Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Tony Allen looks back at 2008 NBA Finals with Celtics & Lakers, COOKING Kevin Durant

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 36 of Club 520, and Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Tony Allen where he talks about playing and winning an NBA title with the Boston Celtics, as well as cooking Kevin Durant. Tony Allen tells a story of NCAA tournament loss to Will Bynum and Georgia Tech, journey of going from dropping out of high school to the NBA, and Jeff’s story of TA cooking Josh Smith when the Grizzlies played the Hawks. Timeline 0:00 - Start 2:00 - The real "TA" 12:30 - Jeff's hilarious TA story 23:00 - Final Four vs Bynum 33:00 - Celtics era 56:00 - Cooking KD #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We starting off with a special guest, man. Special, special guest in the building. Big Lange was my man's last, but to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Henn out the prayer leaves. How you doing, Nasty? What's happening, Nasty? Let's get to it.

I'm excited for this one. For shouting the T-A-K. It's my guy. Listen, you see how B-Hack, when he out of town, man, he ain't in uniform at all. You know, just a vacation clothes, man. I promise you, he's sharp, man.

You spiffy today, man. My dog. What size is him? He's, I think, a 12. All right, I owe you something, bro. And then this is my laces, bro. Okay. I'm going to grab you a pair

before we get out of here. I just run a little behind today. I got some black forces on the way. So you about to put him on some black forces with the white laces. The grandfather. Yeah. It's very shitty. It's very shitty.

It's very shitty. It's very shitty. I just didn't get your shoe size before we left the city. So I got you nasty. Dig that. Yeah. For sure. To my right,

we got my dog, young Nacho, young Teague. How you work? Man, I finally touched down in the bay. so I'm hyped to be here. I'm glad to be here. All-star.

And we got a special guest, the real grandfather. I'm going to let you do the great. The real T.A. You know what's up with this. I had my soul watching. I said, man, hold on, what's the description? What did you do, Stan? What did you do, man?

Nah, he told me we was in Chicago. The only T.A. got in. Not the real one, the only T.A. I said, that's the only one I had. Well, DJ do that. Well, DJ do that. Nah, he told me when we was in Chicago, the only TA got there. Not the real one, the only TA. I said, that's the only one I knew. You know, respect. You ain't got to look down, just look around, man.

For real. For sure, man. 14-year vet, ABA champ, one of the best defenders of all time, man. Part of Out the Mud podcast. If you ain't tapped in,

tap in him, the dog Z-Bot, hoping to down for sure. The one and only, man, Tony Allen, big dog. Appreciate you sliding on us, baby. Much love, bro. Love, man, love. Oh, man. You, homing it down for sure. The one and only, man, Tony Allen. Big dog, appreciate you sliding on this, baby. Love, man, love. You know what time it is, man.

Midwest podcast in the building, man. For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. What's been going on with y'all, man? I like what y'all doing, man. I appreciate y'all having me. Nah, we glad to have you, bro. But we gotta talk about this real T.A.

Yes, sir. Now, the nastiest out to Tecumseh. And you know, big shout out to him, man. But I ain't gonna lie, man. My body. Yes, sir. Now, the nastiest out to Tecumseh. And you know, it's a big shout out to him, man, but I ain't going to lie, man. My body at work, man. What I do, man,

I ain't going to lie. It ain't even that feel, man. Ain't no black and white. It's just straight up and down. You feel me? For sure. You T.A., man. So when y'all was talking about it,

I'm like, hold on. They ain't going to throw first team on that? They ain't going to... Three-time first team. No, three-time. They ain't going to separate that on that. They ain't gonna separate that. I had to show some respect. I said, well, hold on. I usually let y'all get y'all shit off, but I only know one, and that's the guy

for sure, man. So T.A. know how this podcast work. Anytime somebody falls off, we know he's gonna piss somebody else off. We didn't even know you were watching. Bruh, y'all are being watched, bro. All my homies be telling me, bro, you gotta get on the 520, man. You gotta. I say, bro, I'm gonna you. Trust me. Bro, y'all are being watched, bro. All my homies be telling me, bro, you got to get on the 520, man. You got to. I say, bro, I'm going to get on.

Relax. But I'm watching y'all straight up, bro. It's long overdue, man. I'm here. I want to get back to the beginning, man. How you end up at Crane, man? Well, first, you know, we know you from Chicago. Yes, sir.

How you land at Crane? Man, wild story, man. Before I even got to Crane, man, I had dropped out of high school, man. I had. What grade? Shit, freshman year. Oh, as soon as you started. Well, not really when I started.

Once the grades came out, and I found that I couldn't play no high school basketball if you didn't have that GPA or your grades. Yeah, yeah. It was like, man, I'm going to a school where shit. It was like a fashion show down there. I went to Julian at first. Y'all familiar with Sean Dockery? Yeah. I went to his school before he got there.

He was averaging 50 out there. Yeah, yeah. He was doing his thing. But when I was there, shit, I was like, man, hold on. I need to keep these F-4s fresh. I need to, you know what I'm saying? So the only way I could do that, if I gamble. So I gamble in the,

you know, the PE classes, lunch classes. By the time I look up, shit, the school day over with. So I wasn't even really going to school.

And then, you know, that led to another thing, you know, being outside. And when you're outside, you know, what come with that.

So by the time I looked up, bro, I don't know, man, I saw my life flash before me because I was outside, bro. I was hustling. I ain't going to hold you.

Yeah. And a couple bullets went past my head and, you know, that was my turning point saying, you know what, man? This ain't for me, bro. I'm 6'5", 6'4", and doing all this.

Like, this ain't me. And till this day, I don't even speak to my cousin because of the type of time he had me on. Yeah. He got me out here doing this shit. I'm a whole pro out here. You feel me?

And then, that specific day, we got a program called the IIT. I don't know if y'all are familiar with it. Yep, I do. And one day,

that day specifically when it happened, I got in a jet-livery cab. Boom. Shot past. I'm looking to the writers. I said, damn, what are all these

cars being out here? They got Bentleys, Benzes, Range Rovers. I'm like, where writers. I said, damn, what are all these cars being out here? You know, they got Bentleys, Benzes, Range Rovers. I'm like, where the hell was all these people going? Talking about just leaving the block, shoot right to the thing. I'm thinking I got to pay. It's free to get in. I'm like, why are so many people here?

And then I ran into my boy, Jason Strait. Y'all probably don't know. He played at Wyoming. But I'm asking him, fool, like, man, what you doing up here? He's like, we finna play. You still hooping? I'm like, hell yeah. He's like, what you hooping? I was embarrassed. I'm like, bro, what you doing up here? He's like, we finna play. You still hoop? I'm like, yeah. He's like, what you hooping? I was embarrassed. I'm like, bro, I dropped out.

I don't play, bro. He's like, come on, hoop, I hoop. In that game, we played Sean Marion. Sean Marion was, you know, he was doing his thing. And shit, I ended up having, like, 18 points. But I was still wondering, like, why all these people are here? The next game was Antoine Walker and Will Bynum.

Y'all know Will the Thrill? Yeah. So listen, they in the stands watching me play. And so when I leave up at the game, you know, you got to go downstairs in the locker room. Go downstairs in the locker room. Will like, man, bro, I need you. I'm like, what you mean

you need me? He's like, bro, you can hoop, bro. I'm like, what are you hooping at? I'm like, man, bro, like, I need you. Like, I'm like, what you mean you need me? He's like, bro, you can hoop, bro. I'm like, what are you hooping at? I'm like, bro, I dropped out. And so the head coach, Anthony Longstreet, shout out Anthony Longstreet, who coached me at Crane, he was all arrogant. You know, Will Bynum is mad. You know, so he just, you know, yeah, how your grades? You know, just, okay, yeah, like, just tough on me for no reason.

And so Will was like, man, skip all that, bro. I can, just, okay, yeah. Like, just tough on me for no reason. Yeah. And so Will was like, man, skip all that, bro. I can get you in school, bro. I just took the blue division. When you in the blue division in Chicago, that mean that's the weakest division. You're going to play all the bullshit team. But when you in the red division, that's all the big time school.

Oh, okay. So you got to win the blue division to get in the red division. So the top team in the blue division moves up. The bottom team in the red division drops down. Yeah, yeah, okay. So you got to win the blue division to get in the red division. So the top team in the blue division moves up. The bottom team in the red division drops down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so he was explaining that process to me. And I get you in school.

