Club Shay Shay - 21 Savage Part 2

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

21 Savage’s harsh realities aren't the only ones covered as he delves into the death of Memphis’ Yo Gotti’s brother. Then, The Saint Laurent Don delves into the financial side of the industry, comparing rap money to NFL earnings and shedding light on the frugality of T.I., who almost gave 21 a million dollars but didn’t, which turned out to be a blessing in the long run. But the buck doesn’t stop there, as 21 responds to Snoop Dogg's streaming insights and shares that there is good money to be made from streaming, which has compelled him to consider selling his catalog as Future did. 21 Savage covers it all; from claiming the title of the best rapper in his XXL Freshman Class, to giving his picks for the Mt. Rushmore of R&B artists and the best rappers from Atlanta, and expressing his willingness to drop a collab album with J. Cole. It's a candid, no-filter conversation that gives fans an unfiltered glimpse into the life and opinions of the Atlanta rap legend. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We had some shit, like some drinking shit, some looking shit. We was going to get drunk. So I was really just going over there to kick it with him. Right. Type shit. So, yeah, I be thinking about that. But the main thing I think about is, like, I heard his grandma on the phone telling him, like I'm ready because he pick up from work every day. Right.

And I just used to think like, damn, I wish he would have just went and got his grandma instead type shit. Because he wouldn't got his grandma. You wouldn't have been in the car. You wouldn't have been there. He wouldn't have been there. And that day would have never happened. Facts. Yeah.

Oh, God. You've seen a lot of tragedy your uncle ended up getting killed you that wasn't my real uncle though right but remember i told you like how we like made like a family over here yeah he got killed when i was in third grade i remember um i was i was i think i was asleep but i was so bad i probably was up But I remember it was a school night and I remember um Just hearing like boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and I remember jumping up And I'm jumping up and looking at my window and then my mama came in the room and just started hugging me Type shit started holding me

But I was so young I Think I knew it was gunshots, but some was telling me it was firecrackers. Right. So I go back to sleep and I remember getting up the next like a couple of hours later, like that was probably like two in the morning. I had to get up probably like 7 for school. Right. And I remember like my mama was ironing my outfit for school and shit and the news was on and they was like um i think it was five of them they got killed that night like four four or five it might have been six it was like the dudes came they killed big boy which was like my uncle they killed um swish shot and like another one of their partners and like two maintenance men and then i remember like um my mama telling me or it was either my mama or my stepdad it was like yeah they killed big boy type but then when i got older you know how you replace back in your head i was like he

robbed the wrong person because i remember like all that week he had went and bought one of them new tahos the z72 trucks what the z71 yeah the two those yeah i know exactly what you're talking about yeah that's the high end yeah he had bought one of them he had um i remember walking down there because like when i was young they used to like give me like little dollars and shit and i used to like rap like do love like like three bars and some shit and they'll give me some dollars so i remember one time like that week i went down there and they was like all outside by the z71 like they was on the truck and sitting on the truck smoking and shit i remember i seen like a big ass bag of weed probably like five pounds of some shit wow just bags of weed on the like hood of the car

and i remember um one of them one of them his name was kevin he used to have a box chevy on 23s with the Jordan logo. Mm-hmm I remember him like man put that shit up the hell wrong child put that shit up But I remember like I ain't never seen them had that much weed. I've seen him smoke weed a million times I ain't never had that much weed. So I feel like that's what happened, but I don't know Yeah, I feel like that's what happened though. Hit somebody stashash house, huh? Yeah, the wrong nigga. And they came back because they chased him. He was in, like, it was some old apartments connected to my apartments. And there was a cut.

He got down. He got shot in the next apartments. So he was running. He saw him coming. In the head once. But he still was alive. And he ran all the way from them apartments, ran, like, through the cut. Because the cut is, like, right next to my building. He came through the cut and ran all the way down to,, ran like through the cut, because the cut is like right next to my bed.

He came through the cut and ran all the way down to like to the end, like where I'm on our street. It was a dead end on our street. And he ran all the way to like where my cousin Rakim stayed. And he ended up dying, like collapsing on their front step type shit. Right. But your 21st birthday, that wasn't the first time you had gotten shot, was it? Was that the first time you got shot?

No, that was the second time. The first time was like on some like bullshit, though. It was just like a graze for real. It wasn't just like, you know, just, you know what I'm saying? Like I didn't even go to the hospital. Right. Yeah. Was it an accident or was someone intentionally trying to? know I think it was accident okay yeah 21st birthday you

lose your partner you almost lose your life you watched you've gotten grades before your your uncle who's not your biological uncle but he was raised up with you so he could would consider him an uncle. At what point in time, Savage, do you say, enough of this? Mm-hmm. I think, like, yeah, after I got shot. Because you got a kid.

