Club Shay Shay - Best of 2020

Episode Date: December 28, 2020

In this special year-end episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon takes a look back at the most memorable moments of the podcast in 2020.Club Shay Shay welcomed in 14 guests in this unprecedented year, each one stopping by for an extended conversation on the biggest headlines of the year and sharing their own life stories to inspire our VIP members.A big thank you to Sterling Sharpe, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Snoop Dogg, Chris Bosh, Ice Cube, Ken Griffey Jr., Michael Eric Dyson, Isiah Thomas, J.B. Smoove, LaVar Ball, Morris Chestnut, Gilbert Arenas, Roy Jones Jr. and Tony Dungy.Wishing you all a very happy new year, and see you in 2021! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to a special year-end edition of Club Che Che. Since launching this podcast in September, I've been able to sit down with several talented athletes, musicians, inspirational guests for a drink and conversation. This episode featured the best segments of those discussions from Isaiah Thomas's reaction to MJ's comment in the last dance, Snoop Dogg's top five Lakers of all time. You'll hear all the noteworthy stories and takes from Club Shea Shea. Thanks for listening to Club Shea Shea in 2020. I hope you enjoyed this look back at the podcast's best moments of the year. See you in 2021. So pay the price, want a slice, got the rolling dice. That's why all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Snoop, we look at it and 2020 got off to a terrible start because we got some news on a Sunday, the last Sunday in January, that the beloved Kobe Bryant had tragically lost his life in a helicopter accident. Where were you when you got the news and what went through your mind? I was in a hotel room somewhere and when I got the news, I'm like, man, this ain't, I ain't trying to hear that. We naturally was trying to throw it out like this ain't true.

Nah, I don't see it, I don't believe it. And it ain't true. And then it started like coming on my timeline and i turned the tv on and they started showing the the debris and all of the like the stuff that i didn't want to see and they then they went from you know him to his daughter and that's when i was like oh my god like that that broke me in half like just to hear that You know I'm saying that just broke me all the way in half and I couldn't even move for a minute. I was stuck because You just think about what he was doing And what he was accomplishing and how him and his daughter was showing up everywhere and how he was speaking out for the women basketball

He was doing Good with his life after basketball Right he was doing so good with his life after basketball. I live right an exit away. I mean, literally, I can see the area where, from my house, if I stand on my roof, I can see further enough, I can see almost in the vicinity of where Kobe crashed at from my house. And, let me tell you something crazy.

That morning, we were in the process of building our new home, but we were still at our house, our old house, which is five, six blocks away. So we woke up that morning, had plans to come over to the new house and talk to the concrete guy about the driveway. So we wake up in the morning and I said, God damn. I said, baby, I don't think I've ever seen it this foggy in my life. And it was a weird, like, I don't know what it is, man, but it was a weird, eerie, kind of like fogginess outside. It was that bad. It was that bad, Shannon. I was like, God,

dang, it's cloudy. It's foggy outside. And my wife said, wow, yeah, because we live our old house is on a hill, and we could see the mountains. We could see the mountains, all the mountains, and we couldn't see nothing. You couldn't see nothing.

I was like, I can't even see the mountains, all the mountains, and we couldn't see nothing. You couldn't see nothing. You couldn't see nothing. I was like, I can't even see the mountains at all. I only see four rows of houses, blocks, and I couldn't see nothing else past that. Right. When we come over here to meet the concrete guy, we're standing in the driveway, and we're talking. And we're like, you know, so how are we going to do this? And all of a sudden we heard, right? And we all look around like, what was that? It was a helicopter flew over our house. And Shannon, I'm going to tell you something. It was flying so low and was

so loud. And all I can say was, man, that helicopter is loud and we saw it go over us. We was like, damn, right? So this is crazy. So we leave the concrete guy. You talk about this time span is like 15 minutes. We leave 10, 15 minutes. We leave and go to

Rouse, the shopping center. By the time we parked, right? It's like two blocks away, the R center. By the time we parked, right, this was like two blocks away, the Rouse, go around the corner and I sat in the car and then my wife went in Rouse. So when she walked out the car, my buddy Shannon, you know

Shannon Smith, played basketball. So Shannon texted me and said, hey, I just heard something that came across the news saying that Kobe's helicopter crashed i'm like yo my heart jumped out my chest man i said yo yo and my wife is still in the store so i got out the car and stood in the parking lot like i'm looking around like does anybody else know what the fuck just happened i'm looking around and this one dude came by with a

shopping cart he had a i think he had a Lakers jersey on. He said, yo, man, did you hear? I think I just heard on my little earpiece that someone said it was a helicopter crash and I think Kobe was on it. I'm like, holy shit, man. All I think about was was that his helicopter

or was that someone going to the site? Because it was so foggy. It was so foggy. It was so foggy. Like, this helicopter was literally, I mean, it was flying low enough where it's almost like it was trying to see where it was going.

And you can't see when you're up there. You can only see, when you can see, you can see. You know what I mean? You can't. And I was like, and I was just going by the timeline. I said, man, I wonder was that

someone rushing to their aid? I didn't know. Because all I know was it was almost surprising how loud and low it was. Because they don't normally fly that low.

And you only fly that low if you're trying to see right it was that far deep shannon and it gave me a it hurt me man i was like yo and once i heard and i knew i knew i knew exactly the area once they said this the exit i said oh baby it's right here it's like right there this happened and i'm weird man there's people who want to go down there i said man i can't i can't look at pain like that because i know it's a terrible thing to happen man and this is a icon of los angeles man this is respect this man's you know his daughter's on the flight it's other friends and family man it's like respect what happened you know i mean just don't go down there and make it a spectacle right last thing i would want to do

is go down there and you know standing there and all of a sudden people recognize you and they and then it goes away from that to let me get a picture with you right i wouldn't want to go down there and take the you know these people got a job to do and try to rescue people or whatever's happening and you can't be that insensitive right and getting away or you know and i mean literally i could i could ride my bike there it's that close right it was terrible man so this is big for la this is what needed to be done they needed to win this to complete the story chris i hate to bring bring this up but um january 22nd 2006 you happen to be on that team in which uh kobe rest his soul again yeah dropped 81 everybody talks about jaylen rose and you gotta get and you don't ever mention it so you've done a great job i'm like hey ain't

nobody doesn't anyone remember that i was on that squad so i ain't gonna break it up i brought it up a couple times you know just a just a couple times. Not a lot. It's more like a trivia thing. And then people say, oh, that is you. Oh, you can watch the game. And maybe not even though it's me because I look a little different. I was pretty young. I think I was like 22. Yeah.

