Club Shay Shay - Andre Iguodala

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

Andre Iguodala is here inside Club Shay Shay! The 4x NBA Champ and 2015 Finals MVP joins Shannon to talk about his time with the Golden State Warriors, biggest games he's played in and some of the legends he has shared the court with! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make sure to listen to the Good Morning Football podcast Monday through Friday on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you am your host. I've been grinding all my life. Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shea Shea. I am your host. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shea Shea. And the guy that's coming to for a drinking conversation today is a four-time NBA champ. He was a 2015 Finals MVP, a two-time All-Defensive player,

two-time gold medalist, an All-Star, New York Times bestselling author, businessman, podcast host, Andre Iguodala. Did I say that right? Is it I podcast hope, Andre Iguodala. Did I say that right? Is it Iguodala or Iguodala? Whoa, you on point. Iguodala. Depends on who you ask.

I'm asking you. My father would know how to say his name. He would say Iguodala. Iguodala. But my mother would say Iguodala. But I think I know where my father's from, so. So you would go with Iguodala. Iguodala is the proper way, but Iguodala. But I think I know where my pops is from, so. So you would go with the Iguodala. Iguodala is the proper way, but Iguodala is easier.

Right. And then I've had it butchered since I was a toddler, so. Yeah, because a lot of times you say it, it's like, nah, it's Iguodala. But he been saying the Iguodala, so I was like, okay, whatever, just say Iggy. Most of the time he would just say Iggy, keep it moving. Right, right. Coming off an NBA championship, four-time champion, what's the summer been like thus far?

For me, the summer's always crazy in terms of just getting business done. Right. So, like, I hit the ground, we just running, we just running. So, obviously, spending some time. When you say business, not basketball business, off-court business. Off-court business, for sure. You know, doing a lot of things I'm doing in tech, probably around, like, 80 companies I'm invested in now right uh private sector companies um you know the markets got hit a little bit right

now right you don't see as many ipos um they're slowing down with that but you know prior to covert hitting had a few ipos couple companies that uh did well um you know recording a podcast from my man evan turner uh that's really good. We had some exciting guests this week. Right. But it's just pure work. And then I got some interesting things business-wise that I'm developing on the basketball side as well, some other media stuff as well.

So we just cooking in the kitchen. You play a long season. Obviously, you played longer than anybody else when you were in the Celtics, but you won the championship. How soon do you start back ramping it back up to get ready for another season? That's a good, that's funny cuz I had a great conversation with Chris Bosch after the first time he won, this was 2015. And I was at a CEO barbecue, Ben Horowitz,

half Andreessen Horowitz and saw Chris Bosch there. And I asked him the question, when am I supposed to get back in the gym? And he had probably the best response. He said, wait as long as possible. And he's like, you know, that long season's crazy. You went through it all. You got to enjoy it because they're going to throw you right back in the gauntlet as

soon as the season starts. And you don't want to have to go through, you know, it's almost like hitting a rookie wall when you get, when you just, you overplay. Right. You know what I mean? You just get burnt out of rookie wall when you get when you just you overplay right you know what i mean you just get burnt out of the game and you feel like you're working as opposed to just enjoying your passion so i always keep lifting weights and just keep my body tight right and then i probably touch a ball august 1st august 1st it's july wow so you've gone almost two months without touching the basketball yeah i mean but you know i got you'll touch a ball just by accident right like if you run into a ball you'll just like do

you really do yeah yeah yeah you might do that but you're not in the gym getting ready right preparing for season i'm not doing my two-a-days because i'll do like like a two weeks or two a days like on my own right like i'll get in there where I do weight lift weights, go through a hard workout, go home, take a nap, eat, get back up, and go in the gym at night and get up 500 makes. Right. And I do that for like two weeks. But as I'm getting older, you're working smarter. Like, watch your Floyd.

Like, you're watching Floyd. Yeah. You're like, I don't need to work for four hours. I can get the same work in an hour and a half. And I'm just tight with it. That was the hardest part for me, is that I still try to do the same volume with the same intensity

as I got older and my hamstrings and my quads, they couldn't take it and I didn't understand that until I had the injuries in the off season a little while and I was like, you know what, I gotta train smarter not harder. The volume, my body just can't take that. Yeah, same thing. I'm 38

now and you know, my son's 15 My body just can't take that. Yeah, same thing. I'm 38 now. Right. And, you know, my son's 15. Right. You know, and then I'll be like, well, I'm sore. And I just wore him out. But I'm like, whoa, this feels different. Right. When you say, like, how much longer do you want to play?

Or it has to be the right situation. It's not a matter of length. It's being in the right situation. Yeah, 100%. I think everything has to align, even off the court too. Because if there ever becomes a time where I feel like, I mean, it could be now, it could be next year, it could be in two years. If I feel like basketball is taken away from my off-the-court endeavors,

then I say, all right, I got to step to size. So we're getting closer and closer to that, where I got a lot of good things going on off the court. And I'm really having to think about really weighing that option where it's more valuable off the court, even if it's a, you know, the things I'm doing off the court are for 10 years down the road. You know, people think in this instant gratification, they think I've been investing and I got all these crazy investments. And I'm saying, oh, this has been 10 years in the making. Yeah, you just got to build out knowing that, you know, the private investments are really like five to 10 years out. Right.

Obviously, the Warriors is a great situation and you're a free agent. Is that something you're amenable to? Because you spoke about there's nothing like the Warriors with how they treat their players, the way you do business there. What makes the Warriors and how they do business so much different? Because you've been in Philly, you've been in Miami, you've been in Memphis, you've been in Denver. So it's not like you've been with one or two teams. You've been with four or five teams. So you know the practice schedule, you know the training, you know everything. So what makes Golden State's

situation so unique? I think it's just the combination of what I've been able to do off the court as well as the accomplishments we had off on the court, you know, a little bit of both on and off. So just building that relationship with Steve. Steve let me maneuver how I know how to maneuver. And he knows that I'm locked in. So if I'm playing basketball, that's my passion. So I'm there early. You know, I'm getting my reps up.

I'm leaving late. So I'm locked in. Right. But at the same time, the things that I'm doing off the court, you don't have access like that anywhere else. Now you're starting to see little tech hubs pop up everywhere you know um the things that michael rubin's doing are amazing in the philadelphia area so guys can get into that you always got new york here in l.a you got a lot of folks from uh silicon valley especially in the media space they come down here to l.a so it's starting to get spread out more but in terms of you know the top talent

meeting the ceos access direct access is right there in the bay and um like i said before you know what i took i did a i had a job with comcast ventures like where i was actually going to the office this was during my time when i didn't go to memphis where i was a full-time employee for for uh comcast and i was with their uh the tech uh investment firm and was able to uh get a lot of knowledge there get my feet. Now I'm off and start my own firm and that's up and running. So, you know, just a lot of things going on in the right place. Yeah, let's talk about that Memphis situation. Well, really, because there are some guys that was taking some shots from a distance,

even though you were kind of quiet about the situation. I thought you being a veteran player and say, you know what? I see they got something special here. They got a lot of you got John. They got some young talent. Let me mentor these guys. Let me let me see what I if I can help do for them. What Steph I was able to bring a little bit to Steph and Clay and Draymond.

What was your thought process in Memphis? So this was this is the issue I had, you know, I was really upset about how it all played out. Because as you know, if you get traded to the team what happens pack up your bags you go to work right right they call you say hey we're excited to have you you know we can't wait to have you in you know in our city start looking for a place we got a realtor here's a basketball player development or you know people that help you off the court with you know finding the right way to navigate the city okay that's normally how it works cool set it up you go there you do your job this situation was, you see it more and more now in basketball,

especially when guys have one year left on their contract, you know, probably going to buy you out. Probably not looking to bring you in. Probably looking to trade you. You know, we brought you in. So they're having all these conversations after you've gotten traded there. Day one, you get traded. I got traded on, it might have been July 7, 8, whatever the date was, right? You know, I think Katie made his decision and then he went to Brooklyn. Soon after that, I talked to Bob Myers. I'm already knowing what was about to happen. Trade happens in Memphis, get on the phone with the agent, never talked to anyone from Memphis. Agent goes, you know, they're not looking to bring you in. They'll have a trade or something

before the season even starts. So let's look at our options coming out of Memphis. Okay. Cause you're not even gonna go. Right. So when that's the conversation from the beginning, Right. It's my understanding, oh, okay.

They don't really want me. It's not even like they don't want me, it's just business. Right. Nothing personal. All right, you got an asset. You were able to make a move with the Warriors. You got a one-year expiring contract.

You're looking to move that to a team that may want me to help them get to a title run, which ended up being Miami. In return, you want some assets, some draft picks in exchange as you're going young. That's the game. I understand basketball. Okay. All right, we're on the same page. One month by two months go by three months go by because my mind just july right this happens right and what we doing you know i'm i'm not getting ready for the season i just made

another finals run right we just went to the finals four years in a row right right yeah 15 16 17 18 19 we went five years in a row. So, all right, I gotta start figuring out how I wanna start getting ready for the season because I need to get ready for that particular team. Right. What's going on? And now the sentiment's changed. You know how it goes.

