Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Vernon Maxwell on CRAZY battle with Michael Jordan, fight in the stands + Drazen Petrovic

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 91 of Club 520 where the squad interviews NBA legend Vernon Maxwell to talk about all things basketball. Mad Max tells incredible stories of his battles with Michael Jordan and Drazen Petrovic. Plus, Maxwell gives his perspective on what happened when he fought a fan in the stands during a game. Vernon also gives his perspective on the big money in the NBA today with the new TV deals, and what that means for the future of the game. And don't miss why Maxwell has a love, hate relationship with Utah! #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The Volume. All right, we back. Live from Jalisco Resorts World Vegas, Baby Club 520 live on location. Special, special guest to my left. We're going to introduce my man's last. And to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B.

Henn out the prayer leaves. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. Let's get to it. Out the gate. How you feeling, man? You know what I'm saying? Vegas took a toll on us, but we've been trapping out here.

This our fifth day. Vegas has been good to us. You know, it's time to slide, though. For sure. Yeah. We were talking to OG before the show. You in Vegas longer than 48 hours. You living real wicked.

Yeah. To my right, my dog, young Nacho, young T. How you doing, man? Man, I'm chilling, bro. We got an OG in the building. I'm hype, bro. We trying to get him on the show for a minute, so it should be a good one.

Man, we been geeked about this. Shout out to Kim for helping making this happen. Shout out to the team. Hey, look, the Bada Doe series is for real, for real, Bada Doe. We all been Bada Doe the last couple days. For sure, Bada Doe. The rest of my stuff packed, bro. I ain't even. Hey, Bada Doe, for sure. Hey, man, door. The rest of my stuff packed, bro. I ain't even... Hey, by the door,

for sure. Hey, man, but to my left, we got an NBA legend. We got my man, a pioneer ahead of his game by how he played in the NBA, the Max Out Podcast.

We got the OG, Vernon Maxwell. Big Dog, appreciate you sliding on us, man. Man, appreciate y'all having me, man. I can't wait to do this shit. I've been wondering

why you niggas took so long to get me on this motherfucker. Man, I don't know to do this shit. I've been wondering why you niggas took so long to get me on this motherfucker. Man, I don't know what the fuck y'all been doing. What's been the hold up, though? I don't know you niggas. You niggas? It's our fault. Well, you're in hell, man.

Y'all motherfuckers. Y'all got them took, y'all done did damn 100 shows. I'm 100 and motherfucking won. I'm supposed to be in the top five. What the fuck are we doing? You kicking off the new season, man. Okay, well, damn. I'm 100 and motherfucking one. I'm supposed to be in the top five. What the fuck are we doing? You're kicking off the new season, man. Oh, okay. Well, damn.

I'm number one. My God. That shit. For sure, man. No doubt. And listen, man. We try to get you in Indiana, but you be treating Indiana like Utah, man. Well, you know, them motherfuckers, a lot of them ain't got a lot of internet.

You know, so you got to leave that Utah shit. Them motherfuckers. That's a whole not another motherfucking subject with them motherfuckers whack ass motherfuckers out there you know we i mean but if you want me to elaborate about the motherfuckers but like i was talking these guys today i did a podcast earlier today with some guys they they from utah and they was like asked me max damn man why you so on Utah man you motherfuckers

y'all so weird out there you motherfuckers got four five wives and shit you Mormon ass motherfuckers who do that

I wish I could I'm a single motherfucker I wish I had motherfucking four women in one house at one time and bitch bitch your day is Monday and bitch your day is Tuesday I have motherfuckin' four women in one house at one time.

And bitch, your day is Monday, and bitch, your day is Tuesday, and bitch, your day is Wednesday, and bitch, your day is Thursday. So I want to do that. I want to have that. No, you don't want that, man. You don't want that. That's a hell of a thing. Oh, yes, I do.

I want that shit. You a damn blood. I got that. Boy, I ain't got nobody. Don't nobody want my ass. So, cause I ain't worth nobody Don't nobody want my ass So Cause I ain't worth To be wanted I want to be out there

That's why I want to live I'm getting ready To move out there Respect Exactly Hey man You ain't gonna have Wife I don't

Boy you know I keep telling you Motherfucker It's different out there You know the mountains Jeff know You fly in the Goddamn Utah

You fly into the goddamn Utah. You fly into a little hole. There's a little hole in that motherfucker. That's where Carl Malone should drive that motherfucker 18-wheeler in the games and shit. I said, damn, what's this nigga pulling up an 18-wheeler at a fucking basketball game? Well, it makes sense now. Carl got a weird case. Why is he around?

