Club 520 Podcast - Flare Jeans ft PJ Tucker

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

This week we are joined by friend of the show, PJ Tucker. We discuss his recruitment to Texas, his unique NBA journey, how he became a Sneaker Icon, Fashion Tips, Music and much more! Follow us everywhere @club520podcastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You ain't got to look down. You see the jacket. You see who's in the chair. I'm going to let T throw the oomph, you know what I'm saying? See who we fucking with right now. Brother, hey, champion. We share the championship together, man. He's one of them guys, man.

He's a close friend. A dude that I appreciate, one dude that I respect, P.J. Tucker, NBA champion, NBA vet, Texas Longhorn legend. I'm so happy to have you on the show Man, it's good to be here dog Hey man, we happy to have you

One of the hardest working men in basketball In the NBA, you know what I'm saying Before we get into the episode, you see this table right here This wonderful bottle right here, championship basketball right here You can put your shit right here Advertising, see this lovely laptop, we smacking it right here PJ, we got a running junk right now We trying to get a million from Skechers To switch our beehive shoes, you know what I'm saying Take off the pad leather pandas advertising. See this lovely laptop. We smacking it right here. PJ, we got a running junk right now.

We're trying to get a million from Skechers to switch our beehive shoes, you know what I'm saying? Take off the pad leather pandas. I know you the shoe guy. What would it take for Skechers, you know what I'm saying, to, what check they got to cut to get on your feet? We know you got the best feets on earth right now. We ain't even going to play them games with you. We know how you work. But what Skechers got to do to get you into

what's happening, in the shape of us? Man, that's... That's tough, right? I'm not do to get you into what's happening, into the shape of us? Man, that's tough, right? First of all, listen, I'm not going to let you do that. You ain't going to let me do that? Is that out of pocket? Am I disrespectful? We're going to end that question.

Listen, he is a Nike. Listen, I'm in my bag right now. I love it. Blue Cup test. I tell you, like, it's guys who got Nike deals and, like, sponsorships and P's and players and all that. TJ got one of them deals. Oh, oh. He got one of them deals.

I stole his Kobe 6s. Oh, which ones? Them gray ones with the pink. Yeah, they upstairs. My boy got, hey, my boy. We ain't got to worry about schedules. He's Nike for life, bro.

For life. He know how to do, hey, man, he branded himself so well, man, with those shoes and the things that he got is amazing, bro.

PJ, we got so many things to talk about, but first and foremost, I already started off the episode with a bullshit question, you know what I'm saying? Being with you,

being a guy, I ain't even going to ask how, but how was that feeling when you got that call and was like, damn, you get that Kobe PE? What was that feeling like? Ooh, you know what? That was one of the best, because I wasn't expecting it.

Like, because I was asking for it for so long, I wasn't expecting it. It was like, all right, you know what? I'ma just, I'ma go. Like, I'ma go. Like, my deal's up. what? I'm going to go. I'm going to go. My deal's up. Puma's coming with the bag. D's coming with the bag.

Yo, talk about the Puma bags, though. Because, listen, I almost signed with Puma, too. Them Puma, whoo! And they giving creative direction. It's like, you know what I'm saying? They're calling from home. Like, yo, this is different. Control.

Yeah, for real. And that, like, to, like, they're like, all right, you know what? All right, he go, he call from home. Like, you listen. It's different. Yeah, for real. And that like to like, they're like, all right, you know what? All right, he go, he go. You know what I'm saying? It was like, I don't care how you throw that. Like, I don't care how you give me them Kobe's. I'm taking them. So that was special, bro.

That was special. Man, shout out to the niggas who made Nike IDs in every bottle. It's me. I'm niggas. Me too. Niggas be in class, make all the shoes in the world, ain't buy a single one of them motherfuckers. I swear to God, everybody's me. I'm niggas. Me too. All the shoes in the world ain't buy a single one of them motherfuckers. I swear to God, Airbags 95.

Oh my God. When I got the lead, that's the first thing I bought. We don't like your ID. What ID, Airbags 95? I got some upstairs. For real. We got so many places that we can start at. We got to start at the beginning. Start off with I'm saying? Start off at the hoop session.

You know what I'm saying? Obviously, you know what I'm saying? You from there. We consider North Carolina the East Coast. Is that out of pocket? It's South, dog. South? Okay, okay.

You got it. North Carolina is South. No disrespect. No disrespect. I mean, it's East Coast, but it's South, though. I know they be having to toss up the Virginia. They be on y'all heels about that shit. We South, for real.

That's South. Nah, for real. How was it, man? You know what I'm saying? Growing up, getting your shit off. Obviously, you was a prospect. How was it, man? You know what I'm saying? Growing up, getting your shit off. Obviously, you was a prospect. How was it playing high school basketball in the area you was at? Because it was a lot of dogs where you was at.

Man, you was playing against another D1, like a high-level D1 player every single game. Like, every game, somebody's going D1 somewhere. That's correct. And that was wild. Like, you can – Shavelin Randolph, number one player in the country. Hey. Eric Williams, top 20. You get Randy Pulley. Like you can literally, every single game it was somebody.

So you literally, it was like events. Like Friday nights, it was like going to high school basketball games. It was like an event. Like it's selling out. You got to get there early during the girls game because the men's game was going crazy. Playing the GlaxoSmithKline back then, which now is the John Wall. John took it over.

But our Christmas tournament is nuts. Playing at NC State. It was huge, man. All the best players in the country came down for that. So every night, he's playing against one of the top players. Can I ask you one question about a player? Who you got? I can't remember his name for sure.

I think it's Ray John Terry. Is that right? Hey, listen, man. Is that his name? Yes, that is his name. So, listen. So, I went to school in North Carolina. Sure did.

So, I knew about PJ. I knew about him. But they used to talk about this dude. Duh. Was he that dude? Hey, listen. All right. So, Ray John played with CP.

Okay. Listen. He might be, like, the one guy I think, like, it's a couple dudes I played against, like, my whole life that I feel like could have been in the league, should have been in the league. It's, like, crazy to me that he didn't make it in the league. For real? Because he was really, like, the game now is, like, made for height. Like, he's a real, like, 3'4", like, can do it all.

Like, Ray John was a problem, bro. Yeah, everybody always – my whole time in Carolina, when I was in my two years, they always talked about him. Like, yo, he was a dog. They would talk about you. They like, PJ? He was a dog. Obviously, they talk about CP and all them, but Ray John.

And he didn't make it to the league, I don't think. If he did, I don't remember. No, he didn't. He never made it to the league. But they talk about him. He was in our year, 03 class. Carolina only had one scholarship. Yeah. And he got it.

Damn. Damn. Yeah, all right. He got it. Carolina had one scholarship that year. He got it. Is that the reason why you went into ACC? Hey, you know ACC? That is no bullshit.

Like I only wanted to go to Carolina. Like me and CP used to be like, oh, we gonna go to school together. Like, but my grades weren't good enough to go to wake. Like they wanted me to. Oh no wake is fine. It's fine. Like if you wanna hoop and go to wake, you gotta be a good student. So wanted me to wake. Oh no, Wake is fine. It's fine. Like if you want to hoop and go to Wake,

you got to be a good student. So shout out to me. Shout out to Pike for fixing the grade. Don't put that stuff. Nah, I'm bullshitting. For real though, you got to be, you damn near got to be a great ass student to go to Wake though.

Right, nah, for real. So they like, ah, like, and Coach Prozac at the time was my guy. Like I was down. R.I.P. bro. But it just wasn't, yeah, R.I.P. for sure. Love Coach Prozac. But time was my guy. I was down. But it just wasn't. Yeah, RIP for sure. Love Coach Prozzie.

But it wasn't going to work. It wasn't going to work. They were like, oh, you got to go to prop, blah, blah. I wasn't doing none of that. So it was like, yo. But it was perfect, though. It actually worked out because at the time, they had Matt Doherty. Matt Doherty was the coach.

And I'll never forget, bro. To this day. Bad. Raymond Felton was my brother. And Rashawn McCants used to look at me. Every time I would go over there, they'd be like, don't come here. They'd just be like. At the whispers?

Hey, Ray used to be like, don't come here. I swear. Ray Felton used to be like, Tuck, don't come here, bro. Like, I swear, bro, he literally told me not to come. See, you need people like that. Like, real, like, friends. Like, real friends. Like, yo, bro, like, this ain't it.

Because he wasn't doing a good job at Carolina. Right. You're going to be real. Matt Doherty was bad. He was bad. He was only, and he got fired that year. Yeah. The same year he got fired. Been a real guy. Matt Doherty was bad. He got fired that year. The same year he got fired. And then here comes Roy Williams.

My nigga. Bro, my dude. My guy. Listen. In the ill story, that year, we played Carolina in Denver, Sweet 16. That was my team. I had a double-double. I had 14-10.

We beat Carolina. I'm literally crying. I'm beating Carolina. I'm going crazy. Shaking hands. Roy Williams shaking my hand. I'm the last person. Grabbed me and was like,

if I was here, you'd be here right now. Damn. That meant a lot, didn't it? Bro, I was like a little girl, bro. I was crying my... Bro. That's big. Crazy.

Look. Let me ask you this, though. I got you. Do your thing. Let me ask you this. So once you beat them, Paul, it's like, how you... Y'all crazy, man. How you feel...

How you... Nah, come on. I'm trying. How you feel like... Because I played here. Right. You know what I mean? I play... Well, I didn't play here Cause I played Here Right You know what I mean I play

Well I didn't play here I played IU When I was a freshman Right I mean sophomore I played IU In a Big Ten ACC challenge

Or whatever And I was just hyped To play IU Right Like man It was trash But we beat them By 30

But I was so hyped How did that feel To play Carolina though Like I played Carolina You know Going away And I know how it feel How that feel to play Carolina, though? I played Carolina, you know, going away. And I know how that feel for you. For me, though, always like my dream was to play for Carolina. It wasn't to make the NBA.

Damn. The dream is to go to Carolina. You a little kid from North Carolina? The dream is to play for Carolina. You ain't worry about the NBA. It's about playing there. So to not do it and then to beat them, it was like surreal. Like the tournament was over for me.

Like I was like, I'm cool. Like I'm good on everything now. Yo, what mama say? What? You already know. My mom's a stripper. My mom's a stripper. My mom a huge Carolina fan.

Michael Jordan fan. Like that's how. My mom the reason I hoop. That's hard. So for her, it was like crazy. You know what I'm saying? So that was special. That's hard.

Real shit. Damn, Roy gave you the nod, bro. That's what's up, man. Man, to this day, still my dog. That was my squad, nigga. That's why I had love when he was like, Marvin was fucking with him when we went to Atlanta. I said, bro, that's a good thing.

Shout out to Marvin Williams. My dog. That's my dog. In my head, I'm just thinking like, uh, Marvin was fucking with him when he went to Atlanta? I said, bro, that's a good name. Shout out to Marvin Williams. My dog. In my head, I'm just thinking, like, what if P.J. Tucker went to North Carolina? You would have had the vault for real before the vault. You would have been the guy before the guy. Like, you was already him,

but that would have been even crazier. If you'd have had them keys and what they was rocking back then. Oops. Oops, you know what's up. I would have been raining that. Your feet would have been crazy. Oh, my God. Them keys and what they was rocking back then. Oops. Oops. You know what's up? Oh, boy. Your feet would have been crazy. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay.

I got a question about Texas. Like, what made you choose Texas, though? Like, okay, you didn't go to Carolina. It's still North Carolina State. You said Wake was too hard. You still got Duke. Duke probably hard as fuck, too. Duke wasn't rocking with me.

Coach K was like, I love him. Okay, but why Texas, though too. Duke was rocking with me. Coach K was like, I love him. Okay, but why Texas, though? Rick Barnes, coach of Texas at the time, was from North Carolina. Okay. He coached at Clemson. He got super North Carolina ties. I ain't gonna lie. He came in and won my mom.

