Club Shay Shay - Best of NBA News Part 1: LeBron James CALLING OUT Jaylen Brown talking TRASH about Bronny, NBA sends their OWN Doctors to check Lauri Markkanen’s Injury

Episode Date: March 1, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the Best of the NBA on Nightcap as they react to LeBron James calling out Jaylen Brown over comments about Bronny James, weigh in on Anthony Edwards’ wild and unsettling hotel story in Memphis, and discuss Kevin Durant’s reported interest in suiting up for Team USA in the 2028 Olympics. Don’t miss Unc and Ocho’s unfiltered takes on the biggest NBA headlines. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - LeBron speaks on relationship with Jaylen Brown31:01 - Anthony Edwards on nasty hotels in Memphis41:05 - NBA sending out private doctors to teams?!59:33 -  KD wants to play for Team USA in 2028 (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Come for the sports. Stay for the stories. LeBron James spoke about his relationship. year with Jalen Brown. Let's take a listen. This was after yesterday's game, guys. Uh-oh. I think you just use the motivation of a lot of people just saying that they're going to have a down year

because of, you know, obviously J.T. being out. You know, them losing Drew. Al, you know, Lees, Prezingis, leaves. The whole championship team pretty much is kind of revamped. And he uses that motivation to keep them afloated, playing great basketball. And it's because of him and the rest of those guys, he's taking that next step.

You know, our relationship has been, you know, pretty respectful. You know, besides the shit, he said about Bronny at some of the other than that. Yeah, but other than that, other than that, you know, we've been all right, you know. We guys, you know. We got past that.

You know, we'll be all right. We'd be all right. Yeah, we'd be all right. I think he went on social media and said something about it. It wasn't, it's all good, but running got a long way to go, but that's another story, so. But the kid, I mean, let's say, J.B. is doing shit, he's playing great basketball, man.

And you can't even, you can't fought it. I don't, you know, this whole MVP thing. I don't understand why his name is not getting talked about some as well. Like nobody gave them a shot to start the season. And he's, what, 30? Yeah, just under 30. Yeah, just under 30. Yeah, it's a popularity contest sometimes. And that's dope. That's dope. That's how you answer a question as a true professional, despite some of the things that might have been said, you know, about your son, hey, our relationship, it's respectful. Right. I mean, most of the time, it's hard to gauge how someone truly feels,

especially when the cameras are in front of them because anything LeBron says, you know, it catches fire. So he has to be careful in any very media savvy in the way he answers questions. So based on what we just saw and what we just heard, you would think it was no problems at all. Despite some of the things that J.B. might have said, hell, when it comes to basketball, yes, he's playing well.

What is he supposed to say? He's playing bad because he's not. Even with J.T. out, he's the reason why the sales are doing as well as they're doing with the support and cash that J.B. has. Now, even with the stuff he said about my son, Ah? That's a whole different question

that he's not going to answer truthfully on camera. Well, I mean, he kind of got into it. But this is what I don't understand. Joe, help me understand. Yeah. Joe, you got kids. Oh, Cho, you got kids, I got kids. Yeah.

Let's just say, you got your son. He'll mess up. If a coworker says something about it, you're going to feel some type of weight. Absolutely. I don't know why people can't get that through their head. Right. At the end of the day, whether or not Bronny James is good enough to be in the NBA,

that's still his son. So imagine a lot of you guys out there got effort for sons and daughters. When somebody says something about them, you feel some type of way. Yes or no. It's a simple, it's a simple, yes or a simple no. Because I know I would feel some type of way

if somebody said something about my kid. That's still his kid. Absolutely. I don't know why people is true. It could be true. But if somebody says something about your kid, Are you going to be okay with that? Are you going to be saying, hey, they told the truth?

Your son go to jail. Your son get popped. Your daughter get pregnant as a teenager. You okay if a coworker, someone you know says something about your child. Are you going to be okay? No. But because it's LeBron James, y'all like, oh, he blowered it out of proportion. At the end of the day, the only condition, unconditional love is a parent and a child.

Yeah. Because you love your child regardless. It doesn't come. Well, in a relationship, well, as long as you don't, long as you take care of me, long as you don't cheat on me, long as you don't believe, and I get it. But a parent and a child is a different type of relationship than a relationship with someone that you start outside. And I don't know why people can't understand that.

And also, Joe, before you go, Uncle, and people to also understand. Now, even though it is your child, once you get and you reach that pinnacle of being an NBA player, sometimes even your peers were criticized not just your father but hell your son can get it too it gets to that point to where now you're fair game because now you're at the up echelon of

the childhood dream the NBA so therefore the criticized is going to come not just from fans hell not just from media but from your peers as well let me ask your question Ocho how old can your kids be before someone

can criticize them and you be cool with it. Oh, never that. You know, better than that. No, never that. No, no, no. Wait, listen.

No, that's not what I was saying. I was saying, understand what comes with the territory once that's that of said being in the NBA. That's all. I don't know.

But even if it comes with the territory, Joe, even though, even though, even though, it comes with the territory and we know. Yeah. It's the same thing.

It's the same. And people like, well, you said this about Russ. I've never played the music about Russ. I talked about Russ about the ill-advised shots, the costly

turnover, the Matador defense. And people try to compare me saying Russ was not playing good basketball. Russ isn't the same player that he once was as the guy that sent Russ wife and talked about Russ in the same breath. How is that the same? It's not.

All I'm saying is that look, yes, LeBron knows that there's some criticism that's going to come. They criticize LeBron and he just got more points than anybody in the history of the game. He's about to play the most games in the history of the game. He has the fifth most assists, nobody that's in the top 10, can even, nobody's in the top 20

comes close to LeBron as far as assists. Yeah. He understands that, but at the end of the day, there's still a place that's my child. And I'm going to protect my child. Right. It's just, it is what it is. And it's us that somehow, Ocho, I thought that's what we do. See, we're the only ones that feel bad about helping our child get ahead in life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do it all the time. Where Jerry Jones kids work at, Joe? Oh, Joe. With the Cowboys. What? You need to tell me your dad can help you get ahead. How many times have we seen that they help their kids get ahead?

But we're supposed to feel bad if we help our kids get ahead. Right, right, right. David, if my kids wanted to work in media, you best believe they got a job. And somebody might not have one, but they're going to have one. Hey, go ahead, Joe. Hey, listen, I think it goes back, you know, to the last time I was on here with y'all. Heavy as a head that wears the crown, fellas.

Absolutely. This is part, hey, look, this comes with the territory. Uncle, I know what you're saying. Yep, that's my child. And I'm going to defend him every chance I get. You say something about them? Because we're in a, we're in a funny stage to wear in hoops. We've never seen this combination before.

We've never seen a father, son, duo, teammates. Actually cross over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so we've never, yeah. And they're on the same team. Hello. So look, now we're having to deal with this in real time.

And obviously, you know, Brunney going to have people shooting at him. It's just what it is. He's LeBron's son. He's going to get everybody's A game. Every time he touched the floor, he got a target on his back. Yes. That's what it is. And he has to be aware of that.

And I just think, man, it's unfortunate. But I love the fact that LeBron gave Jalen Brown his props. It's flowers. Yeah. You know what I mean. Two things can be true. I didn't approve of what he said. But he's the MVP, Canada.

He played his ass off. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because they came in the L.A. last night and put on the show. It beat the brakes off of him. You hear me? Yeah.

Payton Pritchett. Oh, you still think you could take Peyton Pritchett? Huh? Hey, boy, a young boy, nice, huh? You heard me? Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, boy, Mr. Pritchett, nice, ain't he? Yeah.