Oh, yes. Well, Carl, I love you, boy. I love you, Carl. I ain't got nothing to do with that shit That boy just said We had the same major I fuck with you Remember Max didn't say that shit

Hey But no Carl you pulled up in there With that big ass 18 wheeler one time I was like Damn this nigga drove the cab He had the back of the fucking truck And the cab on the front.

He pulled a whole 18-wheeler in the goddamn diner where the bus was. I was like, man, who fucking got an 18-wheeler? They said the motherfucker when I got off the bus, the motherfucker said, that's Calvin Holmes, goddamn. I said, this nigga's loading cows and what the fuck is this dude?

Man, I don't know, man. It's just weird. That's my mind. That's why I say all the time, all my boys, they know. Cam, Junior, all my peoples know. I ain't got nobody, don't want nobody. I just want to hang something in somebody. Man. Oh, gee, crazy. Man, but we got to talk about it, man.

Obviously, we know how Apollo Ross, you were off the court. But you were pioneering your game back in the day. Now, you see everybody coming in and don't nobody shoot nothing but threes. But, like, that was how you hung your hat early on outside of your defense. How is it now to see the game transition to where everybody got to shoot that? And you was a special of that because I know a couple years in a row, you was like, you led the league and made threes. Oh, boy, that's a great question.

Oh, man. Yeah, man. Now, shit, I'll be a $300 million motherfucker like these young boys out here. Tatum and Brown, I'll be one of them motherfuckers. Shit, yeah, because that's what the game's went to now. They want motherfuckers to shoot. They want a lot of scoring and make it exciting. And they got the big guys out there in the way of the goddamn guards shooting threes and shit and all this bullshit.

But it's cool, though. I mean, I don't really like the game, the way the game goddamn guards shooting threes and shit and all this bullshit. But it's cool though. I mean, I don't really like the game, the way the game's being played right now, but I respect the game and I respect what these young boys are doing. And I was, I really loved the money. They fucking getting God damn.

Well, I couldn't get none of that. This shit is fucked up. This is some fucked up shit. Reparations. Max. What? Yeah. Reparations yes yes i i mean for real man for real though i mean god damn man you can average fucking 14 points and you goddamn get uh 80 million yeah man God damn, now damn, I can't, damn. Oh my goodness, man. Shit, man, that's just mind, just fucking me up.

But ain't it amazing how the game grown though? From like, even from when I played, like to see the money going up even more. Like we had a moment the other day, I was talking about Max Christie getting eight million. And at a time when I got paid like that, it was like damn, eight million was good. but now like eight million is like the bottom yeah that's that's like the bottom of the total but to see it grow like that yeah yeah well you know

there's these tv deals you know that's where the money come at now they got to pay these motherfuckers for the tv deals so i mean and they're getting a bigger deal getting ready to come now so this shit finna get absurd so i mean i mean the tv deals is crazy man so that's why they're getting these guys these young guys getting this money but i ain't mad at them because dr j came in before me and and i'm sure dr j was like damn how maxwell made more motherfucking money than i made? You know what I mean? Dr. J, I wasn't a Michael Jordan, you know, guy. You know, I love Michael Jordan.

And but, you know what he'd done and competitive and we competed against each other. But Dr. J was my guy. And I'm like saying, damn, Dr. J was probably saying the same damn thing I'm saying right now about these young guys. Damn, these young guys, I'll bust these motherfuckers you know I mean and but it's the TV deals and I get it and I understand where it's coming from so and I'm I'm happy for it so shit I got a son I got two sons coming up shit I hope one of them motherfuckers get some of this motherfucking a bag or what they call it a a bag of bread, whatever the fuck they call it. The above.

Chicken? Like chicken. And it's crazy. You talk about how you was playing. The game has evolved now. What's interesting, you talk about TV deals. And I hope it doesn't come to an end, but it's kind of what it's looking like. Your old teammate, Kenny Smith, for what they did, I think that more people need to pay attention to how inside the NBA helped perpetuate that.