You got to think of that. You got another life to be responsible for. It ain't just you now. For sure. I remember thinking about that too like while i was sitting there i was like i remember i just kept mumbling like i can't go out like this can't go out like this can't go out like this type shit and i was just thinking about my little boy type shit did you ever lose consciousness not from what i remember right Right. You've lost siblings.

Yeah. You mentioned that I think your father had a son that ended up getting stabbed to death, correct? Yeah. In London, in my grandma neighborhood. That's why I just shot my last video. that's why I just shot my last video yeah how does one that have experienced death so much how does one cope with it there's one thing to know someone's gonna die of old age we got grandparents and we have someone over there the terminal illness okay that's one thing but to see someone lose their life so young to see a parent bury a child when no one no parent should have to bury a child it's supposed to be the other way the child buried the parent how does one begin to cope or wrap their minds around death in that capacity? I don't know. I don't know how I do it.

Because I done had times like where I cry sometimes type shit when I'm by myself and shit, but I don't know. I think you just got to be built for this shit. Like, you got to just be built for it. Like, you learn how to

just move forward in life and just accept certain shit. But it's like still hurt though. Right. I don't know like what it I don't know how I cope with it. Honestly. I read what you said after your brother's death. I took my anger out on you. I wish I could take that ish back.

Yeah. What do you mean by that? Like like growing up like i ain't really we ain't really taught like that neither because i used to be like kind of jealous of like the relationship that him and my daddy had i used to feel like my little brother was the son he wanted and i was i was the son that he didn't want type shit so like when me and my my daddy relationship faded it's like me and my relationship with like that whole side of the family faded type shit but like right before he died we had just started back talking okay so it was like me saying that was like damn i regretted all the

other all the years that we wasn't talking because I felt like you was spoiled by my... You know what I'm saying? Right. You was his favorite type shit. He didn't really fuck with me. Right. He wasn't there for me how he was there for you type shit. Right.

I remember one time my daddy had came to visit. This is the only time he ever came to visit. This the only time he ever came to visit. And he had to use like, my mama told him like, no, my mama, baby, my stepdaddy told my mama like, they ain't got to spend no money on no hotel. Why the hell they can come stay with us type shit. Yeah. Y'all barely have enough room for you guys. But shit, West Indians just like that.

Yeah, right. Okay. We're going to cram in this bitch. Oh, God. We're going to cram in this motherfucker. So they came and stayed with us and shit. And he had brought my little brother with him. And I remember one day he got down.

He had then took the van. He had took us to City Trains and shit. And Goddamn, he only bought my little brother shit. He ain't buy me shit, though, type shit. And then I remember I think my mama and my stepdaddy got to arguing about that because he took too long with the car. Right. And my stepdaddy had to go to work type shit. So I remember just being like, I remember like being in the store and like I was like picking out shit and he wasn't grabbing my shit that I was picking out.

But he was grabbing my little brother shit type shit and I remember like Like being jealous like being hurt by that type shit, right? So goddamn I ain't never say shit though like that like when it cuz I was too young so it was kind of like a You know when you young and you feel some type of way right some but you can't say nothing right? It's's just like, you just eat it. Right. So I remember we got home. I remember them arguing and shit. And then I remember my stepdaddy telling my daddy, like, this ain't got nothing to do with you, bro. You good. Like, like, um, don't worry about nothing. You didn't do nothing wrong. She was supposed to tell y'all what time I had to go to work type shit. Right. And goddamn, I remember my daddy.

We go home. We at home now. Well, we walk in the house because I think my stepdaddy told my daddy that while we was like in the parking lot. So we walk in the apartment. We go in the house. I remember my daddy and my mama talking and shit. And then I remember my daddy caught me in the room and he was like um he was like I ain't gonna lie um I'm homesick type shit he was like I think I'ma leave early what type shit

and I remember being like I remember being like hurt by that to type shit And then he left type shit And I remember that's when I first started like being like man fuck this nigga like that's my dad was my first feeling of life And my brother right that's when I first thought I'd been jealous of my brother because I was like Right. That's when I first started being jealous of my brother because I was like, you ain't seen me in years. You didn't brought my brother out here and bought him all type shit. You ain't buy me nothing. Right. Type shit. So I think that's where that like jealousy like came from type shit. I wish I never did that with my brother. But i think i couldn't control no you're a child that's like anything i mean if you got two kids and you buy one constantly the other child will become resentful of the child that you buy everything for and the child that you don't get anything he'll resent both

the child and the parent yeah so it's it's a natural reaction savage i mean that was not something that you could consciously like you know what it's okay you know blah that's not how that's not how child minds function yeah but it explains why you have the resentment towards your father and you ended up growing even though it wasn't your brother's fault but still he was getting gifts and things that you weren't and so you resented him for getting things that you couldn't get. And you resented the father for giving it to him. And the opportunity that, you know, you hear people say all the time, Savage, that, you know, make sure you tell someone that you love them. You don't know when it's going to be the last time or you might not get an opportunity. And here you see you sit back and like, man, you know, the feelings that I had towards him, what I would to tell him. I love you and I appreciate you and bro