Hey, he gets to that money on, Ocho. Yeah. And that's the thing. You look at him. Hey, you look at him, and he'll go, he'll go to a ruck apart and drop 30, a order on somebody here. Because they look at it at him,

man, this little white dude, they're about to do nothing. And he'll come up next day, you know, his team got 140 and he got 50 of them. Man, that boy,

he had 30-something last night off the bench. He came in getting straight to it. Also got, hey, look, I know we didn't give him their props, but Boston's going to be in the thick of them,

man. They've been looking good as of late. They've been looking good. I give you another example. The same thing what people say about magic. I had magic on the show. Yeah. And I was like, magic, when did you know that your son, that E.J.

wasn't going to be a basketball player. He wasn't going to play football. He's like, he's like, shop, you know, there were signs. We saw things that, you know, he didn't want to play with trucks. He didn't want to do things. And people want magic to disown his son because he chose a life that's different than what was a heterosexual man. Yeah, hell no.

Hell no. Magic say, hey, magic say, I believe in God too, but that's my son. Absolutely. Absolutely. If I got to, if one of my kids chose to live a different lifestyle, guess what? I take that up with God when I get up there with him. They ain't got nothing to do with y'all down here. Right.

Whatever God got his door for me and my child, I take it up with him once I get up there. Yeah, most definitely. I mean, obviously, you can't. That's one thing, regardless of what they choose. to be, it might be against your will. It might be against what you, maybe something you didn't want, Joe, uh-huh? Yeah.

Boy, I ain't disowning nothing. Now, whatever you decide to do, now what you're not going to do, if you're going to, if you're going to be whatever it is, whatever you identify as, you better be the best at it. Don't you embarrass me. Now, don't you half-ass it. Now, if you're going to be gay, you better be the best of gay out there. Be it.

Whatever you want to do, you better be the best at it. Don't embarrass you. Listen, listen. I don't know, hey, Joe, but I don't care what you're trying to do, but she better be one of the best at it. Because how many times, how many times, guys, have we heard, boy, that child can't do nothing wrong in his mom or dad's eyes. Boy, that child, hey, that child is terrible,

but mom and dad can't see, can't see no fault in their own child. Right. We've all been there. I'm like, damn, my kid really that bad? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They're that bad.

But I look, I agree with you, Joe, Joe, it comes along with the territory. What comes along with the territory that when you play a professional sport, they're going to come criticism. You're seeing from peers, being from the media, whatever the case may be. It doesn't make it any easier because a lot of times, Joe, you say something very interesting. You said, hey, they're going to go at him.

Well, if I can't get your dad, I'm going to tell your kid ass up. Yeah. Because that's the only way I get it. Because remember I told you, oh, the dude couldn't beat my brother, so he tried to get you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They could never do anything with LeBron.

So they go at, uh, uh, uh, uh, brawny. Absolutely. That's, that's, that's just the way it is. I had it in high school when playing sports. Oh, you started a little brother. Okay. Yeah, I'm his little brother. But don't sleep now.

Yeah. I'm going to light y'all ass up too. Yep, too. But I, but look, I think, you know what? You know what? closeness brings resentment. You see, Jordan didn't get this kind of resentment right because there wasn't nobody close to it.

Kobe didn't get this kind of vitriol because it wasn't nobody close to it. And one of the things that people say about LeBron is that what? He wants to be friendly. He wants to be like. Hey, I just, you know, the fact that you just said that

Jordan wasn't friendly, huh? Hell no. Nah. Kobe wasn't friendly? Well, I know Kobe wasn't friendly. And Kobe became friendly after he retired. Yeah. They didn't care nothing about having no friends.

No, and Jordan still ain't got a whole lot of friends. Jordan messed with like Oak. That's really the only dude that Jordan still rock with. Man, listen, Jordan over there, having a ball over that NASCAR. He said, I'm tired of having a ball over that NASCAR. He said, I'm talking to back-to-back racing. Dayton and in Hampton. He said, I'm tired of basketball.

I'm going to NASCAR. It is. But, no, no, no, no, no. Jordan, no, no, Jordan, no, Jordan didn't give a deed. Colby did. Colby did. He didn't care about nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hold on. Wait, wait, man, I'm confused. Let's separate the two now. I'm talking about on the court. I know they don't care. They don't care nothing about that. I'm talking about all the court either. Yeah, real?

Yeah. Some sharks, boy. Hey, hey, Joe, I mean, honestly, my personality, it wouldn't allow me to live like that. On the field, yes. Even on the field, I was fun, entertaining, but I'm gonna kill you. Like my mentality was I'm going at your heart as a player

But I can't have that same mentality off Like I got to talk, have fun, hang out But what's y'all doing? You want to go smoke? You know, whatever it may be. But the fact that they were really like that outside of basketball? They had a singular focus. Yeah, they couldn't all the time.

And they couldn't turn it off. They couldn't turn it off. Couldn't turn it, it doesn't matter. Look, if you're playing cards, if you put whatever you plan, they want to kill you in it, Ocho. That's just how it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Jordan bet everything. He's not going to do anything for fun. Ain't nothing, ain't nothing for fun. Ain't no shoot, no pool for fun. It ain't no playing no cards for fun. It ain't playing no golf for fun. It ain't nothing. He don't do anything for fun.

He wants to see how you work under pressure. Yeah. Everybody don't work good under pressure, Ocanocho. It busts, but he can make diamonds as well. Everybody don't work well under pressure. And it's even worse with the money in your pocket. See, if I believe, hey, we ain't got the money in the playoffs, Ocho, you know what I'm saying? But just imagine.

Just imagine you had to put the money that you received in the playoffs. You had to put it up. And then if you got it, if you won, they doubled it. They gave it back to you. So Joy, I'm going to put, hey, let's bet $50,000 on this hand. Huh? 50 what? Fifty five on a hand.

Yeah. Yeah, bye. That's the only hand you're going to get it. Bye. Right. Um, Joe, Mark and told the story. Dude had money wanted to bet Jordan $100,000. It's flip for it.

George said, I ain't got a whole lot of time. Let's flip for it. You call it. And I know, he said, no, I'm good. You're okay? I ain't got a whole lot of time. I'm in a bit of a hurry. Go ahead and call it.

Flip for it. Hey, hey, he, dude, love to gamble, man. He loved to gamble. Anything that's competitive. Yes, yes. And I think that's how him and Oak bonded, because Oak love to gamble. They love cars.

They love playing bourette. They love playing goods. Joy, I mean, Joy, they love that. I ain't got it, Ocho. Hey, I'm telling you, boy, you make mistakes, man. Yeah. Because there ain't no chips. They got real cash stacked up there.

Yeah. See, like, when you got a chip, Ocho, you don't look at, you don't see it, sometimes you don't see it as money. Right. But when you actually got money, you got 50, 100, 200,000, quarter of a million on that table? Ooh, we. Yeah. Man, stop.

You hit a little different. I can't, hey. I can't even fathom. I can visualize and what you're saying, but I can't fathom sitting at a table with $20,000 and chips. 100,000, 50,000 in chips. I mean, I mean, where they do that at? I mean, I understand people do it because they have, you know, they're very, you know, their vices, but man.

Hey, Joe, when I go to Vegas, $100 is my limit. Maybe $200 on the blackjack table, $25 table, Joe. You ain't as far as I'm going. You ain't winning nothing with that. Hey, Joe, it ain't, I like the small win, Joe. They're going there with 100 and leave with 400.

That's a win to me, Joe. I know it ain't, it ain't, it ain't move the needle, but just the fact that I don't gamble, but I will try it every blue moon. I only go to Vegas, maybe once, twice a year, Joe. That ain't bad. That's not an addiction. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't play. I call that circumstance. I just happened to be there. Right. You don't gamble, uh, in Vegas? No.

