Club Shay Shay - Best of Club Shay Shay with Marshawn Lynch, Tommy Davidson, Bruce Bruce and Rich Paul

Episode Date: October 28, 2023

This special episode recaps some of the best moments from Club Shay Shay during the month of October.0:00-15:13 - Marshawn Lynch Talks Russell Wilson's Super Bowl Interception & Laughing in Pete Carroll's Face15:13-31:45 - Tommy Davidson On Almost Getting Beat Up by Will Smith Over Jada, How Being Raised by White People Affected the Way He Sees Things and Jennifer Lopez Dissing Him31:44-43:22 - Bruce Bruce Talks Jada Pinkett Smith Not Loving Will Smith, Being a Stripper, Steve Harvey Changing His Life And Being Nervous On Set Of The Wash With Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg43:22-54:24 - Rich Paul Compares His Basketball Shot to Steph Curry & Klay Thompson, Talks Struggle of Coming Up as a Sports Agent and the Disrespect LeBron Receives For Not Having Kobe's Mamba Mentality#Volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make sure to listen to the Good Morning Football podcast Monday through Friday on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Mike Wright from the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty podcast. You heard that right. the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast. You heard that right. The Fantasy Footballers have officially entered the Dynasty space. Every week, we bring you the same in-depth analysis and entertainment

you've come to expect from the Fantasy Footballers, only now it's from the Dynasty perspective. Join me and the rest of the crew every Wednesday for a new episode. Listen to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The guy that's stopping by for conversation and a drink today is a Super Bowl champ. He's a five-time Pro Bowler. He's a two-time NFL Russian touchdown leader, a two-time Pro Bowl player.

He's a member of the 2010 All-Decade Team. He's an entrepreneur, entertainment superstar, TV personality, actor, national treasure. He's here just so he doesn't get fined. Beast mode. Marshawn Lynch. Marshawn, we got to talk about him. Super Bowl XLIX. Oh, shit. Oh, you're getting

right. Russ come on down one knee because Russ will get down on one knee when he's in the huddle. And you hear the play because you're on the one yard line, Marshawn. You Russell get down on one knee when he in the huddle. And you hear the play, cause you on the one yard line, Marshawn, you on the one yard line. Russ in the huddle. And he's calling out the play. What's going through your mind?

Shit, I, to be honest, I look at, I look at all, nine of the other guys, and they look at me like, what the fuck just happened? And I mean, you know, at the time. Even as he's calling the play in the huddle, because they were, look, you got one yard. We got the man that, we got, we got beast mode.

We got 225, 35 pound sledgehammer. What's happening? And we got a timeout. So if we don't get it was hanging if we don't get it on this first second down we gonna get it on third we gonna get it on four we gonna get this ball in there but b's gotta touch it b's gotta have it was hanging man the the look on the look on all my teammates face in the the huddle, it spoke volumes. Processing the shit, if you go back and you look at the play, I actually lined it. Shit, I'm processing. I lined up on the wrong side.

I lined up on the wrong side, man. Russell got to tell you. I'm bouncing from back and forth behind like, oh shit. And by the time it sat in, like, motherfucker, what did we just call? You just hear all the cheering from the other sideline

like, what the fuck? So you didn't know, you didn't know Malcolm Butler had picked the ball up? Man. So you didn't know Malcolm Butler had picked the ball up? Man, nah, because they sent me on the flat. Yeah, you were. Yeah. You feel me?

I'm running out there like, shit, well, at least you're going to hit me in the flat. Yeah, yeah. And I get my head around. He ain't tackling you one on one. What the fuck? Like, what's going on? I don't see no ball coming on. Alright.

And see them motherfuckers jumping up and down and cheering like. Oh shit. He just threw a pick. And at that time, you know, there was a lot of shit going on. You know what I mean? So as you're walking off the field. And at that time, you know, there was a lot of shit going on. You know what I mean? So as you're walking off the field, the defense is coming on the field. Oh, God.

So was there any interaction? Did anybody say anything? Did the defense say, man, what the F was that? Who called that bull jive? Now that we look back at it, you see everybody, you know, they show the reaction. I mean, you see the reaction. Sher show the reaction yeah i mean you see the reaction sherm earl bruce yeah i mean the d-line all the you see the reaction from everybody and then as i'm going back to the sideline uh you know i go by russ and i just hear him like oh man like i'll get him next time whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

And as I hear the shit, I don't really, I usually don't take my helmet off, but you know, I take my helmet off. And I go right to Pete Carroll's face and I'm talking about, I hit his ass with the biggest. You laughed at his face? What the? And at that point, shit. I'm about my shit. I go that point, shit. I'm up out my shit. I go to the locker room. I'm out.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I don't see all the shit going on. I don't see none of this shit.

I don't see the last few plays. Where they getting the scuffling and they pushing and shoving. You was already gone? I'm in the fucking... You in the locker room? I'm in the fucking... You're in the locker room. I'm in the locker room. So by the time they come to the locker room, you probably already dreaded it.

It was Arizona. I think I ran in the... In the... Lenny Kravitz. Through the... Oh, shit! Hey, what's up, man? You looking like...

Don't you got a game? Oh, yeah, that shit over. In the locker room, hey. Called my mama and... Called the family hey come on we back to the spot all right go in there get dressed go shower get dressed and as i'm coming out now you see everybody else coming in i mean i'll let you i'll let y'all when you get back to the... Why? Why didn't they give you that ball? Why did Darryl Bevel call a pass play? Why did Pete Carroll not overrule him? What happened?

Did they not want you to get that MVP? Man, I have no idea. And from the understanding I got is nobody taking accountability for neither one of them. They put it off on each other so I don't know I don't know what the fuck they are going through.