22, 23 at the time. Yeah, that was embarrassing, man. So what do you remember about that game? And then when he got it going, did you ever think he would get to that plateau? No, I didn't. Okay, so, like, all I remember, I just, like, I remember halftime. And a lot of people don't know, but he scored 55 points in the second half. Right.

That's, like, the stat that's's like – that's the staggering stat. That's what swept up under the rug because they think – You know what I mean? They think it was like, okay, 40, 40. Nah, he had 55. You know, I just remember we were up. We weren't a very good team at the time. But you were up big on him.

We were up big. We were up about 14, 16 points. And on the road, we're feeling great. He's got 26 points, right? So I'm like, ah, you know, hey, Kobe can have 50. Don't matter. As long as we win by, you know. Man, I just remember he came out.

It's like he couldn't miss. I don't know. It's like you just start watching him play. Because he started doing stuff you never see anybody do nobody was pulling up for three steph curry started pulling up for threes again nobody saw that back then he was pulling up from that far you know and and the game the second half just started just start the second half he just come out shoot it okay he hits like four threes in a row, if I remember correctly. And that's like 12 points.

And then he just started hitting everything. And we were bad defensively already. So it wasn't like there was a bunch of resistance. So it was like, it was that perfect storm of he hit every three, he hit every shot and he shot a lot of free throws right so it was really the perfect storm oh it was the perfect storm man he he gave it to us man and that was uh that was a tough one man that was and it was kind of like i just remember running back and forth just like yeah this can't be real you kind of get stuck in a dream on right you know like can we stop this i don't know he he just hit this fade away from over there. I've never seen that before.

You just kind of get like, no way. Bop. Like, God dang, this dude is killing. So the horn goes off, and you look up, and it says, and he has 81. And you're like, is that a misprint? Ain't no way this man had 81 points in big hey shan i didn't even have to look i just walked off i knew i knew what he had his last two free throw

free throw and then they took him out and i said man let's just get off the court let's just get Will this debate about who's the goat ever in between LeBron and Jordan, or who's your goat? How do we determine that? Well, we're never going to be able to determine it. That's why we got to keep talking about it, because you never can go back into that era and be like, yo, this is what I'm going to do. It's what people did in those eras. You know what? It's who you grow up on.

I mean, to do the stuff that LeBron does, nobody's been that big and strong. It's like saying, okay, Karl Malone, I need you to go out there and play point. That ain't going to never happen because they don't have the skills like that. It's the same thing. Magic, you big, but you ain't 260 like LeBron and you ain't jumping like that. Now, as far as that player build like that, he's a monster, but you ain't 260 like LeBron, and you ain't jumping like that. Now, as far as that player build like that, he's a monster. But the greatest of all time is how do you measure that? You measure that by your victories and what you did in those victories. I ain't talking about you got 12 rings and you've been on five different teams.

I'm talking about a dude who went to the finals who was the main guy six times in a row. And if you can't beat that, when you have losses on your record, you can't beat the greatest of all time. That dude ain't got no losses in the finals. So it's always going to be Michael Jordan until my boys succeed that, which is going to happen. Well, first of all, you can't just say it's all about the finals, LeVar,

because they did play finals in the season that he didn't go to the finals. What about that? Well, like I said, the finals, if you don't get there, you're off the hook. Well, you're not off the hook. So in other words, see what you did? You don't go to the finals. But when you go to the finals, you got to lose one. No. No.

All the years. He's the best from the West. You got to lose one. Nobody lose not one. He ain't beat nobody. Well, you can call nobody if you want to. Whoever out there, I see somebody. You play a little basketball. LeBron James or Michael Jordan?

I think the Eric. Let me say this, OK? No, no. I'm going to give you the break now. OK. love lebron right yeah but one thing about michael jordan he gonna come out there every night to try to kill you every night right lebron be seeming like he's kind of playing kind of national lines sometimes which I don't like but Michael I mean LeBron James I'm gonna I'm gonna choose if they played against each other LeBron James to is too big and strong and too fast.

But if I had to choose one, I'm going to choose Michael Jordan. The reason why is because I got to go with somebody that's going to go out there and give it their all every night. Well, maybe LeBron is giving it his all. He's just making it look easy. No, he's not. No, he's not. Hold on, Floyd. That's what people said about you.

You made it look so easy that you make it seem like you were fighting bombs. No, it's not that. Because I told him. There's a difference between being talented and God-gifted. Right. You know, I'm God-gifted. So, at the end of the day, this is the reason why. Every time Mike go out there,

every time LeBron, when the clock is ticking, LeBron don't supposed to pass it. He's supposed to shoot it. And that's- No! You got to make the right play. Guess what?

What? LeBron James is selling shoes not because he's passing the ball, because he's going for the, because he's supposed to go for the kill look here every see Floyd this is where you and I and a lot of people disagree

we gonna agree to disagree come on let's talk about this come on I believe if you make the right play the right play if the right play. Okay, so if I could pass the ball to a guy. You remember that double nickel game? Michael Jordan, I think it was like five or six days after he came back out of retirement.

He had a double nickel game. He had it going. But the game-winning shot came on a pass from Michael. I mean, I just see Michael Jordan pass it to Steve Kirk. I'm not saying I'm not saying LeBron gotta take every shot. Yeah! I ain't saying he gotta be a Kobe Bryant.

I ain't saying he gotta take every shot. But it's I mean, I like to see our brother drop, even if you ain't if you don't fly, you gonna make it. At least attack the basket, at least. Because we know you super strong.

Right. But, I mean, that's just me. I got the killer instinct in me. If LeBron was hanging around me, LeBron, you're supposed to be hanging around me from the beginning. If you hang around me from the beginning, man, your mentality would be totally different. You believe so? You believe you rubbed out money?

If he had been with me, his mentality would just be totally different. Your mental would be, when you get with me, when an athlete get with me, your mental is just totally different. Even like Isaiah Thomas. When Isaiah Thomas was playing, when he was communicating with me every day, he was hanging with me every day. He got the starting job in the NBA, and he went to the All-Star game.

