go.

Okay. I wouldn't say he's a go but he's my favorite. I didn't appreciate it until a little bit after the fact though. Yeah. Because it's the Asian one.

Also 808s and heartbreaks though. Amazing. Yeah. I didn't appreciate that until after the fact too when you realize like some stuff you just gotta Yeah. Cause it's the age you are. Also 808s and heartbreaks though. Amazing. Yeah. I didn't even appreciate that till after the fact too, when you realize like some stuff you just gotta go back and listen to like, wow, this, this thing can really start. Yeah.

And we probably in the same age realm and we were coming into our adult age when that album came out. We didn't know that completely outside then, but once we got a little bit older, you started for real for a day. But I see why I didn't think it was like that. Yeah, exactly. That was good. That was a good one. I bought you some time here. Where you at? Where you at? you started for a day but i see why i didn't think it was like that yeah exactly that was good that

was a good one i bought you some time here where you're at where you at uh my favorite i wouldn't say the best my favorite is rick ross first album true oh true came out with white house and uh what was that hustling this damn port of miami miami is my favorite i'm gonna say i'm not trying to compare to nobody, but my favorite that I can play all the way through is Porter Miami for sure. Fuck with the album too. My favorite album is Dipset more than music. Volume one or two?

Two. My nigga. Okay. That's my favorite album. It ain't the best. It's one of my favorites. I love the album. Okay. What about you me um

i would have to say uh black album or i mean there's a there's a few different drake albums that i thought were really amazing where i can just picture times in my life. I was like, wow, that, that shit was amazing. I like, I like nothing was the same. I thought take care was an amazing album. I thought, um, so far gone for sure.

Was an amazing album. I thought if you're reading, this is too late. There's so many like really, really dope Drake albums that really had me in my feelings. I can like go back to particular memories in my life that I could relate to a Drake album. So yeah,

I'm really surprised you didn't say DS2. Me too. I thought you were going to say Future. I'm more, I'm more of like Future mixed type. DS2 is in my top five. That one was hard. Yeah. DS2 is in my top five. That one was hard. Yeah, DS2 is in my top five, but I like-

So mad I ain't know about that. Rapping, rapping. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to take Port of Miami. Like Ross was talking that shit. Because we could have put Jeezy up there too. Ooh, Thug Motivation. Yeah.

Matter of fact. Thug Motivation. Thug Motivation. I was trying to stay on the rim with y'all. Y'all be judging my shit, so I'm trying. I'm 100% in on Thug Motivation. Yeah, so that's why, you know, shit is different. Because if it wasn't that kind of, I was about to say Savage Life 2.

It's different tears. Wow, Savage Life 2 is it? Yeah, it's different tears and shit. Okay, so one more question. I know this ain't my show. One more question, though. Okay, so if there's a song, if a song came out today, right, and it had a J-verse, J, Rick Ross, Wayne, 2 Chainz, Drake.

That's a long-ass song. That motherfucker's a long ass song that motherfucker a gospel song Drake Drake and and Kanye who got the best song who got the best verse on the song

out of Jay Wayne it's probably gonna be Wayne I don't know they just did a song with Ross Wayne and Jay and Jay murdered him he had a longer time

yeah but it was just, it was crazy. And he got the song last. That's a cheat code. I'm going to go with Jay. If everybody in the studio at the same time would get the pen

at the same time. You going with Wayne? I'm going to go with Wayne. Because niggas write rap, and I don't want to deteriorate from the question. I'm just saying, niggas write their verse

depending on the order when they get it. So if I say, Ross, I need you on this, Ross, you on the verse. Yeah. I send it to Jay was saying Ross, I need you on this, Ross do it first. I send it to Jay, Jay be like, ah, bitch, you thought you had one. I'm about to fuck you up.

I had some shit, but nah, we scrapping that. You know what? This is a competitive sport. I was going to say, wait until you said Rick Ross was on the song, and I got to go Jay. Cause anytime Jay and Rick Ross is together, that nigga loses his mind.

Yeah. Okay. Jay go crazy. Jay and Rick Ross features are inside. That's a great question. That is a great question, though. Who you rolling with, though? I don't know why you said 2 Chainz. Who I think got the best verse?

