Club 520 Podcast - Club 520 x The OGs - Jeff Teague and Udonis Haslem on Paul Pierce beef, Top 5 NBA players all time

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

Jeff Teague and the Club 520 crew link up on a special collab with The OGs Podcast in Indy! Udonis Haslem GOES OFF on his beef with Paul Pierce and breaks down the Miami Heat and Boston Celtics rivalry. Plus, Jeff Teague and the guys give their official Top 5 rankings for best NBA players of all time. And Teague and Haslem get into some NBA stories from back in their playing days. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I appreciate y'all having us, man. Appreciate y'all having us. This y'all town, man. I appreciate y'all having us over here, man. You know, you got to tap in. You don't just go to different people's city. You got to tap in. No piggly wiggly.

No piggly wiggly. With a piggly wiggly. With a piggly wiggly. But you got to tap in. So I appreciate y'all hospitality. Appreciate y'all having us. And your show's dope yeah appreciate it

for real like elite man how y'all come up with Club 520 what does it mean well I guess I could say I got like a little

miniature club in my basement at my house everybody in Indianapolis probably know you said miniature it's miniature it's miniature

it ain't miniature listen it's miniature. It's miniature. Listen, it's cheap to live here. That's why I live here. But, no, I got a miniature club in my house, and we had a night one night, and it's a sign in my house that says Club 520. And it just all kind of happened like that. We was in the moment. And he was like, man, just call it Club 520.

And that's how it came about. And now the All-Star game's here. You played the All-Star game. For sure. I didn't. We ain't got to worry about no shit like L.A. out here, man, just call the club 520. And that's how I came about it. And now the All-Star game's here. You played the All-Star game. For sure. I didn't. We ain't got to worry about no shit like L.A. out here, man. Them motherfuckers be going in your pockets out in L.A. with the All-Star. They got these motherfuckers out here going in your pockets. Nah, they sure.

They didn't tell you when the All-Star was in L.A. when we first got in the league. Yeah, yeah. Be careful out here. Yeah, yeah. Every time you come to L.A., I forgot the dude. Now he tell you to watch out for it. He get your chain, get everything. Magic.

He magic. There you go, boy. Now you ask. Get all your shit in L.A. with the All-Star for it. He get your chain, get everything. Magic. Be magic. There you go, boy. Now you ask. Get all your L.A. All-Star when we was coming up. Everybody watch out for them boys when you go to L.A. You don't have to worry about it. Things I don't have to worry about. Nah, but here we

love stuff like this. We love stars. We love seeing people. We like want to have them here. We love embracing people when they come to the city. You walking around the city, they going to go crazy. Oh! They going to get out their car. They going to stop.

Yeah, that's just how it is. I guarantee when they say, hey, Piggly Wiggly, you thought for a second, you're like, damn, should I go to Piggly Wiggly? You thought about it. See? How long y'all know each other? I joined their podcast, really, because they invited me on one time,

and I had a ball, and I was done hooping. I'm like, yo, let's do that. I asked him to do a shoe podcast. And then it just all kind of happened because I knew him. Me and him been fooling forever. Yeah. Yeah. We be outside, and me and him went to high school together.

So, like, it's all just kind of happened naturally. High school. Yeah. You coach, right? Yeah, I coach. Hey, bigger than the All-Star game. We got a big game tonight. No, don't talk about that game.

We got a big game tonight. Jeff Popovich. Nah, we do got a big game. There he is. Yeah, start calling me that. Coach. Start calling me JP. Not Jordan Poole.

Look, it's real JP. Yeah, it's rough. It's rough right now. It's rough right now. Nah. Not Jordan Poole. Real JP. Yeah, it's rough. It's rough right now. It's rough right now. No, it's rough at Pike. Listen, no, I do coach high school basketball. And I coach my old high school. And it's been great.

But we sad as hell. Hold on. Someone said Pops is your assistant coach? Yeah, my Pops is the assistant. Wow. I owe it to my little brother's assistant. And then all my homeboys from high school that played on that team with me. That's love. We're just trying that team with me. That's love.

We're just trying to bring it back. That's love. Team any good? Hell no. I keep it real. We not good. So this is year one? This is year one.

So y'all got to go out and recruit. You know that's coming. All right. Hey, different squad next year. Who the fuck don't want to play for you in this city? They blocked a lot of stuff, but we going to get it done this year. I'm trying don't want to play for you in this city? They blocked a lot of stuff, but we going to get it done this year.

I'm trying to be a Mike Miller. I'm an agent right now. You know how Mike get it done. Yeah, for sure. I coached high school one year.

Oh, yeah. I know. In Memphis. We won state. Really? Yeah. You know how you got it done, right?

Yes, it was. I coached them up. You bought all the best players. Oh, I had. Listen. Who was your player? I tell you, my attitude, I've always them up. You bought all the best players. Oh, I had. Listen. Who was your player? I tell you, my attitude, I've always said it. Hubie Brown was the smartest one I've ever seen.

X and O's give me Jimmys and Joes. Yeah. I ain't got to be a great coach. I want to work. Get out of the way. So who was on your team? My son. Nice.

We had a kid that went to Jarrell Colbert, who's now at Kansas State. Nice. Ahmad Noel, who just committed to UConn. Yeah. My son's at Creighton. Yep. I had another kid that walked on at Creighton, Xander Yates. Yeah.

Yeah, no, listen, I had a whip. I wasn't coaching. Yeah. Jay Matlock, who's really good, played for his dad in college. We had five Division I players. Now let's ask where my kids are going. Yeah. But y'all do it the right way, though.

They need help. These kids need help. My biggest thing or the reason I did it was, it's selfishly for my kids, but, like, they need to learn what it's like when you go to college because no one cares like it's not about that no more it's about the routines and the grinds and getting better like these things like it's it's a different now because people are you know the transfer portal we talk about on every one of our podcasts it's softening these guys up a little bit but they need some real they're like i ain't got the patience for them i know you don't

i can't do it i know you don't. I can't do it. I know you don't. I can't. It's hard. Can we ask y'all some questions since we're talking about college and going there? Mm-hmm. That's what we're here for. Y'all both went to Florida.

Yes, sir. I had a chance to play with a Gator myself. I got to play with Al Horford. He was a two-time champ. Eddie, Eddie, buddy. Yeah, that's my guy. But why Florida? Why Billy Dee?

I mean, for me, you know what I i'm saying i want to stay close to home i ain't never been nowhere far so i want to stay close to home and my homeboy went to uh uf brent right okay into my high school so the way it was set up was anthony grant was from miami he went to my high school as well he was assistant coach at florida so anthony grant from over town he's from the hood so i had a relationship with coach grant already. So for me, it was just more so trust. When you come from where we come from, you don't trust too many people. You don't trust nobody. So I actually had somebody in the college atmosphere

that I trusted and it was a black man. You know what I'm saying? So it was somebody who I looked up to, obviously. He went to my high school. So it was history there. And I just ain't want to go nowhere where it was snow. I ain't never seen snow. I ain't want to go nowhere cold.

You know what I'm saying? I'll see you this weekend, my boy. Now this man, go here. I just needed the money. Cha-ching. No, I'm just playing. Cha-ching. Cha-ching. I love the fact.

I love the fact. I'll fly, I'll fly, I'll fly. Cha-ching. To be honest with you, for me, they had an unbelievable team already coming in. We had a top three recruiting class in the country led by these dudes, you know what I mean? And so it came down to, for me, it was Kansas, Kentucky, and Florida.

And at that time, Florida didn't have it or hadn't done what Kansas or Kentucky did. I want to do something different. I've always been that way. And then when I saw these dudes that were going there, it was like, all right, we got a chance to come in here and do something else. So it was dope. And Coach Donovan was – we had a young – we had a really young group

that was coming in. Billy, love Mike. It was me and my me and my homeboys coming all of us come in the office one day look what you started

it's the truth it's the truth it's three of us me my homeboy Brent and my homeboy Major Parker God bless the day MP passed away from a heart attack

we walk in the office Billy see me me and my homeboys hey Brent hey Mike hey UD how you doing hey what's up coach

Mike walk in the office right after hey Mike hey Mike god damn we ain't. How you doing? Hey, what's up, coach? Mike walked in the office right after. Hey, Mike. Hey, Mike. God damn. We ain't just. So you was a chosen one.

Yeah. What? Oh, y'all had. What's my guy? He took his glasses off. Chosen? Oh, what's my guy, though? Y'all had the third person that came in with y'all. Teddy Dupay.

Dupay. Teddy Dufresne. Hey. Oh, he was way better than Mike. Oh, no. He got buckets, though. Way better than Mike. That's what he told Mike. That's what he told me. Oh, you rank higher than me Oh he was way better Than Mike Oh no He got buckets though Way better than Mike That's what he told Mike

That's what he told me Oh you rank higher than me I'm way better than you But he was crazy In high school Dead nice Yeah he was Yeah yeah

I watched a documentary About him Like maybe two weeks ago He was going crazy What did he average 40 or something Yes He broke the state

Scoring record He was 71 In a playoff game That's crazy No listen He could shoot Half court really Like a regular shot Yeah yeah 40th senior year. Yes, yes. He broke the state scoring record. He had 71 in a playoff game. That's crazy. No, listen, he could shoot from half court, really. That was the size of his phone. Like a regular shot. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? He was little. But he believed in himself, brother. I got a question, though. So that 99-2000, when y'all went through the shit, versus Michigan State, versus that 06-017 with Joe King. Ooh, that's a good question. I just saw Joe on the way over here.

I got them kicking your ass. Oh! That's a wrap. I mean, they are two-time champs. They're nice. They're nice. They was nice. They were nice.

I mean, they went back-to-back. They was good. I mean, I had the opportunity the first, after they won the first championship, I had the opportunity. Coach Donovan had me come out to Gainesville. And I did catch a couple games when they came down to Miami. But I had the opportunity to talk to Al and Joe.