So boom. Imagine, my mama done already put me out. Like, if you ain't going to school, ain't no living in here. Yeah, shut up. So it got to the point where I'm finna go back to school. Real, just say get me in school. Imagine, I don't even know what crane at. Okay.

I don't even know what crane, never heard of crane. And so when I went back to my, where I lived at, on 95th Prison Park, shout out Prison Park, Lone Homes, to be exact. When I went back, bro, all the guys like, bro, where you been at? This, that, and the other. And I go to my mama crib. There's nobody in there. Like, the furniture gone.

Like, the dojo's open. Like, damn, what the hell? Where my mama go? Like, bro, your mama moved out about like a month ago. Damn. Damn. And I'm like, so then, boom. Went back, got in the cab, went to my grandmama's house.

Got to my grandma's house. I said, grandma, where my mama live at? She was like, well, baby, she said she moved. You outside doing what you ain't supposed to be doing. She don't want you around no kids. And this, that, and the other. You trying to be grown, be grown. I said, grandma, I'm finna go back to school.

She said, well, baby, your mama live 2150 West Randolph. Grandma. Grandma Gaines. Grandma Hilda, man. She say, yeah, she moved on the west side. And this was God because when I looked up and I called my mama, I'm like, mama, I want to come. I want to come back home. And she, you know, she laid a law down.

You're going to go to school, get a job, da, da, da, this, that, and the other. When I told her I'm going to school, she really didn't believe it. And so when I got there, she's like, what a school. I'm like, it's called Crane.

She's still like, she's like, what, Crane? Down the street. Because that's what happened when she moved to the West Side. It's a five block radius. I said, damn.

Meant to be. I said, yeah, meant to be. But shout out to Will Bynum because he's the one that, you know what I'm saying, put that play together and that's how I got there. Oh, okay. That's crazy, damn. Meant to be. I said, yeah, meant to be. But shout out to Will Bynum because he the one that, you know what I'm saying, put that play together, and that's how I got there. Oh, okay. That's crazy, man.

You got a wild-ass story. Like, I didn't know that. Did y'all win the chip? No, we ain't win no chip. I ain't going to lie. Look at that blue. Y'all never made this red. Hell no.

Hell no. I ain't going to lie. It's a team called Western House. And they had these cats names, the Bailey Brothers. They had Martell Bailey, David Bailey, and Cedric Banks. Those guys was like, they was winning. I don't think they lost the game. Damn.

I don't think they lost the game. But it was like, damn, we couldn't get past them. So if I go look at Chicago Preps, you going to be on there? No, that shit came came soon as I graduated. Oh, okay. I used to watch preps. I used to be like,

damn. Preps was big. That was the first reality TV. Yeah. That was lit. I was like, damn. So you had EC.

Yeah. Uh, shit. Doc. Doc was on there. Jason Strait was on there too. Yep. Yep.

Uh, Eddie Curry. All them cats was just, it was big I ain't gonna lie Whoever put that together That was dope That was dope

I used to watch that shit Religiously Who the best high school player To come out of Chicago to you Just your opinion Outside of the road But he'm on the spot

Nah just high school Just high school Yeah let's just do high school Man we got a lot of cats But if I'ma get somebody Some love If I'ma get somebody Some love I'ma go High school, though. Just high school. Yeah, let's just do high school. Man, we got a lot of cats. But if I'm going to get somebody some love, if I'm going to get somebody some love, I'm going to go Amari Sawyer.

He had a Puma commercial. In high school? In high school. What's his name again? Amari Sawyer. Do your Googles. He went to DePaul. I'm talking, I ain't going to lie.

Man, when I saw him with that commercial, I ain't going to lie. I was like, damn, commercial, I ain't going to lie. I was like, damn, I got to step my game up. I'm talking about he went to King High School. He played with Leon Smith. He was nice. I'm talking about crossover, talking about no-look passes. I'm talking about throwing lobs.

Then he'll give you 30. Small guard? He's like 6'1", 6'1". He's decent. We'll have Luis step in. We got a lot of them, though, bro. We got a... You had Michael Herman. He went to King.

Got Cedric Banks. He went to Western House, the team I was telling y'all about. What about old boy that played with in Brian class? Went with Monica. Shannon Brown. Shannon Brown. We got a lot of hoos. I always

get on Z-Bo's head. I was like, man, y'all right behind us. Hold on. We got a lot of them, bro. Y'all right behind us. Corey Maggette, Quinn Richardson. We got a lot of them, bro. Y'all right behind us. Corey McGatty, Quinn Richardson. We taking in Eagle Dollar.

Y'all taking Eagle Dollar? I'll take Eagle Dollar. Come on now. Y'all can't do that. Come on now. Y'all got ET too, though. Me, Evan Turner.

I got Evan Turner, Mon Shepard. Yeah. Come on now. We loaded. I got some. I got to get my OGs in love.

Juwan Howard, Mike Finley, Antoine Walker. Antoine Walker. You know who underrated, even though he didn't get the pros? Bobby Simmons. Come on. John Shire. John Shire from Chicago.

Got buckets. He killed it. John Shire's from Chicago. Crazy. Against quality comp. For sure. He killed it. Let's not forget that.

I don't think too many people notice our style of basketball. Because one thing about our basketball, bro, we're going to clear it out. Yeah, y'all going to. We're getting our pro-am cleared out. Most definitely. Y'all one-on-one. Hold on, one thing too, though. I'm going to get in that defensive stance like I ain't going.

Send that motherfucker somewhere else. You feel me? Like, we fucked up. You feel me? And so that're fucked up. You feel me? And so that's how, that's how that is, man. And I ain't gonna lie, bro. I get that,

that type of energy when I played in the league because it was like, bro, y'all steady running four, five plays and try to single me out, bro. This ain't the, this ain't the lick.

Y'all better move somewhere else with that shit. For real. I got a story. We tried to run. You probably don't remember. New customers bet $5 to get $150 in bonus bets instantly. Take us to the record DraftKings Sportsbook where every point counts. Download our app today. Use code CLUB520.

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And you came and you had if y'all know T.A., I used to be like, this nigga dirty. This nigga had powder all on his shorts. Everything. I'm like, damn, man, that nigga gonna give a fuck. I play with Joe and them.

They do it all they hear before the game when T.A. come out. He get the powder, smack it on his legs. I'm like, look at this nigga's uniform. So, we tried to run this out-of-bounds, this out-of-timeout play. He stole the ball four times in a row from Smooth.

Like, he tried to make a pass. He stole it. He tried to do something else. He stole it. And he stole it a third time. And they called a timeout. LD called a timeout. He was like, Smooth was like, no, run that shit, man. We got it. We gonna run this motherfucker. He stole it the fourth time. I was like,

that bitch rolling. And he was running around like this. And I'm like, this nigga cold on D. He just running around holding his finger. I'm like,

and I'm just on the bench, bro. I ain't playing at this time. I'm on the bench rolling. That is crazy, bro. I'm like, keep the ball away from that nigga, man. Smooth was like, no, man, no. That nigga ain't cutting right, rolling. That is crazy, bro. I'm like, keep the ball away from that nigga, man. Smooth like,

no, man, no. Them niggas ain't cutting right, nigga. Them niggas ain't cutting right. That's crazy. I was running. I ain't gonna lie, man. Hey, one thing about

I always played Atlanta, I always feel like, shit, I'm gonna play there. I ain't gonna lie, I worked out for them. Oh, for real? When my pre-draft workout, and I'm talking about

I killed, bro. I'm talking about I killed. It was me, the real right, and Trevor workout. And I'm talking about I killed, bro. I'm talking about I killed. It was me, the real right, and Trevor Reese. And I think, what's his name? Donta Smith.

Yeah, he got drafted. They picked Donta Smith. They were telling me, they were talking to me like they was going to move up in the draft and get me and this all up. I'm like, damn.

And then they ain't drafting. They ain't do what they said they was going to do. So shit. It was probably better you went to Boston. Yeah, true that. True that.

True that. Did you go on to Atlanta in 2000, what, five? Oh, four. Oh, four. Oh, four. Me out here. Oh, yeah. Me to the outside.

BMTA on the way. That's right. Yeah, that's a... That's right. I came out. I came out. I came out in 2009. And it still was poppin' outside. Yeah, bro. Oh, four. Woo. For sure. Yeah came in 09, and it still was popping outside.

Yeah, bro. In 04. For sure. Yeah. For sure, man. We got to get to the college days. Obviously, we know you went to Juco, but you linked up with one of the 520 alumni, baby. J. Luke, man.