Oh god Yeah The type of father that you are I'm assuming correct me if i'm wrong Is that you want to be everything that your father wasn't? To your son that your father wasn't to you facts yeah but i kind of understand like with my daddy like i don't like i have forgave him for all that when i was a child right more so like the reason why we

not talking now is because like that he did like as an adult just kind of rubbed me the wrong way right but like i kind of understand like your child in a whole nother country you ain't rich right but it was just like time doesn't cost anything though right but it was like other little things you see what i'm saying so it kind of like, but now like with my kids, I be feeling like I don't be doing all the way my job because of my job. Right. Type shit. So I be trying to like balance that out. I like trying to like, it's like you, you, you work to receive, to gain all the success and all the good shit but it's like

i feel like the best parents in my opinion is parents that don't got it all i feel like broke parents are better than rich parents in my opinion because when you broke you got way more time type shit right so you there for like a lot of the shit like yeah gifts and shit matter but They don't matter at the same time. Sometimes all the kid needs is time your time facts Something that a gift can't replace facts. We see a yo Gotti lost his brother Yeah, it was coming from was at a funeral and ended up losing his son. His brother ended up losing his life.

Savage, how do we stop that cycle? Because I heard Rick Ross call and say, bro, let's put the guns down. Let's put the masks down. Let's come together. Yeah. Let's build these communities. Let's get this people together. Let's stop this senseless violence. How?

I don't know. I don't think that shit ever will stop. It's just my opinion. Like people been killing forever. That shit just life. But what are they actually killing for nothing but you can't there's nothing that you can kill somebody for that validates right killing you find over territory that doesn't belong to you that block doesn't belong to you that belong to the man yeah but i don't feel like people really fight over blocks no more like i think it'd be like shit that people do to each other right is it because it's like you could look at it from two points of views because when i was younger i

used to look at it from my point of view but now that i'm older it's like i look at it from like an older point of view right but when i was younger it was like if somebody killed your brother like what what can stop you from wanting to kill their brother you're seeking revenge like what can stop you from wanting to do that you feel what i'm saying like then i'd be like damn what give like people the right to say when you can kill because it's people who damn they got a license to kill you can go they can go kill somebody legally what what's the difference like what makes their reason more valid than this young boy who just lost his brother you feel what i'm saying so it's like i don't feel like killing will ever stop.

Probably the amount and the how it's happening and shit can slow down. Right. But I feel like as long as you got life, you got killing. When did you decide that rap was going to be your way out and you was going to put that behind you? How old were you when you said, you know what, I can do this? I mean, I think 50, 50 was a guy that was in the game, ended up getting shot nine times, turned his life around. I don't know if 50 is a role model of yours. I think I read somewhere where you said Three Six

Mafia. Yeah, I liked that music growing up, but i ain't really know much about three six mafia like i knew about project pat like his story i didn't really know about three six mafia like as a whole right 50 cent was a thousand percent like i looked it up to him growing up too for sure like because he told his story more than like a lot of other artists he had a movie and all this type of shit so right i knew his story a little more like i was inspired by his story and shit so when did you decide to say i'm gonna give this rap thing a try like after i got shot yeah that's when i really just started like trying to like rap for it. Right.

I had made songs playing around and shit with friends, but that's when I started like really like putting my money into it and shit like that. Right. Okay, you meet Metro Boomin. Yeah. And so that was, so how did you meet him and how did you guys become such good friends? I met Metro Boomin through Key. It's a Atlantalanta rapper named key and i met key through madman he a rapper from atlanta too right and key used to bring me around sunny digital nobody has real names huh everybody got mad man and keith yeah slim skinny oh god

oh god Oh They use key used to bring me around Sonny and Sonny was the man Okay, and then everybody used to be a sunny house right and then that's how I met Metro. So you met you up he give you so Did he know did he know you rapped at the time I don't think so he know me right I just walked up on like man I'm savage bro I need some beats I'm finna start rapping he fucked around and sent me a couple beats and I had did like a couple songs on him and he fucked with him and then we just grew a relationship and it took off from there yeah did did you think or did you know but really sunny sunny my my songs with sunny blew up before my songs with metro okay type shit okay so it was really me and sunny was locked in like

metro was giving me beats too but i was was doing projects with Sonny and shit. Sonny was showing me how to record, letting me use his house to record and all that type of shit. And then me and Metro grew our relationship while all that was going on type shit. Did you think you could become this? Because I remember when I had caught my little first little song i remember i used to be sitting at sunny house like man when the hell you supposed to start getting show money bro type shit and he used to be like bro don't worry bro it's gonna come bro trust me bro like it's gonna come type shit i ain't think it'll be like this nah hell nah because back then it was like people was blowing up but i don't know if people was blowing up that big right i feel like all the people who

this big right now like we all got there around the same time type shit right like we ain't had nobody be like, what, Future back then, who was just... Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news, previews, recaps, and analysis delivered straight to your podcast feed

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game i think little baby yeah i think atlanta is just like a player city. It's just player. Like we just, I don't know. We just know how to talk. We know how to walk, dress, talk to women, set trends. It's just something in the air. I don't know. I had T.I. on the podcast. T.I. said you asking for a million dollars. And he said no, because he said that i would have to take more

from you yeah he was still trying to sign me though tiara is cheap as hell but i did he he sent me an offer yeah and i my counter offer was i want a million right and he was like shit i'm gonna have to take so much from you in return. Right. That it ain't even worth, it ain't even going to be worth the million in the future type shit. So he actually saved you from your sale. Facts. Yeah.