And I told them I think they should stay in school. And that's when they came back and won another one. But talent-wise, they were good enough to go already. But my thing was, this was the best four years of my life. You ain't going to get this back once you leave. The NBA ain't going nowhere. And God's willing, y'all don't get hurt. Y'all gonna make y'all money. You know what I'm saying? Y'all gonna make

y'all money. They asked the wrong gator, because I told them get your ass up. Yeah, especially Joe. Hey, who ain't you? That was supposed to be the number one pick, right? Yeah. Yeah. God damn, you got some bad advice, bro. They still, but they still got their back. They got it done. And Heisman, you were right. Like, to go

back-to-back championships, it created a lot more stuff. Who goes back-to-back? Legendary. What about college? It's legendary. What about they didn't, though? That's what I'm saying. What about Joe King would have came back?

I got to believe that Lombardi speech I gave them boys. They had three top ten picks. Catapulted them boys. Joe, Al, and Corey Brewer were top ten, weren't they? Yeah, yeah. They was pretty. That's elite, man. I don't know.

Joe went 13, I think. Did they? Yeah, yeah. They was pretty. That's elite, man. I don't know what. Joe went 13, I think. Did he? Yeah, he was going from like. Yeah, he was lottery pick. I don't really be knowing when people get drafted because I ain't get drafted. That's your Indiana boy.

Yeah, so Greg and Mike, they've been here. Indiana boy. That's why you got a little sourpuss on. Yeah, I wanted the guys to lose so bad. Okay, we got some.

Y'all was hating on us like that? Man, what? Mike and Greg from here. Hey, bro, and they were. How crazy is that, what? Mike and Greg from here. Hey, bro. And they were. How crazy is that, man? That sucks for Greg Oden, too, man. Oh, man. I was actually just talking about it because Mike Conley was my rookie in Memphis.

Oh, nice. And to see where he's done and how he's still doing it. But Greg Oden was that dude. Nice guy. Nice guy. No. I hung out with that man one night. I said, never again.

That man drank some Carl Patrini. Tron and Hennessy. No, no. Yeah. I said, never again. That man drank some Carl Patron. Patron and Hennessy. That's some nap town shit. I said, nah, Jack. That's nap town. That's Esau nap town. I hung out with that one night. That boy said, yeah, let's get some of this Patron.

I said, what the fuck is that? That boy said, Hennessy and Patron. I said, that don't even go together. It don't. That sound like jail time. Outside of Patron, though, Mike Conley was a mother too, though. He is. We had to play them in high school.

We had to play them in high school. Yeah. Really. And my high school was really good. We probably had like five or six Division I players on our team. They played together in high school too, right? Yep. What?

They beat us every year, so we couldn't go to state. The team that coached against the Knights, they went to Lawrence North. Yeah. Yeah. That's a big rivalry since they days. Yeah. And Greg and Mike was the same people they are now. Greg was the same people they are now.

So Ohio State's NIL package back in the day must have been elite. I know y'all got paid. I've been trying to ask Greg for the longest. Man, how much they gave you? Man, for real? They was about to go to Wake Forest. Can you believe that? I was about to ask you.

Why Wake Forest for you? My mom. I'm going to keep it real. Yeah, keep it real. How the hell did you get out of here to go to Wake Forest? I was going to Indiana. Yeah. Eric Gorham decommitted from Illinois to go to Indiana.

But his bag was bigger than mine. So my mom was like. Everybody got paid but us. You a goddamn lie about us, my ass. Don't you do that. Don't you do that because I'll tell it. Go ahead. I'll tell it. I'll tell it.

His bag was bigger than mine, man. I don't remember who the coach was like because I ain't calling no coaches out, but yeah, my mom was like, we're going to go somewhere

where they actually care about you. So I went the way for it. Hey, listen. I'm going to tell it. No, you ain't going to. I got time today. All right.

We're sitting in the room. We had a road game. Knock on the door. You know, you got to share rooms in college. Yeah. We got these little double beds. So I'm just laying on the bed. Knock on the door.

This is my roommate. He get up. He go to the door. No words. Nobody say nothing. Complete silence. You remember the old school toothbrush holders? You put the toothbrush in and you open it up.

That came back in the room. Had a toothbrush holder. Open the mother full of money. I say, Jack, I don't want to know where you got it from, but cut me in or cut it up. That mother came back in the room, had a toothbrush holder, opened the mother, the mother full of money. I say, Jack, I don't want to know where you got it from, but cut me in or cut it out. Listen, I don't want it.

It's none of my business where the mother came from. I don't care. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes people get killed for information, so keep it to yourself. But all you got is cut me in on a couple of duckies. These are lies, bro.

I ain't no mother fucking lie. I ain't no mother fucking lie. Listen, I ain't hurt nothing. He went home, man. He just lied to y'all. To this day, I still don't know who dropped that. He ain't told me nothing. Which one?

Yeah, which one? Let me hear it. Listen, man, you try. I ain't trying to incriminate nobody. Listen, I don't know who these people still got jobs, man. Hey, man, listen, man. Hey. I'm just saying, tell them the story.

Tell them the story. I ain't going to say the school. Thank you for having these stories like this, and it meant something. Now, it is what it is. Yeah, I ain't going to say the school. Listen, them having these stories like this, and it meant something. Now it is what it is. I ain't going to say the school. Them little bit of crumbs that you had in that toothbrush holder, you might have couldn't have been that much because it's only this big. These motherfuckers are getting stacks and racks.

I know. That's why you're saying it. Yeah, for sure. Deposits now, they ain't even hiding. Like Deion say, 50,000 for a walk-on. I want to hear this story, though. That's what – so I go to a school with my assistant coach from high school. He take me up there.

We in the room. He talking. And the coach was like, yeah, I got some gear for you. But let me go out. I got to go real quick. He leave the room. We looking at the gear. There's like 50,000.

I look at my coach. I'm like, oh, my heart beating fast. I ain't never had no money. So I'm looking. I'm like, my coach, he really heart beating fast. I ain't never had no money. So I'm looking. I'm like, I like this kid. My coach, he really ain't had no money. He like, you coming here or what? What you doing?

I'm like, hey, I don't know. My mama and them. I got my mama. He's like, no, this is where you need to be. So I'm like, fuck it. So he looked at me. He was like, they ain't going to tell on us. Man, he took about, I ain't going to lie, he took about $10,000.

I'm like, I'm scared. Like, damn. They ain't going to tell on us. He's like, what they going to do, tell on us? Yeah, well, I ain't gonna lie, he took about $10,000. I'm like, I'm scared. Like, damn. They ain't gonna tell on us. He's like, what they gonna do, tell on us? Yeah, well, they can't. He was, I'm gonna give you $1,000 when we get in the car. And when I got older, I started thinking about, like, this bum ass nigga. Yeah, you know.

Hey, you gave me $1,000. It was $50,000. The whole other 49? I still, hey, I seen him the other day. I'm still mad at him about that. He needs to come work for me now. Yeah, he gave me $1,000. The real. The real should ignite. He, he gave me a thousand. The real.

The real should ignite. He put you in a 360 deal. Definitely did. Risked my eligibility for him. But it's all good. My pops. I didn't take no visits. I committed to Florida early.

God bless them. My pops passed away. My mom tweeted me for two weeks because I committed to Florida. Where you wanted to go? She wanted a bag. You ain't came home with no money, Jack. You ain't even try. You just committed early and just stuck with that.

My pops like, you ain't going to take no more visits. You don't want to look at nothing else? You don't want to try nothing else? Nah, I'm here. This is where I want to go. My parents speak to me for two weeks. Did Miami recruit you? Yeah, everybody recruited me.

USF want to cash you out. You're absolutely right. One of my boys, BB Walton. BB, I know you got it, boy. You got it. I'm tapped in you out. Yeah. Woo. You're absolutely right. One of my boys, B.B. Walton. B.B. I know you got it, boy. You got it.

I'm tapped in, bro. You got it. You remember? What made Florida, though? Like I said, it was just a pipeline. It was a pipeline,

like I said. Anthony Grant went to Miami High with my high school. Andy from the hood. Money didn't sway you no way? Huh?

The money couldn't get you? Nah, man. Anthony Grant was a hard coach, though, but he don't play. Yeah. I had some dudes that went to Mount Verde. I was getting recruited by him.

He said, he don't play. Yeah. But that's you, though. Yeah, we needed that. I seen you. We needed that. Some of them heat games. You confrontational to the money.

He's confrontational. That's what he's here for. That's all he wants. He don't want this. He don't want this. I'm just competitive. I play with Jimmy Butler. I'm competitive. Here we go.

I play with Jimmy. Jimmy my guy. I love Jimmy. You're one of the few people I've seen go at Jimmy like how you went at Jimmy. Me and Jimmy speak the same language though. Yeah, I do. We speak the same language. I do.

The next day, me and Jimmy was drinking coffee playing dominoes. I can see that. That never happened. You know what I'm saying? It was over. You know how it is growing up in the hood. You fight with your homeboy, and the next day, y'all at the park playing basketball together. Yeah.

You move on. I always love that about y'all. Like, y'all team is like, y'all could talk to each other on the court. Like, even when Bron was there, I used to hear y'all yelling at each other. I used to be like, oh, we got him. I was like, we got him. And the next thing I know, I'm like, he's clapping hands.

That's what it was in Atlanta in the playoffs. Yeah. I thought y'all had us. Don't worry about that shit. I thought y'all had us. Stop that, man. We can talk about that for a minute. Why not?

Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Y'all thought y'all had us. We never thought we was. When I played y'all, I remember one year we thought we was going to beat y'all. I remember when we had got Jamal Crawford.