For sure, J. Luke. That's my boy, man. I ain't going to lie, man. And the crazy part of how he got there, man, Will Bynum was supposed to come. Will Bynum had just transferred from Arizona. To go to Tech, right? To go to Tech. But listen, he told my whole coaching staff,

hey, I'm on my way. I'm leaving Arizona. I'm through with this. I'm on my way. Yeah. So we waiting. We waiting. Bro, the coach is calling me all night.

Hey, where your boy at? Did he detour somewhere else? Where you going? Went to Atlanta. Man, we wake up, man. We here. Will Bynum has committed to Georgia Tech. Boom. I'm like, damn.

So I'm calling him. He ain't answering. I'm like, all right. Then all of a sudden, John Lucas fell in our hand through the technical difficulties, the technicality that he was going through with the Baylor situation. I'm pretty sure he told y'all about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was real unfortunate, man. I ain't gonna lie.

But, fortunate for us, you know, he came and was a big key to our success, man, and what we did there at Oklahoma State, man. I'm talking about, every time, right, every time, right, J. Luke be like, bro, we pros. We pros. We gotta act like pros. So, once he was

telling me that, I'm like, bro, Lee, I'm like, you right. We do gotta work hard. We gotta work hard pros. So once he was telling me that, I'm like, bro, Lee, I'm like, you're right. We do got to work hard. We got to work hard. So once he told me that I would go to the gym at night, I'd catch him in the gym. Boom. He'd come to the gym at night. I'd try to get there before him.

So now it's like, who going to leave first? It be times where I'm talking about the man so clever, he'd act like he done. And then right when I go in and I'm done he go right back out so we had that like type of competitive nature is just like we gonna get that work in and all while we play with each other he always influenced me and told me like bro you a pro

he's like I'm gonna get you there he take credit for my success and getting to the pros I don't know why but it sounds like he a big part of it though yeah I mean I mean one thing he did cause I ain't know why but but it sounds like he a big part of it though yeah I mean I mean one thing he did cause I ain't gonna lie

I never did get that motherfucker right I'm a clank I'm the king of clanking that motherfucker but I ain't gonna lie he did put that

battery in my back to say bro you gotta keep coming back in nice shoes and I done seen him get up like two three thousand shots up in one day

yeah that's something you feel what I'm saying and he a doer it's like his body was trained to do that shit and I was like damn how you do this bro I'm gonna come up here and get me 200 shots up in one day. Yeah, that's something. You feel what I'm saying? And he would do it. It's like his body was trained to do that shit. And I was like, damn, how you do this, bro? I'm going to go up here

and get me 200 shots up. I'm getting up out of here, bro. This shit ain't that. Yeah, that's something. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, that's something. And to try to make 200 shit,

that was a lot for me. So you was always defensive-minded, though? No, hell no, man. I used to, man, I was in college. You was in college. I was in college.

I know he had everything he needed. Bro, listen, that NL cross. That NL cross. Bro, listen. That NL Cross. Player of the Year, I respect that. That NL Cross? Yes, sir. That motherfucker was dead.

He ain't lying. That motherfucker ain't lying. Look, look, killer. When I got to Oklahoma State, bro, I ain't going to even laugh. When I got to Oklahoma State, bro, my junior college coach, you know, because I went to Juco. Yeah. I went to Bullock Community, Cali Cans.

Got kicked out of there. Yeah. I was freshman of the year there. Averaging Cali Cans. Got kicked out of there. Yeah. I was freshman of the year there. Averaging 16 points a game. You was acting on foot. Got kicked out. They called me

smoking weed. The acting editor came trying to give me my award. He see smoke coming all out of my room. Man, folk kicked me

out of there so fast. But just through the grace of God, that's how, look how God worked because the National Junior College team that won it that year was missing a two guard.

So the first thing they did was like, oh, y'all kicked him out of school. We could use him. Send him down here to Illinois. Yeah. And boom, I went to Wabash Valley. And then y'all finna know this name right here. I went down there with a cad named Antoine Barber. Yeah, I know him.

It's a bunch of kids from Napa went to Wabash. Yeah. Reese Lynn, Robert Lynn, Greg. They a lot younger than you, though. Yeah, so when I got there, Antoine Barber won National Junior College MVP. Yeah. So when he won MVP, that specific year, he was supposed to leave and go to the league. Because, look, you had three junior college guys that could have went to the league.

Well, actually, two of them actually went. Kedrick Brown and Quintel Woods. He was on that draft board, too. Remember mock draft? Oh, they still got the mock draft. They still got the draft. Oh, yeah. Okay, so the mock draft, he was on that draft board.

He came back to school. So when he came back to school, he got everybody coming to the schools. I'm talking about Michigan State. I'm talking about all the big boy schools. Yeah. And so when he was getting all that notoriety, during that time,

Oklahoma State was recruiting. And so when they was recruiting, you know how at that time they couldn't really talk to you. They couldn't say nothing to you. They would try to get your attention. Yeah.

They tried to do all that old extra and shit. Hell, one time, he was winking at me like, I'm like, Paul's coming. Paul, how'd I? Paul, respect. I'm like, Paul's coming. Paul, Paul, respect the country.

Respect the country. Respect the country. No, shut up and come sit though. Hang on a minute, because that was my man. But you did that. He was wild.

No, for real. So, when he did that, it was like, damn. I'm like, all right,

but he got to be interesting because he trying to get my attention obviously yeah and so whenever when all the smoke cleared Antoine Barber went to Kentucky yeah

so boom about him staying got me that notoriety I believe I always say that and when we used to I used to be playing against him him used to go at it bro

I ain't gonna lie we go at it one on ones five on five we playing five onon-five. It looked like a one-on-one. Because we going at each other. Yeah.

But it made us, like you said, iron sharp and iron. We end up losing in the National Junior College championship, not championship, Final Four. And then once my, like I said, when the smoke clear, I had Creighton, Cincinnati, Arizona State, and Oklahoma State. Yeah. What made you choose Oklahoma State, though, being from Chicago? I think you probably picked Cincinnati, somewhere that's not close.

I didn't want to go to Cincinnati, but you know who they picked, who they signed? Who? Tony Bobby. I know Tony Bobby. He was nice there, too. He was nice. He was nice.

So when they picked up Tony Bobby, I'm like, no, I'm straight. And I didn't want to go on the West Coast. And it was like, Creighton, I'm like, whoever went to the lead for Creighton. You could have won. That would have been tough. Talk about Kyle Corbin. Oh, yeah, shout out to Kyle Corbin. Kyle Corbin.

He was great. Oh, man. That was after Tom, though. Chris Smith. Oh, yeah, cool guy. He never got a bucket on me, but he's a cool guy. Cool guy. That's the guy. Meanwhile. Come on, man. I haven't had the time, though. Chris Smith. Oh, yeah. Cool guy. He never got a bucket on me, but he's a cool guy. Cool guy. That's the guy.

Meanwhile, meanwhile. No, so when I went on a visit, you know we had the legendary coach. That was the only reason. And then they had about like eight ESPN games. And are y'all familiar with Mo Baker? Yeah, I know who that is. I was watching how they was letting him get loose the year before me. So I'm like, damn, that spot open?

So when I got in front of Coach Sutton, I just flat out asked him, like, Coach, if I stand here, am I going to the league? He looked at me and was like, you know, he put his legs up and he was like, well, the coaches say that, you know, you are a great defender. You're very athletic.

I'm like, coach, wait a minute. You ain't never saw me play. What the hell? He dressed in disguise. I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute. That's what assistant coaches are for. He's like, and I didn't know that. I'm like, all right, cool.

He was like, but if you listen to everything I say defensively and, you know, be a star in your role and, you know, do everything I tell you offensively and execute it, I don't see why not. I'm like, Coach, what am I saying? He ain't lie to you, though. No, he ain't lie to me. So, shout out, rest in peace, Edison.

I always give my love, bro. You know, love and respect to him because I asked him and he kept it G. You feel me? For sure, man. And that's the thing you say, okay, State, you know what I'm saying? You're going up playing with a thrill, then you catch him in the Final Four after the hole. He's supposed to be on y'all team.

What's that energy like? Bro, I ain't going to lie. I always say, I always say, I kind of, because I ain't in college. I always say, man, I think I jagged that year. Because listen, we doing our study halls and we have to do our work and we got to be focused.

They got us on curfew. So at this time, on the phones, you could send video messages. So this man sent me a video message. They kicking it. They got the sweet. They got little chicks over it. They got the sweet. They got little chicks over there.