I hadn't actually been to a table and probably sat at a table probably in 20 years. Damn. No, no. I'm, I come to Vegas now. I'm going to get a little gambling.

And I ain't going to, if I lose $1,000, I'm done. That's my limit. Okay, Joe. Okay, Joe. Okay, Joe. What are you playing in quarter slots?

No, I'm playing, uh, I'm shooting craps. I might play a little blackjack, but I ain't going too crazy. Excuse me, yeah, you see, you try to, you're the same kind of gamble. You want to load up on the six and eight. You're going to try to.

Hey, look, but hold on, why y'all are playing, though. I was staying at the wind one night, and I won $27,000 with this little playing blackjack. Ooh, Joe. 27,000? Shooting $1,000. Three card poker? I was shooting dice on the crap table.

Oh, you're, okay. You were a crap table. I was on the dice. No lie. I was on the dice probably about 35, 40 minutes. Yeah. And, uh, man, I had built it up until I had about 4,500 on almost every point. And I just kept rolling.

So listen, hold on no. When I won, when I had initially won $29,000. So once I won that, I started taking all my money off the board. I was like, you know what? I know I ain't going to be this hot too long. Yeah. When I fall off, when I fall off, I'm walking out the door. Right.

I took my money. I was gone. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is you bet you bet it the hard way. You bet, because it gives your odds, what? Eight to one, 10 to one, all of them, six and eight. Yeah.

So you get the hard eight when you roll four, four, you get a hard six, three, three. You get ten, you know, a five and five. Yes, sir. Five and nine. Hey, look, you just want to roll the numbers. You just want to stay on the dice. That's how you want to just roll the number. Just roll the number.

Oh, man. What? Killing him, Ocho. Hey, I bet if we being Burrne go to the table, we betting somebody crap out. What are we doing here? Like, bro, this ain't a team sport. I ain't, like, we're not team. I bet you crap.

You did. Not pay after dice. Hey, Ocho, oh, y'all don't play no poker or nothing? I play some holes. I used to, I used to play poker. I played in the World Series of poker one time. Did you really? I did.

Yeah, Joe, you'd be mad at me, Joe. You can't play no poker? Joe, I don't even understand the game, boy. Oh, man. Joe, I got to rely on the people sitting next to me when I'm playing blackjack and rely on the dealer if I don't have nobody there. Oh, man.

Well, you go to the wrong, you go to the wrong casino, they don't let you talk. You can't do that. Right, right. They don't let you talk. You can't talk. Oh, for real? I pay them out.

The only casino I go to is Vegas. You know, the hard rock right here down the street for me. I'm sitting there a lot of casinos. You got to win, you got R, you got R, You got hard while. I got the beach. Yeah, I don't know about them. You got the palms.

Hey, Joe. And that's a good thing, too, for me, Joe, is the fact that I don't understand all the games that are in the casino. Right. So there's really no interest in me wanting to play a let alone gamble. So not only am I cheap as hell, I don't understand the goddamn game. They got no way. In Blackjack, for me, I play a little $100, $200, $200, $25 games simply because I just know I got to get, I got to be the dealer. That's all I know.

Right. Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, look, look, I don't like the shoe. I like single deck or double deck. When they start getting to that shoe, they got six decks. I don't really. I don't really care too much for that shoe.

That shoe, man, that shoe have you messed up. The thing is about, but with Blackjack, one bad play can mess up the whole shoe. Man. And you just get your, you get your head bust for the rest of that shoe. Somebody take a car, take the dealer bus car. Hey, you mad at them on us. You start a fight over there.

That's why I don't really play blackjack too much. No, I said, don't he worry about it. That's why I picked my money going somewhere else. Because sometimes, man, I'd be feeling like they brought this dude in here to f the game up. Hey, man, I said, I ain't put the way. I'm like, oh, I'll go play blackjack. Sometimes I play a power guy, I play three car poker. I play crap, that's all I play.

No roulette. They play the shots. They just play slot machine. I ain't got time for that. You don't play the roulette? Well, you can just bet on the color. Hell no. No, no.

Uh-uh. On roulette? Hey, a roulette, that's the one in the table go around in the circle. Yeah. And they always, they say bet on red, right? You bet on what? I mean, you can read a red or black, but you're going to come out better bet in the number, though. I'm bad.

Yeah. I don't know. I'm good. I'm good. I don't like that. Hey, Joe, I don't like to bet no money where I'm not in complete control of the outcome. If I'm not in complete control.

Because the cars don't know you. No, I'm saying. You say the cars don't know you? No, I'm just saying in general. That's why I don't like gambling because the outcome is not in my control. And the dice damn show don't know you. Oh, we. Absolutely not.

Man. Absolutely not. But, uh, no, we got to go to bank. So, Joe, will you come out here? Because, uh, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to have what's it. I'm going to the, uh, I'm going to go with, uh, Dana. I'm going to go to the casino with Dana. Dan will be playing 100,000 hand, 200.

Oh. I'll be watching, y'all. What you think I'll be doing? I play 100, 200. Not no thousand. Hell no. Hey, I would love to be there just to watch that. Just to see it in person.

Just to see it in person. Again, knowing you got it, but you'll never do it, but see other people do it because they got it and can afford to lose it, I can't recruit. No, 200,000? You know how long I got to work to recoup 200,000, Joe? Man, hey. I ain't catching no touchdown, Joe.

Oh, man. Ocho, we had to go out there and gamble with uncle a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. How much are we talking? 10K. 10.

That boy ain't spending no 10K. Oh, shit. The devil is. Hey, Joe, I didn't have these same pants on for goddamn too much. You think I'm going to spend 10K? you know. Like, come, Hey, Ocho, we're going to hit them.

Hey, me, you and Joe go go to the crap table. It's just going to be us at the crap table by ourselves. Nah. Hey, we're betting all the points. I'm going to be on the dice. Because, you know, the common snake I will.

I call the dice before they start rolling. Hey, hey, and Joe, you know if they know we're coming, if they hear we coming, they're going to fix the table so we walk out of it with nothing. Oh, man. Come on. They're going to fix the table so we go ahead and they don't know we coming. Huh?

They don't know we coming. I bring my cash. We bring it to it. I bring my own cash. Hey, change them out for chips. Or you can say, hey, money plays? Hey, that's not a good idea. That's not a good idea.

Hey, say the house never loses. That's what I heard. Hey, you want two-month TV, Ojo. No, I saw the phone. Well, I saw the gambler. Hey, you saw the game, Smith. Yeah, I see the gambler. I seen it.

With Mark Warbur? I don't want that to be me. I don't want that to be me. You don't know when to stop. Now you're owing people money because you're trying to get yourself out of debt and get out the hole. I don't want to get beat up

because I owe the shark. No, no, no. You see what you call him, Matt Damon and Rounders, right? Ooh. It's Teddy KGB? He ain't seen that. I can't know anything about that.

Nah, what movie's that? What's that? It's a gambling movie. What's the name of? Teddy KGB. It's called what's called Rounders? Rounders. Rounders?

That must be over, huh? It is. It is. It is. But it's a good, it's a good-ass movie. It's good. Matt Damon and, uh, Edward Norton. Yeah, I like Matt Damon.

Matt Damon. He hard. But, uh, yeah, we come on out here. Let's get this, like, this, uh, Jalen Brown says, I feel like I'm the best two-way player in the world. Joe, do you agree? Is he the best two-way player in the world? Right now, yeah. I'm going to say, yeah.

Okay, Ocho. He makes it a point to, you know, own his matchup, night in and night out. And not only is he, you know, own it on defense, but offensively, he following it up with 30 a night, man. You know, I think he's playing extremely great basketball and rightfully so. He's in the MVP conversation. Man, there's still a lot of basketball left, Uncan Ocho. He's a dark horse in this thing now. He's a dark horse in it.