Once he stopped kicking it with me and hanging with me and listening to me, things kind of changed. And why you got to stick with me. You had great success. You go to the playoffs. You play, I think you played LeBron twice in your three-year run when you made the playoffs, right?

I played him one healthy one and then half a hurt one. Okay. And that was kind of like his coming out party. Because that series, he just goes off. Yeah. Obviously, you were in the league when he got drafted. Did you ever think watching him then that he would be where he is now?

Yes. I remember I made a comment to one of my teammates, and I said, this is 2000, things like 2004, 2005 season. I said, he's going to go down as top three greatest of all time and never taps into his real, real ability. As I said, because he doesn't have to. That's how dominant this man is going to be, that he's never going to have to tap into 100% of what is in that body. Because I watched something that I didn't see,

and it came from an 18, 19-year-old kid. As I wrote it on my Instagram where I'm at the house, we're playing cards, and him and Savannah, they're sitting there. You know, you got Richie, you know, all of them. Same crew he has. Same team. Same team.

And he's sitting there just like just watching sports like i mean when i say what detail like watching every knowing everything knowing that this this girl soccer who's the best player who should win like it was like a i'm like playing cards but watching and it was a computer it was a computer and It was a computer. And then the following year when we was playing them in the playoffs, went over there. Because, you know, it's chess now. I want to see what's going on.

You know, I'm going to peek under the hood. Y'all playing cards? Let's play some cards. Right. You know, they over there breaking down plays. You know, this, that. You know, got the film. I'm watching our plays.

Damn, man. Motherfuckers know everything over here huh man i guess okay i can see what's going on and and i'm watching this man just study study study understanding so what everybody's hearing now i knew then that you know he knows everything that's going on on that court. He knows what everyone's supposed to be. He knows if the play is real, if the play is fake. He knows exactly what is expiring all through that game. Gil, why do you think it's so hard for the older guard to give this man the credit that he deserves? for the older guard to give this man the credit that he deserves.

I mean, you see so many people where he's not top 10 or he's not this and he did this. It's always, no matter what he does, it always goes back to, well, but he couldn't have played in my generation or he couldn't have done this or everybody's afraid of LeBron. Instead of saying the man is great, he'd be great in any generation because I don't know how many in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, 6'9", 260-pound guys could handle the ball, could do what he could do. Because everyone takes evolution out of it.

No one wants to believe. Everyone believed that their era was the golden era. If you go down the line, look at rap. They don't like the new wave. The wave before that, they didn't like that wave. That's just, you know, Rand Max reflects. He didn't like the Jay-Z era. It's just the competitiveness of it.

You know, even though it's like well dennis rodman i mean you was a great defensive player you did this but you were you were six seven to ten right bro those are point guards now yes you know we're we're we're bigger we're stronger we're faster you know that's just how but you i mean you're gonna have your your guys that that no matter where you drop the man you drop magic johnson in he's still he's still a six nine point guard that's still not in this era you know so you're gonna you still got your michael jordan right you you know so you got guys who can go through from older eras into – but there's some guys who shouldn't be talking. Right. You know, you're 6'4", and you was a sinner.

Let that go. Let that dream go. You know, so I just think that they can't accept the fact that, no, it's a different game. But today, we're 100 times more skilled because of rule change, because of evolution than you guys were. That's just how it is. I've heard you on several occasions. He prays on LeBron James.

How impressive is what he's doing at the age of 35 in year 17 with all the miles, with all the minutes, with all the playoff games, with all the games under his belt. He's still playing as if he's the best player, which I do believe that he is still currently the best player in the NBA. How is he doing this? We have never seen in the NBA a player like LeBron James. And he breaks a record every single night just to remind you that you've never seen this before right some people will some people will have a record and they're dominating one category but this dude is dominating he's in the top 10 Shannon in in sense of the word. That's never happened from the guard position or the

wing position in our sport. When it's all said and done, it's going to be hard for people to look back 10 years from now and say, he wasn't the best because you can have your emotional best right right but what this guy's doing and what he's been doing I'll put you this way um in football right remember when you first saw Bo Jackson yes I do okay and imagine if Bo Jackson would have stayed healthy he'll kept getting better right LeBron James and there's never been a freak in football there's been similar but they never been a freak like Bo Jackson no No. Well, we got a freak in basketball and I ain't talking about the Greek one. I'm talking about the American and LeBron James. We have never seen

this type of athlete body performance consistency from a guy this long. Just haven't seen it. from a guy this long. Just haven't seen it. Did you watch the last dance? Yeah, I watched it. I watched it with great fascination and I watched it with great disappointment. Because you heard a lot of the guys chime in and say, well, Isaiah did it to himself

and nobody wanted to play with Isaiah. But I've heard so many of these other players say, you don't have to be the best of friends if the common goal is about winning. Well, the common goal was about winning the gold medal. Well, if the common goal is about winning the gold medal, who cares if you're best friend with Isaiah? Hey, you know what?

I agree with you. I'm just using what they say. I'm just using what they say. they say you do not have to be best friends with a teammate you don't have to go out to dinner we don't have to go to the movies we ain't got to bring our wives and kids together all we're trying to do is win a title so you mean to tell me even though you might not have liked isaiah you couldn't set that aside to win a gold medal so now it matters if you get along whereas before you're telling me as long as you win a championship, because it's hard for me to believe. I know I played a team sport. Everybody

on a 53, three man roster ain't friends and they ain't friendly. So this notion that you need to be best of friends, hold on. Y'all ain't look like y'all all hanging out. Oh, you know, we going overseas. And so everybody's out every night together. I'm sure you're going to have your wife and kids. Y'all probably would have been touring Barcelona and doing your thing. Just like everybody else was doing their thing. I don't, that's, that's one of the problems that I have. Because I followed the game for a long, long time, Isaiah.

And I say, I don't care what y'all tell me. Isaiah was one of the 12 best players in the NBA at the time. Well, he ain't the all-time assist leader. I say John Stockton wasn't at that time either. He became that. I'm talking about at that moment, when they're making that selection, Isaiah Thomas was one of the best players. And you can't convince me otherwise.