Hold up. Russ put it off on Pete Pete put it off on Russ or was it coordinator and head coach? Nah, coordinator and head coach they pass it back to each other from

that's when they talk it to me so I don't know how I play but at at the end of the day yeah that shit was you know that shit was painful because you gotta think like no matter what in any sport you play what you do especially now running back saying okay you you when you a little jit you you set up, you know, pillow here, pillow here, chair here, maybe a lamppost here. Like, okay. And then you start going. It's the end of the game.

One more play. The quarterback hand the ball off to Marshawn. He jump in the end zone, touchdown. Oh, the Oakland Raiders win the Super Bowl because I'm a Raiders fan. I'm from Oakland, California. So, you know, You put it together. You put that play together so many times. You play that so many times.

So not only did they take a moment away from you. They took a moment. They took a dream. Wow. I mean, like I say, that's a once-in-a-lifetime situation. Have you gotten over it? Like I say, that's a once-in-a-lifetime situation. Have you gotten over it?

To be honest with you, now that, you know, we at 10 years, we had a 10-year reunion for the Super Bowl and just thinking like, damn, we could have been doing this again next year. Next year. And there's no telling. I mean, like, you know, you took a dream away. You took a moment away. You took a moment away. You arguably took a dynasty away.

You know what I mean? Because then you in position to, hey, we win two Super Bowls. Maybe I don't want to be the highest paid corner or the highest paid safety or the highest paid receiver. No, spread that cheese through the whole team so we can bring everybody back and we could go try to do three, maybe four. Let's see what we can get out of it. So, I mean, you know, not only do you, you know, you take away all that shit, but, you

know, you put us in the history books as the dumbest call in football history. in the history books as a dumbest call in football history. And then, I mean, you know, for my situation on the other end of it, you know what I mean, it's going to be an everlasting question that I'm going to get. Why they ain't giving you the ball? Is that the question that you get asked the most? When people meet Marshawn Lynch and everybody knows who you are,

is that the first question out of, they're like, hey, how you doing, Marshawn? Man, why they ain't give you that ball? Hell no, it ain't no, hey, Marshawn Lynch and everybody knows who you are, is that the first question out of, they're like, hey, how you doing, Marshawn? Man, why they didn't give you that ball? Hell no, it ain't no, hey, Marshawn, how you doing? It's, hey, why the fuck they didn't give you the ball? Hey, was you Marshawn Lynch? You look just like Marshawn Lynch. Like, nah, I ain't Marshawn Lynch. Oh, my bad. I didn't mean to ask you that. I thought you was Marshawn Lynch. Because I was gonna

say, man, if you was Marshawn Lynch, why the fuck they didn't give you the ball? Nah, I'm Marshawn. Man, why the fuck they didn't give you the ball? Nah, I'm Marshawn. Man, why the fuck they didn't give you the ball? Oh, shit. Fuck, I don't know, man. Shit, I wish I did know. I wish I could get, you know, the truthful answer behind that.

But is there any answer he could give you now to satisfy you? I mean, at this point, I wouldn't know. Now that it's been so much time in between, it probably wouldn't even matter. Because, you know, I've heard all the,

everybody says, well, they didn't want Beastmole to be the MVP. Pete wanted it to be Russ, or the NFL wanted it to be Russ. I heard that. Whatever the case may be. But it doesn't make sense.

I mean, I played the game for a long time. It doesn't make sense to me. I got 235-pound sledgehammer back there, and I'm going to throw a pass on the one-yard line. Yeah, it just don't make sense. You almost scored on the play before. You ran it down to the one. You damn right. You know what I mean?

So, realistically, like, man, when I think about it, I'm in a position where, you feel me, I don't get, you know, upset or frustrated with it. But more so curious, like, you know, because then, you know, you got all the possibilities. Did they not want you to be the Super Bowl MVP? Because if you're Super Bowl MVP, then you're the face of the NFL. They don't want, you know, want that to be the case or whatever but at that and then they have special occasion They bring all Super Bowl winners back and they out there. Let me ask you this How long did it take you to get over not getting the ball? Mmm

You know what? Realistically It was immediately. Because the thing is, if you go and ask anybody that ever played with me, they'll tell you, like, he really, like, play for the team type shit. Right. So, it was a part of me who wanted to be selfish, like, give me the ball type shit. But at the end of the day, knowing the work that all these individuals put in, if Locke catch that ball, that's my nigga, so you feel me?

I'm happy for him, but in the grand scheme of just football, that shit don't make no sense. Rob Markman Right. But as far as, because I'll never come and intentionally be no hater towards nobody, but just certain shit makes sense and certain shit don't. That just don't make no sense. It's not a good football. It's not a football decision.

It's not a good football IQ. Now that I'm thinking about it, it's not. Was that the play that ended the Seattle Seahawks? Most definitely. And they're suffering still to this day. I had a podcast at the time called Mild and Off, and I went on that Monday, and I said, they'll never be the same.

I said, they won't look at Pete the same. I said, they realize what... Because a lot of teams win one in a row. To be special, you win back-to-back Super Bowls because there have been so few that have done it. I said, they will never believe in Pete the same way again. And it's like, you know what I mean? Like, when a dope thing get that first high,

they're going to chase that motherfucker. You chase that. You search for that. It's called chasing the drag. Chase that motherfucker. And now you got a situation where I believe when you look at it, like that motherfucker is almost like he's trying to chase and rebuild that team that he had rather than moving forward and letting the guys that he got be the guys. Yeah, you're not going to do that. You're not going to get a Sherm.

I mean, you got a Sherm. You got a rookie Sherm and an Earl Thomas and a Cam Chancellor. And, you know, you got B-Wags and you got KJ and you got Bennett and you got Averill and you got Red. I mean, bro, you're not going to recreate that. You're not. But as long as you chasing that and you're not building these individuals to be the greatest player that they can be,

you're going to keep on repeating history. Because he got some guys who I believe can play. But if you got in your mind that you want your guy to be a Michael Bennett or you got your guy and you want him to be a Marshawn like, nah, you can't do that.