Yeah, I definitely think. Look, I always, I thought he was supremely athletic. The bounce that he has, he's worked on his game. You can tell that he's worked on his game. The outside shot is a little bit more consistent. Now the three ball is more consistent. He always had the ability to, you know, sometimes he get a little loose with his handles. Yeah.

But he's always had the ability to put the ball on the floor and get to the right. Absolutely. Because he has supreme athleticism. And you go back and look at when they won the championship, he took it, he took it serious. He took Luca. He said, no, I got Luca. 94 feet Yeah

84 feet That's his job His job Pick you up Wear you down So in the fourth quarter You ain't got no gas And he's still going

And that's how he's been playing Man Kudos to Jalen Brown Bro He's been fun to watch this year It's actually been fun to watch the Celtics Just

their whole team It ain't just been him Okay Ocho He got other guys Who gonna step up And they've been playing with Oh yeah Houser and Derek White

He's Miss White, Mr. White. They got a big down now, the meta, the big dude who were beating stuff up last night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man.

They got an, and Vucevic, like I'm saying, the more comfortable he'd get, the better off they're going to be, they're going to be right there fighting in the thick of things in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, yeah. You know, hey,

Jay B don't cut his hair. He ain't fooling nobody. Yeah. You don't let that base, you don't let that base you ain't go, that M-T. Hey, he didn't, you know, You know, honestly, Unganjo, you know, J.B.

Don't took it real serious. Obviously, with all the stuff, a while to talk about, you know, JT going down and how the Celtics weren't going to be the same. And he took all that talk personal because basically, y'all telling me, I can't carry no franchise, y'all telling me, you know, JT is the better player of the two, you know? So let me get out here and show y'all. I already had to deal with the bull crap when it came to the goddamn Olympics.

Now you're saying, I can't carry a franchise. Man, hold my beer. Right. Watch this. He's been showing up, he's been showing out, showing up and showing out ever since. You're absolutely right, Ocho. He's taking the challenge every night on both ends of the floor. Yes.

And he's done it at a very, very high level. And, man, I'm talking about every night he win his matchup. Okay, Ocho, he wins his matchup every night, which gives him a great chance to win. Yeah. Hey, Joe, how tall is JV? About six, five, six, six. That's it? Yeah.

I thought he was calling that. I thought he bought your height, Joe. Yeah, you bought six, about six, six. Joe, how's how do you here, Joe? I'm about six, eight. Yeah, I like, I like me, yeah, I like me going right round you, boy. Go right round who? Huh?

Hey, one thing I could do is slide D. Puppers, Ojo. Where I'm from, if you couldn't play defense home, boy, you couldn't get out there on the court. I'm trying to tell you. You hear me? Yeah. Joe, you can't slide no more, man. Hey, did your electric slide day is over, Joe.

Who? Back of the day, the electric slide? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. I know you can slide one way. I mean, how fast can you get back, you know, with your ladder of movement, Joe? Man, first off, your hounder ain't like that to be moving nobody side to side while you're talking about some. Man, stop it.

Stop, stop, stop. How you know, Joe? He got to cut it out, Joe. Stop the cap, bro. What are we going to play, Joe? I'm sick of this shit. Well, I tell you when we're going to play? We're going to line it up.

Hey, you in Atlanta? Yeah, I'm here right now. What's going on? Hey, listen, are you prepared to play right now? Because I can fly down for the week and chill? I told you, man. Can you give me at least to April? Hey, he's scared.

Hey, Ock, I got these spook. I got these spook. Hey, Joe, you scared, Joe? I need to April, bro. Can I have to April? Give me about four more weeks. Listen to, let me to me. Whatever you can do in April you can do right now, boy?

No. What are you going to say to help you, my boy? Not with me. Not with me. I'll tell you, boy, I'm a. Your knees gonna buckle, boy. Huh? You better to buckle up.

Ojo, we already know you, the big capo, man. Everybody know that, bro. Everybody know that? Hey, Joe, one thing I do is I compete, Joe, and everything I do, Joe. And, hey, I'm gonna compete and I'm gonna show up. Well, hell, you didn't compete when you're in New York. You know, oh, Joe. Huh?

In that big three all-star game. What about it? Listen, I, listen. That's what Joe was asking me. Let me tell you a second. I keep tied down and told you all a million times. in that big three, I ain't messing up nobody money, especially that much money in them boys bedding.

I let them take care of their thing and got my ass out the way, because I ain't paying nobody $20,000 to get in the way and show I can motherfuck-un-le-skew my language. Sorry about that. But Joe, boy, your ass grass, boy. Heavy is the crown, right? We'll see who be wearing it after we've done.

J.B. came in a Sunday game, averaging a career high, 29 points a game, seven rebounds, almost five assists. He showed up. two, Peyton Pritchard had 30, and they roll the Lakers. What your Lakers going to do, huh? Nothing. They can't play defense.

They can't guard anybody. You know they couldn't play defense last year? Yeah, they still can't. They can't rebound? They can't keep nobody in front of them. That's why I can't stay in front of nobody. They get beat off the first dribble. Oh, man.

Which compromise your defense for the rest of the possession. Once you get beat off the first dribble, you compromise the rest of the possession. It's a rap. You got us in the hucklebug. Now we're scrambling trying to catch me. It's over with. Somebody going to be open. Yes. It's sliding all over the place. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 IHeart podcast awards. Live from South by Southwest, March 16th, we'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world. Creativity,

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and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grips starting March 4th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Anthony Edwards say Memphis has dirty hotel rooms. When I go to Memphis, I'll be like, damn,

this ish be dirty. I walked in a Memphis hotel one time. It has stains and ith on the bed. Come on, man. They didn't clean the bed like that. Wait, hold on. You talk about the NBA hotel or just a regular hotel? Yes, because the NBA, you have to stay in a four or a five-star hotel if it's available.

Right. I know Memphis got some, like, some four seasons, some reds calls or something. Yeah, they got to have something nice. So maybe he just had one bad experience. That one bad experience, it could spoil a lot, especially if he said this out publicly, and this hotel can get bad reviews based on that one experience where a hotel worker decided

not to clean up the right way. Now they got everybody thinking the hotel dirty. They got four seeds of risk cards in Memphis. Yeah. Damn. You ever had that happen anymore? When you could see a hotel and it wasn't up the par? I'm trying to think.

Not to bed. Yeah. Are you one of those that check everything? You check the towels. You check the sheet. you look upon the stuff. I've never been like that. No, look, what I do, Ocho is that when I go somewhere, I take X amount of cash

and I always leave. When I leave, when I leave, they go people cleaning. I'm like, ma'am, I left money in the room. You clean it. That's all I say, just clean. I'm leaving for the day. They're going to clean that room. They're going to have extra towels.

They're going to have my phone cords, charging cable. They're going to have that thing folded up nice and neat. They're going to have the bedroom slippers right inside the bed. They're going to have extra water. They're going to do all that for easy little 30, $34. Boom. Every time I leave, when I come in or, hey, turn down service, normally when I've turned down because I don't want to lead the room.

Right. But every morning and when I leave to go, when I leave the hotel, I always do that. I always do that. You only give them $30? I give them $34. Yeah. Damn, huh?

I mean, you could at least made it $100. Like, let me, like a little hundred. You know, make somebody day? I guarantee that 30-40 make it. How many people you think in the hotel that they clean that they get money, they, somebody leave a till for? I mean, probably, probably not many. Exactly.

I mean, I'm just saying, you know. You don't leave nothing. Who? Ocho. I mean, I, man. See? I don't, see. He's going to tell chat.