His resume says so. But they let personal feelings get involved in this, Isaiah. Well, after watching Last Dance, it just, you know, and we won't dance around it here. Well, don't dance around it then. Let's get to it. It seems like there was only one person that had a problem with it. Right. And that was Jordan.

Now, I didn't, at that time, I didn't realize. And even even until I watched the last dance, I didn't realize that he felt the way he felt about me. Because, again, Shannon, I I had never had no no, you know, bad words with him or anything like that. We we played, you know, his team won and my team won. We went home, they went home. Again, we didn't have the internet. And as you can see, what I saw in terms of the Chicago Bulls, you know, all night life wasn't as good as that.

So we were, you know, we weren't, you know, that's not how we and I got down, you know. Right. So most of, and when I look at that dream team, right, I had, I mean, we knew each other. But the only person that I really knew on the dream team was Magic in terms of a personal relationship. Because, again, you know know i was in school you know i was i was married i was doing my thing i wasn't you know i wasn't i wasn't hanging out like trying to be friends and all that stuff right so there's nothing so and so you believe you believe

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there was Sandra Bland, there was Tamir Rice, there was Trayvon Martin. There have been so many. Why did this resonate so much, not only in the black community, but seem to grip America? Well, you know, we as a people never accepted slavery. Correct. We never went for that. You know, I don't care what they tell you. That was never cool with us, and we were never down with it. We tolerated it.

We lived under it, but we didn't accept it. No, we had to, you know, to survive. Right. And so when one of us would get out of hand, they would pull everybody around to watch the discipline take place. And we've seen that in movies countless times. Correct. This was a replay of that.

Seeing this man begging for his life, even to his mama. And so to have a man on top of him with his hand in his pocket, looking right at the camera, let us all know that our life means nothing. And that's unacceptable in 2020. It was unacceptable back then, but we couldn't do nothing about it. Now we can do something about it and we're not going for it. And, you know, I always said the country has got to change or we will change it. And that's what's happening right now. We're in the process

of changing it and it's going to happen. And so, you know, that's why now is the time. Why is it so hard for those outside of our communities to hear our cries, to see us as human, not less than? Why is it so hard for people to accept that there's something wrong in America and we want changes? Why is it so hard for them to accept that there's something wrong in America and we want changes. Why is it so hard for them to see that? Well, I mean, it's not happening to them. Usually people are really concerned about their own situation, their own family. It's not easy for the average

white American today. So he maybe feels or she maybe feels like, hey, this is part of it. You know, this is part of the struggle of pull yourself up by your bootstraps. But if they realize we've never even had a pair of boots to pull ourselves up by, so to speak, as a community. And even when we tried to prosper, it was stomped out in, you know, different places across the country, like Tulsa, you know, and Rosewood, other communities that we know about and hear about, and the ones that we haven't heard about. So, you know, our progress is sabotaged in a lot of ways.

It's systematically fixed where, you know, that's why they're so surprised when one of us get through and get ahead. And don't count me and you. We go through the path that's of least resistance, which is entertainment and sports. Right. You know, we got to look at, you know, how many people, you know, are not Ice Cube and Shannon Sharp and how can they get through. So, you know, just to end that i just

think it's people just look at their own situations and if it's not happening to them it's hard for them to understand now what role does the athlete play and i commend any athlete that's willing to use their platform and speak up but that's not what they signed up for. Guys that went into civil service, guys that went in to be a politician, the Chuck Schumers, the Nancy Pelosi's, the Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, Tim Scott, that's what you signed up for. But it seems to me it's always been the athlete

that's normally been at the forefront of these movements. Especially ours, African-American people. I mean, other athletes have been credible and on the front lines, but for Black people, it's because when we didn't have Black politicians, we had Black musicians and we had Black athletes. Before we had William Dawson or Adam Clayton Powell, we had Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong. Cal Basie. Cal Basie. And so we were, those athletes, right? We had Joe Louis. We didn't

have no United States Senator in the Senate when Joe Louis was fighting. Jackie Robinson was playing, but Jackie Robinson was a Senator and Joe Lewis was an ambassador and a congressperson, if you will, for our interests, for the Black community. So they were our mouthpieces. They were our vocal, articulate spokespeople to try to defend us, to try to stand up and speak for us. So when Sam Cooke or Aretha Franklin or, you know, Ray Charles came along, even as we were gaining a burgeoning political power, they were the voice pieces because white people admired them and they were able to seize the authority to articulate our viewpoints and represent our interests because white people

loved and admired them. So that's why we've turned to them. Even after we've gotten political representation, we still depend upon conscientious, you know, entertainers and athletes to articulate our noble ideals and aspirations. Doc, you know what I've noticed is that if a black man or woman becomes successful and they speak about, speak out against inequality or racial and social injustice and things of systemic racism, they like you made it. Why are you complaining? But when whites, our counterparts try to help their community, they never say, well, why are you complaining? If Jeff Bezos were to give two billion dollars to help causes for his community, nobody would say a word. But if LeBron James speaks out, shut up and dribble, stick to basketball, stick to sports, why do you care?

Trade places. What is that about? I mean, it's about white supremacy. It's about white privilege. It's about failing to understand white complicity. It's about refusing to acknowledge the double standard. And again, it's failing to acknowledge the double standard. And again, it's failing to acknowledge that those athletes had to speak up and out in the past in order for

any interest of Black people to be expressed or articulated. And so, yeah, you're right. Be grateful. Why is Michelle Obama mad? This country gave you the ability to make a living. It gave you one too. It gave you ability to steal my stuff. It gave you ability to loot and rob and be thieves of black opportunity and upward mobility. So yeah, you're right. They never asked them that question. If they help their neighborhoods, oh, they're being looked. Despite the fact that they're rich, they're reaching back. Despite the fact that they have tremendous money, they're speaking out.

Look, when Donald Trump was speaking up and speaking out, nobody said he's a billionaire. Why is he talking about the working class white people? They said, thank God we finally got somebody speaking for us. So a white billionaire who really, in truth, doesn't give a darn, a fly in flip about poor white people is seen as their hero. their hero, but LeBron James can't even speak up for his people and be seen as a person who identifies with his people. That's the double standard that continues to prevail in this country. So you believe the athlete is really important in this movement for equality and injustice. And LeBron has his referendum that he's trying to register people to vote and get people to vote and understand your vote is that your vote matter.