I think it was the second. First or second year. Gosh, Jamal Crawford. They had a crazy backboard. We thought we was going to beat the Bulls and we was going to get to you guys. And we got them. We match up well. And we got Joe.

We got Josh. We got Al for the forwards. I remember that. I was like, Mario came with me. That's how we felt. Like, Mario? Mario, what's wrong with that? We good. Better not let Mario hit us. Mario, what's wrong with that? We good.

Better not let Mario hit it. I know. I love Rio. I love Rio. I just said my dog. That's my dog. He's just competitive. But then,

we ran into D-Rose, MVP year. Oof. That's different. That was a different, that D-Rose. We didn't count on him. We had forgot.

Man, he lit us up, bro. I was guarding him worse I'm gonna leave it there that's the that's the thing

that sucks about this league man it's like you see D-Rose people forget how unbelievable he was amazing legend

legend legend listen it was hell guard now man that Bulls team was elite though sure

that Bulls team was elite we thought we was gonna beat them to get to y'all we forgot i'm like what the hell y'all forgot about them they're the number one seed yeah they were the number one seed that year that was record shit but we dropped off too though yes we did it really did that east was nasty back then because indiana was good i was about to say as a pacer fan i gotta talk about this talk about this. You know what I'm saying? I understood. You know what I'm saying? Y'all won those series.

But I would like y'all to speak. How was those series? Because those were really good series. I know it's the Pacers people don't talk about this a lot. But that Pacers, especially for those two years, that was a real rivalry. It was a really good basketball series. Listen, that was honestly who we worried about every year. Yeah.

We worried about the Pacers. We did. They was always like one or two. We were one worried about the Pacers. Yeah. We did. It was always, they was always like one or two, or we were one or two and then you had Boston in there.

You know what I'm saying? But we always worried about the Pacers. David West, big ass Roy Hibbert, Paul George, Ranger, Ranger,

Lance. Like we, we did worry about them and the first time we beat them we had home court advantage. So we kept reading in the paper that they were saying next year,

if they have home court, they can win it. They have home court. All we needed is home court. So that's what's stuck in our head. That's what's stuck in our head the whole season. So next year, they got what they wanted. They got number one seed, and we had number two. And they got home court.

And we made it personal because we had just remembered that they were saying that it made it seem like the only reason we won because we had home court. If we would have had home court, we would have won. Next year we get home court, we're going to win. Okay, now y'all got home court. Now what y'all going to do? Y'all team was cheating, though. Let's keep it real.

I remember when Bron came to Miami. Everybody was like, y'all, this is a week. I ain't going to lie. This is a week. I was in my third year. I was like, I don't care. I just want to hoop. I'm trying to get paid't, I didn't give a fuck. I was in my third year. I was like, I don't care. I just want a hoop. I'm trying to get paid.

But I remember Joe, I was at Joe Johnson's house. And he was just like, why would they do this? He's like, that's weak, man. Bro, he weak for that. Then I got older and I seen KD do it. And I was like, why would he do this? That's weak. But when y'all came together, that was crazy. And I thought you was leaving. I was hype as hell. I was like, why would he do this? That's sweet. But when y'all came together, that was crazy.

And I thought you was leaving. I was hype as hell. I was going to leave. I was hype. I'm like, they ain't got the glue. I was. They ain't got nobody. They ain't got no money.

I know. Because of him. But you got it back. See how I get blamed for everything? Because of him. But you always get blamed for getting that money. You know what I'm saying? He still get the money, man.

Oh, yeah. He does. He got the money, man. What I would say about that team is we all had to go through a process of nobody wanting to step on each other's toes. Yeah. Everybody wanted to make everybody feel comfortable. We had that training camp on the Army base.

I think that's when that happened. Bron went at D-Way. D-Way went at Bron. I went at CB. Everybody went at each other. And I think that kind of helped smooth it out. I really hate each other then, though. Because they had that on TV.

They had that on TV. I was watching. I was like, damn. Bro, it looks like Remember the Titans, bro. Yeah, I ain't going to say I hated Joe. I hated Norris Cole and Mario Chalmers. Because I was like, damn. And I think Pat Bell was there.

Yeah, Pat Bell was there. I was like, they lucky to know Mike. Like, damn. But I didn't know. Like, to be honest, to re-own them, their job was probably harder. Oh. D-Wade said their job was probably harder. Oh. D-Wade said this to me not too long ago.

He said, I didn't realize how hard your job was. A guy that comes into the game and not knowing how many shots or where he going to get his shots from, but you got to be ready. He's like, I never really thought about how hard it was to be in your position. He's like, me, I know I'm going to get my shots. I'm going to get whatever I want. I'm going to do whatever I want. He's like, I never thought about how hard it is for a guy

that don't know where their shot's coming from, don't know when they're going to get them, to still be ready. I thought about it the other day. It was like, that can't be easy. That was the most messed up part about our jobs really was that. Like everyone says sacrifice, sacrifice. Sacrifice is cute, man, if you know what the result's going to be. If you don't know what the result's going to be,

you sacrifice for nothing. There was some dog nights. Chris Bosh had the biggest sacrifice. He did. Chris Bosh had a big one. For sure. With great impact. He was. Chris Bosh had a big one. For sure. With great impact. Toronto.

It's Toronto, CB. But if his health doesn't, if he doesn't get the clots, though, like what they did for him there would extend his career forever because he never shot three. He came to us. Yes. Like, Spoh was so ahead of that small ball. Like, I'm telling you, CB, if he stayed healthy,

would have been still be playing. Everybody think that our most important player was Bron. Our most important player. Not our best player, but our most important player was CB. He was our most important player. For real? That's why I mentioned it, bro. If Bron went down, you could bring in D-Wade, and it's not the same player, but you're going to get similar results of what you're going to get out of the player.

Making plays, he can go for 30. We couldn't simulate it. We didn't have another CB. If that mother****** went down and he got hurt, we didn't have another one of those. And the way Spoh started using him, too, was impossible to guard. Like, he was shooting threes. Like, he was – That's why – That man was cold, brother.

He closed it out on threes as a big. That's what I'm saying. And that was back when no one did that. Pick a pop three. I ain't letting y'all do that. Al Horford was the first one. Hell nah. He was.

Hell yeah. Hell nah. Hell yeah. Listen, I love Al Horford. He's a gator, but nah. Nah, he was the first one Shooting threes How about Dirk Diggler

Huh Let's go with Dirk Nowitzki How about that Dirk was He was never a four I mean he was never a center He was always A small four

Power four Al was not a center Al was a center for us Listen Al we He the reason Roy Hibbert Had to retire Mmm

Oh We played the Pacers There's a couple reasons That Roy Hibbert retired I got some of that too We could make a long podcast had to retire. We played the Pacers. There's a couple reasons that Roy Hibbert retired. I got some of that too. We could make a long podcast like that. There's a couple reasons Roy had to get up out of there. I got some of that too. Yo, yo.

I'm just being honest. I love it. I love it. You got to think about it. We played them and I'll never forget. I watched the game back and one of the announcers was like, this is not a series. Doug Collins was like, this is not a series for Roy Hibbert. They're going to play five out.

And we started, like, with Bud, he was like, we're going to play five out. We're going to spread the floor and shoot as many threes as you can. I love that. Because we was the AFC. We didn't think we was, like, we weren't even trying to make the playoffs. We was trying to get Giannis. We were tanking to get Giannis. And literally, Lou Williams on our team, he was like, let's make the playoffs. We was trying to get Giannis. We were tanking to get Giannis. And literally, Lou Williams on our team, he was like,

let's make the playoffs. Like, the office. Like, they wasn't playing people or nothing. He was like, we going to the playoffs. And we end up making the AFC. And then Bud was like, let's just shoot as many threes as we can. And we played five out, and Roy Hibbert was up. Like, I was walking to the basket.

Like, he out there with Al and Pero. I'm just throwing it to him. Pero on to you. Man, we was five out. Mike Scott was five. We played all small guys. And that was the first time everybody was like, oh. And then they went on.

They beat us. We was up 3-2. Got nervous loss. In Atlanta, game six, we were scared as hell. Remember that? We was shaking. We up as hell. We was like, we was shaking. We have like eight,

like two minutes to go. David West was like, these don't know how to win. I'm like, we don't. I was like, we don't. David West took over him and PG.

We all over there looking like, damn, we go get seven, lose, whatever. But that was when a small ball first kick. I mean, for me, my situation, Roy, I ain't going to put that on Roy.

That was on the coaching. That's on Vogel. Vogel with that boot thinking I'm going to be the mother****** that's going to lose it for us. He's going to leave me open. So he's going to leave. That was a scout report. Yeah.

He's going to keep big Roy at the paint because Bron and D-Wade like to penetrate and get in the paint and get to the basket. And he figured Roy going to guard the basket. That's when everybody was big on that verticality rule. And Roy was big. He was great at that. Stand in front of that rim and jump up straight vertical. You can't finish over him. So I was going to be guard the basket. That's when everybody was big on that verticality rule. And Roy was big. He was great at that. Stand in front of that rim and jump up straight vertical. You can't finish over him.

So I was going to be always the outlet. I was always the outlet in that series. So the mother was really just letting me shoot. Like, that was going to be the game plan. That was disrespectful. That was disrespectful. Yeah, that was disrespectful. And then the thing about it is,

the mother tried it again the next year. The same scheme. What the fuck you think? I got worse at shooting? He can't do it again. Yeah, f***er tried it again the next year. The same scheme. What the f*** you think? I got worse at shooting? He can't do it again. Yeah, he can't do it again. Eight for nine on your ass again. Eight for nine.

All we needed was home court, UD. Eight for nine on your ass again. So I ain't going to put that on Roy. That was Vogel with that b***h. Paul, you're going to put that on Roy too. Yeah, I took that a little personal, Vogel. I mean, we all right now, but when I still see him,

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subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Y'all play with great players, obviously. D-Wade, Bron, you. But, like, who was the best player? Like, you had to say between all the players you played, who was the best? That I've ever played? Yeah, that you played with. And you, like, yeah.