I know that's not the only thing about that, but the way that they covered the game, especially in today's modern era with social media, they helped project a lot of people to have their own brands

or own rebuttals to do stuff like this. How was that to see him go from your teammates to see what he's doing now? Well, I always told that motherfucker, you know, Kenny, my nigga,

you know, I love you, boy. I told him, I said, that's what he was going to be, a commentator, because, you know, Kenny speaks so fluid and so well. Yeah, you know, I love you, boy. I told him, I said, that's what he was going to be, a commentator, because, you know, Kenny speaks so fluid and so well. Yeah.

You know, he's so educated and shit, you know what I mean? But I told him, nigga, you was a decent, I'm sorry, Kenny, you was a great ball player. I'm just kidding. I had to take that to this motherfucker, because I know he's going to see this shit. But, yeah, but Kenny was a great ball player. But you know what I mean?

But I always said to Kenny, I knew he was going to be an announcer or some form of fashion doing that shit. What he's doing with TNT. I mean, it's great. I mean, I'd love to see Kenny up there because, you know, he always bring my ass up in a lot of conversations. Always showing love. And I'd be like, God know, he always bring my ass up in a lot of conversations. Always showing love. And I'd be like, God damn, Kenny, why you put me in this shit? I'm over here smoking this goddamn blunt.

I'm over here getting high. You got me in this shit. Man, I'm just watching you, nigga. What are we talking about, Kenny? But I mean, so, but I love what Kenny's doing. That's my guy. You know, Kenny, I love his family. I know his, I mean, I know it. Kenny knew my family. i love his family i know his i mean i know kenny knew my family i knew his family i mean we live next door to each other we was like next door neighbors man this motherfucker

i mean this is weird and i mean so i mean that's my guy i love him to death and and kudos to my nigga you know he know i love him so much so so yeah. It's always funny to see Kenny like, how he like run now, or like his knees up. Oh my goodness. He the coldest ever to play knock knee. Like that. No, man, nah, that shit got worse when he got older. Got longer.

That shit got worse, cause that nigga wasn't running like that. That nigga. Hold on, he the coldest. That's why we confused us. That nigga, the jet, you remember, they called that nigga the jet. That's what we're confused on.

That's why we say he the coldest. That nigga, nah, that nigga the Jack. That's what we're confused on. That's what we say here. The coders. That nigga, not that nigga clacking knees and shit. The helicopter. My nigga be running up that motherfucker, and he be making sure, hey, y'all niggas don't get ready to beat me up. Hold on now. They ain't going to beat me up to this motherfucker. That motherfucker be ready, because them niggas getting ready to hit up a good...

Boy, let me stop talking about my nigga, boy. Hey, boy, Kenny. Come on my show, boy. I love you, boy. Come on now. Stop with this bullshit, though. All right? I'm just...

Hey, boy, you know what we do. We... Hey, you know what this is. Yeah, for sure. I love you. Now, listen, man. I got to ask you about this. We from NAP, you know what I'm saying?

Pioneers and Indiana Pacers. You know what I'm saying? What they did Indiana Pacers, you know what I'm saying? What they did at the Palace. But you was an OG in there. You was one of the first people to get active in the stands. I got to ask you, who was worse, the Portland fans or the Utah fans? Well, I'm going to put Portland because the motherfucker was talking about my motherfucking stillborn daughter. Yeah, that's crazy.

That was a problem. You know, I mean, I kept telling them security guard. I was like, yo, I was telling this motherfucker. I'm like, yo, do you hear what this motherfucking white boy is saying about my goddamn peoples? And I said, and I, well, true enough, I probably shouldn't have brought my ass back that early. But I felt like that was my sanctuary where I can go and release and not think about my stillborn daughter and shit like that. And the white boy and Nike, we all broadcasted and they put like, you know, Vernon Maxwell, Amber. They put her name on my shoes and shit, all that bullshit.

And and the white boy behind me was talking crazy like fuck that bitch fuck that whore and I was like telling the damn security guy to sit behind the bench I was like man you better go straighten this motherfucker up so security guy tell me max I can't do that man he pays money there's a not alone as a nigga nigga sitting behind me talking about man I can't do that, man. He pays money. It's a, not alone as a nigga. Nigga sitting behind me talking about, man, I can't do that, man. He pays, he pays money for that ticket.