Because for the longest time, doc, I was one of those. My vote doesn't matter. It does matter. Because when you get five, six, seven million people saying my vote matters, well, that's just not one vote. That's five or six million people voting. And it does matter.

It does matter big time. And God bless you. I'm glad you changed your mind. That's the kind of great man you are. You can admit that you were wrong. People died for that vote. People shed blood for that vote. People got hit in the face for that vote. John Lewis got beat down for that vote. So yeah, let's be real here. Who are the three guys probably in the conversation for the GOAT? Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, right? I know who your GOAT is. Yep.

But when you put social conscience on the platform, when you put outspokenness like that, and I love Jordan and Kobe. That's my – Kobe, you know my feeling about Kobe. Yeah, Kobe, your guy. Like this. If you're going to put it all together, LeBron had been the GOAT. LeBron the stallion. He the horse. He the pig, the cow, the dog.

He the farm. I mean dog. It ain't even no comparison for what that man has done. And so, you know, the comparison to anybody when standing up against him is, to me, feeble. And so, I mean, Jabbar was great. Jim Brown was great. But to have that peak performance, 35 years old, 17 years in the league, still playing like you five years in, still in incredible shape, still should be the MVP. I don't care what nobody says. Still playing the greatest,

incredible. And you love black people without apology or excuse. Bruh, there's nobody near you. And so I think we need him. When LeBron sat down and said this, I don't know. Black people are scared. Black women, black men, black kids. He said, we're terrified. We don't know if that guy got up on the right side of the bed, the wrong side of the bed, that cop. We don't know if that cop had a horrible argument with his kid and went out the house steaming. he said, or if the cop basically said, this is the day I'm going to end one of their lives. He said, this is how it feels. Now, LeBron ain't got no access to these people. He don't know. His point is, this is what it feels like to us. When the greatest athlete on the globe, right along with Serena, when the greatest athlete on the globe

says that and identifies with Black people saying we're terrified and scared, do you know what that does to articulate our meaning? A politician can't say it that way. Right. I don't care who, I don't care what politician you are that lebron james who ain't got no office and nobody put him in office i'm gonna flip your argument ain't nobody he ain't went to the polls the polls were in the people who love him because of what he did the affirmation of him as an extraordinary figure it's even purer right he didn't have to run no campaign. He showed up and did what he did, and he's won the hearts of the masses. That's remarkable. So yeah, when Joe Lewis was fighting Max Schmeling in the ring in the 40s, late 30s, early 40s, he's fighting fascism. He's fighting fascism. He's fighting Nazism. Not just Nazism, I'm sorry. Not just another white guy who's from Germany. It's two different systems. Democracy versus Nazism on display there.

not only of their people, but of their nation in a way that the nation didn't deserve. Because when we went to fight in foreign wars and came back in our uniforms, they lynched us. They killed us. They murdered us. So yeah, a LeBron James, a Carmelo Anthony, a Chris Paul, all of the WNBA, my God, a Candace Parker, Diane Terrasse. When you think about all of them, as great as the men have been, I mean, LeBron will stand up above anybody, but right under him, Maya Moore and all those great black athletes in the WNBA, they've been ahead of this game.

They got gunshot wounds where Blake was shot in the exact space. And his name on the front of their, they way beyond what the guys collectively are doing, but I'm loving what the guys are doing as well. So yes, to answer your question, we still need them out there. I don't know if you've ever done this, but if I said, okay, name the five greatest baseball players of all time, any era, pitchers included. Okay, you know what?

Let's leave pitchers out. I don't really care. All they do is bad. Give me your five best, the five greatest baseball players. Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson, Ricky Henderson. And one guy, Bob Gibson as a pitcher. That's a very, I mean, I can, Willie Mays, I understand. Hank,

gotcha. I'm surprised you said Ricky. The all-time run pleader? He, hey, look, he was different.

I mean, I heard a story about Ricky and it makes me laugh because I can just imagine had I been there to actually witness some of the things that I've heard and I just I just I'm crying laughing yeah my dad played with him for a few years so yeah

some of those stories are true you got Jackie Robinson for what he did uh yes number one you know rightfully so I mean if it wasn't for him you know uh and what's funny is out of all the pictures in my house he's the one that's prominently displayed in my office right uh because of what he did and what he means to so many people of color and i think people you know and not so much i mean what he did for us as people uh black people but he allowed to let other countries come here and play this game and i know it's different in bat football because you don't see very many europeans and no uh it's basically for us right for us you know uh you know we got guys from south africa you know japan you know korea

you know a lot of dominican guys you got cubans you got south korea but without him who knows and and my thing is if he didn't do it when would be the next jackie robinson right you know it may have been after my dad might have played so so I may have not got the opportunity. And yet you had to have the right temperament because the things that were said, the things that were done, you had to write. Everybody couldn't be Jackie Robinson, Griffin. No, no, no. And I say that all the time. I'm like, I don't know if I could be him.

I've got to say something. Exactly. You had to bite your tongue a lot. Right. But I got a chance to sit there and talk to Rachel and Sharon. That's why part of my shoe collection

does have a Jackie Robinson shoe because of what he did. I got one coming out next year. I can't show it to you, but I got one coming out. I'll just wait. Hopefully, I'll get the sneaker version.

Oh, no. It's the sneaker version. Okay. Because I don't play no more. I can't be out here. My wife ain't going to let me go on this towel on my spikes. Okay. You say you can't transport.

You can't put LeBron back in the 80s you can't bring jordan to the 2000s okay give me your all-time starting five then any era all-time starting all-time starting five you know you got mike you got uh johnson you got uh shaquille uh who else oh you gotta have you to have a shooter. So I got to put Oscar. Oscar Robinson out there. And then you got LeBron. So you going Jordan,

Magic, Shaq, LeBron, Oscar Robinson. Yes. That ain't a bad starting five. Starting five. Them boys all can do their thing and you got a seven footer that can run with you most powerful in the nba ever okay i want you to korea i want labar ball since he's good at building things and creating things he's a great entrepreneur okay i'm gonna give you some some, and I want you to be the perfect basketball NBA player.

So if I say, like, shooting, I'm going to say you say stealth. So, okay, passing. Magic. Handles. Ooh, that's AI. Athleticism. LeBron. Mentality. Shoot. Shoot LeBron. Mentality.