This man tell me I need to leave a hundred. he leaves zero. Yeah, I'm, I'm... Chad, think about what he just said. Chad, think about what he just said. He said, Shannon needs to leave a hundred. I said, well, you don't leave nothing.

You write up. Hey, I had to pay for the hotel. The hotel charged me incidentals and you tell him I need to leave something for the... So you think I'm staying at the hotel for free? Yeah. You know, you're a rewards member. I ain't no rewards member

You're not? No Yeah Hey listen I tip when I go to restaurants though I mean that that's You know I ain't never thought about doing it at the hotel

I'm gonna try that next time I'm gonna try that Oh yeah Oh really We need to we did to go What's called Memphis to get some barbecue I gotta tell you for some barbecue Mm-hmm

No Memphis Yeah Memphis My might be tuned up for some barbecue Yeah Memphis known for that barbecue, boy. Yeah. Ain't Kansas City known for barbecue too?

Yeah. I mean, look, Texas, Texas, Tennessee, probably Kansas City, North Carolina. Mainly southern states. I mean, obviously Kansas City is in the Midwest. Right.

For the most part, you talk about Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, South, Southern states. Hey, it ain't nothing like, it ain't nothing like having no ribs, man, that fall off the bone, man.

And obviously... I love poor. I know we're going to get killed, Ocho, but I eat pork ribs. I mean, I, man, listen, I don't care what it is. I'm going to eat it. But you ever had Tony Romas? Pals. They're better restaurants, but I'm just...

Paul's, Ocho. You need to pause with that. What I said? You're talking about whatever it is. I'm going to eat it. Oh. We talk about food, though, huh? Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about.

Okay, pause. Pause. I don't know what you're talking about. But I'm... There are very, very good barbecue. places. But I just remember growing up in highly Miami Lakes, I always used to go to Tony Romas and the goddamn ribs fall right off the bone.

Yeah. Baby back ribs. Oh, my goodness. It was perfect. I haven't seen Tony Roma. I want to go to Charlie, but I'll like some dry. I want some dry rub ribs. Dry who? Dry rub. What'd that mean?

Huh? Why you said dry? Because it's a rub. It's a seasoning that they put on them and they're dry. Okay. You're not wet with sauce. Okay. Okay.

This man, here. Yeah, I ain't never heard that. Hey, your lingo be different. Like, sometimes you say stuff I'd never heard before. All right, Chad. Y'all see what I be going through, man. Y'all see what I be going through, Chad. My bad.

Yeah, well, tell me, to my, I'm in the Muslim reserves, Ocho. One week out of the month, two weeks out of the year. I don't eat no poke. Okay. Okay. I like that. But I eat everything on the pig except the squeal. Oh yeah, we got to go to destination.

Yeah, and Marietta, California. Yeah. The tendinism. Oh, wait a minute. Nah, we, didn't he take, didn't something happen with that? I don't know. Yeah, the tenderness dude he left, he got fired,

or the dude took the name, something like that. Yeah, the old man gone. Yeah, well, where we go? We'll find him. Yeah, we got to find him, man. Yeah, yeah, we got to find him, man. Yeah. He ain't in witness protection.

Yeah. Hey, he fell out. He fell out with the owner. After, you know, he, you know, he, uh, advertised and, and breaded and marketing his, his, um, his establishment, you know, dude, they fell out. Yeah. But, uh, we got, we got, hey, look, we're going to the county. We go, damn.

What is the, uh, don't they got a fair here? When is the, uh, the, uh, the Vegas thing? What did you say? What did you say? Oh, oh, by the Tennantism guy? Yeah. Oh, all. I don't know about the tender ribs.

All I know is that I see the thing is, and so I don't know whatever they fell out or he got a new restaurant. I don't know. I don't know, chat. So don't start me to line. Yeah. We're going to find him.

We're going to go. We got to go try that. Yeah. So. But, no, but we go. Hey, we go to a, it's a good old pork. I'm going to give some good old pork ribs.

I like, I like, I like, uh, uh, tips. Rib tips. Yep. Oh, yeah. I ain't a brisket, God, though. You like brisket? I eat everything, boy. I don't have told you by talking like that.

I'm talking about, let me talk about the real. I don't know what you're talking about. Chat, we can never discern what are he talking about. Hey, I'm talking about the ribs. I enjoy a little bit of everything. Here in Vegas, right? Okay. Yeah.

No, I don't want none of that. I don't want no sushi pizza. man you ain't fit to tell my stomach up sushi what sushi pizza yeah I already yes a less BBQ the guy to be cooking them

ox tails yeah I already ordered some of them I already order some of them and I had something sitting to my sister oh I'd be praying man I'd be ordered all kind of stuff

I'd be ordering cakes I gotta I gotta try that uh sweet and savory Atlanta or Sifana Oh, they don't send my brother cakes They don't send me cakes Oh, I buy stuff up there

If it looked good And you close or you'll send it Right Count me in They'll tell you I'll buy it Yeah, but I'll hit the marks tails They're expensive I'm not gonna lie

They're expensive But they're good They could They smoke got a nice smoky day They're like That side What? I got to try that.

Where that's that? Oh, yeah. That thing. Where is that? Yeah, Ash, tell me. Ash or eat it, chat. There ain't nothing. Look here.

Mikey, she is the female version of Mikey. Give it to Mikey. He'll try it. Hold on. That's a serial commercial. You said about Mikey from the serial commercial back in the day? Yes, that's Ash. Hey, that commercial was classic.

Yeah, that's Ash. But, no. No, but I. I haven't really had no experience like that, Ocho, with a hotel where, you know, you know, not like what Anne is talking about. No, no. Yeah, I've never had that. I never had that situation either.

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And I'm Greg Rosenthal. And this is 40s and free agents. The games may be over, but the NFL never stopped. This is my favorite part of the calendar. Yeah, mine too, Greg, free agency, the Combine, the NFL draft, Pro Days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future. This is where Daniel Jeremiah makes his money. On 40s and free agents, we break down every move that actually matters.

From my draft evaluations, mock drafts, and team fits. To my top 101 free agents and how real rosters are. built cap space, contracts, and all the tough decisions included. You got quarterbacks on the move? We got teams rebuilding. It's hope season. Yeah, absolutely. It's hope season.

We'll tell you what's real, what's noise, and what it means for your favorite team. Smart analysis, real conversations every week. I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and free agents on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Ready for a different take on Formula One? look no further than no grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the under-explored pockets of F-1, including the

astrology of the current grid. Lewis Hamilton, Crapicorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it? Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. The story of the sports most consequential driver strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out, and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career, a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He started getting all this attention, and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this, I'm better. And plenty of other mishaped scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent, dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no grips starting March 4th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaking of, the NBA is sending their own independent doctors to verify Lorry Marketing's MRI from an injury into practice today per NBA porter, Tony Jones. Joe, is this what it's come to? Yeah, because the NBA say, man, we ain't going. We ain't going. Matter of fact, we're going to send our doctors down there to see what's going on with these dudes because this ain't, this tank of stuff, man, and they got out of hand. And I think that's what the NBA think.

That's why they said we're sending our own doctors down at a check on Lori Marker and see what's going on. So, yeah, this would have come to. But the thing is, Joe, you know your body. I mean, the doctor said you've seen five, but no, my it's hurt. So what do we do? What do we do, Joe? I mean, most guys, I mean, a lot of times if it's something serious, they go get a second opinion.

They don't never take the guy's first opinion. I mean, you got something going on, Joe. I don't know if you missed any time during the season. But if somebody said, well, Joe, you got this. You're like, you know what, let me go grab that second opinion. Yeah. Yeah, you go get a second opinion for show. I guess this may be the second opinion.