I say, what? I said, okay. I said, man, do you hear what this man saying to me? So he was like, I can't do nothing, Mac. So,

and then Kenny was sitting beside me and I think Tim Bro was another guy that, you know, my guy, Tim Bro, what's up? Yeah.

I gave you a shout out, what's up? Yeah. He shot at a boy. Shit. Shit. And he was sitting beside me. He was trying to tell me, man, come on, man. Chill now. Chill.

Don't do it. Don't do it. But I'm telling, man, fuck you, motherfucking white boy. I'm telling him like this. See, I'm cussing and fussing and shit. And then, so I got fed up with it. I got kept telling this nigga so i got up and when i got up and the nigga was like oh he stood up and nigga i was like i mean get your bitch ass out the way i saw that nigga about over there to the goddamn whiskey bar that bar i slung that motherfucker across the bar i went up there you see y'all seen it

yeah i walked like patiently i walked patiently terminator oh lord i just bam bam bam and i slapped the shit out of it it wasn't worth it The money The money This motherfucker I ain't know God damn I say damn They told me how much I was making

God damn In ten days And they took five hundred From my old nigga In ten In ten games I was like God damn

I ain't want Doing like that You should have Made him back to the game That motherfucker God damn I should have Yeah I should have Tried to get that bitch Out to the game That motherfucker God damn I should have Yeah I should have

Tried to get that bitch Out of the game But they took 10 It was It was a bad It was But and then And then

And then That was fucked up And then The Rockets fucked over me too Yeah And they brought Clyde in And they didn't even Do my whole suspension

That whole 10 games The motherfuckers never did call me. Nobody never called me and checked on me and said, Vern, you working out? You good? Your mental state is all right, nigga? We know you mental health, nigga. You know, you all right.

You know, so, but nobody never, none of my teammates, nobody never called me. Nobody. I was just out on the golf course, just hitting my golf ball and shit. Nobody never called me. Nobody. I was just out on the golf course, just hitting my golf ball and shit. Nobody never called me then. They brought Clyde in on me without saying anything to me. I thought I bought two championships. I mean, well, one champ, the first championship in that motherfucker.

Well, they would never won without me because God damn it. Talk about it. In game three, God damn it. When we went out to Phoenix uh phoenix shit we was down oh two shit and god damn if max don't go out there and do what i did i had 30 in the second half god damn it will i turned that whole motherfucking series around for fucking h town yeah you know i mean and we won that god damn so i told dream come on baby boy it's my night tonight come on now you the guy yeah you baby boy. It's my night tonight. Take a break. God damn, big guy.

Come on now. You the guy. You the guy. But it's Max night tonight. God damn, Jeff. You know what it's like when you get to cooking? Yeah, for sure. God damn, I got to cooking.

I had 30 in the second half. I had two at the half. I was on some drunk shit. Because I was in the club with them white bitches out there. You know how it is, Jeff. You know how it is, Jeff. Them white bitches. Yeah, dude. Stop acting how it is, Jeff. Them white bitches in Phoenix. Yeah, dude.

Stop out here. I don't know. Stop out here. You're out there partying with them white bitches tonight for the game? Because I ain't worried about damn Molly. Fuck damn Molly. I'm ready to bust damn Molly's ass. I got a white boy on me.

And the white boy never got me. So I'm getting ready. Like, yeah, ain't no white boy got me. Fuck that shit. So I turned the fucker boy dog man fuck that shit so I went I turned the fucking seriously and then shit

we won the fucking first championship ever in Houston history no baseball football or nothing that was the first

championship and I think I was a big you was I did that shit I did that shit you was for sure I did that shit for sure was, bro. Yeah, now you was. I did that shit. You was, for sure. I did that shit.

For sure you was. It wouldn't have happened without Game 3. We couldn't have went down 0-3 to the motherfuckers, Charles Barkley and the motherfuckers, KJ, and the motherfuckers. That was nice, too. Yeah, man, so fuck that. So yeah, Mad Max.

How you get the name Mad Max? Shit, Them white folks You know how they do They change their name You know like Slaves and shit Like You know how them white folks do

You know like The Kuta Kente That motherfucker name Wasn't Kuta Kente What was it That motherfucker His name was Carl

Like Vernon They changed that Motherfucker name To Kuta See what I mean Cause he kept running You know what I mean cause he kept running you know what I mean so

but that's what they did to me though the bulk of the story is that the white folks you know I was out there I was wild you was wild

I was wild like a motherfucker so I'm wild like a motherfucker out there so the white folks changed my name. My mama called me. She said, damn, Vern.