I look up to T.I. Because T.I. One of them niggas. He rich as a motherfucker, but he tight as hell. That's how he keep that money though. Right. He's smart with his money have a platinum album before you signed your first deal yeah

yeah so now you're you're in a very favorable situation because you got you i mean it's not necessarily you got to do a bad deal because you already got a platinum album it's not like a situation you're looking to get signed so you can release an album you already got the album was it platinum or was it gold gold i had platinum singles yeah but i had a gold album right yeah but you straight yeah for sure so it kept so that kept you out of a bad deal yeah Yeah. Because I was like, it was like all type of street niggas I was supposed to sign to who had like little labels and shit. Right. But some just used to tell me like, man, hell no, I don't take no 30,000. I don't take no 50,000.

Right. Like you worth more than that. Right. You end up doing a 70-30 split, right? Yeah. Yeah. With Epic. Right.

Yeah, that was my first deal. Yeah Yeah, we're epic right? Yeah, that was my first beer It was like 70 30 but like they had like a 10% distribution fearsome. Sure. Yeah So what's your take on streaming? I hear smooth dogs say man look here man I'm streaming you stream a billion and man. You ain't really making no money. What's your what's your what's your thoughts on streaming? I making no money. What's your what's your what's your what's your thoughts on streaming? I think it all depends on how your deal structure because it's some money and screams must money screaming. It's just about like how your deal structure and how much you scream type shit.

Well seem to me to be some money in it because my label be giving me some money. Okay, I'm about to say because the way you talk you talking like you got a structured deal that you be getting. They got to be making money because they giving me money. Right. So, there's some money in that shit. Some real money in it. Let me ask you about your catalog. Future sold his catalog.

I think he sold it $65, $75 million. Is that something you'd be interested in at some point? Yeah, probably lay it on down the line for sure. Yeah. I only got a couple albums the line for sure. Yeah. I only got a couple albums right now, though. Right. But it depends how much my hustle, how I apply my hustle.

Right. Because, shit, I might fuck around and invest in something and become a billionaire and be able to pass my catalog down to my kids. Might not even have to sell my catalog. Right. I'm looking at the XL Freshman class. Lil Eazy Vert, Yachty, Kodak, Denzel, Curr, J-Herbo, David East, Lil Dicky, Anderson.Paak, Desiigner, and you.

Boy, y'all had a lick that year. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, y'all had a lick. Yeah, for sure. It was some stars on that cover. Do you ever sit back and like, man, considering your story of how coming to Atlanta from London or the east side, your upbringing, there's a lot of things that could have happened that this didn't happen. Do you ever sit back and like, damn, man, this shit.

I'm savage, all right. Yeah, yeah, sometimes, yeah. But I'd be like, I still got to keep going, though. You still trying to grind? Yeah. But I do be like appreciative, though. I do sit back and just daydream sometimes. Like, damn, this shit could have went this way or this way type shit.

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I was like a young nigga when I first came out. I was just saying anything type shit. Right. Samples on the album. How difficult was it how difficult was it to clear the samples for some of the music that you used um jan do that my am and i she she be handling she be on on top of all that shit so she didn't really come back to me like nothing was too hard right clear this time but it do get hard sometimes it gets hard because they want to

charge more than what you think it's worth or they just don't want you to sample it some people just don't want you to sample that right like um one of my songs like they cleared it for the album but then when it was time for me to do like commercials or like tv performances they wouldn't clear it so it was like damn i should have just never cleared it for the album in the first place because now this song big and and you can't sing it i can't really do nothing right everything that i want to do with it so why so why would they let you do it for the album but not let you do it commercially i don't know man do you ever look and see like okay american dreams supposed to drop and somebody else like you know what like three other artists might be dropping that week would

you ever move yours up or push yours back or you like hey may the best man win it depends on who dropping i'm gonna keep it all the way real if it's somebody too big i'm gonna get up out their way right but i'm gonna normally know that before i even right drop like i'm gonna know like you know all the labels have like a calendar of what be coming out for the most part right but yeah i get about somebody way but people get up out my way too though right they should yeah i'm looking at uh this are you the best rapper in that 2016 class i feel like i am right but i feel like everybody in that class should feel like they is too right but hell yeah i feel like i am for sure dark days song of the album you would say your gun won't love you back and the block won't hug you back

