Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 - Wesley Matthews on guarding Kobe Bryant, playing with LeBron James, the Big East

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 30 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Wesley Matthews of the Atlanta Hawks to discuss his best stories of playing in the NBA. Wes talks about playing college basketball for Marquette in the Big East, going undrafted, and then starting as a rookie for the Utah Jazz. He then tells stories about guarding Kobe Bryant, playing with LeBron James, and much more. 00:00 - Introduction03:00 - Going to Marquette12:00 - Wes Matthews hardest matchup in NBA13:30 - Going undrafted19:45 - Guarding Carmelo Anthony26:00 - Developing a 3-point shot30:00 - Seeing Luka 33:00 - Best PGs of our era37:00 - Playing for Portland42:00 - Playing with LeBron #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Volume. written with and about Las Vegas Raiders running backs coach Dillon McCullough. It's the story of a football coach and father of four who sees his life forever changed by the unsealing of his adoption records. And it's got a twist you won't believe. Based on the viral ESPN story I did a few years ago, this book will blow your mind and bring you to tears. Buy Runs in the Family wherever books are sold. I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. Listen to Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Sure. Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports. This kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We met them at their homes. We met them at their homes.

We met them at their recording studios. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

All right, we back. Another episode of Club 520 Podcast. I'm the host. My name is DJ Well. Shout out to the volume. Special guest to my left. We're going to introduce my man's last. But to my far left, we got my dog back on the scully in the shades.

He act like he don't work here. I don't know if he might rob us on the way out. My nigga be here out the prelates. How you doing, man? Cool and nasty. Let's get to it. It's safe over here. CB4.

CB4. Okay. Head strike two. Let's just party. Keep it moving. Now, Wes, you know what I'm saying? I know you've been in the league around. You know, you done seen some good feats before.

Have you ever seen the black forces with the white laces, though? That's a first. That's a first? It's going to be a last. That's a first. It's going to be a last. You see what's good. Pass's going to be the last. That's the first. It's going to be the last. You see what's getting passed around.

Hey, yo. That's crazy. The lineage does not fuck that. No, respect the lineage. Have we seen the black and white forces on Nike? Yeah, my shit getting passed around more than... God damn it. Man, what? Man, we're going to bleep that out.

I made Tiana Trump. My bad. You can leave that in there. Yeah, we can leave that in there. That's T.T. Not Tristan Thompson. Not your auntie. Oh, shit. That's crazy.

I'm a best team. That's Jeff. I'm Jeff. I work a best team. That's Jeff. I'm Jeff. I'm with my folks. We got a day two of the phone for the month. See how long we keep this going. Please stop tagging us. We understand that he didn't have him on that episode

because it was recorded last year. For sure. I appreciate y'all. But to my left, man, we got special guests in the building, man. Definitely. Amy Avent, real one. My dog, Wes Matthews.

Appreciate you pulling up the 520, Nasty. Appreciate y'all having me. For sure, for sure. We always start the episode off with a bullshit question. We got to guess. What was the craziest locker room or team you was on? You know what I'm saying? You've been around different places.

What was the craziest or like the most tense locker room you had to play in? Most tense locker room? Like because of the team? Yeah. Or it could just have been lit. It ain't got to be bad. It could have been real good man

you know what the Milwaukee teams when we was ready when we was that bubble year ah yeah shout out to the bubble that's when we was doing

all that WWE shit and all that stuff yeah that was we was active that's crazy Milwaukee was what's up for you

I had a little stint in Milwaukee snuck out of there with a championship yeah you a champ a little stint in Milwaukee. Snuck out of there with a championship. Yeah, you a champ, bro. Yeah, I don't know how I snuck out of there with that one.

They said you was a local rapper living in the studio. Oh, God, bro. You said nigga Rich ain't supposed to live in the studio. I lived in a studio, man.

I lived in a place just like this. It was just a bed and a... I don't even think I had a refrigerator. I think I did have a mini fridge. this It was just a bed And a I don't even think I had a refrigerator I think I did I had a mini fridge

Damn I didn't care I was thugging But Nah Milwaukee's a cool They got some cool guys On their team They been around for a while

Y'all is a cool dudes Brother They hilarious But you got a chance To be with Rolo Yeah Him and Brooke They

They comedians But Brooke is I ain't get a chance To play with Rolo That's crazy That they both twins And they really that Fucking big Rollo. Yeah. He a fool. Him and Brooke, they comedians, bro. But Brooke is. I ain't get a chance to play with Rollo. That's crazy that they both twins and they really that fucking big. And they read comic books.

And write them. Yeah. Read them and write them. I said, this can't be real when I seen Brooke. You are 38 years old, bro. Why are you reading Superman?

It's like, what? Nah, but shout out to them. Niggas better be nicer to Brooke that nigga is taller than the motherfucker boy they got switches

damn they got switches bro you see I see Brooke he gonna protect his that's I love Brooke and Rollo yeah I've been seeing

the past games niggas ain't trying everybody else been look niggas walk away from Brooke Lopez respect alright man we gonna take it back you know what I'm saying basketball you know what I'm saying Marquette legend games. Niggas ain't trying. Everybody else, look, niggas walk away from Rick Lopez. Respect. Hey, man, we're going to take

it back then, you know what I'm saying? Basketball, you know what I'm saying? Marquette, legend. How did you decide to play at Marquette? I know you had a couple different offers, you know what I'm saying? Man, actually, it was crazy because I'm from Madison. So, like, all you know is Badgers. That's it. So,

I'm in the state, in the city. Grew up between Madison and Milwaukee and had no idea Marquette was even there. Damn. That's how Badger State it is. So I didn't really start hearing about Marquette until D-Wade took them to the final four. D-Wade, Travis Diener, Novak, all those guys. Elite. So that's when Marquette started becoming national.

My mom was like yo you gotta start paying attention to this so i started watching them a little bit and then the letters started coming and the recruiters started coming and honestly uh it was who i was going to come in to marquette with is what got me there you know you know crereen did a great job of recruiting myself, Jarrell McNeil out of Chicago and Dominique James, who I know y'all know. Yeah, Indiana. He's, he like had us all tap in with each other at an early stage of the recruiting process. So like I would keep up with Neek's games and Neek would keep up with Rail's games. Rail's looking at my games and, you know, Kreen calling and saying, hey, Dominique just had 41, 8, and 7.