She said, baby. My mom called me and said, baby, I don't know who the fuck you is right now. And I was like, mom, what are you talking about? She said, why they calling you Mad Max? I said, damn. I said, mom, it's probably the shit I be doing. And she was like, baby, you need to chill, baby. I don't know you like this.

What's going on? So the white folks changed my name from Vernon. Then they started calling me Mad Max. And so I told my mom, I said, shit, that's the reason why. The motherfuckers changed my name. Nobody don't call me. Nobody never. That's a weird ass name, really. Yeah. Vernon. and why the motherfuckers changed my name they called nobody don't call me nobody never that's a weird ass name really yeah uh vernon yeah who fucking named vernon who fucking named vernon

there's a lot of goddamn cams there's a lot of motherfucking juniors that's who fucking named vernon you know no fucking body i was fuck? Ain't too many cool V names. Right. But you made a statement for it. Yeah. So the motherfuckers changed my name from Vernon to Mad Max because all the antics and shit. But Mad Max is a dope name, though.

That nickname is dope, though. I thought you got that in the neighborhood or at Rucker or somewhere, wherever you played on the streets. I wish I could have got paid for that shit, though. Yeah. Motherfucker, I lost a lot of money with you play on the streets. I wish I could have got paid for that shit, though. Yeah. Motherfucker, I lost a lot of money with that motherfucking name. He said, I ain't make from it.

Shit, nigga, that shit went backwards. That shit was swimming up the stream backwards like a salmon, nigga. God damn, I was fucking up, nigga. I dig that shit. Fuck that. I bought it in that bullshit. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles,

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North Carolina State had just won the national championship, 83. Sitting low. Yep, sitting low. Yep, my guys and them, yep. Lorenzo Charles and all them guys. Thurl Bailey. All those guys. I went up to visit them and shit, man.

They flew their plane down to Gainesville. I'm from Gainesville, Florida. I'm a country boy. Like I said, I'm a country ass, bunking ass nigga. I had never, ever been nowhere. Yeah. And them motherfuckers flew their plane down there to get me from Gainesville. My mom told me before I went up to say, nigga, my mom used to talk to me like she was like my daddy. She was, I really don't know my dad, so I don't have a dad.

So she was like my dad. So she was like, hey, nigga, let me tell you something. You better not sign a motherfucking piece of paper. I said, man, I ain't going to do this because, you know, we have Florida. University of Florida. I'm in the backyard of the University of Florida. I live a mile away from the University of Florida. So she know them white folks already told us, nigga, we getting ready to pay you.

So nigga, don't you fuck my money up. That's what my mama really said. Nigga, don't go fuck my money up. Nigga, so. NIL. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before the NIL. Yeah, I had NIL before NIL.

Shit. NIL big. God, shit. Well, these boys getting paid good money now. But my NIL, my shit was like 200. And that was back in the early 80s. know i mean so that was big money good money for sure i moved my mom out the fucking hood to a little mid-level ass fucking place you know she ain't wasn't in the project she had a house yeah you know i mean so i was able to do that shit. But the University of Florida was a blessing for me, man,

because I knew all the dope spots was and shit. I knew all the dope spots was. I mean, I'm a real ass nigga, man. I'm going to tell you. Y'all got me on this motherfucker. I'm going to tell y'all the real, man. For sure. I was on cocaine in college and shit.

And I was on marijuana i smoke marijuana still today but um and and i was an alcoholic too so in college i did all three of those fucking um those drugs to me yeah so i did all three of those and that and for me to make it coming out of there i mean it was dangerous for me to stay in gainesville but i knew i couldn't leave gainesville it was a it was like a double-edged sword like i couldn't leave and i needed to leave you know i needed to leave to get away from that you know i mean but i decided to stay in that shit and that infested ass pond like i keep saying yeah uh gainesville florida and um and i got caught up and i went to florida i'm all time

leading score at the university of florida today motherfuckers don't stay in school long enough to do what i did you know first time in appearance yes first time in appearance back in the day when i came when i came out, you know, your ass do four years. Yeah. You know, that shit wasn't heard of one and done. That shit was like two motherfuckers. I saw, I mean, like Daryl Dawkins and these other motherfuckers had done that.

