Club Shay Shay - Best of NBA News Part 1: LeBron JOINS the SIXERS! + NBA INVESTIGATING the Bucks + Giannis ALREADY praising Erik Spoelstra

Episode Date: August 1, 2026

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Starting point is 00:03:01 ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't miss a single episode of nightcap. That button right here. Come for the sports. Stay for the story. Joe Ocho, the NBA is investigating a four-year $64 million deal between Gary Trent, Jr. and the Bucks for a possible salary cap circumvention. Trent is set to receive a significant pay raise in a multi-year contract despite having some of the lowest production of his career.
Starting point is 00:03:29 He averaged eight points a game, shot 39 percent during the 25-26 season. his lowest average since his rookie year when he played 15 games of the rookie in Portland. The NBA is looking into the contract as the lead collective bargain agreement contained the clause against prior agreements. Joe, first, Kauai, now this. What's going on?
Starting point is 00:03:48 Even more fishy is paying him when they already had a crowded backcourt, Ryan Rawlings, Tala Hero, Kevin Porter Jr., and they drafted Braden Burries with the 10th pick. So what's really going on, Joe? I ain't going to lie. It is a little skeptical.
Starting point is 00:04:03 I can old show. but hell i just seen kirk cousin hell did they investigate him did they investigate kirk cousin of all that money he'd be getting damn hey listen it's very it's very unfortunate for the young man i think he's still gonna get his money but yeah man i think coming off his work season since his rookie year unkocho i don't know what the wimps he had fell out completely out of rotation so what do you investigate no yeah i that's the problem i don't It seems to me because remember, when he left Toronto and came there, they only had $2.3 million. He took that.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Yeah. So they're saying you had what they're surmising based on this contract when you fell out of the rotation. You had your worst production since your rookie year, which is $18, 19. And you signed four years, $64, $16 million a year. And you had your worst production. And you fell out of the rotation. Yeah, but hold on. When they investigate,
Starting point is 00:05:07 exactly who are they investigating? Are they investigating the team or they investigating the player? The team. No, they're investigating the team. And if they find some funny business what going on, they're going to nullify the deal.
Starting point is 00:05:22 They're going to avoid the contract. The same thing they deal with Joe Smith. Joe remember what they did to Joe Smith? Yeah. They had a handshake deal. Yeah. That Joe Smith took the minimum. He had a handshake deal
Starting point is 00:05:32 that he was going to sign this big contract. Somebody, if I'm not, mistaken, got fired in Minnesota, and he went and told David Stern what they had done. Yeah. David Sterr said, I got something for y'all ass. I got something for your funky ass. I'm going to take three first round picks. The next three years I'm taking your first
Starting point is 00:05:47 round pick. I'm going to avoid the contract and I'm going to put this fine on your ass. Hey, it ruined them. Yeah, it did. It did. They heard them for a few years. Hey, but I got a question. Who's the, they got rid of Doc Rivers, or he resigned, he retired. Who's coaching
Starting point is 00:06:03 over there now? Jamal Mosley Oh Jamal Mosley Does so is it is it a case? And the fact I just I just saw I just saw him at the airport today This morning Oh did you?
Starting point is 00:06:16 I didn't. Hey listen So I wonder is it a case to where He likes He likes the kid Trent Like I don't know I can't I'm trying to make it make sense I mean hell if he's just coming off his worst season
Starting point is 00:06:30 I don't know man And he fell out of rotation. He had some D&Ps up in there, Joe. Yeah, so Doc probably wasn't messing with him. That's what I'm trying to say. I can't believe he investigated just because the man got paid, what? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see what it is that they're going to look at.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Like, I don't get it. I mean. Maybe watch some of that footage, Joe, based on what we've been seeing with players throwing stuff on game. They need to go back and check. I'm just saying, I'm laughing, but he might have been doing that on purpose, huh?
Starting point is 00:07:11 Nah, nah, nah, no, I don't, I don't think that. I think he did struggle. Because you remember,
Starting point is 00:07:18 Joe, he had some years in Toronto, he would let that thing fly. Yeah, he was. Even in Portland, because, and I think,
Starting point is 00:07:26 go ahead, Joe. Now, in Portland and Toronto, they had pretty good teams, bro. He was surrounded by cats who were really,
Starting point is 00:07:33 really good. I'm not saying the books. He had DJ. He had Dave. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying the bucks don't have that. But Yonnis ain't played the bulk of the season last year, bro.
Starting point is 00:07:43 He missed a lot of them games. You know what I mean? So they basically were just out there, amen, for their damn self. And he's not a guy. Hello. Hello, Joe. Hello. Taylor Jenkins.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Somebody said Taylor Jenkins. Is Taylor Jenkins the coach, Ash? And, and I know Jamal Moval had a job somewhere, too. Taylor Jenkins used to be the head coach at Memphis. is he not a head coach at Milwaukee, Joe? Let me see. But I know Jamal Mosley got a job. Where did Jamal Mosley go?
Starting point is 00:08:24 Taylor Jenkins in Milwaukee. Where did Jamal Mosley go? Because he was at Orlando, Joe. Pelicans. Pelicans. Pelicans. Yeah, Jamal went to the pelican. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Sorry about that. But yeah. Frank Kaminsky. said, so if you're underpaid, no one bass and I, but if you get overpaid, investigate the guys that take minimum or lesser deals when their first market value is way higher as well then. See, I agree. Hey, he's like, hold on, y'all ain't going to investigate, y'all ain't going to investigate Wemby.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Right. Wimby took 50 million lists. Y'all didn't investigate Jalen Brunson. He took 113 million less. Oh, he's going to, no something happening. No, hey, you take, ain't. you taking that less of amount of money. Hey, it's got to be,
Starting point is 00:09:17 all right, I ain't going to speculate. I'm just saying. It's got to be a promissary note somewhere. Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. That's all I'm saying. Come on now.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Get your money. Get your money. Hey, look, like I said, I don't begrudge anybody, but I just hate that sometimes the way it's portrayed. If I don't take less money, Joe, Ocho, I don't care about winning.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Yeah. I'm being selfish. Well, y'all don't say that about the team, by being selfish when they don't pay, and they let a guy walk because they didn't want to pay it. I don't know. But I want my brain. Now I'm selfish.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Man, you ought to help the team. That ain't my team. That's not my team. Hey, would I leave, if something were to happen to this family, you think they're going to cut me and Joe? They're going to cut. You know what? You know what, Ocho?
Starting point is 00:10:13 Ocho took a $50 million pay cut. You know what? We sold his team for $12 billion. Let's go ahead and get Ocho his money. man please you think you're going to do that ocho? Absolutely not. And they're going to tell you thank you though. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Thank you. Ocho was so great. He was, oh, he's such a great guy. Oh, he's such a character. He was such a character.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Oh, my God. He's so funny. He was hilarious. No, give me my money. Give me that 50 billion that I left on the table for y'all so y'all can get some other players.
Starting point is 00:10:42 That's what I want. I don't know. I ain't laughing about that. Now, I need that money. AJ DeBonzer on potential. on potential rival with Darren Peterson. Off the court, we're very cool. But the media and the NBA gods
Starting point is 00:10:55 kind of build it into a rivalry. I've got somebody to say it's kind of like Tracy McGready and Kobe. Reimagined. I'm a big Tracy McGready guy. He's a big Kobe guy. So I guess they're going to gas that up. Ocho, Joe, is this the next big rivalry? Hey, I like it, fellas.