Knowing that I got a game the next night. You know, what am I going to do? Yeah. You know, that kind of stuff. So, like,

it was that, the thought of competition that got me to Marquette. Hey, man, Kreen, say what you want. I've always been a hell of a recruiter, though. Because even in them IU days,

You had them rolling. Nah, for real, for real. Like, you saw Victor Oedipo over there. Yeah. And put some squads together at IU. a recruiter though because even in them IU days he had them rolling. Nah, for real, for real. Like he saw Victor Oedipo over there and put some squads together at IU but man, that's crazy. Dominique, hey,

you know what I'm saying? You grew up playing against Dominique in open runs? Yeah, I did. I think he was all Big East when I was in high school and he came back.

No, I was in college. I was a freshman after my freshman year in college. He came back to play and my high school coach. I was a freshman, after my freshman year in college. He came back to play. And my high school coach was his uncle, cousin, one of them.

And he came back to play at my high school. So, you know, everybody's like, y'all going to match up. And he's like, he's going to bust your ass. He's going to get on your ass today. So I'm coming.

I come a little late. I'm stretching. So I walk on the court. My little brother in eighth grade, my brother Marcus, and he out there frying, cooking Dominique. I love Dominique. His mom good people, too.

But he was frying him, talking about cooking him. And I'm like, oh, shit. So he come to me after the game was like, your brother ready for the league. I was like, eighth grade. He looked at me. He was like, what? You don't go to weight? I was like, no, the guy go to weight. He was like, oh, damn. He looked at me, he was like, what? You don't go to weight? I was like, no, the guy go to weight.

He was like, oh, damn. He thought it was you? Oh, damn. The rest of the time, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm about to cook this. You think my brother good? Oh, it's just weight. No, but that's my guy, man. He good people.

No, don't. He was cold, especially when he had a pro ass popping in the city to see him back come in. Yeah, he used to give niggas work, man. So athletic. That was, that was the thing where it's like, that jumped out

when I saw him first. You know, he literally shit, you know, but built this all, this muscle and, but take off.

Touch the sky. He made plays. He made, he made some plays. That had a hell of a bad court. That front, that three guard. Something like them. The only people that I ever seen play three guards court that front that three guard something like that the only people

that I ever seen play three guards like that was Villanova with Alan Ray now so the fact that Kareem like how did y'all like did y'all say alright nigga

this your night or did y'all just go off the feel of the game man honestly like that's funny that you said that because that's so our freshman year

he took us to the garden for media day we were the only freshman to do it so it was me Rail Neek and he brought Novak as well

and so we at the Media Day and Alan Ray we see Nova oh shit damn man cause you know how

all the teams all the teams they there and they send whoever to represent so he intentionally had us go there to see

like cause it was Alan Ray Randy Foy Curtis Sumter Mike Nardi and then whoever to represent. So he intentionally had us go there to see like, because it was Alan Ray, Randy Foy, Curtis Sumter, Mike Nardi, and then Lowry. So that's who we wanted

us to see. Man, I'll tell you, when we played them, they whooped our ass. We wasn't ready. We tried. Nah, niggas don't know

how good Alan Ray was. Bro, that was... Or randy for you randy he was like the player of the year he was nice like he was like i think he might have been the biggest player of the year that year okay it was nasty man i remember that was my 506 year right yeah that was my matchup and that was like you can you know how you can pinpoint like moments in your life your career like okay this is a learnings tool right now. Like,

I can either, it's sink or swim time now. Like, cause this motherfucker just put his shoulder in my chest and I couldn't do a damn thing about it.

You know? I ain't gonna lie, bro, I kept that vendetta all through the league. Whenever I started ready for it, the league too.

What? He ain't never know that. Y'all think he's the old grinch that you got to? Hey, I love Brady though. He ain't never know that. I love Randy though. I love Randy though. He ain't never know that.

But I swear, I'm like, I don't like the way you did that. You were Reggie Jackson, bro. You were Reggie Jackson. That's how I feel about Reggie Jackson, bro. I don't like that you did that. Hey man, it wasn't no bitch.

Your boy Ruby, he peacing it up. Everybody kept tagging us. I was like, damn Jeff, get him on a pod. Oh, he retired. Yeah, he stepped down. Shout out to him, man. Jeff, get him on a pie. Oh, he retired. Yeah, he said he stepped down.

Shout out to him, man. Good luck to him. Oh, yeah. Yeah, shout out to him. Great career. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes.

But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.

I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.

I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding

of what this quote-unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Caramouch.

What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there's so many stories out there. And if you

can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Who was your toughest matchup? Me? At Marquette. At Marquette? Outside, I know the four experiences. Yeah, right. Man, I mean, every night, though.

Big East was real, dude. That was real Big East. That UConn was Rudy Gay. Oh, shit, you did play Big East. That was Hilton Armstrong and all them. Big Hilton. Fucking Hilton Armstrong. Cincinnati had Eric Hicks, Devin Downey, James White, dude, jumping from the free throw line and all them. Big Hill. Fucking Hill and Armstrong. Cincinnati had Eric Hicks, Devin Downey,

James White, dude, jumping from the free throw line and all that. Knuckles wasn't there yet, was he? He played against Marcus Williams. Knuckles was there,

wasn't he? Marcus Williams was there. He played Devante, who else? What the fuck is Knuckles' name? Devante Vaughn. Yeah, Devante Vaughn.

I'm tripping on a big team, man. We already talked about Nova. Syracuse had Dievendorf and all them. Paul Harris. Paul Harris. Louisville.

We saw Taekwondo. Francisco. Garcia. Shots of Sosa. Don't say Edgar Sosa on this podcast. Nah, I'm fucking with Edgar. Louisville was probably

the weakest team in the Big East should we have Earl Clark then Earl Clark they had T. Will free T. Will nah that was hard

I'm hating I'm hating damn Paul if y'all did play it might have been Georgetown it might have been Georgetown

Jeff Green I was gonna say Jeff Green Big East was nasty Jeff Green Roy Hibbert damn I forgot they was there at the same time.