But the thing is, if you go in and groom that guy to be the best him, then it probably give yourself a better chance. You feel me? Because they got some dudes over there who I really, you know what I mean? You get that one. I like. You know what I mean?

But as long as in their mindset they trying to get him to be the goddamn 2013 Seahawks. What was your relationship with Pete like? And they're in a similarity between John Gruden and Pete Carroll. But what was your relationship like with Pete? My relationship with Pete was interesting. Because, I mean, the thing is, like, I pete as a coach because he get motherfuckers ready to go yeah that's the truth yeah you feel me and he the same way every day but there was just certain things about pete like i mean he was like yeah and i i mean like me, I don't I don't need that right to get going. That's why I said

I feel like a high school code on Sunday. Yeah We play Sunday. Oh, we got two we got Thursday night game Okay, let me know when the game is and I'm gonna be ready all the extra shit Oh, I don't need it. Right? I don't need all of that to get ready to get to go but a lot of guys can feed into that and I've seen it and it worked. Right. So you feel me? I'll never like, never go against the grain like, oh, fuck him and this then the third. Cause no, he's a great motivator and get motherfuckers ready. But it was just

that I didn't need that. And I don't think he understood where I was coming from, that I don't need to be ha ha ha and hoo hoo hoo and all that in order to be ready. And I believe he wanted me to be a part of that type of environment, but that just wasn't my speed. So that kind of got us to headbutting a little bit for the misunderstanding. But the thing was, I always told him, man, I ain't going to never go against the ground. I ain't going to never tell nobody not to, you know what I mean, listen to what you got going on. But that shit just not for me.

So, you know what I mean, if you're going to be having meetings or whatever, you know what I mean, we came to an understanding. If we having a meeting and you not telling me specifically, like, Marshawn, on this play, we need you to do X, Y, and Z, then you know I'm probably not gonna come to that meeting. Because I know what you gonna be in there doing. You gonna be in here high high, busting jokes and doing all the funny shit. Yeah, I mean, I'm ready to play football. So when it comes down to that, then let me know.

Once we got that understanding. You were cool. Yeah. And the guy that's stopping by for conversation no drinking today is uh emmy award winner comedian actor voice actor writer producer musician director author been in the industry almost 40 years a friend of mine tommy davidson me and um um will had a run-in Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't find out that for 15 years because he never told me that. See, he came into the he came into the trailer and I was sitting down.

Right. He's standing over me like this. And he's like, I appreciate that, man. I appreciate that. And I't appreciate that and i'm like well what you're talking about i always know to play it off right you know what i mean it's tone well i'm sitting down oh look this was 15 years later or was it no this was then and then i didn't find out why okay okay i was asking him why then but he wouldn't say nothing right right and i'm going what's going on man tell me what's happening man, and since he was standing Yeah, and I was sitting a real nice fella

That's about physics right right so I'm like, you know, oh man, what's going on man? I mean, hey man He's like I don't appreciate that. You know saying Jada's going well well I'm saying but I mean what's happening man now You tell me what's happening. Hmm. Hmm You know what a dude does this. He's about to do something bad. He might do something, right? So I'm like, you know, I did the whole, you remember the snake? Yeah.

I did the snake. Well, what, you know, and got up. Right. And then I was like, you know, so what are you talking about, man? And I was still in that posture. So you didn't really know what he was actually talking about. I didn't, but I know what he was doing right so I was like come on man I mean what's up just tell me what's up right yeah yeah you know what's up you know so finally I just said

this is a small place and people are here you want we should talk about it right me and you outside because it looked like you're gonna need to get something off your chest right and the jader was like oh no no no no no y'all no y'all and i was like what do you mean nah y'all tell him tell him and that was the end of that right you see right and i never knew it wasn't until my book came out right years later right where i counted that as one of the things that really bothered me and hurt me bad because I didn't know when I look up to him and I love him to death.

So you really didn't know why he was upset. You had no earthly idea that it was because of an on-screen kiss or attempt to kiss or what was going on. No. But I didn't know why when I was taking the subway up with my cousin uptown to the Bronx, I ain't know why when i was taking the subway up with my cousin uptown to the bronx i ain't know why when we 14 and and why these 19 18 20 year olders on the other side of

the train are looking at us going what hmm what we'll bust your ass what i ain't know that neither right but i still was like huh You know, waiting for that damn. So hot. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news, previews, recaps and analysis delivered straight to your podcast feed by the time you get your coffee. No dumb hot takes here. Just smart hot takes. We'll talk every single game every single

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unless they sign off on it. Right. Oh. Right. So I was like, uh-huh. And I didn't want to put stuff like that in a book anyway. Right. But I was trying to be real honest about my experiences so I could show that you can go

through anything and still be successful and still be a good person. Right. You know what I mean? And I was able to do that, but it's not easy. Right. You know? But you can do it, right? And I was able to do that, but it's not easy.

Right. You know? But you can do it, right? So I went to his best friend, Charlie Mack. You know Charlie Mack? I remember the song. Charlie Mack, man. Everywhere we go downtown to a show, we have two necessities, Charlie Mack and the limo. Right.

Well, that's like Charlie Mack. You're going to see him at every game. If it's the Super Bowl, if it's the Kentucky Derby, you're going to see Charlie Mack. And that's Will's best friend. Right. So I called Charlie. I said, Charlie, what do you think about this? He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, Will cool.

Jada cool too. She said, give me the quote. I sent it to him. And they'll call you. They'll call you, Tom. I sent it to him. He called me. Him and Jada. They said, yeah, go ahead and put that in there. I send it to them. Call me. You haven't jaded her?

She said, they said, yeah, go ahead and put that in there. Go ahead and put that. And what I put was that I thought in the book, I thought the only thing that could be possible was the producers came to my trailer right when we were on the last scene. And it was a kissing scene. Right.