They got Drake, Bobby. Drake, Bobby. That's all they need. I'm like, J. Luke, look at this. J. Luke like,

man, don't do it. Don't do it. I say, bro, fuck this curfew. I'm just going to have a fucking thrill, man. I ain't cracking over there. Bro, I ain't going to lie.

10 o'clock hit, bro. I let them coaches come in and do their check, bro. As soon as they left, I walked right out there behind them. I'm on the elevator going downstairs.

Boom, cab. Yeah, take me across the street, man. Went over across the street, man. We over there, man, drinking Hennessy. We turned. They got the music vibing. I'm talking about

chicks just running all through that I'm like I ain't leave that my hotel till about 4 in the morning man blew me game

at 5 o'clock I'm like damn I'm talking about I ain't sold up till second half I'm talking about man

it blew me by the time I look up man I'm looking it's tag game right here I think I got like 13 points I'm like 4, man, it blew me by the time I look up. Man, I'm looking at this tag game. I think I got like 13 points. I'm like 4-4-11. My last three games, I done had like 22, 24. You know what I'm saying?

I think I had 11 a game before that because I had to lock up Jameel Nelson and Delonte Williams. Yes, sir. Man. So I just knew if we beat them and we got to Ben Gordon, I say this is going to be, all I need to do is get to Ben Gordon.

You league. And I'm not even league, I'm lottery. If I could lock up Ben Gordon and show the world, I'm lottery. And so what ended up happening was, man,

Will Bynum ended up coming off of pick and roll, Hezzo and J-Luke, floating it over Joy Graham. Y'all know Joy Graham? Yes,. Luke floating it over Joy Graham. Yeah. Y'all know Joy Graham? Yes, sir.

Twin. So, Joy Graham. And then right there in that timeout, Brian going to lie. That's why. And Luke, you know I did this, boy. Coach, like, Eddie Sun, like, oh, we going to sub J. Luke. He was trying to go offense, defense. Man, I'm like, hell no.

I'm like, no, J. Luke staying in. We finna get this win. J. Luke going to get this stop. We up, man. We'll burn them shit of cane to Oklahoma State. You feel me? On that type of time, I'm staying up for my homie. Yeah, you from Chicago. We be doing that.

Coach is like, oh. All right, come on, bring it in. We bring it in, man. J. Luke went and fell for that weak-ass shit. I said, oh, hell no, J. Luke. J. Luke smoked the game. I'm talking about Wixie on YouTube. I'm talking about some weak ass shit. Y'all thinking, Joy Graham, this motherfucker doing 360s in the layup line, man.

He put that weak ass float. I said, man, I couldn't do nothing but look back and just hold my head down. But I had sewed it up back then. I'm like, damn, we lost. I'm like, we lost. So then, look, right? We go into the, you know, the coaches come in, they come in all mad and shit. They got their head down.

They walking, they pacing. They don't want to say nothing. Man, one of the coaches busts out. Tony Allen! I'm like, what? I'm looking up, you know, we crying. What the fuck is that? I'm thinking like, damn, I'm crying. I'm hoping they see that.

I feel something. He busts out and said, I know you were out last night. Yeah, we know that. He was like, so when the NBA coaches didn't call for you, we were going to fuck you. Damn. I'm like, what? I start crying again.

I start crying again. I'm like, damn, all I can think of is like, what? I start crying again. I start crying again. I'm like, damn, all I can think of, like, damn, the wheel just finessed me. Because you got to realize when he went and played against Ben Gore, he killed them. He had like 19 in the championship game. But they lost. But I think that was my matchup.

I ain't going to lie. I always tell Ben Gore that when I see him, too. I be like, damn, bro, I been on that matchup. Ben was tough. He was tough, man. A lot of people don't know how hard he was. Nah, he was tough. We know.

Rookie of the year six minutes a year? I caught him in Detroit. One of my first games. I got to play. They ran two chests the whole game. He cooked me. That's his thing. He cooked me.

He cooked me. He cooked me. He probably scored 13 in a row.'s on that pick. He cooked me. He cooked me. He probably scored 13 in a row. I was like, yeah, I ain't ready for two guards. Hey, look, they were calling him Ben Jordan at one point. Ah, for real? Yeah. For sure, man.

That's crazy. Who was the hardest matchup in college for you, though? Man, a lot of people don't know, man. Andre Emmett. Recipe Andre Emmett. Texas Tech. Yeah, we know Texas Tech. Man, it wasn't no stopping him getting 30, bro.

Wasn't no stopping all mid-range. Yeah. Dang, that's crazy. Big boy basket. Nah, he was cold, bro. I'm talking about he putting our five man in the post. Damn. No, for real.

And it was like, damn, every time I face him, it would be like, either I have a good game and then he'll just have a better game or he'll just do something better game or he'll just do something late in the game and just take over. I don't know what was about his game. I'm talking about real unorthodox shot and everything, but he just getting buckets. He know how to get buckets, man. And

if I had to say one more tough matchup, I think his name, Byron Mouton. Yeah, yeah. Texas. Yeah, Texas. Man, he used to be a problem, yeah. Texas. Yeah, Texas. Mouton had buckets. Man, oh, man. He used to be a problem, bro.

He's moving forces. Damn, did he? Yeah. He used to be a problem. High-top force. For sure. Other than that, yeah. Okay.

Did you always have the handle? Because, I mean, when people know you from the league, they know you from playing defense. But I remember you from college. I've been a basketball fan my whole life. And when you got buckets in college, like we talked about, but you always had a handle. Like, people underestimated when you got

in the league. I'm like, that motherfucker could dribble. One of my best friends back home named Phil, you was his guy. So, like, Oklahoma State, you was his guy. I was going for St. Joe's. I was Jameer Nelson. Oh, man. It was my guys. They wore big t-shirts. Hooped and barked and shit.shirts, baby. It was my guys. They wore big t-shirts. Man. Hooped in barking and shit.

They was wrong. That was tough. That was my squad. But we was right on their heels. That whole year, they was one, we was two. Yeah.

My buddy fucked with OK. He fucked with St. Joe's, but OK State, we played Marsh Madness, he getting OK State. Yeah. He like, Tony Allen, go, dog.

And I'm like, and so we got older, and I seen you, you know you was known for defense. I'm like, damn, he can't dri, and I seen you, you know, you was known for defense. I'm like, he can't dribble no more. He used to have, you know, in my head. But I know the league. You know, when you get to the league, they give you a roll and change you.

But no, it's a Chicago thing. And then I played with Will the Thrill. So it was like, man, me and Thrill, people don't know, me and Thrill used to put on jump soles, bro. My senior year of high school, junior and senior year of high school, I walked around with them jump soles, you know them shoes? Yeah, the stretch shoes. You got the East Bay?

Bro, everybody in school used to be like, look at this goofy ass. Hey, shout out to Rodney Carney. On me, he got some stretch shoes. Rodney Carney used to walk around the city in them. Yeah, yeah, and I'm talking about me and Thrill needed stretch shoes. Oh, Lord. And one thing for sure, too,

I need some of them now, dick. Oh, you just trying to get back in it. My brother made me some shrimp shoes. Those are ACL tears, though, bro.

You made some homemade shrimp shoes? My brother put a block of wood under some old gym shoes and put a nail in it because I walk around in that shit.

Oh, yeah, to real. That's why your knees ain't work for them. It ain't because you jump. I didn't know that, nigga. Some homemade shrimp shoes. We could have poured over a fucking gym.. I didn't know that, nigga. We could have poured over. Y'all wasn't that poor, nigga.

Yeah, they wasn't that long. The Home Depot Joyce. They made it with a block of wood. Boy, this nigga got a horror story, boy. Damn. Stop, bro. Damn. Shout out to my brother Terrell.

He got the T, man. T tried, though. It was thought to count. It was thought to count. But no, man. Me and him, we just play one-on-one. And so,

just picking up his attributes, I'm like, like, damn, like, how he do it? Like, because he'll hit you far left, boom. You know what I'm saying? So I couldn't do it like that. So I had to, you know, come into it like that with the in and out. You feel what I'm saying? And it was always left to right. You know what I'm saying?

I couldn't get it really like that going that way. But, oh, man, Chicago, man, you've got to, one of the things we always was taught, man, you've got to be able to handle that ball. You feel what I'm saying? If you can't handle that ball, man, what you going to do on the court? You feel what I'm saying? And it's one of them things, man, I inherited early as a kid.