that song yeah i really was like in the booth like talking like to like a younger me okay a young man in that same situation type shit like i was just like telling them like yeah this shit might look cool but in reality like this was just like telling them like yeah shit might look cool but in reality like this the truth like this what it really is right here like this the real type shit I was just like talking to him in that way like yeah you you could say you love that block but it don't love you it ain't gonna hug you back right you can stay like her the block that's like posting on the block I night it ain't gonna hug you back you could love your gun but your gun ain't never gonna love you back right you're gonna lose your friends after your candlelight dang ain't

nobody gonna come check on your mama like that they ain't gonna give her nothing wow like you feel me like that's just how shit go for real. You told kids to stay in school, talked about seeing friends take their last breath, talked about crying at night and mama's crying, talked about kids growing up with our fathers, said even though you even thought about suicide, tell the story that don't want people to live. So what is it about that lifestyle that people find so not people but young men especially a lot of young men of color find so fascinating when you young you damn near get rewarded for dumb shit right like when you young but it ain't like a real reward but it's like you get more attention i say that like like when we be growing up like we don't be getting a lot of attention type shit like our daddy ain't around mama always busy type shit

so like when you do bad shit remember i told you like you get a counselor right that was like some cool in school like if you had a counselor like other kids look at you like Like you was something to actually so it's like It just build up and build up and build up type shit And you just used to getting rewarded for dumb shit or not dumb shit But like bad shit that is just carry on and then you just before you know it you a grown man And you just stuck in this shit You know that you a grown man and you just stuck in this shit type shit. But you're one of the ones that made it.

You got an opportunity to be a grown man. Got an opportunity to look back and say, look, made some mistakes. Don't make the mistakes that I made. Yeah. You wanted a few. Yeah. Bless. I know a lot of people that didn't. Blessing.

I know a lot of people that didn't. On this album, Young Thug, Young Thug pre-recorded. Do you still talk to Thug? Yeah. Not like that, though. Right. We didn't talk. The 21 American Dream.

You got a story, a movie coming out. No, that was a parody. A parody. Okay. Do you think your story is good enough to be a movie or documentary? You got a very interesting story, Savage. Do you think? You think so? I do. Because it's the American Dream. I mean, think about how many people you hear about this all the time.

People migrating to America and you're an American success story. Not a whole lot of money. Very tough upbringing. Single parent. I mean, you had love and you could have gone down this path and you went down this path for a period of time. But somehow you come back down the straight and narrow. And here we are. American love success stories. Why not? Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it could be one day. They'll hate on it now, though. Why they gonna hate on it?

Because they gonna be like, what the fuck 21 Savage deserve a story for a movie by him? Right. What he did. Right. You know how they do. You know what they hate on?

Your relationship with Drake. Why people got beef with Drake? What Drake do to anybody? I don't know. So, cuz you know you gonna get blowback. If you cool with Drake, they hating on him, they gonna hate on you too. Yeah, I don't know. I fuck with Drake though. Drake my boy.

Yeah, you sure? I mean, what's not to like about the man? I mean, hell, everything he touch turned to platinum. Damn gold, platinum. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Yeah. Do you think people are envious of your relationship?

Because obviously, it's not like he, I wouldn't say that he doesn't mess with a whole lot of people, but he seems to have a very, you and he seem to have a very special relationship. And sometimes people get envious of that. They want what you have what you feel like a man is if he's jealous of how cool two other men are what do you what you think what you think that is what you would look at like that like if if somebody said i don't like how steven they fuck with shannon short like how that how that'll make you feel what you would look at that life that's some hate man you know what right because it is you feel what you look at that life. That's some hate. You know what? Right. Because it is. But what what you have to understand and I'm learning this savage is that as you rise, the plows are going to come.

But so is the hate and the criticism. So if you're not willing to accept the plows and the adulation that comes along with the rise, you might as well get off because the hate and the criticism coming. Yeah. Yeah. And that's a part of it. And you just have to accept that. And the hate and the criticism, it can't drown out the applause and the adulation. Right. What adulation mean?

Applause, the praise, the Grammys, the, man, Savage, you hear savage album man f savage man i don't f with that dude like that man he ain't like that yeah you know that you know that's coming yeah but see everybody everybody see as long as you like here and everybody's here with you we cool savage but now hold on now don't you go here because if i can't go here with you i'm gonna start hating on you yeah now if you get here now i gotta say some stuff that might not even be true right because i don't want people to like you more than they like me i ain't never been like that though i know you're not but there are a lot of people that are yeah i wonder why though like what make you be like that like i always look always look at it like shit. That's just like me hanging on Drake.