He came in on a visit, bro. And while my mom, he walked out of the house, my mom was like, you're going to Texas. And walked out the room and went to the bed. Like, she was not. Like, he won my mom's. We went on a visit. It was old, bro.

It wasn't no, like, she made my decision for me. Like, I ain't even picked. Like, she picked for me. Yo, that's why it's my man's because my mom made my decision. My mom had a dream. No cap. She had a dream. No cap. She had a dream. She told me.

She woke up and said, you going to Wake Forest? I wanted to go to USC, if you be honest. Right. Because OJ was gone. We was turnt. LA. LA. I'm going to USC.

Devon Jefferson. Yeah. Devon Jefferson was there. One of the real ones. Nice. He there. I'm like, ones nice he there I'm like Taj was there I'm like

I'm going to USC my mama's like had a dream said you going to wait for it and once your mama said it was over

that's it it was over it was over I ended up at wait how was it when you got there though for me or nah

bro when you got to Texas man they put me on the plane i had two bags a couple hundred dollars i had no like i had nothing for my dorm room bro like dead ass i got there i had a blanket i had no sheets i have nothing bro like i literally dead ass you a trench baby like real like you already know. Like, I'm in the trenches for real. Like, so it was like that first few months was a struggle, dog. Like, I was like going through it.

Like, for real. And then once you start hooping and everybody like really get to know, it was like, all right. It was like, all right. Like, once you become that guy, it was like, all right. It was like, all right. Like, once you become that guy, it's like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, that's him. Like, it was like everything started falling into place. First, I would say first four or five months. And then when basketball season started, it was up.

And never looked back from the beginning of that. All right. Did niggas give you some bed in the league? Yeah, that's what I'm? I said it without saying it. No, no, no, we ain't got to talk about it. Once I became that guy, it was whatever you need. That's what I wanted to do for long. Apartment me.

I don't got that experience. You went to Texas, it's what, 50,000 students or something? 70, yeah. I went to school, it was 5,000 students. What is that like? They say, you see Shorty, you better holler, because you ain't never going to see her ever again. That's right.

You see somebody, you better say something, because you ain't never going to see it. 70,000 people, bro. Yeah. Like, it's so good. You walk into class, bro, like, you like, where am I going? That's crazy. Auditorium with 600, 700 people in it. So coming from, like, where am I going? Like auditorium with six, 700 people in it.

So coming from like where you come from, Riley, you come from North Carolina. What was that like? Cause I can't imagine. I'm from the West side of Indianapolis. If I would've went to 70,000 people, I don't know what I would've did. Bro, I was in the back.

You know it was like. I was out of this. The Southern hospitality here different, huh? Hey, I'm out of this. Yo, he love Texas Philadelphia. Did anybody on the team, like any sophomore, junior, senior, like pull you to the side, holler at you, get you game? All of them.

Roy Ivy. My dog. Shout out to Roy Ivy. Black. The reason I'm even here, dog. Like, he literally, dog, we would go out, and I'm Joey Ivy, my dog, Black. The reason I'm even here, dog, like he literally, dog, we would go out and I'm green. Like, I'm super green. Like, I ain't green, but I'm like green to the game.

Like, how things work. We would go out, we have fun. I'm like, oh, we gonna go back. He's like, nah, we going to the gym. Our practice facility just got built. So we had like the fingerprint joint, you know what I'm saying? It's like the first year of that joint. So, bro, we would leave the spot and go to the gym. I'm like, go what?

Like, man, you tripping. Bro, literally leave Sixth Street, go to Arena. We going to work out, three in the morning. Damn. We playing full court one-on-one. We getting shots up. Whole nine, bro. Like Roy was like, he was going into his senior year.

So, I ain't even, I'm not even peeping and really realizing. He fighting to get to the league. Like, he fighting to, like, go, like, make it happen. I'm not even peeping. My freshman year, I'm coming from high school. I'm a little kid. He trying to eat. Like, but I was a part of that process for him to, you know what I'm saying?

He used me, like, you know what I'm saying? He grew me and showed me at the same time, like, how hard you got to work and what it take to get there, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, we can have fun, but we're going to get our work in, too. Yeah, that's real. I fuck with Roy Ivey because he did the same thing for me, like,

when I came into the NBA. He was, I don't know if he was, he played for the Hawks already, but he was coming back my rookie year to be, like, try for a 10ks already, but he was coming back my rookie year to be like, try for a 10 day, but he was giving me that same treatment. Like he'll be like, Hey yo, you gotta be in the gym. You gotta be doing this. And it's like to see him as a coach now,

it's no other way I could see him. Like he was always that guy. Yeah. He was always that guy. When he was playing, he was a coach. Yeah. He, I mean, he deserved all the credit in the world. Cause hardest worker I ever known in my world because he's one of them guys.

Crazy, dog. Yeah. Crazy. And that's hard. Somebody like that, you know what I'm saying, set the tone for you in college, you know what I'm saying, that people, obviously, you know who Ivy is, real hoopers know who he what,

but that's crazy that somebody set that tone for you, initiating you with that process. You were an underclassman, he a senior. Like, nah, this a grind. Right. And I'm showing you how you what now. How did that impact you? Like, did that set your work ethic to another level? Man, once he was gone, it was like, nah, this a grind. Right. And I'm showing you how you would now. How did that impact you? Like, did that set your work ethic to another level?

Man, once he was gone, it was like, I'm the hardest worker and I'm the best player. Damn. So it's like, now ain't nobody, it's like, my whole, like, emotion towards all that shit is all, like, different now because I'm looking at dudes like, I'm better than you and I'm not working. I'm not working. So I'm going to giving you both effects. Like we got, mind you, we got LaMarcus,

all just no more playing country coming in. Facts. Booby Gibson, who's top guard. Like we got some guys coming in, but I'm like, nah, this is mine. Like I got this, like you, like, come on. Like, you know what I'm saying? And that's what kind of like built that culture,

like work like, cause train work. LaMarcus, that was all built bro. Like all his jumpers and all the turnarounds. Bro, I seen him do, bro train work. LaMarcus, that was all built, bro. Like, all his jumpers and all the turnarounds. That's his mask. Bro, listen here. Bro, LaMarcus hurt his hip. He hurt his hip. He was out for the season, bro.

Coach Barnes got, like, this tall, like, high chair. And LaMarcus, I swear, bro, everything I love, bro, he would go on his crutches. He would sit there in the chair with an assistant, and he would just shoot that high-release joint he got. Yeah, bro. I swear, one hand, two hands, and then at his hand. Bro, I swear, I seen LaMarcus for hours. Bro, I've never in my life, bro.

He would sit in that chair. He was out for like eight, nine months, bro. He was out for like a year, bro. Wow. Bro, I swear, he came back. It was over. Number one pick. Should've been number one pick.

Stop giving them blues. Marcus was like that. One thing about you, nigga. You done played with some of them ones, bro. Some real ones, bro. But what's crazy is, like people don't give you your credit. When you was at Texas, bro, you was nasty.

I still want to play the years. Bro, you was nasty. Talk about it. I still want to play the years. You was premium? Talk about it. I be having to tell people, like, bro, the NBA will dumb you down a little bit. Bro, you was nasty.

I used to play with you on March Madness, bro. You was crazy. March Madness 07, talk about it. No, you was nasty on March Madness, bro. You was crazy. Marsh Madness 07, talk about it. You was nasty on Marsh Madness, but your handles was weak as fuck. I used to go coast to coast. I know, but you, not on my motherfucking Marsh Madness.

My Xbox, you was assing handles. Wow. I used to be like, God damn, we got to make this nigga center. He going to give me a double-double. This thing can't bring this bitch up. My man, I averaged a double-double. That's a given.

I'm just saying, though, that was the only thing. He going to get that. You know what I'm saying? He had PJ's and Stretch 5 and 05. Oh, God. Nah, you would. For real. Bro, I got a homeboy named Louis, bro.

Named Lou, bro. He used to be like PJ Tucker. Oh. And I used to be like, I used to like, I was a fan of like Hakeem Ward and like random ass nigga. Like Jerry McNamara, Mello. I was a Syracuse nigga. So he was like, man, Texas got them dogs.

And then as I'm like, damn, P.J. Tucker really be killing. But to see how you play in college and then people who don't know ball like that, to watch you in the NBA, they won't realize, like, you was a trained killer. Why we play him? Like, what? Like, what do we? We give him the money for it. Yeah, you was a trained killer, bro.

That's what they say. I'm like a realist. Hey, you ask Jeff, bro. I ain't no. Nah, nah. I'm on here. Like, I give you a thousand, bro. Like, I just really like that.

Like, and people don't know. like, it's a job, dog. Like, this is a job. This ain't, you catch me in pickup, it's a whole nother, it's a whole nother energy. Like, dudes be on Instagram, like, man, I'll bust, like, yo. Yo, relax, my guy. Yo, God, bro. I really tell your ass off. Because that shit, bro, like, sometimes you got to go back and, like,

niggas, they got to go back and look, bro. At Texas, bro, you was different, bro. I you gotta go back and like, niggas, they gotta go back and look bro. At Texas bro, you was different bro. I ain't go like you was different bro. Three, I actually only played two and a half cause I got pulled off the team. So that's the deal with that. We gonna talk about that. We gonna leave that one down.

We gotta hit her there. A little thing. Yeah, we gonna leave that out. Yeah, yeah, and then we got it right back. Texas, I loved it. I know the vibes, but even shit, I'm a YouTube fanatic, so I know how to Rico Hines what. Ay, niggas know it's different when you in there.

This ain't, I'm in Philly, bro. I can get this bitch and tear your ass up. Don't sleep, I'm a professional. Please, please, please don't get it twisted. Like, we can really, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We can get there. I like that, yeah.

Say at the finals, we can get it, yeah. Say at the finals. Nah, we can get it. Gian like that. Save the finals. We can get it. Save the finals. Nah, we can get it. Giannis ain't out here. Ah, that's a fact. Give me the ball. Listen. Listen.

Nah, for real, bro. I can't get the ball for shit, bro. That's fucked up. But anyway. We gonna get to that, but I got a question for you. You was at Texas. You know what I'm saying? Texas basketball was cracking.

Obviously, y'all had a fucking whip. But at the same Texas, you know what I'm saying? Texas basketball was cracking. Obviously y'all had a fucking whip, but at the same time, you know, them Texas boosters care about that Texas football. How was that in comparison going between that? Like y'all was them niggas, but y'all still had to deal with Texas football. Man, they had just won national championship too. Yes, sir.

Oh, you was with Vince, y'all? Bro, that's what made that dynamic cool. Like that was one time where hoops and football like was like this, cause me and Vince like this, Vince my dog, that's my brother to this day. That's my brother. So it was like, we all rocking together.

Vince, Selvin, like we had like everybody. Like it was like, we all rocked together. So it was like one mob bro. So we used to like go out and hang together. It was like movies every time you catch us. It was wild. Austin during that time, I don't know if we were the first school, but we were one of the first schools to ever be preseason number one

in basketball, baseball, and football. That's tough. 06. You look that up. How was the vibes on campus with that? Because I'm thinking about Vince Young and PJ together. Yo. Yo. Hey, yo. The vibes was crazy. Austin was insane, bro. Cause shit I'm thinking about Vince Young and PJ together Yo Hey yo Austin was insane bro

Austin already is a great city But for y'all have one one one In the major sports Houston Street was at It was baseball there He was the pitcher he was about to go number one Y'all was cracking It was crazy

And to watch them win the Rose Bowl That was about to go number one. Like it was. Y'all was cracking. It was, it was crazy. And to watch them win the Rose Bowl, like that was wild watching them win, man. That was wild. That's a moment defining for a lot of people in our age group. Like I remember watching that USC Texas national championship and I still don't know why Reggie Bunch did that lateral.