And I don't know, man, handling that ball, to me, when I got in the league, I couldn't show it simply because it was more like, all right, we need you to be doing 50-50 shit. Like, you need to be getting loose balls, catching it in transition, getting deflections. Like, that's what they fed

to me, you know what I'm saying? And my first year, shit, that's what I had to do, shit, to try to get on the court. So I know you said, you know, Atlanta said they was gonna pick you. You know, we in your draft process right now. How was that first day of practice, or what was was going to pick you. You know, we in your draft process right now. How was that first day of practice? Or what was that draft process like? Oh, man, the draft process was crazy.

I had, I mean, I found out how many teams was in 2004. I worked out with everybody except Toronto. Damn. You feel what I'm saying? And so I felt I was the best in shape. It was some workouts, man. I ain't going to lie, man. Cats would pull out.

They'd see me getting the best of them. They'd be like, stomach hurt. Yeah. Oh, pull a hamstring. You know what I'm saying? And I'd be mad, bro. I'd be like,

I'd tell them, the coaches like, come on, man, y'all got to get some more competitors in here, man. Was y'all doing the full court one-on-one shit? All that. Damn. All that. That shit's terrible. All that. And I'm talking about, man. Was y'all doing the full court one-on-one shit? All that. Damn. All that.

That shit's terrible. And I'm talking about... You did that in 30 cities, nigga? 30 cities. I'm telling you. Look, I was in the best shape, bro. Yeah. That was the best shape of my life, bro. And I ain't gonna lie. It's... The process could be... It could be draining.

But, man, we was trying to get... I was trying to feed my family. You know what I'm saying? So it really, it really didn't matter, man. Well, all I needed

was one team, bro. Yeah. And in that process, that's all you need is one team. That's a fuck. And it's crazy. That one team,

it'll be in the Boston Celtics 25 first round pick. It's crazy because you was there in Boston pre-KG and then post to help KG get to the championship.

How was that just touching down in Boston? I know that's going to do a little bit of a transition moving up Maywalker and stuff post to help KG get to the championship. How was that just touching down in Boston? I know that's going to do a little bit of a transition. Yeah, I was part of that team

that lost 18 games in a row. Yeah, Al Jefferson. Yeah, and I'm talking about that. Yeah,

what was I saying, bro? But hold on, hold on. That's the Hennessy hotel. I'm telling you, but look, we was getting busy though.

I'm talking about, it was so bad, bro. You know we was in a losing culture because when you come in in the locker room and you got the stat sheet right there at halftime, you're trying to see how you doing. Bro, that's a losing mentality, bro. Why is you looking at the stat sheet at halftime? That sounds like us and Bill Soda, the statue That sound like That's a good soda bro That was a good soda And then But I ain't gonna lie

I had like a Cause I tore my ACL My third year And that Man it's one of the Freak accidents One of the things I really regret

In the league is Playing after the whistle And I hate when Players do it today But Don't know no one Falling hurt Get hurt like I did

I don't know how that damn thing happened. But tweak it. Man, I was averaging like, I want to say a good 18, 19 a game. I'm talking about like a 10-game span. Paul Pierce had just got his extension. Then he went to the media and was like, I need some help. La, la, la, la, la. I'm saying to myself, damn, he trying to get some folks up out there.

Most definitely. But it was one day, he trying to get some folks up out there. Most definitely. But it was one day, like he had came to me, he was like, shut it down. He was like, yo, I'm shutting it down. Da, da, da. He was like, you got the juice now. I'm like, word?

I'm like, word? He's like, yeah, you starting today. Get ready. And walked away. Bro, that's all he needed to tell me. I'm telling you, bro, I went on like an 18 game. I mean, an 18 per game, points per game streak, bro. And

specifically that day, bro, I was going up against Stack Jack. You know, Stack Jack, great defender, OG at the time. You know what I'm saying? Looking at the score, I'm like, damn, we playing Indiana. I got like 19 with like six minutes, seven minutes left in the third. I'm saying to myself,

I might get 40 today. Of course, of course. I'm like, I might get 40. And so I was feeling good. I blew past him. He fouled me.

You know, the whistle blow. And then it's right around the time. Remember Brian, Brian came in the league, making this look sexy. So I tried to do one a little bit and didn't quite get up there, man. Felt dead on my shit, man.

That shit popped so loud. Out here, it's just like, yo. I'm like, oh, I'm coming out, I'm coming out. And she was hurting so bad. Then Steven Jackson like, what is you doing, bro? Why would you do that, bro? Why would you do that? And boom.

All I remember was just getting to the back, thinking like, no, ain't nothing wrong with it. Ain't nothing wrong with it. Boom. Just tried to walk on it again, man. I fell out. Boom. Collab. They like, yeah, yo, you told your ACL. I was crying. I was hurt. And from then, you know, it was, it was, it was two things that could happen because I ended up, you know, I had some, I had some troubles, some legal troubles or whatever. And, uh, it was two things that happened, bro. I get my knee right, adapt to my role, do it 110%, and if I don't, try to come back here

and try to be on some clear-out shit. You know what I'm saying? My ass is out the league. And that was the reality of that. So, when I came back, man, we had traded everybody but me and Rondo. You know what I'm saying? That's summer. We got rid of Delonte West,

got rid of Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Al Jefferson, and Wally Zerbiet. Yeah. Everybody was gone. And so, I'm like,

damn, why they keep me? Because they didn't extend me, you know, my third year. No, they could extend you your third year. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. You played through your fourth year, then you did a bad kick in. So, they signed Al Jefferson,. You play through your fourth year, then you do the bad kicking. So they signed Al Jefferson four years, like 70-something. And we got KG like that. We sent Wiley Xerbiak to Seattle.

And we got Ray Adams. And so right then and there, I'm like, damn, hold on. We got three Hall of Famers. What the hell? Where do I fit in at? And Doc Rivers, he had pulled me to the side, brought me in. He was like, you see what happened?

I'm like, what? We traded everybody. We kept you. So in order for you to get on this court and play, you need to be doing everything they not doing because they're scores. They're going to get majority of the shots. You need to be getting loose balls, taking charges,

diving on the floor, getting deflections, playing the passing lane, and shoot when you get low clock. Not wide open, low clock. I'm wide open, 18 on the clock, that ain't a good shot, coach. Hell no. I'll say, okay, cool.

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I ain't going to lie, man. That was the most stressful year. I ain't going to lie. Trying to get back, you know what I'm saying? Get over my, you know, my things I had going on. And just my knee, man. Just I couldn't. I was scared.

I had to wear the brace. I'm talking about the brace looking so bad. I ain't going to lie. I remember one time I had the brace on and Chris Wilcox comes to the picket. His knee hit my brace. He's like, damn! What?

He put it into that thing. Chris Wilcox. His technology wasn't hip then. That's his Stone Cold C. Boston brace, man. Man, that brace was so... I hated that brace. I ain't gonna lie. Chris brace bro that was man that brace I hated that brace I ain't gonna lie Chris Bosh used to wear

that brace that shit used to hurt when he said scream that shit used to hurt for real no for real and I ain't gonna lie I was still trying

to just get back she ain't trying to get my bounce I was timid I was scared but I went through the process man and I was able to start

you know just strengthening my knee and got back. So, big shout out to Brian Dew and Walter Norton. The folks got me back right. I'm strength and conditioning. It took a full year to shake back? It took a full year to shake back?

Ooh, yeah, it took damn near. Because I hurt at the middle of the season. I ain't come back. Yeah, it took about a whole year, about a year. Yeah. I think I came back early. Then it was contract. It was my fourth year.

So it was like, shit, if it was seven months, I had to get back out there. You feel me? Yeah. For sure. And what's crazy is, like you said, contract situation, you going to, you know what I'm saying, that championship year, man. How was that run, man?

What I like about that is the way we came together. We was in Italy. We started in Italy. We started in Italy and Tiggitt, P, Ray, Pose, I mean, Pert, you know, the starting five pretty much, they all went bald. They're like,

we're going to be on the same accord, which formed the bench mob because we was like, all right, two things can happen. We got to be on the same page like them.

That was that message right then and there. And we set forth the title vision right then and there. Like, we go, man, training camp was hard. I'm talking about everybody getting extra shots up. Guys getting there early. Like, we set the foundation right then and there, man. I'm talking about, those were some of the best scrimmages, man,

I've probably been a part of, man. And I don't know. It just felt like, felt like Doc knew what he was doing. You knew y'all was going to win? And did all y'all cut y'all hair off? No, you know, I had to keep my face.