I love 2 Chainz, but on that. Yo, 2 Chainz. The reason why I said 2 Chainz, though, is because 2 Chainz, I feel like he got like. Yeah, fire feature. Yeah, he do. For sure. He do.

And when he get on a, if he get on a song with all these rappers, all these legends, I feel like he going to come correct. He like, you know, he not going to bullshit. So he definitely going to have some bars on there that make you be like, woo. Like that's what I care about. Pretty girl's love trap music is in my top 10. Yeah. 2 Chainz, like I feel like 2 Chainz, like he a little bit slept on because... He is, but he just, that's what I'm saying. That's why when y'all was asking my favorite, I was trying to go off y'all rim, but he ain't up there when you say, and it's no disrespect to him.

Okay. It's just different levels. I feel it. Two Janes don't. I feel it. Because Jay is the storyteller and the poet. Yeah, I get it. I'm surprised you didn't put Cole in that.

Ooh, Cole. Yeah. Okay. You could replace Cole with two Janes. With Cole. Okay. You could replace Cole with two chains. Okay. So even with Cole in there in place of two chains, y'all going to say Cole? I am.

My answer to that is. I ain't going to lie. Cole might win that. You look like Cole actually now that I'm. Which one? Okay. Call him J. Cole. Let's be sure.

Did anybody ever tell you that? All right. Cole and Martin Scranton. All right. I knew J. Cole from Martin. Did anyone ever tell you that? Oh, Cole from the Fizz Flow? Oh, it's brother. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad.

My bad. Wait, Cole was the dark-skinned one, yeah? No, that nigga had the hat. Big Shirley. Nah, Jay Cole, he'd go crazy on that. Yeah, he would. Cole would go crazy. I think Kendrick would go crazy.

Yeah. No, not now. He would. If it was 2015, I would feel differently now. Look at Mad City, Kendrick might win it. No, definitely. That was a, yeah. He don't rap no more. He might win it.

But I think on a verse with all those guys, I think Kanye going to try to show out though too. He would. I felt like Kanye would be my favorite verse, even if it wasn't like the best. I think Kanye going to say like the most out of pocket shit that like, whoa, like how you think to say that? Because that's what he do. I mean, shout out to Saha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saha kill all of them if he got on there. That's what he do. I mean, shout out to Saha. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Saha kill all of them if he got on there. That's the Kanye part. It's going to be Kanye's part. What new music you got coming out, man? I heard you're getting ready to get back into it. I'm excited. I just put out a single. It's called Hit You Right

Back featuring Tone Stith. I'm excited about that joint. I'm probably going to put out a couple actually remixes to that. Are you toxic? Oh, now you like the remix. Am I toxic? Yeah. To an extent.

SES. He toxic too. Yeah. I'm not going to be up here and be like, I'm not toxic I'm I'm probably like a level I love levels this is this I don't know it really just out of 10 I'm definitely not a 10 like I've met 10s damn you 8.5 huh 8.5 no I'm not at 8.5 I think I think I'm like an adjustable six. Adjustable six is great. So you're right over five. I have self-awareness. I have self-awareness, but sometimes I choose the toxicity because-

So that makes you an eight by default. It'd be more like fun a little bit and also like- See, you dangerous one. See, you dangerous. Yeah, see, to you I mean- When it's fun to you, it's dangerous. You like me. Do you spend the block?

Do I spin the block, like, on exes? Yes. Oh, she dangerous. Well, listen. Listen. This is your interview, T. You went back. This is your interview. I've never spun the block on an ex that I like didn't talk to for months at a time.

I've spun, you know, I'd be having a little like. She did. I have like my like off and on situation. But, you know, we still be like talking the whole way through. So that don't really count because, you know. It counts. I don't spin the block. I'm not about to go date somebody

that I used to date like back in the day. No, I don't do that. There's too many people out here in the world for that. All right, so you,

something that you might have, you know what I mean, you dig, you might hit her or him or whatever back. Like, what you doing? Nope.