Team wants to leverage a guy who multiple teams want. They wanna leverage this team with this team. It was talk I might've come to LA. Could be the Clippers, could be the Lakers. So Memphis is smart. All right, we gonna leverage Iguodala. Who can we get more from? Memphis or LA Lakers Iguodala. Who can we get more from, Memphis or L.A. Lakers or L.A. Clippers? Who can we get more from?

We're just going to leverage them off each other. Right. And need the team big because they knew what was going on. Right. So trade doesn't happen. So now they're like, all right, maybe we want you to come in. But that's not where your mind is. Well, we already discussed what was gonna happen.

The day you traded for me, you told me I wasn't gonna come. Right. So what are we doing now? I mean, what changes? Me as a player never changed. Right. So obviously, you're just not getting what you want. So you want me to come in.

So you felt some type of way, because they told you one thing, and you're expecting it to be that. And now all of a sudden, they reversed course and said, no, all of a sudden, yeah, we do want you to come in. Well, you won't but now they want you to come in so you can showcase so they can use really showcase for them to get more. I just been around basketball for too long. I know how things work. Right? All right, man. Y'all want to do business. So I'm

gonna do business as well. So now you start hearing other teams in the trade. You might hear Milwaukee. You might hear Portland. You might hear this team and now I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait i do have some control of my destination regardless of if that is frowned upon or not right because we've been hearing that lately we don't like when players request trades yeah but i think there should be some accountability with teams in terms of all right we traded for you to trade you out and then you want to change course now the player should have some type of say so in terms of where they want to go and then in in corporate america that's usually the case you

can pretty much determine where you want to go if your employer says we don't want you here you can go somewhere else right so i just start taking matters in my own hands all right you want to trade me to this team all right reach out to that team listen uh i got a couple months left on my contract if you trade for me i can just retire know, you're just really taking control of your destination. And I'm not saying by any means, but you just, you know, I feel like I've been around long enough. I know how to handle that certain situation. So that's how the situation was handled.

And I told him, hey, you said you had the trade done by August, September. We late September. Now you want me to come in? All right, I'll just sit at home. Because ultimately, the CBA says you can find a player for not showing up. Right. So if it was really an issue, I would have just missed every paycheck not going to Memphis. Right.

Now when you break all that down, if they really wanted me, they would have just fined me for not showing up. Right. So it was a mutual agreement. You know, you don't have to come to training camp. But maybe the players in Memphis didn't understand what the front office had going on with you. 100%. That's why you've never heard me say anything negative about any of the players. You've heard me say anything about those guys. I love those guys. I'm, you know, vice president of a union. You know, I'm a player first type of guy where I got y'all back. I'm trying to help y'all understand the business, understand the game. So it's never been a personal situation. And I think, you know, you got front office who may feed certain guys information. That's where they're getting their knowledge of the business from. So they might go into an interview and speak a certain type of tone towards me,

not understanding the situation because of who they got it from. So it's just like you only hear one side of a story. Okay. There was this meme going around where you were having a conversation with Andrew Wiggins. It was very similar to the situation, I think, maybe it's first year or the second year. Draymond and KD, and he's doing this to KD and KD, like I understand. Very similar meme with you and Andrew Wiggins. What were you telling Wiggins and what were you trying to get him to understand what he wasn't doing as opposed to what he needed to do? It's funny because he was doing the right thing. So what happened was he, you

know, Wigg showed that he's one of the top defenders in this league in the playoffs. Yes. Period. Yes. You know, he had to guard Luca. You know, he spent a little bit of time on job and then he had to guard the guard Jason Tatum. Yes. You know, he had to guard Luka. You know, he spent a little bit of time on Ja. And then he had to guard Jason Tatum. You know, top three young. These are the new faces of the league coming up. Correct. So he had to guard. And he's still young.

He's 27 years old. So I remember one of our first games versus the Lakers early in the season. We played LeBron. Wiggs pulled me to the side and he said, you know, what's some tips on guarding LeBron? I said, oh, shit. He's listening. This is the type of player I like. A guy that asks me questions, that means he's listening.

And from there, me and Wiggs just built this great rapport. Like, that's my guy. And I always knew he was good, just may not have been in the right situation. So we in the finals and whoever he's guarding, he's giving them problems. So obviously both teams scout. Boston is setting picks on him constantly.

They trying to get him off Tatum. The first thing we're going to do is we're going to run sets and we're just going to hit Wiggins. him constantly they trying to get him off tatum right the first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna run sets and we're just gonna hit wiggins we're just trying to get a switch we just need to get wiggins off the table right and the first couple games he was getting through the screens and in that particular game that was game three we lost game three he was accepting the switch right and i'm telling wigs don't get hit by no more picks you know and if it's two-sided because wigs has four teammates on the court too that should be helping him not get hit right and you know the communication may not have been there like it should have been right and i'm telling wigs all right we not we not it's not a two-way communication it's one way it's you and

it's only you somebody said a pick run through them or go around them don't accept switching and it's a compliment to how good of a defensive player you are that's what i was trying to get him to see and i was just letting him know like you know i've been guarding everybody my whole career you know carmelo kobe braun joe johnson was an amazing guy i had to. You know, Paul Pierce, you know, I'm in one game. I got a Rondo Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, KG. That's when I knew I was a great defender. And I was trying to get wigs to see that. You know how, you know how I know you're a good defender?

Cause they keep setting picks on you. Cause they don't want you guarding the best player. Right. Now you know who you are. Go kill him. Right. And that's exactly what he did. You watch the rest of the games.

You didn't see him switch too much on picks or accept the switch. And he did what he had to do. Do you think before he got to Golden State, he lacked confidence? I think it's, I mean, you think about it. He was the number one pick in the draft and he never played a game for the team

that selected him number one overall. And then he gets shipped to Minnesota and then Minnesota trades him for D'Angelo, I think D'Angelo Russell. Right, right, right. And so, you know, he's like, well, damn, I'm the number one pick in the draft, but I done got moved twice in like three years, four years. I don't think he lost confidence.

I just don't think he was in a situation that warranted confidence. Okay. When you're in certain organizations and the goal may not be to win a championship. The goal may be let's try to win more games than we lose. Right. And let's try to make it look good. Right. It's really hard to play the right way. It's really hard to play team basketball.

It's really hard to sacrifice. Because really all you're doing is trying to show face. Like I got my 20 points tonight. I got 25 tonight. I did my job. Right. And that happens all across sports on, you know, the bottom half of the teams. Guys are just trying to get their numbers to say it wasn't my fault.

Right. So it's just, you just get caught up in bad habits of, you know, a bad organization. Right. Not to call them a bad organization. It's just not winning ways. Right. And you just continue to get criticized in terms of how you're playing the game. Right.

And then he gets to a situation where, oh, I'm playing to win, so I don't have to get 25. He averaged 18 this year, but it was a great 18, shot the highest percentage he had from the three-point line. All-star game. Started the all-star game. It was amazing for us. And then he was our second-best player in the playoffs, period.

Like, he was our second-best player, and that says a lot from, you know, we got Steph, we got in the playoffs, period. Correct. Like, he was our second best player. And that says a lot from, you know, we got Steph, we got Draymond, we got Clayton. Those guys have been running the league for the last eight years. Right. You know what I mean? So for him to come in and do that, the talent was always there. He's just never been in a position to really play with real confidence and play real basketball. Why do you – they're totally different players.

And I don't want people to misconstrue this why I'm saying that Andrew Wiggins is better than Kevin Durant, I'm not saying. But why do you think he was such an adequate replacement for Kevin Durant? Yeah, I do think they're different, you know. And I think we have a, it's a different type of team, especially with our young talent. Like with a guy like Jordan Poole, we didn't have that explosive score off the bench because we had kd right like we didn't have an exploit like it was myself sean levinston uh barbosa and uh maurice space was there early but we had good depth off the bench but it was more like uh players who did specific things whether you just stood there and spot up and shot the ball or you play defense you were

you were a smart player we didn't have to get 30. Who can go get 30, three, four, five games in a row. And with Katie, we didn't need none of that. Just get Katie ball, move the ball, move out the way. If we need to bucket. Well, with wigs, I feel like it's a little different because of having Jordan pool, having clay come back and, you know, you know,

Clayton get his attempts. What do you say? I ain't sacrificing for nobody, but I thought wigs was just really good at being able to uh what he did better than he's ever done his career is rebound the ball the way he did right you know he just did the podcast with me and he said i'll never average four rebounds for the rest of my career he was attacking the glass you know i'm saying you know he's finally started getting to the line wasn't afraid of the line so he was picking up on the intangibles we Wiggs was always a guy who would just go get you 24 points a game.

But he might have had three rebounds, might have had one assist. So it was empty stats because he was in a bad situation in terms of winning. But he came into a winning situation, and he started doing all the little intangible things, and it just meshed so well with our team because of what else we had around him. You caught a lot of criticism. Steph wins his fourth ring he's finals mvp finally he's a two-time mvp he's regarded as the greatest shooter ever and you

said after winning this fourth ring and winning the finals mvp that he solidifies himself as the greatest point guard and you said that stone face as if magic Johnson didn't exist, is not still here. You know what happened? I went and watched Winning Time on HBO Max. And I watched It's Magic on Apple TV. Yeah. So I knew about Magic, and I revere Magic. Sometimes we revere guys.