Starting point is 00:11:11 You know, I think sports is always great when you have rivals. You know what I mean? And with these two dudes. Yes. coming in the same draft class, one and two, both have elite talent, and they put it on display for us in the summer league,
Starting point is 00:11:25 and they showed us to potentially that they can be superstars in the NBA. I'm looking forward to it, man. I enjoy the rival because Peterson takes me as a guy, he's probably going to use this his whole career for not going number one. Being number two. Yeah, being number two,
Starting point is 00:11:43 that's probably going to push him throughout his whole career, Uncle Ocho, and the same way, Jay DeBancor, I think he wants to show that he's the best player in the game, bro, the best young, one of the best young guns, especially the best young cat in this draft. So I think it's a great rivalry. Both of them have huge amount of talent. I enjoy watching both of them play, bro.
Starting point is 00:12:03 I look forward to the competition level being at an all-time high. If we got LeBron getting ready to go out the game in the next year too, man, we need to know that the game is in great hands, bro. And with this draft class, Uncle Ocho, like I've been telling y'all, man, It's some young Thundercats, some young superstars coming into the NBA, and these guys have not disappointed in Summer League. I mean, they haven't disappointed in Summer League. If you look at it, Joe. I'm not saying they haven't disappointed in Summer League.
Starting point is 00:12:29 As far as those, you know, the passing of the torch, I think it's going to be some of those other young guns. You know, your Shades, your, your mellow ball, Anthony Andrews, Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown. It's going to be them that's going to take over from there. Those young boys are going to be something. watch and the one thing that makes the NBA great is you need stories. You need stories. So the story of them
Starting point is 00:12:52 becoming that that next dynamic duo that are battling and become it would be dope for the game. It is summer league too, Joe. Do you still think they will be able to perform at a high level once
Starting point is 00:13:08 everybody's back in that organized structure environment with the best players? Yeah, I think a lot, especially like the top seven, eight guys, Ocho, top ten guys. You know, they're going to be pretty much featured in any offense or any team
Starting point is 00:13:24 that they play for. You know what I mean? Because you can't, you ain't drafting guys like AJ at one and just because he's playing with Trey and Anthony Davis that you ain't going to have a package in that that's going to feature him. You know what I mean? Like, they're going to get their opportunities. They're going to get their chances. Some
Starting point is 00:13:40 I like because they're going into you know, organizations or teams with, with, with veteran guys versus when you look at a guy like Caleb I like the Powell pickup that they got from Norman Powell from Miami the Bulls got but Caleb Wilson that's in that's in Chicago bro his upside I think he's gonna have the best opportunity because he's gonna really I think he's
Starting point is 00:14:05 gonna play the right way not only is he dynamic and have a lot of talent but I think he's more than just a power for it he's more of a tweener bro like a, he can play the five, he can play the three, hell. He can probably even play the two. I see him bring the ball up playing a one run and picking rolls. I just think he's so versatile that he's going to get an opportunity here.
Starting point is 00:14:26 He might be rookie at a year. Look, stories is, that's what makes sports go around? I need to, what's the story behind it? Yeah. I mean, we got the World Cup coming. What's the story? It's missing.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Probably in his last international stage, an opportunity for the World Cup to go back to back. only a handful, only two, what, two guys? I mean, Brazil, I think Italy went back to back 34, 38, and then Brazil went back to back 5862. So here it is Leonel Messi and his final World Cup appearance, Ocho, Joe, back to back.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Oh, man. Man, what better story is there than that. Look at the stories of how, down to Egypt, down to England, down to this, Yeah, down to Cape Birdie 1-0. And somehow Leonel Messi. Absolutely right. See?
Starting point is 00:15:28 And you got, look, in 79 when you got, when you got a bird and magic. But what people don't realize, Bird was not really drafted in. See, back then, Joe, I could draft a player. And if he went back to college, I still own his rights. And that's what happened to Bird. That's what the Celtics did to Larry. Yes, yes. Damn.
Starting point is 00:15:48 They drafted it the year before. He went back to school, but they still owned his rights. See, back in the beginning, the draft was all about territories. You drafted guys like close proximity to where you actually played because it wasn't a big thing like it is now. So you wanted somebody familiar with that area. So that's why you got Oscar Robinson getting drafted to the Royals. Yeah. Because what?
Starting point is 00:16:23 He went to Cincinnati. It's a no-brainer. Yeah. So you get guys, that's how we're going to do it. But yeah, that's what you could do. You could draft a guy, and if he went back to school, I still own his rights. Damn. They don't let you do that.
Starting point is 00:16:40 They'll let you do that no. They'll let you do that no more. Because you know how to do. Because it used to be, uh, uh, Indian Reserve. Right. Yeah. And they started to let you do that, Ocho. when I got into the league,
Starting point is 00:16:53 you could injure reserve and then you could come off. But you know, some of those teams, they were stashed in players. So then they say, you know what? We see what y'all doing. You put him on injured reserve,
Starting point is 00:17:04 he's going to stay his ass with the whole year. You see, recently now you go on injured reserve, you can come back off. Yeah. And you know, so they're going to get the system, Joe. They just got to. They got to find a way to cheat, man. I'm telling you.
Starting point is 00:17:16 And they say, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. Yes, yes. That's how they used to do. do they stay players. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello.
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Starting point is 00:21:25 with Nick Tutro. And listen now. In the meantime, we got the big news that hit. You know, Brian went to Philly. Teague, I didn't really, I didn't get to see y'all if y'all was on this morning. I want to know what you on. Smooth things. Smooth. I'm going to start with you first. I want you to let me know
Starting point is 00:21:47 what you think about Brown going to Philly and then Tee, you're out to that. All right. I mean, it's a big move for Philadelphia, especially for the fan-based. But I thought he was going to, you know, legacy-wise, I thought he was going to do something like Miami, you know what I'm saying? Probably Miami. Just not go to a whole new team, you know what I'm saying? Because when we're thinking, I mean, like, when we talk about like the greats, like, when we have arguments about like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan, those guys.
Starting point is 00:22:21 state on one team. So it's like, you know what I mean? So when you say like, you throw LeBron in that, in that, in that conversation, and then you get to thinking about how many teams we play for. So, you know, that's all I think about. Like back in the day, we always talk about when we talk about legacy and, and guys being like great, you know what I'm saying? We just talk about guys, you know, even like Reggie Miller.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Like, just talk about those, like how, if you were super, one of those guys you stayed with kind of like either one or one organization or maybe, maybe one to two, if anything. Right, right. Young T. What you got for me? Yeah, no, I'm different. I like that Bronn went to Philly.
Starting point is 00:23:04 I thought he was going to go back to the Cavs so Bronte can go back to Cleveland, too. He gets the Bronny jersey. Bronny 6 in the Cav jersey would have went crazy. I thought he was going to do the legacy play. You know what I mean, go back to Cleveland. Then I thought he would probably become part of the ownership. But it didn't go that way. He went to Philly.
Starting point is 00:23:22 I think they're a really good team. I don't think they don't know if it's enough. It ain't enough basketballs, bro. That's what I was saying. I was like, Jalen Brown came from shooting 22 shots a game. Tyrese maxi shot 22 shots a game. Then you got Embed, who didn't play a lot. But when he played, he was the focal point.
Starting point is 00:23:41 And then you bring it in Braun. I'm like, I don't know if it's just enough. I don't know how they're going to use Jalen Brown. I don't know how they're going to use Tyrese Maxie. It's just too many. Hey, man, I told Arkansas, I said, listen, soon as J.B. got traded, I'm brun. I'm on the phone with M.B. Because my first thing is, like, Big fella, you're going to be healthy.
Starting point is 00:24:00 Can you get me at least 55 games? Yeah. You know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, if M.B. They ain't healthy. They don't look like no championship team. You know what I mean? At all.