I don't know, but the NBA say they want to know. They, hey, they're starting to investigate a lot more, man. It's been a lot going on. You see they just shut Jan Jackson down. He had to have surgery. He has a surgery for something. Joe, you mean to tell me you're going to trade all that, give up all those picks for a guy that you got to have,

they got to have surgery? What do they do that at? Think about what they gave up to get it. And now you get a guy. Now, he played a couple of games going off, and then the fourth quarter you see him. Lauren Markler was going on, see him in the fourth quarter. NBS said, man, y'all full of cockaw.

That's why they send them people down there. Yeah, we ain't, we ain't trying here out of that. Yeah, yeah, we're going to be able to determine this here. Hey. Yeah. And you see the NBA and say, you know what? Ain't no more lottery protected. Y'all want to take, you do the game with the picks,

let somebody land them top three picks. Somebody got it. Because you know how to go, top three protected, top five protected, in bed, say, hell now. Ain't nothing protected. Listen, because I think, I think Utah can still, I think they can get the number one. Yes, they can.

And I believe if they get the number one pick, they're taking the bonzer. That's what I think. I think for whatever strange reason, I feel like he's going to stay in Utah. Yeah. I don't know why. It's just. So I get it.

I mean, I think the thing is that when you play, and it's like they're playing too many games. Well, damn, okay. Too many. I'm sure the NBA won't have a problem cutting the game, but they want to cut that pay too. So because the players won't, oh, Cho, is that they won't less game,

but we still want to make $70, 80 million. It may say, oh, no, hell you're like. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we need less games, man. It's been like this since, as long as I can remember. 70. As long as I can remember. And I've been a lot longer to both of you.

So as long as I can remember, Joe, they played 82 games. Hey, listen, them do, them dole playing in Chuck Taylor's and in, in, in converts out there. They didn't have technology. Shell toes. They didn't have the, like Joe said, the shoe technology, the eating technology, the training technology, the medical equipment technology, the medical equipment technology, the doctors, everything is so much more advanced. So can you imagine? And like, if you look at track and field, when these guys were running these fast time

with just regular shoes. Yeah. Just imagine that they had those carbon fiber shoes and they had these Mondo tracks like they got right now. Mm-hmm. Man, you say both about a man, nine, three. Yeah. I ain't no tell how far a jump in a jump.

He jumped 60 and a half feet. Bob Beeman when he was 29, two and a half of the altitude in Mexico City. But they don't have no technology like they got now. And I'm not saying athletes, but when you're not, you know, you combine athletes getting better and technology right alongside it, you got the perfect storm. Yes, sir.

Hey, look, I kept me a fresh pair of orthotics in my shoes. I did too, Joe. What? A pair of who? Orthotics. Orthotics. Okay. He had that, Joe?

Nah, yeah, uh-uh. I had them. Hey, hey, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, Joe, I had, uh, obviously I was a rebark during that time. I had them take all the lining out my shoe I had no support Why is that? So basically, because I need to feel the floor You know what I mean, Joe?

You ever had on a track spike Or like a waffle shoe? Yeah That's what I wanted my cleats to feel like I need to feel the floor Every time I step and touch it when it's time me to break down I don't want no support I don't want nothing restricting my ankle

Damn Yeah, it's weird I got to feel the floor I don't know it's weird Again, you used to get taped. Oh, yeah, I got tape directly to my skin. My bad, hell not. I look at these guys right now.

I look at the Montevattahs. That man out there playing with no, he played out there with footies and no tape. I say what? Yeah, same, same. And only time I put on tape, Joe, it was more for, like, fashion. It wasn't, you know, for my ankles and done. It would just laid on there.

because I wanted to make sure everything was able to roll and be real smooth. It was weird. Oh, Joe, I had to have some tape. Yeah. I had to be tape. Real? Had that pre-wrap jumping.

Nah. Yeah. You can't feel nothing, Joe. I need to be secure. I'm, I'm, boy, my ankle roll, my ankle bone be on the ground. Oh, no. Oh, Joe, you got to say, I was a hard planner. I'm talking about, I'm, I'm talking about, I'm talking about,

I'm not like you, Ocho, under 200. That's 230. Getting moving and having to stop on a dime? Oh, no. Right, right, right, right, right. I forgot, Ocho, a little dude. He wouldn't understand. No, Joe, Joe, don't do that, Joe.

I had a little size of him when I were playing. Hey, Joe, if you take my cleat, right? If you take my cleat, you get bend it like this. Oh, no. Oh, no. You could fold it. But if it felt just like attracts you, I just had a cleat bottom on the bottom. Nope.

Man, Joe, I had mold skin, you know, one of those strips that you put up there like that, and then I had the mold skin taken around directly to my ski. That's where I had. Hey, listen, I needed mine to feel secure, Ocho. I'm telling you. Man, listen, I ain't played, boy.

I used to get heavy tapes. I didn't get it like that for practice now, Ocho, you know, I just go out there with pre-wrapped and regular tape. Right. When it came down, right, right, right. I go out there for warm-ups with directly, like practice tape.

As soon as I come back in it, I take that off, all right, let's get it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't understand how people wear angle braces on. They put, they tape up their shoe, then they put on the angle brace, then they put their shoe on. That's live with like, everything, everything is restricted. I'm like, like, what are you doing?

It made no sense to me, but it made people come from. That's a line with line with, line with tape up all that stuff. Cause you know, them line, but they have, they have on high tops, you know, they have, but but they do, but they have the, they have the, they have the, they have the, they have, they rubber bottom shoes on show they don't do studs most linemen don't do studs right we I play with a Zim he's the only officer lineman ever seen wear low tops you're real I'd never see the office in no spare is it meant is it mandatory to wear knee braces if you align in college most guys if you wear a knee brace you've had a knee injury like you look

at Brady Tom Brady I'll be scuba Tom Brady Peyton Manning, John. John played his career. John never had an ACL. He tore his ACL in high school, and they removed it. So he didn't have an ACL at all. Damn.

When I first got there, he didn't used to practice with a brace. No, as a matter of fact, he really didn't, he didn't practice with a brace. He only played in a brace, but he practiced without it.

But most of the time, Joe, if somebody's had a special lineman, offensive linemen, they'll continue to wear it. quarterbacks are wear it. Tom Brady, once he tore his knee, I don't think Brady ever took the knee brace off. Peyton, you know, guys like that, yeah. I mean, I could imagine a skill position player, playing with a big old Dunjoy-O. No, I couldn't. But I noticed a lot of them linemen dudes. I know they'd be because they always get rolled up on. Yeah, exactly. I think in college it might be mandatory.

Most college teams have all their offensive linemen wear knee braces because of that what you said, Joe, they get rolled up on. But yeah. Nah. Damn. But no, I don't know how y'all do it. I'll be looking at them guys in amazement with no tape. I'm like, man, that must be real. I do too.

I could do it. And in football, hey, I'd be thinking the same thing because in football, especially the way they be tackling the receivers and ones who'd be out there with them little no-show socks on. I'd be like, man, how did this dude? It's like every play. It's almost a career in they play. Bad.

And especially because the hip drop. That's what got me, Ocho, taping my angles like that because guys were hip dropping you. Yeah. And see, right then, they didn't call the high ankle sprain. They just called it an ankle spray. And so you're like, man, this thing taking forever to heel.

This ain't no typical. Ever to the heel, yeah. And I never rolled my ankle. Like, most people roll the ankle over the top. Roll it like that. Yeah, yeah. I rolled it in. I rolled mine in because I got dragged down from behind

on you like that there. Mm. Damn. Damn. I know that job. But that must have been real nice to be able to run no tape, Ocho. Huh?