Man. Reggie. Reggie. I'm so happy, thank you. Reggie. Yeah, Texas wasn't supposed to win that shit. Yeah. Look at him. Look at him. I mean, Reggie. Yeah, Texas wasn't supposed to win that shit. Yeah. Look at him.

Look at him. Everybody was rooting against Texas. Look, I was rooting for Vince Young. I was rooting for Vince Young. I wasn't. Respect to Vince Young. He was the guy, but Reggie Bush was that nigga. He was the first nigga to football a mixtape.

I was rooting for Vince Young. Y'all done seen Vince dancing in his old bro. Like, how he- Vince was really him, bro. Vince was the Heisman, bro. You should've won Heisman, for real. Y'all wanna do this? You should've won Heisman. You should've won.

I'm rolling with you, bro. I know that shit, man. I ain't gonna lie. Reggie Bush had the highest... The highlights like that. He had 500 yards of wood. He's the greatest fucking college football player ever, P.J.

Reggie Bush is the greatest college football player ever. I want to talk about it. Ever. Elite mixtapes. Bo Jackson, I don't even know. Oh, you disrespect. We wasn't watching Bo Jackson. Well, Chamberlain is the best scorer ever in the NBA.

How old are you? I'm not as old as you. How old are you? You said we not watching Bo Jackson. Nigga, you didn't grow up watching fucking Bo Jackson run the ball like you did Reggie Bush. You saw more Reggie Bush than you did Bo Jackson. I'm a grown ass man watching Reggie Bush.

You ain't Dominique Wilkins age, nigga. I was grown. You PJ Tucker, not PJ. I was grown. I was grown watching Barry Sanders. Not PJ Brown. No, yeah, you ain't PJ Brown. You're PJ Tucker.

Oh, not PJ Brown. Wow. PJ Brown is wild. What the fuck? PJ Brown is wild. Hey, respect. PJ Brown made an all-star team. Respect it.

I don't give no fuck about none of that. You're respected. P.J. Brown, 50. This nigga, 38. Listen. You out watching fucking Bo Jackson like he was Reggie Bush. I grew up watching Barry Sanders. No disrespect to your eyes.

I didn't grow up watching Reggie Bush. No disrespect to your eyes. I like Reggie Bush. I thought Reggie Bush was nice. The guy. Miss your nigga, but I get it. He did have 500 yards in one game. Bro, he's so great.

He did. That was crazy. 500 yards in total yards in one game. Bro, he's so great. That was crazy. 500 yards total offense in one game? He did. I wish he would have won Heisman. He did. Who won? Allegations.

Oh, yeah. They took it. Allegations. They took it away. They took it away. All right, cool. It's a great transition, though. Absolutely.

Because he a motherfucker for that. Yeah, that's true. They took his hype away. I'm still hot if this ain't winning. I don't care. I'm still hot. All right, so look. You go from Texas.

Mm-hmm. Doing killing. Let's not get it fucked up. You was killing. When the draft come, you expect to be a first round pick. My draft was trash, too. I ain't going to hold you. Our draft is one of the worst.

It is. It's rated one of the worst. It is. It's rated one of the worst. I literally was sitting there like, I cooked him. I know I'm going. Yeah. All right. Next one. You know how like-

Yeah, yeah. I know the feeling, bro. The draft is different. The draft is like that real like- Yeah. Nah, I already know. That shit different. Yeah. Rob Markman, the guy that's like, you know how like- Rob Markman, the guy that's like, you know how like- Rob Markman, the guy that's like, you know how like-

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Nah, it's wild. It is. It's wild. It really is. And the way it happened, like, you know, being out, coming back, like all coming on the back end of it, like not giving up. Cause it was like, I tried to give up a couple times.

Like, I really was like, yo, I'm done. Like, I'm done. Yeah. All right, so your rookie year, you were Toronto. Yes, sir. I'll never forget. We on the bus. You got one of the most fire stories that I feel like the most inspirational stories ever.

Like, he told me a story that made me feel like, damn. I wish I would've heard that story when I was in my first or second year. You know what I'm saying? Would you be able to tell us a story about, like, Toronto? I would rather you tell it, because... Alright, so he told me a story about Toronto. We on

the bus one day. Him on the back of the bus. He's like, yo, you know what's crazy, bro? When I was in Toronto, I thought I was a shit he's like yo i had this house i had a penthouse i was living i was doing this and i wasn't playing like that but i wasn't working that hard either and they had a camp they had a a basically a camcorder recording me in my workouts and doing shit that i was doing and they basically pulled me in the office and doing shit that I was doing and they basically pulled me in the office and showed me

what I was doing how I wasn't working how I wasn't doing this and he got cut and to know that if I would have knew that when I was in my first second year

I would have like that people do that I would have carried myself totally different even though I wasn't fucked up but I would have been like damn because I Even though I wasn't fucked up, but I would have been like, damn. Because I respected him. I see him at Texas.

He did more shit at Texas than I did at Wake Forest. You know what I mean? So I'm like, if I would have heard that for a young guy now, I would love for him to tell it because I had to give it to justice. I like you tell it because it's like, you can... I tell that story so many times, even to young guys now, and you can respect it and understand it because you can look at it in hindsight. But guys in a position, now with all the podcasts,

and we talk about it a little bit, they get it. So they try to listen to it a little bit more. But it's like, until it happened to you, that shit don't hit. It don't hit really high. That stomach, you know what I'm saying? When that stomach drop, when you ain't got no job, and that lease up on that penthouse, and you ain't got no check, and your mom mortgages you bought that new heart, that crib. It's like, that shit hit different. It really do. And then from a basketball standpoint,

you like so high on being that guy, right? Like you like, I'm all American. You that nigga. I'm him. Like, yo, what are we talking? Hold up. Like, oh, I ain't gonna sub me in tonight? All right, I'm ready tomorrow.

Oh, I'm not subbing in. So now I'm not working. Cause I'm like, yo, I'm him. Y'all not playing me. It's the trickle down of all that. And then on the end, it's like that, like, and this is how you've been working. It's like, in some moments, it's like, it's either you're going to be like, nah, this ain't for me. It's either you going to be like, nah, this ain't for me. It's they fault.

Or you're going to be like, yo, I ain't shit, bro. Like, I'm really on some bullshit. And that's the change. It's like that intersection where it's like, you're going to go that way and blame them and not stand up and be a man. You know what I'm saying? Or you're going to be like, yo, I'm on bullshit. I got to get my shit together.

What you do? what was your reaction when you saw that shit though? Bro, I felt like shit, bro. That's the worst moment of my life to this day. I've never, there's nothing that can top that. Cause you talk all this shit. Yeah, you with your boys. You like, you know how it is.

Like, yeah, give me the ball. Like, I'm him. Like, all this shit. And then to watch yourself, you like, yo, I ain't shit, bro. Like, I'm really a bad person. Like, I'm really, like, I'm faking shit. Like, I'm really fake. That changed your whole everything.

It changed my life. That shit changed my life. Yeah. That was some shit, though, that you got to look back to. Royale was trying to show your ass. He showed me. Not real. And that's what makes it real.

Because he like, yo, look, we in here. Like we in here. We here on the number one team in the country. Boom, boom, boom. Starting guard. Like he in there. I seen him do it. That shit crazy.

Yeah. But that's what the league do though. That's the league. Now I'm getting checks. Now I'm, you think you made it right? Oh, now you made it, right? All right. All right.

That first deal, you feel like you knew. What? I got that new Escalade. I got the chain. Listen, man, by my mom's crib, man. Ain't nothing nobody can tell me. Relax, man. No.

You just getting started. That shit gone. I wish somebody was like, yo, that whole, all that little check you just signed, that shit gone already. Yeah. So what happened after you did that? After that happened, what was the next step for you?

I was out. I was going straight to Europe. Damn. I was out. I didn't even wait. Memphis, Cleveland, a bunch of calls. I was going to. I already signed a deal.

I was like, yo, I'm going over. Sam Mitchell was like, yo. And Sam Mitchell was a blessing, too, because he had already played in Europe, boom, boom. Came back. He was like, yo, you need to go to Europe. He's like, I'm telling you, it's going to be the best thing that ever happened to me. Damn. Mind you, he's my NBA coach.

I'm looking at him like, man, what? Man, what the fuck? Yeah, he got me. I'm like, yo, you got me all the way fucked up. I'm looking at him like, yo, ain't no way. He told me that shit like, it was like February that year. It was super like early in the year. And I'm looking like, man, we in the NBA, bro. Like, what are you talking about?

Yeah. Deadass. As soon as that shit happened in our head, boom, we out. Signed to go to Israel. Damn. Best thing I ever did. How was that? Amazing.

They say Israel like the Miami. Israel is like Miami, New York, and Europe. Damn, overseas? It's like that? It's like that. My little brother went to Israel. He told me like, All that stuff you see on TV, on CNN,

it ain't nothing like that. I'll tell you right now. As soon as you land, it's like New York City on the beach. I see Call of Duty. Oh, this nigga. All right, man. Good luck.

He always out of pocket. All right. He said Modern Warfare 2. That's cracking over there. Them be the same ones. Be like, get over there. Be like, hey, boy. Why you ain't coming back?

Hey, give me a two day too, bro. Put your mom on the phone. So you go to Israel. How long did you stay overseas? Because you was overseas. You was killing. I was killing, bro. Nah, you was him overseas.

Bro, and this is why we talking about like, that shit made me who I am now. Okay. Because being a man and winning chips and winning VPs and really going at it. I won that year. I Markman. Okay. Because being a man and winning chips and winning MVPs and really going at it. I won that year, I won both. The year after that, I won MVP, but I didn't win the chip. We lost the chip.

Being the guy makes you understand what it takes to be the guy that God needs. Rob Markman. Damn, that's a bar. You know what I'm saying? You might have to say that again, bro. Rob Markman. Yeah, it, really. It really is. And that being the guy over there made me, like, mold, like, who I am now, who I've been over the last six, seven years is, like,

really understanding that, right? Like, I had some of the most amazing role guys on my team over the years. And getting back in the league and building myself again, it was like, oh, I know exactly how to do that. Like, that's easy. Yeah. But what was the process getting back to the league? I mean, going overseas and then being a star.

Like, a lot of people, like, I see Shane Larkin. Yeah. He overseas is killing. But he don't want to come back to the league. No, and I didn't either. I just signed a huge deal. Like, I wasn't trying to come back. I dead ass, I was done, bro.

I'm seeing, you know how it be. I'm seeing all these dudes sign these deals. I'm like, man, I'm cool on that shit. For real. I'm good. I moved here. I built myself up. I signed this huge deal. I'm like, I'm good. I had an NBA out until August 15th. Summer League. Phoenix

offered me the deal. And I was like, nah, I'm good. I was like, I'm good. I, nah, I'm good. Damn. I was like, I'm good. I'm like, I'm good. My agent's like, nah, yo, you wildin'. Yeah, you trippin'. He's like, nah, you trippin'.

Like, nah, this is it. I'm like, nah, I'm good. Like, I don't want to do it. Like, you literally had to talk me into it, bro. Damn. Like, how you, like, that sound crazy, right? You like, yo, you lying. Like, they literally had to talk me into signing back into the NBA.

Nah, I understand the grind of the NBA and how you can go from being so high overseas, starting, being that guy to go back to the 15th man. You back in the grind of being nobody. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, I'm everything over there. That's me, autograph over there, going crazy. You see your face, you getting statues. You hear me? Like, it's crazy.

Shout out to Stephon Marbury. Yeah. No. Statues, for real. For real. It's different. It's different. You held it at another level.

Besides your age and forcing it, I mean, the NBA is always a dream. Right. Did that come back into your head? Like, yo, the NBA is a dream. I still didn't think I was going to, well, it happened and it happened. I still didn't think I was going to, well, it happened and it ended up happening. I still didn't think I was going to make the money I did and do all that. I still didn't see all that.