Did you have a guard Jeff in that game? DeJuan Blair. Yeah, that's my man. That's Pitt. Pitt was nasty. No kneecaps. DeJuan, that note, Sam Young. Sam.

Ooh. Ugly shot, fake in the league, but that shit was a fake. Jumping for it, though. Sam Young, Sam. I do remember him. He was a pacer at one point, unfortunately. Sam Young. That was Wayne, yeah.

I seen Sam Young in a draft workout. Shout out to Uncle Jeff. Cook. Niggas, bro. I'm talking about we had a draft workout. It was my first draft workout. They had us work out first

and he came the next one. You know, you just sit there and watch. Yeah. I swear to God, he had to score 17 times first. Sam Young? Yeah, I was like,

he was like that, dog. Man, who is this nigga? I thought that nigga was 35, nigga. We was in college. He's definitely Morgan Freeman. Bro, who is this nigga? I thought that nigga was 35. He's definitely Morgan Freeman. If we had the same age, he could get to it, bro. Nah, for real. He could get to it.

That's a hard question for you to answer, bro. We just listed 30 niggas. That was cold. I forgot you played against that UConn. What's my other? AJ Price. AJ Price was there. Adrian.

Jeff Adrian Yo They had a wit Was Marcus Williams still there Yeah Remember the team The Johnny Flynn team That played against

Louis Or UConn In the guard For like Seven overtime Damn what was the light skin Nigga on that team That played with

Johnny Flynn Nah it was Andy Robbins My father Y'all remember Scotty Reynolds Hell yeah Bill and I Come on man You talking to this Yeah Yeah Nah we know Our hoop shit bro with Johnny Flynn. No, it was Andy Robbins, my father. Y'all remember Scotty Reynolds? Hell yeah. Villanova legend.

Come on, man, you talking to this hard? Yeah. Yeah, no, we know our whole shit, bro. That's it. So I would say Rudy or Jeff. No, that's a tough matchup.

Damn, you had a tough matchup. Now we got to piggyback on that. You know what I'm saying? You've been in the league a long time. What's your hardest league matchup? Who was the person that gave you,

like, damn, I got to get ready because shit might get spooky. Man. So, R.P., I'm going to say the Mamba. First.

Saw him. That shit. I mean, you look back at that shit now and you're like, I really guarded him. You know, I really guarded him. But then I also,

I won nights. You know what I mean? Like, he won nights, but I also won nights too. Damn. I respect. Earned that respect from him. so I won nights. You know what I mean? Like, he won nights, but I also won nights, too. Damn. And earned that respect from him.

Joe Johnson. Nasty. Joe. Nasty. ISO Joe. ISO, shout out. He was too big for you, Paul.

Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson. That was crazy. Yeah, that was crazy. I tried to act like this. That was still our time. That was it. Like, that was crazy. I tried to act like this. That was still our team. You like emphasized it. You went the new way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The best. I was just saying, car going to nigga 6A 245. That nigga damn near built like LeBron, bro. I would say. And then I'm trying to think of a little guard. Damn.

Shit. You was in the West too. Well, see of a little guard. Damn. Shit. You was in the West, too. Well, shit, his rookie year. Monte. Monte Ellis. This is Seppi Bullitt. Quick Monte. Monte going right.

All right. He's going right. And you got to cut it off. Flash D-Wade was tough, too, though. Yeah. When he was Flash. Yeah. But how is that, though?

Like, yo, rookie year, you know, you had an unconventional way into the league. You have a good career, great career at Marquette. You go undrafted. Yeah. What's that process like, you know, going through the whole draft process? What was that like? I was pissed. Honestly.

Like, I did, like, 13, 14 workouts. Okay. And then worked out with Steph. You know, we had Samuel. Remember Jack McClendon? Mm-hmm. Shout out to Jack. Jack, Samuel.

We all, you know, just competing all the time and felt great. Didn't lose a workout. You know, I know a lot of motherfuckers be saying, like, one-on-one, two-on-one. You know how the workouts go. I didn't lose a competition workout. So I'm seeing guys like, you know how to work out i didn't lose a competition workout so i'm seeing guys like you know and shout out to that great career danny green you know remember jonas jarebko damn sam young and again all these guys um that are on like in that same Georgetown. Yep. So like, I see them get drafted and

I'm like, damn. I was cooking. You know, I did everything I was supposed to. I did what I was supposed to do in college. I did what I was supposed to do in these workouts. And I remember my agent

brought it to me. He said, you have, we got two options. We have three options. He said, we got a job offer for you in Turkey for 160,000.

I don't remember what the other one was, but that was like 140,000. He said, or Utah called, and they want you to come into their summer league and fight for a spot. So I was like, I didn't understand at that time that if you didn't get drafted and like if you were drafted in the second round you still had to make the team i didn't know that

yeah so i was like okay uh what do i have to do he was like utah is in a situation where you know that was matt harper you know like he's probably gonna retire you know they drafted a big going to suton at the time and they were like they'd like you though so you can go in and show that you belong like you can go take that spot so I was like okay say less so I was in Utah like August damn early I was in Utah in August like as soon as I was done with school, I was out there. I was in hotels. Stayed up there.

All I did was went to the gym. Came back to the hotel. Sat up and laid until it was time to go back. Over and over and over. Just working. You was on the grind off the dribble. Just working. Just going, going, going.

And then Summer League started. I wanted to already be acclimated to the altitude. Had a Summer League in Orlando. Didn't go that great. Pressing. You know, want to do all the things that they say you can't do, it's pressing. Then I said, damn, you know what? Fuck it. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. Be yourself. Have a great game, roll my ankle. Sacramento called, said they want you in summer league in Vegas. I was like, shit, that's a blessing. Cool. Go out to summer league with Sacramento. I take that same mentality.

Like, damn if you do, damn if you don't. Play great. Sacramento. Utah calls again. Says we want you to come back to training camp. And I was like, all right. This is the second time they done doubled down. They fucking with me. I got to go get this.