He said, I'll bitch my ass. I didn't want to go over there because a couple of them niggas didn't have no choice. Man, my peanut. I got a peanut, bro. I ain't going to lie. I couldn't have did it, man.

I ain't going to lie. I remember Eddie Howell was like, shit. He's going to keep it away. Shit. That's what Juwan Hart did to Joe Favre. No, man. He going bald.

I don't have to, bro. Come on. Hell no. But I think that right there, man, it just showed that they were sacrificing their thing, man. And they came together, man. And you know who else was like a real voice in sacrificing their thing, man. And they came together, man. And you know who else was like a real voice in the locker room, man,

was James Post. You know, he had that swag of like, you know, I've been there before. Like, we be fucking up. This ain't it, man. This ain't it, brothers. This ain't championship spirit right here. Like, he'll be the first one to check everybody. I'm talking about let Ticket and them know.

This ain't it. He a T.O.P. Nah, that ain't it, bro. Bo's been on the weak side, bro. He a straightened guy. Not in a disrespectful way, but more so like, bro, I've been to the promised land.

What y'all doing ain't it. And so I always took sheets out of his book, bro. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about the guy used to come in there, bro, with a laptop, big-ass laptop. They give him the, um, you know, the edits on who he's sticking.

He'll watch their ISOs. He'll watch their transitions. He'll watch their offensive rebound. He'll watch their catching shoots. And he'll be watching that all the way until then they're like game time. Or not,

until it's time to go get his treatment. Yeah. Because our treatment, we were around some old heads. It was all of us. until then they're like game time. Or not until it's time to go get his treatment. Because our treatment table, we were around some old heads. It was all of us. Listen, I didn't understand what the hell the treatment table was. I'm like, why the hell do these motherfuckers sit on that table so long?

But when I was young, I was learning from those veterans and seeing how they take care of their body, seeing how they prepare. Ray Allen get there three, four hours early, get shots up, he show early. Get shots up. He showered. He in a hot tub, cold tub.

Now he reading a book. I'm like, damn, okay, that's how you get ready. Ticket. He got this heat pack. He's got his feet on the heat pack. He's sitting there just ain't saying nothing to nobody. I'm like, damn, what? He meditating, getting ready to go in there,

do about 50 squats with the dumbbells. I'm like, okay, he getting ready. Then Paul, he was just, he was just, he was just hilarious.

He had come in there, bro. He just, he was like, he look at your shoes. Like what's up? Like he was, he was just too freelance.

You know what I'm saying? So he really didn't want, I really didn't want to take nothing out of his book. I ain't going to lie. I didn't want to take nothing out of his book, bro. I ain't going to lie. Yeah, I didn't want to take nothing out of this book, bro. But I always listened to him

and when he got serious and he was in my ear, I always listened to him. You know what I'm saying? And just taking those guys' professionalism, I think it carried on in my career.

You feel what I'm saying? I used that as like, damn, okay, going running in the pap hat before you go and get to the game, right before the game, that ain't healthy. You know what I'm saying, right before the game, that ain't healthy.

You know what I'm saying? Not getting enough rest, that ain't healthy. You know what I'm saying? All this extra ass shit I was doing before pre-ACL, after ACL, when they got there, I straightened my whole professionalism up. I ain't leaving no one. For sure. I want to ask, how does it feel to see them now in different spaces?

You see KG and P with their show. You see Kendrick, Perkins on ESPN. To know them personally and see how they are, to be the new media. How's that now? Because they all represent the real stuff. Like, y'all one together. You know, they real dudes, especially behind basketball. Yeah, man. And they cut from a cloth, man. They're so separate.

Them guys some real dudes, man. I ain't gonna lie. When we played together, man, we did everything together. You know what I'm saying? KG forcibly made everybody one team, one goal. You see what I'm saying? We're gonna go out together. We're gonna go in together. You know what I'm saying? KG forcibly made everybody one team, one goal. You feel what I'm saying? We're going to go out together. We're going to go in together.

We're going to go win together. You feel what I'm saying? He made that clear as soon as he got in the door. You feel what I'm saying? And then hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey. They loud as hell.

Oh, God. I thought you was about to say it. I was but alright even better yeah calm down I lost my train of thought damn but no no

we in Mitchell and Ness shout out to Mitchell and Ness you know it's love we went there shopping excuse us you don't get old I don't get old I'm talking about.

He was like, hey, turn the shit down. Junior, be cool, Junior. But no, man, I ain't going to lie. Those guys, bro, I ain't going to lie. Those guys, I ain't going to lie, man. You got to understand where they coming from. Because if you look at today's game, they probably might be a little too outright for today's game.

The way they play, how vocal they are, they got the alpha male syndrome. You know what I'm saying? I don't think that's allowed in locker rooms today. And I just look at it like, damn, man. Like I said, they come from a cost that ain't even sold no more down there because they real dudes, man.

And when you hear what they talking about, you actually got to understand what the leagues and the times and the eras that they played in. It was a no bullshit type era. You feel what I'm saying? Ticket played in an era where you could hand check a motherfucker. Now, can you imagine having to hand

check a motherfucker for 94 feet and get away with it? How many stills you have? You can do that? You ain't doing that. How many steals you had? You can do that. What? At least five. At least five.

Off the muscle. If you get five, I mean, you're going to have a few games with 10, seven, nine. You know what I'm saying?

But the errors that they played, I just think you got to respect AG when they talking or giving their opinion. I like the space that Perks in. Perks in a more

corporate type podcast or, you know, whatever, whatever. But he doing his thing, man. Shout out Big Perkz, man. I used to call him Swamp Thing. Boy, I get to sweating that coming out there. I'll be like, God, what is this? That's crazy.

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Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. That was T.A. He was in there to break the T.A. T.A. told him that. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. No, Big Phelps, I ain't going to lie.

He always wanted to be like a guard, man. He used to try to come and get in our drills when we would warm up and stuff like that. He loves shooting jump shots. I ain't going to lie. Big Phelps,

I always had guard mentality. But yeah, them guys, I ain't going to lie. Like I said, I like the space they in. For sure. For sure, man.

Listen, man, y'all got it done, man. Before we get to, you know what I'm saying, the next chapter of your career, we got to talk about that championship, man. It gets to Lakers, man. Damn near built-to-ass situation. On the lowest of keys. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. Y'all hit them back.

You know, we won one and lost one, too. Most definitely. So, the one that we won, I think, you know, I ain't play that much. I ain't finna sit on here. It was all Jane Post. It was Jane Post. Now, y'all bitch mommas doing crazy. Y'all want to vote, right?

Man, listen, I ain't getting the game. If we was up 30 or down 30. Yeah, man. That game six, y'all was playing lobs. Y'all was up 20. But one thing for sure, two for certain, I'm different than you, Jeff. Hey, because,

because listen, listen, when I got my little time, I tried to shine and when we kicked it, I went and kicked it. Ah, hell with it.

Y'all kicked it. We ain't kicked it. Where we going? Vegas? Oh, yeah, come on, Ray.

I'll be on that jet at the center. I'll be right there with you. I ain't get that. I ain't get that. Shout out to Milwaukee. We trying to make it right. Y'all didn't turn up?

Oh, man. I know you went and played some video games. Man, I went back to the crib. Yeah, nah. Hell nah. I was popping champagne, man. I wanted to do all that. I was going to be the craziest one in Vegas.

I was going to have the big, major bottle. I was going to act like I had 30 at night. That's what you was supposed to do. Yeah, I was going to turn it up for him, but nobody wanted to go. But look, I ain't going to lie, though. One thing about our championship, the only thing out there

that was funny to me, bro, you know, you go through, you think it's about to be unlimited bottles of champagne and throwing. Man, I look at the DVD the other day, man, and it got clips

of Ticket pouring Miller's Light on me. Bro, what's wrong on me. Bro, what's wrong with y'all? How y'all run out of motherfucking Moet, man? What's going on, man? Hey, Paul, Paul,

listen to that. What the nigga Paul doing? What I'm just saying. Miller's light is crazy. Y'all Chicago niggas Is out of pocket Nah I had I had a big bottle Of Sankora

Oh lord Yeah I was walking around With the The Jordan boy Y'all got me Yeah the Jordan boy I was walking around with that Ran out of Moet

It's crazy Where'd y'all go out to Did y'all go to the club Yeah nah I think we went over Ticket crib You know Ticket had The big boy match

Yeah Everybody went over They kicked it. That was big. I ain't going to lie. I fuck with the Celtics organization, man. They show love. I ain't going to lie.