I didn't see it yet. So when you signed back with the Phoenix, what was your vibe? It was like, just being able to get on the court. I was like, yo, I just want to play. Mind you, Mike Beasley just signed, like, it was a bunch of wings. They just signed Wes Johnson. Like, it was a bunch of guys. It was a good team, solid team.

So it was like, yo, here we go. But I had already implemented the grind. I had already been all that stuff out from rookie year. I was already on some shit. So when I got there, it was like, I was on some shit. So it was like. I know you was different, cause was on some shit. So it was like. I know you was different cause we competing against you.

Right. So you came in Mike Beasley, number two pick, posted, you know, supposed to be that guy. But when we competed against you, it was like, yo, don't bring PJ up in the pick and roll. Right. Like, don't bring him up. Like he about to play hard as hell.

Like get the other up here. Like don't bring him up in the pick and roll. He about to guard the shit out you. And I could tell the energy and the effort you was playing with. But you could tell, like, yo, I'm playing for something. Right. Like, I'm playing for my life. Like, it's different.

You know that vibe. Yeah. Over the years, it's different. When you get them kind of guys that's, like, really fighting for their life. Like, I don't know if I'm going to be here. And all respect to Beez. Like, Beez is one of the best players I've ever played against in my life. Cold. Like, literally would destroy against in my life. Cole.

Literally would destroy me in practice daily. Cole. Oh, my God. Crazy. He my high school year. He Cole. Oh, my God. All right.

He went through the legs on us. He was getting 40 and 30 in college. He was getting 40 and 30. Nigga, I went to his game. You know James Johnson, my dog. We went to his college game. They played one same mistake. He had 40 and 20.

He's different. You know what's crazy? Back in that time period, it wasn't too crazy who was going number one between B's and D. Rose. Niggas forget. For real. It was real close. And I was picking B's.

Right. A lot of people was. B's is like that. Nah, bro. He was getting 40 and 20. Nah, you know I'm a B's fan, but I was still going to pick D. Rose. I wasn't. He still did his thing. You was more of a Bill Walker fan, but I was still going to pick D. Rose. He still did his thing.

You was more of a Bill Walker fan, though. Yeah, I fucked with Bill Walker, but I knew all about Bill Walker and Mike Bees. Huh? Huh? No. He just said you was more of a Bees fan because he's doing too much. I'm saying Bill Walker played. I'm good with lighting fires, BJ, if you don't know.

He's trying to be. Yeah, but you directed your energy this way. I don't know. I don't know what DJ was doing. DJ just trying to have- I'm Lil Wayne with the lighter flick. You know what I'm saying? I know what to do.

That's cool. Shout out to my nigga Bill. Don't do that. But Mike Beasley versus Derrick Rose. I'm just saying, give me Derrick Rose. I'm not wrong. Nah, I love Pooh. It was close.

It wasn't as easy as nigga Sandy was. Pooh, my favorite. He top five. Shout out to Derrick Rose. Oh, my God. Boy, that boy loves that Pooh, boy. Hey, listen. Me and Wes niggas.

That boy loves that. But let's get back on topic. How was your stint in Phoenix, though? How was that for you? Phoenix was everything. Like Phoenix really because it was the opportunity meets timing. Like it was like the perfect time in my career and I was ready for it. And it was like, it was really like my rookie year.

Like it's how it should have been. You know what I'm saying? And that's how I took it. It was like, I don't even count that. Like that was still like whatever. Like this is it right here. And that's how I carried it. It was like, I don't even count that. Like, that was still, like, whatever. Like, this is it right here. And that's how I carried it every game, bro. Like, I really, like, took control of it.

You know what I'm saying? And I had the right coaching staff. Like, it was perfect, bro. And then, like, real talk, from being 15th man in August, when I signed, I was starting on December 31st. Damn. And I've been starting ever since. You earned that shit, bro.

You know what's crazy? I don't know what year this was for him in Phoenix, but the W Hotel was popping in Phoenix. Uh-oh. Fuck it. This is my nigga. We going to talk real talk about it. W Hotel popping in Phoenix. Stupid, yeah.

Me, couple of the guys pull up. They like, yo, you seen PJ Tucker whip? I'm like, who? Yes, sir. I'm like, who? Who got the whip? They like, PJ Tucker. I'm like, I ain't see it.

They like, go outside. Nigga had a Mercedes. Bro, what's the shit? You know what I'm talking about. What's the one? The SLS. Bro, he had the Mercedes. The gold wing joint.

The wings? Yeah. Nigga's like, go outside. The wings is up. I go outside. It's him, the wings. I'm like, who is he? They like, oh, he went overseas and got millions.

He came back. This is light paper. What he getting at? I'm like, how is he? They like, oh, he went overseas and got millions. He came back. This is light paper. What he getting now? I'm like, how much he get? He got me thinking about going overseas. I'm like, they get how much overseas? He like, yeah, he got that. I'm like, damn, he get that?

Going overseas? Oh, shit. Yeah, I'm about to go play for Maccabi. I swear to God, bro. That was my first time ever seeing it. And I'm like, yo, that car crazy. I never seen that shit. That was different, too, because I came back.

I know. I had everything. You know what I'm saying? So it was like. It's different. Everybody's looking at me like, where you come from? Yeah, that shit was crazy. I'm outside like, nigga.

It's niggas that's been in the league with hundreds of millions talking about this nigga car. And I'm like... Shut the tone. Yeah. And to know him now, it's like, I get it. I get it. Now I know him, I get it. But to go for Phoenix,

you know, had a success that you had playing, but to start seeing young dudes like TJ Warren, Devin Booker, and them to call you their OG, like, how that feel? That shit was different. Because you instantly, like, I instantly become OG, like, without a lot of, like, NBA years. Yeah. Right?

Like, it's like, exactly. Because they respect, they with me every day, so they see how hard I work and all that stuff and how I've been around, but it's like, I'm around. And you know me.

I'm around, so I directly relate to them and they're like, yo, you know what I'm saying? I'm taking them to dinner. I'm doing everything and they around me. And to be an OG,

it's like, I wasn't even looking at it like that, for real. Especially in the beginning. Especially the book years. I didn't look at it like that. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy. So now, he's still, every time we talk OG, I'll be like, bro. That's hard, though.

It's crazy. To know you and play on a team with you, you got the type of energy that make you fuck with you. Even just being on the podcast now, we all been joking for hours before we even started this. So you feel his energy. But to be around that every day, I can see how a young guy be like, yeah, I want to learn from him.

Because I see how hard you work. Me and him Shooting shots I've been walking I'm on my last leg I really don't give a fuck Yeah If we being honest I didn't give a fuck

But the I'm shooting against him Cause I know he give a fuck Like he care Like he And we shooting We have a shootout This nigga shoot for hours

I'm like I'm like yo I'm about to go to my Half of a bedroom apartment It's not a full bedroom It's a half of a bedroom apartment This is how much I didn't give a to go to my half of a bedroom apartment. It's not a full bedroom. It's a half of a bedroom apartment. This is how much I ain't give a fuck.

I had a half of a bedroom apartment. Damn, what are you talking about? What you talking about? Damn, T, you wasn't in the studio, was you? We called it a half. No, no, it was called his half bedroom apartment. Damn. So this nigga one day going to say, hey, T, I'm going to call your crib.

I said, fuck you, eh? And he said, no, you, I brought Nevin with me to his crib, bro. I said, no, you're not. I put him outside. He came outside. I said, bro, you, I brought Nevin with me to his crib, bro. I said, no, you're not. I put him outside. He came outside. I said, bro, you really not gonna let me go to your house, bro? My nigga living in the tracks. His nigga house is a trap, nigga.

That's their room, nigga. Trap on T, bro. I said, no, the fuck you not pulling up. Dead ass, bro. But now to see how hard he work, I see how a young guy would, you should want to be around that energy. Yeah, and that's how I like,

like really, like Book's the one. Cause Book was like one that I really like from day one, him getting drafted to like pushing him and like really like putting it like, like being like, yo, you him bro. Like before he even like, and he knew he was him, but it's like, I didn't guard it. I didn't guard it. These guys, I guard these guys every night. Like, you got that, bro.

Like, you're not just good. Like, you're about to be legendary. Like, you one of them. And he really like, bro, listen, to see his progression, like, so fast. It was like from being like Rook to like Rook the best player on our team. Like, now. Like, not next year. That nigga didn't even start in college.

Bro, listen, bro. Talk about it. It was like a shot out of a bullet, like a bullet out of a gun, bro. I swear to you, every day it was like, he would do something, everybody be like, yo, like, oh my God. Nigga, I started, I guarded him the first game he started.

Bro. In Atlanta, he started, Earl Watson started the nigga. I guarded him. And I'm like, you know, I'm like, what the fuck? And he shot 20 shots. I'm not lying. What'd he give you?

I don't know what he had. We beat they ass. That's when we was rolling. Best team in the league. Yeah, we was rolling. Hey, P. Come on, man. I'm fucking with you.

Don't say that on this podcast. It was, bro. P. He disrespects that. He's a Hawks hater. P. What? You ever seen the little giants?

He was the fucking quarterback on that week-ass team. He always comes to me. P, don't be up here. You laughing at shit. I'm serious, nigga. Don't talk about that week-ass team. They always hate me, man. Don't talk about your rook story, nigga.

Don't talk about your rook story. Don't. Don't talk about your Rook story. Don't ever say that. That was the best fricking NBA. Yeah, we was nice. He always do that shit. I hated playing them. I told you we hate them. Like they was tough.

I tried to get PJ on our team. That was tough. But that nigga went to Houston. He went to Houston. I went to Houston this day. Demar just left. Yeah, I tried to get him. Oh, yeah.

Listen. Because, no, he was in Toronto. Yeah. What year was that? Oh, 16, 17. Yeah, you was in Toronto, and we was talking about him. See, I would have fucked with you, though, if you'd have went, because you would have replaced Damari.

Yeah, we would have. So PJ would have got the all-star, not I would have fucked with him. He went to Toronto. So I'm like, damn, we should get him. This nigga, Garbron. We couldn't fuck with Garbron. We couldn't fuck with Garbron. To be fair, nobody could. I respect it.

During that time, nobody listened. Nobody fucking with Garbron. But he ain't. He said you could compete. I can fight him. I can fight him. He ain't give a fuck about Garbron. Yeah, it was whatever. At this time, I feel like, I'm like, yeah, we got to find niggas to go with ain't give a fuck about going brah. Right. Yeah. It's whatever. At this time I feel like I'm like, yeah, we got five niggas to go out brah.

We get brah. Everybody. Nigga we can't be brah. I can't believe you just said that. I only fucked them cause my nigga, I used to be like, man, I hope my nigga get 30 every night. But they, every time I used to see them come across a little ESPN, these whole ass niggas done won again.

They went on the stupid streak too. They were winners. I'm like that nigga better have 30 every night. They used to like, it'd be a different leading scorer. He used to really move the ball. He used to really run the show. I used to hate. He did. I used to hate playing him.

Nah, he did. So his all-star out of that shit was definitely Desire, bro. I used to give him shit. All of them. If people hated on it. Hold on, hold on. See, P, you be proud that. No, go ahead. You know, they only supposed to have two or three. They almost put the whole team on that motherfucker.

I'm going to say right now, when Kyle go around that, he was nothing. He was disrespectful. I loved it. We ain't going to disrespect Kyle on here. We're not. That's what's not going to happen. We're not going to disrespect Kyle on here. That's not happening.

That's my dog. That's my. I'll fuck with him to the end. That's not happening. That's my dog. That's my. I fuck with him to the end. All right. So. After. After Phoenix, where'd you go? Oh, wait.