And it works both ways. Sometimes we look too much into a guy, or we don't look enough into a guy. Right. So you can get both ways. Sometimes we look too much into a guy or we don't look enough into a guy. So you can get both ways where a guy will. And I don't want to mess up my words, but I got to see Magic's weaknesses. Yeah. Where I could never see him before. Right. And now I'm watching every little close thing and I'm like, oh, okay.

Now I'm seeing, you know, his weaknesses. And I started watching on Olympic Channel in 92 Olympics. Yes. You know what I mean? So I'm really watching everything. I'm looking for guys' weaknesses Olympics. Yes. You know what I mean? So I'm really watching everything. I'm looking for guys' weaknesses now. You know what I mean? So just watching that in depth, and when you're in the finals,

you're looking for anything to get away from the finals. So I was really throwing myself and immersed into Magic. So being able to break down his game from that, and then always, oh, I know Steph's weaknesses. You know, I'm with him every day. Right. So just matching up things, everything everybody's been saying about him.

And the teams Magic had with him, the team Steph had with him. Like, Magic had, I think, higher, a higher level of talent. He got three. Three of the top three players, no matter how you slice. And I think Magic had a guy who's never, he's gotten credit for how good he was. But I don't think people know how good James Worthy was. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

James Worthy would be a great player in any and every era. Oh, yeah. Which is rare. Yeah. You know what? In football, there's certain guys, their games don't translate. Right. Magic had a few guys whose games would translate.

Right. You know, I think Cooper's game would translate, especially 3 and D now. 3 and D, yes. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely, yeah. B. Scott. B. Scott.

B. Scott game would translate because he was kind of a 3 and D guy as well. You know, I'm saying about B Scott B Scott B Scott game would translate because he was kind of a 3d guy as well You know I'm saying bloody D. Valk was nice. Yeah, and this is early with him Well, you the pay you the big pass either passing big man, right? Which would be great right now He'd be a poor man's joke as they would say, you know, I mean so magic had really great talent around Yes, and then you know, it's funny when they talk about Steph They really like breaking down the weaknesses of the guys around him. They always want to talk about what Draymond can't do. And they always forget about what he can do.

And then Klay, they always try to call him one-dimensional. He's always been a great two-way player. Plus, he just had two injuries. Yeah, yeah. And you just said it. Wiggs coming in because they tried to say it was KD. Then Wiggs coming in, Steph still do it. Then you got a young player in Poole.

He was regarded as the worst draft in the draft. Right. The guy said that. Yes. Worst pick thus far in the draft. And Steph got this guy out here, he about to get a hundred million. So I think for, you know, I always was a fan of Jason Kidd. He's one of my favorite point guards. He always got his guys to max contracts. So it ain't all the way about your number, but the guys, what they can do around you. Steph's done everything you can imagine think of in terms of basketball whether he's got the stats for himself he's got the chips and what he's done for his teammates and on top of magic did it with the lakers in terms of the evaluation the lakers had when he got in look at the evaluation of the warriors when they bought the team with steph

versus right now right it's just it's astronomical so you know everybody wants to try to put different parameters on what makes you great well he's he's checked off every box. Is Steph really a point guard considering that Draymond really runs the offense or is he a two masquerading as a point? Because I think there are a lot of twos. I think Dame Lillard, I think Ja, I think all these guys, Iggy, they're really twos. Okay, I like that. They're really tw tools masquerading. So, this is going to sound off, but it's not. But Draymond's so smart, he just knows where to throw the ball because he knows them two killers are going to catch it and bring it up. So, I don't think his assists are inflated

because most guys don't know where they like the ball, don't know how to get it to him, Yes. When to get it to them. Yes. What play to call. But, you know, Draymond is like the point guard out there. Man, that dribble handoff that Draymond be doing. Where he run the other side and drop that thing off. And then sometimes he'll, like, fake. He's going to hand it off and then go dunk it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he knows how to bounce it. He sees Steph coming. He'll bounce the ball. He knows Steph wanted a certain place. The way he can hit uh clay and they don't never have to break rhythm that's an art that comes from playing with someone for such a long period of time and knowing that person but i will say that David Lee was an all-star yeah

Steph was out there so i do believe like Steph has a great dynamic with his power forward right and if you get a high IQ power forward, they're going to succeed. But when you get a power forward like Draymond, who's probably the top IQ guy in NBA history, like he's in that top 1%, it's a deadly combination. Look, Steph, and this is what I say about athletes, they pretend I don't hear it, I don't care, I don't care.

They do care, and they do hear. And if they don't hear it, they't care. They do care and they do here and if they don't hear it, they got some homeboys that heard it and if the homeboys didn't hear it, they got family members that heard it, but somehow it finds its way to get back and Steph Curry made it a point to be known. I heard what y'all was saying. Don't think I didn't hear now because y'all said I got the other the first one. Okay. Y'all didn't want to give me no credit. Y'all talk about I played bad. Iggy got the MVP. Fine, that's fine.

The next two, I played unbelievable. KD got the MVP. He deserved those MVP. But y'all make it seem like I was like a role player. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so now, no KD. I did this. What y'all want to say now?

What was he like behind the scenes? Because I know he was gloating. I mean, Steph, see, people love Steph. They say, he's so, look at him, little six-foot, six-tooth Steph. He's so cute and cuddly. And he thinking all the time, yeah, I told you, you know what. Draymond opened my eyes one day. And I hope I don't get Draymond in trouble, but Draymond was spot on.

Draymond watches closely. I'm watching closely. Another guy I'm watching closely. People don't really pay attention to his Kavon Looney Kavon 26 years old in the league 12 years. But quiet is kept consistent wise loom might have had a third best year for us. Yeah, you know, Steph Wiggs and you know, poo was nice, but he was little inconsistent because young but consistency loon

was getting four points 18 rebounds yeah so but i'm just saying us three watching and draymond said it one day he said steph like that don't get it twisted steph like that steph like that attention but it's a competitor yeah competitors attention like oh yeah oh y'all y'all think it's a game huh yeah y'all think it's sweet and we always say like guys think stuff sweet and they get on the court and they're like man this light skin dude I'm about to kill him and before they know it now all the guys in the league say the same thing like I didn't know he was that good but man I look up he had 30. and but now guys know it and then he getting the best of everybody every night yeah you know what you heard what uh

my man from west side chicago said patrick beverly i'm getting the right meal i'm in bed by 9 30. i done watched all the film i got a big one tomorrow i gotta go get steph curry every night yeah every night and he keep he keep doing it he he's been doing it yeah and then this year before the injury he we got off to 18 in one start right so it wasn't like it was a fluke like oh we're about to really run it we're about to really run through y'all so right him that he's got that ego in him where he's he wants to all know like i'm really one of them dudes right i want to know the pitch you guys went to sag harbor about four five years ago to recruit this one guy. So when you're on the flight, the private jet going over there,

what are you talking? Okay, who's going to talk first? What are you going to tell him? What are you going to tell him? How do we convince him to come to Golden State and play with a guy that's a two-time MVP, unanimous MVP? Three guys, all four of you guys have all gone to the All-Star game. Draymond was, you know, on the cusp of being Defensive Player of the Year.

Klay is a top-five shooter all-time. So what's the pitch? How do you convince Kevin Durant to come to Golden State and link up with you guys? I mean, we all play ball. We've been playing ball against each other since we were kids. Right. Steph, Klay, no, Steph, myself, and KD, we have been teammates before. each other since we were kids right steph clay no steph myself and

katie we have been teammates before people didn't remember that 2010 world championships we were on the same team right so we got a chance to spend some time with each other practice every day that was one of my favorite basketball trips all of us right and i think what you find out about a lot of basketball players this is my reason to go into going Warriors. I have been in the league 10 years. 10 years is a long time in the league. Yeah. And my whole thing is I want to play basketball and have fun. I just want to have joy.

I want to wake up in the morning, and I want to look forward to going to work. That's all I want to do. And KD was around the same time in his career. Right. And you have seen what he had been going through. We see what Chris Paul go through still to this day. Yes. They're going to try to hold that over Chris Paul's head forever.

Right. And I try to tell people Chris Paul is one of the greatest winners of all time. Right. It just so happens it may not be in the books for you to win a championship. Right. But who's to say that your career is less than thou because you didn't win a chip? Right. You still won at the top at what you do all time.

Right. And you get tired of hearing that noise. You just said it. We all hear it. Yeah. So I think the pitch was, listen, man, you were the best,

you were the best basketball player in the world. Nobody arguing that. And you play your best when you're enjoying the game. We didn't play against KD multiple times. We just played him. We were down 3-1 to him. We came back. And we had been seeing him over the years.

You know, the game, you broke his foot. He had 35 and it was eight minutes to go in the second quarter. Like we know KD, listen, we just want you to come here and have fun, man, whatever you want to do. We gonna, we gonna make sure you have fun and we gonna win. And I think that was the big part of it. Just being a reinsurance that, you know, there's no egos.