You'll just never hear from me ever again. I think that's. See, she talks and you dark. That is dark, but you know, that's what Damn, see, she toxic. You dark. That is dark. But, you know, that's what happens. Like, I don't like to be, like,

I don't like to be, like, disrespected or fucked with. And so I feel like that'd be my, that'd be my thing. Like, goodbye forever. Yeah. You ain't never had, like, a cool breakup? See, you shut the door on my face.

A cool breakup? Like, you just... Nah. You ain't never had, like on my cool breakup like you just never had like a cool break like I just didn't work out for us I think it's so cool when people do that it seems so mature like oh yeah we just switched up the rings I think that's nice

it seems so mature it's funny it does but like no I'll be like fuck you go to hell yes toxic but I also haven't had a it does but like no i'll be like fuck you go to hell yes yep toxic yeah no i'll fuck with it but i also haven't had a ton of relationships i haven't really had that many relationships like i've had you know dealt with people but as far as like real relationships i've only had like and really i only count like college don't even count so really I only have one real relationship after

college do you prefer to be so that adjustable scale do I prefer to be single and just and move it around not saying you got no I like love and I like to be like with one person I like love you know but it's just like it's interesting like just dealing with somebody else because somebody else has a whole different experience people behave based off of their their perception is how they grew up how they've experienced the world and so i just think it's so interesting to like then try to conjoin lives with somebody like that because Cause I don't know. It's just, it's a little bit weird,

but, um, all right. I got a question. What? You got a type. Do I have a type? She right.

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You ain't rich. You ain't rich. You ain't rich. You ain't rich. You ain't rich. no I'm asking her I'll get on your ass next pause but go ahead like what's your if you got a type or no my type is um you know what's interesting I like what she does that yeah I think as you get older because it used to be like your type you know they had to be cute nice body blah blah blah and then you get older and you'd be like are you a vibe i need you to have self-awareness i need you to have

emotional intelligence i need you to have money yeah like i like that type and still be cute awareness yes uh self-awareness obviously i want to be attracted to you. Right. Respectful to an extent. So what if a motherfucker had all that but they was a booger? A what? A booger. What is a booger? A motherfucker who you're not attracted to physically.

They a vibe though T. They a vibe. You can't be a vibe and be ugly. Don't listen to me. That's dangerous. See he's toxic. Ah. Oh's dangerous. See, he's toxic. Um, ah. Oh, she's. See. See.

Drop that cup back on the table. That's the best spell on the show, perfect. No, no, no, that's you. Because you know what? Because you know what? In the long term, like, I feel like you do have to be attracted to someone. Factual. And that matters to me.

It matters to me to be attracted to someone but like i said it also matters like for you to have some emotional intelligence and self-awareness like you can't just be cute like it's that's not cutting it no more yeah we're too old yeah you can't just be cute like you gotta have be cute with some money or cute with some emotional intelligence or preferably like the emotional intelligence and respect part and then if you're cute along with that i love that but um if you just a booger like ugly i just watched a tiktok the other day of this lady trying to convince people that it's okay if they ugly because they this this and this but i just I don't believe in that because I really need to be attracted to you

because I like you know intimate things and I just like you know so you can't get intimate with a motherfucking

ugly motherfucker I mean you got a couple boogers on your jacket have you been intimate well all I feel like all guys get intimate with people

that they not attracted to whoa whoa no that's my episode on club 520 it's not keep it going Have you been intimate? Well, I feel like all guys get intimate with people that they're not attracted to. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's facts. Episode of Club 520. It's facts. No, keep it going. That's facts.

Like, that's facts about guys. I've definitely slammed a couple boogers. Yeah, exactly. Like, guys can, you guys can do that. He out of party. You done hit a couple. Man, I ain't got no boogers. I can say that I've never, like, I don't think I've ever messed with somebody that I was not, like,

sexually attracted to. No. That's fair. That's true. I don't know the lineage, so I can't, you know. My buddy over there, yeah.

Never. He threw some shit off the backboard, threw the legs. Never. First 360. Any woman I ever been intimate with,

I was fairly attracted to him. Okay. What about you? Wes, let me lose some. No cap. Just playing to win the game. Niggas would kill me. Niggas don't hit all

T's. No, any nigga say he hitting up I'm hitting up a bad. We don't know what T done. All you gotta do is go to the first B. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. Don't do that.