And they said, the kissing scene's now's a kissing scene right and they said the kissing scenes now not later on tonight we got to do that now and i said but i haven't rehearsed with jada that's the most important rehearsal that you can ever have right you put your lips on a female right on screen right and so and i was like we never got a chance to work that out you can make it look real if she's working with you and everything, right? Without kissing, right? Right. And so I said, I can't do that. I'm not doing that.

I'm not doing it. They said, well, we'll ask her. So they went and came back. She said, just go for it. And even then I was like, I ain't just going to go for it. You know, but I know I have to make it look real. Right. So I'm trying to make it look real and she's kind of uncomfortable about it.

Right. You know? Right. But we got through it and you never could tell right that's all i wanted right right was was to get it to play into the film right that's all we want right you know you at te one wrong block right right right i mean y'all you know it ain't like the receivers out here all the glory right all is blocking right you know what i mean so you got to do it right right so i got it in there And so they called me and said, hey, that is what happened. Wow.

Yeah, and I didn't find out for that long. It was more than 15 years. That was back in 2000. Right. So it was more than that long. Right. So I saw that side, you know? And there's nothing you can do in certain circumstances as far as I'm concerned.

Right. The way that I grew up and saw things. Right. You know, I made a good observation after trial by ass whipping. Right. Right. OK. Right. When emotions is high, common sense is at all time low. Yeah. Common sense is at all time low. And how low can you go? Right. You see what I mean? Yes. So knowing that fact and just sticking on to what I learned when I was a little kid. You know, my my my my brother and sister being white and me being black wasn't a big deal to me until I found out I was black. I grew up in Fort Collins, Colorado and Wyoming. Okay.

Found in the trash, took it straight out there. And I thought I was a brown one of whatever we were because I saw litters. Right. So a black cat can have a white one, a brown one, a speckled one. I thought we were born like that. Right. And I'm a brown one of whatever we are.

Right. Well, when we got to D.C., King had just got shot there were riots right and the black kids the next day were whipping our ass all day and they were saying get the white cracker and get the white cracker lover this is the things i learned right you know and i was i was going this is stupid so i went to my mother i said why are they attacking me seeing I like white crackers I like graham crackers graham crackers you don't gotta have water with nothing you just chew them get you to the apple juice and you're good white cracker you'd be like Schwarzenegger in total recall you know

so so right so I found that out and then that's where the first time I heard the word nigga, you know, okay Because we moved to the suburbs Then it was like kill the nigga and I'm five I'm riding my bike a whole truck of white boys Barely getting in the door people throwing stuff through the window, right? Naked it's naked. So I went to my mom And I said who are these niggas we got to stay away from? You know?

You're talking about you, huh? Yeah, yeah. And she told me. She said, this is one of her speeches. She told me, hey, that's what people our color call people your color when they don't like them. I said, what color are you? She said, we're white.

I said, no, you're beige. Because I learned my colors from the crayons. She said, no, but that's what we're white. I said, no, you're beige. Because I learned my colors from the crayons. Right. She said, no, but that's what we call ourselves. And I said, well, what does nigga mean? She said, well, that's what, I mean, what does white cracker mean? She said, that's what your people call our people when they don't like them. I said, well, what color are they?

She said, they're black. I said, they're not. They're brown. Right. I'm a brown one. And like, that's where my whole, as a child, that messed me up for a long time. Right. Because I couldn't believe that I was divided by my loved ones by the color.

Right. And I always thought that that was stupid. Right. But it's real. Right. You right but it's real right you know it's real it's not really real right because I am right about the litters right and I am right about us right because when we were in different civilizations in different colors anytime we would come up on another civilization that was a different color the girls would go those guys look pretty hot and the guys would go them girls look pretty hot right And the guys would go, them girls look pretty hot. Right. And thusly, we start mixing.

Right. It is the same thing. Right. You see what I'm saying? Right. Take a DNA strand. Right. And you'll know.

Right. That wasn't because we exchanged DNAs. Right. Right? You know, that's more like D and P's. Right. Right? You just skip.

I know. But I'm just, I'm talking to him. Right. No, I better stop. I'm good. So, but that'm just, I'm talking to him. Right. No, I better stop. I'm good. So, but that was the catalyst, and I think I found my purpose in all that. Right. You know, and that's why I feel comfortable saying I'm her greatest accomplishment, because I believe I was.

Right. I think she did that on purpose. Right. You see J-Lo, she starts as a fly girl and now she's one of the biggest stars. Did you, did you, did you, could you project, could you see that Jim and Jamie and J-Lo and John Leguizamo, could you, could you foretell that they were going to be that? Yeah. Yeah, I could. Because, because I know that anything is possible in that business if you're talented.

Right. You know, but it's the it's the other stuff that has to line up. Right. It has to line up. Right. Right. You know what I mean? Right. You know, there's there's all these industries, this publicity. Right. There's the agent industry. Right. There's a management industry. Right. There's the studios. There's the networks. There's all this stuff that stuff that you know you got to do right line it up you got to do right and the next step and the next step and the next step to get to that point so it's possible to do right you know it's possible because you can navigate it right it's persistence and all that good stuff right right but i never knew that some of them would

stop talking to me when they got to that point oh man see so i never knew that some of them would stop talking to me when they got to that point. Oh, man. See? So I never knew that. Because I was always curious. Right. You know, how you did it, man, on study. You know, like... So you had the numbers when you was working on Living Color, and then all of a sudden they become something else, and now all of a sudden they...

The number you call is no longer serving. All of them, all of them for her. All of them for her. All of them for her. I was like, you know. Oh. I remember seeing her. Right. And this ain't no J-Lo bashing because she's crazy, talented.