Shoot. Shoot. You know who that is. That's God dang Jordan. Strength. Check. Clutchness. Mike.

Speed. Speed. I'm going with Iverson. Iverson got two of those things in there. So shooting is Steph hands down. Hands down, Steph. Would you say

Steph revolutionized the game? No, I ain't going to say he revolutionized games. He's got a lot of guys shooting from far distance and stuff like that. But nobody was shooting like he was with the consistency. The logo three. It's not even about the consistency because this consistency is there.

They're only showing the ones he really make. For Mark Jackson to give him the leeway to shoot anywhere, that's allowed him. My boys were shooting further than him. Easy. Them layups. But who allows you to do that? if you're doing it in these games what people were saying oh well the boys are shooting all over the place yeah we was doing that they used to ask us about the chino hills team man you guys remind us of the uh the golden

state warrior i'll say i don't know how we play fast in them we scoring 100 points in damn near 30 something minutes they got 48 minutes and getting 120. Give me 48 minutes. We go to 200. You've always been a Laker fan. Give me your top five Lakers. So, because you go back to Showtime Lakers. So, you saw some of the great, obviously, you know, Will and Elgin and Jared, you know, but you can add them.

Give me your top five Lakers of all time in order. Not just name five. I need the top five in order. Okay, we're gonna go number five. We're gonna go with Shaq. Okay. Shaq at five. Shaq at five. At four, Wilter Stilt.

Okay. Quit playing, we big right now. We. Woo! Quit playing. We big right now. We real big. Real big. Then at the three, watch this. Kareem Abdul. Oh! Oh, no!

No, you didn't! No, you didn't put the count to that three. I got him at the three. And at the two. Uh-oh. This is it. Drum roll. The number two. The number two Laker of all time is Kobe

Jellybean Bryant. Okay, okay. It only leaves one slot, baby. It only one. The magic man. Magic, baby. That's where I got all my game from. I grew up playing like magic., passing the ball, looking out like being an unselfish player.

Like watching Magic in the 80s made you want to get the ball to the best player on the team. It made you want to run up and down the flow. It made you want to like be a real flow general and, you know, run a team. You know what I'm saying? So to me, he went to the most championships he had the hardest road to get to the championship and i always say this i watched him win a national championship at michigan state mary bird the next year he came to the lakers kareem broke his ankle

we was against dr j this one dr j was the whole thing. Dr. J, Dale Dawkins. Caldwell Jones, Bobby Jones. Bobby Jones, Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Toney. They were loaded. Magic said, hold on, Kareem. Don't trip. We have three games or two in Philly. If we lose, it's going to be 3-3, and we're probably going to lose game seven.

I'm going to play center. Watch out. Doop. Second quarter, I'm going to play center. Watch out. Doop. Second quarter, I'm going to play forward. Boop. Third quarter, I'm going to play the two-guard. Fourth quarter, I'm going to run the point and run these punks up out here so we can get this championship and get on back home to the cap.

Wow. At 20 years old. He was special. Yeah. The Dodgers, you good. But until you win a championship at 20 years old on the come out, you ain't magic. Nah.

I'm going to put you on the spot here. This is 80. Give me your Mount Rushmore boxers. It doesn't have to be all heavyweights. It doesn't have to be middleweights, this and that. Give me your Mount Rushmore. You get four boxers, Roy. You get four.

Four? I'm taking me out of it, okay? And I'll save myself because I'll be at the top of Mount Rushmore. So I'm going, Roy. You get four. Four? I'm taking me out of it, okay? And I'll say myself because I'll be at the top of my Rushmore. So I'm going to take me out of it. Okay. I'm going to put Muhammad Ali at the top. Okay. I'm going to put I'm going to probably put Sheree Robinson

second. Okay. I'm probably going to put Salvador Sanchez third. Okay. And I'm probably going to stop there because after that, I can take Leonard, Duran, Chavez. Hagler. I go any kind of way after that. But them top three, that's my top three.

I can take any of them after that, but them my top three. What would you say is the golden era of boxing? The 70s. Why? In the 70s, we ourselves go to era of boxing? The 70s. Why? In the 70s, we realized that it was the golden era of boxing because everybody in the heavyweight division, if they were still around,

you probably take the top 10 in the 70s and insert them, each one of them in today's time and each one would be heavyweight champ right now if they still, because that's how doable, that's how rugged, that's how rugged, that's how well gifted in boxing most of those guys was. Everybody in the top ten back in that time was heavyweight champion,

quality or character type of fighter. So you're looking at Ali, Ken Norton, George Foreman, Larry Holmes. George Frazier. George Frazier. Pick what you wanna pick. Pick what you want to pick. Pick what you, I mean, one of the greatest fighters of all time that people need to go look at. And I said two, I watched a few fights that I will watch over and over.

Like I watch Hearns all the time. I watch Linda Rand a lot. I watch Hagler Hearns. I watch Hagler Leonard. But one of the best, some of the best fights, because that's some of them, but the list goes on and on, but to really get a good appreciation of boxing, appreciation of boxing, you always have to go back and watch George Foreman versus Ron Lyle, one of the best heavyweight fights ever, then one of the heavyweight fights that also touched me a lot as an older kid, as I

was growing up in boxing, I became a Larry Holmes fan after watching Larry Holmes fight Ken Norton because I know how hard of a time Ken Norton gave Ali every time he seen him. Every time. For Larry Holmes to come and deal with that same thing and overcome it was really exceptional to me, and it made me become a Larry Holmes fan. Larry Holmes was shooting that jab. Larry Holmes didn't use that jab as a range finder. He was using it to do some damage.

Yes. So let me ask you this. If I were to say, okay, Mo, give me your top five hood classic movies of all time, whether you've been in them or not. Your top five. Top five. Okay. All right. So I'm a little biased with Boys in the Hood

but I'll go back to I don't know you may be too young for this but Cooley High I remember Cooley High Cooley High was a classic you know what I have to say one of my favorites was

Dead Presidents at that time they put it down was Dead Presidents. You know, at that time. They put it down with Dead Presidents. Man, love New Jack. Love New Jack City. Right. And then, of course, you know, Friday is always going to be up there.