No, I'm very picky. Shout out to the picky. No, for sure. I'm very picky. What's the most important thing that you look for into when you're dealing with somebody, though? What's number one, like, on that? You remember when 21 Savage said, and that's crazy that I'm doing a 21 Savage quote. Yeah, he's got a British voice.

Right, because he's British. You remember when he said he'd rather respect than love? Yeah. I realize that. I think just what's attractive is someone who's like very that someone who's respects you i'm not talking about like respectful because anybody can be respectful like when they want to be but i'm talking about someone who actually respects you as a person um i think that's attractive and um i also think that uh like i said I think self-awareness is attractive.

And I think when you're self-aware and you have your own money. I like how you keep throwing that money out there. Because you act like me. Sick of these broke motherfuckers. I'm just saying, yeah. She made sure she mentioned that in every voice. Yeah, because, yeah, I mean, you got to have, you know, you got to have something going on. I got a question before we get out of here.

Have you ever wrote any diss songs or any songs about somebody in the past that, like, end up being, like, a crazy song for you or, like, a really big song for you? Uh-oh. I'm trying to think. I think I always draw from my personal life when I write with people. So, diss songs that got really big. No, I don't think so. I think I just write from my personal experiences.

I think my songs usually come from like, I don't know. My songs be sounding kind of toxic a little bit. I realized. I figured it out. Yeah. Hit you right back. Yeah. They be seven and a half. Yeah.

They be, I don't know. Seven and a half is that's high. I would say six. I would say a six. Let's move six and a half. Movable six. Okay. That's for the camera.

But sometimes it's, sometimes I'm very, a three, very much a three and I'm not dealing with this toxic, you know how women be doing.

Women be like, I'm not dealing with this toxic shit, but they be toxic. Why are they saying that? They waiting for their moment. For sure. Yeah.

You know, the lacking accountability phase. I be guilty of that sometimes. Oh, don't get DJ started. On the lack of accountability. he says everyone has no sense of accountability especially black women

I didn't say any of those things that's his camera listen some people will call me a pick Misha for this but I do think that there's like a reasoning for that like why women sometimes may lack accountability because like the way society treats you as a woman versus a man, like, you know kind of take a, like a victim mentality a little bit. And I think when it's female energy and male energy,

the female energy tends to like, you know, when a female cries, it's like she automatically becomes the victim. I think. I'm not. I think, listen, I'm not a pygmy guys i'm not a pygmy i'm not a pygmy but

i'm just honest and i just feel like sometimes women uh they may lack lack accountability because they have this softer more vulnerable side up against a man and so it's easier to not take accountability for whatever part you contributed to the problem DJ you just made his day I'm not gonna fist bump you you have to

I told you how you feel because I don't want to seem like I'm on the side you're on the side of right I think men be full of shit too I think men be full of shit too. I think men be full of shit in a way. And with the 520 podcast, men are full of shit. Yeah, no, I didn't say they're, I think men be full of, I think that's like the disconnect between men and women.

I just feel like, you know, women can't always take the victim role in, oh, you did this, you did this to me. And like, you're the like, you know, stronger, more dominant person. So therefore this, you know, stronger, more dominant person. So therefore this, you know, sometimes. Yeah. Niggas be wilding too. Yeah, exactly. I think.

Yes, exactly. We acknowledge that we be on bullshit. Exactly. But sometimes I think it's harder for women to, you know. Love that. I'm accountable though. Okay. I respect.

I respect it. Talks again accountable. Yeah. That'm accountable, though. Okay. I respect it. Toxic and accountable. Yeah. That's the next single. Yeah, toxic and accountable. You got to write that song. Toxic but accountable. Yeah, that's a hit right there. I actually like that concept a little bit.

I'm going to be you featuring Summer Walker. Oh. Ooh. That's a vibe. You know what? T. You got to get some credit. T.

And Lil Meek showing his jeans off now I see you what that being said and on that note we're gonna get the fuck up out of here T.T. appreciate you

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