I want to. It was Toronto, right? Before we get to Toronto, I want to talk about when niggas really started to notice that you was the guy. Because I remember, obviously, I pay attention. Jeff, no. I pay attention to heat. But I'll never forget,

dog, when you pulled out them fucking Red Octobers in Phoenix. Yeah. I said, oh, I said,

oh, I said, oh, this is different. He had the Sean Marion Jordans in Phoenix. This is why I came across his gram

because I thought I was like him. I said, this nigga got Sean Marion. P.E.s. P.E.s. Y'all wasn't outside for P.E.s.

That was a hunt. Yeah, you can look at this camera, the feets. We know. I wasn't going to go to the shoe party. Oh, no, no, no. I just had to put a little bit of that. I was going to get his hoop story up, but we can go there.

No, we can get to the hoop, but I couldn't pass Phoenix without that. I want to ask you a question when I play for the Pacers. Oh, okay. Let's talk about it. Okay, remember, we had, so me and P got cool from Ciroc and NBA All-Star. I'm just going to leave it there. Say less. Say less.

So I know this nigga, but I'm on the Pacers now with Lance, and Lance shoots a last-second shot. Tom is running out. Tom is running out. Only Jim. It's five seconds left. Lance lays it in. We up like 10.

Only Jim. And he hits the layup. We up like 10. Only 10. And he hits the layup. I'm like, damn. I know what this is about to come with. Jamari and PJ beeline to Lance. Oh, yeah. They like, you bitch ass nigga. I'm like, whoa.

Lance is on my team. So I'm like, whoa. Y'all got to chill. Lance is walking straight to the tunnel. They like, we going to fuck him up. So I'm like, I, y'all got to chill. Lance is walking straight to the tunnel. They like, we're going to fuck him up. So I'm like, I ain't about to do shit. I'm not taking no texts, no fines, nothing. It ain't my battle.

So I'm like, yo, y'all chill. Y'all chill tomorrow. Like, nah, he got me fucked up, T. PJ said, move, little nigga. I said, damn, we just had some rock together. What is he on? Nah, fuck y'all little date, nigga. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, Fuck y'all little C-Rock date. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, That weak ass bitch.

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Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, Bro, to this day, bro, you know, let me say this first. The illest part about that story, you know how YouTube is with the kids and shit? Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, Yeah. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, My son 11, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he who, he bro, you know, let me say this first. The illest part about that story, you know how YouTube is with the kids and shit? Yeah. My son 11, like, he who, bro, my son was like, yo, dad, why you so mad at Lance Stevenson when he met Deloitte?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he don't get it. He like, yo, you was wilding. Like, nah, I'm like, nah, it's a respect thing, son. Like, NBA, like, game's over. Like, you still trying to score. Like, game over. Like, ain't nobody trying to score. Dribble it out. You dribble it out. You hold the ball. Yeah. You know, it's over. Like, you still trying to score. Like, game over. Like, ain't nobody trying to score.

Dribble it out. You dribble it out. You hold the ball. You know, it's respect. It's integrity. Like, it's what you do. Game is in the game. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Game's over. And he faked like he was going to dribble it out. He went to score. You know, and I ain't like that. He's like, okay. But he still was looking like, yo, you wilding. But I'm like, nah, like, to this day. Did y'all know that was his first game back?

Yes, bro. And that's what, I don't know, for me, that's what triggered me even more. It was like, he was trying to boost his shit. I fucked with it. I want to see. I fucked with it. We talked about this, Jeff.

I was like, yeah. Look, I get a locker room. I ain't do shit on the court. I'm a hoe ass. Y'all like, yeah, fuck them niggas. Mind you, we thinking we going gonna play them in the playoffs. It's the end of the season, right? So it's like, we about to like,

so that's how I just got there. But they like, yo, they been battling Indiana all year. Like, they like already giving me the back story. So I'm like, all right, cool. So when they beat us, it was like a thing. Like we about to play them in the playoffs. Like, all right. So it was like, as soon as he did that,

it was like, all right, y'all. I think y'all was a two seed. We fuck around. Lost another game. We had to play brawn. Y'all lost. And it didn't matter. All that bullshit that went on because Cleveland zipped both of us.

Yeah. I said, we got to play brawn. That was LeBron. To me, that was LeBron's best year. Oh, we going to play tomorrow? We at least go seven games. That was LeBron's best year. Was that LeBron?

That was the most unstoppable LeBron James that year. Was that in Miami? That was LeBron's first year back in Cleveland, right? That was the most unstoppable LeBron James that year. That was LeBron first year back in Cleveland, right? That was first year back in Cleveland. I'm rolling. I'm rolling with you on that one. That's LeBron. That was first year. Most unstoppable?

Listen. Listen, listen. I'm telling y'all. I'm not even debating it. That LeBron was unstoppable. Nah. Fuck no. He turned that trash.

When he went against Paul Pierce and then when he was in that Miami jersey, what year was that? 2011 or 2012. When he went crazy on the 12th. That had to be 12. Nah, bro. That nigga was retarded, bro. The wrong first year back in Cleveland when he had the weak ass mustache and Kyrie and Kevin Love was out, he was eating, nigga.

That was the one. No, he was killing. No. Listen, bro. That was 2006. He was showing like how, like he showed the physicality that year of like niggas can't was doing one. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, 2 Chainz, 2 Chainz. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, 2 Chainz. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, 2 Chainz. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, 2 Chainz. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, 2 Chainz. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, 2 Chainz.

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We had a game. Buckets. Where did he leave? I can't get back. Kyrie had tore his shit. I think it was that year he had tore his shit. And we had a game, and I think I had gave De La Dova like something crazy. I think it was that year he had tore his shit. And we had a game and I think I had gave Della Dover like something

crazy. And I told the nigga, yeah, it's going to be a long... I was like, it's going to be a long fucking night. He was like, can you score more than me, nigga? And I was like, yeah. Della Dover told you that? No, bro. I was going to say, Della told you that?

He told me, yeah. I'm like, look, Boosie told you that- It's about, yeah. Yeah, I'm like, look, look, I'm Boosie in the crowd, feel about it, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, bro. Bro, I'm like, well, you got to show me. Nigga, I had, I averaged 18. I averaged 18 that series, man.

Probably like 38. Oh my God, man. Man, I ain't had nothing, bro. Oh my God. That's the fuck I was like 38. Oh my God, man. I ain't had nothing, bro. That's the fuck I was talking about. So when did the league start noticing you for your fashion shit? When did that become a thing? Like what year you think that took off?

All that shit came from me and James, dog. From Houston, the whole tunnel thing. That was like that, the evolution of that, the way Houston built too, it was perfect too. Cause the way, you know how it is, like that walkway right there, it's a long ass walkway, and it's really like a walkway, and it was just built off that.

So y'all started the tunnel flicks. We definitely. Talk about it. Nah, I'm just saying. Nah, these niggas was real life getting fly as fuck. No, they was real life setting up shop. I remember one time we played them, and I'm like, I don't wear shit.

Tech swag. Yeah, me and Yana's the same person. Same, same. I can't get my check and come live in Indiana. Right, right, right. I ain't try to press shit. So one day, we about to play them. And they stopping.

I'm like, damn, they whips is crazy. So I'm looking at their cards. Oh, no. I'm like, damn, Manita, they whips is crazy. So I'm looking at their cars. I'm like, yo, these niggas' cars is crazy. I like cars. I'm like, their cars is nice. But they not coming in. I'm like, damn, what the fuck these niggas waiting on? I'm like, I'm gonna kill these niggas.

They think we like... They gonna wait? But no, they come in with shit. I'm like, God damn it. Rob Markman, Jr.: It's a production. Rob Markman, Jr.: I'm like, these niggas can dress. Rob Markman, Jr.: It's up. I'm like, it's a production. I'm like, these niggas can dress.

It's up. PJ had Kane Walker. We played him in the playoffs. This nigga had like a suit on. I'm like, what the fuck? And James had some shit on. I'm like, oh, these niggas are serious. I had on Nike tech.

We like took advantage of that shit. Yeah, they made it. It was like turning that into Fashion Week and knowing brands and getting stuff. It took it to a whole nother level. Now, I love it because you see so many young guys now start doing it and take it to another level. But it's like a thing because we really... We didn't try to do it, but it was just kind of our styles. I've been getting dressed every game.

Been doing it. But Houston, like social media, they took it to another level. That's what's up. That's what's up. Y'all pioneered this shit that we see now. Yeah. For sure.

Since we transitioned off basketball, like you had a great career. We gon, like we ain't, nigga, you, you know, you an NBA champion. We gon get to our Milwaukee shit, but. We gotta get to Milwaukee. For sure. The fact that how you got fashion going and how people are responding to it in the NBA

is amazing. Like, playing with you, you used to come in the locker room. I'd be like, yo, this nigga really just put shit on. And I ain't no groupie nigga. I'm like, this nigga really fresh. I used to be shitty because I would be like, fuck. Look at my essential hoodie again. God damn.

I used to be like, and then I would get the shoes and then he would come with some shit like, T, you seen these? The fuck? I ain't got these. This nigga is fucking different. And he made me quit. Even when I tell him, I said, I retire from sneakers. And I'm going to show love because my nigga, he humble.

But Jeff been about that. Jeff been had that shit. He really do. He really got it. Him and Thad Young, two niggas I knew who was humble about this shit, but had that work. But when he told me how you was operating, I said, yeah, it's different. I told you, I humbly bowed out.

I said, I ain't going to buy shoes no more. He came in talking shit, though. When he first came, he was like, nigga, I got those. Like, oh, man, what? I got this. I'm like, ooh. I'm like, where did you got that, like, oh, man, what? I got this, that, I'm like, ooh, I'm like, where did you got that? I'm like, okay, okay, Jeff got some shit.

He started bringing shit, I'm like, okay, Jeff got some work. Then it got spooky. Yeah, it got ugly. It got spooky. It got ugly and fast. Yeah, it sure as hell. It got ugly fast.

He started showing why you had two closets in the locker room instead of two. Yeah, he got ugly. It got ugly fast. That nigga had, he had Kobe P's. I was like, damn. And now that's. And that was like, that's like minimum.

That ain't even like fire. That's like everyday stuff. Yeah, that's not even fire. When that nigga came with LeBrons that LeBron didn't have. Yeah, the LeBron stuff is where you go like next level. But he had 10 shoes that LeBron didn't have. We worked out before a game. I swear, I'll never forget.

He put them on. I said, what the fuck is up? He was like, oh, these LeBron. What was they, like bronze? So it was wear test samples between two different LeBrons before they had decided which LeBron they was dropping, right? So it was like which actual model. It was like a mix between two models.

It was 15 and 16, I think. It was crazy. It was a wear test. We was shooting around, and he got them on. I don't know what the fuck they are. I don't know what the fuck it is. He's like, these are test samples. So then Bron, like, where you get them from?

Now that's crazy. I'm like, them yours. And then there's another episode. Giannis, he got his team joints coming out. He come in with him before him. I told him his team's was better than his regular shoes. He like, how you seen my team? Just I was like, I'm gonna wear them in the game.

He's like, okay. Nigga come in the locker room. Like, yo, I got the team. And Giannis like, yo, let me see him. I never seen him before. I'm on the side. Like how that work? The fuck? That was cap. He seen him. He just hadn't yo, let me see him. I never seen him before. I'm on the sideline. How'd that work? What the fuck?

That was Cap. He seen him. He just hadn't worn yet. He seen him. I don't know, but that's what he said. I know he said that, but he seen him. He just hadn't worn yet. Yeah, I was like, what?

You ain't got these? What the fuck? Still for another. And then you know his brother. No, no, no. We don't have them. We don't have them. I'm like, T.A., y'all ain't got them?

Nah. And what's crazy is I know a little bit about shoes, you know what I'm saying? When I seen only you and Lori Markin had certain LeBrons, I'm like, hmm, that size run a little bit different, huh? That little sample size a little bit different. Nah, when it come to this shoe shit, bro, he different. Oh, nah. When it come to fashion, he different.