Yes. So I would have to, is that four or five? How many is that? That's five. That's five, okay, yeah. That's five. It's five. Okay. Yeah. It's hard.

It's hard because you leave, you leave house party out. Oh yeah. Like you said, I go back, I go back to penitentiary. Oh, right, right. That's right. Right, right. It is hard. You know, and I think, I think the thing is that i think it's the the thing that that most affects people like like when i look back you know and and coolly high i really felt the

motion just as watching that movie um you know house i mean friday was funny i love house party too you know dance but you know i really i really enjoyed thinking back dead presidents uh lorenz tate's a friend of mine performance and alan and the hughes brothers i mean they put together a really good piece and chris tucker in that movie was you know he had a dramatic side to that movie there are a lot of nice elements to that movie coach you uh you get criticized because you know every time if you have an opinion and if it doesn't coincide with some other people's opinion they say you're a hater you had a rank and you said that brady was the sixth most

difficult quarterback in nfl history to defend do you still agree with your ranking and why do you say he was the sixth most difficult quarterback to defend well first of all i don't think you can rank across uh generations anyway. Right. So I said, I'm not going to do that, and I'm not going to go by statistics or whatever. I'm going to go by who was toughest on me. Right. So now I got to start. I'm never putting Tom Brady ahead of Peyton Manning.

So the best he can be is two. Because Peyton was my guy. So the highest he could ever get is two. Correct. Then I started thinking of, okay, who gave me real problems? John Elway, you could do everything right, have the perfect defense. He's going to move around and make something happen and kill you. And he killed me enough to say he was difficult.

Steve Young was the same way. Those mobile quarterbacks. So that's who I put ahead of Tom. Aaron Rodgers, John Elway steve young guys guys who could move not to say tom wasn't great he is great but that extra dimension meant something to me so that's that's why i would only put him at six just my opinion now we look at and you've mentioned the evolution of the mobile quarterback. Not only, look, these quarterbacks, when we say mobile coach,

they're not looking to run the football. They're looking to still throw the football, and they can throw it on the move. They can throw it wrong foot. They can throw it rolling left. They can throw it rolling right. You look at Deshaun Watson. You look at Patrick Mahomes. You look at Aaron Rodgers.

You look at Russell Wilson. I just saw Josh Allen last night, and he's playing unbelievable. When you look at these quarterbacks, what's been the biggest transformation? Why are these quarterbacks coming in and being able to play so well so early? I think it's coaches adapting rather than taking that rookie quarterback and saying, you got to learn all this stuff, and you got to learn how to be a pocket passer, and you've got to learn this and learn that. They're saying, no, let me take what this young man does and build on it. So I've got the RPOs in, I've got bootlegs in for them.

And that's stuff that you never saw before. And so now it's Russell Wilson and Deshaun creating. And instead of the coach saying, no, no, no, don't do that, the coach is saying, you know what? This helps us, and we'll put scramble drills in. And when Russell does this, receivers, you do that. We'll put bootlegs in. Josh Allen, we're going to let you go. And I think coaches have come out of their shell,

and they've let these guys be who they are. Coach, are you surprised Patrick Holmes is this good? I mean, I saw him throw for over 700 yards against Oklahoma, but everybody throws for a bunch of yards in the Big 12. Are you surprised he has a chance to be all-time generational transcendent great, not just good? He can be great, great, great. Yeah, I am. And what amazes me about him is that 25 years old his uh concept and his processing of information and his control of the game very few mistakes very few interceptions very few bad checks so add the the great arm skills and all of that, but the mental capacity that he has at 25, that has amazed me.

And you look at the weapon, and for Andy, and look, you think about it. They went to the playoffs. They won a division. They went to the playoffs, if I'm not mistaken, and he moves up 17 spots to take Patrick Mahomes when he had a quarterback that went to the playoffs but I think Andy envisioned in order I got Tyreek a guy that can take the top off we've never seen anything

like this since Bob Hayes I got a guy in Travis Kelsey in order for me to maximize that I need a guy that can throw the ball over the top yep yep they saw something special i don't know why they saw it and everybody else didn't but they saw something special in patrick mahomes and to put him in the lineup to make that switch from a playoff quarterback that takes a lot of guts and they did it and they knew they were going to the next level and then to put stuff in for him 55 yard corner routes you know things that we haven't seen before you'd get you people would think you're crazy for actually just putting that play in right oh Patrick can do it we're going to take advantage of what he can do I think it's been When I tell people how we live in the thousand square foot cinder block home. Hey, Libby wish you would stop telling that story too, by the way.

Buck gets very upset when we tell the story about the thousand square foot cinder block home with indoor plumbing, a tin roof that you could actually lay on your back and you could see the sky from the bed. And I told the story in my hall of fame speech, but growing up in that environment, what, because when I also spent, you know, when I tell people I've never spent the night at a friend's house, I've never spent the night at a friend's house. I've never spent the night at a family member's house. And people can't believe that. Correct. And the first time I stayed away from home, I went to 4-H camp at Cherokee, I think it was.

I think then, God, I was a senior. No, it was Rock Eagle. Rock Eagle, yeah. You were I could remember the Cherokee tribe. I couldn't remember what it was because it was so long ago. But yeah. The thing is, is when you grow up that way and that's the only way, you know, you don't have anything to compare it to. Because we saw our friends every day at school and some at church, but you had nothing to compare it to because yeah we saw our friends every day at school and some at church but you had nothing to compare it to so guess what it was our norm and our norm was you know what god i i wish the roof didn't leak you know i wish we didn't have to get up you know monday through

sunday and you know herd hogs or pick tobacco or grind feed or, you know, I wish we didn't, but that's what we knew. And, you know, you and I used to talk all the time about the only thing we wanted to do was play football. And we knew we were going to never get the chance to play football because we were always working. So when you know, that's all, you know, there is no, I'm going to make it better because you're going to make it better. How all you know is farming. So that was all you know. There is no, I'm going to make it better because you're going to make it better. How all you know is farming. So that was all we knew. Did you think when we were working the hours and I always use the term can't, they can't. And people like what the can't, they can't mean. Can you explain to people that's going to be watching this?