Right. Come on. Right. Can't put nothing on her. And she's a great actress, too. Right. You know, but we used to hang out with me her my ex we used to go to dinner together you know and i met her with keenan at strictly business right because he brought her in my

trailer i was doing a movie and i was like what is that right right right and then she showed up to be a fly girl and she worked her ass off right she worked her ass so she was every day and she was messing around with scripts i was like this, this girl gonna be something that she was. So I saw her at the upfronts. It was me and Danny DeVito. And he's like, there's, there's Jennifer Lopez over there. You know her, right?

I'm like, yeah, I know her. So I go over there and I'm like, what's up girl? Shoot, man, you blew up. What is going on?'s like hey so what's going on what's going on you know just living like you know get some little carrot dip you know I'm going you know what's in that carrot dip you know because she's your dipping my ass you You know me right and so so that happened once and then um, I was on a Facebreak I had to look around and see if anybody saw that right now Did anybody just see her put a hatchet through my forehead right like hey, you know and so

We had the same manager at the same time So I just avoided her because you never know what someone's going through that right, right? I could be misreading it. Right, right. You know, I always got to get the love. But that's from my profile. Right.

From being the black and between the white and all that. So I'm needy in that way. I can admit that. Right. But I do love love. Right.

Well, she might be, listen, you can only judge a person by the experience that you have with that person. Right. She might be a great person to CJ and Hollywood and my hollywood and

all about my god jordan right but your experience in that moment was not love was not great right and so i gave it some time and stuff and i never blamed the person right you know i just try to try to work with myself right you know how could she hate you you're right you know right i had to work on that and so she we had the same um manager at one time right and she was doing a video up and up and um in the block yeah jenny jenny jenny from the block block block block block block right that one and so um he said why don't you go and visit her on the set man she would love to see you and i was like nah that's all right that's all right man he's like nah man come on man this is you come on man i was like nah that's all right that's all right man he's like nah man

come on man this is you come on man i was like nah that's all right man that's all right because one time is enough right for me right you know i don't gotta steal another bass if it's one and out hey i'll get i'll wait till the next up right so? So I go down on the platform, and there she is, you know? And I'll tell you the only thing that saved me. I walked down the platform, and she was looking at the screens with all the rest of the dancers, you know? And Benny's all proud that he's standing with me, you know? Benny Medema, correct?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He put the last name on that okay all right um i'm sorry him man you know what i'm saying uh uh so i get down to the to the end of the thing and i look at her and benny's going come on man i'm like hi man and i go jennifer what's up? And she goes, hey. So that was like the last, you know. I don't know how she's going to be when I see her next. But the next time I saw her, I avoided her. Right.

Because I don't like feeling that way. Right. I don't want to be around anybody who makes me feel like I'm not important. I'm less than because. You're going to make me feel like i ain't important you know i worked at a hospital when i was 15 and everybody that worked there was black and were in the korean war all of them were veterans you know and they taught me everything right they taught me everything about cooking everything about life you know just imagine if they were

like that to me you know know what I mean? Right. I mean, imagine that. Right. You know, my math teacher, Miss Coleman, Jewish woman, lived down the street from the elementary school.

And I couldn't get my math right. She was like a substitute teacher. And she said, why don't you come over to my house? So I go over to her house after school and she would work with me on math and work with me on math.

I was never that great in math, but I had more confidence about doing it. What would happen if she. Hey. Right. You know, so I just remember those things. Right. And that's just me as an individual. That's all. That's just what makes the furnace in me. Right. You know, and I delight in that. People come to me and say, man, you came to you came to Afghanistan. And and and you look at this, this is the picture. You know what I mean? Yeah. We were at your show in Kansas City, man. My grandmother came, man. You took some pictures of her and everything. Right. She gone now, man.

But let me tell you something. That was one of her greatest moments. Right. The guy that's stopping by today for a conversation on the drink is one of my favorites. He's a multidimensional comedian, actor, author. In his bio, it says he's a Krispy Kreme connoisseur. He's the rock stunt double. In the business for over 35 years, he's the mayor of comedy, the legend, the homie from Atlanta now. But if you really know, you know.

You got Cascade Road. You got College Point. You got East Point. You got Cascade Road, you got College Point, you got East Point, you got Doug, and then you got the Swats, but this man is from none of those. He's from the block. My homie, the big homie, Brute Brutes! What's up, player? How you doing, man?

Bet I'm good. How you been? I'ma be honest. I feel so sexy today. You feel sexy? Oh, my God. This is so sexy to me. What is it? Is it L.A.? I mean, leaving the A, coming to L.A., that's what makes you feel... I do feel sexy, man. You know, like, like when I used to me. What is it? LA? I mean, leaving the A, coming to LA, that's what makes you... I did feel sexy, man.

You know, like when I used to strip. Let me tell you something. When I was stripping, the reason I stopped, the church members came down so hard. They came on you? Oh my... But they was at the show. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I was getting it to them, though.

I was getting it to them. You getting it to them? I had a G-string the size of a jump rope. Let me tell you. It was actually breathtaking because when I put it on, it actually took my breath. But look. I had fun doing it, man.

You know what I'm saying? Def Comedy Jam, Showtime at the Apollo. So what was the auditions like on that? Because you know if you knock it out the park here. Oh, you know, Def Jam, you smooth sailing. You ripping on Def Jam. You in the air, man. Right. And I was so scared, man. Oh my Jam, you smooth sailing. You ripping on Def Jam. You in the air, man. Right.

And I was so scared, man. Oh my God, I was scared. Why were you so nervous? Because you had already done... Let me tell you why, Shannon. We Southern boys. But when you get up north to New York, first thing like, this country mother fucker. They say that, you know, this country.