Yeah. I'm trying to get there. Right. I look at it like inspiration, like shit. I'm working. That's, see,

that's how I look at it. I look at anybody that's done something, what has been done once, hell, it can be done again. Right. So with Drake,

there, hell, why can't I get there? Right. See, that's how I looked at it when I saw Stephen A and I see guys that,

you know, Charles Barkley and things like that. I was like, I'm not hating on him. I was like, I can do that. Let me see. Let me get on my grind. Yeah. But that's not how we are. We're not we're not wired like that. Right. And it's sad. The touring aspect. What do you what do you like? What do you like most about touring and touring with Drake? The money. and touring with Drake.

The money? Lots of it come with Drake, huh? That shit just come, period. Right. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news,

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Might as well. Man, I got you. What the hell? What a 55-year-old going to rap about? Shit, rap about goddamn everything. Everything you're going through. It's some 55-year-olds that goddamn can relate.

It's a lot. Google how many 55-year-old men it is in the world. That's a bunch of them. All right, then. Nah, you ain't going to get me out there

looking crazy. Jump out there, make a song. Get some screaming money and then tell me if screaming pay or not. out there have me out there jump out there make a song get some screaming money and tell me if screaming pay or not what's it like touring outside the country it's different because they they got it's like they love they love hard they might not even speak english but they can sing every word that you be singing yeah that shit crazy i ain't never got love like that before

really i have I have but I Think it's just different because they don't see you as often. So they appreciate you more right type shit Yeah, so you love so you love going you love? I mean, it's not like you don't love touring the stage but you love going out of the country because they give you love like But I think it might be different for me because, remember, I couldn't travel for so long. Like, my first time ever performing out of the country was a couple months ago. Right.

Because you couldn't leave because of the situation. Right. So I think it was, like, anticipated for me a lot. Right. But, shit, every soul showed out. They were showing love like a motherfucker, like, screaming every song every song like songs that I wouldn't even expect them to know They know every word every word. Yeah, that shit was crazy. Let me ask you this. Would you ever experiment with your sound like Drake did? Yeah, why not once I get to Drake level

You got you got to be big as hell to experiment. Yeah. Because you could experiment and that shit end your career. Right. So you got to have the leverage to do that type shit. But right now, you love the Savage sound right now. That's working right now. It's booming.

You sold out. Your album's number one. You go platinum. I'm just slowly evolving type shit piece by piece. I ain't finna just jump out the window and just make no whole different shit. Right. But I give you little bits and pieces of it as I go type shit. You like R&B.

Would you ever do an R&B album? With me singing? Yeah. Hell nah, man. I had to go get a vocal coach. okay i love r&b though i listen to that shit more than anything i don't even listen to rap like that okay you you like r&b give me your mount rushmore r&b artist if you you got you got give me your top five r&b artists can they just artists or a group can it be either or you can be either it's your list all right

mount rushmore ain't in order neither no no no no now my rushmore is only four but i'm gonna make it easy on you i'm gonna let you get five i'm gonna let you get five all right usher okay I love SWV. Okay. Beyonce. Okay. The boy who in jail. R. Kelly. And, um, fire tough, man.

Number five tough, bro. I ain't gonna lie, I love Monica. Monica. Okay. But then, like, you got Mary J. Black. Yeah, I love Monica. Monica. Okay. But then, like, you got Mary J. Blige. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got goddamn, because the Isley Brothers got some shit. For sure. There's so many other ones, but them probably who I listen to the most. Right. What's your Mount Rushmore be? R&B? Well, Usher, that definitely got to be on there. Usher. r&b well usher that definitely got to be on there usher for me i would say usher mary jay

uh man james brown i would probably know that's so marvin gay james brown soul right yeah yeah Marvin Gaye. James Brown, soul, right? Yeah. I wouldn't put him in R&B. Who? James Brown. No, I wouldn't either, no. Probably Marvin Gaye. I guess Luther. For me, I love Luther. But you can't go wrong with Kenny Lattimore either. I don't know Kenny Lattimore.

Yeah, he a little bit for your time. Yeah. Yeah. But you know Luther, right? Yeah. Luther Vandross. Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. So would you, like, let's just say you want to do an R&B album. Who is it? And you can't pick Beyonce. Why I can't pick Beyonce? Nah, hell nah, because I know you're going to pick Beyonce. You can't pick Beyonce. Who jumping on the track with you?

Just one person? Yeah. For the whole album? Nah, you know what? I'm going to let you do a feature. You can have as many as you want. I'm going to let you have Beyonce. Beyonce? Usher going to do a track. Beyonce going to do a track. Beyonce going to do another track.

That's two. I'm going to just get two from Beyonce. Summer Walker. Okay. That girl, she hard as a motherfucker. Coco Jones. Okay.