Who was the best? Man, let me tell you something, man. I don't played? Yeah, that you played with. Yeah, who was the best? Let me tell you something, man. I don't have to second guess that one. It's got to be Bron. It's got to be Bron. But what I'm going to say this is, I watched D-Wade and Bron play one-on-one. I saw that game. Who won? D-Wade won that game. All right, so I'm disrespectful when I say James Harden better than D. Wade? Yeah, that's crazy. Hold on, hold on.

We got some – we're getting to that. We're getting to that. But I'm just saying. I got to ask you a bunch of – Hold on, hold on, hold on. You're disrespecting Michael Jackson too. We're going to get to that. Please don't.

No, no, we got to get to that. We're still suffering from that. We got to get to that. We're getting to that. You didn't make fun of Mike KC. Hold on a second. LeBron's no, we got to get to that. We're still suffering from that. We got to get to that. We're getting to that. Mike can't see. Hold on a second. LeBron's the best basketball player of all time. Yes, just because he lost one-on-one to D-Wade doesn't matter.

In our era. Okay, cool. Do you think he's the best all the time? You think he's better than Mike? My goal is MJ. And that's just because me and Bron are the same age. To me, you can say five things. MJ was my favorite player.

And he did so many. Like, it's what we said. We grew up watching him. Yeah. But LeBron's going to be top five in every major statistical category there is when he's done. Yeah, LeBron number one for me. Yeah. LeBron's number one.

Most buckets ever. LeBron's number one. We don't consider him a scorer. And the crazy thing is – Right. The thing is, he never really considered himself to be a scorer. And there's illegal defense. You know what I mean?

Like, there's a lot of different shit going on now. Yeah. It's – I'm telling you. That one, I hate arguing that one because, like, come on, man. You can say five things about MJ, but, damn, you're right, dog. But I will say – But Bron, going to have top five – like, he did this forever. No, Bron, my guy. Bron.

And I got Kobe somewhere up there. Oh, yeah. Kobe up there for sure, yeah. Kobe somewhere up there for me as well. Kobe up there. Kobe three for me. Kobe 3 for me. Kobe 3 for you? So you got Brian, MJ, and Kobe? Yep. I ain't gonna lie to you. Shaq up there in my top 5. I like that. I like Brian, MJ. I'm putting Larry

Legend up there. Y'all can tell me what y'all want. We're in Indiana. French lick, baby. That's my daddy's favorite player now. Larry Bird. Hell yeah. My daddy loves Larry Bird. Larry Bird. Oh, that's my man, man. He top 5. Me and Larry cut grass together, man. Larry Bird top five, man. Top five.

Oh, that's in your top five? Top five. No, what you think about it? Oh, I'm going to let y'all talk. No. Hey, listen. I said I like him. I didn't say top five.

What you say? Larry Bird. Oh, I saw Bird was crazy, too. Well, he did WF. Damn, good call, man. Tough. Greasy. Tough.

No one wanted to see him. He got y'all in his crack. Homage. He said, you don't put enough respect on y'all. So I'll give you five for sure. Fast. Top five? Man.

I don't know. What kind of pushed me back with that, too, is a little bit is because he had a wit, bro. His team was low, and Kevin McHale don't get enough respect. No, Kevin McHale was one of them. Yes. What's his name? Chief. Robert Pax.

They were the coolest coaches ever. Kevin McHale was one of the dopest coaches ever. I can see that. Cool ass guys. They were the coolest coaches ever. Kevin McHale was one of the dopest coaches ever. I can see that. Dennis Johnson at the one. They had a wit. But every team that won championships has that, though. I hate that conversation. Nah, nah, nah.

You win. Okay, hold on. If you don't. What you mean? Magic. Kareem? Kareem. Cool.

Word. They cheap. No, I agree. What I'm saying, though, is if you don't win. It's a loaded team. But hold up. Hold up. Here's the argument, though. Like if you don't win six, seven championships,

you're not the best of all time. You can't win six, seven championships without having some dudes around. Good players, yeah. Yikes. So it's like you can't have it both ways because, like, then you start taking about, to me, that team was cheating. But like he said, our Miami team was cheating too. Yeah, but that was kind of fixed in the right way.

That was free agency. Imagine Johnson was getting picked. Come on, Michael. How y'all get James Worthy and y'all just want to cheat? That's crazy. I ain't going to lie to you. I wouldn't lie to see all that. I don't know.

But I just know, all I know is I saw all my own two eyes. They still had to go through Boston, though. With all that talent, they still had to go through Boston. Boston, Bird, they were dropping their ass off. I ain't going to lie to you. Bird, they were dropping their ass off. I might be on the, you know what I'm saying, last year. Well, the kids now, Rivera, Luka Doncic, like we, like Rivera, Larry Bird,

obviously he ain't got the accomplishment. It's going to be the same thing. You're going to have to win championships. But I tell you what. He is cold-blooded, though. I can't talk to them like that because they they value championships like i don't care about them like when i look at a player that's how i got my d-way and james hard when i look at a player i just look like what they how they affect the game and what they do like when you go hoop you like i can't with him like everybody got a moment where you'd be like

all right he got me. No, there's hooping, hooping. Yeah, yeah. And then there's other kind of hooping, right? Like, I value championship because at the end of the day, that's what we do. We play to win. Yeah, yeah.

Fact, fact. The reality is that you're going to have to put that in, and it's not going anywhere. If we ever have a conversation in 10 years from now, and Luka does whatever he does, the conversation is going to start with, did he win? Yeah. Facts.

Because that's where, now, it's like me wanting to have him slow-mo me and body me. I don't want none of that action. Yeah, facts, facts. I don't want to see none of it. But at the end of the day, if he's going to be up there at that top of being talked about, like Larry, he's going to have to win some chips now.

It's also the team you have, though. 100%. No, no, that's why a lot of these guys go through it and don't win championships and they're not talked about. Charles Barkley was a bad mother. If he don't win, he's not going to be top five. I can't put him there. I can't.

Damn, Mike. You're going to put him. I got to agree. I got to agree. You got to bump someone out too now. I got to agree. You bumping Kobe out? No. Because all the other guys that's in the top five agree. You bumping Kobe out? No. Because all the other guys that's in the top five won. You bumping MJ out? You bumping

LeBron out? Yeah, all the other guys that's in the top five won. No, you got, you got, this is just a random file. We got Mike. One. LeBron. One. Kobe. One. Larry. One. And then again, Shaq. One. Larry and Shaq.

I don't want. I just, like, because me and him is one and the same. Like, we do strictly just hoop, bro. Just strictly, if you're just picking the five and rocking with it, it's kind of hard to not put Luka in the conversation because he's damn good. Already? I love Luka. Don't get it twisted. He is. No, no. He's unbelievable. He's a young bull coming in the conversation because he's damn already. I love Luca. Don't get a twist. He is.

No, no. He's unbelievable. He's a young boy coming in the game. Larry Bird came in the game. He was 35. So he was already seen. He did. Hey, go look at Larry Bird. Are you now? Yeah, I

know he was at IU before he was at ISU. No, but I'm saying stop like what they had to transfer with his brother. What happened? He was at IU before ISU. It was an IU. No, he was at IU before he was at ISU. No, but I'm saying. Stop. Like, but they had. Transformed with his brother? What happened? He was at IU before ISU. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they had to go through that.

They did those years in college. Luka would be killing professional athletes at a young age. Yes. He started at 16. Yes. Going crazy. Yes. So it's kind of hard, bro.

By the time he's 33, 34. Look what he's doing in the NBA today. So, how old is he now? How old is he now? I think he's, what, 23, 24? Okay, so he got, by the time he's 30. He's 25. 24 years, maybe 25.

So, he's still got plenty of time to win. He's under 25 for sure. No, no. Oh, he's way under. He's still got a long time. He's still got to get some rings before he can win. He's still got a long time. Yeah, he's way under 30. See, the rings don long time. He's got to get some rings before he can get them. He's still got a long time. He's way under 30.

See, the rings don't – I can't – like Kyle, when I watch basketball. So here's the issue because I'm with you guys. I hear what y'all are saying. Yeah, yeah. I see what y'all are saying, right? When it's a small difference between Larry and Luka at the end of the day, there's got to be something that differentiates it. Touche.

What's the thing – championships. Because if you're going to say that, top five – from top five to top 20, they're all – they all go at it. They's the thing? Championships. Because if you're going to say that, top five, from top five to top 20, they all go at it. They're all dead nice. But I'm saying, though, there has to be something that separates it, though. When you make that decision, there has to be something that separates it.

Part of it, as you keep saying, look at the team, part of it is, mother******, make them better. To whom much is given, much is required. You're paid a lot of money to make these motherfuckers around you better. Look at that coat. Pastor Haslam.

Pastor Haslam. To whom much is given, much is required. Don't be complaining. Don't be complaining that we can talk about because now we can get on the Milwaukee Bucks.

20 years now. Now we can get on the Milwaukee Bucks. Now we can get on the Milwaukee Bucks. We can talk about motherfuckers complaining about everything around them instead of doing what they're supposed to do.

We done opened up the bag. Hold on, hold on. Look at what the cat dug in. Do that. Do that. Not on my bucks. We'll get on that. Here are the deer.

Get on that. We're going to get on that. We're going to get on that. Thank you for giving us these tickets back. I think from what I've gathered from great players, from what I've gathered from great players, all the ones that I've played with have made people around them better. It wasn't about the coaches. It wasn't about what I've gathered from great players, from what I've gathered from great players, all the ones that I've played with have made people around them better. It wasn't about the coaches.