Starting point is 00:24:11 But the question, oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm saying, like, with all that firepower, does it give him? ammunition to be able to kind of chill until like the back end of the of the season to be able to have a play out push because he actually
Starting point is 00:24:28 he knocked what he knocked Boston out by itself for real for real yeah no you know you can't you can't stop in B bro real talk so yeah when healthy Brown play his role he's going to facilitate he's going to make you know Maxie Edgecombe Brown
Starting point is 00:24:46 them guys are going to score I don't think Brian going to come in there he ain't trying to come in there average no 25. He'll probably settle for about 18 or 20 a night with about eight or nine assists. But I think it's more of the control that he'll be able to have with this young running and gunning team. It's like putting him back there as a quarterback, bro. Like you, Maxie, he's going to be out there like a baby AI. You can do like kind of how New York done with, with Cat and Brunson. They took the ball out of Brunson hand, played through Ken. He just, Brunson just kind of came off picks, came off screens and was a score. I can see Maxie
Starting point is 00:25:19 in there. I can. I can see edge come trying to be a lockdown defender. How mad? How mad would you be if you edge come, though? You just came off an average and damn there's 17. Now they're telling you you three and D. I don't, hey, listen, listen, but hold up, though. But hold on a, hold on those, smooth and tea.
Starting point is 00:25:36 I ain't necessarily, if I'm, if I'm edgecom, I ain't necessarily mad. You know what I mean? At worst case, we're going to have him for two years. Now, this is a learning, this is a learning two lists that I can go. He can take me on this wing. I can learn from all these great players. that I'm surrounded by because hell,
Starting point is 00:25:51 I still got another 13, 14, 15 years to play in the league. It ain't like he ain't going to get his money when it's time for him. He's going to get his money. I just think they have a window and everybody's talking about LeBron Ring chasing. I think he's found an opportunity
Starting point is 00:26:05 to where he can continue his legacy. You think back, I thought he was going to go back to Miami fellas. I ain't going to lie, but then once I started thinking about it, hell, Brian trying to make history, bro. He want to be the one player to win a championship for four different franchises.
Starting point is 00:26:19 nobody has done that. Hell, probably nobody will ever do it. You know what I mean? Considering the fact that every night, bro, every point he's score, it goes down in the books, in history books, because he's the leading score. So he's going to put this thing so far
Starting point is 00:26:33 to reach. It probably won't even be in our lifetime, fellas, for somebody catch him. I'm just going to keep it real. Nah, it's over. I don't think nobody ever catch him. They had to make, like, somebody had to hit 600 threes in a season
Starting point is 00:26:46 or something crazy. Like, you know how to be doing something. Like, we didn't, never seen that we ever thought what happened. But I'm just, if I'm VJ, because I played on y'all team, and when I came and I wouldn't get no shots, no touches, because I was hot. So if I'm him, my average 16 as a rookie, I'm looking to be like a 22-point score as a second-year player.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Like, I'm looking to, like, move up. And now Brian and J.B. come. That be my shots go to dang near half. I'm going to eight shots again. I'm hot, bro. And you got Anthony Simons on the bench. And you got, you bring. You bring KCP in for another 3-and-D guy.
Starting point is 00:27:21 So if I'm not playing well, I know them two dudes. They're seasoned veterans. They're ready to lock in. They're trying to want to chip. I'm hot if I'm him. I ain't going to lie. Oh, yeah. You're going to throw as a, but what?
Starting point is 00:27:32 How hard do you think LeBron going to play during a regular season with that salary base? I, I think he'll, I think he's going to compete because, like I said, man, his legacy is still, it's still going to be great regardless of the situation. I think he wants to add to it. You know what I mean? Everybody's talking about how he's chasing Bronn, this, that, and third. I don't think it's that. I think he has another way he's going to put his stamp on the game.
Starting point is 00:27:58 I mean, he's already a first ballot legend, arguably the best player to ever play. Check this out. It's one assistant coach has had some doubts about how LeBron and Joel NB will fit together on the Sixers. He said, it's scary. It can be unstoppable or it can be hard to watch. the unnamed coach told Mark Medina, I think that's his name. He said they're both slow and old.
Starting point is 00:28:25 And when you get tired of, when you get tired and drain the clock and you're methodical and isolating, you know, every time down court and everybody's just standing around and watching, he said you're going to end up falling down behind because they're so old. I don't agree with that because they have some youth
Starting point is 00:28:43 on that Sixers team. that can obviously, even if Brun and them B miss a couple of games, then boys can carry them, man. They got J.B. J.B., one of them. J.B., top 10 in the league. Tyrese-Margably could be top 10 in the league. So they got two guys over there that's capable to take over, to be the guy.
Starting point is 00:29:03 So I ain't worried about them scoring, but to win a championship, you got to have Bronan and the B playing at a high level. You do. You do. You do. And you look at, you look at J.B. he's going to be looking to put his stamp on the game.
Starting point is 00:29:19 He's going to be looking to prove guys wrong because of how the Celtics got rid of him. So I think when you got guys who come into the season and determined to make a case and show people up, like this veteran team that they have, I think the sky's the limit, bro. You can't rule out of Philly, bro. They're going to be there.
Starting point is 00:29:38 How y'all feel about Miami? I know you running the show, Joe. My fault. No, no, no. Go ahead. My fault, man. What would you think about Miami? Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:29:50 I think they need more shooting, for sure. I'm trying to figure out how that BAM and Yonis' works. And, you know, I want to, you know, when you've been in a situation like how Yonis been, where you've been a man that you had 100% of control of everything pretty much, like, how you want to move and stuff.
Starting point is 00:30:11 And, you know, Miami is a little different. Yeah. So it's going to be interesting to see how all that works down there. Yeah, I think Miami going to be pretty good. Obviously, they're not done. I think they're going to add a few more pieces. They definitely need some shooting. Everything.
Starting point is 00:30:32 They have that point guard. They got the little Davion Mitchell kid. Yeah. They're going to be able to guard. Oh, yeah, they're going to be able to. They're going to be a good. They're going to be a, people going to be running two, three zone. on them.
Starting point is 00:30:44 No, they're Hey, hey, they ain't going to be running zone, but they, they're going to be trapping, boxing elbows on,
Starting point is 00:30:53 on Yannis. It's going to be different, bro. I ain't going to lie to y'all, though, but that's why I thought Brown was going to end up going so he could kind of really facilitate and play that point guard
Starting point is 00:31:04 role. But hell, with no shooting, Janus and Bam, I know Bam can shoot it, he can score, but it's just hard when you don't really know
Starting point is 00:31:13 who's going to, take care of ball handling duties in Miami if you bring LeBron in with Yonis, like that's a lot. Plus you ain't got the shooting that you need. You know what they're going to do? They're going to go back to how they was playing when Brown and D.W. First got there. Remember
Starting point is 00:31:28 they was hedging ball screens? Yeah. They're going to start hedging ball screens, trapped in the buck. They was doing all that crazy stuff. They're going to be doing that again with Bam and Janus at the 4 and 5. What? Because Yonis is going to be motivated to do that, though.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Yeah, he, new senior. Yeah. Look, man, y'all know Pat run a tight ship over there. If you don't know, I'm here to tell you, he run a tight ship, waiting body fat every Friday. So don't you think you're going to be out there eating them zoosos and whamms and come in and compete? He ain't having that.
Starting point is 00:31:58 The one thing you ain't got to worry about is, Jan is because, hell, he stay in the league shape. You just got to hope he stay healthy throughout the season. And that's what I always tell, bro, you know, during the regular season, you know this. You can coast through the regular season. But boy, when you get in the postseason and the game, and they game planning for you, and you got to exert all this energy, every possession,
Starting point is 00:32:21 it's a huge difference, bro. It is not the same. It is not the same. I know we talked a bit about MVP. My thing is, do y'all think he'll hold them back? Like, considering the fact, I mean, think about this. Last year when he didn't play, I thought Maxie and Edgecom was at their best.
Starting point is 00:32:45 I ain't going to lie to you. The way they got up and down the floor, the way they played together, the way it looked like they were having fun, that's the only problem that I have with Braun going to Philly because everything revolves around Joel and B. Because think about it.