Cause you know, that's going to affect the team more than anything. Most people don't understand how the ego affects the team more than anything else. It ain't about X's and O's. It's really the pros and Joes that can't get along. Right. And just everybody feels like they be in value. Right.

It's easy when you got one guy and you got a bunch of other guys. Correct. But Steph at that point in time was equal because he had won back-to-back MVPs. He was already a champion. Kevin Durant had an MVP, but he hadn't won a championship yet. So theoretically, on a pedestal, while you might think that Kevin Durant was the better player, Steph had accomplished more. So now how do you get those guys? And for Steph, I think that Steph was the key because Steph got to be willing to like. to Steph was the key because Steph got to be willing to like, go ahead, KD.

Right. Slide that. Hey, get up out the seat and let KD, because without Steph's blessings, first of all, you're not even on that plane. If Steph says, nah, we're not doing this. We're not doing it. Bob Myers, Steve Curry, like, OK, bro, we good then.

True. And I think what hasn't been spoken enough is that I think Steph took a backseat for, how long was KD there? Three years. Three years. I think Steph took a backseat every year. He did.

I'm talking about stats-wise. Yeah. Numbers rise, attempts-wise. Klay was getting more shots. Klay told you, man, I ain't sacrificing for nobody. But Klay is going to be Klay, and we love Klay. But Steph was the one that sacrificed the most you know how many more threes would he have if katie didn't come along right you know what i'm saying like like

you know and the plus the guy you guys blowing it everybody out just imagine he's playing i mean steph will play like 30 minutes a night exactly exactly and no one talks about you know he never complained never had an issue never talked about his brand you know his brand possibly could have took a hit. Right. You know, he wasn't quite selling as many shoes. Right. You know what I mean?

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every day. Subscribe today and you'll immediately be smarter and funnier than your friends. And who doesn't want that? Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Off the court, Stapp is who he is. He's an interesting individual because he doesn't get outside himself. No matter where he is, he's comfortable in his own skin. And I think that's coming from that background that he had.

Because he and Klay are similar in terms of nothing phases them. They've seen it all. They've seen the hoopla. They had the fathers that played in the NBA, so they kind of know what to expect. Yeah, so nothing really phases them. So they don't really have to go search for attention. You know, they don't have to really look the part for anybody to really accept them. They say, I've been through all this. I've been to a million NBA games before I played my first NBA game.

Right. I just want to go out here and hoop. This is what I love doing. And I think that is one of the blessings that, you know, we don't see as much is that that balance that we have is because those two came from the NBA. And then, you know, other balances that that crazy man on the other end with the fire. It's just an amazing balance. You're right. Like we can just cover every part of every aspect of the picture. And I think that's what makes for a great coach. You guys win. Did you go as a man? Man, I want to win this so bad

because there's so many people I want to say, shut up. You know what? I mean, Clay got up there and says, man, them bums from Memphis, Draymond was going crazy. Steph was talking. Did you guys think about that before you won the title? Like, you know, I want to win. There's some people I want to tell some things. I think, I think it got there once we got to the finals. You know, once I saw the way the playoff picture was mapped out, I was like, whoa, we got a real chance. We just got to take care of business each round. We can't slip up.

Right. Because I think with us, you know, if we lose the wrong game, that's it for us. That's our Achilles heel. We lose the wrong game, and then our confidence waver a little bit. We kind of wacky like that. But I knew if we took care of business through each round, we'd be good.

And then once we got to Dallas and we went up 2-0, and then we should have went up – I think we went up 3-0. Yeah, we went up 3-0. Yeah, so once we got to the finals, I knew Boston was good, and I said, we got to win. If we don't win, it's over. We got to the finals, I knew Boston was good. And I said, we got to win. If we don't win, it's over. We got to win. And I need Wiggs to play at a high, high level.

And Wiggs and I had that conversation. I said, Wiggs, if you play at a high level, I don't even think I got to play. Coach ain't going to put me in. You play at a high level, we're going to win it. And that's exactly what happened. So what are you thinking? You go down 0-1. You go down 2-1.

With game four still in Boston. Right. So what's the mindset of game four? You go down 0-1. You go down 2-1 with game four still in Boston. Right. So what's the mindset of game four? You're down 2-1. You don't want to go, even though you got Steph, a historically generational talent, you don't want to go down 3-1 because the likelihood, it's happened before, you're on a team that got tracked down 3-1.

But you know the odds are not in your favor, running somebody down 3-1. We've been down 2-1 before. Our first championship, Cleveland had us 2-1. 2-1. People forget that. Similar situation, we had home court advantage. So we lose game one.

Game one was kind of funky. Because you had a lead and they came back. Game one was funky. There was a few things that happened in game one. And I'm looking up at the scoreboard and I'm thinking, why the game so close? Something ain't right. Right. Or I'm watching the game and you know you watching too close now you start conspiracy theory like listen man that that I don't know man that that killed that killed our

run right I don't want to say what killed the run but that killed the run that killed the run and it wasn't really what Boston was doing so I'm confident in that sense. Like they, we, we gave the game away and they took it and they, they had to make some shots. They had to make some shots and they shot what? 75% from three late in that second half. It was crazy. So I saw that and I'm like, all right, we good. Now we lose game three, but game three, I was confident. I said, all right, we figured them out. They won game three. They got home. They got the energy. The crowd was incredible. You know, draymond was trying to figure his thing out i'm like draymond figure it out i'm not worried about him we play hard as we can game four with one game four now we're going back home i just need steph to give me a michael jordan finish and it was crazy what steph was really

good and they considered that his bat his worst game right but steph was doing all the intangibles right we have played out of his mind and we can split out his game out his mind who has some big plays. Yeah, game five. He didn't have 20 points. So people don't know the impact of a guy who might only have 11 points pool was a big key to game five. Then I said Steph won't finish them off and then Steph Steph got rid of them boys. You got me. But what is it about you in Memphis because Memphis knocked

you guys out of the play in a couple years ago. Not good about you weren't there. I was fine. I was fine. Oh, you did my but so what is it? What is it? What is it about Memphis? Is it young and they don't know any better? They should leave the elders alone because John's talking Dylan Brooks is talking. I, these guys and the fans have bought into it. You know, they be playing whip that trick. And Draymond had the title. He was like, yeah, we will whip that trick.

So, yeah, we all about that. What is it about Memphis, the Grizzlies, and you guys that causes such an intense rivalry? I think we bring the best out of our opponents. And we've always had a great competitive history with Memphis. When they had Zeebo, when they had Gasol, they had Conley. Yeah. They had Tony Allen.

Right. They had us down 2-1 as well. Right. And it was second round. And I think that was 2015. So they've always played that grit and grind type basketball. And I think this Memphis team now, they're a well-oiled machine right they got a good front office that knows how to pick talent they got a good coach that puts everybody in a

position to succeed it's like you said you got your main guy and it's not like they have others because they got a lot of talent but everyone accepts their role love jaron jackson yeah love him i even love dylan yeah dylan's so crazy that he needs to be crazy to be an nba i always tell people sometimes why is that guy so confident if that guy wasn't that that he needs to be crazy to be an NBA I always tell people sometimes it's why is that guy so confident if that guy wasn't that confident he would not be an NBA right he needs that confidence to be who he is now he might be feast of famine but he needs to be that confident and crazy to be an NBA and they got some other guys on the team yeah people don't give William Zaire's young boy he's gonna be great yeah And Steven Adams is one of the guys who, you know, he just he has that presence out there.

And Kavon Looney was a big part of why we won that series. You know, we switched up the matchups a little bit. And Kavon, you know, he started having a 16, 18 rebounds. I think he might have had a 20, 20. Yeah, it was crazy. So I think they're just a well-oiled machine. had a 20-year rebate. Yeah, it was crazy.

So I think they're just a well-oiled machine. I did say it in one of our scout meetings that they too young to even understand what they're doing. You know what I'm saying? Once you start really understanding the pressure of, I have to win, it changes. I don't think they understand the pressures of having to win, so they just play free, and they play with that confidence, and that's a scary team.

Right. When you guys now, obviously Kevin and rent requested a trade and, you know, Phoenix, the Miami heat were the first two teams on his, on his, on his list.

But there are very few teams that have draft picks and the young talent that the Brooklyn nets, the one team that has the talent, young talent, that can satisfy the Nets and the draft picks is the Warriors. Do you think the Warriors should be willing to revisit the Kevin Durant and give up? It's going to probably cost you Jordan Poole and Kaminga and Moody, maybe Wiseman and some draft picks.

Maybe Andrew Wiggins, maybe they have to move Ben Simmons because you got two rookie guys on the max contract, so both of those guys can't be on the same team. But it's going to cost you three or four of your young, talented guys and some draft picks. Is that something that you believe the Golden State Warriors are interested in or would be willing to be interested in? I think KD has put himself on that tier.