Yeah. You know? Like, I got to go get this. So then I'm out there. I don't remember going home. I don't remember going home. I got to go get this. Yeah. You know, like, I got to go get this. So then I'm out there. I don't remember going home. I don't remember going home. I don't remember sleeping. I don't remember doing nothing.

It was just being. And that was it. And that's crazy because, like, you think about it now. Even second round picks or even some of them, I'm trying to forget, they coming in, they got straight to training camp down there. You had to fight to get to training camp. Yeah.

I had to get to training camp. And then the other crazy thing is so when I was on the roster or whatever, like, I had to check out at a hotel every single night

we went on the road. Yeah. I had to take my luggage. I only had two suitcases. I had to take it with me. Take everything with you. Take everything with you. Damn.

Because up until January 10th, I could have been cut. Yeah. Damn. So I'm checking out every single time. It's like every game, every practice. been cut. Yeah. Damn. So I'm checking out every single time. It's like every game, every practice.

I'm, practice is my game. Facts. So how you go from that to starting? Like, bro. Jerry Sloan.

Jerry Sloan. But that's what I love about him. He give people opportunity. Yep. Yeah. Shout out to Andre Owens. Yeah. Like,

honestly, I remember I was in the gym one time on an off day and Sloan came in and he had smiled. Like, honestly, I remember I was in the gym one time on an off day, and Sloan came in, and he had smiled. Like, he just, I don't know if y'all ever liked Sloan, but, like, he like, how you doing, son? I'm like, I'm good, coach. He's like, go home.

I'm like, you know, I'm a rookie. I'm like, I ain't going home. What are you talking about? I got to be here. He's like, go home. I was like, okay. Go back to the house, and I'm just rookie. I ain't going home. I got to be here. He's like, go home. I was like, okay. Go back to the house. And I'm just like, damn, I don't know what to do.

You know? And I think he just saw that. And then they ended up trading my guy, Ronnie Brewer. That broke my heart when that happened. Traded him. And then it was just opportunity. Like, it was just go. Like it was just go. And it was just like, that was just the mentality.

You just gotta keep going. Yeah. And that's something you can speak to shit. You never know when your moment happened, but when it happened shit, all that other shit that happened before, don't matter. You really gotta go play. You gotta go prove yourself. You get, you really get one opportunity in the league.

They like, everybody get that one moment and you gotta like seize that moment but if you don't that's when you get lost in the sauce like I seen a lot of people that go out there you know somebody

get hurt they gonna be out two or three games and them two or three games could be your moment to show like I'm ready and then you can

maybe crack the rotation or another team could see it and that's something they might pick you up in the summer for your agency

and that's kinda what happened to me really with Kirk getting hurt in the playoffs for your agency. And that's kind of what happened to me, really. With Kirk getting hurt in the playoffs. Got an opportunity to play. I remember that. Yeah.

Threw your ass in the fire. Fire. But that's you. He started in the West, though. You was in the West. Wing in the West. Hey, Mello. Mello.

In the playoffs. In the Mello. Come on. Yeah. That's tough. But that's the thing, though, is, like, you, like, never took, you never blamed nobody else. You know what I mean? It's just, like, it's hard to digest.

Like, it is what it is sometimes. But I just got to keep doing my job regardless and be ready. Because at some point, 82-game season is too long. Somebody going to get it. You know, something's going to happen. Opportunity. Life too long. Like, something's going to happen. Opportunity, life too long. Something's going to happen.

It's just, if you mentally prepared that I did what I'm supposed to do this day, then I'm ready for whatever happens. That's a fact. That's crazy.

I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.

Across the country, cops call this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened Cops believed everything that Taser told them. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glod.

And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This has kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.

Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush.

What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures, and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen.

What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And yo, you got the matchup against Mello.

We got one of my co-hosts, man. They think Mello is his favorite player. She's in Jersey somewhere right now. Talk about it. I'm always chilling. I'm loving about it, Wes. I'm over here chilling. I'm loving your stories, bro. I used to be talking shit, but we talking about Mellow now,

so I got to relax a little longer. Mellow's tough, bro. Mellow is one of the best. That's your toughest matchup, Wes. I can't say that. Yeah, it is. I mean, I got Prine, KD. I don't give a fuck about KD.

I had James. James who? James Harden. Don'tD. You know, I had James. I had James. James who? James Harden. Don't do that. Harden. Yeah, I respect him. But Melo, though, like, he's, that's what he do. He score.

He got you off the first step, or did he put you in a blender on the block? Hey, me and Melo fought, bro. He might have got the best of me, but I won matchups, too. Me and Melo competed. Me and Melo competed, bro. That's one thing you can say. Your favorite player respects me.

Oh, for sure. For sure. I know you had to get somebody at cooking though. Oh, for sure. I remember in the garden where he had 50. I was with Portland.

Yeah. He had 50. I don't know. He might have hit two threes. Damn. You know how when you catch a he start he back jab and look down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's already up. He scored 50 off no threes too before. Was it? He got another game. Yeah, he do. Yeah. He do. That's like saying, you know what I'm saying now?

Like, he really be dropping 40 balls and maybe shoot two threes. Yeah. He different. All right, so before we move on, how many of that 50 was on you? I probably had like 17. You're a real was on you. I probably had like 17. You're a real nigga, bro. I probably had like 17. Hey, but I ain't go back.

I ain't go. You score, you got to do it again. Nah, for sure. You got to keep going. That's how it's going to be. I respected you because you played D and you had a fucking burner too. Well, you got a burner. You still in the league, but yeah.

You started that shit. All this. That arrow shit. Oh, you don't need your credit for that Oh, you don't need your credits. You need your royalties, nigga. You need, hey, 2K need to pay you extra. Nah, nigga, we tapped in. I got low-key hot when I saw 2K.

I said, 2K, that's the damn thing. You started that shit. I remember the first time I seen you do it, I said, that shit hard. 2K. You need some royalties on that shit. Niggas, oh, but they be like that sometimes. It's cool,000,000. $6,000,000 and $2,000,000. Yeah, they need that. You need some royalty. That shit. Niggas, oh. But they be like that sometimes. It's cool.