Her. Okay, I like her. I'm gonna go get Avant, wherever he at. Right. I'm gonna find him out of retirement. i'm gonna go get a font wherever he at right we're gonna go get a font we're gonna get the boy joe yeah okay we're gonna see what joe at well you might want to put if you go get you what about casey and jojo you're gonna put them on your r&b they they be staying still they still say yeah casey and jojo i'm gonna go get jagged edge man you're going way far man i'm gonna bring them back together i'm gonna go get swv okay to come back out um i love um cut close if they still somewhere singing i get cut close i get sammo 2 to come

back okay yeah see i'm gonna have all type of shit on my shit. Right. I probably make the hardest collaboration R&B album of all time. If I could just get all them artists. Right. On God. Yeah, it's going to cost you a lot, though. Shit, it's all right.

We're going to scream. How did it feel to help J. Cole win this with Grammys? I I think we helped each other I don't think I just helped him I think we helped each other it felt good shit that was my first Grammy too right ain't like I just had 10 Grammys and I just gave him a Grammy right we won that motherfucker at the same time right I wouldn't have got it without him right so what so what was that what was that feeling like you're sitting in there okay you get nominated obviously it's a huge accomplishment just to get nominated everybody say oh you know i don't even care if i win as long as i'm nominated bull jive you're nominated you want to win okay

so you sit there and the grammy four goes to and they call jay col and 21 Savage. What goes through your mind? I was sad that day because that was the day Kobe died. Oh. So I was kind of sad that day. And then, like, my award wasn't announced in the Grammys. I knew I won it before we got there. Oh, that's anticlimactic. It was, like, one of them, like, pre-announced. Yeah.

Yeah. You want to hear? You want to hear? Hey, I want to hear. You want to get up and walk up? Yeah, yeah. You want to walk on stage? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You want to hear, you want to, hey, I want to, hey, I want to hear money. You want to get up and walk up. Yeah, yeah, you want to walk on stage. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that was the day Kobe died. So, kind of like bittersweet. So, would you do a collab with J. Cole?

Yeah, for sure. It seems like you like, look, you're one of these, you're one of these artists that, hey, you collab,

Offset, J. Cole, Drake. You don't seem to have no beef with none of the artists mm-hmm cuz I feel like I Feel like life is bigger than like that type shit. I feel like we are blessed to be in these predicaments and positions and right because I feel like we'll be doing the people injustice by not giving them that right Type shit. Like back in the day, you don't remember like everybody used to be in everybody video.

It was more like unity. Yeah. Because we was all coming from, we spoiled now. Artists today is spoiled because of how far music has went. Back in the day, it was like, it was harder to get on. Right. So they was more appreciative.

By the time they got, they start getting their shit together. You know what I'm saying? So they all stuck together a little more. Yeah, we had, that's why I feel like beef was so big back then. Right. Because it was like more rare. Now, like everybody beefing.

Everybody beefing. So type shit. But are they really beefing or are they trying to get some publicity? It be half and half. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to put you on. I got a tough one for you right now. Give me your top five Atlanta rappers. Without me. Without you.

I'm going to go Future. Okay. T.I. Okay. Gucci, Outkast, and Young Thug. Okay. I'm sorry, Luda, Jeezy. Y'all made my top five, but that's it. Damn. Migos, Thug, Yachty, Baby, I'm sorry. Damn Migos

Thug Yachty Baby I'm sorry See you can't Do no Atlanta top five You can You gotta do

Atlanta top 20 Nope Nope We got too many greats Nah Cause I ain't finna let you Put everybody up in there So when they see that

They like I like my five Them niggas ain't gonna Put me in their top five anyway they might hell no they gonna say current current or all time so what what what type of influence did gucci have on you you say you saw gucci at miss wieners very very early on i'm gonna keep it real like growing up on the east side bro bro, Gucci made me hate Young Jeezy as a child.

You know what I'm saying? I used to really be like, man, fuck Jeezy. I'm from the east side, nigga. Gucci type shit. On God, Gucci had a big impact. Gucci was the one. He put that shit on the map

letting me know. The east side type shit are you big in the gifts do you buy uh other uh other i saw drake uh bought thug or ferrari are you big into buying other artists gift that jump on your album and and blow it up um yeah we'd be buying i done bought drake some shit he done bought me some shit i done bought thug shit he bought me shit like people that i fuck me some shit. I done bought Thug shit. He bought me shit. Like, people that I fuck with in Metro. Right. I just don't do shit for the internet.

Right. So, like... You do stuff and don't nobody know about it. Yeah. But a nigga might have a chain on that I bought him. Right. But you would never know. Right.

Because I ain't finna, like, be like, huh, bro. Yeah. Type shit. Were you old enough to remember Freak Nick? Yeah. Freak Nick was like that, wasn wasn't it i don't remember being there i just remember traffic like can't go nowhere nope type shit it was real nice though but you gotta come to my free you been you know i've been throwing freak nick too but you thought what what hold on what time what's really going on? On my birthday. When is this? October.

Ah, man. Man. We had like, how many people was out there? Like 7,000 people? Yeah. All downtown at the Underground. We had Uncle Luke perform. What?