When you had the Dolce & Gabbana, I don't even know how to say this shit. That's how you know I don't wear shit. Look. But that's all built off of all that stuff we was talking about, bro. It really just came from that. That's hard. And that's the ill shit about it. It didn't take a whole lot of nothing else.

Just showing interest and doing it every night and just that dedication to it. It's like, yo, okay, you got style. I like it. Boom. Now we meet. Boom. How would you like this? Boom. Now we got a collab. Boom. Is fashion like a passion?

That's for sure. For sure. I hoop because I hoop. The hooping is like you are. It's like blood. That's how we grow up. It's like everything we do. But then you start to learn yourself and stuff you like and what you're really into.

And I was just naturally into fashion and really wearing fashion. It was not even just me. It was like, yo, dressing women. It got so much bigger, and I started to realize how much more I like so much more of it. It was like, yo, this is what I really into. Rob Markman, So it's safe to say after you done pooping, you going to have- DJ Premier, I'm going to desire for sure.

Rob Markman, I got a question on that. Obviously you got your own shop that's going crazy. You see hip hop artists, like for real, getting that creative job at Louis. What brand of house would you like to have PJ Tucker get his collection at or have your touch on? DJ Premier, That bro, I swear, is the number one asked question. I have no idea. No idea?

Right now, because I really don't know the direction I want to go in next. Like, I done did a few collabs at this point, and it's like, all right. Like, I done dibbled and dabbled here and there. And it's tough, because you always, like, I could just throw off some stuff out there, but it's like, oh, would I really do that right now? Or like whatever, like, especially while you hooping, it's always tough. Is it like the time? But now Pharrell and Louis bro, like there's no way I would never want to do that.

That's like elite. That's the elite of the elite. Rob Markman, We had a podcast before that. I'm not a Pharrell Dresden fan. He's not. I'm glad that you're here because you a fashion guru. He don't fuck with Skateboard P. I don't.

Okay, listen. We had a debate. I'm glad. Damn, it's here. Alright, fuck the basketball shit. Yeah, fuck all that basketball shit. Listen, he an NBA champion. We going to tell some of our funny stories about Milwaukee.

How KD was cooking us and shit. KD was tearing us up. It was fucking us up. Shout out to the toe on the line. Shout out to my toe. Shout out to the toe. Shout out to my ball. Fuck it.

God. I don't even know what my Ford truck that's still running. Because the guy was ready to put my shit up and take my ass home. And what game was that? Game four we lost? That was game two. Was it two? Yeah, we got to be by 50.

Yeah, Jeff was like, yeah, I'm about to do it. My truck running. I'm about to go to Indy. That's crazy. I'm going home. It's over. But shout out to Vontae Davis. I was retiring that half time.

He was done. He was done. I was done. But we talk about fashion, so we get back on that. You've been putting that shit on. You've been that guy. You've been doing all that shit. But how did you get started with the sneakers, though? Like, what was your first sneaker?

How did that shit even become a thing? That's some Carolina shit, though. Like, Michael Jordan being from Carolina. Yeah. Loving Carolina. first sneaker. How did that shit even become a thing? That's some Carolina shit, though. That's like Michael Jordan being from Carolina. Loving Carolina. They came from that. So, like, back then, you'd get J's to wear them. We literally used to cop our J's, put them on, go to school, be late to school,

first person with them. That was the vibe. Get the J's, and then from that, it just evolved into the whole thing. So, I know you've been collecting shoes. Actually collecting since 2000, like 99, 2000. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, That's crazy. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, And what I respect about you so much is you can tell it's not

for us. You can tell it's just like, I get this shit, I'm going to put that shit on. It made so many people be like, oh, I can actually wear my shoes here. What the fuck did you get them for? Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, Who was you waiting for? You just sitting with them? Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, Yeah, they're going to put that shit on. It made so many people be like, oh, I can actually wear my shoes here. What the fuck did you get them for? Rob Markman, Yeah, who was you waiting for? You just sitting with them? Rob Markman, Yeah, they're going to fuck up. I have shoes from a long time ago.

They're going to crumble eventually. And that's why when I see you in Phoenix, I'm like, oh, he's really hooping in that shit. That shit changed that. Everybody, you can see the people who bid off of you, and then you can tell people who was genuine about it. And I appreciate you bringing back the genuine shit, didn't it? Because like-

Rob Markman, Like, really love that shit. Rob Markman, Them Q Rich- Rob Markman, That's cheating. Rob Markman, Oh my God. Now I appreciate you bringing back the genuine shit, didn't it? Cause like. Like really love that shit. Like them Q rich. That's cheap. Oh my God. I said, yo, this nigga is crazy. I said, yo, he hooping in the Q. And Q DM me. He literally DM me.

He was like, yo bro, what's up with you bro? Like, he's crazy. That's my dog. I was like, yo, he crazy. I was like, yo, he crazy. He hooping in anything. I was like, yo, tell D miles. I got his white and orange nines.

Woo. Bro, I got some. Cleveland boys. First of all, that's my dog, too. First of all, these niggas don't. D Miles is my guy. First of all, people don't know. I've been where y'all haven't been.

Pause. Like. That forbidden place. I said pause, nigga. Don't do that. Don't do that. I don't even fuck with that pause shit, bro. I've been.

I've been. Bro, don't put emphasis on it, bro. You trying to do that. You don't do that. I don't even fuck with that Paul shit, bro. I've been. I've been. Bro, don't put emphasis on it, bro. You trying to glorify. I've been where you've never been. See, he going to do that. See, he going to do that. See, we talked about it. You going to give him that energy.

That's the energy. Okay. You going to give him that energy. Okay. My nigga's right here. Andre Owens is here. He going to give him that energy. Okay.

He going to pick it up. He going to stand back energy. Okay. He going to pick it up. He going to stand up and laugh. I'm there. I'm there. The nigga behind the camera acting up right now. Fuck, time, time. This nigga out. Go shoot your story, though.

Fuck out of here. I don't even want to shoot the fucking story no more. They pissed me off. They pissed me off. Listen. This nigga got. Shout out to Houston. Listen.

Being on his team. Teammates. And seeing how he operate with the shoe shit is fucking ridiculous. this nigga shout out to Houston being on his team teammates and seeing like how he operate with the shoe shit is fucking ridiculous from a shoe nigga from a shoe

this nigga got yeah he gonna have 500 pair of shoes at the facility that's a given shout out to the ball boys I done went to

where the good shit at nigga got nigga got the shit he got a place at an undisclosed location and that motherfucker is fire like all you shoe addicts

soul collector all that let it go I'm telling y'all tap in I got a good story for y'all he got everything you can think of.

You talk about LeBron 4s, Kobe 5s, Kobe 4s, 3s, 2s, Kanye West. What's them? Grammy samples, baby. Grammy samples. Yeah. What's them? A million dollars? How much them go for?

I don't even know. Like, they ain't never sold. I don't know. It never will. Bro, he got so much shit, bro. Like, they ain't never sold. I don't even know. It never will. Bro, like, he got so much shit, bro. He made me put on my shoes. I stopped buying shoes. I buy general releases now.

Damn. I wear regular stuff, though. Like, we get to talk about, like, all the crazy stuff. But, like, every day, bro, I wear regular stuff. Nah, bro. No, you don't. I do. Bro, you look at your feet right now.

All right, right now. No, no, no. No, it's different. Nothing regular. I'm on the road. We on the road. I'm on the road trip. Bro, I'll be on your team, bro. That's what I'm saying. This is Indiana, too, by the way. Yeah, no, no. No, it's different. Nothing regular. I'm on the road. We on the road. I'm on the road trip. Bro, I'll be on your team, bro.

That's what I'm saying. This is Indiana, too, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Indiana. All right, yeah, but I'm on the road trip. This podcast wasn't planned, so this is just what he do. What? We had nothing to do with this war, dog.

I knew I was coming here. What are you talking about? This is just what he do, bro. But what you? I'll be on his team, bro. So let him get his shit on. What's regular? What you wear that's regular?

I wear regular, like, Air Max 1s and all white Air Forces. I wear regular stuff every day. All white Air Force is going to have the Rockefeller logo on them. That's a fact. Or they might be John Elliott. That's a fact. Yo, stop wearing regular all white ones. That's a $110 pair.

Yes, bro. I'm wearing the same thing, bro. Jeff, don't look at this. I play on this pair. Yes, bro. I'm wearing the same thing, bro. Jeff said you can't. Jeff, don't look at him. I play this nigga's team, bro. So, yo, shit, he got the Supreme logo on his. Every time. Oh, okay.

It's some Indian to that force. I wear Rockefeller ones. Yeah. His ones is not regular. Okay. That's what you call embossed leather. I got a question for you. You know what I'm saying?

We all grew up at a time where, you know what I'm saying, outside of wearing mics, like, we was about an a question for you. You know what I'm saying? We all grew up at a time where, you know what I'm saying, outside of wearing mics, like, we was about an age group of where, you know what I'm saying, you rocked the Iversons, because Iverson was that nigga. T-Mac was that nigga. What will it take for, like, dogs getting signatures today, like, you got the Jaws popping out soon. What will it take for them shoes on initial release to get back to how it was?

You know what I'm saying? Like, the Barclays, the Pennies. We was geeked to wear those. It's not the same no more. And obviously, you ain't trying to get fly and like no PGs and no Kyries. Right. You think Nike will ever get back to the point to where they make that shoe like lit to wear off court as it is in court?

Or is it just going to be performance based going forward? Do you think it's just Nike? Do you think Nike's the reason that it's not like that? I won't say I will put that on Nike because it's not them, but I'll say overall, like, you know, those Nike staples was the ones that we got to, like... Right, right, right. But I'm saying, like, what all goes towards

making those iconic shoes what they were to us, right? Like, when you really, like, essentially break it all down... They're commercial, bro. See, this is... Marketing and performance. This is what I'm saying. Like, people People forget and everybody talk about it a lot now, especially

with not so many releases dropping of new stuff. What made it? What made it like that? Let's just take Penny for instance. Talk about it. Little Penny. Tower Banks. Keep going. We can keep going. I bought the

Boyin's commercial. Bro, Penny's whole existence with all that stuff and then to see Penny on NBC go up top on somebody and go crazy. Yeah, but I... It was like the whole experience of Penny was different.

Y'all shoot experts. I'll give that to y'all. But, you know, shout out to y'all. But you a nasty nigga if you wear a pair of Kyrie's and some jeans

like Jeffrey got on to the club you out of pocket nobody that's the whole point of the game shout out to Dom Kennedy don't wear the

glasses to the club I don't give a fuck what commercial I don't give a fuck who put them bitches on I don't give a fuck if you put on some Kyrie's with them flare jeans. You are nasty.

Shout out to C-Hole. You ain't getting a lot of Kyrie's on. I ain't trying to fuck up y'all segment. All right? Don't cry in tears, bro. I'm just saying. Yo, listen. I'm just saying.

First of all. I'm just saying. That's not a good look, P. All right, but that's not true. And that's not a tunnel fit. You can't wear it. What about some KD4s? Nah, not with them jeans. With them flare jeans? With them 70s?

KD4s. One of the best shoes ever. Talk about it. Come on, stop it. You wear KD4s with anything. Stop doing that. You're the dragon KD4. P, you get a pass because who you are. You probably have a couple weak-ass outfits, but nigga said, that's PJ. He going to get us right tomorrow. Pete going to fuck with us tomorrow.

He going to get back. Pete going to come back and fuck with us tomorrow. Bro, you can't say that, bro. But listen, yes, I can. No. You ain't never. You got on some flare jeans, too. Yeah.

You ain't never wore some Kyrie's. I love Kyrie's. I don't wear Kyrie's off the court. I don't get a lot. But I think that's what bro was trying to say. When will they get back to a fashion? I feel like niggas, ghetto niggas wore foam posits with some black jeans. All right.

So the club. Hey, the difference is though. Now with the performance, like technology, like those shoes, these new shoes, the technology's different. Okay. But DJ said, fuck is hurt now. Like, but yeah, DJ said, take the Dick sporting goods out the shoe and bring it more back to foot locker champs.

Shout out to like a LeBron three. We was out of pocket, but niggas was wearing them with fits, though. But that was the vibe. That was the vibe. It was a vibe, but it was really kind of weak. We was pushing it. Was it? It was on edge.

I'm not saying that's weak. Nah, hold on. I ain't going that far. LeBron 4 is what they turn it. Listen, we- LeBron 4 is what it's weak. I ain't trying to be a camera man. My man, he don't like that.

Threes. Threes are my favorite LeBron ever. That's personal choice. I didn't wear the two. I don't know how you feel. I didn't wear the ones with it. But I'm talking about. Oh, the Zoom generations with some rock and wear jeans?

With some rock and wear jeans or a Nietzsche sweatsuit. Y'all tripping. That could have been respectable. That's some big, man. Y'all was a little dusty. I'm saying for today, if a nigga had on some threes with some jeans, you kind of looking like...

You're not getting the club. They're going to turn you away. Yeah, in fact. Nobody wear LeBron threes. I was trying to go back to what DJ was trying to say. When would it get back to where it's cool? It's performance shoes now. Yeah.

These shoes are like, guys, you got to hoop in them. Like, you got to actually play in them. Like, Zion, bust out them joints. Like, you got to, like, it's like a real thing. Like, you got to, the performance got to be there. Okay. That's why Jordan can just keep. Zion ain't busting out the shoes he got on now.

Ain't no way. No, no. Them motherfuckers house arrest. They got three straps. Yeah, them motherfuckers. Yeah, Jason Voorhees with them. You ain't getting out them shoes. Okay.

I'm ready. But I honestly, like, want to see, like, the energy back in it. Right? And that's, I'm actually helping Book with his new shoe, because Book's new shoe's coming. Okay. Oh, that's hard. Right now, and it's, it's got a chance. It's got a chance to really, like, change the game.

What you think about Joshu? I like Joshu a lot. I do, too. I like Joshu a lot. It's clean. It's got a chance to really change the game. What do you think about Joshua? I like Joshua a lot. I do, too. I like Joshua a lot. It's clean. It's him. And I feel like it's him. It fits him.

Do you got him? He just sent me a bunch of pairs. Shout out. That's my dog. I mess with Josh. But with the shoes on, they got to fit you, right? I ain't with like... Some people get shoes, things that you... It's like, yo, they don't even look like your shoes.

Rob Markman, 3'9": Don't make sense. Rob Markman, 3'9": Don't make sense. It's got to make sense. And I think that's back in the day, everybody's shoes made sense. They fit them. It look like your shoe. Rob Markman, 3'9": Like Charles Barkley's shoes look like Charles Barkley's shoes. He's supposed to be in the CP94.

Rob Markman, 3'9": Look like Charles Barkley's shoes. He did. You'd be like a big combat boot. Rob Markman, 3'9": Like a big strong... Yeah. Yeah, that's Charles. Rob Markman, 3'9": You know what I'm saying? His shoes look like him. Doc Martens with an airsole. Rob Markman, 3' CP94. You look like Charles Barkley's shoes. Like a big combat boot. Yeah, that's Charles. You know what I'm saying? His shoes look like him. Doc Martens with an airsoft.

His shoes look like him. But you still throwing all black. You're not throwing phones on right now. Put your phones on. I ain't seen phones. They about to bring them back. That's because you in a new galaxy. You ain't from that.

Don't disconnect yourself too much. Listen, if you in that, you might be a nigga with phones. Hold on, PJ. I know you can put on that. Don't disconnect yourself too much. Listen, if you in that, nigga, you might be a nigga with foams on the neck. Hold on, PJ. I know you can put on them cute-ass outfits and shit. And PJ, he might ask you for five on his tank if you got on foam posa, so don't even talk about it. Hold on, nigga.

I know you Fashion Week, ripped the runway, do me three spins. Hold on. A nigga got them foams on with an all- black fit in our city, he's safe. Yeah, because he's a dangerous nigga. No, no, no. It ain't about him being dangerous. Shoot the club up. Well, we not.

He chilling. He might come to the gym. You know what I mean? Dre and them had a basketball event or something. Nigga come in that all black fit with the phones on. He got some money in his pocket, though. He chilling. For sure.

He chilling. All black with some phones on him. It don't matter what color the phones is. I mean, I guess... The tongue always black on the phone. I know, man. Different cities is different, I guess. So your fit go with the phone.

Different cities is different. Your tongue always black on the phone. To me, it depends on what phones it is, but okay. Your tongue always black on the phone. I respect that. Hey, PJ, I'm going to tell you right now, it ain't the Mike Dibbies, all right? I'm going to tell you. I respect that.

Niggas just wear a suede phone, posits a nap. Get away from the naps. With a nap, I'm about to be you right now, it ain't the Mike Bibby's, all right? I'm going to tell you. I respect that. Niggas is wearing suede, foam pods, and a nap. Get away from the naps. With a nap about to be happening because Foam's is coming back right now. Oh, no. I can't wait to put mine on. I have at least 15 on the way back. Oh, I got a blue pair of Mike Bibby's waiting. I'll see Mike Bibby.

I need him on the toe, my boy. You seen on this podcast. I need that autograph. They're on the way back right now. LaMelo? You wear LaMelo? I ain't wearing no. Damn. Oh, my God. You contractually, You wear the Mello? I ain't wearing no. Damn.

Oh, my God. You contractually, I would say. Respectfully. Nah, nah. He ain't wearing. Nah, he Nike guy. I got a question for you. You know what I'm saying?

You've had so many crazy PEs with, like, the Hyper Dunks and the Kobe's, but, like, what's your favorite Kobe model? Kobe 4. Kobe 4 easy? It's not even like a... You rolling? I think Kobe 4 is the best basketball shoe ever made. Ooh, you know what?

I'm going to respect it, but I think a shoe that's close, even though it wasn't the same price point, I think that PG1 needs more respect. I think that PG1 is one of the hardest basketball shoes. Let PJ turn his head. He nothing on it? Nah, I'm nothing. Y'all nothing on the PG1?

Don't look at me. With the toe strap? Look to who said it. I fuck with the PG1. Look to the Kobe 4? No way. We just, we're talking, I'm not, I'm not disrespecting that shoe. I don't think it's a bad shoe.

But ain't that ever what? We're saying this is like another level of shoe. I respect it. That shoe is like Kobe 4 is like. Nigga, you remember when you showed me the undefeated? Hey, you remember we in, yo, do you remember we in Phoenix and the undefeated? You showed me. We on the bus.

That pack? Remember that? Hey. We on the bus. I'm on the bus tripping. Hey. Jeff start going nuts. I'm going crazy. He got the undefeated We on the bus. Rob Markman, The Pack. Remember that? Rob Markman, I'm on the bus tripping. Rob Markman, Jeff started going nuts. Rob Markman, I'm going crazy.

He got the undefeated, not the pack. Rob Markman, I know. Rob Markman, The green. Rob Markman, The friends and family. Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, The F and F. Rob Markman, I'm going retarded. Like, yo, you about to wear those?

Rob Markman, He like, yo, you wildin'. Rob Markman, Yeah, he can't do that. Rob Markman, You don't know that M.O. Rob Markman, He like, yo, you wildin'. Rob Markman, That's my dog, bro, because he don't care. Rob Markman, You don't care. Rob Markman, Shit like that, I would never wear. Rob Markman, I'm like, yo, you wildin'. Rob Markman, I'm like, yo, you wildin'. Rob Markman, I'm like, yo, you wildin'. Rob Markman, I'm like, yo, you wildin'. Rob Markman, I'm like, yo, you wildin'. Yeah, he can't do that. You don't know that M.O. He like, yo, you wildin'.

That's my dog, bro, because he don't care. Like, shit like that, I would never want. I feel like that Kobe 4 is up there. I'm a Kobe 6 nigga, but I respect the fuck out that Kobe 4. Kobe 6 is good, but they don't got, like, the Kobe 4 to me. I like my shoes to be tight. Lock down. Kobe 6 too loose.

Like, yeah, it's too loose, and it loose. It loosens up more when you play. The more you wear the Kobe 6, it loosens up and it gets to a point where you can't even wear them no more because they're blown out. They're gone. Them scales, they expand. The 4s, I swear, you can wear them forever. I took them 6s.

I'll chill out. Did you know about that? No, I didn't. Them motherfuckers up there. His locker right. That's it. That motherfucker's up there. His locker right across the door, bruh. Yeah, that motherfucker's up there. I said, he had so many, man, he had so many PEs, bro, that was like, he like just stormed. Like, he ain't gonna even notice.

Let me take this. I didn't even get him to sign them. I'm like, yeah, shit. They gonna see on the internet. They know who they are. Fuck it. I'll pull them. The bright orange ones? Yeah, the orange ones. You know what I'm saying? You know who they are. Fuck it. I'll pull them.

The bright orange ones? Yeah, the orange ones. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, and Lil Uzi Vert. Yeah, the orange ones. That's dope. That's hard. I had to, bro. You wouldn't think about them.

I love that. You wouldn't think about them. I love it, bro. I say, yeah. For real. I love it. For sure. Rob Markman, 2 Chainz, and Lil Uzi Vert.

Last but not least, before we get out of here, we got to ask a couple of rapid questions, you know what I'm saying? See how you feel about a couple of things. You've been around the league for a while. I'ma go with your top five cities to go out in, in the United States of America. Ain't no particular order, no pressure. Indy. You don't want no angry niggas in phone posits.

He sure love the Indy. I don't know no PJ good money out here. I see somebody in phone posits, I know what's up Indy. I don't know. No PJ good money out here. I see somebody in phone posits. I know what's up. Yeah, he going to ask you for gas money. Walk away. Miami, New York, LA, Scottsdale, Houston. Scottsdale.

What about Toronto, though? I love Toronto. There's still Canada. What about Atlanta, though? I love Atlanta, but it's Houston. Houston is number one. I just said it last, because I just wanted to but it's Houston. Houston is number one. I just said it last, guys. I just wanted to say it last.

Hold on, you think Houston? Houston's the number one place in America right now. Yes. Over Atlanta. Shout out to being a Houston family. It's the number one place in America. No, no, no, I'm saying like, not now, not right now, I'm saying in like over the years. Over the years?

No. I'm saying we asking what right now. I just told him what the cities are right now in no particular order. That's why I said Houston last. But Houston is actually like one, two real. Right now? H-Town. In America.

Yes. That is not. We need a live show in Houston. That is. Yeah. I told these niggas. I had a good time in Houston. He took me out in Houston. I had a great time. Shout out to the Porsche. That is. Yeah. I told these niggas. I had a good time in Houston. He took me out in Houston. I had a great time. Shout out to the Porsche. No, of course.

Listen, Toronto's a great time. I'm just saying, I have problems when I cross the border, so I, like, I, yeah, yeah, I just don't,

it's just a little different experience for me now. And I played there, and I love it. It's wonderful, but, I mean, I'd rather be in L.A., New York, Miami. Can I ask you, can I ask you something? I'm not rather be in L.A., New York, Miami. Can I ask you something?

I'm not putting that over L.A., New York, Miami. Can I ask you something before we get to, like, these last questions? Mm-hmm. What was the, like, winning the championship, how would you define, like, what was that for you? Like, being an NBA champion, like, you worked so hard. You went overseas, played countless amount of years in the league. To get to Milwaukee, me

being one of your teammates and being a part of that, sharing that moment with you. What was that like for you winning a championship? You know, I think, too, I was coming from Houston where we just, like, fought for a chip, not get it. Everybody left me. Damn. So then they started playing with me, like, acting like I was fake hurt, blah, blah, blah. Dismissed me from the team.

Trying to get traded. They planned to get to Milwaukee. And it's like, all right. All the bullshit gone. Now, fighting all the obstacles I had to fight in Milwaukee during the time of showing them who I am and what I do. And fighting that battle to actually finishing it and doing what you said you was going to do. There was nothing that's like the top of the top, like the pinnacle.

You know, standing on top of that mountain was like looking down like, fuck everybody. That's that like, your whole life, looking, like looking back to like all the Toronto, that shit, like, you know what I'm saying? I literally had to go through like the phases of all that shit to get to that point. Like that shit was everything. That shit was fire. Rob Markman. And then, but the best part about it is, as soon as it's over and the season start,

it's like, all right, you did it. Now what? Whatever you done for me lately. Rob Markman all right, you did it. Now what? Whatever you done for me lately. Yeah, do it again. I tell that, bro. That's the best part about it. It's like, especially if you don't retire, if you ain't done, it's like. I'll retire.

Yeah, you retire. He ran off the plug. You did it the right way. You retired on top. But when you go to another team or wherever, like, whatever you going to do, it's like, boom. Whatever you done for me lately. Yeah, do it again. Do it again. you done lately. Yeah, do it again.

Do it again. If you like that, then do it again. It's like that pressure. That's a great segment. Since you went from winning the championship to going with my dog, Jimmy in Miami. What was that? That created me to a whole other monster.

Yeah. Cause all right, Milwaukee didn't, they didn't do what I thought they should have did. It was like, they just wanted to match. They like, well, go get an offer and we'll match whoever offer you. And I was like, I do you want better? I'm gonna go to whoever offers me.

You can keep your match. And then I'm gonna see you. I like that. I'm gonna see you around the block. Like, and so that whole motivation that year was like, get to the class to play Milwaukee. Like I'm going to see you. I like that. I'm going to see you around the block. And so that whole motivation that year was like, get to the playoffs and play Milwaukee. Like, I just wanted to. It wasn't even about winning the chip for me.

Like, I was on some shit. Like, I just wanted to chip with y'all. Y'all going to do me like that? Like, yeah, all right. We talked about it. Yeah, bro, we had. We had a tremendous amount of talk about it. Man.

We talked about that so much. We did. Yeah, I feel like they should have brought you back. Ball drop. I think it was better for you to go to Miami. Oh, it was 100% better. Because you showed a different side of your game. Yeah.

I actually got to hoop. You got to hoop. It was the first time I got to really hoop in a while. Yeah, you got to hoop. That was tough. Okay, so having that experience and being able to hoop, like, how you get, I mean, I know why you went to Philly. But how could you leave Miami

and go back to Philly? I ain't even talked about this. This is like, you can... When I left Toronto to go to Houston, CP getting hurt, like, that was our year. It was over. CP don't get hurt, we won the trip that year.

I don't care what nobody say. Talk about it. So see if you get hurt, we still had a chances. Didn't do it. Money. He can say what he wants. Yeah. All right. Three, two with home court advantage.

All right. I'll put you out. Good luck. Yeah. Yeah. You can say what you want. No, that was him being a jerk. Okay. All right. You say put you out on the road. Yeah, yeah. You can say what you want. No, hey, that was him being a jerk. Okay. All right. You say what you want.

You say what you want. All right. To get the call, me to get all that stuff to happen, and then for my man to call me like, yo, come on. I need you. Come on.

Yeah. I want to see my dog win. So I got a chance to get the money I wanted. I wanted the full three years, full mid-level. First and foremost. To get that, and then to be able to help my guy get one. I was like, yeah, let's do it. I got it. Before we get out of here, I fuck with all the basketball stories.

I love it. But we can't let you leave this motherfucker without giving us a BMF story. Smooth. And smooth was in it, too. Smooth was in it. But mine's just different, though, because it wasn't in Atlanta. It was in Houston. Oh.

It was in Visions in Houston. The floor is yours, bro. It was in Houston. Oh. It was in Visions in Houston. This is the floor is yours, bro. And that was my first time going to, it was actually my first time going to Houston. Oh. And we go down there. I'll never forget. I see Mutombo.

In the club? Yeah, Mutombo. He was disrespecting Mutombo. Remember that, Jeff? I was. I don't know about that. DJ, what? Mutombo wanted to win. He wanted to me. Remember that, Jeff? I was. I don't know about that. DJ, what? The tumble one is me.

What do you mean? Stop playing. He's him. Yeah, I love this story already. He's him. I be on the island all mine. Bro, this is 2000. This is my first.

2004? Yeah. Okay. And this is Houston. It's just open. I don't know how long it's open or whatever. But it was my first time in Houston. And they had like purple lights.

It's like lit up. Like it's like a, bro, like you pull up. It was like, I don't know. I'm in college, bro. I'm like, oh my God. This is nuts, bro. Like crazy. We get up there and they had like tigers and lions and something like, out front, like the people out there

handling them, like handlers and shit, like crazy. Rob Markman, Jr.: Damn. Lil Jon, Jr.: Like yo, what's going on bro? This is wild bro, like for real. You see like we get in a spot, like we finally get in there, we like playing the bar. Obviously we got on the table, in college. We just happy to be in there. And you see all these dudes with the black,

like they're all black on, boom, boom. They got all the ice on, boom. Like, damn. They them. Like, you know they them. But I'm hip to game already. Like, I already know what time it is. Like, I know where they are, right?

Like, bro, they came around the corner. I don't know how many bottles it was, bro, but they had to buy out the whole case. It had to be like 40 or 50 actual bottles. Kristoff, PJ Rose's, like crazy. We just standing there. I'm literally right in front of me. I'm just standing there looking like corny ass, like little kid, like looking like, just staring like,

oh my God, bro. And they start throwing money. They have trash bags, bro. And it's the regular club. I'm like, oh my God, bro. And they started throwing money. They had trash bags, bro. And it's the regular club. I'm like, yo. She's doing it. At this point, it's like I'm not even partying no more. I ain't even looking at what's going on.

You're just staring like, yo, this is wild, bro. And then we leaving and they had all these Lambos out front, bro. I swear I've never seen. They really the reason I got in the cars and stuff, watching them, bro. For real, it was like, yo, I got to leave the club. For real, they made you like that, bro. Seeing them was like, oh, my God, bro.

What is that, my God? What is that? Nothing like that, bro. Trust me. My story in Atlanta, my first night ever going out in Atlanta was at Tongue and Groove. Blue Da Vinci, I guess he just had got out. He had an all-white Lambo. I mean, all-white Bentley, the GT, the coupe.

He pulled up in the Bentley GT. He get out, and we standing in line to go in. It was a party for me, like rookie. Welcome to Atlanta, Jeff T. I was only 20. I wasn't even supposed to be in that motherfucker. But we about to walk in. They like, move, move.

We like, move. What the fuck? You know what I mean? It's my party. They moved me to the side. Where's your outfit? Huh? My outfit was weak as fuck.

We already went over this shit. The Levi's? I had a fucking Levi's. I had a Papa Once PJ. Don't worry. I had on 501s. I'm sorry, bro. I had on a Raging Bulls.

Yeah. Good feets. I had good feets, but my shirt was ass. I had a picnic polo on. Fuck y'all. Listen. Kanye. Kanye.

Yeah, yeah. It was fucking. I thought it was Kanye. Fuck y'all. His shirt was wrinkled. Go ahead, bro. The nigga came through. They pushed. Yeah, yeah. It was fucking, I thought it was Kanye. Fuck y'all. It sure was Wrinkle. Go ahead, bro. The nigga came through. They pushed us to the side.

He walked in with like five to ten niggas. And I was just like, who is that? But we was waiting on Joe Johnson. Yeah. Who the fuck is that nigga? And Joe pulled up and was like, man, some nigga just came through, told us to move. And everybody moved us in. This little nigga named Kevin, man.

Shout out to little Kev. Work in Atlanta. He a promoter. He was like, that's BMF. I ain't know who he was. So I got home. I started Googling him and shit. He was like, you need to learn about them.

They run Atlanta. Shit, that's when I found out about meeting them. They was locked up. Yeah. But that was my introduction. When was your rookie year? Oh, nah. Oh, nah.

Yeah. Wasn't no Max Dill going to get out of the way for BMF. Nah, nah, nah. A little different. Nah, nah, nah. I'm telling you. It really, like you, they was moving out the way, too. I got another question, too.

Moving out. So in the locker room with y'all playing music and shit, did y'all ever say, hey, Jeff, take the aux? Did y'all ever pass the aux to the bro? Who ran the music in the locker room? Hey, don't listen to this. I love my nigga. I just wanted to always,

because me and him argue about music all the time. First of all, them niggas was playing some... Our locker room is special because it's probably the only team I've been on where we didn't play music on the plane and music. We didn't play a lot of music.

BP would pull his little pill out sometimes while we played. Shout out to BP. While we booing. He'll play some music, but we ain't really in the locker room. We ain't playing no music? It's the only team I've been on where it was like that. Not a team. Any other team you ask me, I can tell you exactly who.

But that team, it wasn't like that. Y'all earned the fuck out that championship. It was some real quiet ass, like, serious. I think they was serious as hell. It was some real, like, basketball. Like, it wasn't like all the other action shit. Like, when they play Lil Wayne, I'd be like, turn that shit up. Yeah.

Right before we ran out, sometimes they would play, like, Wayne or something. It was like a couple songs. Lil Baby. I remember one time Meek had, what's the Meek up. Yeah. Right before we ran out, sometimes they would play like Wayne or something. It was like a couple songs. A little baby. I remember one time Meek had, what's the Meek shit? Yeah, yeah. I had him play the Meek. Meek. And Meek was booming, but them niggas was fucking.

Yeah, it just wasn't that energy. It wasn't a lot. Hey, PJ, any given time, does somebody say, hey, turn on that Nas? Yo, these niggas disrespectful, bro. I'm about to start getting mad, bro. Yo, are you here? They trying to say Nas is weak. Nah, that's not what we said.

All right, time out. Now, we didn't say that. We are not doing that to you. PJ, that's not what we're saying. Listen. We have a video of it, so you can see it. Listen. He was disrespecting Lil Wayne, and I had to tell him he was out of pocket.

I didn't disrespect Lil Wayne. Y'all disrespected Nas. Y'all not going to disrespect Nas. Nas is like that. Nas is really... In the past, for me, it's like all production and beats and stuff.

It's never his raps. It's all it is. So you can be a great rapper and not pick the right production. So do you fuck with him or not? I fuck with Nas. Tough, heavy. It's Jay and Nas.

It's Jay and Nas. It's Jay and Nas. And with that being said... It's Jay-Z and it's Nas. And then everybody else is after that. I love Kiss. Kiss is my then everybody else is after that. You going to ignore his question? Huh? I love Kiss. Kiss is my dog. Kiss is my dog, but not, listen, man.

I had an agenda when I asked you that question. You think Kiss better than Nas? I get it. Yeah, you wilding. I get it. You ain't heard of Illmatic? I get it. Oh, man.

Couldn't have. With that being said. And with that being said, hey, shout out to the homie PJ Tucker for sliding through my dog. I appreciate you. Bless him. He's my boy for sure. One of the most fun I had said, hey, shout out to the homie PJ Tucker for sliding through my dog. I appreciate you. Bless him. He's my boy for sure. One of the most fun I had on the podcast. Shout out to everybody.

Hey, this is my dog, man. Shout out to the Blue Cups. Hey, like, share, subscribe. Hey, look at that ball, man. You see that? That's a championship ball right there. And he was supposed to have it, but it don't matter. It's supposed to be a football.

I don't even got one of those. Yeah, I stole that. And he got the ace bottle I gave him on the parade that's the ace bottle my dog got me Westside taking over the city and on that note like share subscribe all that good shit we'll fuck with y'all next week

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