And there's only two or three of those guys. You know, you're looking at Bron, KD, Steph. Putting Steph on there for sure. Giannis. Giannis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Giannis, Giannis for sure. I think when you got guys like that,

and they looking at you, it's like that meme with the dude holding hands with his girl and then you look back and see, I got to look again. It's been one of them situations. You know what I mean? Right. You got to look at it because he's just that good. Right. We've won so much that people don't understand how hard it is

to win a championship, period. I'm talking about any sport. It's one of the hardest things you can do. And then when you start winning so many, people assume that it's just easy. So they looking like, nah, we'll just get another one without such and such. Or we can do, nah, you gotta keep stacking. You gotta win. Every team that's ever won a championship has been the more talented team in the entire

league. And it's just been like that. got to have talent so with that Thailand you gotta look Joe loves the young core he loves he loves he's got this thing you know you know they're thinking light year speed light years ahead that's his moniker and he's like I got a championship group now and I feel like I got a championship group I'm trying to build within it which is you don't see that at all and you know that's kind of but he's you know He's got a look so it's gonna be a difficult decision to make with him You joined the Warriors after playing with the Nuggets What transpired I think with George Karl called you a mole

Not a whole lot of players the former players like George call right boogie cousins had a lot to say I think you said some things about him. What transpired with the Nuggets and then Golden State because if I'm not mistaken, Golden State beat you guys in the playoffs. Right. And then you later joined them that following offseason. We were the third seed.

Gallo goes down with an ACL tear like three games left for the playoffs. Timothy Moss got broke his thumb before the last game of the season. And we just got caught in a buzzsaw. Steph started shooting threes and running down the court before it went in. You know, he just, you know, that's like the coming out party. So it was a great series.

They beat us fair and square. But it was one particular thing that happened where we had an interesting scout report, you know, with Steph and Clay. You know, we just going to rough him up a little bit. You know what I'm saying? And it was getting a little borderline, you know, and. Getting borderline dirty. Yeah. So I was never a fan of I can't stop you, so I'm going to try to rough you up a little bit.

Right. You know, I made the best man win. Right. You know, I feel like I'm the better player. And if you get me today you got me right and uh i remember george carl i mean not george uh mark jackson right you know i'm in front of their bench and he was like yo why y'all trying to hurt my players why are you trying to hurt my players and i'm like coach i don't i don't move like that so you know i just i i don't move like that that was it that was all you said that

was it i don't play like that coach and i think after the game you know mark and i i joke with mark i said mark you threw me under the table he's like how i throw you in the table i said you know after the game mark said you know i'm pretty sure that i got confirmation from one of their players that the sky report was to hurt my guys right and you know we understand how we talk to each other right listen i i'm i'm basketball one-on-one right we're gonna compete you beat me you beat me that's how i move right but everybody in the world know the sky report you just watching right you know our bigs is crashing into the guys they'd be clumsy you know steps they're running into the you know you can see it so that was the sentiments coming out of that and and george didn't have an adjustment

So that was the sentiments coming out of that. And George didn't have an adjustment for them boys and them boys beaters. Right. And typical George. George, going to run with a narrative that. He going to run away from what it was, right? You just got out coached, right? You didn't make any adjustment. So let me look for something else. And he's done it throughout his career.

He wrote a book. He has some things about, you know, young African-American men and his reason for why they aren't as successful under him was because they didn't have fathers. He said some things about some African-American players that I didn't take too kindly of. And we haven't seen George in a while and he's just looking for attention.

So you'll see him on Twitter every other week, just looking for some controversy and just looking to bring his stature back up. just looking for some controversy and just looking, you know, to bring his stature back up. Considering that the Draymond KD, that was a situation. KD wants the ball late in the ballgame. Draymond gets the rebound. Draymond's bringing it up like he's done so many times.

In that situation, KD normally, the guy would give the ball to KD. he busted up the court. Draymond said, hey, I got it this time, just get on down the court, I'm gonna get you a better shot. Whatever happens, happens. They go to the bench. Neither guy's willing to let that situation go. What are you thinking? In certain certain situations you gotta know your teammates right and you know you got certain teammates who in certain situations you can't calm them down you gotta let them just get it out right and then you know i've been in situations where i've had some tense interactions

you know with my teammates or with draymond and And I may understand. All right, let him get it out. Or no, now is the time for me to respond. Now is the time for me to come with this approach. So it's all timing and everything. So that was a wild situation because you don't see that that often. Right. So now you're just assessing, like, how should we move? Because we had never – Draymond, we've seen Draymond

behave in this manner before. We had never seen Kevin Durant get upset publicly at a teammate. So we're like, damn. And then why did he get to this? Okay, I understand that you wanted the ball. He didn't get you the ball, but it's not a big deal. No big deal. And for it to escalate like it did, did anything change?

Because everybody said it didn't change, but it felt like from the outside, it felt like a lot changed, Diggy. I don't think, you know, to be honest, I don't think too much changed. We still got back to the finals. Yeah. And then, you know, it took KD Achilles for us to lose the finals. And KD's, uh, no, Clay's. And Clay tore his ACL in game six. And, you know, you still.

But were they still cool? Were they still playing cards? Were they still laughing and talking and going around? Because something had to, I mean, you know grown men. Now you know how we are here now. You know how we are. We butt head like that. But I think I've seen teammates actually knuckle up. Yeah, of course.

But they cool afterwards. Yeah. We handle like men. We squash and we move forward. Right. And I think we did everything we were supposed to do that year in terms of making sure that we kept that thing tight knit, making sure.

Like, we didn't have too many leaks. But y'all suspended Draymond. It was almost like y'all suspended Draymond to show KD, we got your back. We going to suspend him because we want you to resign. That's what it looked like from the outside of what it looked like to me. Well, we just had a conversation.

When you got that top tier talent, what you gonna do? I mean, not only is it smart financially for the business, but it's smart to get wins. It's smart to try to keep, like... Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do. How you win a championship? You gotta have the best talent.

Who the most talented guy? One of the most talented ever. But at the same time, you know, I think there was faults all around. Right. It wasn't just one guy, you know. Did you have a team meeting? Did you guys ever discuss that? Yeah, we had discussions internally because we all tight with each other.

Right. You know, we boys. We family. We family end of the day. Right. Like, that is bigger than basketball. Right. We family.

Right. So, let's just handle it like family. So, you know, they handled their business and then we kind of, you know, did what we had to basketball. Right. Family. Right. So let's just handle it like family. So, you know, they handled their business, and then we kind of, you know, did what we had to do. Right. So, you know, I think that's what was beautiful coming out of that is that we didn't really have no leaks. You know, we had good days. We had bad days. We talked through it.

And, you know, everybody's tight to this day. But it was a lot coming from that. You know, I think it was tough for some guys, too, too when you don't you still hear noise after you've accomplished things right you know we keep winning and we keep accomplishing things but we just keep getting hit we keep getting attacked right oh we can't solidify that yeah i messed up the league this ain't fair you know you got other guys on other teams you know my best friend everett turner was like yo man this is not cool fam this ain't fair we don't have a chance. And so it's just giving Skip an opportunity. Everybody

just feels... So it's just like, this is really beautiful for the game of basketball. Because we still playing team basketball. We still number one in the league in assists. We still top five in defense. We playing basketball the right way. So it's not like we just cheating. We really executing at a very high level. Human nature.

We hear it. You said it. We hear it. We. And human nature, we hear it. You said it. We hear it, we watch everything. And whether we like it or not, things affect us. And it can determine how we react to the noise. So one guy might react this way, another guy might not react that way. And one guy might be saying one foot in, one foot out,

because he's tired of another noise. Another guy might be saying, I see this guy on the way out. You know, not that that happened, but you just start assuming. And what they say assuming is you're making an ass out of you and me. And then now you got fictional beef, and you don't know where it came from.

It just slowly crept in. And that's one thing we were good at, was keeping that noise out. And I think it just, the noise kind of crept in and just threw us off a little bit. Do you steph will be as accepting of kd a reunion with kd as he was in the beginning considering that they just won a championship because i'm gonna be honest with you i do not believe had you not gotten kd you could have never beaten the cavaliers again after they walked you down 3-1 kairi was on a different level. LeBron was always on that level.

I'm glad you said Kyrie was on another level. He's the one I appreciate. No, no, Kyrie was on another level. Kyrie had arrived. I don't believe, if you don't get KD, I don't believe you can beat the Cavaliers again because they had gained so much confidence from coming back from down 1-3 as opposed to you guys had to have lost confidence

because that was the first time in the history of the NBA Finals someone had came back. So it was almost like it was a match made in heaven. KD needed you guys to solidify his place as a champion. You needed him to continue this run. There it is, Point blank period. I do think we are built. We got the way our cloth is built.

It's something in that DNA that isn't quantifiable in terms of our toughness. Because we've been down before. We've been down 3-1-2. We just went down 3-1-2. Who I felt like was the best team in. Yeah. Who I felt like, who I felt like was the best team in the league. Yeah. I felt like OKC was the best team in the league. They had the most size. They had, Serge was playing his best in his career.