It wasn't about what I got. What I got is enough. And that's what they put in their mind, and that's what they made the people around them believe. So if you can get your guys around you to believe that what we got is enough, then already you're ahead of the game. So don't be going out there talking about what you don't got. Don't be talking about the players around you.

Mother, you got $200 million to help us win. Figure it out. Huh? you don't got. Don't be talking about the players around you. Motherfucker, you got $200 million to help us win. Figure it out. Huh? Since we're talking about it, I think Giannis won with less than everybody in y'all top five.

Hold on, don't disrespect my game. Damn! You right. That's cold. Damn. Listen, listen,

that's also a year that, that's also a year that, that's also a year that, that's also a year that if Brooklyn, if Kyrie don't get hurt, I don't know how to play. I spoke the truth. You spoke on that. Hold on, say it again. They ass was in trouble if Kyrie didn't get hurt.

Everybody in trouble if Kyrie didn't get hurt. If they didn't wear size 35 and shoot, they would have probably. You ain't lying. I close out PJs. When he got to the championship, you got to put respect on that, bro. And shout out to everybody on the Bucs. But that Bucs team cannot compare to those Lakers teams, to those Miami Heat teams.

It's just he won at a high level, bro, with basically road players. He didn't have another star. Okay, so with that being said Why can't Why are we gonna give Luka or anybody else That pass If Giannis can do it

Why can't Luka do it Why can't all these Other motherfuckers Gotta get paid All that money We gotta give him time I ain't saying No give him time

We gonna give him time But at the end of his career If he ain't won I don't wanna hear Nothing about no top five I'm rolling I'm rolling with that too I don't wanna hear

Nothing about no top five I can't I like pure hoop Listen So when I look at like Kyrie I'm rolling. I'm rolling with that, too. I don't hear nothing about no top five. I can't. I like pure hoop. Listen. So when I look at, like, Kyrie, Kyrie won a championship. I don't function well in losing spaces. I'm losing. I start making bad decisions.

The coach is coming out. I don't function well in losing spaces. Losing make me do bad. That's why you hang around me all the time. Losing keep me up all night, and that's the coach. Out of time is a devil playground. I lose too much, I get to thinking crazy. Hey, that's why you hang out with the kids? That's the culture That's what you're having Out of time is a devil playground I lose too much I get to thinking crazy Hey that's why you hang out with the kids

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That's why you hang out with the kids That's why you hang out with the kids That's why you hang out with the kids Yeah, that was crazy. Hold on, we're going to touch on that. We ain't letting that slide. We got to talk about that. But I understood from the perspective of when these kids go to the court, they want to get in their bag. For sure. Boom, boom, boom. D-Wade was more, I'm going to get to my spot. I'm going to put this pull-up two in your face or whatever it is.

And if you could guard it, good luck. But I'm going to get to my spot and take my shot. So most of these kids, most of these kids ain't doing that no more. They can't do it. He's got a whole bag and another bag in the car. He can't walk a chew bubble gum. He can dribble his ass off and do all the drills he see on TV. They can't do it. He's got a whole bag and another bag in the car. He can't walk and chew bubble gum but he can dribble his ass off and do all the drills

he see on TV. So I understood that perspective. I wasn't disrespecting D-Wade. I think he's a... So the question's at Carlos Banco's. At Carlos Banco's.

Does Jeff still think ringless foul merchant Harden is better than Hall of Fame D-Wade? I didn't write the question. That's a loaded question. That is a loaded question. That is crazy.

Listen. I think James Harden is the number three shooting guard of all time. Me, just like watching this game, going against him, competing against him. Like, it was a real-life scheme. Like, you had this scheme for D-Wade, too. But James Harden, when he was by himself in Houston, bro, they was going to the Western Conference Finals every year. They was doing all this stuff.

And he was unbelievable. Averaging 35, 8, 8. He's one of the easiest scorers. He was unguardable. And no offense, I mean, I ain't trying to disrespect D-Wade. When D-Wade, before Bron got there, no disrespect to you too, Miami was damn near, y'all was competing with us, the Hawks. We was going back and forth.

Yeah. We wasn't like that. Then Bron came. Different stratosphere. Flash was 06 now. He was nasty. I wasn't there. He was nasty.

Wait, wait, wait. What I ain't going to let you do is. King Kong ball. What I ain't going to. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What I ain't going to let you do is act like we ain't won the championship before Bron got there. No. 06. The Braves, the Braves UD, no, no. But I ain't going to let you do it. Act like we ain't won the championship before Braun got there. No. I'm six.

The braids, the braids, UD. Oh, God. Yeah, fresh out. Fresh out. I'm a fan. Fresh out, UD. Fan, straight back. Yeah, fresh out the fan.

I got you. Yeah, you ain't going to let that go. Straight back. Yeah, you ain't going to not let that go. They brought them back recently. UD, what's up? You got to bring it back. That UD right there was fighting for his mother's life.

That UD ain't had no money. All my life. That UD ain't had no money. That UD watched what D fighting for his mother's life That UD ain't had no Money All my life That UD ain't had no Money That UD watched what Dirk did In the playoffs To mother San Antonio

And Tim Duncan That UD was fighting For his mother's life And I had my homeboy That ate mother Let that German Cook you boy You would never hear the end of it

When you talk about a mother That had an ass times ten Nah Well you ain't gonna let you do Nah nah And no disrespect Y'all was nasty. D-Wade, he's a goat.

He was nasty. Ugly after that. But after that. Yeah, yeah. It got rough. It got rough. We had some rough patches. I see.

I see. We had some rough patches. He's in him cap. I see Joe. Joe was having moments. I'm over there. Not enough to talk about Aso Joe. Aso Joe.

One of my favorites. First of all. One of the coldest. Listen. Buddy, talk about easy score. Come on, man. Hey, listen. Didn't you have to go out here in college? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know One of the coldest. Listen. Buddy, talk about easy score. Hey, listen. Didn't you have to guard him in college?

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how that went for me. I know we won. We won. We beat the ass. We beat the ass. Dead nice. No, he's a bad boy.

No, he cold. But I knew when I used to watch the games. He still does the same stuff. That's how good he was. Yeah, he's cold. You're going to watch him right now. He's going to rock you to sleep. Yeah.

Yeah. But I agree with everything you said. After that. I agree with that. I was like, I don't know about Miami. It's fun to rock you to sleep. But I agree with everything you said. After that, I was like, I don't know about Miami. It's fun to go there, though. Hey, I'm going to tell you right now, that boy D-Wade is built different, though.

Big moments and stuff. I used to see him and Joe. I'm telling you, like, blocking shot. You can say offensive package-wise, I get it. But just impacting games, D-W Wade was unbelievable. For sure. Defensively, big steals, big blocks.

He just won the game. As a teammate, you walk out of it like, oh, we got this. And that's why I would take D. Wade over him. It's because of the impact on the game, the impact on winning. That's what I'm going to say. Not just the game, the impact that he has on winning. But when those years were sour in Miami, James Harden, when he had those same type of teams,

he did more with less. And didn't win. That's a fact. Didn't win. It looked good. It looked good. Let me ask you this. Because this is a good conversation then.

I like this. Is James Harden better on worse teams? Yeah. So if you put him on good teams, oh, damn, that's not a good thing to be. I'm not saying. He looks really good with the Clippers. He looks really good with the Clippers.

I ain't saying he was on worse teams, but I'm saying when he had his teams, they always was winning. Like, he never had bad years. He won 50 games a year, y'all. Okay, bro, but what the did they win? I'm just saying they never had bad years. It was a time when y'all was in Miami where it was like, God damn, we bad.

Y'all got Mike Beasley. Right. You're right. I give you that. We had a tough year. We went down. David Norton never had a bad year. At the end of the day, there's only one champion.

I feel that. So y'all was taking it. Ricky Bobby say, mother, you ain't first, you last. I don't give a fuck about all them numbers. I don't give a fuck about all them numbers. I don't give a f*** about all them numbers It's quote game crazy It don't matter to me Did you win?

At the end of the day That's all I want to know What you averaged What you did I want to see if you won some James Harden Listen, James Harden is really unbelievable We talking about two legends

Like two Maybe three Four of them Two legends There's no disrespect to James I love to watch James And his game is amazing. Skill set, unmatched.

That's skill. That's what we had the conversation earlier. Skill versus what's God giving. Yeah, like Giannis got skill. Hey, you see what happened? Oh. Hey, man, listen. Yeah, listen.

God bless him. Hey, my text make everybody better. Like, I live a better life because of Giannis. Now, he do make everybody better. Now, what I will say is, what I will say is, he maximizes his strengths. Yes, sir. He maximizes his strengths.

And a lot of people, I think, when you get to this league, a lot of people want to be able to do everything, and that might be the worst thing you can do. If you could just do one thing great, you might get a chance in this league.

But a lot of motherfuckers that do a lot of different things, average, you might see them playing somewhere else. But if you can find something that you can do great, whether it be defend,

whether it be shooting, whether it be playmaking, if you have one thing you can do great, then you got a better chance of making it in this league. The things that he does great are exceptional. The rebounding, the pushing out the paint. They've done a great job of building around him the things that he needs because all you're going to do is clog the paint on Giannis and he's spraying. Them boys just got to be ready to shoot.

Easy basketball. Where do you rank him in the league right now? Top five? What's my top five? Sniper. Sniper. Where do you rank him in the league right now? Top five? What's my top five? Sniper. Sniper. What do you got in the league right now? I don't know. I don't really think too much about it. I don't really think too much about it. He ain't in my top

five. Oh! You did! Who better than him? KD. Woo, KD! Braun. Yep. Joker. You think Braun better than Giannis right now? Woo, KD. Braun. Yep. Joker. You think Braun better than Giannis right now? That's three.