Big time organization. I remember you saying something about the food when they get out of the shoot around. They do that at top notch. You know what I'm saying? Go on the road. They got saying? Go on the road. They got brunch. Go on the road.

Food after. I love the way they handled all their business though. Yeah. For sure, man. They did that. It was fire when I played there for my half a year. Cup of coffee. Yeah, my cup of coffee.

It was definitely top notch though. For sure. But losing it, as far as getting to the 2010 one, which I thought we should have won, Kobe shot his worst percentage

of shooting that year. Talk your shit. No, no, for real, I'm just giving you... No, this is packed, though. Talk your shit. You trying to slide it in. You're okay, nigga.

You go... Damn, nigga. You got a piece of lumber, man. Nigga trying to be humble. Nah, you talk your shit like you was in a club. That was you. Amen. We was at D-Rose, right?

This nigga walking up on me. Nah, fuck that Kobe story. This nigga walk up on me. This it is, bro. Nigga, don't nobody know you're here. I mean, this bitch looking good, the motherfucker. Get your big ass away from me. No. No. Everybody shaking my head. Get your big ass away from me, nigga. No, no.

Everybody shaking my head. Shout out to my nigga D-Rose. This nigga walk up to me and talk about him and his nigga. I forgot. Shout out to Holy, too. The little Project. Yeah, shout out to Project. This nigga walk up.

Nigga, don't nobody know you, nigga. Nigga, move. Nigga, I'm fine. This motherfucker get her hanged ass. Drunk ass. You can hear that motherfucker vibing. Like, yeah, you know shit. You know shit.

You want all that old shit. I said, hold on. Let me go straight. You in my city, dude. And I know you on 520 acting up. And you talking about making everybody upset. Getting everybody scared. This motherfucker here.

I was like, that's fucking stupid. I know you need it. Hanged, nigga. Take that, nigga. I'm seeing everybody taking pictures with the nigga and shit. Like, nigga, it's your old ass song, nigga.

Oh, you mad. You mad. That nigga's crazy. But yeah, man. Like I say, that specific year, bro, I honestly, I was taking everything

out of James Posey. And I don't think he get his flowers. Shout out to James Posey. And I don't think he'd get his flowers. Shout out to James Posey. He don't get his flowers, bro. And, man, I was able to just lock in and watch Kobe's jab step, watch his footwork in the post, watch his head fake, head fake, head fake. Because I had, my rookie year, I had fouled out. That's 6,008 minutes.

Damn. So, yeah. Wait, Coach didn't take you were out for three? You said, fuck you. They said you lose all them. Bro, they threw me in the crash. Right, that's what I'm saying. They threw me in the blender.

You know what I'm saying? But it took years and years and years and years and years of studying that man. After Posey left, and that's how I was able to key in on him. I ain't finna fall for that head fake no more. I ain't finna, that jab step you doing, you're going to have to swing through and go all the way. That fade away, I ain't contesting with my left hand. I'm contesting.

That way we fade to the right. Yeah, I ain't contesting with my right hand. I'm contesting with my left hand. You know what I'm saying? I ain't fouling you on your elbow no more. I ain't scared of you no more, dude, pretty much. And that finals, like I say, Doc Rivers, he rolled it with his guys, as he should.

You know what I'm saying? Rightfully so. I'm going to roll with the guys who's been proven, who's been in the league and did it. But if Perk wouldn't have got hurt, bro. I was about to say, if Perk didn't get hurt and could play that last game. Swamp Thing. Swamp Thing wouldn't have got hurt, bro. We'd have won that championship. That's definitely. Then after that, man, you bring the energy. Oh, no, man.

No, I think if KP plays that, bro, he was locking, he was locking them guys up. He was having a hard time. He was, bro, but.

Binding them and Paul, they was having a hard time. Nah, they was. Yeah, I think, I think honestly, they would get that series

if he plays for sure. Yeah, bro, you a hard, you a rushing judge, bro. I fuck with them shoulders,

boys. You know, KC, you know, still check up every time I see you, but I don't know, man.

I just think it was a lighter side. He really wanted to play you. Who in the matchup between him and Tigger, man? They got a lot. Tigger really wanted

to play him, bro. Yeah, that's why nigga got me fucked up. Checked my all day. He was tired. Nah,

Tigger was really mad, bro. He said, I'm going to play with me. Yeah. No, he take it there. I ain't going to.

I was looking at him like I was like that was Bullshit bro We'll take a side bet too No take it no We sure we talked Yeah What's the name

That shit was funny He was like nigga Ain't nobody ever Talked to me like that I don't give a fuck Check ball Wait for that game On DraftKings for sure

I got I'm taking on I'm taking on Now we gotta talk about it man You took You know what I'm taking on today. I'm taking on. I'm going to be in. Now, we got to talk about it, man. You took, you know what I'm saying, took your skills to Memphis, man. Changed the culture, man. Changed the entire culture of that team.

Shout out to John Murray. He got the city rocking right now. But what you did and what that team did for Memphis, man, rejuvenated that city, man. You brought a real different type of energy, man. How was that transition from Boston down to Memphis?

Well, the transition was, man, I ain't going to lie, I signed with them late. It was like mid-August, some shit like that. And I was sitting in the crib thinking like, damn, this might be it.

I was like, I just went through the finals and nobody want me. And then I'm like, damn, okay, it clicked because Chris Wallace, he drafted me in Boston. He was the assistant general manager

in Boston. So when he got there and he saw what I did in the finals, he was like, yo, I need that. Like, called me, told me, like, yo, I need that. He's like, but it's one thing, though. He was like, are you and Z-Bo going to be able to play with each other?

I'm like, what you mean? He was like, you guys are two different affiliations. You know, I just don't want it to be a problem. I got 9.7 million. That's crazy. He's like, I got 9.7 million on the table for you. You just need to know about you and Z-Bo. I'm like, man, stop playing.

One love. That's my man. That's my man. What we doing? And then when I got there, and I finally got a chance to be around Z-Bo, man, just to understand his heart and just a big teddy bear. You know what I'm saying?

But don't play with him like he no table. I'm just saying he one of the guys. It was like when I first met him, the first thing we called, he was at Lorenz and Wright, Funeral Recipes, Lorenz. He was like, yeah, man, I saw you in the finals, this, that, and the other. He was like, man, I want to get there, bro. He was like, man, you're going to bring that championship mentality to the locker room, bro.

He's like, we're going to make some noise, bro. He's like, we missed the playoffs last year. He was like, just excited. And I'm like, my nigga. You know what I'm saying? And once we got to the season, it was like, damn, when I got there, you know, I just

didn't play. Coach didn't want, he just didn't play me. Like, I'm like, damn, I just got the finals, man. Y'all, it's the laughingstock of the league over here. What y'all doing, bro? Play me. And Coach Hollins,, damn, I just got the finals, man. Y'all, this the laughingstock of the league over here. What y'all doing, bro? Play me. And Coach Hollins, at the time, what I got intel on was he wanted to pick a sign, the real right.

Okay. He wanted space and then shoot. But Chris Wallace thought, like, shoot, we need some stops down the stretch. You feel what I'm saying? At the two spot. And so it took me a minute to, like like even, you know, get some minutes. And specifically this one day where I had, I got some minutes against Kevin Durant. I didn't study for him.

I was doing film on James Harden. Watched all his clips coming out that corner when Nick Collison catches him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dribble handoff. Dribble handoff in the corner. I was studying all that. And then I look up, it's 38 on the clock, and he like wiping off the board

and putting Tony name next to Kevin Durant name. I take my headphones off, look at Rudy. I'm like, Rudy, you ain't playing? Rudy like, oh no. He trying to be quiet and shit. I'm like, no, hold on, man. I ain't studying for Duke. You feel what I'm saying? I was like, fuck, I put my headphone back

on. Boom. Go out there, man. I'm talking about, I had a solid game, like 27-7 rebound fast deal. You had a hell of a game. I was so hot, though. I was real hot. I was still hot at Rudy.

I'm like, mother, he pulled the plate. Why would you throw me in this situation? And then when the cameraman came, I think he finna come holler at Z-Bo, because Z-Bo had like 30 and 15 or some shit. And he like, no, no, no, you. I'm like, I'm trying to rock back to the locker room so I can get on Rudy. And he was like, yeah, this performance, K.R. I know you haven't been playing in many minutes. And da, da, da, where did this come from? I'm so hot. I'm just like, it's this performance, I know you haven't been playing in many minutes and da, da, da,

where'd this come from? So I'm just like, it's all hard. Grit, grind. Like, really, but this was supposed

to get shot in the locker room. You feel me? And he caught it, but by the time I get back to the city, man, the whole city picked up on grit and grind.