Steven Adams was doing his thing. KD, they got three seven-footers on the front line. Right. And one of them can't be stopped from anywhere on the court. Right. And, you know. And they got Reggie Jack. Reggie was playing well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Deion Waiters was playing well. He was like, they got him on the steal. Right. up well yeah yeah dion waiters was playing well he was like they got him on the steel right russ is being russ you know then they had i think merle was on that team they had some shooters they had thopalosha was one of the top defenders in the league too he's six eight right they were just built to win it and we actually walked them down so there's we got that dna too where we got that confidence so i don't think our confidence wavered we just you know

cleveland came through the bus all situation happened with draymond our top draymond plays game five y'all win the series is over probably because we have don't forget bose went down game bose went down game five i believe he done for the year right so you know and we still had opportunity in in game seven right we were one sub away i talked to steve after the game i would never say it but we were one sub away from winning the championship right so we had the confidence but yeah to have kd i'm taking kd all day every day you yeah i'm i'm i've had a lot of success playing with Kevin Durant 2010 World Championship was his coming out party and then two NBA championships coming out of that

and then I played with him in the Olympics 2012 I'm pretty much undefeated with KD So you believe Steph is open to a reunion with Kevin Durant? I haven't had a conversation with Steph quite honestly He's in a different place now

We've just been enjoying winning the league. I call this money heist. That show on Netflix. Yeah, yeah. Where everybody in the world knows, man. It's just eight people that just keep robbing us of everything. We see them coming. We know they about to come here and get it.

And we can't stop. Right. That's how I summed up this year. We start off 18-1. So, y'all know we here. Y'all know this ain't no fluke. Right? And then we had a little slippage with some injuries and then playoff start and I'm like and we looking like all

this sweet. We like in we gonna we gonna we gonna come get another one. Don't let us come get this right? Because yeah, I know what's gonna happen if we come Draymond gonna be Draymond. We come and get this one. Y'all don't like hearing Draymond. Yeah. Yeah. Draymond say you better let me but Steph, but when you guys got when the when Steph and them got knocked out of the play in Memphis, he said, we had some injuries. He said, but y'all better get us now because y'all don't want to see us next year.

He foretold of what was to come. Yes. And I think my first, it's funny because my first, when I signed with the Warriors 2013, and you do the press conference, you say what you're supposed to say. PC, I'm coming here to try to win a championship. Nobody take you serious. But I'm saying to myself, I think I've met the closest thing to Jesus Christ.

Not to put that on him, but I've never seen an individual. He doesn't stray away from who he is in terms of who he is as a person. So you know what you're get night in, night out. And I can see it. And so I'm thinking I'm about to go try to win a championship. And then we win a couple. And then he comes out and he says, y'all better get this now because we're coming back. I think y'all need to start taking Steph more serious when he's talking.

Because y'all are just so used to him being the baby face killer, this nice kid. Right. You know, his faith is very strong Uh-huh. He that faith is strong. That means he got that faith is real. Yeah, what he's saying he really believing and Thus far it's all come true before you play with him. Did you realize how good Steph was? I mean to watch it from a distance He like damn

man dude making all these shots and Then you get up close to him and you watch him in practice and you see the things that he does before he even stepped foot on the court. Did you realize Steph was this good? Like generational, like transcendent good. Yeah, so when I saw him when he was younger, I saw a deficiency. So I'm the type of basketball mind where I'm just looking for your flaws.

Right. All right, what doesn't he do? And can he get better at what he doesn't do well like can he can he get rid of those deficiencies so early in steph's career steph was thin right he would get beat up and his achilles heel was european guards like the rubios yeah uh navarro from spain we played in the world championships uh drajic scoring drajic so and they were like crafty and thin and they little chippy. So they, you know, they hit you below the belt a few times here and there, and it might throw you off.

And his handle wasn't always this tight. Right. Steph's handle wasn't always tight. He get loose with the ball. He always been loose with the ball with his turnovers. Right. And if you just watch Steph's progression, he's continued to get better. And that's the part people don't see. You know, they don't see us in the 5 a.m. working out, all the weights we pushing. You know, what's my man Harrison from the Steelers? Yeah.

We seen him, but he had been doing that. You know, he just get strong. You're right. Steph was the same way. He just, he ain't just get, like, he had been working and building up. Right. And he's been progressing year in, year out. Like, this year, Luna and I will be on the bench saying, all right, it's a tight game late in the fourth we need Steph to be like MJ we need them to start picking the game apart you know we don't need Steph to shoot a half court three or just pull

up from three we need to get to a midi we need to need a bucket and he started getting to it right he started getting the paint up and under you saw him flipping the ball like he was getting like and that was the thing because early on is that let's run him off the three right and but he wanted to settle now steph going off steph got a got a layup package he got a float game he's not afraid to go in there and mix it up with the big so now with the three the three ball dropping and with his float game he's almost he's unguardable exactly and they all and you've never seen a 6-2 guy 6-3 guy a guy under 6-5 Dominate the game the way you know, we've never seen I mean, I mean small got guards and when I talk about guards I mean magic was

Magic was in the 50s and 60s early 70s magic would have been a 5 4 or 5 right let alone a point guard But you have to go back to AI to look at a guy undersized, dominate the game and Steph, he just took it to a big, but it's long. Cause you see young, you see Isaiah, Stockton had a long run, he just couldn't get over it. Stockton couldn't dominate the game offensively.

I'm just talking about guys who did it for this long. Like AI had his run, but AI only played 12 years in the league, 11 years in the league. And his last few years, you know, he was bouncing around a little bit isaiah had the killies tear his career really didn't last that long so you don't you rarely see guys at that size really do it right for this long and i'm today on a seven eight year run him draymond clay they really ran through the league they disrupted a lot of a lot of things for a lot of guys

i think what happened what helped him is that early on he had the injuries he probably got that bug out of there and so now he's on he's on a stretch now where he's about to be healthy for for a few more years let me get to you you have an older brother correct how did he push you to become a better version of you my my older brother he hates when i say this but he was just he was just terrible i mean he would just punish me so he was always bigger and stronger than me how much older than you he's only a year and nine months okay but he was just that big brother that was just he was like a bully right but as i got older he started seeing how good i was and he started feeding me that confidence i never told

him this he was feeding me confidence I didn't know it. So once I got to my freshman, sophomore year of high school, he wouldn't let me hang out with him. He was like, I'm about to go party. He was like, but you're going to do good in life. You get good grades, and you can hoop. Stay in your room. We'd be going to the same place.

Hey, big bro, I'm going to roll with you. No, you ain't. Stay in the house. I'm like, why you don't rock with me? I'm not getting it. But then as I'm getting older i'm like oh he really said that you know he was kind of right feeding me that confidence and i believe in you before you believe in yourself correct because i didn't know but when you get that confidence like that's what really is taking you over the top right you ran you ran track what were you what was your event i was a high jumper and triple

jumper i was actually supposed to go to college for high jump. OK. The basketball. I didn't play AAU but one year. Right. So basketball wasn't a guarantee until after my junior year I played AAU and had a good summer. But I think I was like top five in the country high

jump my sophomore year. So I was looking at that route too. Triple jump, that was my event. How far you triple jump? Triple jump, I was like 47. I would have got to 50. I didn't do it my senior year. I would have got to 50 feet, but I was like 47, 48 feet. Okay. My junior year.

Okay. That's pretty good. So, my Springfield, Illinois. What's going on? What's Springfield like? Springfield gets mad at me. Isn't that a Lincoln's home? Yeah, linking from there it's funny i'll just watch your first prince of bel-air and uh uncle uncle uh what's uncle jeffrey yeah uh butler jeffrey no butler jeffrey uncle phil phil uncle phil yeah so i'm watching uh

i'm watching um first prince last week i'm starting from the beginning with my wife and uh uncle phil parents come into town and uh he's talking about how he he marched with the panthers you know he listened to margaret king i have a dream speech like he's been around the way he from i think he said it's from baltimore dc but come to find out will finds out he's from this little small town north carolina humbuckin or something like that but he never wanted to identify that he was from there because it was a small town no one really made it out everyone got stuck there and his parents were a little upset with him and you know I have an interesting relationship with Springfield where you know I did read that majority NBA players come from a

town like Springfield 150 000 people a small community you know um you get a basketball community and like high school was big high school basketball was huge so I had idols there but coming from Springfield uh most people get stuck especially the african americans you know we got a lot of great talent but guys don't get the grades and you see a lot of good athletes uh they get to college for a semester they end up right back home at the first semester because they couldn't cut it academically and i went to a to Arizona because I told myself, I gotta get as far away from home as possible because I can't come back.

Because once you get back, you get stuck. You're not leaving again. So it's just that type of relationship. But I always go back and take care of the youth in terms of whether it be jerseys and athletic apparel, iPads, my mom does some great things with the YMCA. There's a ton of talent there. You know, it's just getting them that mindset

that there are other things outside of Springfield. If I were, all you guys went to the University of Arizona, Steve Kerr, Gilbert Arenas, Richard Jefferson, Mike Beebe, Jason Terry, Aaron Gordon, yourself, Channing Fry, Luke Walton. If all you guys play on the same team at the same time, how far are you going in March Madness? First of all, Gilbert Arenas is the best player to come out of Arizona.

Is he? Clear cut, not even close. What? I'm big on Gilbert. Gilbert had everything. Hibachi? Hibachi put 60 on the Lakers in a pair of Dolce and Gabbana's. Y'all remember that one?