And I say, I'm country country but let me do my thing I know when I would never forget when I did Apollo and Steve Harvey was hosting right and I walked out and Steve said I'm let y'all know now y'all better put your seatbelts on with this guy right here cuz I'm letting you know he gonna let you have and I was known for like messing with the crowd right and I came out there and they're all these he said now to all this country mother I want that I killed him I mean after I rubbed that long when I rubbed that long when I came up right you Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Steve came a guy's uh-huh. Uh-huh. See y'all one ready for him, right? Uh, but I don't think they gave me the respect I had to earn it right but it automatically gave people from up north love

Right, but if you say birmingham atlanta florida tennessee oh this country man and they got to understand it's not like that in the south people think we still living in red clay mud yeah you know horse and bug we're not doing people living in mansions in the south but you know what bruce you wanted a few comedians you chop it up with you chop it up with the audience. You get on them. I have to, man. He with you?

You're letting him home. Oh, that's right. You leave him there. One lady got mad at me. I was in Greenville, South Carolina. I'll never forget this. And she kept talking out loud. And the way this stage, I was on the stage.

The stage was oval shaped. Right. And it was seats all around the stage. Right. And then it was the tables and stuff. But she kept talking out loud. And I was like, what's going on? I was like, what's going on? I was like, what's going on? I was like, what's going on? I was on the stage, the stage was oval shaped. Right. And it was seats all the way around the stage.

Right. And then it was the tables and stuff. But she kept talking out loud. So you could hear her while you were on stage. And so I ignore her and I'm doing my jokes. And I say, can you hold it down? I said, I'll be up shortly. I said, how did you learn how to whisper in a helicopter like that?

She like, my husband don't talk to me like that. She said I called her a bitch and I didn't because I don't do that to women. I never use the N word. You know what I'm saying? And I say, I called you a bitch. I said, if I did, I'm sorry. I said, but let me be the first to shake your hand to call you a bitch.

Yeah! And I made it, I flipped it on her but she kept talking I kind of gave my crudest signal I said get out of here

because she just kept talking and I had to just get out of there but like I apologize too I say I'm going to give you your money back

and everything but this is what I want you to do don't ever come to a show again if you're going to do all that loud talking in front of people because it's disrespectful right

you know but it's disrespectful right, you know But it's good. I have fun you mentioned Steve When you I went to the Apollo and he was the host Yeah, and Steve I've talked to have a lot of comedians all and everybody speak at this man in glowing terms Of how he's helped them Quake talked about how he said look Quake on the comedy club. has steve harvey and blah blah blah and the ticket sales weren't what they're supposed to be right he said steve told

him give everybody their money back this is what we're gonna do in the morning so they read on the radio show the next morning brought everybody donuts and coffee and they promoted the show uh said the entertainer told us hey steve got me on tv says I want this guy right here. He's a buddy of mine Did did Steve partake any wisdom? What what is what a statement? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Let me tell you and Steve was straight up I mean it wasn't it was straight no chase. Yeah, and I never forget I went to the Apollo and Steve say this is all I want you to do He said when people come out and see you give him something And he said, I want you to start dressing in suits. He said, you're a big dude. He said, you look good in suits.

And I had on some Sean John sweatshirts. Yeah. He said, man, that stuff right there good when you're traveling. Right. He said, you get on the plane, you go into another city. Right, right. You can be comfortable. He said, but on stage?

He said, no. That's why I started wearing suits. And he took me up in his dressing room. He showed me the suits he had, the gaiters he had floor right that's what I guess I can and I would I was I'm like I know suits on stage you know right and he said just do it now I kept listening to him listen to him and I did it and it just changed my whole life right and he and he always gave you our wisdom on how you should do how you should dress how you should handle yourself in public right and Steve always kept good dudes around yeah you don't yeah

like he got a bodyguard named boomerang has been with you years yeah yeah and boom like hey man just listen what he got saying everything you guys something do it when I did it it just changed my whole life right so I gotta get big ups to Steve, man. You know, I called him Uncle Steve, and he knows what he's talking about. And it's proven facts now. Because Steve can really do more than that on Family Feud, but he can't do that much. Because some say his face will tell you everything he really want to say. You know what I'm saying?

Because people say some stupid stuff on there. He be like, what did he just say? But Family Feud have not been the same since Steve started hosting that show. I look at the comedians, and it started way back. You look at Cosby, did TV. You look at Redfog. You saw Pryor.

You see all the top comedians do television. Tana Deo, Hughley, Steve Harvey. A lot of them guys. Do you think your weight held you back? I think so. That's a very good question. Dana D. Dio, Hughley, Steve Harvey, a lot of them guys. What is it? Do you think your weight held you back? I think so. And that's a very good question.

I think so. Because people think you can't do it. But you have to, we have to prove ourselves. Right. We have to prove ourselves. It's like black people. We have to be overqualified to do a job. To get the marginal job.

Right. And I think it have, and I think people are scared. Oh, I hope he don't fall out on stage. But what about the skinny people falling out on stage? Right. You know what I'm saying? But I'm going to create my own. Right.

And I'm going to make my own. Right. Because I saw you, I mean, you've been the wash with Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre. And when I did that movie, I was so scared. I had no idea.

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Snoop was like, let him do it. I wanted to roll on the ground like I was Supercop. You know what I'm saying? But they kind of just, no, we don't want to do that. But Snoop and Dre was like, let him do it, man. Let it be him. Right. But I was very nervous when I did that move.

And if I ever get a chance to do it again, I'm going to rip it. I'm going to rip it. Are you afraid, after what transpired a couple of years ago at the Oscars, are you afraid about people running up on stage? If you were to say something. Let me tell you something now, Shannon. Come on now. I'm going to do you like you didn't.

Come on. Come on now, Shannon. Come on now. I'm going to do you like you didn't. Come on. Come on now, Shannon. Come on. Come on. Come on. It wouldn't happen to a brother. Will Smith would have never ran up on Trick Daddy like that. If Trick Daddy was.

Say the same thing. Say the same thing. He'd have hesitated. Right. See, you don't run up on no fool. Trick Daddy going to let you have it. He couldn't have ran up on me or you like that. No.