Hell yeah. At this moment. Nah, I'm not taking Braun. Right now? Yes, yes, yes. Because if, yes, yes, yes. All time. If they both come in here with their bag of skills.

I'm taking Braun in 98. If they both come in here with their bag of skills, he coming in with a purse and Braun coming in with a duffel. So yes, I'm taking Braun. If they both come in here with their bag of skills, he coming in with a purse and Bron coming in with a duffel. So, yes, I'm taking Bron. If they both come in with a bag of skills, one coming in with a purse and one coming in with a duffel. But what if you walk in with the Nazis? Is the bag double or is it still a little bag?

No. That boy coming in with a Publix plastic. That boy coming in with a Publix plastic. That boy coming in with a Publix plastic. The Publix sandwich bag. Tops in the league. Go, man. Luka. Luka.

I forgot how the hell we got Luka. And B. That's an easy five. Now, my only thing to that is we just talked about what people did and accomplishments now. Yana's got two of them things. We talk about top five in the league right now. We ain't talking about when they retire and it's all over. What's Milwaukee record accomplishments now, Giannis got two of them things. We talk about top five in the league right now.

We ain't talking about when they retire and it's all over. What's Milwaukee record right now, though? I don't know what their record is, but I know what they should. Listen, all I know

is they done lost five out of the last seven. Shout out to Doc. He locked in. He locked in. That's what I do. We up and down right now. We just having a moment.

That's what I do. He's getting ready for All-Star break. Now, can he be top five by the time he retires? Of course he can. But at the end of the day, dog, as he gets older, taking it off the basket, going downhill on five people and dunking

is not going to be realistic after a while. But right now. Right now, it's amazing. He's better than Bron right now. I don't go for that. Man, the Lakers would trade for Giannis right now. They said we could swap LeBron and Giannis right now. I don't know about that.

What? No, no, they're going to do that because of age-wise. Yeah, I'm saying. Right now. I'm with you on Bron, though. I don't know about that. I love Bron. You're asking the wrong people.

Have you seen Bron turn around? Like you say, Giannis made your life better? Bron made your life a little bit better, coach. I'm rolling. Bron might go, too, so I'm rolling. No, I'm with Bron, but I'm saying right now at 39 Bron's not better than 29 Giannis

wherever old Giannis is he's not better than right what kind of bag he walking in with coach a purse and a duffel you wear it you listen that's all I'm saying

in the public I'm not listen this is not knocking anything that Giannis does man but what I'm saying I'm going off skill set I'm going off what I see

I watched after we lost that playoff series against Dallas in the. I watched after we lost that playoff series against Dallas in the playoffs. I watched Bron get in that lab and come back next summer, the next year, I ain't never seen him do.

I have not watched, I have not watched Giannis come back yet with something I ain't seen. I'm still waiting. Listen, Giannis, listen, listen, Giannis want a chip, Giannis want a chip

Giannis want a chip Hey, give me your top five then, Cole My top five In the league right now Giannis Jason Tatum Luka Jokic

Dang I don't know after that Nah, Embiid ain't in my top five I love Embiid, but he ain't in my top five I love Embiid But he ain't in my top five He be killing But he He get

He be in and out He get hurt all the time I like people who I know I can be there Like if I'm betting on Whatever I'm betting on I'm not betting on Embiid So out of all the people

You named so far And I'm gonna let you finish There ain't none of them won No and not even I wasn't gonna even bring that up Who got the least skills Out of all those people Who I say Who got the least skills out of all those people?

Who got the least skills? I ain't talking about God giving what he blessed you when you came out the sack. I'm talking about who got the least amount of skill out

of them dudes you got. I ain't talking about what you came out the sack with. I'm talking about who got the least amount of skill.

I ain't going to lie, I wish I got dropped out the sack like that. So watch that Giannis five minute YouTube highlight.

Yeah, talk to him. What are you doing? What are you doing? That's the first thing we all learn how to do is dribble between the legs. That's the first thing all of us learn how to do. You say your steps don't even play ball, but I bet he can dribble between his legs.

I bet he can. And make this look good, too. Nah. Shout out to Odom. So, no, no, no. No, listen. All right. He still has not named. All right, you're back.

You still have not named who got the least amount of skills out of those guys. All right, Giannis might not have the best skill set, but he a dog, man. I like Giannis. This is not a knock on Giannis, man. People might say, hey, listen, I ain't shoot threes towards the end of my career. He was just a mid-range jump shooter. That don't mean I was useless. That don't mean I wasn't a good player.

That just means I didn't do what people wanted me to do at certain times or whatever. I don't mind Giannis' game. I think he can win if you put the right pieces around him. But what I'm saying is all the greats that I've played with, I watched them every year get better and better and better. They didn't say it was about him. They didn't say it was about the coach. They got in the lab and they came back better.

That's all I'm saying. Listen, this is not a knock, bro, but I watch the greats get better every year. I have not seen him come back with something that I didn't see the year before. That's all I'm waiting for. I remember he couldn't shoot threes at all. Huh? He would go 0 for 8. He'd go, Giannis, now he'd go like 2 for 8.

He's getting better. Come on, Kobe. Listen, man. We could all chuck that motherfucker. On average, it's there. Are you worried about that in the scouting report? No, the scouting report is get back, build the wall. Get back in transition and build the wall. Nobody is worried about Giannis in the half court. Nobody is worried about Giannis in the scouting report. No, the scouting report is get back, build a wall. Get back in transition and build a wall.

Nobody is worried about Giannis in the half court. Nobody is worried about Giannis in the half court. I said that to you. Huh? You said Vogel did that to you with the price.

Yeah. You see how that worked out for him, don't you? All right, so do that with Giannis if you want to. Play with that. No. They did it.

Listen, we get back. We build a wall. We close out on the sprays. What happened? They ain't have the same team when they did that What happened? They ain't have the same team when they did that, though. They ain't have the same players. They ain't have me. Two out of the last

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exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I've got another question for fans. I don't know who asked this one because it doesn't say it on the screen. Who was your hardest, most dreaded matchup? Me? Yeah. D-Rose before he got hurt, by far.

That was an easy one. He had to think about it. Man. I ain't going to lie to you. It was a lot of people's most dreaded matchup. He was unbelievable. He was fast, strong. Every play was ran for him.

They ran forehead, that pick and roll, side pick and roll with him and booze. It was unbelievable. He was fast, strong. Every play was ran for him. They ran forehead, that pick and roll, side pick and roll with him and booze. It was unbelievable. And he'd get to the rim, and he was, like, relentless. Like, every single time he was trying to score or he was trying to make a play, he was too hard to guard. He was so strong. And I knew him since I was 13. So it was like, damn, you've been like this since I was 13.

Yeah. Where were you playing that day when this was? I was in Atlanta when I hated guarding, but in high school growing up. But in Atlanta. Long history. Come on, I knew him since I was 13. Nah, I mean, I shot that mother in high school. I wasn't scared of high school.

I was like, I can go back at you in the NBA. Joe was like, hey, back at you in the NBA Joe was like hey Jamal was like hey I told you like Jamal crazy that's my guy

he used to have a little say Jamal is funny as hell he'll give you money so he'll build a relationship with you so when you get in the game he's like hey

remember I took you out to eat last night and then you had... My team was crazy. I had Josh doing the same thing, Al doing that, Marvin doing that, Jamal doing that, Joe. And if I passed it to Joe, Jamal would be like, all right, now next time you come down this...

Make sure you look to that left now. Don't do that. I was like, this is how great it is to be a point guard. Man, I used to be like, man, Kirk, you got it, Kirk. I want to come off the bench. They want the ball too much. I'm trying to shoot, too. I'm broke, man.

Hold on. Trying to get them averages. I'm trying to average 13, 14. You got some good dinners out of it. You got some good dinners out of it, though. For sure. Definitely had the best dinners, best nights out. Miami.

When baby was up, he took me to live. I was like, oh, yeah. Live on Sunday. Come on, the best nights out, Miami. When baby was up there, he took me to live. I was like, oh, yeah. Live on Sunday. Come on, man. It was a time. It was a time. Live on Sunday, then right after King of Diamonds. That's why I got a whole new respect for y'all.

Y'all played in Miami, bros, and still, it's this one and that's it on the court. The first year we won that 06 championship, we had our own corner called Championship Corner. That's crazy. But we had, it was our whole corner. When we get back from a club, when we land in the city, you know nothing closes in Miami until 6 o'clock.

We land at 2 a.m., me, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton. We straight to KOD for Championship Corner. What's what Coach Riley told you all the time? I'm going to start giving out PUIs. Playing under the influence. There's 2,500 for coming here smelling like that. I think it's probably harder to play

in Atlanta than Miami though. Yeah, Jack. I ain't gonna lie to you. You agree, UD? Yeah, buddy. Atlanta is tough, man. Yeah, buddy.

You got Magic City, Onyx, Strokers, Body Tapper. The list goes on. The list goes on. Like you said, everything is after hours. Atlanta is a tough place to play as a young dude.

I got drafted when I was 19, turned 20. And everybody on my team already had got paid. So I was coming into a team where everybody got $40 million, $50 million, $60 million, $70 million. Oh, man. That's a tough city, too. No, man. You ain't had to worry about nothing in Minnesota. You ain't had to worry about nothing in Minnesota. Nothing. You ain't had to worry about nothing in Minnesota

You ain't had to worry about nothing in Minnesota Nothing My man, don't even focus on that We were good, I ain't had to worry about nothing Couldn't wait to leave Like, oh we got a game on the road You know, you usually hate going on the road I was excited

We going to Memphis tonight Memphis Hotel Listen, Memphis Hotel Oh Calm down, man. Calm down, man. Listen, Memphis Hotel. Oh, man. Top five weakest in the league. Man, them little funky-ass ducks be walking out, and they got you watching.