What can't, they can't mean? You see what you're working from the time you can't see when you get up until you can't see at night. It's dark to dark and it's it. The job is never done. It's just you got to go home and get some sleep. It's not like, you know, it's a nine to five or I finished my work. I'm going to get off early. We never got off early. There was no such thing as, you know what, we're finished picking this tobacco and you know what we're going to do? We're going to take the rest of the day off. No, that never happened. So, but like I said, Shannon, you know, it's easy in hindsight to go back and say how tough we had it. And it's easy in hindsight to try and make our upbringing so much different from everyone else by going, you know, living in a house that didn't have running water,

different from everyone else by going, you know, living in a house that didn't have running water, rain, you know, looking at the sun, we can lay in bed and watch the sunrise, that kind of stuff. You know what it did? It didn't make us stronger. It just made us. We were like, if it was to be, we were going to have to do it. And we were always like that from our playing days is, hey, we were great teammates, I'd like to think. But if there's an opportunity to make a play, coach, put it on me because I can accept the success, but I can also accept the failure if it doesn't go our way. And I think that's strictly because of how we were brought up. And I say this to people, and I used to say it to young people when I spoke more all the time. It ain't by accident that two guys from Glenville, Georgia, not only graduated from college, but made it to the NFL.

That ain't by accident, but it's not by design either. I mean, I just think that, you know, and I tell people you learn a lot about guys. If you tell me how they were raised and tell me what their experiences are, I could tell you who they are and how we were raised. and tell me what their experiences are, I could tell you who they are and how we were raised. We had similar experiences from the time we left Glenville until the time you got into television. Our lives were pretty much mirror images of each other, even though we're, you know, we we're two, three years apart in age. But we're two years apart in athletics. So give the people a little backdrop of kind of some of the jobs you and I had. part in athletics. So give the people a little backdrop of kind of some of the jobs you and I had. Well, we had a family. Remember, it was our grandmother, grandfather, me, you, and our sister, not to mention our Aunt Jane, our Aunt Sherma Dean, our Aunt Gladys, and sometimes our Aunt

Marynell living in that thousand foot cinder block house too. So it wasn't like there was a lot of room, but our jobs. Also Dietrich. Dietrich, our nephew, was there. So guess what? It wasn't like we had chores and we could finish our chores. We definitely had to go to school and church. Those two things were a must. Correct. We were at school. We were at church.

But then there was the tobacco picking and planting my grandmother's garden. There's also the moving and the situating of the hogs that we had, grinding of the feed. So when hogs got out, it wasn't like, hey, we lost a hog, oh well, we got to go search for it. So we were going through hell and high water in situations where I am to this day, I am still amazed that none of us ever got bit by a snake and none of us ever died because of snake bite. Because I can remember our times wrapping our hands around tobacco stalks and there'll be eight foot rattlesnake wrapped under, sitting under a leaf, or we were walking through swamps in the day of the summer and never got bit by a moccasin.

I'm amazed. But we had, and not to to mention and i'll talk just about you and i when we were in high school when i was in high school you would have been in middle school we would get up and go to school go and go to practice go home and as soon as we got home from practice we had to get in uh earl bacon or our uncle james's truck to go catch chickens where we were making a dollar a thousand and we would you know it's hard because how much were we making if you call it how much money dollar we're making a dollar a thousand so you for every thousand chickens that were in that house each individual got paid one dollar so imagine working from 11 to 2 catching uh,000 chickens you made $14 or 10,000 chicken you made

$10 right and so you get home at 3 and you had to clean yourself up try to get as much sleep as you can because 7 o'clock and on the way to school what's happening the next day so it and like I said as tough as it seems or sounds now, wasn't that bad back then, because guess what? We got to be with our friends or our cousins. We were making money. So it was a good deal for us. Well, the school was the easy part. It was the summer when you had to work in tobacco. And then you come home. Remember, we would come home. Not only did we play during the lunch break, we would eat, play only did we play during the lunch break we would eat play basketball great like boy come in here y'all will have a heat stroke and i'm like

hold on you said it's too hot to play basketball but it's not too hot to work in the field and we were in a long sleeve shirt we were in a long sleeve shirt and blue jeans in the field it wasn't like we were dressing cool right we got a long sleeve shirt and blue jeans on dressing in that tobacco field. So yeah, those were some definitely different times for us growing up. But I definitely believe it definitely helped shape how we were from the time we left Glenville until the time we got to television. I'm about to tell a story about how we were working

in the tobacco field and then we would play and then we had to get ready to get on that chicken truck that night. So we were working to the back of field and then we would play and then we had to get ready to get on that chicken truck that night so we were working and i remember i remember because you at at the time i was making five bucks a day you remember you remember when i told granny i was making five bucks a day let me tell you hold on let me tell you let me Let me tell you. Let me tell Granny that Lanny and I, Lanny is our first cousin. All Lanny and Shannon did was play. What did Granny tell me? If he making five bucks a day, it's too much. It's too much.

She said it was too much money. And I agree because all you and Lanny were buying were Diet Cups and Honey Buns anyway. Okay. Let's tell the story. Mr. Joe, who was our boss at the time, Joe Tatum, he just passed recently. He set us up a line of credit at the convenience store. At the convenience store, yeah. And so we could go in there and get anything we want on credit,

knowing that Mr. Joe was going to bring us in there. We were going to cash our check and we can pay. So when Mr. Joe said he was going to the town, going to the store, what would I always get? I was probably six or seven years old. 300 bonds and three coats. I'm like, you couldn't get one and one. Mr. Joe bring me 300 bonds and three Coca-Colas.

Every time he had to go, it was three and three. It was three and three. It was three and three. But do you remember also, Mr. Joe, he had a farm. And he had cattle. And cattle eat hay. Somebody had to bail that hay. Mr. Joe had a big farm.

He had peanuts. He had watermelons. We had the broader second year. Mr. Jones had a big farm. He had peanuts. He had watermelons. We had the broader second year. He had okra. He had tomatoes. We had to pick up pecans for the dashers. That's correct. We had a lot of jobs.

And the thing was, is we would have done even more just to put money in our pockets to lessen the load on granny. At the time she was the only breadwinner for the most part in the house or in living. So we would have done anything to buy our own clothes, buy our own shoes, buy our own basketball, our own basketball shoes, football shoes, track shoes. We would have done just about any and everything. I want a slice. Got to roll the dice. That's why all my life I've been grinding all my life. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news

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