Starting point is 00:33:02 If he's not playing, hell, that's going to hurt you. But if he ain't healthy and he's laboring up and down the court, I mean, what good is it going to be? Can you really depend on him in an 82 game season? And then, hell, we know how everything revs up in the postseason. Like, can you really count on him to be healthy and be there for this six of team?
Starting point is 00:33:23 Tell me what you, give me your thoughts, bro. Do y'all think it be really going to, is he going to be that factor that they need him to be to be able to compete for a title? You got it, smooth. I mean, if he's healthy. But I don't like, I think that they're building this team to kind of like, have pieces missing during the regular season. So I think this is a playoff-built team. I don't think that they're going to do a lot of wear and tear with Joelle and B.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Whatever they know about his knees, they know it. So I think they're going to take more precaution. I think when he rests and plays, he's a better player. And so I'm trying to figure out, like, do you really play him a lot in the regular season? You mean make him play limited minutes? Like limited minutes, sometimes miss games. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:34:28 Maybe play half the season. Dang. What, what you thinking, T? Because I'm just thinking about the rhythm, though. Like, yeah, I'm with you on that too, though. I'm with you on that too. And like, like Joe said, it takes. Like you said, you got to throw the ball to them.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Like, you got to post them. You have to post them. You got to have them at the top of the key with the ball. So I think those other guys can move the ball well, but LeBron wants the ball in his hands too. So how does that work? Like he wants to be able to dictate the offense and facilitate too well.
Starting point is 00:35:07 So how does that work as far as like? And I'm not saying, like you said, I don't think LeBron is tripping about scoring. because it's a lot of young guys on the team. He's working out with Tyree's Maxey right now. They've been in the gym together. Yeah. I don't think he's necessarily concerned with that type of burden on his hands,
Starting point is 00:35:28 but I definitely think he does want to play kind of like a magic Johnson role with this team. So you're saying, excuse me, Brown want to play more of a Magic Johnson role, and he don't want to have to toll the weight of that trying to score 20. 25, 24 night. You know, he just want to be able to magic that thing, get him 10, 12 assists, 18 points. Yeah, what you think?
Starting point is 00:35:54 Maybe he wants to well and beat, you know, to get up and down a little more too with this team. Yeah, I keep thinking, like, we keep forgetting about, like, now we're not forgetting about him, but Jalen Brown, he coming from almost averaging, what, 28, 29 points a game? Like, one of the best players in the league last year. Yeah, we got to factor in.
Starting point is 00:36:12 He's still got to be Jalen Brown, Like he can't be taking a backseat to nobody Tyrese. He had his best when he's scoring. So I'm trying to figure out We know Joelle and B going to miss Tom Who's the backup center? They lost drumming.
Starting point is 00:36:26 They got Bona. Bona, that hard playing high-energy cap. Yeah, but like, yeah, y'all living with y'all rolling? I mean, look, when you got J.B., him and Maxi probably top five in the NBA and fast break points. For sure.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Here's my thing That's my only problem It's like I don't want to see Philly get bogged down Trying to throw it to NB Every other damn play And you get them guys out of sync To where they're not even You know engaged in the game
Starting point is 00:36:58 You know they ain't really get no easy looks I think these young guys Edgecom Maxie and even J.B They're going to thrive off defense, steals and transition If they ain't able to do that
Starting point is 00:37:12 bro it's going to be hard for them to win You know, we're walking the ball of the court every day and time. We got to rely on that for sure. What's that? Dills and transition. I think J.B. going to get some plays in the half court.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Like, because you got, BJ was playing super well until Paul George got back and then he had to take a back seat to Paul George a little bit. So I'm just like, he is a, he is a piece, a valuable piece. But like, like T said, one of them, one of them guys are going to, gonna get the,
Starting point is 00:37:45 they're gonna get the sharp end of the sword and it's probably gonna be him. And you know what? You probably right to a degree, but I feel like they all, to some extent, Teague, they all gonna have to sacrifice. Yeah, of course, it'd be a good thing.
Starting point is 00:38:00 J.B. ain't gonna average no damn 28. Maxi ain't gonna average no 28. I know what you said about Edgecombe. If you averaging 16, 17, you want to build on that, especially as a young player. Maybe you stay there, but take your efficiency up. Yeah. I just don't think Brown going to be a problem.
Starting point is 00:38:16 My only concern, I'm telling you all, my only was MB, bro. I just want to know where his mindset is, what type of shape he's going to come into. And with J.B. and Brian really taking care of themselves so much, like, on as far as a health-wise and planning games, I hope Joe L. M.B. follows suit. I hope he rubs off on him to where he gets back to being that dominant center. He ain't got an average no damn 25, 30. but you want him to be efficient and you want him to be assertive
Starting point is 00:38:45 you want him to be the mismatch I'm telling you I don't know if y'all seen any reports where he said him and Brun had a real they met up one and had a one-on-one because think about it if you're brown bro you got to know what this man thought process is he even trying to get up out of here
Starting point is 00:39:01 does he want to even be here I know he's making a lot of money I think his money kicking in this shit so it's going to be hard to trade him so I think they're going to be able to figure this thing out I think all those guys are going to really have take somewhat of a backseat if they want to be a great team. And I could just tell you all this, bro. I remember playing in Phoenix.
Starting point is 00:39:20 And the year before we got Nash and Quentin Richardson, we won no damn playoff team. We were trapped, but I was out there getting money, Teague and Smooth. I was out there getting money. You hear me? So when they said that they were bringing in Nash and Quentin Richardson, I didn't really know what to expect.
Starting point is 00:39:38 You know what I mean? I probably average, I think I average 18 points in the regular season and 20 in the postseason. Now, I'm your 4th or 5th option. Hell, you ain't got that in the NBA no more. Ain't no fourth or fifth option
Starting point is 00:39:52 in the NBA averaging no 18 to 20 points a game. I'm playing with the MVP. I'm playing with three bona fide all-stars and Steve Nash, Marry, Stard Marry, Sean Marion. You have to find a way to be effective, meaning be more efficient. I probably shot 50-something-something-frey.
Starting point is 00:40:09 the field, I was second, well, I was number one in the NBA and three-point percentages that year, and Quinn Richardson led the NBA in three-point makes. So it's like, like, you got to really lock in. I'm like, damn, we got a pass first point guard and Steve Nash, who probably could have averaged it if you just want to beat 100. He could have averaged 22, 24 game. That man settled for 16 a night and 13 assists. You see what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:40:36 Like, if you get you a situation like that to where you get a guy who really comes in and make everybody around them better, and I think that's what LeBron does. Man, the sky's the limit for that team, bro, because they're not lacking nothing. But yeah, but y'all ain't had Joelle and B, though. We had Amari, though.
Starting point is 00:40:54 We had them like, hey, Amari was a dog team. No disrespect to Amari, but he's a pick and roll player. He went, he would, and it's the thing. So if you got two guys like Amari and Steve Nash running pick and roll, and then you got the top three, point shooter make in Quinn Richardson and the top three point percentage in me who you you have to give up something it's like okay boom we're gonna stay home here marie got 50 points with 10 dunks
Starting point is 00:41:21 you see what I'm saying yeah but they don't got that they don't got that's what I'm saying is but what I'm saying is if Embed is right bro he can feel that void he can be that he can be his role I ain't saying he's going to score 30 a night but when he out there y'all know that man hard to stop, bro. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. But you got to throw the ball to and beat at the top of the queue on the post. He won't post up. And he can get two to play him, and he can get a double team.
Starting point is 00:41:49 He can kick it out. Guys are going to have open shots, but that's not J.B. games. J.B. ain't a catching shoe player. He can make threes. He's not a catch-and-ch-player. Maxie can make threes, but I like the ball of Maxie-Han-creating. I do, too.