It's cool. They don't. Real ones know. That's all. That's enough of me. Yeah, I was like, damn, that shit tough. You know what's scary? We just talking about Melo.

But nowadays, when you say Melo, you never got to clarify it with the young kids. And I don't like it. Oh, like Melo Ball? Yeah. Depending on the age, though. Nah, it's only one Melo. It's Melo. Melo. He love Melo. Yeah. Yeah. He love Melo. He love Melo. oh like mellow ball yeah depending on the age though nah it's only one mellow it's mellow mellow he love mellow

yeah yeah he love mellow he love mellow they ain't mellow next time you the factor when you say mellow they gonna be like

the light skin killer they ain't talking about the real one that's crazy your kids on your team fuck around say mellow better than carmelo

they might say some stupid shit they might that's the problem. That's why we ain't with a goddamn game. What you do when they say

something like that? Probably start benching these guys. You got the chance to play with D. Will. I mean, a lot of people understand how cold

he was. You know, younger guys, they don't understand, bro. He was different. It was D. Will or CP3. That was an argument for a, younger guys. Yeah. They don't understand, bro. He was different. It was D-Will or CP3. That was arguing

for a long time here, bro. Man. He got to play with D-Will at his prime. He could control the game. That was one thing. Like, he really understood, like,

I'm going to go get this bucket or I see what the defense is doing. Yeah. And I'm going to get us a bucket. That's a fact. Like, he had that. And then he had the matchups that he took personal.

That's when it was fun. He used to cook. He took that personal. Nash took that personal. J. Kidd took that personal. If anybody, them top five PGs, like, I know he going to show up tonight. He used to cook.

That right to left, back to the left to right. What? Let's just shoot the ball. I ain't going to lie, though. I love D. Will. D. Will my guy. If you ever see it, you can text me about it. That's cool.

He ain't going to see Johnny Flynn, though. Oh, Johnny Flynn used to cook him? Johnny Flynn. Minnesota days? We did not beat them. Damn. We couldn't beat them, bro. Johnny was nasty though

That's all I'm about to say With Wesley Johnson Yeah yeah That Wolves team though How the fuck y'all ain't beat them We couldn't beat them bro They was a bad team Pekovic

He was strong He was strong Pekovic K-Love was over there That was my favorite 2K team Them niggas was cold on 2K When did they get Kevin Martin They had K-Mart

That front part was nasty with them too cold on 2K. When'd they get Kevin Martin? They had K-Mart. That front part was nasty with them two. That's probably why I didn't win and I couldn't get a fucking rebound. Bro, we had Boozer.

Yeah, Boozer. With them two down there. Shit, they was both double-doubles. Y'all hear me say them niggas was still a little bit. They had Booze,

Millsap. But Millsap was probably eight, seven rebounds. Shit, that's what he do was rebound. That nigga Kevin Love was getting 70 rebounds. I don't respect Paul Millsap was probably eight, seven rebounds game. Shit. That's what he do was rebound. That nigga Kevin Love was getting 17 rebounds. I don't respect Paul Millsap. Oh, yeah.

We know Paul Millsap was cold. If Melo caught a body on him, you were probably the taker. Hey, I saw that. Off the one step. He turned it over, too. He threw it to him. I was like, I was on the back. I was on the end. I know exactly where I was, too.

I checked in that game in the third quarter. We were in the playoffs. I was watching that. I said, oh game in the third quarter. We were on that for playoffs. I was watching that. I said, oh, my God. This is the NBA. That was my first NBA game, bro. Damn.

That was my first game. Damn. I remember that. And Melo dunked the hell out of Sapp. I'm like, damn. Cut that up, Luis. It was so effortless, though. It was just like, OK. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, because he thought he was going to travel. Yeah. It was just like, okay. I was like, oh, shit.

Yeah, because he thought he was going to travel. He was trying to outlay, and Mello kind of jumped it. I'm like, sap note. Now you're on a poster forever. And that's when he was saying, I'm back. He was going through all that scrutiny or whatever. That's something we for. He was on a mission.

So playing with D. Will, though, did you just have to spot up and be ready to shoot? That's it. That's it. That's it. And I couldn't even shoot. That's the thing.

Like, I was a slasher, energy, all that kind of stuff. So like, honestly, it wasn't until Jeff Hornacek because I had Kyle Korver

was on that team. Okay. So, they would sub me. So when I started playing, I was playing because I was guarding. I was energy, all that kind of stuff.

But then like Kobe and all them guys, they would guard me, obviously, and sag off because they weren't worried about me shooting. Right.

So then that's when they would sub, put Kyle in, so he was more of an offensive threat. So Hornacek's like, you want to stop coming out the game? I was like, hell yeah. He's like,

you got to learn how to shoot. I said, all right was like, hell yeah. He was like, you got another round to shoot. I said, all right, let's do it. So every morning, I'm shooting on the gun with Jeff Hornacek. Every single morning. Never beat him. Never beat him. But then, you know, the game start coming around, start feeling confident.

I'm wide open. Catch it. Boom, hit one. Boom, hit another one. Now they got to close out to me. Now I can start doing what I want to do. Slash and all that stuff. And then now, like you said, that's how I started starting, which is adding stuff

to the game. But I had to have someone that saw it for me, too. So, shout out to Jeff Hornacek. I tell him that every time I see him. For sure, man. Obviously, that shit working is crazy. This even happened, because last episode, we mentioned you, because we referenced you. It was just like, that shit working is crazy. Like, this even happened because last episode we mentioned you because we referenced you

was just like, if you're not a lottery pick, you damn near better off being in a situation where you could be second round or undrafted because now, like for you,

your situation, you grinded to a point to where you got paid quicker than everybody else in your draft class. Yeah. Facts. I was one of those people

in that draft class. I was like, what the fuck? Right to it. Oh, man. You went to I was like, what the fuck? Right to it. Oh, man. He went to Dallas after that, didn't he? No, Portland.

He went to Portland. Oh, Portland. Yeah. Portland, that's when he really started shooting that motherfucker. That's when, oh. I'm like,

he letting it fly. Hey, for real, bro. Y'all was shooting threes. You and Nico? Two. Bro, y'all was letting them threes fly. Let them go.