I do. I do. We went to Dolce and Gabbana and said, give me some chews that is a high top, and he strapped them on. They made him take them off. He was scuffing up the court. People don't know how good Gilbert Arenas was because, you know, you get all that other stuff.

I have my statement on, you know, Rasheed and Giannis, but I'm saying, like like we talking about straight game and what I've seen these guys do and you know, he this career wasn't as long as it should have been. The injury. But Gilbert was the best player to come out of Arizona. So with that, saying all that, we got a chance to get,

we got a chance to get far, like Final Four championship far. We got a chance. You're in the 2004 NBA draft. If they were to do an NBA, you were selected ninth overall by the Sixers. If they were to do that draft over again, where is Iggy getting drafted? Dwight, that was Dwight Howard. Dwight would have been one for sure.

Yeah. Okafor was two. Ben Gordon was three. Sean Livingston was four. Devin Harris was five. Children's, Atlanta was six. Luol Deng was seven. Rafael Rujo. Yeah. three sean livingston was four devin harris was five children atlanta was six lua all day seven yeah uh where are you going you went ninth i probably would have went like third if you picking off second or third because people forget how good al jefferson was yeah al jefferson went

on the run wait we're in? Yeah, Minnesota. Minnesota? Minnesota, where he was 25 and 10 every single night. Right. You could just pencil it in. And so you could see Charlotte. Him and Millsap were pretty good out there in Utah, too, now. True. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But he had one hand. He only went one way, but he couldn't stop it. Right. So Al might have went two, and then I probably would have went three. Delonte West was also in your draft, and he's kind of falling on hard times have you reached out to him have you talked to delonte have you seen him in in a period of time i haven't i haven't seen delonte you know um but delonte and i had some really good interactions in the uh rookie transition program we were actually in the same group so. So I was able to see the brilliance in him. He's actually a brilliant individual

and it's just tough to see. It's really tough to see, it's really tough to speak about because it's just two sides. We can help him a little bit more, but at the same time, he gotta help himself. So I know Mark Cuban did a beautiful gesture to try to help him out a little bit and he's gonna keep guys trying to help him.

But, you know, we got to meet in the middle. Right. And hopefully we can. AI, what was it like playing with Allen Iverson? Because you were supposed to be AI 2.0. Because they had an AI, original AI, and then you come in. What was playing with AI like? He was like my big brother on the confidence thing.

You know, I never forget I'll be in the games and I'm a rookie. And I wasn't expecting to start out the gate. Right. I wasn't expecting to play that much out the gate. You know, I earned my minutes and I'm playing a lot. But now I'm playing against the guys I looked up to. Right. You know, I think your high school years, you're looking at a lot of college players.

And those guys end up ending the league. Rip Hamilton was one of my favorite players. Right. league rip hamilton was one of my favorite players right rashid wallace was one of my favorite players you know a lot of carolina guys evince carter right was one of my favorite players you know uh antoine jameson so i would see these guys and uh i remember my rip hamilton experience i was just looking at rip hamilton i'm like man he good like he's an all star right and he hadn't been an all-star yet. And A.I. was just, he looked at me and he kind of punched me in the chest and said, you better than him. What's wrong with you? And that's when it clicked, right?

All right, I got you. Right. I got you. And he slowly but surely just kind of start helping me with the smaller things, how to deal with the media, you know, not, you know, enjoy life because they're going to turn on you at some point, which eventually it happened. Right. But he was just preparing me for all those things that I couldn't see coming.

So when it happened, I can reflect and say, all right, he did his job in terms of, you know, helping me grow with the game and things that I would have to deal with that most people don't really want to talk about or bring up. Besides practice, is there any similarities between AI and Steph? Or lack of practice with one and practice with the other? I think

they're really true to who they are. That's a big similarity between them two. They're like opposite ends of the spectrum, but they're very comfortable with who they are. And they don't want to, and they say, I'm not changing for anybody. Steph would say, I'm not changing to be more famous.

I'm not changing to sell myself out, or I'm not changing my faith to endorse this or that. Like he stays true to who he is. A.I. was the same exact way. You know, I'm from where I'm from. These are the boys that grew up with me. They got through the mud with me. These are my guys, they coming with me. You know, why leave them behind I'm from. These are the boys that grew up with me. They got through the mud with me. These are my guys.

They coming with me. Right. You know, while I leave them behind in the mud, I'm bringing them with me. They're going to see the final things in life. I'm not changing who I am or where I came from just because I say so. So I would say that's the similarities of the two. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal.

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Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If Steph ruined the game, because everybody's shooting threes now, Iggy. Everybody can't shoot like Steph. And they turn it, oh, it's a three-point game. And the analytics says, if you make this many threes, it's the equivalent of that many twos. But you got guys that shouldn't be shooting threes, shooting threes, Iggy.

I don't think it's guys. I think all of them shouldn't be shooting threes. But did he ruin the game? I saw a little kid, he made a shot and he went to sleep on the court. I mean, I see WNBA, I see Skylar Diggins did it in WNBA. Congrats to her. Skylar having a great week. Yeah. But the kids going to sleep on the court. Yeah, man. Yeah. I'm taking my belt off. I'm whooping. I couldn't believe I was. Now, I think our coaching has

changed a lot in every sport over the last 15 years because the money's gotten so large. Now we're trying to build professional athletes and we're not coaching them the right way we're not holding them accountable we're not being we're not disciplining the right way i understood what mark jackson was saying when he ruined the game steph didn't ruin the game is that coaches believe everybody can shoot the ball like steph this guy has a god-given ability and he worked on the craft he worked on just don't think you can just go in the gym and start launching threes like oh yeah but steph do it his father was one of the best three point shooters of all time so he'd been working on being a great three-point shooter since he came out the womb correct people not thinking about that hey just go out there and shoot a whole

bunch of threes and we go into the league how was mark jackson the foundation of what the warriors later became even though he didn't see them to the promised land it was almost like and you know not to sound you know sacrilegious or anything when dr king says i have a dream and he didn't get to see a lot of the fruit getting buried in what we have today is that mark jackson you yourself uh clay steph draymond you guys were the foundation piece but what were some of the things that that he developed in you guys that later helped you guys become the four-time champions that you are? I think it's a common theme. It's called confidence.

And we talk about in every sport, everybody that's a professional, it ain't but that much in terms of the top talent versus the bottom. Now, I do think our bottom is getting a little lower. We got to fix the bottom in all our sports. We got to raise the bottom. You raise the bottom, you. I do think our bottom is getting a little lower. We gotta fix the bottom right in all our sports. We gotta raise the bottom right. You raise the bottom. You got a great product right now. You know we just get that guy's creeping in the league that shouldn't be here,

but that confidence thing that Mark put in them is something different because I know some coaches who you know you take a guy like Johnny Flynn who had injuries and and he was he was drafted before Steph right and he you know had he been in a different situation. Hey, he might, had he been in a different situation, hey, he might still be here. Right. So I think, you know, Steph was going to be who he was, but I think he got there with the help of Mark in terms of just feeding him

that confidence every single day. Yeah, when you say I got the best shooting back court in the history of the game. And they killed him. Yeah, they beat him up. You say something crazy right now. Like I say, Giannis, I say Rasheed Wallace would be like Giannis today. Yeah, I think you crazy too. I think you've been in that bottle right there.

Did you see she, she had no flaws. That's all I'm saying. All right, I'm gonna leave it like that. Except, except up here. Like see, he was his modern days Kyrie where they was upset with him because he wouldn't upset, he wouldn't accept you know the way that the league and society says this is how you got to move as a NBA player he's like no I'm gonna do me so he kind of fought the system and they kind of hurt his game right but we go to Mark Jackson and I get his one story we in front of the whole team and this was this is

probably the most powerful moment that I've ever seen and he told Steph, Steph, you're our guy. You're our all-star. You're our best player. You're taking the last shot. We got to make sure your numbers come first. You're going to get your numbers every night. Now, if another point guard come in here and is trying to outplay you

or making it a match about you and him and he's trying to outdo you, I'll take a loss. i'll take a loss i'll take a loss you're gonna win that matchup wow and when mark said that in front of the whole team so ain't okay nobody hate can't nobody be mad the head coach just told y'all who the man is right move out the way and he gonna make sure the man that he's always gonna be the man because he ain't gonna let nobody come in there and show him up and i just made the olympic team so i'm still me right i had no problems with that i said that's the type of coach i want to play for wow

when you get there skid curve asked you to come off the bench you'd better start your whole career right what did that do to your ego start of your whole career. Right. What did that do to your ego? The ego, it didn't really bother me, the ego. It bothered me that I was playing well. And that's when you come up to me.

I was playing well. Right. I was playing well. You know, the way I played in the finals, that's how I started off training camp. Right. Where I'm like, oh, I'm going to have a big year. We're going to make a run. Like, I had some work done on my body in the offseason. Right.