And Chris Rock is my boy. I love him with all my heart. Chris is a buck thirty. Oh, one twenty-nine. Many a buck thirty when you put your clothes on. You know what I'm saying? But he took it and he kept it professional. Right. But I bet something in his mind was like,

you lost your in mind? Right. You know what I'm saying? And Will, when Will slapped it, he went across. He didn't go like, pow. It was from the shoulders all the way to the floor. Yeah. And he wouldn't have did that to me because it would have been a fight in there. I'm going to tell you, I would have put him in a sleeper hold.

And if I got that second win, he'd have went out. No. He'd have went out. You can't do a man like that. You've got to handle that in a better way. I believe so. And actually, I thought Will was coming up to joke with him. Right.

The way it looked, it looked like he was going to come up and joke with him. Because Chris said, here come Richard. Like that. You know what he said? Here come Richard. He thought he was joking as well. And Will cocked him. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And he apologized later. And I never met Will. Don't get me wrong. And all the things I ever heard about Will was great things. Right. I've heard great things about him. But when I saw that, but, and I never met Will, don't get me wrong. And all the things I've heard about Will was great things. Right. I've heard great things about him. But when I saw that, woo, woo, even the white people were like, oh, no.

Right. We don't do that at the Oscars. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Right. And he lost a lot of money behind it. Right. Of course.

He lost a lot of money behind it. But I'd have had to come out that suit, play out. You know, if I had that tuxedo on. So you don't worry about it. So you don't worry about it anymore. Because, like I said, you do chop it up with the crowd. You get on what people are wearing, what their hair look like, what their shoes look like. So you don't worry about that.

No, not at all. Not at all. Man. See? Chris Rock, the special. What do you think about it? I like it, man. I didn't like they cut out the part with Will.

They showed it the very first time. Right. But then afterwards, they cut the part out with Will. They should let him tell the story. It happened. The whole world said it. It's kind of like they ban any books. They don't want to tell the history.

It happened. It happened. That's right. It happened. Because you cut it out, don't mean it didn't happen. I had a friend in Europe come and say, did he just slap him on stage? Because they saw it first at the time. He said, did he just? I said Right. On stage? Because they saw it first.

The time difference. Did he just? I said, yeah, it just happened. Show it. Let him talk about it. Right. And I think Will will come around. Right. I think he's going to come around and apologize.

When you got a woman that don't really like you, you got to. Hold on. Tell me. You're not the first man to say this. I'm on that. I don't really like you. Hold on. Tell me, you're not the first man to say this. I'm on there. I don't think she does. What the hell? How they going to be married all these years? At some point in time, you get.

I think she like the lifestyle. Now, who's she going to marry with that much money? Oprah? Oprah ain't going to have her. You understand what I'm saying? I mean, and then she's mean. Is she? Well, I don't know anything about it, so I'm just taking it.

Well, I don't know anything about it. I can'm just taking it. Well, I don't know anything about it. I can just see it in her face. For her to sit there. See, a real woman would have said, hey, don't get up and do that. Don't you miss this money? No, no, don't get up and do that. Talk to him after the show. Right.

She wanted him to go up there and do that. You know what I'm saying? And he did it. And then he yells out, keep my wife's name. You should have been talking to your wife when she be messing with the young boy.

Did I bring that up? I didn't mean to. Yeah, you brought it up. Yes, I did. I brought it up. I wasn't caring to worry about it. Oh, he might send for you. He can't slap me though.

I'm telling you, I put him in the figure four. First off, I would Ric Flair him. I hit him in the ass. You know, Ric Flair. When he do that, I'm going to the figure four.

I'm going to the fair. And the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the drink today is one of the most powerful figures in sports he's a self-made super agent founder ceo of clutch sports his agency represents over 200 athletes in multiple leagues he's negotiated over four billion dollars in contracts he's an entrepreneur a businessman and he's from the east side of cleveland to the top of the sports world his newest memoir lucky me a memoir of changing the odds rich paul i was a pretty good athlete i will say this and laugh if you want to i'm one of the best shooters though even still to this day and i take my chance if i was in the one of 450 i'd be Even still to this day And I take my chance

If I was in the one of 450 I'd be at the top There's guys like me Steph Klay Klay who? Thompson Who else is it going to be?

Dang Steph This man talk about He shoot like If you're talking If you're just talking shooting This is the class I'm in Y'all going down to the gun range?

That kind of shooting? No man Or you talking about about basketball into a rim trey darius garland i'm just talking about guys in the league right now that shoot the three really well i'll be amongst oh no i'm saying you i'll be amongst it we're having a good see we're having a good old interview i mean it was going well i really the story that you was telling because it's very similar to mine. But I'm talking about in terms of I didn't say dribbling, playing. I said shooting. That's all it said. The mere fact that you put in yourself Rich.

Well, if you're talking legends, you got to throw Reggie in there and Ray. It's all of us. My point is, you putting yourself in that group. I ain't got no problem with the name you mentioned. It's just the fact that your name is in there. In terms of of shooting i don't care what it is well yeah i feel good about it and i ain't drinking i'm not drinking no yak i'm drinking water no you should drink some more because you used to sober to be saying something like that i need

a reason why you said some bullshit like that i'm sorry why would you say some bullshit like that well i'm just telling the truth. Put it this way. You know, when two men got discrepancy, what's the next word? Bad. Exactly. That's all. That's all. Okay.

That's the only way for you to find out. I want you to tell the people what you told us before we came on here. I said, you play sports. You're like, you know, we'll get to that. He said, yeah, I'm football. I can run some routes. Go ahead. Yeah, I yeah, I'm football. I can run some routes. Go ahead. I was a good route runner.

I played every position, man. But I'm not saying I was the best. Because I'm the first to say to you, no, I was not the best on my team. I wasn't the best on any team I ever played on. But you know what I was great at? Leadership. Having perspective. Okay.