And then got Dame. Yeah. Dog. I'm still mad at y'all was letting them threes fly. Let them go. And then got Dame. Yeah. Dog. I'm still mad at y'all, though. Y'all ended Kyle's streak. We played y'all in Portland. I took that person.

Bro, these niggas. He was in all out denial on Kyle. I was all day. I was like, what is he doing? I went 100. Kyle Farmer?

Yeah. Love, bro. I went 100% to him. And Kyle's my guy. I love Kyle. Our kids play together and all that stuff. I took that personal, though. He's like, he's not getting no three-disc.

But look, though, as a rookie one time, he had me pick one of his suitcases up one time. I didn't really feel like I had to. I should have. But I did it anyway. So, like, I swear, I told you. Like Randy Floyd. He marked that down.

I respect that, baby. Clip that up. so like I swear told you like Randy Floyd he marked that down I respect that baby just clip that up I love Kyle I'm like hey not tonight though hey you NBA niggas

are the pettiest people on earth he real petty for that Kyle had a street goal the whole game they beating our ass so the rest of the game we like we gotta get Kyle 3

we gotta get Kyle 3 bro they in all out of denial they up 20 he not letting get it I'm like They beating our ass. So the rest of the game, we like, we got to get Kyle three. We got to get Kyle three. No. Bro, they in all out denial. Bro, they up 20. He not letting me get it. I'm like, I know this streak

ain't about to end right here. I told Nick, I said, Nick, if he gets a three on you, I'm whooping your ass. Bro, they was in all out denial.

I told, I don't remember who our coach was at the time. I said, I'm playing every minute he plays. Bro, he was in all out denial. That's funny.

He was like, I was like, not tonight. I'm like, I'm doing everything to try to get him a three. Bro, yo, y'all was, that man's screams was illegal as hell. He doing like, I was like, damn. Not tonight. I'm like, I'm doing everything to try to get him a three. Boy, y'all,

that man's screams was illegal as hell. It didn't matter. Damn, before Draymond. It didn't matter. Facts. I don't remember

who y'all had. Y'all had Zaza, was it? Yeah, nah, we had, shit, I don't remember

who was on that team. How many years did you spend in Portland? We was a four, five. Yeah, five. Okay,

you had a good stint there. Great time too, man. Them fans was great. Yeah Yeah, five. Okay, you had a good stint there. It was a great time too, man. Them fans was great. Yeah, in fact, I had a great home court event. It was, it didn't matter who we played, didn't matter what our record was,

didn't matter what the other team record was, other than the Lakers. But they be doing that everywhere. Yeah. You know, but still, Portland wasn't, like, it was,

it was dope. Like, those fans, you know what I'm saying? You've been in a couple different places what's your favorite city you played in so far is it Portland

I mean for straight basketball yeah alright now fuck basketball what city was cracking what city was cracking I mean Dallas

I'm not gonna say Dallas I'm not making no more money shout out to Zion oh shit I love Dallas shout out to Zion. Oh, shit. I love Dallas. Shout out to my boy Z. Keep it all cool, fellas.

That's one of my favorite clips of them three niggas at media day. He was like, Dallas. I knew y'all was going to say that, too. Y'all was just going to break down the list of teams I played on. I was like, all right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we know.

Now, Dallas is fine. I tried to throw it out there early, but, you know, y'all caught it. This one, I knew he was real. So, you know me, I'm petty. I was trying to, like, talk shit. Not talk shit, but trying to, like, fuck with them in the game. And I went up to him one day, and this is when Luca, this is Luca first year. I'll never forget.

I walked up to Wes. I'm like, man, y y'all gonna let the white dude get the ball the whole game that's crazy he looked me dead in my face he said that motherfucker cold and didn't say nothing else

I was like I said oh shit I was trying to start some shit like man I know you ain't gonna let the white boy get the ball the whole game like that was gonna bother me

he looked at me like that motherfucker cold. I said, oh, he must be nice. Next thing I knew, I said, oh,

let me shut the fuck up. He different. I'll never forget that, bro. I was like, I'm not going to say that to him. Maybe he was trying to get the ball or some shit.

Hell no, he cold. He came, as soon as he came in, like, to practice and shit, you kind of got to feel like, yeah, he the one. Yeah. It was as he came in, like, to practice and shit, you kind of got to feel like, yeah, he the one.

Yeah. You know how to do that. It was quick. I mean, he, I forgot what it was. We were probably just playing pickup. And I remember I was on the right corner. I was on this side. He comes down.

Bop, bop, whatever. Gets to the right, gets to the faint, like, text like the 45 or whatever. My man helps a little bit. Yeah. He at no point do we make eye contact. Like, at no point in the possession, he text like the 45 or whatever, my man helps a little bit. Yeah. He at no point do we make eye contact. Like at no point in the possession

that he just throws over his head straight to me. I'm like, okay. Yeah, he different. Yeah,

nigga different. He doing that stuff. You know, this was before he played an NBA game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. He see the court. Yeah, he different. So, that's why you talking to this goofy ass man. Yeah.

You know me. All right. All right. You know me. All right. All right. Go get it. React it. I'm slow. Shout out to H.H. Wade. I'm sure.

Fuck yeah. He just run them off. He got a long list of names for y'all. IEPT. Here you go, man. IEPT is crazy. Nah, but that's why I wanted to ask you too

like Luka playing with Luka that motherfucker is so big and slow bro like I don't know

how he be getting that shit off like do you know the trick like what's the trick to his game like I mean one

he's got his brakes like he's he's like James he's like James. He's like James where he can stop on a dime, change direction. His handle,

you're not taking it from him. No. One, he ain't been he carrying. One. But two, that's how the game go now. But like,

he know how to play. He doesn't, he's not like those 6'8", 6'9", guys that want to play 6'2". He's going to play 6'8 with a 6'2 skill set. So. That's a great way to look at it. That's a great way to look at it.