I love you, Memphis. What's that hotel when we walking? We coming down the elevator for a game. We getting ready to go to the bus, and they stop us for these little duck. Peabody, Coach. Yeah, the Peabody. Look at the fuck about them ducks.

And then the other one, the new one they built. Right across the street from the- Oh, the Peabody. You got to fuck about them motherfuckers. All right, man. And then the other one, the new one they built. Right across the street from the arena. Oh, the Western. Yeah. Yeah, the Western right across the street from the arena. Damn. Food good, though. Food good, man.

We can do something. Yeah, but that's just the Western. They put it right across from the arena, but it's just the Western. Yeah, it's just the Western. But food good. At this game, Maine, who is the most boring guest that Jeff brought on this podcast? I want you all to say this one. What you all got?

Interesting question. Yeah, I done talked a lot on this show. Nah, I wouldn't say most boring. I would say the one that I wish we would have gotten a little bit more info out of. And it was due to time constraints, I would say Michael Blackson. I wouldn't say it was boring, but if we could redo our interview. Yeah, he'll find out. I would say. Due to time constraints I would say Michael Blackson I wouldn't say it was one but if we could redo our interview

I would say due to time constraints huh so what's what's crazy about that is we had Michael Blackson on the show right before the

Cat Williams shit dropped but we had scheduled to drop it when that happened it wasn't because of that hangout it was just how we y'all know how scheduling works

so Cat Williams comes out two days before we drop the episode. So, when that episode come out, we like. I don't know,

that was crazy. Insane. And the energy would have been different. Yeah. We wish it was a little bit later. Yeah.

All right, tell the truth. Tell the truth. Tell what happened. And we ain't on, it ain't even on, bro. I was asleep. Well,

he had, I had just came back from Atlanta. And like you just said, Atlanta undefeated. So I fly back. I fly back. I get here like at 7 in the morning. And I think in the time.

Shout out to Mike. Mike, yeah, I thought the time was at 3. Yeah, it was at 12. So I'm knocked out. So then I had to guess weight. And it's my fault. The energy was just off. It was my bad.

Nah, it wasn't you. I ain't putting, bro. We a team. But I'm saying, I wish it I had to guess weight, and it's my fault. The energy was just off. It was my bad. Nah, it wasn't you. I ain't putting, bro. We a team. But I'm saying, I wish it was you. Club 520 sticking together. You see this? That's how it's supposed to be. Quit turning on me.

I can't even. But I'm saying, it was supposed to be. I feel like if this was like a night interview, and he could have saw that cat interview, I feel like he'd be like, oh, shit. Yeah, that would have gave him more content. Everything would have been great. Right.

So we're going to run it back to Mike. Everything would have been better. Everything would have been better. Speaking about stuff on Club 520, you said some outrageous shit about Michael Jackson. Yeah, man, what the fuck was that about? You talk about the king like that. All right, listen. He is the king.

He's from Indy. Well, not Indy, but Indiana. He's from Gary, Indiana. So we love Michael Jackson. I love him, too. That's my favorite artist. But all I was saying is, when he went white,

no shot. White meaning his skin? Yeah, his skin. Yeah, he used to be black. Yeah, he was black.

I didn't got shit to do with his voice. When he got white, his voice kind of got white too. That's what I'm saying. This is gas and ember. He love it. You're being a junkie. No, he love it. Look, dog, I'm just this is gas and he loved it. You did.

He loved it. Look, dog, I'm just saying like the older he got, the lighter he got, there's no smaller. His vocals do it like. I give you Michael Bolton. Michael McDonald. I would say like, what's the show on Netflix always? We was talking about me And you was talking about the We are the world doc

We are the world Like he was amazing Oh man I love that doc He was amazing Like voice was unbelievable I'm saying as he got older I was like

He didn't age His voice didn't Was it me or Do Lana Richie look younger In the doc that he did Back in the day When he was in the studio Yeah

Like damn that's good work Yeah He in He look younger Now doing his interviews Than he did back then in the studio. Yeah, that's the quality. That's because he got away from Alex Rose. That's his doppelganger.

He got away from Alex Rose. Alex Rose was in that documentary wildly. Man. Drunk as hell in there. Oh, God. Drunk as hell in there. He was bugging, bro. He was in there.

But he was what I really think. And he had a little oil in him. I think. What I was think, too, and he had a little oil in him. I think his statement got out of pocket when he said Drake could sing better than Michael. I didn't say he could sing better. I said just as good. He's like, who the fuck? I want to hear that. What Michael Jackson little leg you said?

I don't remember. Human nature? What about human nature? That's a human nature. Listen. He said he's classic. You said you're going to listen to none of his songs and say say that sound good yeah what about man in the mirror that mike wouldn't he was still he was still mixed he was beating allegations then yeah he was mixed right there

first of all the craziest part is you said a rapper could sing better than him no i was saying they make like because the conversation started because we was talking about Drake and Michael Jackson, who was the best. Yeah. Who was the best, like, because he beat him on number one hits or whatever. And I was like, hey, Michael Jackson's voice wasn't all that

as he got older. But they clipped that. They don't ever say that. I said it when he got older. And I was like, Drake, Drake damn near seemed just as good as him. And he took it overboard. We tried to stop him.

I did. I just didn't want you to be on the shade room. And you got me on the shade room and baller alert and all that. I was trying to be cool. Sometimes we go at it. That's our dynamic on the show. But I'd be like, bro, son of a bitch, I can't let you just go off. I was bugging.

I'm going to say here, I was tripping. One thing I'd say about these podcasts, you don't got to deal with that because you don't ever say nothing crazy. One thing I'd say about these podcasts, you don't got to deal with that because you don't never say nothing crazy. One thing I tell you about these podcasts, boys, they feel like when you say something and you got an opinion, they got to say and have their opinion back. But I'm saying it on a platform

where it's going out to the world. These motherfuckers reach out to me personally and DM me and talk crazy. Come on, man. We don't never disrespected nobody personally. That's why I be getting tight. Like, he don't be caring, but he really be bothering me

because he really don't be coming at me. Yeah, people like to come at you crazy on you, probably, by having an opinion. And the worst part about it is, they don't ever hear the eight times you bigged them up or the positive stuff you said about them. They hear one clip from one piece and be like, man, y'all hating on me.

Listen to the last eight episodes, we say you was cold. You don't text about that. Like, when D-Wade, when I said that about D-Wade, oh my God. My boy was ready to call it a quick. I was like, yeah, I'm done podcasting, y'all.

Oh, listen. I'm done, y'all. We was about to be one and done. Yeah, I was like, it was fun, man. When Bam told that story about what happened with Bill Russell,

that was the first time I was like, man, I'm out of here. I'm done with this. Yeah, I was like, damn, they ain't edit that part. When I seen you say, I said, oh, they potting. Yeah, man, I'm out of here. I'm done with this. Yeah, I was like, damn, they ain't edit that part. When I seen you say that, I said, oh, they potting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They potting.

Yeah, let's go. They next. They older some. Yeah, I was like, damn, I'm next now. Bam told that story, and that was a story that I never intended on getting out. You know what I'm saying? Everybody, we all sit outside our house with our family that don't get outside the house. So when Bam told that story, I never intended on that story getting out.

What people don't understand is they try to make it about Bill Russell. It was never about Bill Russell. It was about the Celtics. It was never about Bill Russell. It was about the Celtics. People say, why you ain't complaining about MJ Jersey hanging? Because we wasn't playing Chicago. We was playing the Bulls.

I mean, we was playing the Celtics. So why the fuck would I complain about MJ Jersey and here we playing the Celtics? My team going to look at me like, you old and senile? We not even playing them right now. So like, it had nothing to do with the individual person. People miss the message

all the time. Yeah, it had nothing to do with the individual person. It just had to do with the Celtics and everybody know how I feel about the Celtics. Everybody know how I feel about buddy now.

Redacted. Yeah, everybody know how I feel about buddy now. Buddy now. I ain't gonna say buddy now because somebody gonna get hurt because I'm gonna stop playing him. I'm gonna leave him alone because somebody get hurt. Oh, Paul Fish. because I'm going to stop playing him. I'm going to leave him alone

for somebody to get hurt. Oh, Paul Fish? Yeah, I'm going to leave him alone. I'm going to leave him. I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to be with all them Twitter fangirls and all them games playing. I'm going to leave that alone

for somebody to get hurt. I ain't going to lie to that. Listen, I always say funny. I don't think it's funny. I play too much. That was funny, though. Which one? Well, he said that like, nah, he still, nah, you still was giving it.

Like, oh, we all know you earned your retirement. Like, everybody know that. The pettiness was so good. But the pettiness that he said that was like, nah, it was good. I got a real smoke. And did you guys, did you see my response? We did. Oh, we did.

I meant that from the bottom of my heart. I meant that from the bottom of my heart. I'm going to spell you because I know you ain't like that. I'm going to spell you. You've been looking in my mother's eyes. I'm with it. When you get money, you got to separate from certain things. I'm still my daddy's child.

Oh, yeah. I love that. I'm still my daddy's child. My daddy ain't raised no punk and I don't play no games. That's a fact. You know what I'm saying? I'm with all that. What I'm going to do is

I'm going to disconnect from that situation because I don't play like that. You know what I'm saying? Because one thing what I said, I spoke on them as Celtics players. I never spoke on their accolades. I never spoke on what they accomplished. I always give them credit for that. Now you on some other. I ain't playing that game.

I'm going to leave that alone before I hurt you. And I mean that. Now you on some other. I ain't playing that game. I ain't basketball. I'm going to leave that alone before I hurt you. And I mean that. Respect. Put my glasses back on. Put them glasses back on. Hey, put the fraternity back up, OG. Put my glasses back on. The fraternity went crazy. What my kids don't understand is, dog, I get on this podcast

and I go meet with commissioners and I go meet with lawyers and I sit down, but boy, I'm still in the hood every day. Every day. And I still got, they own that. I got to talk them off that. Hey, man, we too old for that right now. That's a bad.