I mean, so we never really heard about one and done's. Yeah. Like going to college for one year and then, I you I mean get a bag so we I did four years that's how I became the all-time leading scorer at the University of Florida you know I mean I got 28-60 you know and second time all-time leading scorer in the SEC history behind Pistol Pete yeah still today so but yeah well it was I mean I had to I had to stay there because I had never been nowhere. I went, they flew me.

They brought that goddamn plane down to goddamn Gainesville. And they flew me over to Raleigh, North Carolina. Man, that's the longest fucking flight I ever flew. That shit wasn't nothing but an hour. And my ass had never been on a plane or nothing. That shit was the longest fucking flight. I was like, oh, shit. These white folks there. I ain't never been this far plane or nothing that shit was the longest fucking flight I was like oh shit these white folks there I ain't never been this far away from my house now I can't now I was like

nervous so and then I got off the plane they showed me Val Vanna God bless you Jimmy Jimmy Val Vanna he showed me a great time and that's probably where I should have went to but I mean I still did good with where I went to. But I'm just saying. But Val Vanna was a great visit. And I mean, man, it was just a blessing, man. I mean, just staying in Florida, man. I had to stay there, man.

Because I mean, shit, my mom wasn't going to let me leave. Because I was a mama's boy. Yeah, OK. And that's interesting you say that. Like you said, like double-edged sword situation. Like me staying changes a lot for your family instantly, no matter what happened the rest of the year. I know my family good if I make this move,

but also you probably need a little bit of space to kind of develop on your own to get away from some people. You kind of talked about that, you know, your college decision, you wanted to kind of stay home, but you was like, that could have been detrimental to being home, too close to home. Yeah, if I was too close to home, I would have just been with the guys,

you know what I mean? So I don't know if I would have made it to the NBA, because my focus might not have been the same but getting away from home and going to Wake Forest being eight hours away I had no choice but to like lock in and focus for sure that's right yeah that's what now's my thing see I thought I could I knew I could have been a better college player if I'd have just called like i said man i was on cocaine and marijuana and i was an alcoholic man and so and i'm still scored 28 60 you know what i mean and so i don't even know half of the days and shit i don't remember half the day you said that college

you know i mean because i was so fucked up. You know what I mean? A lot of times I go to practice and shit, I just sit there in college and shit. I be like, shit, fuck that. I ain't practicing today. Shit, you want me today? Or you can get me in game day, tomorrow. Shit, he say, I'll get you tomorrow.

Just sit there. Sit there, just sit there. So that's what I used to do. So I mean, I used to be hung over with that cocaine because cocaine will make you stay up all night, man. And you got them cocaine boogers and shit you be digging all day. And, I mean, it's a lot don't know how I made it because two weeks before the draft, we was out there in Combine in Orlando working out. And shit, you know, we have it wasn't cell phones back then. Yeah, it was like newspaper. You get up in the morning and you go out at the Combine where we was at.

We open the door. We get to USA at the combine where we was at we open the door we get to USA Today see we read USA Today yeah we read the USA Today and then I went to get to USA Today it was a like ten days for the drive was a and I was getting I get the USA Today I pick up the goddamn paper I I'm fuck all that damn political shit I go straight to the sports and I flip to the sports I'm looking at my goddamn face on the fucking on the fucking you and on the front of the force on the sports page I'm like what the fuck is happening what I do So, unfortunately, God bless him, my college coach done leaked out that I was supposed to be top 10. I was supposed to be top 10 lottery pick.

Yeah. Yeah. But my college coach, he leaked out that, you know, and he said to me and he told it to my mom that if it's up to him i wasn't gonna make it yeah that's that's what he told me when i was a senior after i told this motherfuckers i was gonna i should have left my junior year but i stayed because my mom's like they'll get your degree nigga and you know where you can have something to fall back on in case this shit don't work out for you, nigga. And so I was like, all right, man, I don't really want to do this shit.