I got it right. Right right i was feeling great and so when he said come off the bench i knew i would have to sacrifice my game right what i just showed through three weeks i was playing well playing a high level i ain't missed in a while i'm feeling myself i'm thinking about making an all-star run right and when you say come off the bench you killed all my personal yeah you know ain't no all-star ain't no personal goals ain't no all the nba ain't no personal goals. Ain't no all-NBA. Ain't none of that. Ain't no all-defense. Ain't no none of that.

And I think that was the hardest part. But Steve went to Arizona, was coached by Coach O. I went to Arizona, was coached by Coach O. It was hard for me to be mad at him because we see basketball the same exact way. Right. So when he's explaining it, we're a better team when you're coming off the bench. Our bench is more dynamic. Right. So when he's explaining it, we're a better team with you coming off the bench. Our bench is more dynamic. Right.

You know, I can bring out Steph. I'm going to leave in Clay. He can get his stuff off. You know, you and Sean can do your thing. We got some explosive scores. We're both coming off the bench. You know, confessors could catch lives. So we're very dynamic.

So I just need you to be a Swiss Army Knight. And so he was 100% right. So it was hard for me to fight it. The hardest part was I knew I wasn't going to have any numbers. I knew when I looked at the stat sheet, it would look like I didn't play good. And every game he would say, you played great tonight. I'm like, Coach, man, I have four points, three rebounds, five assists, three steals, man. I'm trash. But I understood what he was saying. Right. I was a big part of why we won the game, but no one would know. Right. And I just couldn't be mad at it, but it all came to fruition once it really mattered, which was in the finals and the rest is history.

How did your life change? You became the first player to win the award without starting a senior regular season game. The first MVP to not have started every game in the finals. You averaged 16 points, four assists, about six rebounds. You held LeBron to 38% shooting compared to 44% without. How did winning the finals MVP change your life? It didn't really change my life because I move how I move. Like I'm not going. Now people look at you different. Finals MVP, there ain't a whole lot of them. It's true. Now that's one thing I got to work on for myself. Because I'll walk around and say, all right, I want to meet people, whatever.

Like, I don't even know where the trophy's at. You know, I just found my rings the other day. They was underneath the shelf. But I was like, oh, let me put these on the shelf while I stop hiding. So it took me, because I'm still playing. I'm still trying to keep that motivation, like, you know, keep level-headed. But sometimes I got to remind myself of who I am. But I think more than anything, on the business side,

I did my first tech deal right after. And the deal I was trying to get into got rejected. Soon as I went finals MVP, three days later I get an email, I got some room for you in this deal. Wow. That was my favorite part of winning finals MVP. And then from there, now I'm rolling. LeBron. LeBron.

LeBron has probably got, you'd probably be 6-0, you'd probably be 6-1 in the finals if it wasn't for LeBron. Got you in 2016, Miami. Got me in Miami, yeah, yeah, yeah. The block. Tell me what's going through your mind, because you've got to lay up. I mean, Steph bounced past it to you. You've got to lay up.

You know y'all about to go up two points. Right. And at that point in time, because points had become so hard to come by, that might have been the deficit. The final score of the game might have been you guys win by two. For sure. And you go up. You lay the ball up.

You just, oh, yeah. Okay. JR makes you clutch. You bring it back up. Hey, I'm right there. I'm free and clear. Mm-hmm. So, when Steph, I got the rebound, pushed it. I probably should have kept going. But I hit Steph to do two-on-one. Right. Like we do practice drills every day.

And then he bounces it back. I'm like dunk on his head. When I go up, he, he do my strip to where he would have stripped it if I would have dunked it. Right. So I had to move it. Right. And now I'm like, man, what'd just say, man, and we ain't nobody scoring. Right, man. Just put the ball, just lay it right there and don't try to do nothing stupid. Right. Lay it in. And it was one of the loudest, the loudest sounds I ever heard. Boom.

And when it happened, I kind of I was like, damn, I was like, yo, that was the was the loudest i'm like what just happened i i didn't even know he blocked it but i heard boom and i was like man that was cold i i was really it was like a fan moment i was like man that was beautiful yeah i was talking about george in terms of you know your your opponent get the rest of you when he blocked the shot i'm like god dang that was amazing like i had that energy, right? You know, and then for everything that come out of it. You always got to hear about it. Whenever they're wherever you have

success. Somebody gonna remind you of did you know he was that close? I wasn't surprised because if y'all notice the bronze always been chased down block. Yeah, and I think somewhere they had a code name for it where all the brown wanted you to do as his teammate was just run in front of the ball and just run through the offensive player just run through him and make him make him do something. Make him give me a split second. I'm coming

to clean it up. Right? Like that's been their thing. So J. R. Did what exactly it was like a setup. It's like throwing out you right? I'm gonna set him up and Brian coming and like I said, I could have tried to dunk it but I'm like I was too far man. Just put the ball in the hole and he came out nowhere and just made it incredible play. Then I'm thinking like maybe I should have tried to dunk it, but I'm like, I was too far. Man, just put the ball in the hole, and he came out of nowhere and just made an incredible play. And then I'm thinking, like, maybe I should have went to the other side. He had the other side covered, too. It was just

an amazing play, and, you know, I've done many articles about it, and people expect me to have some type of, you know, ill feelings. I'm like, man, that's one of the best things I ever heard. I heard it. I didn't see it. I heard it. Coach K compared you to Scottie Pippen. Do you like that

comparison? Well, I'm from Illinois, so you grew up watching Scottie. Scottie was my guy. Scottie's still my guy to this day. I played golf with Scottie right before the pandemic. Like, Scottie's my guy, so, you know, I played point guard growing up, and they called me Lil' Penny, and they called me Lil'

Scottie, so I was just used to hearing that my whole basketball career. I'm trying to figure out who's going to retire first. UD, Udonis, you played with UD. He's 42. Iggy, 18 years, 38. Mello, 38. Ron, 37. P.J. Tucker, 37.

Chris Paul. Who's going to retire first? Ah, man. If I had to bet on it. Probably me. Because like I said, I got some things going on in the basketball starting it. Ball feel like it's in the interfering.

I got it, you know, because I got some real goals and you know, like we talked about overall life goals, right? And you never knew you never know where life takes you and you get opportunities to do certain things you got to take advantage of. You trying to be Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk somebody, huh? Yeah, I'm trying to do some things, man. Because nobody like us has ever done it. Right.

You know what I mean? You got Robert Smith out there. Yes. Who I'm a huge fan of. You know, I think MJ did it the right way. Magic did it the right way. LeBron's doing it the right way. Yes.

You know, but they're figures who have, you know, they're the top at what they do of all time. So for me, I feel like I got to really be businessman to have success in that space. So I can't go into a room and I'm Andre Goddard. Like, I can't go and say I'm Andre Goddard, let me in. I'm LeBron. I'm not Michael Jordan.

I can't do that. So for me, I'm really tied in. I do my studying on my own. I'm going through my own school in terms of making sure I'm reading the right things. I got to be up to date. I got to know what's going on with the markets. I got to know what's going on in the private sector and all those things. So that's where my mind's been taking me.

So is that what you do? When you go, OK, I'm thinking about maybe investing in this company, you read as much material information as you possibly can because that's your money. Right. I mean, that's my bread. And, you know, I ain't really trying to lose it. So I'm going to make sure I know everything there is to know about this company before I put my hard-earned money into it. And I think you're building a track record, too.

I think that's the biggest thing. You know, data is all about your history. Right. What can you learn from historical events that prepare you for the future? And then how can you bet on the future? And you see things before other people see it. And now you're monetizing that. That's all capitalism is, is just having information other people don't have before they have it.

And I think when you build that track record with your own money, now you can become a bank. Now you can become a private equity group. Here's my track record. I've invested in 80 companies. Here's my ARR, my annual rate of returns. Here's how much money I made off that money. And then here's the deals I've gotten into. And here's my expertise on board seats.

And this is how I can help a company grow. And then these are the sectors I'm in. I'm in FinTech, I'm in SaaS software, prop tech, health tech, and consumer marketplaces. So just giving people, like I really have to prove to people that I know this space and I'm an actual businessman So that's how you've been build a fund and then obviously, you know, you got different funds with different

The way they charge fees carries, you know, two and twenty and you know, you build in billion dollar funds That's what's a general generational wealth is and that's how you're able to acquire a team and then once you acquire a team is you know You know, they're building arena cities now and now you're building a city around your arena so that's how you build generation is that what you are is that is that what you're angling for you want to own an nba team you want to be an ownership oh 100 and i think you know um being around pat riley was big for me and then being able to i read his book uh winter within and i I read Blood in the Garden, which was on the Knicks in the 90s. Beautiful book. And it talks about how Pat got his ownership shares with the Miami Heat.

Yeah. Going into that situation, coming from New York and how he leveraged the situations to get ownership and then how he set up. But, you know, Pat just didn't leverage it. He really produced in terms of what he did to the heat. Like he really built that franchise and they're known as they separated themselves from everyone else in the league in terms of how they build their culture and how they they maximize their talent every single year. Like if they got a bad group guys in terms of talent,

they still find a way to make it to the playoffs, right? You know, you always overachieve and being there seeing how he works and it's like, you know, you take the most out of every situation. I took that from that situation. Iggy. Yes, sir. Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you.

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