That's a great way to look at it. You got a future, man. He's going to be on TV. Nah, bro. I mean, shit, you got to ask. The people that play with Grave, you got to ask, because they're right there

with him every day. You know what I'm saying? And he understands situations. He's like, I got a little guard right here. I'm going to play post-up game. One, because I got a post-up game. And then two, I know that's the move. Like, all right, I got a little guard right here I'ma play post up game one cause I got a post up game

and then two like I know that's the move like alright I got a big up here okay I can break him down you know like he and then he know how to get fouled

too so like thinking about all the elite point guards you play with I know it's a tough thing to do but cause you

who you like cause you rank them like with Dame D-Will Luka Trey right now you know who you, like, because you rank them. Like with Dame, D-Will, Luka, Trey right now. Man, Trey right now.

You know who I'm going to throw in there that people ain't going to remember? You will. Andre Miller. Hell yeah. Cold. I'm putting Andre Miller up there, bro.

He cold. He understood the game. He understood the game. I didn't think it was cold. With a high-pitched voice, too. Hey, man.

He would break the game. Now, he like, one time he was like, hey, hey, Wes, I know you ain't got the ball

in a minute, but we got to throw the ball to LaMarcus Aldridge. So, we going to throw it to him, but the next time when you cut underneath the basket, I'm just going to throw it.

Just be ready. That's it. Like, he would read the situation. Like, he know, like, I'm not happy right now

and I go you know like I'm guarding I'm dogging the best player on it like damn I ain't got a touch like he be like

hey look I need him to keep dogging yeah get that man a bug I need him I need him to keep dogging I need him to stay engaged so he's like look

we been shooting a lot of threes we been jacking the ball up we need to feed big fella that's our bread and butter but like after that look I was gonna give you a touch that's real so like he be up there I'll say D-Will was up there we need to feed Bigfella. That's our bread and butter. But like after that, look, I'm just going to give you a touch.

That's real. So like, he'd be up there. I'll say D-Will was up there. Yeah. I mean, D-Will, Andre,

Dame, Luka, and Trey. I mean, Trey, that boy can pass the ball. He can pass like, oh my God. He can see that floor.

For being 4'7". He's good. He's middle as shit. Boy. I remember y'all was on the court at the same time. I was like, damn, that's the smallest backcourt. I'm 6'1", he's 6'0". He could pass the ball, though.

Like, I think him and Luka might be one of the more even trades I've ever seen in the NBA. Like, for what they do for their team. Like, talent-wise. And I hate when people say it's Luka because they feel like Luka's better I'm like I do know

that Trae Young did go to Eastern Conference Finals like that actually happened as the best player on the team Eastern Conference Finals Western Conference Finals like

yeah comparable points like obviously different situations but I mean very even Trae yeah

I don't know the breakdown between who's won more who's lost more but I gotta imagine I think people pick Luka more just because of he rebounds better

I mean he's a way bigger player I mean yeah but that's what I'm saying that's why that's why niggas is giving him the nod though

but I mean yeah but you got that's why I'm giving Luka the nod too but I'm just saying it's understandable and respectfully too y'all both been there Atlanta Yeah, but you got, I'm giving Luka the nod, too. I mean, irrespectfully, but. It's understandable.

Irrespectfully, too. Y'all both been there. Atlanta is a different market. For sure. If Trey Young would be on TV more, there would be different opinions about that. If Trey Young was in New York, come on, bro.

I agree. I mean, yeah, market definitely plays a role. For sure. No, because Trey nasty, and he. That nigga cold. He be having a great year. Like. You know. No, because Trey nasty. That nigga cold. He be having a great year. Like, down years for Trey is 24 and 11. You also get, like, that's the other thing is, like, I'm seeing, like, honestly with this whole team, like, there's just so much, there's so much there.

Like, we just got to continue to, you know, those habits of winning. Yeah. You know how that shit be hard. Like, because the hardest part about developing habits of winning is like, you're not going to win every time you try

and develop them habits. That's a fact. Damn. You know, every time you try, like, I did everything right. Everything I was supposed to do.

And lost. Lost. You know what I'm saying? That's life too. So it's like, how do you continue to do that shit over and over and over?

And that's the part where it's like, everybody's taking strides and that's like, I'm excited as shit. Like, I know we was talking about like Trey and Luke and all that shit, and over and over. And that's the part where it's like everybody's taking strides. So I'm excited as shit. I know we was talking about Trey and Luke and all that shit, but I'm excited about this team

and everything. It's facts, man. Atlanta got a special place in my heart. I'm always a Hawks fan from afar. And I used to work for them. On and off the court.

You got a little Marcus Aldridge story for us, bro. L.A. That's a big name we can't let go without, you know, speaking on for a few seconds. Why? What's that about? I just feel like he's probably, you know, shout out to all the bigs you play with,

but he probably the best. Yeah. I don't know bro I play with Giannis bro Yeah I did He ain't really a big bro What are we calling him then A fucking animal

I'm gonna pay 100% respect to LA Cause I love LA For sure Giannis who like he smoke turbo Blowing stuff bro Like that He's different Yeah He's different Y'all in this hoop like he smoked Turbo Blunts though, bro. Like that. He's different.

Yeah. He's on the West End. He's different. He smoked them trick-or-treating blunts. You talking about like a back-to-back? Yeah, I'm talking like a real post. Like a big post player. Yeah. Y'all just a cheat code.

Yeah, okay. You're traditional. You're last of the dying breed of the traditional. The power forwards. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because I saw Dirk on the back end.

On the back end, I know, right. But even though it was flashes and that, like, Dirk trained it, bro. Like, ain't no one love basketball more than him. That was crazy. But L.A.? Yeah. Because he could go get you a bucket.

Even when you knew he was going to do it. Yeah. He going middle. He going middle. He going to that. Or a block. Turn around, fade. He going to that block.

He bump, bump. Bump. he bump bump bump fade or his bump are you too light i'm going all the way to the middle that boy did not use his left hand at all every bro that's just crazy and activate the midi and that's what's so hard in the league know what you're gonna do you're not even about to use both but you can't stop me bro i'm not good i'm that nice he didn't seem like he was just that athletic like but he turning on when he needed to yeah like he had that he was a dog though like he was gonna go get it like he always played with an edge and a chip and that's why you know i gravitated towards him and i think that we had a chemistry too like he was a big reason watch why i got all them

threes because i was always post feeding. I'm like, I post feed. They go double. I'm like, come here. Come on. I'm late. Come on. Let me shoot this.