Right? Corralling the guys helping them understand the moment what needs to take place my practice habits i'm leading the leading the team when we run in the laps because i wanted i can respect that because i was expecting you to come out here and say yeah man i could if i'd have grew like another or six inches, I probably could have played in that field. No, we don't do no, but one thing about it, you got, we don't do no bunch of lying. We don't do no bunch of lying. Ain't no need to be getting on here talking about no lying. Cause all somebody gonna do is pull up the tape. So I don't need to do none of that.

No, I can't change the color of my skin and as tough as it is with the industry we make it even tougher on ourselves because there's still a competition and don't get me wrong when you when you going out recruiting clients yeah you're competitive so but there's but you're not speaking ill you're not speaking negatively on someone and that's the thing to the best To the best man with best man woman win the job. Yes So I'm not but I'm not gonna say oh this person is this that person is that to try to conjure up? So the the the the athlete feels some type of weight. Yeah. Yeah you a Provide this is what I believe

I'm the best man for the job that my agency and I think we can do the best job for you moving forward. And that's the point I was making when we talked about it when we did first take. The point I was making was, of course, I didn't expect white agents to help to try to help me. That wasn't even an expectation. Right. Right. But coming from where I came from, the gain was given by the older guys. Right. Whether you decided to digest it or not was on you. But I can't sit here and say that my coattail wasn't pulled to certain things to help me get through the day, get through the month, get through the year of survival.

So that's all I know. I only I got to give that back when I started that wasn't the case and I seen people online like oh well you didn't say that I'm like you're missing the point right did you reach out did you I mean I don't need to call any names but did you reach out to any agent uh when I first started the business I talked to everybody because I wanted to understand why are things the way they are and what I came to understand is ain't no different in the block every man for themselves that's just that's just that that that has been placed upon us from a thought process but what happens is when you

create those that psychology it stunts the growth it stunts the communication habits it stunts i should have came up under something that was already built right that's normally how it happens agency they normally come up in a big agency and then they branch out on their own you started differently you started out on your own i started differently i started at a place but i don't even count that because there was no education there there was no there was no plan for me to become who i am today but what i started to realize is oh you know we work in a small industry so things get back yes the only difference is the kid on the cover of that book in that environment when things get back oh we had to have we pulling up you get what i'm saying in this industry when someone goes and and and

speaks about you in a very derogatory way for two hours ain't that much to say now the business is the business competition is in all business, but when you make it personal, that's a different dynamic Like Prime said then you made it personal right but but we couldn't do that I you know, I it's not in me. I couldn't be trying to talk to a girl and mention Shannon We don't that's no go around. No, we don't we don't do that. And so but I'm in this game where I That's no go where I'm from. We don't do that. But I'm in this game where I left a game that was being played with no rules and no rest.

But you understand that. Yes. But in the corporate setting, there's rules, but the rest are assigned to the establishment in a lot of cases. I had to learn that. I had to learn narratives. I had to learn how media works. I had to learn that. I had to learn narratives. I had to learn how media works. I had to learn all these things. And I also had to learn that the smiles is not really the smiles, but I was used to that because I came from that.

So I was, I was prepared thoroughly for the position I'm in today. It's just that it's hard for me to respect it. That's all. I'm going to get you out of here on this one. And you're the closest to the story so you would know. What is with the vitriol of the older players towards LeBron? It seems like a lot of the old players don't want to give this younger generation the credit that they deserve. But it seems like a lot of the ire is pointed at 23 why do you think that is

it's really corny to me oh absolutely and i like i said you know and when you out there you deal with certain things it's it's it's layered in my opinion you gotta remember when lebron came in a lot of guys were still in their prime and all the attention turned to him in 2006 to all the attention turned to him. In 2006, all the attention, boom. $100 million contract. Real $100 million. Not that fluff that be going on today. I'm talking about a $100 million contract. Never drove an NBA basketball in the NBA.

They ain't never seen nothing like that. You know, Jay-Z sending a private jet when he's in high school. We going up to New York every weekend, every other weekend, whatever, when you could. You know what I'm saying? All these things. They wasn't. And so quite naturally in the neighborhood, you develop what? An envy.

It's much easier for you to be like, man, that's some cold, man. That's player. That's real player, man. I appreciate that. I'm proud of you. That's the hardest thing to do. The easiest thing to do is what they do Ah this you know you have and then now when you give that to a media platform and now it's even trickling down to some Of the younger players you just they purposely don't say his name in things

Oh, I played this because of these people. But again, everybody didn't always have the mama mentality. The mama mentality came after Kobe was really done. Then all of a sudden, everybody had the mama mentality. Because the mama mentality, everybody frowned upon it because they said he was a ball hog. Yeah, but when he was playing, because I was there, he wasn't hanging out with none of these guys. Do you get what I'm saying? I do. But I'm not surprised because I come from it.

I wish it was different, but I'm not surprised because I come from it. But what impresses me more is that guy don't do unto those what they do to him his doors always been open every time you see somebody man what's up show love etc even when there's there is it too nice because too nice because Jordan because Jordan gave the players he played it with it but he like I am fully which all Kobe really then put you gotta understand some familiarity breed disrespect and I tell him that sometimes they can walk past somebody don't even speak that make that person want to speak to you more if you speak to that person every time it becomes and that's

that's the treatment that he gets sometimes you get them saying they get on Draymond for being his friend it's craz craziness, right? But but but again, this is this is not about that's not an athlete thing. That's a people thing. And that's why I said what I said when we were talking on first take. We have to break those. I'm not going to do unto those others as they've done to me. That's not just not what I come from from because you don't want those habits created. Is the Jordan-LeBron debate ever going to end? It ain't going to end, but bronze will go. Jordan will go, but bronze will go.

And Steph Curry will change the game. One guy got gold horns, the other guy got platinum horns? Yeah. I got a little platinum in here, but it's like platinum and gold. And then bronze, all platinum. Lucky me.

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