Yeah. Yeah, I remember them days. You see what I told you? See, after you get 55, you just get on up out of the way. You know, I had them days. You see what I told you? See, after you get 55, you just get on up out of the way. You know, I had my time. In my early 20s, in my late 20s, early 30s, I had my time. I had my time with Freak Nick. It was real nice. For real?

Oh, man. Let me stop. Let me stop. I ain't going to say this. It was all right. It was all right. No. Everybody be talking about, you know, teeth. What's going on?

I mean, you spent a lot. You put a spin. I mean, now you you you you savage. You can be in front of the camera. You rap and you got to have your grill right. Yeah, for sure. How many bands you put in there? Like 85. See? Yeah, for sure How many bands you put in there like 85 see I

Had to go get them right you get it right? Yeah, you're supposed to though. Yeah, not the composite shit. No, no That's every dollar today. I know yeah, you got that porcelain. Yeah Grill no grill Grills, no grills. I want to get to this. Dating publicly. Would you ever date publicly again? Yeah, probably. You would?

Would you? No. Why? Because I believe if you date publicly, you have to break up publicly and you have to deal with your issue publicly. If you date privately, you can break up privately and deal with any issues you may have privately. Damn, I never thought about it. You just taught me something. That's just me.

I mean, to each his own. I mean, some people like that. I don't. My relationship is not for public consumption. Right. Because sometimes I think people start to try to live and try to to play out their relationship for the public and do things. Oh, you see what they did? They on this vacation. If I go on vacation, it's just me and you. I ain't trying to do anything for the grandmother. Right. Yeah. I mean, if I if I don't all that, like when you go out to eat and you women got to take pictures.

Ooh, let me take a picture. Come on, man. Stop it. Yeah, I don't got it. So that's where I'm at with that. But that's the eat your own. Yeah. But you could be, I mean, if your lady says, okay, you know, Savage, I'm going, hey.

You might just change my mind. I don't got it. You might just change my mind because you got to break up publicly. But what if you never break up? Have you ever been in a relationship that you felt like, I don't think we ever going to break up? Hell, all the relationships that you be in, you be thinking that at the time. I don't think anybody get no relationship thinking like, oh, man, this is going to end tomorrow. You think it's going to last forever.

Oh, God. But I just think the thing is that sometimes, you man that internet man yeah then people start then people start surmising what's going on oh he ain't he don't love her like that she don't love him she for the street he for the street and it started to play i mean you you get inundated with that savage man you hear that enough and it just yeah it'll take a toll on you it does it does uh your tattoos how old when you got your first tattoo 13 14 i had got my mama name though all right so she couldn't so you were cool with that so how old when you first got your face tat your first face tat how old were you 16 she didn't like that 17 yeah she didn't like it

17 17 yeah so so what was it the cross was it was 21 okay and then that next year um my big brother larry that was like johnny best friend. He had got killed. Him and his mama got killed together. Wow. And I had got RIP Larry because me and Larry went and got 21 together. Right. So I had one that got RIP Larry around it. That was my second face tattoo. Right. What does being a father mean to you? Everything. It's just like, mean to you everything it's just like I feel like that's where your legacy count the most mm-hmm cuz when you think of like all the legends you be like now I wonder what they signed on what they kids look like like that's who carry on like that's your lineage yeah I feel like it mean everything and you're trying to be everything that your father was to you.

Yeah, facts. Do you make a, is it just second nature or you try, or you make a conscious, or you like, yeah, my dad wouldn't do this, so I'm going to do that. Nah, hell nah, I don't do that. It's just second nature. It's just second nature. I don't even think it's like, I don't even think of me and my daddy relationship when I think of like my kids. Really? It's just what, what come natural to to me do you always want to be a parent did you always want to be a father yeah yeah i always wanted to have kids i feel like what did you what did you really do it

for if you don't have no kids right like what was all of this for you just gonna die and then what that's the end of you ain't nothing else to go on like type shit like how i look at like brani and shit or like kenyamon jr or like carmelo's son it's like that's what it's about right shit like oh god you want to what if your son would Dad, you know I want to be a rapper too? I'm going to try and find something else, but if that's his passion, shit, we're going to do it the right way. Right. When people say rap is declining, your answer is?

Um, my show prices going going up it's already the class it can't it can't be declining shit my shit going up right i just did the most streams in a day for for of my career the biggest solo streams of my career right so it can't be declining but i don't know though right what's 21 savage goal for 24 we early in 24 we january so what what can we expect what's your goals for 24 i just want to like level up with everything that i'm doing like better show um i feel like everybody love the album already. Spend more time with my kids and my people. Like I want to go back to London more often and shit.

And just like- Not as you can travel, that's something that you want to do. Yeah, like traveling and just starting new ventures and shit and business and just growing up right doing grown stuff 21 savvy ladies and gentlemen all my life been grinding all my life sacrifice hustle paid the price wanna slice got the roll of dice that's why all my life i've been grinding all my life all my life been grinding all my life sacrifice hustle paid the I'll see you next time. NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news and the best analysis delivered

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