I don't really want to fuck with this boy, this white boy, this coach, you know, because we didn't get along. I mean, but he couldn't stop me from being on the floor because I'm from Gainesville, Florida. All alumni. You know, I mean? They got my back. They're going to get rid of that coach before they get rid of me. You know, because I, you know, you flunked three drug tests at the University of Florida when I was there and you kicked out the school. Shit, I flunked a fucking hundred of them my freshman year. Damn. You know what I mean? So that's how they put a bandage on this shit for me.

You know what I mean? So that's how they put a bandage on this shit for me. You know what I mean? But I'm just saying, man, I mean, it's just. So he booted you into the second round. He the reason why you got booted into the second round. I went from top 10 to 48th pick. Yeah. And I had to make a fucking team. I got drafted by Denver, 48th.

Yeah. Supposed to have been to been shit top 10 and they traded me the night the same night when i got drafted to san antonio spurs and yeah so and i went there and i went there shit then i went there i had a nigga way way crazier than me. You know, Alvin Robinson, a quadruple-double nigga. You know, 10 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 steals, you know, 10 points. You know, this nigga was crazy. I mean, he was an all-star guy. So, I mean, and this dude was physical as fuck. I knew I had to get myself, you know, build my body up

because I was, you know, look at me. Shit, I don't weigh nothing but 182 pounds right now. Shit.

So, I mean, but shit, back then, my heaviest weight I ever wore my whole life was 195 pounds

when I played in the NBA. That's the heaviest I've ever been. Everybody I played against was 6'6", 6'7", I mean, 218, 205.

I'm 190 fucking, you know what I mean? I'm a little ass guy, man. But my heart took me over through all that shit, man. I mean, I played with heart and, you know, Jeff. Yeah. Passion and I don't give a fuck about a nigga in another color jersey. You know, it's cut though nigga yeah

so and I gotta ask you talked about this recently but I just loved the conversation you know MJ was guarding with Harden excuse me guarding MJ was pretty hard

but that man up there and you know what I'm saying with the nets he was the hardest assignment you had to deal with God bless him you're talking about

boy who boy Petro oh Petro bitch boy God I'd rather guard a motherfucking Micah than guard Petro bitch that motherfucker deal with. God bless him. You're talking about boy, who boy? Petrov. Oh, Petrovich, boy, God, God, I'd rather die motherfucking Michael than God, John Petrovich.

That motherfucker was something else, man. John Petrovich, man, God bless you, God. Man, that man, I used to tell Rudy T,

treat this motherfucker like you treat Mike. You know, we had a treat, I used to tell him, man, don't, don't let motherfucker when he come out the game bring

my ass out the game when he come to the goddamn table let me meet him at the table i don't want nobody guarding this motherfucker because this bitch can get to get to going real quick and it's gonna be hard to cut this motherfucker ward off yeah i mean i mean i used to be like man fuck that man hey man rudy treat this motherfucker And then one night he didn't do that. Man, I was like, oh, my goodness. This motherfucker was in Houston. This motherfucker and this motherfucker, he don't. He talk.

He talk. That bitch talk with his head. I was like, fuck. He don't say shit to you. He do this. He don't do that. I said, said oh this bitch Thunk out fire

Put the motherfucker In the gang That motherfucker Lit one of them niggas up I forget who it was I ain't gonna say Nobody's name Cause I love all my teammates

From the Rockies He got the Motherfucker going though Whoever he was He got the motherfucker going And they put me back In that motherfucker Try to cut off the water

Boy I couldn't do it Boy that's the That's the worst cover in the world draws in petrovich man i'm trying to tell y'all man y'all just pay homage to this motherfucker man this motherfucker was a killer man and you know it's funny they um i mean maybe not the same level but they kind of compare him with the same way they're going crazy like luca there's like like Luca like they were now that you want to do yes I agree I fucking agree Luca's a fucking killer too yeah he's a killer yeah I agree yes yes that yeah but shit Johnson he he he they used to run that motherfucker off three four screens nigga you have to chase this motherfucker yeah and then when he get that motherfucker he catch that bitch this way he'll scrub this bitch this motherfucker scrub this way in the air and just bang bang that i mean threes this motherfucker was unbelievable man i'm telling man if this guy wouldn't have if he wouldn't have killed himself

on the autobahn man this guy would have been so special man this guy was a special guy man oh man he was all my good now i don now i really don't like to get that motherfucker a lot of props but that motherfucker said fuck me up more than mike and i tell everybody that's where you got it from i know you got that shit from he's a fuck me up i hate guarding that motherfucker you said it but before we got really how was it going because i mean every time we hear about it it was just like mike was just demoralized and killed me i know the competitor in you you still went at it. But how was it dealing with the goat?