Starting point is 00:42:02 He can make a three, but he's a slasher. He can hit a three. Brian, he shot 31% last year. You can make the three. You know what's going to have to happen. They're going to have to be a dog defensively, bro. I don't keep it real because think about this. Offers and scores.
Starting point is 00:42:20 I know, I know, but you got, you got two, you got J.B. who a two-way guy. I think Escham can eventually be a two-way guy. I don't think Maxie bad at defending. I just think, hell, he loves scoring the ball. That's just what it is. You know what I mean? You think MB can be.
Starting point is 00:42:33 You think Bragg is to a guard? To a degree. Yeah, I don't think, you know, you switch him out there on. on one of these little point guards or something. You know, he can slide his public for a step or two, but at some point he probably, but I just think Brian play from the shoulders up.
Starting point is 00:42:51 You know what I mean? Like mentally, he's so far ahead of all these young dudes. Y'all got to think, man, a lot of these cats weren't even born here who he's going to be playing against. You know what I'm saying? So I always think Brian going to have a mental edge. And I just think Philly,
Starting point is 00:43:06 if staying healthy, everything comes down to health. man they got a great chance to do something special y'all know how them fans are in philly i don't know it ain't too many more fanatic huh who the top eight in the east top eight in the east yeah who the top eight like if you had to say preseason uh i'm gonna probably go not ranked from one to a just okay i'm gonna go i'm gonna go who you going to detroit i got some names for y'all uh we just did this the other day we got miami yeah you got sixers yeah You got Celtics, you got Detroit, you got Hawks, you got Cleveland. Got Cleveland.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Now, I was going to ask you about Cleveland. You got Knicks. Nick's the best team in the East. You got like a solid nine teams. There's a seven. Right there. Yeah, if you still got Charlotte, you still got Washington. Two teams there.
Starting point is 00:43:57 Hold on, hold on, hold on. What about Orlando? What about Orlando? No, Orlando. You think you think Charlotte going to make some noise, T? I like Charlotte, bro. They got a good team. I know Lamello was the star,
Starting point is 00:44:09 but for some reason I like what they built in Cunupple. I think Brandon Miller going to have a really, really good year. Kobe White was solid for them this year. He's going to enter the star in row. I just think they got a good group. Don't be surprised, man. Don't be surprised.
Starting point is 00:44:24 Now, I like him. They got some hard working guys over there, too. Diabate, that's his name. I like him. He played hard. He played hard and shit. I just think Kobe White was so great in coming over from their trade from Chicago.
Starting point is 00:44:38 That's why they were able to get rid of La Mello. I thought Lamello created value for himself. And if y'all want me to be honest, I don't really think they were that high on Mello on Lamello. You know what I mean? Which is why. They were gentrifying the team. That's all the world.
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Starting point is 00:49:05 Pat Riley also joked about Bam punching Tyler heroes saying this And I don't want to get knocked out You know, Bam was one of those guys who came in here too And he's been Basically the foundation of this organization Hey What thing about That's got everybody upset Joe
Starting point is 00:49:39 What's got everybody upset? You heard what he said? Yeah Bam came in here in 2019 And he's been basically the foundation What a rapport saying? Everybody's upset how they treat them.
Starting point is 00:49:52 What did Pat Riley get out of his mouth, Ocho? Yeah. Hey, a rouse and spoke, bro, they like that old school style. You know, hey, you say something I'm hitting your damn mouth. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:50:05 When I see you, you know what I mean? I ain't saying they condoning it, but at the same time, they don't mind it neither. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. Hey, you see how hard spoke? You see how hard spoke?
Starting point is 00:50:16 and then was smiling when Riles said Yeah, he's glad to But you got to realize what Riles brought to the Knicks What he brought to the heat He brought that physicality Because there were not a whole lot of teams
Starting point is 00:50:32 Playing that style of basketball You had the bad boy pistons Yeah And you had You had the bad boy pistons And people believe it or not The Boston Celtics Was a physical-ass team
Starting point is 00:50:43 Yeah, yeah They just They just They just wouldn't do stuff like Robman and Sal and Mahorn and Lambert But they were a physical-ass team
Starting point is 00:50:53 Now, if it required that Oh, she swung on Bill Lambert all the time. Bird swore him all the time Because they say, you know what? You're getting out of pocket here. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:04 He'll take this with you. Bop and punch him dead his face. Hey, they're in. Hey, you see what Bill Laibir did to Laibird? Yeah. Man, he put him. Man, Lambert did.
Starting point is 00:51:15 all his weight on that man, bird just rolled over and just started punching that man in his face. Yeah. Hey, the game was different back then, Ocho. I'm talking about, hey, you look at somebody wrong. It was a scrap, homie. You hear me? Them four, hey, them boy were throwing blows back then. They said Bill Lambert was laying on the ground.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Talking about, did he get ejected? Damn. Hey, Peter Paul said try it all. Oh, what? Yeah. Yeah. But Pat, you know, he told you what he thought of Bam, what they think of Bam. He said basically since Bam has been here, he's been the foundational piece.
Starting point is 00:52:00 That's what he said. And you, first of all, oh, Joe, you don't play this game enough. Joe, you played this game enough. You know when the coaches and the organization what they think of certain players. They don't never tell you this, but you see. the way they treat this man. Yeah. And you could, hey.
Starting point is 00:52:24 Hey, there's levels. They can say what they want. But Bam is an elite talent. Okay, Ocho. In the NBA, considering the fact that 6-9, 610, can handle the rock, can score the ball, the intangibles, defense, rebounded, like, he does a lot for your team, bro.
Starting point is 00:52:45 So when you surround him with great talent, like Spow and Pat Riley is doing right now. I think you're going to get the best out of their young boy, man. I think you're going to get the best out of them. Plus, you know what they love most? What's that? He come to work every day.
Starting point is 00:52:59 Hello. He come to work every day. Lunchtime. Ain't no excuses because they don't tolerate excuses. I'm not going to give you excuse because you might use it. Yeah. There you go. Get the job done.
Starting point is 00:53:14 It's really that simple. It's really that matter of fact. And you can appreciate it. that. Yeah. You could appreciate that. Yonan spoke about Eric Sposter today saying, I just want to be coached hard.
Starting point is 00:53:27 I'd rather you tell me the ugly truth than a beautiful lie. I don't want to be sugar-coded. I have a lot of people like that in my life that try to make me feel good. I don't need that. I need the truth. I can apply that to life and the game of basketball. Joe, do you believe Yonis want to be trod the truth? Yeah, I do.
Starting point is 00:53:51 I think he wants to be coached hard. I think he wants to be told the truth. And if there's holes in his game, okay, Ocho, where you think he needs to improve and get better, please tell me. I think that's the approach that he's taking. He understands, man, this is like, you know, rejuvenation for him,
Starting point is 00:54:07 second part of the NBA for him, a whole other chance. So he's getting an opportunity to create a whole other legacy from scratch. And I think he wants to get out to a great start. Yeah, I think he is absolutely right. Hey, listen, one thing about you. honest, we ain't got to, that's why I was so puzzling to me to hear those reports coming from Milwaukee, you know, saying that how he was laid, this, he just don't strike me for that
Starting point is 00:54:30 type of guy. He looks like the hardest working dude on your team. You know what I mean? And that's what you can respect the most, bro. And that's why it caught everybody off guard because more people than not thought like you thought. But somebody that was inside, you see, when you get inside information, you like, God be damn. Yeah. He had us all food. That's what inside of trading do, no, Joe.
Starting point is 00:54:56 But it's too good to be true. I didn't think this thought was going to do this. I didn't think somebody's going to get this contract. I didn't think they were in merger talks. I be damn. Yeah. And see, that's when you knew it was over. He had to go.
Starting point is 00:55:13 He could never go back in there. Not with Miles Turner. One of them had, put it like this here. I'm not saying Yonis had to go, but one of them had. to go. Yeah. You're right.