That must have been real nice. And that, you know what? Honestly, for me to be able to do that, playing at that level, as quick and as fast as I was, it all had to do when I was little, running around with no shoes on. I could not play throw up tackle in the street. You know, you play freeze, you're in a car coming, you know.

Yeah. always either had on socks or I had on no shoes. So I needed to be able to feel the floor even once I made it. It's weird. But you didn't, but you played in molded bottoms. You didn't play in studs though, did you? Oh, yeah, molded. I don't play no studs.

Even when we played the Steelers, remember how the Steelers purposely had that bad feel for as, as an advantage to them. I still wore, I still wore, I still was a, I still wore, I still was a, I never slipped, I never slipped. I'm always over. What's the word I'm looking for? I was always over. Oh, yeah.

Oh, the ball of your feet. And I never, yeah, I never extended. I never extended. Or play. Oh, you're playing on your inside foot and slip like, bro, you know it's wet out here. You're trying to play it like you're trying to speed cut like it's dry. Yeah.

Drop your hips and get on put that way. Don't, put the guy start skating, put the back of the foot down, Ocho. Mm-hmm. See, man. But my first, my first, I think my first, like, 10 years, Ocho, I wore molded. And then I went to the speed TDs. Speed TDs.

Yeah, that's what they're actually called tempo bottles. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know you're talking about. That's what they called with a nice boy. Hey, so how often did y'all go through like different shoes? Every week. You play a new player every game? Yeah, every week.

So what I would do is that I would wear a new pair of shoes on Friday to get them broken in, and then I would play in them. Then I would practicing those Wednesday and Thursday, break out a new pair for Friday, playing those on Sunday. Yeah. I like new shoes. I hate it when my shoes that two broke in. Oh, hell.

I play so I probably played in a new pair of shoes like every three games on Hannojo. because I hate it when they got too broken and too loose. I like my shoe to be snug tight. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I was going to say, you play a new pair of shoes, but I think George played the new shirt shoes every game. Yeah. Yeah.

Damn. Man, man, you know our new shoe, brand new shoes hurt your feet. You know, Chade said it hurt like brand new shoes. Yeah. You remember when you were the kid, Joe, your shoes too small, you hit the bottom of your heel, trying to get the toes down from the house, God. Oh, yeah.

But I hate that. I hate that. That's how I got that. That's how I got this whole hamletoe I got over here. For one and two of the shoes. Yeah, you know you can go get a little surgery for that too now. Nah, I ain't heard, man. I'm playing.

It took me through my whole professional career. Ain't no need to take this over with. Jose, he didn't get no surgery unless he have to. What? No voluntary surgery? Cosmetic surgery? Oh, I don't know how many. look, I don't know how many times I ever been under that knife,

but I didn't been under it quite a few times. It ain't pretty. I ain't never been under that, Joe. That's probably why I'm suggesting it, my bad. Hey, man, look here. I had broke my collarbone and it almost broke the skin, so I got a knot right here. Ah!

I said, man, do you know how paying for that to be the file bone down? I said, there ain't bothering nobody. Who is hurt? Right, right. And if I don't, I don't really walk around. I ain't at the beach. I ain't walk around with no shirt off.

there ain't nobody gonna notice it. And like when I do a photo, they just switch it to the opposite side. So if I'm facing this side, they'll take the bone and put it on this side so you won't even notice it. Okay, I see what you mean. Okay, okay.

Yeah, man. Nah, hell, nah. One of that knife ain't no joke, boy. I got 18 screw three plates in my face, man. Oh, yeah, I'm breaking my orbital. Damn, but you got elbow, Joe? I went up to dunk the ball and Stackhouse tried to block it

and he kind of bodyed me and I slipped off the rim, hit face first. Ah. I saw that guy happen to a guy in high school. He tried to dunk the ball and the guy undercut him and the first thing was hit was this.

Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, I was in bad shape. I was in bad shape. And how much time you had to miss, Joe? We was in the playoffs. This was the first round. It was the first round

of the second round of the playoffs. And that was the first game. Damn. Man, I missed the rest of that series. I think we beat them in sixth. Right. I was out about two weeks. And that was early.

I came back early. Whole eye with bloodshot red, you know, just from the surgery and all that. Right, right, right. It took a minute for their readiness to get out of my eye. Hey, you had the mask on. Yes, I had the mask. I had the mask.

I still got the mask. I still got it. Batman Joe, whatever. I'm talking about. Well, you can't breathe in it. You can, that was back in 2005. You couldn't breathe with that mask on. I had to have a thing.

You had to wear one. I was block, I was blocking down, doing a combo block, power block. Oh, six, 16 power, I'll never forget it. Limeon come around pulling, fist go right through my face mask. Bob. Damn. Fracking my orbital. Yep.

I don't know about you, but mine, that one hurt. Man. Hey, I remember, I was laying on the, there, I had my face hand like this here. I was like, oh, man. And Greek, I heard it. Steve Antelabans. We call him Greek, though.

He got Sharpie, what's wrong? I said, Greek, it just felt like my face exploded. Ah. So he said, let's, you know, hey, can you get up? I said, yeah, but I don't want to. Hey, listen. Man, that thing was hurt, no, Joe. So they got me there, and free to.

Had a complete, had a complete blow out the floor. Because your eyes sits in a socket, the whole floor. Yeah. Ooh. I know I was in pain, boy. I'm telling me, I would tell him, give me morphine, give me something, man, y'all got to give me something.

No, I didn't want nothing. I don't do the pain medicine, because the pain medicine have you constipated. Oh, I had the, oh. My head, listen, listen, I came down here, my head on the floor, so I don't know if it was from that. Yeah, probably. My head was ringing so bad.

Yeah. Yeah, and you know, like, once something like that happened, they don't want you to fall asleep. No, yeah. Yeah, they keep you up. That would just say, you know, you okay? Don't fall asleep. I said, man, as soon as I get home, I'm going to be.

Right. You're going to be. Bad. Oh. No, that thing. I don't. I think my orbital, I think my orbital was more, more, more painful, but I don't know. Maybe I dislocated my elbow too.

Cause you see how my elbow bent like this, it bent like that to the other one. So it's bending like this, it bit like that. It bent like that the other way. Damn. Yeah. What the hell happened? Try to catch a pass.

And Romo had my arm. I couldn't get my arm through. So I landed. He landed on top of me and bent it up. Oh, God. That's what I said to. I had elbow surgery. I had elbow surgery too.

I had elbow surgery too. I had three, I had three chip bones in my socket. And I woke up one morning, my own was stuck like this here. I couldn't, I couldn't. Oh, you had loose bodies. You had loose bodies in there, huh? Oh, man.

Yeah, Dr. Andrews got me right over there. Al-Balbabel. Yeah. He died in Mobile or Montgomery. Uh, I think he had. Birmingham, yeah. I think so. God damn, boy, y'all,

and y'all been on the table like the video, like the little operation, you know, remember the, hey, remember the game, Joe? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, oh, Joe.

But y'all had everything done, what? Joe, Kevin Iran says he would like to play for Team USA when his team suits up in 2028 in L.A. Katie said, you guys, the media have projected that narrative. Where did the last damn thing come from? I didn't say that. I wasn't playing. LeBron said he wasn't.

You didn't hear that for me. I've got to stay on top of my game. I'm not expected. I want to produce on the floor and make Grant or whomever is making the decision, want to put me on the team. I don't want to just, not just seniority. I want to still prove I can help the team win. Katie makes the team.