That's a bad. Nah, man. Now that he's got his glasses back on, this next segment is brought to you by PrizePix. Nah, don't stop me now. There we go, Mike. Y'all ass. Get that hair in there, Mike. There you go.

But like I say, that's real, though. Nah, but you got your jersey retired. What was that moment like for you? That was a great moment, man, for a kid that's coming from Miami, born and raised, you know what I'm saying? People have these dreams where, oh, I was walking down the street and I always knew I was going to buy my mama this house. I always knew I was going to make it. I didn't know what I was was walking down the street and I always knew I was going to buy my mama this house. I always knew I was going to make it.

I didn't know what I was going to make. I didn't know if I was going to buy my mama a house. I didn't know what the next day was going to be like for me. You talk about a month, it really came out that. You feel me? Like, homeboys going to funerals. I done been to more funerals than I done been to birthday parties. You know what I'm saying?

I got a closet full of Rest in Peace t-shirts. You know what I'm saying? And they ain't dying from natural causes. So, you know what I'm saying? So, I never had a dream of, oh, when I'm 30 or when I'm 30. I didn't even know if I'm saying? And they ain't dying from natural causes. So, you know what I'm saying? So I never had a dream of, oh, when I'm 30 or when I'm 30. I didn't even know if I was going to make it. What I did was, every day, just hit the

ground running. Kept my head down, stayed out of trouble, and just pushed forward. If somebody knocked me off my pivot, I got my ass back up. You know what I'm saying? And this is where I ended up. So it's just, for me, it's just a product of the hard work. And no bulls**t. For real, there's no one that deserves more than him. you just saw i'm telling you that's what he's done and what he's accomplished is unbelievable no i i dropped i dropped the i dropped the

off at the airport to go overseas i picked his ass up he did he did and i seen where he came from like that like man i know everyone has a story but he earned it 20 years at that i mean come on man undersized big but that's crazy. What people don't understand is, for a lot of people, and Jeff, you can speak on this, there's very few guys in this league that's going to get to choose the role they want. Yeah.

Of course we all want to choose our role. We all want to be comfortable in our role. We all want to choose the roles they want. We're here playing Indianapolis. Exactly. It's maybe one or two guys. It's maybe one or two guys that got the role they want on a team. The rest of us got to show that

we can help these guys win. So all the people at home don't get mad at me because I show that I can help people win because I wasn't that guy. Okay, cool. That's fine not being that guy. But I'm still just important. Like I tell people, man, you got a bus driver, you got passengers, and you got the mother that's under the hood changing

the oil in the tires. If I don't change the oil in the tires, it's moving. You feel me? So I got to do my part. And I did my part every time. That's a hell of a mechanic. I did my part every time. Made a lot of money doing it. I ain't tripping and falling to the rebounding record either, mother.

So for everybody that sit at home and say he don't deserve me, okay, I got the rebounding record, offensive rebounding record, defensive rebounding record, and the regular defensive reb rebounder record, offensive rebounder record, defensive rebounder record, and the regular defensive rebounder record. all that I earned, man. I'm just thankful, but that's just hard work.

Absolutely. No, bro, we tapped in. All respect to your 28. But I appreciate you bringing that up, dog. That was big for the city. That was big for my people

because it's also showing people from where I'm from. You know what I'm saying? You can make it. You know what I mean? You had a great career, bro. And I ain't gonna lie, I'm jealous, bro. I ain't going to lie. I'm jealous, bro.

I wish Atlanta loved me like Miami loved you. You ain't from there, though. Exactly. But what you doing here? What you doing here? I mean, we talked about it earlier, and I know we got to shut it down real quick, but just how you impact in the city. For sure.

Coaching basketball. You got your family involved. A lot of times when we come with these kids that come from communities with broken homes, they don't have their father around so to see you with your father your brother and just to have that that that structure a lot of kids that come from where we come from don't see that that's what i'm saying then you say i heard you say you have a gym here yeah so you're investing in your community dog definitely giving kids things to do besides you know i'm saying so that's that that should be spoke about that all people speak about that's the

kind of people should be talking about i appreciate appreciate that, bro. All that people speak about, that's the kind of shit people should be talking about. I appreciate it. So you invest in your community, too. So, you know, big shout out for that, dog. I appreciate it, bro. For sure. And you got your homies on the pod, which the things about it is we always get to a certain level where you fall out and all that.

But y'all stay together. Nah, we definitely my guys, man. We trying to make it happen. But before we get out of here, though, we do have one. And I still got this mother here. I got to carry this dick. Wait, come on. Hey, look at him And I still got this mother---- here. I got to carry this dead weight. Come on. Hey, look at him.

I still got this mother---- The mechanic speaking, ain't he? The mechanic. Prize picks, top duels, man. All right. What do we say whenever we do one of these prize picks top five? What do we say? Don't what?

You better not say that last one. What? Don't what? You better not say that last one. I'm going to say whatever I want to say. Don't say that last one. What? Don't what? You better not say that last one. I'm going to say whatever I want to say. Don't say that last one. Prize pick top duels. All right?

Y'all at me, whatever y'all want to do. All right? Kyrie, Luka, LeBron, Anthony Davis. The last one going to pile up. Joker, Murray. Kevin Durantant D-Book Go ahead Say it

Say it Tatum and Brown That's it That's five Okay Where up in the Damianas I ain't got more top five Explain to me

Who you taking out That's the whole thing About these top five I'm taking Murray and Jokic up The champs? Yeah I think Jokic is fire I think Murray

is a great player unbelievable but as a duo I think this year not past year this year I don't think he's

top five in the duo you what you got nothing you like it don't like it I like that five I like the five you said okay what's the last one Nothing? You like it? Don't like it? I like that five.

I like the five you said. Okay. What's the last one? Paulo and Franz, baby. That's home cooking. I love that duo, though. That's so nice. PB5, like that. Yeah.

PB5, like that. I like Paulo. I like Paulo and Franz personally, but they not the top five duo right now. Over David. They're not the top five duo right now. What you got? Just home cooking. Yeah, that's home cooking for sure.

Yeah, he's an agent. He's a brawn. He's a brawn. Yeah, he's an agent. I'm biased. Kyrie, my favorite player. I'm calling it Kyrie Luka. Yeah, I like that duo, though.

I got Kyrie Luka. What you got? I'm going to rock with AD and Bron. I like that. That's your best duo. So you got Dame Yonis. Not Dame, the best duo. But they deserve to be on that list.

But my best duo had to be Kyrie and Luka. So nobody going to say Paul George and Kawhi? God, that's a good one. That ain't no duo? I thought it was one off the list. What's your list? Damn, yo. Hey, why my list?

Listen. Listen, nobody at home gonna hear that. They're just gonna hear, beep, his list. Shout out to monetization. That's my number one name, for sure. That's the one in the chip, bro.

Now I'm gonna go back and I would say that Kawhi and Paul George, I like that duo. I do too. Elite duo. That is an elite duo. Who am I taking off of there on that one? Hmm. Franz. Well, yeah.

He'd be five. Now maybe Tatum and Brown. Tatum and Brown. You know I don't Celtics, so they ain't on my list anymore. Y'all think Paul George and Kawhi better than Tatum and Brown right now? That's a great conversation. That's a great conversation. That's a great conversation.

They went up in Boston and dropped that ass off. They went up in Boston and handled their business. We might find out. They playing crazy right now. Damn, I got water in my mouth. I'm going to drink some water. Cut. Cut.

Yeah. That'd be a good finals though. Boston Clippers. Especially with James Harden playing. Before we get out here, the fear of the deer. Can they win it with Doc coaching them? Can they win it with what's going on over there in Milwaukee? First or last?

You're going to go last because I know you got something to say. They could win it. Doc is a – he's not my favorite coach. Like, to watch the game, like, if I watch how they run offense and how they play, it's not my favorite coach. But I I think they can win I think Pat Bev changed a lot for them I think he's gonna be great for their team but I definitely think they can win but I don't I'm not banking on them uh but fear the deer yeah can they win the east they can but I don't think they will I mean I think we you know first of all I think we, you know, first of all, I think karma.

Karma, mother----. What you did to Adrian Griffin wasn't cool. When you come out there and doing the goddamn. Hold on, what were they doing? Watusi. What were they doing? The Watusi. Whatever the hell.

That's karma, man. Karma is a mother----, man. So, I don't think that, you know, that they're going to win it. Nah, not for me. And and also when you're in a seven game series and it's not gonna show now because you're playing one game a night but when you get in a seven game series i think your habits start to reveal themselves and i think the reason why they won't beat a team like boston is because of habits you know i'm saying we we we know doc and what he brings to the table years of experience a player

coach but um he's not known for getting guys out their comfort zone it's kind of like I'll work with you and meet you in the middle at the end of the day we're trying to win more championships I don't need to meet you nowhere but at the goddamn parade I don't need to meet you nowhere but at the parade mother you got a job to do so if I'm coming in here trying to make you feel uncomfortable I've I've I've coming in here as a coach trying to make you comfortable, I've already lost. Damn. You know what I'm saying?

So all that, oh, you could take a day off, and we want the coach that we want. Nah, everything ain't going to go your way. Sometimes get comfortable being uncomfortable. So in a seven-game series, I feel like the habits are going to win out because I don't feel like Milwaukee will have the habits that they need. So wrapping it up, appreciate y'all coming in, man. For real. Appreciate y'all coming in, man. For real.

Appreciate y'all having us, man. Nah, this was fun, man. We gotta do it again. We gotta do it in Miami, though. Come to the city. We gotta do it again in Miami. Yeah, we gonna come to the city. Y'all good on the road, huh? Yeah.

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