Well, you better get some sleep tonight. I'm going to tell you now, that's one motherfucker right there. Now, I should go lay down and and put my elevate my motherfucking feet above my heart. Like my mom used to say, put your feet above your heart, baby, before you play him. It's going to bring some energy back to you. Left country ball. So I used to lift my eyes and do damn what my mom used to say. That's the only motherfucker I used to stay home.

My wife used to be glad for that. When Mike come in town, because I really never used to stay home. My wife used to be glad when Mike come in town. She really never used to stay home my wife used to be glad when mike come to show this nigga look at his ass now because mike in here yeah because this motherfucker black jesus man that's what i call him man the best player i ever played against man i mean i mean i i it's no comparisons to, I mean, LeBron, kudos, man. You a hell of a nigga, man. You got your son damn drafted.

That shit's weird. I mean, but hey, man, if I could do that shit, LeBron, nigga, I would do it too. Fuck that shit, nigga. I ain't mad at you, though. Keep that shit going. Boy, what you doing? You running the damn league. What I'm just saying. What we

talking about? I'm sorry. You talking about Michael Jordan. Okay, Mike. Yeah, I'm sorry. I got you. I got you. Thank you. I got you, bro. I had to throw that shit in there. Cause shit, I got a son coming next year. Yeah. And I'm going to put him in the goddamn combine. He has more than four

points. And goddamn it, I won't goddamn let's get him a shot at this shit. And that's it. We can get drafted number 55. Oh, shit. One of them motherfucking picks in the second round. I'm just saying, man. I just want

that. I mean, but I'm back to Mike. Yeah, man. Back to Mike. Mike was to Mike. Yeah, man. Back to Mike. Mike was the best player ever, man. That motherfucker spun to me one day when we was in Houston. He spun to me. I was like, oh, Lord, that bitch.

That bitch, like, he's, like, disappeared and shit. Bitch, like, it's like, this bitch just disappeared. This bitch spun to me. So this bitch is so gifted, man. I'd never seen him he's so strong fast and i mean can handle and i don't think his handle was that good i think his hand was so big that he used to lose that shit and he'll grab that bitch with his hands so he got big hands all of us yeah he'll grab that motherfucker, man, that man spanned on me, and he took off.

And you know that damn jump man on the bottom of that damn stick. That motherfucker was right in my face. And then I was like, I laughed at it. I laughed because I took off and ran down the court. Because I knew the nigga had done, I knew it in there. I knew everybody in Houston was like, oh, shit. They used to come see the dunk show before the games. And I knew, so I knew I just took off running.

Leak out. And he came back, he came up behind me, and the nigga hit me on my ass. I said, oh, no, bitch ass nigga. Don't put your goddamn hands on me, nigga, after that bullet. Don't put your motherfucking hands on me Mike nigga I'll beat your motherfucking ass

nigga now I love your game this ass nigga don't put your goddamn hands on me nigga and then that's when y'all see it's like everybody see this part we're like face to face i was like man but i don't touch me nigga you're the best nigga i ever played against nigga don't put your hands on me though nigga i hate guarding your ass oh yeah man that was that was that was like that was shit man that was another fucking that's some shit right there mike man that guy was unbelievable man to be 1000 man i mean i i i'm just glad i was

able to say shit and everybody give me homage but shit they don't give like motherfucker i was just following that motherfucker down in the lodge one lodge one was the best defensive player to fucking leave from fucking back in them days for Lajuan was the best defensive player in the fucking league from fucking back in them days for three, four years in a row. Defensive player of the year, blocking everything. You know, he don't give a fuck if he get dunked on. He don't give a fuck if Mike come in there and dunk on him. Shit, I'll funnel his ass on down there.

Go and get that shit. And I'll be out there waiting on the break. Shit, so that's how it is, man. Mike was the best ever, man. Love you, man love you boy man listen this has been great og we gotta do this again man people they can find you at man they gotta check out maxed out for sure hey man come and find no max on the youtube max style podcast all right let's do it appreciate you max love for let's go we appreciate yall. You know what it is. Club 520. Like, share, subscribe. All that good shit. Be here.

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