Starting point is 00:55:23 You're right. Because you already know, you can't ever do nothing. I can't do, Joe, if I can't be myself at work, where can I be myself at? Because I'm there all the time. You're on the road. Think about it. 82 games a year. So I'm either coming to the arena or we're on a plane or we're on a bus ride ahead
Starting point is 00:55:41 into an arena. So I'm around you as much, if not more than I'm around my own family. If I can't be me, if I can't let my hair down around, Y'all, where can I let my hair down in, Ocho? Because I'm guarded everywhere I said, go. I go to Target, I'm guarded. I go to the grocery store. I'm guarded.
Starting point is 00:55:58 I'm out in public. I'm guarded. The one place that guys let themselves go. On the bus, on the plane, at the arena. That's why you see guys joking, laughing, having fun. If I can't do that, Joe, what am I? What are we doing, Ocho? Hey, it's tough because that's our sanctuary, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:56:19 you know, to where we go. Yep, we talk about different things. We talk about things that we feel like will never get out of this locker room. So for the fact that those reports came out, yeah, if I'm yonnas, hey, yeah, I feel away. You know what I mean? And you're right.
Starting point is 00:56:34 You can't bring that back together because I'm side-iron, buddy the whole time. Hey, don't say nothing around Ocho, because, you know, he talked too much. Matter of fact, it's not only not, Yonnas being there, that the rest of his teammates. Now, they're looking at him funny. I can't trust him.
Starting point is 00:56:50 I got to watch what I say around him. I mean, listen, it's messy. I'm not sure at what point where everybody became a chatty-patty, especially when it comes to NBA players or NFL players, telling some of the things that go on in the locker room, telling, you know, intimate stories
Starting point is 00:57:04 that are really for us, only us, you know? Outside of that, the quote that Yon has said, I think it makes sense, especially for the heat culture and what they're known for, what they've always been known for, how Spow is, how Pat Riley is, he's in the right
Starting point is 00:57:20 in the right environment as far as hearing the ugly truth as opposed to a sweet lie he's going to get exactly what he won't. He won't get exactly what he won't. Oh yeah. But here's the problem that he's going to run into. It's a lot
Starting point is 00:57:35 easier to hear the truth when you've been told the truth before. When all you've been told is pretty lies, it's tough. When you grow up on the Barney Porter's roof? Yeah. When you get coached by Bill Davis, you get coached by Dan Reeves, somebody tells you it only bother you.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Bernie Porter would make you, I mean, my brother, you heard him, told you. You're talking about a kid, and he made you feel small. Yeah. He tells us all the time, he said, I'm not going to give you an excuse. Because if I give you an excuse, you will use it. Yeah. People think it's easy.
Starting point is 00:58:14 When you've done something, the better part of your life, when you've heard something, the better part of your life, it's not as easy as you think. People like you, oh, I can just, okay. It sounds good. It really does. But when you messed up and they blamed it on others
Starting point is 00:58:31 because I've been there. Somebody made a mistake and he blamed me. Man, you know damn what... You're right. You're right. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe, Joe, you're right, you're right.
Starting point is 00:58:45 I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. My bad. First of all, he wasn't... I wasn't even in the read. I wasn't even in the progression. But I take that.
Starting point is 00:58:57 Your sort of man throw the ball and skipped the ball to him. Now you're talking about I'm deep. I'm 10 yards. He skipped it at 8. I'm 10. The wrong call's 10 to 12, but he skipped it at 8. You're right. You're right.
Starting point is 00:59:11 I take that one. Somebody else made the mistake. Well, you remember, hey, you go all the way back. 10 plays. 84, what are you doing here? What I got to do with him making a mistake over there? I eat it. Oh, Joe, I eat it.
Starting point is 00:59:30 That's on me. Because I know what you're trying to do. You're coaching them through me, knowing that I can take it. You got it. You're right. You got it. You know what they say? They say, well, if coach ain't saying nothing to you, he really don't mess with you, bro.
Starting point is 00:59:51 Yeah, man. Yeah. Well, Dan Reed must have loved me. He must be thought I was his long-lost son. Because that man mofo me and SOB me. That man standing on my head. Hey, damn, Coke. Hey, hey, think about it, though.
Starting point is 01:00:04 When you get that type of old school coach, you see how much of a stain and put on your brain, bro, like, because you never forget that because coming up, like even though you got to the pros guys, I was talking to you like that. But when I got to college, bro, I ain't really never heard a coach talk to talk to us the way Coach Richardson used to talk to us.
Starting point is 01:00:22 You know what I mean? So when I got to the pros, it didn't bother me what coaches got on me. You know what I'm saying? It didn't bother me if, you know, I was a rookie. said, oh, we're going to sit you for a few games, let some of these other rookies play. And I had them been through the wars already, bro.
Starting point is 01:00:39 I hadn't been through it already. Hey, hey, hey, one thing about it, I was never going to let it waver my love and passion for the game. Okay, Ocho, when I was a rookie, bro, when I was a rookie, it was a moment right before I got traded. I went like 10, 15 straight games, DMPs, not even touching the floor. Like, not even, I went from starting. Coach was like, look, we're going to get,
Starting point is 01:01:00 because I had two. other rookies with me. Keesrick Brown, Joe Forte. They both were for first round. They had three first round preeks, so it lets you know how good the Celtics were the year before. They wasn't that damn good. Right. So I had created value for myself, but I didn't understand this as a kid, bro. You know what I mean? So they set me. They probably already was working out the trade. They set me for the last 10, 15 game, DMP. And man, I'd never forget that, bro. Like, because it stuck with me because when you get traded as a youngster, you don't really get a reason why. You know what I mean? Like, man, pack your shit.
Starting point is 01:01:31 and get on up out of here. You know what I mean? For real. Yeah. Yep. You're right. But the thing is, Joe, like you said, when you're young, and even though Coach Davis had coached me hard my first year,
Starting point is 01:01:44 after that I had like, I was one of the, I was the best player. So for my last three years there, I was the best player at the United States. Obviously, he didn't yell and scream at me. But I go to Denver and Coach Reeves, and I remember having this conversation when I went to speak at his homegoing service and his wife, Ms. Pam, said, Shannon, Dan thought the world of you. I was like, Ms. Pam, I couldn't tell you.
Starting point is 01:02:08 I'm glad you feel the blanks here. Man, that man stayed on me, man. Damn. That man stayed on me, stayed on me. Now, there are some, like, as a head coach, now obviously position coaches, they're probably the hardest on the players, you know, because, I mean, some of those position coaches,
Starting point is 01:02:28 Man, I'd have had to fight there. Oh, yeah, okay, hey, man. Because position coaches, hell, if you don't reach your potential, they probably feel like it's their damn fault. Absolutely, absolutely. If we had a position coach, man, to do, he told the guy, he was supposed to like, he told him, don't go underneath because this guy's mobile
Starting point is 01:02:49 and he'll escape. Yeah. What do you do? Go on to me. Inside, quarterback go outside. Yep, he'd go under knee. Quarterback scratch. travel go outside first down.
Starting point is 01:02:59 He did that twice. He's supposed to be on field goal block. Guess what? A P-A-T block. Guess what? He ain't out there. We got 10 men. Dial-up, good.
Starting point is 01:03:12 Next morning, he said, you know what? He said, I don't really know what's going to happen. But in the coaches meeting this morning, I recommend it that we cut you. Damn. Told him just like that. He said, I don't know what's going to happen.
Starting point is 01:03:28 But in the coaches meeting, I recommend it that we cut you. Oh, man. Hey, back then, because they would say things now that you can't say. You can't say what, because you know,
Starting point is 01:03:42 I mean, you might have got somebody at the college, but they would say, hey, who, like, Lord, hey, you got to be more PC now.