I love y'all Portland team, bro. When y'all got Dame, I say, yeah. Oh, we was cold at 2K. What?

Oh, yeah, y'all was crazy. We were cold at 2K. Y'all was crazy. I love y'all team, bro. We was cold at 2K. I was subbing out the big.

I was putting my, I was putting LA at the five and putting Baton at the four. Oh, my God. Baton at the four. Baton underrated, too. He used to strap niggas up. That's just who we're talking about, y'all. Strap up. We're your condoms, but I ain't talking about that, y'all.

If you want to. Strap up. If you want to. Respect. That was really good. I was just saying, Niggas with Tone used to really like

lock niggas up. The key about why we were good with that team is because like Nick allowed Dame to be naturally what he is, which was a shooting guard to take him off the ball.

Because Nick like, he would score if he wanted to. He was handling the ball. But like he wanted to facilitate. Yeah. So like, that allowed Dame to cut off screens,

me cut off flares, and, you know, Nick trying to throw them lobs. Or Nick won the games of, like, 8-8-8-8-8-8. Yeah. That's what he wanted to do. Bro, he was like the black

Hedo Turkoglu. Like, the way that he facilitated the offense and shit and could still shoot and do everything, bro, it was perfect. Yeah, he run that same fucking pick.

He got to it, though. Yeah, he run that same. No, I'm just, I'm missing. He was right. No disrespect. Nico was coming. Yeah, he run that same fucking pitch. He got to it, though. Yeah, he run that same. No, I'm just, I'm missing it. I'm comparing him to Boris Diaz. Yeah, I know. Nico was coming off that fucking high pick and roll chin action,

whatever y'all called it. Yep. Going right. And he was looking for people. I'm like, man, if y'all don't let this motherfucker go left one time, how you going right?

Not at all. Nah, they was fired on. Then y'all used to run that flare action. I hate, I swear to God. The chest action? Yeah, I remember they was trying to. What's that play? It's that flair action. I hate, I swear to God. The chest action? Yeah, I remember they was trying to What's that play?

It's like a flair screen. We would come off a pin down. Like I would run off a pin down from somebody. Pass it back to Dame. Flair. Then L.A. was flair over the top.

I would flair over the top. You could throw it over or whatever. I used to be Y'all used to have my nigga in the blender. Man, what? Blender.

I used to be like, listen, we gonna switch it. Then I would fuck up. Man, what? Blender. I used to be like, listen, we gonna switch it. Then I'll fuck up. Man, they had too much going on with that play. Oh, yeah. I hated that play, bro. Damn.

Oh, yeah. We was flying around. Yeah. I fucked with that team. Damn. That's crazy. So, you know what I'm saying? You said Dallas,

you know what I'm saying? You fucked with that. The lifestyle was there. You know what I'm saying? You played in L.A. How was that? I always wonder how it is to play in Los Angeles because I feel like it's a lot of pressure

just to play for the Lakers. That was COVID year, though. So it was completely different. Like, there weren't even fans and nothing like that. So it was just kind of like... Open gym. Yeah. It was open gym.

So, like, I mean, it was just show up, work when you could because, you know, you had to swab and all that kind of stuff. That shit was crazy. It wasn't, I ain't even really got nothing for you. Like, you know, we competed. Like, you know, it was the team's cool. Like, playing with Bron, like, you know, I got a lot of respect for him.

And, you know, all those guys. Keith, you know, Keith, one of the guys that really helped me, you know, through that. Just like. To the end. Yeah. Just like, you know, staying with it, you know, Keith, one of the guys that really helped me, you know, through that, just like. To the end. Yeah, just like, you know, staying with it, you know. But, like, seeing Bron's level of, like, attention to detail and stuff like that was pretty impressive. You know, he's doing what he's doing for a reason. It ain't my mistake. Like, he,

first one, taped up, you know, first one, ice bags on already, you know, ready engaged, ready for film and all that kind of stuff.

Like, he really cared about basketball. And so like, that kind of environment is cool. You know, for someone that feels that same way.

You know, like if you don't, if you don't, if you ain't cut with that cloth, it's a different You know, for someone that feels that same way. You know, like if you don't, if you don't, if you ain't cut with that cloth, there's a different story for you. Yeah, I probably wouldn't have made it in there. LA,

COVID year, Jeff Teague, parties. Yeah, I would have had COVID. I would have had COVID. Y'all be talking about me. Look at this nigga

playing with a serious matter I played in Boston that's why he called COVID cause he had a party he got a real COVID story that is a fact shout out to the birthday party that is a fact

I did have a birthday party he got COVID fuck you BK nah but Westman we appreciate you for coming on bro and sharing your stories and shit man

for sure for sure appreciate you I appreciate y'all I appreciate y'all this shit was fun I'm glad y'all had me for sure

good luck the rest of the season man unless y'all play the Pacers you know what I'm saying I hope you kill but I hope y'all don't win if y'all play us but everybody else

I hope y'all go crazy hey we're gonna be back next week same time same game like share subscribe all that good shit we'll see y'all go crazy. Hey, we're going to be back next week. Same time, same game. Like, share, subscribe, all that good shit. We'll see y'all next week. Club 520.

Hi, I'm Sarah Spain, host of Good Game with Sarah Spain and the co-author of the new book Runs in the Family, an incredible true story of football, fatherhood, and belonging written with and about Las Vegas Raiders running backs

coach Dylan McCullough. It's the story of a football coach and father of four who sees his life forever changed by the unsealing of his adoption records. And it's got a twist you won't believe. Based on the viral ESPN story I did a few years ago, this book will blow your mind and bring you to tears. Buy Runs in the Family wherever books are sold.

I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. Listen to Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glott. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast.

Yes, sir. Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports. This kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We met them at their homes. We met them at their homes. We met them at their recording studios. Stories matter

and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast.