Club Shay Shay - 21 Savage Part 1

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

The one and only 21 Savage sits down with Shannon Sharpe in this episode of Club Shay Shay, and it's a rollercoaster of realness with the Atlanta rapper. 21 goes into what it was like being born in Lo...ndon and growing up in Atlanta, exposing the trials and tribulations that eventually led to him becoming a global music superstar. Then, 21 Savage spares no details as he shares the chilling story of surviving six gunshot wounds and witnessing his friend's murder. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:38 I remember like small things, but not like a lot. Like a little small, like going to my grandma's house. Right. Being with my mama i remember like going to the stoves like across the street and then like on my mama's side of town it's like this shit called a high street okay and it's like a street just full of stoves i remember like walking over there but i remember more like from when we went back and visited. Okay. Because we went back once to go visit when I was a little older.
Starting point is 00:05:10 So I remember that more than I remember like stuff while I was there, like when I was younger. When you, did you have very many friends? Do you remember friends when you were growing up? You say you left at six or seven. So did you have very many friends? I just had family, like cousins, a lot of cousins. Yeah, so I didn't really need no friends.
Starting point is 00:05:32 So your family, your mom moved you here. Of all the places in the U.S., why ATL, you think? I don't know. I ain't never asked that. You never asked, like, Mom, not New York, not Chicago, not L.A., not Detroit, Atlanta. I ain't never asked that. Do you think about how different your life might have been?
Starting point is 00:05:54 Had you gone to one of those places, a Chicago or New York or Detroit or someplace other than the east side of Atlanta? of Atlanta? Nah, I ain't never thought about that. So you just happened to like, okay, so you get here, you get settled in. So obviously you're in a new London is very bad. So is London I'm assuming London is very different than Atlanta. It is better than I know. Really? To me, because it's like it look different.
Starting point is 00:06:25 OK. It's the same shit. OK. You see what I'm saying? It's like I like when I came over here, like I have family, too. OK. You know what I'm saying? So you just around family.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Oh, so your mom. So you had relatives in Atlanta. Like my mom or friends, they move with us. OK. A lot of people that I grew up with. Oh, OK. I us. So a lot of people that I grew up with. Oh, OK. I move. OK.
Starting point is 00:06:46 OK. So it wasn't like you were just like moving to a by yourself like just you and your mom. You had a large contingent with you. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. So did that make the transition a lot easier? I know about no transit.
Starting point is 00:07:00 I'm just a child. I'm right with my mama. Right. I'm saying. Right. I'm just a child. I'm just with my mama. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right.
Starting point is 00:07:04 So how soon did you get acclimated and how soon did you make friends once you got to Atlanta? Like, quick. Like, it was this boy named Skinny. He had got killed, though, like a couple years ago. Wow. But that was like the first person i met that like ended up being like my best friend okay like growing up they used to stay like we stayed in the upstairs apartment he stayed directly under us okay and his mama like we was bad as hell because it was six of us well
Starting point is 00:07:36 back then it was like four us okay so we used to be jumping up and down running around and he was the youngest but his siblings was like way older than him okay and like so their house was quiet they got plastic on their couch all that so like when we used to make noise his mama would grab a broom and hit the hit the roof so we ended up getting cool hunt his mama and my mama ended up getting real cool. Okay. And I used to like stay at his house. He used to stay at my house. I still talk to his mama all the time. Wow. Yeah. Your family, your background, I think your mom was from Dominicana. Your father was from Dominica. Dominica. Yeah. Oh, okay. Not Dominican Republic. Dominica yeah and so how much of the traditions from when you
Starting point is 00:08:26 came to from London did you guys bring with you so where did you matriculate into East Atlanta rather rather rather seamlessly like because you say you got a big for you guys sick like four four boys and no three boys and three girls three girls three boys. And your mom? Yeah. And then my little sister and daddy, he Jamaican. Okay. And what you mean like food-wise?
Starting point is 00:08:55 Yeah, as far as, yeah. My mama cooked. Okay. For sure, yeah. So how soon did you start eating some of, you know, because they got the mocktail, they got the smothered pork chops, smothered chicken. How soon were you starting eating that opposed to what you were accustomed to eating I think like that came with like like making friends Okay, like when I used to go spend the night at my friends house like growing up
Starting point is 00:09:16 I ain't never I want to allow to eat pork. Okay. Okay, no I'm saying I like other stuff Like when I go to my friends house Spend the night as a you like when I was younger. I eat whatever they cook right, but I ain't started really like just Picking what I want to eat right how the little older you so when you went back home You like mom my friends they cook this their mom their mom cook this you think you might be able to cook that did you? Tell your mom that You think you might be able to cook that? Did you tell your mom that?
Starting point is 00:09:42 Nah, hell nah. I ain't telling my mom no shit like that. Hell nah. She wasn't trying to hear that, huh? I know she wasn't trying to hear that. I ain't even going to try it. Right. Did your mom share with you that you guys were leaving London, coming to the U.S., or did you guys just up and leave? Did you know you were leaving?
Starting point is 00:10:02 I don't really remember. I just remember it's like so long ago. Right. So I'd be trying to really think about the story, but I'm sure my mama told me where we was going for sure. Right. Because I was six. Right. But I just don't remember that conversation, but I know it had to happen.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Right. So do you remember remember you just remember getting on a plane didn't have no idea where you was going you just know you were leaving London yeah right because I think at first it wasn't a stay thing oh okay she was just coming to visit right okay I think we was coming to visit but I don't want to fuck the story up neither. Because my mama know the story. Right. Okay. I think it was like, let's see.
Starting point is 00:10:50 We want to move here, but we finna go see. If we don't like it, we're going to go back. Right. Type shit. Okay. And then we just stayed. Right. So clearly she liked it.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Yeah. What about you? Did you like it? Or you was just going along with the flow? You really didn't have a choice in the matter. Because you're five or six years of age. So if you didn't like it, you was stuck anyway. You're going to just adapt.
Starting point is 00:11:07 I liked it, though. Okay. I liked it. Like, it's hot. It ain't cold all the time. Right. I remember, like, playing outside, like, doing the same shit that I used to do,
Starting point is 00:11:18 like, when I used to go, like, to my grandma's house on my daddy's side. Mm-hmm. Like, we were playing in the neighborhood. It was the same shit. Right. So what was it like? I mean, because all of a sudden they got these these new this new family comes in. And I'm pretty sure you probably had an accent. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. OK, so now you're on the east side of Atlanta. Yeah. You got an accent.
Starting point is 00:11:41 How how receptive were the kids to you? They used used to t i got in a fight on the first day of school oh god from the jump yeah they they used to tease me okay like i went to dunnett elementary that was the first elementary school i went to okay so we get to the i get on the bus or whatever they start talking to me so they're making fun of me on the way to school okay so we get on the bus to go home they're making fun of me on the way to school okay so we get on the bus to go home they making fun of me on the way home okay so we get off the bus like one of the one of the older dudes like his little brother was the main one so the older brother was like like um said something like basically like shit fighting so we get off the bus i beat beat him up. So the girls, all the girls, they run and tell my mama at the door.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Your sisters? No, no, no. Kids in the neighborhood. Kids in the neighborhood. So they run. They tell my mama because they started. I really was kicking a lot. They started calling me Taekwondo kid. It's a true story on my mom. OK, so so they they run and tell my mama so i i'm trying to drag my feet to get home now so i walked to the door she grabbed me by my ear put me in the house because the girls were still there right telling her the story when i got there so she i just remember her grabbing me by my ear and then like throwing me in the house like type shit and then that was it i ain't get in on punishment you ain't getting
Starting point is 00:13:05 no punishment no she didn't ask you what started it uh-uh so you so i not from my memory right feel what i'm saying right you probably did right but from what i can remember i just remember getting pulled you know you only remember the parts you remember right i just remember the air like so what do you think was the biggest obviously you're very young so you haven't experienced a whole lot it's not like you're coming here you're 13 or 14 so you haven't had a whole lot of uh you're five or six years of age i think you're seven at this time yeah so is there a big culture shock do you notice anything different about being in london as opposed to being in east atlanta the most shit that i like that i used to, what I remember changing was the size of everything.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Okay. Like, I remember, like, in London, like, our bathrooms would be, like, this big right here. Right. You feel what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Then I remember, like, we was still, we was in the hood in, on the east side, too. Right. But it was just, like, a size difference.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Mm-hmm. Like, at my grandma's in london i could touch both sides of her house like this wow you feel what i'm saying but over here it's like more space right i remember that and i remember getting in a car to go everywhere right in london we used to take the bus and the train like everywhere i remember like we always was in the car when we got here so you had an accent i'm assuming where so where did you fall in the ranking as far as your siblings i'm the oldest you're the oldest yeah okay so i'm assuming you so you man so if you're seven that means you got three brothers and three sisters that means man
Starting point is 00:14:35 you got some babies you got there was three like because it's a it's a three years age gap between me and my little sister okay so if i seven, she was probably like three turning four. Right. And then my little brother was still a baby baby. Right. And then the other three was born in America. Okay. Feel what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:14:55 Right. Right. So did you feel a sense of responsibility because you are the oldest? I mean, even though you're a child, you're like, you're the oldest male. You do you I mean even though you're a child you like you know this male And so do you feel some type of responsibility that you needed to like okay? I need to be the man of the house even though. I'm only seven years old at the time. I think so yeah for sure Yeah, like I was naturally like a protector. It's like shit. Yeah for sure So what did your mom? What did your mom think about that?
Starting point is 00:15:22 So the type of relationship because like you you said, you're the oldest. Your mom is in a new in a new place. And granted, there are a community that came with you. But you the protector, because you like, OK, I got to look after my mom. I got to look after my brother, my sister. Did your mom tell you anything about that or you just instinctively took that on? I think it was just like instinct for the most part i feel like i feel like it's just in my personality to like just like take care of everything i don't
Starting point is 00:15:53 know why i'm like that but i think just naturally like i developed that because like my whole life i've been like that like since i was old enough to like get out and do what I need to do right I always like took care of my mama and my siblings and shit right yeah do you feel that so was your when you were in London do you remember much about your dad being around yeah I remember my daddy used to come get me like every weekend I used to be over there because Because that's where a majority of my cousins was at. On my mama's side, I only got three, four cousins. But on my daddy's side, there's 30 of them.
Starting point is 00:16:38 So that's my oldest cousin, Teran, he in the wheelchair. I remember following behind him a lot. Right. Feel what I'm saying? So that's my daddy's side. Right. So in other words, you really love spending time with your dad's side of the family because that's where all the cousins were. That's where you got an opportunity to run and play and just have a good time.
Starting point is 00:16:58 It was just deeper. Deeper. But my mama's side too because like my cousins on my mama's side was bad as hell too. Oh. You see what I'm saying? But it just wasn't a lot of us right like it was just me caron and jerome right we was the only boys on my mama's side on my daddy's side it was more but well if it's only shit it's just different side well see if it's only three of y'all the trouble is only going three places so it's you you or you when your dad, there's about 30 of y'all,
Starting point is 00:17:25 so you can play with a whole bunch of people. Oh, God. So growing up in the east side on that side of town, rappers Gucci Mane, Future, OJ the Juice Man, Rich Army Quan, Childish Gambino. Did you know any of those guys when you were growing up? You had no idea about these? I seen Gucci before.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Okay. Yeah, I seen Gucci before okay yeah I seen Gucci before for sure resting him at churches chicken before like when I was real young right right no miss winners I see him at miss winners okay yeah zone I mean the east side that's zone six there's a lot going on yeah east side of Atlanta there's drugs there's a lot of killings Did so what did your mom did your mom try and shield you like son? You can't be out this time of night So what what did she tell you about the area that you that you guys like we're gonna call home now. Oh I used to be outside so I don't remember like her just like
Starting point is 00:18:29 The only time it'll be a problem is if I got in trouble in school. Right. But other than that, like I wasn't like one of them when the street light come on kids. Right. My mama used to let me figure it out because in London, it's the same shit. It's damn near worse. Right. Because it's like concrete everywhere.
Starting point is 00:18:42 You see what I'm saying? It's alleys. It's the inner city. So in London, I used to be outside from what I remember what i well that was when we went back though right like from before then i don't remember being outside that much but so like no she just used to let me like let you figure it out figure it out then i used to be with skinny okay well his real name aaron okay i used to be with him and he was older than me. So he was like my big brother.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Right. And like, so as long as I was with him, she would give me a little more freedom to do shit. Like as long as he watching over you, you good. Did you always gravitate towards older guys? Yeah. I always hung with like people older than me for sure. Because you felt you was more mature than guys than young guys your age yeah for sure because i was older i had to be i'm the oldest right so you naturally like a little more mature
Starting point is 00:19:33 than you have to be because if you're not you're gonna get in trouble right so how was the struggle when your mom moving here obviously in a different in a different country obviously times were difficult for you guys. Did you realize how difficult times were for your mom and your family? Yeah, hell yeah. Like I remember when we first moved, you be smoking cigars on here though.
Starting point is 00:19:57 You go ahead and take off. All right. This your joint, let's go ahead. But I remember like when we first moved over here, like before we moved to the neighborhood where I went to elementary school from, we moved to another neighborhood on the east side. And I remember like my mama and her nigga, well, her man at that time, they used to sleep on the bottom bunk and all us used to sleep on the top bunk. We used to share like, we shared the apartment with one of their friends. It was a two-bedroom. We didn't get evicted before.
Starting point is 00:20:30 I remember coming home and our stuff was outside in front of the house. Growing up, I ain't never had my own bedroom until I was probably 15 years old or something. We all shared a room. 15 years old or something like we all shared a room like for probably from like first grade till like sixth grade we should i it was they had a room my mama and her man had a room and me and all my siblings had one room because in a two-bedroom apartment. Then, like, I don't know what happened. They got a little motion, and then we moved in the same apartments, but we used to call it Cross the Bridge.
Starting point is 00:21:11 It's like the other side of the neighborhood. Right. And we had got a three-bedroom. Okay, okay. The boys had their own room, and the girls had their own room. And then I met my other big brother when I moved over there, Tavares. Right. They stayed under us.
Starting point is 00:21:27 They mama used to do the same thing. Oh, man. Oh, God. Get the broom and bang the roof. Oh, God. Right. Yeah. But for sure it was a struggle because, like, my mama couldn't get no job or no driver's license.
Starting point is 00:21:39 She couldn't get food stamps. She couldn't do none of that shit. Right. So you know it's a struggle. Right. So she's basically working any job that she can get. Maybe, you know, maybe cleaning floors, maybe in the kitchen or doing things of that nature, trying to make ends meet to put food on the table and a roof over the head for the kids. The one job I remember having, I don't think she never did like no cleaning floors type shit.
Starting point is 00:22:01 But the one job I remember her having was like a daycare and they used to pay them under the table right i remember hearing them conversations though like being nosy because i ain't even supposed to know that as a child but i remember hearing them talk about it like right and she um she used to work at autumn used to work at a daycare her her man and then the other families that i told you move with us they used to work there too and i they used to pay them under the table like cash and shit that's the only job that i remember though when you came home from school one day and you saw your family belongings outside did the kid how did that make you feel did the kids make fun of you did you realize what was
Starting point is 00:22:42 going on when you saw all of your belongings on the outside? Yeah, because I didn't seen it happen before. And I remember like we used to steal people shit like because I didn't see other people evicted. Right. Seeing that stuff outside and like all the kids, the bad ass kids will be in the neighborhood walking around, see some shit, start going through that shit. OK, so I just remember instantly thinking like Nobody better not touch my shit That's like the first thought I remember standing there but I remember like I didn't really care about it that much cuz They put our shit out, but they we instantly moved to a bigger apartment, right? So it kind of was like it wasn't like we just I shit was just out there and we were trying to figure it out Right feel what I'm saying? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Like, I remember us moving to a bigger apartment, like, instantly. Okay. Type shit. So, what was a typical meal in the household? Oh, we had food. Y'all had good food? Not, like, steak and shit, though. Ramen, hot dogs?
Starting point is 00:23:41 Yeah, yeah, like that. Okay. Like, we had the regular, you know? Right. Ramen, hot dogs. Yeah, yeah, like that. Okay. Like, we had the regular, you know, but not like, I don't remember no time like, where there just wasn't nothing to eat in the house. Right. It's going to be some bread. Right.
Starting point is 00:23:53 We used to make, like, condensed milk sandwiches. Like, them was like ice struggle milk. Right. Like, you take the, you get the bread and the condensed milk, and then you put it in, like, the little toaster type shit, and you put it together. That shit be good as fuck. Yeah. Oh, my god you eat one of them now hell yeah i will oh my god but like you know hot dogs and noodles my mama used to make noodles stir fry right ramen noodles right um curry chicken jerk chicken all that type type of shit. You being the oldest, did you learn how to cook?
Starting point is 00:24:27 Could you cook? For sure. Because I'm assuming a lot of times your mom probably was working, and you had to take care of your brothers and sisters, so it was left up to you to probably cook the ramen or warm the food up so they could eat when you got home from school. Not cook, though. The most my mama would make me do is unfoul the food, the meat.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Take the meat out. I used to get my ass whooped if I forget to take the meat out. Right. And put, cause she don't play about the lemon. Like don't just sit it in the water. Put lemon juice in the water when you sit it in the water. So sometimes I take the meat out and just sit it in the water without no lemon. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:58 I don't get in trouble. Okay. But she ain't never just make me cook. But we used to make our own little food that we wanted. Right. Like so if my little brother was hungry and they wanted like a pack of noodles, I'd make them some noodles or some shit. Right. Yeah. Obviously, we talked a lot about your mom. What's the relationship like with your dad?
Starting point is 00:25:18 Man, my dad in like a weird place because. He got his side of how he look at it I got my side of how I look at it like like I kind of understand like okay if your child moved to another country right it's kind of hard type shit but from a child point of view all I can do is go after emotion that I felt as a child like I don't I child. I can't tell you how I would feel about it as an adult because the hurt comes from when I was a child. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like me whooping you as a child and then expecting you to receive the pain as an adult. I know how I felt when it happened.
Starting point is 00:26:04 I know I felt abandoned. i know how i felt when it happened right i know i felt abandoned that's how i felt i felt like i used to see like other kids in the neighborhood well not in the neighborhood but remember the family that i told you that moved yes i had a friend well he liked my cousin basically rakim he was in the same predicament like he was in another country with his mama was with another man now a stepdaddy and his daddy used to come visit him all the time buy him shit so i used to be kind of jealous of right of what he had going right and so that's that's where a lot of the disappointment came from with my daddy but my daddy was a good daddy to my siblings over there all right like my little
Starting point is 00:26:44 brother who died my little brother got killed right on my daddy's side right they was best friends you know what i'm saying i got twin little sisters and i got another little brother they all love my daddy you see what i'm so i can't just say you know bad daddy right with me i feel like you didn't do what you were supposed to do the relationship that they have with him is not the relationship you have with him facts right because you saw you said the family that moved with you you saw his mom even though she was in a foreign country and she had ended up having another man his dad still came over and would see him and buy him things and did you explain that to your father saying look uh rak, Rakim, dad,
Starting point is 00:27:26 his mom is with someone else and he found it time to come over here and see him and buy him things and spend time with him. Did you convey that to him? Not as a child. Not as a child, okay. But, like, my little brother died in 2020.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Okay. And, like, that was me and my daddy first time talking in, like, 15, 20 years type shit. Savage. I mean, you you didn't you didn't reach out when like at any point at any point in time before that 15 years was up. Did you not reach out and try to have a conversation with your father? Because like when I turned 21, I got shot. because like when I turned 21 I got shot okay and my mama came in the hot end of like while I was in wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast NFL daily with Greg Rosenthal five days a week you'll get all the latest news previews recaps and analysis delivered straight
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Starting point is 00:30:33 Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. The ICU, she brought the phone. Well, I don't know if I was in ICU I don't know where I was at but it was like fresh it was right after I got to the hospital okay and um my best friend had just died like in the incident so like I just remember being like mad I was more mad than sad so she tried to hand me the phone. But I remember telling my daddy, like, because my mama and her, my, like, my four of my siblings got the same daddy. I got my own daddy. And then my youngest sister got her own daddy.
Starting point is 00:31:16 Okay. So my mama was moved out here when she came out here. The father of my four younger siblings he came like a little later okay and we all was together okay so when they had broke up how i took it was like i you ain't my daddy i gotta figure my own life out like i can't be up under your roof no more because my mama left right so i left. So I remember communicating to my daddy like your biological father. Yeah. Like like I'm in the street at this time, but I'm telling him like I figure it out. Like I don't expect you to just be able to just put me up in an apartment and just pay my rent every month.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Like but I'm like, can you contribute like one hundred or two 200 dollars and I'm a figure the rest out. I'm probably like 16, 17 at this time. This like years before I got shot. OK. I remember communicating him like, can you help a little bit? Like my mama ain't got you on child support. You don't really send no money like that. And it ain't no disrespect.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Like because he went in like he'd be taking shit like me telling my story is like trying to down him but this is my truth this is what i remember you know what i'm saying right like from what i remember he wasn't really sending no money to my mama okay and my mama wasn't just pressing him for no money because she had a man right you see what i'm saying so i remember communicating that and i remember like it not coming through. So now I got to go extra harder in the lane that I'm in. Right. As a 16, 17 year old. You feel what I'm saying? Because I got to fend for myself down there. I got to feed myself like I'm staying with friend to friend to friend. You feel what I'm saying? Right. So I remember feeling let down by that on top of all the other times that I was let down when I was young and I wanted shoes or a phone or this or that, a new video game.
Starting point is 00:33:11 You feel what I'm saying? So at a certain point, I remember like I got old enough to where I was like, I don't I don't even care to talk. So that's how that buildup came of me not talking to him about him years. You feel what I'm saying? So that's how that buildup came of me not talking to him about him years. You feel what I'm saying? Right? so in 2020 your brother gets Lose his life, right? Yeah At that point in time Did you think about putting everything else aside and try to reestablish a relationship with the father I did and we got on the phone and
Starting point is 00:33:43 He started doing some things that rubbed me the wrong way like like just asking me for shit like too early and like so at this point in time you had already become what you become yeah in 2020 i'm 21 seconds right you feel what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, but I Kind of like fell back and then like, you know, like when I do interviews these questions come up and I just I'm truthful So right. I think that might have rubbed him the wrong way. You know what I'm saying type shit. Oh Okay so You went back your parents come you come over here and you went back. Your parents come. You come over here and you go back.
Starting point is 00:34:26 So how long were you over here before you went back for a month, two months, three months? We came out here. I was seven, six. I was six turning seven. We went back the summer of sixth grade going into seventh grade. So however old you is. Okay. So probably 11, 12.
Starting point is 00:34:49 Yeah. So probably like what? Five years. We was over there five years. Because I know whatever it was, it was right before the visa expired. We went back and then renewed it. Okay. Type shit.
Starting point is 00:35:01 You go over there. Did you remember anything about London? Because you had now you had spent just as much time in America as you had London. Because remember, you five or six when you left, you stayed five, six, seven years here and you go back. Did did it seem like home or did it seem unfamiliar to you? It seemed like home, like even like like even when i just went back for the first time and what i don't know how many years that is if i the last time i went when i when i was 12 and i just went last year when i was 30 that's what 18 years yes i still remember how to get to my grandma house okay like because like it's a parking lot and you got to walk through
Starting point is 00:35:44 to get to her house like i still remember how to walk to her house i still remember how to get to my grandma house okay like because like it's a parking lot and you gotta walk through to get to her house like i still remember how to walk to her house i still remember how to walk to the store right so it's like i remember i don't remember everything but i remember like right key like major parts type shit once you get once you get over there did you yearn to come back like yeah i like london but the u.s is my home now when i was young yeah i come back like, yeah, I like London, but the U.S. is my home now? When I was young, when we went back to visit, yeah, I think I was ready to go home. Not like just in a rush, but it was like, all right, now I miss my other friends. Right. I miss y'all.
Starting point is 00:36:17 We done kicked it. Now I miss home. Ready to go back. Yeah. So school, how were you in school? What type of student were you in school? I was an excellent student up until the second grade. Okay.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Like, I feel like, like, um, we was just talking about this last night. We was playing a game and they was like, um, spell supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. And it was crazy because I won the spelling bee in fifth grade spelling that same word. Wow. And I won the math competition in fifth grade spelling that same word wow and I won the math competition that same year okay so I used to get all A's but like up until a certain point I feel like when I when I found out like really just realized like I no matter how good I do in school I can't go to college because I'm an immigrant I can't get a job I can't get no
Starting point is 00:37:03 driver's license I feel like once that started to kick in, I kind of just gave up and just stopped caring. I used to go to school, fall asleep in class, like just do all types of shit. Right. So once you realize, like, man, as smart as I am, math, won the math competition, won the spelling bee bee I can only advance so far in school now I might need to try a different path yeah so you go on this so it's cool so how so how were
Starting point is 00:37:37 the other kids towards you because you're smart normally kid they pick on kids that are smart but I was the cool kid oh you're the cool the cool, smart kid. Yeah. Okay. Because I used to do bad stuff, too. I just had good grades. But I still used to skip, fight. Right. Like, do all the little mischievous things kids do in school. But I was just smart.
Starting point is 00:38:00 I'm still smart. Did you get bullied in school? No. I didn't really get bullied. I had issues with people. Right. Not just like, you ain't finna just put my head in the toilet or take my lunch money. No, right.
Starting point is 00:38:11 So that's what it was. I mean, the older kids trying to take advantage of you. Yeah. But nobody never tried to do that to me. I'm just saying, like, I'm not one of them kids. I was never one of them kids. Right. You ain't let nothing slide.
Starting point is 00:38:22 No. My mama ain't finna go for that. Right. Like, I remember, like, getting tried in the neighborhood right my mom and i'm coming outside to fight with us what where your mama at facts mom put it down like that i remember one time like it was this lady and my little sister used to be real cool with this lady daughter right but i was just known as the bad kid in the neighborhood, right? So somebody spraying it spray-painted fuck you all over her car. She had a like a Lexus the law man I love Bubba less is right but it was like it wasn't like the suit
Starting point is 00:38:53 It was just like a regular little X. Okay, so she comes straight to my door. My mama ain't home though Banging on the door where your badass at? I know you did this shit so she come to the door so my auntie was down the street I guess my little sister ran and told my auntie so my auntie come down my auntie come down by this time they didn't call my mama I remember my mama just smashing through the neighborhood in her minivan I remember I had some scissors I hadn't broke the scissors so it was just one side of the scissors right there so my mama pull up swerving she part right in front of the lady building so the lady out there
Starting point is 00:39:30 um the lady's standing like on the car like with her back on the car my mama jump out the truck bitch she done mushed the lady oh my god but the lady didn't want to fight so my mama didn't really just mash the gas on the type shit oh my and me and my little brothers, you know, we deep it's all of us then we got friends, right? Like and I friends damn they're like our family like we like this the hood right now They're like this I saw right so they all out there like ready like they was gonna be her but she she she bit her tongue And oh my mama. I really didn't do the shit right it really wasn't me who spray painted her car right that's how you know reputation is your reputation preceded you because you used to get his stuff and they just automatically as soon as some if some issue went
Starting point is 00:40:15 down savage did it oh god that shit was crazy and I was innocent as a motherfucker. So you go to school. You end up getting kicked out of school because you brought a firearm to school. Yeah. What made you feel you need? What made you feel like you needed to bring that firearm? I think I was just bad. Like we were. It was like some issues where a group of people from like another neighborhood that we didn't really get along with was saying like they was supposed to be trying to fight us.
Starting point is 00:40:47 And they was deep. It wasn't nothing but like five, six of us. Because all my friends are older. So they in high school. Right. You see what I'm saying? Right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:54 Like the people that I hang with, that's like, I feel like is like me. It's only a few. It was like three of us. And then like, I was just being bad, really. I didn't really need to bring no gun. Right. Where'd you get the strap from? Like, this dude in my neighborhood had did something, and he hid it somewhere.
Starting point is 00:41:13 And I knew where he hid it at. So you did. So I sleep-stole it. Right. Yeah. And so, someone tell, how did they find out that you had the piece on you in school? Because when I got to school it was a iss day so i started thinking like i don't i don't want to just be had this motherfucker in school suspension yeah i ain't want to just have it
Starting point is 00:41:36 on me all day right so i'm like let me hide it and it was this little bitch ass look like he ain't even really i don really only really fuck with him He just happened to beat up while I'm hiding the shoe. Oh, man. Ain't even thinking about this shit at the time I didn't put this shit up under some leaves and some bushes and shit So I guess they see us on the camera, but on the camera, they can't really tell who doing what they see me and him right there doing something I Don't know how it happened though but they found it they end up finding it so they come get me out of iss with the it was the school officer his name was
Starting point is 00:42:11 valentino of valencia or some shit but he was a police officer but school police okay they come get me out of iss they walk me into the um assistant principal, but they know me. Like, all the, because you know, like, and kids, this ain't for me. I'm not bragging about this, but when you bad as hell in school, you have an assigned counselor type shit, and normally your counselor is one of the assistant principals type shit. So I didn't have been counseled by all of them type shit. So they come get me out of ISS. They bring me in the office.
Starting point is 00:42:50 The nigga who was there while I was hiding and shit, he right there in the office. I'm like, oh, shit. He done dived you out. I know what this about. So they bring me in the office. They're like, yo, what was in the box? I'm like, I don't know. What y'all talking about?
Starting point is 00:43:02 I don't know nothing. I don't know. I wasn't doing shit. I just sit there then I just every time I used to get in trouble I just get an attitude and get mad and so I don't gotta answer the shit I just be like man bro just stop talking so I stopped talking so they they like all right come on they bring me back to ISS so I'm like oh I'm straight so I'm seeing that iss they start calling like you know they'll be like buses walkers riders so everybody start going so i get up off the rip like i'm i ride the bus right but they let i think either walkers or riders out first right i get up as soon as the first one
Starting point is 00:43:42 get up so i'm walking out iss i'm walking out you know iss in the trailers so i'm walking down the hill i see the school police he walking towards me come get me cuff me i'm like ah shit but all i was worried about was my mama it's like when you young and you get in trouble you don't give a damn about nothing else but what your mama i'm gonna say oh god they cuffed me up took me to um they tried to do some fake scared straight shit they took me to um the big jail the cag county right um but like they used to like i don't know how they do it now but back in the day they used to book you in the big jail not like put you in the big jail but they're like the juvenile facility was right there but
Starting point is 00:44:23 they'll take your pictures and shit at the big jail right so when they bring us in i guess they told one of the inmates like start banging on the the window or some shit to scare us i'm like bro what the fuck that didn't work no now big ass though what you to bust through the dough and do something to me? So now they ban you. You cannot go to school in DeKalb County, correct? No, that ain't that. I got on probation for that. You got on probation for that one. OK. Right. Next year. No, this. Yeah, this this eighth grade. I'm doing good. I'm still on probation playing football or whatever so i'm at the back of the bus with all the cool kids okay we on the way to school these it was this
Starting point is 00:45:15 song when we was young called tea bag that man these in the back they start being on the window t-bag though t-bag though banging on the window so people start throwing shit because we had a substitute bus driver oh man they start throwing paper at the bus driver i'm just back there i ain't really doing shit because i'm on probation so i'm chilling but i'm laughing and shit right i think i was singing the song a little bit right man they come get us they treat us like we got down there's some some serious shit they come get everybody everybody who was in the back of the bus they put us in the library they had a like it was some girls who was like telling about what happened they got down i think some of the boys
Starting point is 00:45:58 were like grabbing the girls you type shit right bringing the girls back down shit girls was sitting on people lapsing just bad shit right so they had some girls who started telling right like they got in trouble like if you don't tell who was doing it we're gonna tell your parents that you've been being fast back there right so goddamn i just remember they had we had like a um they used to call that shit like a hearing a hearing yeah in the library they bringing all us to the window. They got girls lined up. We got to put our face at the window like the hell they like Yup, they said him They put my face. I ain't even did shit. They like yup him
Starting point is 00:46:38 So when that happened by me being on probation already, that's when they kicked me out of school, right? for that incident so they lied on you yeah yeah they lied on me man you sure i mean you sure you had no you had no involvement i should have never been back there once they started doing all that you should have got up and went to the front right so they didn't really lie i was back there right i just wasn't doing all the shit that they was doing right i was in the mix type shit. Did you have to go to juvenile detention for that? Mm-mm. That was just like some school shit. Because they like, nigga, you on probation.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Right. You still don't know how to act. So they inform your mom. That's when they kick you out of the cab category. Yeah, yeah. So they tell your mom. Yeah. What'd your mom say?
Starting point is 00:47:29 I think that's the first time I really just got grounded. Like, well, you can't even leave the house. But I still was leaving the house. My mama know that shit, though. She know that shit. Because, yeah, I got grounded because matter of fact, on God. So, boom, my mama, she ain't with me me by then I'm too grown right ain't no woman so she I get home and shit she like you ain't leaving you can't go nowhere sit inside the house watch your little brothers and sisters type shit it's because at this time my little brother Ruru he was probably like two or some shit so I used to have to babysit but my little sister old enough to watch him too right so it was this little boy in the neighborhood i ain't gonna say i don't even remember his name anyway but he was like younger than me so i'm outside we at the park the park like right behind
Starting point is 00:48:18 our building so we i'm at the parking shit he walk up like bro i got some keys i found some keys to this lady car that live in the next building. So I grab the keys. I take the keys. I'm like, what car is this? He show me the car. I'm like, all right, all right. So I don't supposed to be outside.
Starting point is 00:48:35 No. So goddamn, I go get the car. I crank it up. I'm like, oh, shit. Have you ever driven a car before? Yeah, my mama. My mama shit. The minivan'm like, oh, shit. Have you ever driven a car before? Yeah. My mama. My mama shit. The minivan.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Yeah. Oh, God. So I'm like, oh, shit. It's the real key. So I jump out. I jump out. I walk out. I walk back to the park.
Starting point is 00:48:57 So you know how when you're young and you're doing something bad, you always need somebody with you to do it too. Like, you ain't going to just do it by yourself. Right. So I forgot who it was. It was somebody. Oh, it was my partner. I forget his name.
Starting point is 00:49:10 Terry. He used to live across the bridge though. He was spoiled though. He was the only child. They lived in the townhouse. Okay. So I used to kind of like be jealous of him, but I used to fuck with him too.
Starting point is 00:49:20 He used to have all the games. Right. Unlimited snacks. Oh God. So I went and got Terry. I got a car. Right. Unlimited snacks. Oh, God. So I went and got Terry. I got a car. I got a hot box. That's what we call like a stolen car.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Right. I got a box. I got a box. So I go get him. We go get in the car. So we drive around the neighborhood spinning, like swerving, like doing burn, not burning out, but just like drifting. Right. So I go park the car. We jump out. we go back to the park again. We chillin
Starting point is 00:49:49 Probably like 30 minutes go past. I'm like shit. Let's go ride. Let's go ride So goddamn now I feel like I didn't master the car. So now I'm trying to do extra shit So I get in the car I reverse it but we the car is parked directly in front of the people Like building a apartment be right I reverse it, but the car is parked directly in front of the people building, their apartment building. Right. So when we're pulling off, we're trying to ease off and then hurry up and smash off. So I put the car in reverse, and I back out the parking spot. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal.
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Starting point is 00:52:39 Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. So, but he working the gear. Right. I'm just holding the way I'm steering with. You're just driving, okay, yeah. So I'm thinking, this nigga put the car in drive. This nigga still got in reverse.
Starting point is 00:52:57 I done smashed on the gas. Boom. Boom. Hit a tree. Man, I'm like, oh, shit. Shit, shit. I hurry up and park the car. Get out the car.
Starting point is 00:53:09 We take our rent in the back because I ain't want to run this way because my building right here. Right. So we run behind their building and I run through the back way of my building and go change my clothes type shit. So I come back out the Cal County Police out there. So I walk up. So they're like, who seen where they went? Who seen where they went? I'm like, I seen them. They had on white. They ran that way. My bitch ass little cousin and told his mama it was me. Oh, man. So the police don't know. But my mama know. Right now goddamn they heat and tow but i think i i
Starting point is 00:53:49 can't remember i gotta call my mama and ask her like did she whoop me about that because i think she that's like she punched me about that like oh something i remember i got in big trouble for that and i just remember that being like a couple days after the school bus incident because that was like fresh like i really wasn't supposed to be outside right you're supposed to be inside yeah you not only are you outside you doing some oh no that's how i got to go outside on god i told my mama i was taking my little brother to the park okay so my little brother was at the park with my little sister right that's how i got outside oh okay oh god So you were supposed to be outside. You just weren't supposed to be in the hood. Oh, God. Yeah. And your brother writing dived you out.
Starting point is 00:54:33 My little cousin. Little cousin there. Yeah. He told his mama that it was me and his mama told my mom type shit. But did the police ever find out it was you? No. Well, you strayed there. Statue of limitations up. Oh, God. Sports. Did you play sports? I played football, but I was too small. But I tried. You tried. But really, I had to for probation.
Starting point is 00:54:58 Okay. Like, they was like, you got to be in as many extracurricular activities as possible to keep you from doing shit. Just being at home doing nothing. Right. So I had to. But then I only played one season because at the end of the season, my mom and them didn't have enough money to pay the dues. Right. So I only played one season. I probably got on the field three times. What position did you play? Wide receiver and cornerback. Okay. Had you stuck with it, you think you'd have been pretty good? Yeah, because I ended up getting taller as I got older.
Starting point is 00:55:32 Right. So probably, yeah, for sure. But I stopped going to school in ninth grade. You might have been an NFL player. Facts. But I don't think the average, how much money do the average NFL player make? Do they make more than a rapper? No.
Starting point is 00:55:52 It all depends on me. I think I went the right route. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, unless you play quarterback. Now, quarterback, they make some bread. They make 40, 50 mil a year. Yeah. But you're doing better than that, too, so you did the right thing.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Yeah, facts. Yeah, you don't got to take no hits. Yeah. No, I'll be bruised up. Yeah. And I'm going to be pushing me to the ground and all that. So you go. So the ninth grade. Well, that's the farthest you went in school, right? Yeah. You dropped out. So I got kicked out eighth grade. You got kicked out of eighth grade for the second semester of eighth grade. Oh, you got kicked out of eighth grade? For the second semester of eighth grade. What'd you do to get kicked out? The bus shit. Oh, so yeah, but I thought you could go, if you went to another county outside of DeKalb, you were straight. I still, that's what we thought.
Starting point is 00:56:34 So we move up the street to Gwinnett County. Mm-hmm. And I had to go to alternative school. Right. In Gwinnett County. Right. And they make you wear like, that shit was just different, bro. Like,
Starting point is 00:56:46 because when I went to alternative school in the Carrick County, you know, it's black kids. It's still like, it's still like regular. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:53 I got out there, it was just none but Mexicans. But it was some black people too. Right. But this one I first learned about gangs and shit. Right, okay. Type shit.
Starting point is 00:57:01 So I went there for a semester. Then I went to South G gurnett high school for like probably like a semester okay then they was trying to kick me out because i was smelling like weed in school falling asleep in class but this is about around the time i'm telling you like i ain't i ain't really feel like shit was gonna get me know why cuz I'm an immigrant, right? So I just stopped caring right so my mom is just with drew Type shit and she started like trying to home-school me and shit And then that shit I don't know it's just eventually I just I don't know what the hell
Starting point is 00:57:38 But it just stopped you just kind of realize that's man school ain't for me. Yeah Oh god, right? Yeah, and so what so once you man, school ain't for me. Yeah, I'm God. Right. Yeah. And so once you realize school ain't for me, what are you going to do? You got to do something. Shit, hustle. Shit, that's all I could do for real. Did you ever get your GED? No, I'm finna get it, though. So when your mom takes you out of school.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Do I got my GED? No, I don't think I do. No. Your mom takes you out of school no i don't think i do no your mom takes you out of school she's gonna try to homeschool you you like if it this ain't for me what do you tell your mom mom school ain't for me hey i'm not going this homeschooling ain't working i'm gonna get on this grind or did you or did you just like i I just got to do what I got to do? Honestly, my mama always just knew. Because I used to be getting in trouble for having cars lined up outside the house and shit. Cars lined up outside the house? Yeah, type shit.
Starting point is 00:58:37 You a general manager at a car dealership or something? That's the only way that's supposed to happen? Like people outside waiting in the car and shit. Okay, yeah. So I feel like she had an idea, but I think I was just too grown even though I was young I was just like grown like I can't explain it was like You you were older than your age. Yeah, like you can't tell me nothing cuz I already be gone for goddamn Two three weeks at a time type shit so it's like if you tell me
Starting point is 00:59:07 something I'm gonna just get the hell on right and go do it somewhere else so when did the affiliation with the gangs when did that come about like I don't know I feel like when you from the hood they just automatically like affiliate you with a gang. Right. Just growing up in the area. Did you feel you needed? I ain't never been initiated into no gang or no shit. Yeah. So that's, you're not a part of a gang.
Starting point is 00:59:35 No. People just assume. Yeah. Because you was doing devious, you know, stuff. Right, right. Stealing the cars and whatever else was going on. They just automatically assume you were a part of a gang. Right. Just from being from a certain side of town and shit. Right. Stealing the cars and whatever else was going on. They just automatically assumed you were part of the gang. Right. Just from being from a certain side of town.
Starting point is 00:59:48 Right. Yeah. So did they say anything? Did your mom say anything to you? Like, bro, what you going to do with your life? I think my mama used to, like, beg my daddy to my daddy to step up type shit. More than to me. Because I feel like she probably felt like, shit, what else can he do for her?
Starting point is 01:00:15 Right. Type shit. And it wasn't like I was just stupid. I kind of knew what I was doing type shit. I kind of knew what I was doing type shit. So I think she more used to like say that shit to my daddy, like come like get him or come be with him. But then again, it's like she probably was saying that. But I wouldn't would I wouldn't have went for that, though.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Yeah, I was about to say, even if he had come if he had come to the States and tried to take you back, where are you going to go? Younger, yeah, I probably would have, like 16, 17. Right. But by the time I was 20. Well, you're a grown-ass man. I mean, he can't get you to go nowhere. Right. I had my son, though.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Right. So that wasn't an option no more. Right. That type shit. Mm-hmm. I had my son the same year I got shot. that was 2013 right 20 so you was 20 yeah take us back to that date do you remember anything about that day about the day you got shot and your friend got killed do you remember anything about that day was it a normal day did you wake up like ah this is this is a tuesday this is a wednesday i'm gonna start my day i'm gonna carry on what was about that day? Was it a normal day? Did you wake up like, ah, this is, this is a Tuesday. This is a Wednesday.
Starting point is 01:01:25 I'm going to start my day. I'm going to carry on. What was it about that day? Did anything feel different? Yeah, it kind of, some, it ain't really feel different,
Starting point is 01:01:35 but when I look, you know how you, in the moment, you don't, it don't feel different. Right. But you look back on it and it's like,
Starting point is 01:01:42 damn, because that day was my birthday. Okay. So, like, you was because that day was my birthday. OK. So like he's turning 21. Correct. Yeah. OK. It was my birthday. His his mama birthday and his nephew birthday. Y'all got the same birthday. So I was trying to like book a hotel room so we could have like a kickback and shit. OK. Like for that weekend. And he called me because i had like a couple cars and shit like but they were my not stolen cars like cars i paid for okay and one of my cars i had speakers in the trunk like you know how people put speakers in the trunk and one of his speakers went out in
Starting point is 01:02:20 one of his cars so he needed one of mine and he was like shit i'm gonna just give you one of his cars. So he needed one of mine, and he was like, shit, I'm going to just give you one of mine. Whenever I go buy a new one, I don't feel like going up there now. And he was like, I want to see Kamari too, my son. Right. So I wasn't at the house. I was with my other partner. He ended up getting killed too, his name, Wanwan. I was with him.
Starting point is 01:02:41 He was like riding with me and shit. He was going to get that he was gonna get the hotel room in his name because I ain't got no ID I ain't got no license so I needed somebody to get the room in their name so I was running with him and shit and Johnny is my friend who was with me that got killed okay he had went to my mama house because me and my mama me and my mama, last baby daddy, like my little sister daddy, we had, I went in, like, we was paying rent on the house. Okay. They was paying more than me, but I was paying, I was probably paying like 500. They was probably paying like 600.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Okay. That's some shit. And so we was all staying together. So he had, because remember I told you, like, my mama and her other baby daddy broke up right and she ain't had nowhere to go type shit right so we finally back together in the house so johnny had went to my mama house and he had went to see my mama went to see my son and he had got to speak out the car and shit okay but i remember like that whole day now that you said like i remember that whole day i kept telling myself like i gotta pull
Starting point is 01:03:52 up on johnny i gotta pull up on johnny type shit because he wanted something that i had and i wanted something that he had right so um after he seen my son and shit, and that was his first time just going to see my son on his own. Like he never did that before. Right. Type shit. So after he went to go see my little boy and shit, I had pulled up at his house. And he was like, ride with me somewhere right quick. I got to handle some shit.
Starting point is 01:04:21 He was like, I don't feel like going in my car, though. Let's just ride in your car. Because I was in one of my little pluck plucks like like a hoopie right type shit like a low-key car so goddamn the shit's so crazy because like when we was in the car on the way to wherever he was trying to go to his grandma called and his grandma was on the exact same street but where we was going was to the left and where his grandma was on the exact same street but where we was going was to the left and where his grandma was at was to the right but on the same street okay and she called like right before we turned on the street like we was at the light waiting to go left type shit so when i used to think back on it i used to be like damn like you know how they be like in life
Starting point is 01:05:03 you you got a choice like which way you can go type shit and i used to be like damn like you know how they be like in life you you got a choice like which way you can go type shit and I used to be like damn if he would have went right he would have still been alive type shit so we made we made we ended up making a left or whatever we ended up pulling up or whatever and like a nigga just jumped in the back seat and just was like get up type shit then a whole bunch of this shit started happening. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Do you think it was a setup? Because, I mean, you say this is a bucket.
Starting point is 01:05:31 This is the car that, you know, low-key, don't nobody really know. Did people know you had this car? Mm-mm. Not people who knew me, because I was always like a super low-key. Right. Like, I had a flashy car, too. car too right but no i didn't nobody know
Starting point is 01:05:47 about this car for real i'd be thinking back on like a lot of shit because even like after that shit i used to be like damn i didn't did like a lot of shit to a lot of people type shit so i used to be like this shit could have came from anywhere type shit so that day used to cross my mind but I don't really know did you feel you let your guard down to allow somebody to get to jump on you like that not really not really because I was on point I think that's how I made it type shit. Like I was already looking back type shit. Did you know the guy? Mm-mm.
Starting point is 01:06:31 I ain't know him. So he says, give it up. Whatever you had on you, like, okay, bro, hey, whatever I got here, take. Mm-mm. You didn't have it. You said, I ain't got nothing, bro. I had something. But you told him you didn't have anything
Starting point is 01:06:45 No, I had something else for him. Oh, yeah, not what he wanted. You're right, right, right? Okay. Okay. Yeah type shit But he had something for me too, right? Yeah, so he got to jump on you Kinda not really though cuz they was really scared for real Kinda. Not really, though, because they was really scared for real. It was one or two? It was two of them. It was two of them, okay. One of them jumped in the back seat.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Okay. One of them was standing up outside the car. Okay. Type shit. So the one who was standing outside the car, he shot me off the rip right here. Okay. Because I'm turned like this, so he like, fuck, nigga. Boom.
Starting point is 01:07:22 Type shit. Okay. Then he take off running. So now it's just me and Buddy boom, type shit. Okay. Then he take off running. So now it's just me and Buddy in the backseat. Okay. But my brother, he, like, I remember screaming to him type shit because me and Buddy started going back and forth. Like, his arm was like over the seat and my arm was like over the seat okay so i remember like but i was shocked so i remember saying like like johnny shoot him shoot him shoot
Starting point is 01:07:53 him type shit and me and buddy was just going back and forth and then he started buddy in the back seat started screaming like ah so you hit him yeah but i was hit up too right so when i remember like the gun jammed type shit so i had caught it back again and when i put my arm over the seat he put his gun on my arm and shot me so my gun fell out my hand and i remember us fighting over my gun then it went off one more time boom and I got shot right here in my hand from holding the gun to the ship then he got up and he tried to run and he collapsed type shit and then I remember um that's when I had an iPhone in this was probably like the iPhone 3 of some shit so ass so god damn i
Starting point is 01:08:47 remember like trying to unlock the phone to call 9-1-1 and like my blood kept drying up the screen right shit so i remember i got out the car but first that's how i knew johnny was dead type shit because like after buddy got out the car and ran I remember I told Johnny like pull off pull off pull off and then the car wasn't moving but his his foot was on the gas but it was in park right so the engine was just like revved up then it was like some movie shit the windshield wipers was like but it wasn't raining right and then you know the door like when you got the dough up and ding ding ding like Alarm to tell you close the door
Starting point is 01:09:28 Type shit, so I jumped out the car when it knocked on somebody though They ain't come to the door. So I went back to the car and got down unlock my phone I Finally like I didn't even unlock it back then it was like slide for emergency call right So I ended up sliding it car 911 like yeah, i'm shot They get the ass and all tight just Dicked out ass questions like what the fuck bro like i'm shot. What's this? What's street man? What the fuck you mean? What's street who I don't know the street. I'm just shot right type shit. So
Starting point is 01:10:07 they like, um, I remember telling them like my brother there my brother there type shit and then I remember lander and I Guess the nigga who was driving them niggas He came looking for the nigga who was in the back seat i guess he couldn't find a nigga so god damn they um he rolled back past and i remember being on the phone because i thought they was finna ride back past the handle the business right so i scoot back type i was on the phone the lady like they run back past type then i remember the police pulled up Type shit.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Then I remember the police pulled up. I don't even think I told her. I think I just put the phone down type shit and just did it like that. Then the police pull up. So I get out the car because I'm a victim. I'm like, man, this nigga talking about put your hands up. Put your hands up. Let me see your hands.
Starting point is 01:11:06 I'm like, bro, I can only put this arm up up because remember i told you he shot me so i put the arm up i'm like i'm shouting this arm i'm shouting this arm he like um sit on the curb and put both of your hands behind your back i'm like man i'm shouting this arm i can't put it behind my back he like put it behind your back so i think i just like mean this shit like that type shit then i sat right there for a minute then the ambulance pulled up and when the ambulance got there um i remember the lady it was a white lady i wanted to see her like so i wonder like how she doing type shit but she she was in the back of the ambulance. So they put me on the stretcher and shit They cut my clothes open put me on the stretcher. So she put me in the back and she was like, um She was like, um
Starting point is 01:11:53 Let's hurry up and get him to the hospital before the sergeant get here and he bleed to death type shit Cuz I guess like when when you were in critical condition or some shit like I guess like when you're in critical condition or some shit, like, well, I don't even think I was in critical condition. I think I was just bleeding a lot. Right. I guess like they objective is for the detective to hurry up and ask you questions just in case. Right.
Starting point is 01:12:20 Type shit. So she was like, hurry up. So they put me in ambulance and we just went to the hospital. How many times did you get hit? Six. And then. No vital organs though? No, no vital organs. So what do you think happened to you? He got friendly fire? My brother? Yeah, the one that was in the car with you. No, I think the dude in the backseat shot him in the head. Oh, okay. Like when it first happened. Right. Because he had his gun on him too. Right. But he never shot. Right. So that's why when you're saying Johnny shoot him, he couldn't because he had already got hit. Yeah. I think he got hit like off the rip.
Starting point is 01:12:56 Real. Type shit. Right. Yeah. So what happened to the guy that was in the back that ended up collapsing? Did he live? Yeah, he lived. Okay. He was paralyzed. Right. I don't know about now, but that's what I heard. You know how you hear shit in the street, but up collapsing did he live yeah he lived okay he was paralyzed right i don't know about now well that's what i heard you know how you hear in the street yeah he lived though from what i remember right what i know yeah the guy did they ever find the guy that shot you that was outside the car yeah they they, I don't know about, I know they found two people, but I didn't know what they looked like. Right. So I couldn't tell, like, the police shit, really. It was dark type. Right.
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