Like, that's our mentality. That's our identity right here and there. T.A. just did it. You feel me? He just cracked open the bottle of what we going to hold our hats on. And before you know it, bro, like I said, man, we just made noise from that point on.

Man, you come in that arena, baby, playing whoop, that trick. That trick so far. That trick. That was because of you. That was because of this nigga. No, I ain't going to lie. I didn't nigga They hooking up No I ain't gonna lie I didn't have no control over that I ain't gonna lie

Whoever did that I'm gonna find out That was gangster My boy did Find out who did that That was gangster bro And it only played When we whooping your ass

I was coming on the court One game Whoop that chick I was like I was like nah I went back to Atlanta. I was like, we got to play some better.

You know, we play fire music in Atlanta, but I'm like, they playing whoop that trick. Y'all the pregame for the court. Yeah, we was clubbed. That's a different type of interview.

Yeah, they playing whoop that trick. I'm like, whoop that, whoop that, whoop that. I'm like, whoop that trick.

It's crazy. Man, that's crazy. Cause you go from, you know what I'm saying? Figured out your minutes there. And then you, you know what I'm saying, figuring out your minutes there and then you, you know what I'm saying,

the jersey about to go up, man. How that feel, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. I mean, it's actually a dream come true, man. Yes, sir. You know, coming from where I come from,

you know, a housing authority, you know, just overcoming a lot of hurdles growing up, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Scrapping,

fighting, clawing, I'm talking about Yeah. Scrapping, fighting, clawing. I'm talking about trying to just even get in the just ranks of playing basketball, man. Y'all know, T, you know how hard this is, man. Just stay in the league. It's a three to four year span with some players. And man, to even overcome that

and not be one of your, you know, top notch scores, the most liked, I just got to do it on, like I say, the all-heart side. You feel what I'm saying? The great and grand side. And just for, you know, them to honor my body of work. Memphis definitely showed me love. So, like I say, man, I got nothing but love for that organization. I rep the organization everywhere.

Most definitely. Proudly. And, like I say, it's a dream come true, man. I'm very appreciative of it. You did 14 years? 14 years. Solid a dream come true, man. I'm very appreciative of. You did 14 years? 14 years. Solid, bro. 14 years.

I don't want to talk about my time in New Orleans. We got to talk about that last year. That's when I first really met T.A. Who was I with? We was walking down,

you know, got the shoe store. Well, now you got to talk about it. Nah, nah, nah. He pulled up with us. I might have been with J. Luke. Yeah, at the restaurant.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you pulled up and he was like, uh... Yeah, it's Bulletproof, nigga. I was aggressive for no reason. He pulled up in like a truck. It's Bulletproof, nigga, what? I was like... He was like, nah, he crazy.

He crazy, man. And he just pulled off. No, I ain't gonna lie. My time in the world, as I say, Coach Gentry, man. And he just, he pulled off. No, I ain't going to lie. My time in the world, I say, Coach Gentry, man, I ain't going to lie. He was not fucking with me, bro. I ain't going to lie. He was like, yeah. He always say, stay ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're going to need you. We're going to need you. Yeah, yeah. Stay ready. We're going to need you. Mad in these shit for me. On the real. I say, man, all right.

Do you know why he didn't fuck with you? It just was running in or something? I mean, the people that was playing in front of me, I ain't going to lie. Big salute to them. Who was playing in front of me? Etuan Moore. Smoke.

B. Miller. And I think that's it. The other moments were good. But I just didn't think he was using his, utilizing his options. Right, right, right. But I ended up tearing my knee a little bit.

I think I had got like a fracture in my knee. Oh, shit. And then, but I thought, there you go, I ain't gonna lie, I thought we was gonna win it.

The way, shit, the way Drew Holiday was playing, the way- We talk about that all the time, bro. The way Anthony Davis and them was both, they both was averaging 25 and 15.

That shit was crazy. What y'all did to Portland, that's what made me think like, oh shit, they can take it all. Then Boogie got hurt, I was like, fuck. And so when Boogie,

and that's what I said, Boogie, the way he was playing, man, the way he was changing his attitude. I'm talking about, he was a team player. Like he was,

like I, he got the stigma off his name when I was in Sacramento. And I love for that, man. I ain't going to lie. Big shout out to Boogie, man. And that specific, like I said, it was unfortunate for Boogie to get hurt.

And then they traded all of us. Me, Jameer. He just bust that shit wide open. It went crazy for sure. Listen, man, we appreciate you, man. Before you get out of here, we got to shout out to Sho, man. Oh, yeah. And Out The Mud, man. Y'all tune in, man. Before you get out of here, we got to shout out to the show, man. Oh, yeah. Out the mud, man. Y'all tune in, man. We got

a special guest coming soon. Mr. T. Yes, sir. We going to get into that. Out the mud. That's one of my favorite shows. He put me on. Jeff put me on. Oh, yeah. You didn't know he'd be on. It was early, though. Bro caught y'all first episode.

Oh, yeah. I watched the first episode. I said, there ain't no way. I said, hell yeah, they got one. We working, man. We working, man. One thing about this podcast world, man, what I like about it is I get to see people's journeys. I get to see how they,

you know what I'm saying, damn, you went through that? Damn, that was going on at the time? Okay, those guys you had to face against, I like hearing that because every guy's story is different and every guy's got a story to tell. So I like hearing it, man.

And the one thing about getting to the league, it ain't no right, bro. It's a privilege. So to be a part of that fraternity, man, and talk to guys about that and hear how they came about it,

man, I love it, man. I love it. And you good at it. That's what's crazy to me. Like, I'm listening. I'm like, this nigga actually good. He asked the right question I'm listening I'm like this nigga actually good he ask the right questions

and shit I'm like it's good so nah this shit fire I'm a fan I watch every episode like I told you

y'all came out the gate with Jaron Jackson KD D-Rock like and that's one thing man once you keeping it real once you

you know what I'm saying my fuckers fuck with you man they gonna fuck with you and that's all we do, man. We want to get everybody they flowers and just let them know, man, it's all love, man. Before we do get out of here, I want to say, you also a right motherfucker for what you did to

Al Jefferson's truck, bro. Oh, you thought that was so real? That was my first one. I said, this nigga here, remember I texted you. I was like, hey, listen, don't not give me your cop. That's all I'm saying right now. Do not give me your car. That's what I was going to say right now. Do not give me your car, bro. Yeah, can you please, just before we got here, bro,

tell them what you did to this naked truck, bro. So, look, man. I get the comment. You know, we was real. Tell them what it is. It was a Humvee. Okay. So, now, we was real big on switching cars.

And me, I did the nightlife a lot. So, I be out. I want to get Gerald Green cars. Sometimes I switch up with Perk. Sometimes I'd switch up with whoever, right? And this specific time, I wanted to ride a Humvee because Al had put some, like, 4-5-12s in the back of that one. I'm going to be beating so hard.

Boom, boom, boom. I'm like, so I end up going on a date. And, you know, Cheesecake Factory just came out, bro. So that was the move. But when you go into the clearance you know i don't know why i ain't getting folks a hundred dollars and pay for the valet right there before season yeah my cheap ass went right over there to the 12 parking and it clearly tell you it's a clearance i ain't thinking the clearance because the music's so loud i'm trying to really show out in front of

chick man i went through that motherfucker like boom boom! Boom, boom! I say, what the hell? Are they shooting? I pulled. I kept going, bro. I kept going, bro. I'm like, hey, I ain't know what was going on. So we get out the car, bro. Soon we get out the car. The girl like, is the car supposed to be like that? I look back. I say, man, this man gonna kill me. Turn that bitch into a drop shot.

That was the drop shot. Turn that bitch into a drop shot. And so when I did that, bro, I ain't gonna lie, bro, I would say, bro,

you would never trade Kyle with me again, bro. It was over with by then, so. But yeah, that happened,

man. A little blooper. Nah, I was okay. I appreciate you, though. Shout out to you, man.

Appreciate you. Check out, hey, love, love, love. Check out OTG. I can't.

Mitchell and Ness, we appreciate y'all. Shout out to Ray. Shout out to Dex. We hold it out here. All-star weekend. Much love. We'll be back, we appreciate y'all. Shout out to Ray. Shout out to Dex. We'll hold it out here all-star weekend. Much love. We'll be back next time, Club 520.

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