He would be short a couple of, I guess what, a couple of months, show I should have turned in 40. Because if LeBron were to play, he'd be 43, and Steph would be 40. You said make the team. What do you mean make the team? No, I'm saying if you were to play, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Yeah, he's going to, uh, hey man, look, for the love of the game, bro, Like, the dude loves to play, Uncle Ocho. They can say whatever they want to say about him. He enjoys playing the game, and every time he steps on the floor, you know what you're going to pretty much get from. Now, if he's still healthy at this point, still playing at a high level, yeah, I would love to see him out there as well playing with some of these young guys

to help lead the charge. I mean, every time he's played on the USA team, whenever it has been, he's always showed up and showed out. Yep. I can see that. Four gold medals. What do you be 40? A couple of months shy of 40.

Yeah, he'll be able to do it, man. He'll be able to do it. Because here's ESPN predicts the 2028 Olympic team. Cooper Flagg, Khan Kineppel, Jirling during, Armin Thompson, Scotty Barnes, Cade Cunningham, Anthony Edwards, Chad Hongerman, Jalen Williams, Tyrese Halliburton, Bam out of bail, Jason Tatum. I don't know, Joe. I don't know that team bringing the gold back.

I like Cade and A.E. At the 1 and 2. Mm. I like, I ain't going to lie, boy, I like Khan Kniepo. I ain't going to lie. Okay, Ocho. Oh, you let that thing go. He's going to shatter that rookie three-point record.

Oh. I mean, he's going to put, this mothold might have 300 threes. Man, listen. Hey, I'm talking about he's shooting a blood out there, ball. You're me? Oh, yeah. He could go, now. I like the, man, Thompson kid.

I like during. I like the scene. I like the scene. I like what you don't like about it. Is it the bigs that you don't like? Got to be big. Who's going to do something with Yoke? Who going to do something with Wemby?

Owee. Because Bam, going to need some help down there, him and chip. Yeah, absolutely. Would Bam, would Bam be considered undersized big? Yes. Like a tweeter almost. Like Power 4, Center. You can play both.

Yeah, he like a hybrid because he can handle the ball, Ocho. He can initiate your offense. He can pass, he can playmate. He can do a little bit of everything. Bam, like a little wild card. I like having Bam in that. Yeah.

But what, hey, who is it big in general that can go in? We ain't really got no big Americans. Yeah. Nah, not no bigs who can guard. Not no traditional big. Right. Stretch it. That's what charity is.

The traditional big wouldn't work in today's game anyway. Well, obviously, you got to have somebody that can bang with yoke. Okay, okay. You've got to be able to bang with him. You've got to be able to keep him off the glass. You got to make him work on the offensive end. Right. Because he's going to get his.

And the problem that you have with him is that he gets everybody else involved. Hey, Taylor might say damn that. Yeah, y'all ain't played me like that. He might say damn. Hey, hey, Joe, I see a name that they don't here, average of 29 points a game and then the MVP discussion. Jay LaBrowsey, kick rocks. You say, first of all, he said,

Yeah, how they don't have them on here? That's crazy. You say B-HPD, disrespect to being closed by a Vittown? Oh, man. That's crazy. I can see KD playing. I don't think Steph was.

I think that was, Steph was all in on that one. Steph said, look, this is my first and last. I'd have brought the family to Paris. Hey, we're good. We got the gold medal. I'm good. Hey, and the performance that Steph put on?

Shoot. I wouldn't go back. You'll never forget that. Yeah, I wouldn't go back. That's the greatest Olympic in a game ever. That was classic. Man, listen. I wouldn't go back and mess with that.

I wouldn't go back and mess with that. I wouldn't either. And when he shot that, I mean, he shot that thing, man. And he just, that way, way. I'm like, God. Hey, hey, he shot that thing with somebody not only draped on it, but he had Katie and LeBron to his left wide open. Mm-hmm.

He didn't know. He said, hey, he said, if y'all wanted to shoot it, y'all have never passed it to me. Because you're not getting it back. Right. Hey, I said, what? Oh, my God. They put on the performance, boy.

Hey. Man, because you know, hey, man, you know everybody licking their chops on us, Joe, don't you know, you know, Canada want to try to get their lick in. The serve want to get their lick in. Greece, with Yonis, want to try to get a lick in. Yeah. Slovenia, where, uh, uh, uh, um, Uh, Luca.

Yeah. And listen, they, they, they're waiting, too. Hey, and Germany. Remember Germany to beat him in Fibo a couple of years ago. Yeah. And, and, uh, little Schroeder. Schroeder, he's a different player. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. He's nice. He's nice. He's nice. They got their work cut out for him. They, because they got a big target on their back. Big target. I don't know.

Maybe, maybe, uh, Joel and B to be healthy enough to want to play. Nah. Hey, listen, I get, I get Joel and B. my knees, man. If I can give him my knees, man, just to get him, just to get him healthy, get him running up and down that court man and doing what he could do for the Olympics, he could take my knees, man. And then, you know, French, the French definitely what they, Wembe, Wimby, say he already he already looking at the 28th.

You hear me? The Wembe say he already, when he said, I'm looking to get my lick back in 28. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be a good one, man. The world has caught up to us, fellas. In basketball. Yeah, from a talent, talent perspective, they ain't scared no more, Uncle Ocho. They ain't scared.

Playing under those rules? Playing under those rules, those feeble rules? Oh, yeah. It's a whole different game. They could knock the ball out the rim and all kind of foolishness. Yeah. It's going to be a tough one for us. We'll pull it out, though.

Speaking of that, Kevin Iran also spoke about the narrative that the world is catching up the team USA. Katie says, all I hear is AAU is destroying the game. The Euros do it right. while the Americans do it wrong. It's a lot of bulljive with that. I can read between the lines. It's a shot at black Americans.

We're controlling the sport. They're tired of us controlling the sports. France is coming for y'all. Really? Man, we smack them boys. Right. Man, Katie, you got to come back in now. Yeah.

Hey, I like the energy. I like the energy, fellas. Hey, listen, because I'm with him on that. Man, listen, we the best. I think, has the world caught up? Yeah, but I think guys have kind of got a little bored with this for whatever reason. But we got, we got to get back to dominate, man.

We got to get back to dominate, fellas. I'm saying from top to bottom, it ain't no teams better than us from top to bottom. Okay, Ocho. No, but when they first started, they might have four or five players in the NBA. Every team that sends somebody to the

Olympics, they got NBA players. Yeah, you're right. So that's the difference between now. No, nobody has the depth that we have. It's just like the American sprinters. Nobody has the depth when it comes to 100 meter sprinting, 200 meter sprinting, nobody got that depth.

Right. But they got a couple. Yeah. I mean, you heard what you just said? A couple. I don't think they have enough. But, Ocho, but here's the thing. When they played in 92, you couldn't find a foreigner in the top 25.

Right. The top seven, eight players in the NBA currently are foreigners. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the game, the game is evolved. They have evolved in general. You know, they've gotten better, whatever it is that they do in their ecosystem and having kids go through whatever type of train they do. Now you have more players in the NBA that are foreigners. But I still think as a whole, collectively as a group, they will never be able to dominate us, especially at said craft, especially in Olympics. Yeah, well, they don't beat us before. So once you get beat, once you get beat, it's hard to keep them wolves off. Once them hyenas found out they could take down to Cape Buffalo, it's hard to protect them calves. It's hard, man.

Hey, them boy, them group of names you just put up, even though we ain't got no big, they ain't letting us down. I shall hope you're right, don't you? That means your perimeter, your perimeter guys got to be licensed. They got to be on point. They got to be on point. I like that con can'tipal for the simple fact he can shoot three. You got to have somebody that can be a knockdown three. You got to have a couple of those guys.

Yeah, because you're going to have guys who can go off the bounce, who can create opportunities for other guys, and you just want them other guys like Khan Knappel to be able to knock down shots. Man, I watched him play Ocho Khan Knapple. He only really looked like no NBA player. But when I'm talking about getting him, it done. Oh my God. The boy out there getting it done,

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