Starting point is 01:03:50 Yeah. You can't say some of the stuff that they, because I was like, oh, my God. They're like, man, I wonder what y'all be, nah,
Starting point is 01:03:56 you can't put no, man, they bleep everything out because everything was a curse word. Yeah, yeah. Everything was a curse work. So there was nothing, there was nothing, but you understood it.
Starting point is 01:04:09 You understood it. It was a part of the game. They yelled, they screamed, they cursed. They tried to make you better. And that was the only way they knew. Because those old coaches, that's how they coached. That's how they coached. It wasn't no sugar coached.
Starting point is 01:04:22 It wouldn't work today, I think, though. It wouldn't work the day. But one, the first thing the players doing it. No, no, no, no, no. It's the players today. obviously the ones that are really good, they're going to shut down on you, and the ones that's not good,
Starting point is 01:04:34 going to go snitch. Oh, now, they're gone. They leave it. They ain't dealing with that now. Hold on, Joe. Now, you've got to be one of them ones to be able to get up and go now. Yeah, but what I'm saying is,
Starting point is 01:04:46 if you're not in the position and you're not good enough to go, you know, ain't like you're going to start or play anywhere else either. You got to be that boy. Well, my thing, my thing is, Ocho, you got a lot of these kids out here. I'm speaking high school,
Starting point is 01:04:59 collegiate. it like they don't do good with criticism, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like probably ain't never been criticized. Yeah, yeah. So look, now when you run into that and you're in college
Starting point is 01:05:12 and you feel like you're supposed to be better than, like, bro, and it's easier now because I can hit this portal with, you know, and go play for another team right away. They ain't dealing with that. You have to build up to that because early on
Starting point is 01:05:31 I didn't know how to handle it because my grandfather could look at me and I'd start crying because it hurt me so bad to disappoint him Yeah My grandma look at me and she They would yell And I remember
Starting point is 01:05:44 My grandma told my grandfather one day He had yelled at me And she said, Barney, don't yell him He's just a little fella And he said, man, he looked at a dead pan He said, Mary When I tell him something I need him to understand the seriousness of it
Starting point is 01:05:59 because I might not get a second chance. I say, Mary, he said, Mary, this boy on a farm with these animals, he ran this equipment, and he might lose an arm, he might lose a leg, and these animals can kill him. So I need him to understand just how important what I'm telling him is. Joe, I'm five, I'm six. I don't know that I'm not supposed to be around a PTO. As I got older, I understood after I saw a man lose his foot. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:29 After they got caught in the PTO, Mr. Joe used to tell us. He said he'd always tell a pee-wee sundown. Don't come up to the back of the machine like this here. Because, you know, if you got jeans or something, sure enough, he had some fraggled jeans. He came up, the PTO is the power takeoff operator. And so what it does, it powers the entire equipment. He has some fragile jeans. And caught it.
Starting point is 01:06:52 He's like, Joe helped me. Joe helped me. After a while you hear, he got his foot in his hand, just like this and hopping around. I take off to the bar and they go get him. I say, man, Fred just... He's like, Peewee, what did you say? I said, Fred just lost his foot. I said he came up and talked to Mr. Joe.
Starting point is 01:07:07 They got him. They couldn't save it. So that's what he was saying. He said, I might marry... He said, Mary, I might only get one chance to tell him something. But you know how women are. But then when my grandfather died, I think my grandmother might,
Starting point is 01:07:26 especially that first year or so, she might have been harder than papa. Boy, great a shit. And you, at first she would warn you. Then it came to boy, she warned you as she's shutting down on you. Like, damn, you used to tell us. We go, hey, all right.
Starting point is 01:07:44 Boy, sit down. Now, didn't I tell you to sit your black? They're talking on every hit. I remember them days, boy. Yeah. You know how I go. Yes. I remember that, boy.
Starting point is 01:08:01 You get a lick for every word. Yeah. And then they beat you for something to happen two weeks ago, Joe. I should have cut your ass two weeks ago. Huh? But what are you talking about? Fagg. Fag.
Starting point is 01:08:15 Hey, that's trauma, man. That's trauma we all got, boy, from a kid. You hear me? Man. And then tell everybody, yeah, you know how to tell that boy has something up to date, Joe. Huh? Ain't nothing great.
Starting point is 01:08:31 Ain't nobody asked. you, did you beat me? Ain't nobody asked you that. I don't even know why you brought that up. Your uncle did that? Yeah, that boy been married
Starting point is 01:08:39 and I tore his ass oh, Lord. We'd be all in church, Joe. Yeah, you know that boy? Uh-huh. Yeah. He started to smell him himself. I had to tell him that I tore his ass up.
Starting point is 01:08:49 Yeah. See, now I want to fight you, Grannie when I get home. Oh, yeah, she's going to tell it now. You know she's going to tell him. I'm like for this. You know, I want to fight you. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:01 But if you start, to fight me back and you hit me and I go, oh, oh. Oh, bhr-b-b-b-threat. If I said, oh, oh, but the old people that play back there, Joe, they hit you with anything. Whatever they can grab. I know, I've seen it.
Starting point is 01:09:22 Whatever they can grab. I remember when I said you had to go get a switch. Yeah. You know, trying to be slick. You go get the smallest switch you can find that you think is not going to hurt. Yeah. Oh, and you bring it back in there.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Oh, so you want to play. So you think it's a game. Don't worry about it. I go get a switch. Come on in here. You sit right there. Man. Bell, anything.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Man, my aunt hit my cousin under the eye with a neck bone. The neck bone. You see that neckbone? Yeah. If you beat that neckbone, he says something, yeah. He's the dead and a night. Hey, hey, listen, man. That you had a piece of rice hanging right there.
Starting point is 01:10:11 Hey, I've seen it all. Oh, my auntie, my auntie hit her son in the head with a pilster. Yeah, split him. He comes because we should live across the street. We used to live across the street. This is my aunt Sherry, I tell you, she was a military lady, but she didn't play no game, though. She, yeah, she put feet, hands all on you.
Starting point is 01:10:31 She don't play. But listen, he didn't call this. That's what my oldest uncle was. He'd have called himself catching flower with her. Boy, she hit him across the head with that pils. He ran over my house so fast. He was hollering and crying. I'm like, damn, what wrong?
Starting point is 01:10:44 And my mama hit me with a pilsster. Hey, don't break that heat over here. Get your ass back over there. Hey, those play back then, bro. Oh, man. Hey, it's like a, like what you call them? Like a, a, underwash where they were running down the street. He said, hey, don't break that heat to my heart.
Starting point is 01:11:04 there you go yeah I'm all I got some news I want to run by y'all real quick what do they do it says uh LeBron James and ESPN are reportedly nearing the deal on a behind the scenes documentary series similar to Michael Jordan's last dance y'all think this is last year even though he signed that two-year deal bro they think he can go for more yeah you said I'm saying who's finalizing the deal uh ESPN ESPN and who else? ESPN is nearing a deal to do a behind-the-scenes documentary on LeBron James, bro, similar to the last dance of Michael Jordan. Here's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:11:50 He's trying that two-year deal with Philly. I think he probably only going to play one. Hopefully they win a chip. He out. He's done. He won, he done. I'm telling you all that now. He win and he done.
Starting point is 01:12:01 That boy ain't going nowhere. Think about it. I think so, too. Hey, hey, think about the effect that the last. Dan's head. It was doing COVID when it came out. I don't know if y'all really watched it, boy, but I don't watch it through and through. You hear me? I watched it.
Starting point is 01:12:14 And it changed, it changed how you view Michael Jordan as a competitor, as a Hooper, as our goat. You know, everybody got their different goals, but LeBron Jordan teaches on. Yes, sir. Man, that man fin to do this one, he's going to do this documentary. I'm telling y'all, bro, Philly for he going to be on fire, man. That's the only, I ain't going to lie. You know what, bro, LeBron's so good, bro, like. I think we just hold him up to a standard where it's like, bro, okay,
Starting point is 01:12:43 he, what, 19 years, almost 20 years in the game, you expect him to do 40, 50 points. But if he's still giving you 25, 30, and you want your young guys to do this, he's still got another four years left in him, even if he just get you 13, 14 in his lad, too. D.C., that man on his 24th season, bro. 20, what?
Starting point is 01:13:06 20. He came in at 0.3. 24. What you were doing at 03, bro? I was graduating from elementary. What is it? Smooth. You know, I'm telling people, D.C., check this out. I've been telling, okay, Ocho, I'm like, bro,
Starting point is 01:13:25 you know, a lot of people who hate on Brian, bro, you're going to regret it because I'm telling you, when he's gone, he's going to be missed, bro. I'm telling you. You're going to miss it. You're going to miss it. You're going to miss it. 24 years, bro. They're going to miss you.
Starting point is 01:13:39 And I'm talking about, hey, hey, two decades, over two decades playing at the level that he's playing at, D.C., we ain't never seen it before. I ain't never seen that. And plus, watch his son grow up and then you play with your son. It's just unfathomable.
Starting point is 01:13:51 Like, how do you do that? You know what I'm saying? How do you do that? So, hey, man. They're hard. Hey, man. Our horse is still ticking, too, now. You see, hey, hey, you see you boy,
Starting point is 01:14:02 big guys. Yeah, hold on. Yeah, you see how old and the state is still. Hey, D.C., everybody, everybody, they were a little peckin. I'm a little behind that magic city. I was mad as hell.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Him and that, look, the boy, the white boy throwing all kind of wood in his little celebration. He's talking about the good of the magic. You saw that celebration you were doing when you were throwing them hips in the, and you were throwing all kind of wood. You're throwing all kind of wood, but you're mad at the Magic City girl. Come on, man. Come on, man.
Starting point is 01:14:30 Come on our business, man. Come on, man. Stay out of our business, sir. That's all. Yeah, stay out of our business, sir. I'm there to do with y'all. Who the hell tell y'all to speak about a private party? Yeah, me, while you're doing all kind of hips and stuff.
Starting point is 01:14:43 You try the wings out first, man. Come on. Come on, man. We couldn't even get out. Try the wings out, man. Hey, hey, I ain't going to lie to you. It was still a good time, bro. T.I. performed.
Starting point is 01:14:54 You know what I mean? Like, it was. It was, man. I still got the hoodie. The hoodies is dope. Everybody still got the bad to sit here. You hear me? You hear me?
Starting point is 01:15:03 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, D.C. Man. Hey, hey, we appreciate you for stopping by. Man, it's always love, O.G. Love y'all, Mike. Hey, real talk, me and smooth,
Starting point is 01:15:12 pull up on you, boy, man, see what y'all talking about? Hey, what y'all got? Indica, Tiva. What y'all got? Hybrid, what y'all? He got whatever you left. What, Carlos got? What, Carlos got?
Starting point is 01:15:20 What, Carlos got to? He got the old school. Listen, man, we're going to have to smoke, man, I'm telling y'all. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right. All right.
Starting point is 01:15:32 Hey, appreciate it, boy. I love, O'G's. I appreciate y'all. Yes, sir. Hey, that boy, a whole fool, man. He's funny as hell, boy. That was a good one. Yeah, smooth.
Starting point is 01:15:50 I don't know, man. I think Brian, I think Brian really, he want to win this first year. I think he want to win now. Yeah, so you can go and get it off of it. And I think they're going to have an opportunity to win it this year, too. Like I said, if they know how to figure out that rotation and kind of finagle the regular season where they don't have to play too many impactful
Starting point is 01:16:11 minutes, the ones that they're going to really count on in the postseason. Yeah. I think they're going to be all right, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. They kind of let Jay B and Tyrese kind of run the forefront of the regular season and then let Joel and Bede and LBJ come in, you know what I mean, towards the end and kind of go ahead and finish it all. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:38 They ain't. He's going to get right to it. it, bro. I think they're going to have a hell of a training camp. They all going to be on one accord. They're going to try to jail quickly, even though it's going to be, it's going to oppose some challenges. But I think if anybody could do it, bro, I think, I think, I think Brum Brum, I'm going to be able to get it done. I think my brother is going to get it done. I think, I think we'll probably, just probably be the best we ever seen Joella be in a long time. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:01 You know what I'm saying? I think when you, when you got their pressure of having to play beside a person like LeBron, one of the best players to ever do it and the history of the game. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That pressure is going to be on him to not do all that baby, you know, playing like a baby and be taking nights off and when you really can play. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:17:21 So. Hey, man. You're going to get challenged on a different type of level. I think he would pose some challenges to a plan with LeBron too smooth. Like, everybody can't, you know what I mean? And I think that's- He's going to open his eyes up a little bit. He's going to have, you know, some people like, you know how many steps ahead.
Starting point is 01:17:36 He probably can think the game when he's on the court. You know what I'm saying? They probably Joel and. B doesn't know because he's still bad in traps. You know what I'm saying? When you trap his ass on the block, he'll turn it up, he'll throw it and the standstill. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:50 But if you know, now I've got a guy like LeBron who's unseen tilts, every other, everything in basketball can throw at you as far as on defensive end. And he's still succeeding. He can help him open his eyes up and he can, like, to where he can be making those blind passes like, you know, LeBron does when he's, when he's double-team to something like that, he doesn't tell somebody to be in this certain spot because he knew the double team was going to come, you know,
Starting point is 01:18:18 five seconds before it came, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what it is, bro? It's like Joel and B, he'd be so thirsty to score at times that we're just keeping it real, you know what I mean? And then you look at when you watch Yokic play, he's a willing passer, he's a past first big. It's hard to trap him.
Starting point is 01:18:36 You know what I'm saying? So I think for, I think, I think. He plays at the top before he plays at the ball. bottom, you know what I'm saying? That's what, that's what's good about Nicola. I'm going to start off, but he plays a game like chess, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to start off top of the key. I'm going to be, I'm going to make my right reeds.
Starting point is 01:18:52 And then, you know, when we need a bucket or two, I'm going to go down there and get us a bucket, you know what I'm saying? Other than that, I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to play off my teammates first get them life. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'll be telling, I'll be telling my A.U team like the, the basketball, you got to look at it's like a ball of energy, you know what I'm saying? If I, if I, if I keep the,
Starting point is 01:19:11 energy to myself. I'm draining the life out of everybody else. I got a past a ball. Even if I don't, even if your teammate doesn't score, just him touching the ball. You know what I'm saying? It gives him life and he feels like he's a part of the mission. Hello. Hello. You know what I'm saying? Hello. So I think with M.B. Him being a willing passer, you know what I mean? Not trying to get 30 at night, just keeping it being. Him being a willing passer, loosening up the defense, making it easy for those guys around them, being able to get edge come on them backdoor cuts to
Starting point is 01:19:41 where he yimmy yam and that thing. You hear me? You know, kicking it out after double team fast, you know, we get that quick swing, swing with the three in the corner. I just feel like they got so many ways that they'll be able to beat you, bro. If everybody clicking on the same page, but they're going to be scary, smooth.
Starting point is 01:19:57 They're going to be scared, bro. I think so. I think so, man. But they're going to have to knock that momentum off from what the Knicks don't believe in, man. Those folks got to knock that tight a wave off because it's it's a different type of confidence that they're coming in the season with now that they don't want and they don't knock that
Starting point is 01:20:13 they'll not feel like they'll knock goliath off and wimby you know everybody didn't give them a chance you know what I'm saying so they're for sure they coming with a different type of demeanor and you know what they got they already got that niche that chemistry and continuity that we talk about that Philly is going to be trying to build they already they didn't have it they didn't been through the lows of the NBA the shortcomings now they didn't want a title yeah you're right bro they coming back fighting to keep what's theirs.
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