Club Shay Shay - Best of NBA News Part 1: Steph Curry signs 10-YEAR DEAL with Chinese brand Li-Ning + PARALLELS between Wemby and Tim Duncan's age 22 seasons + SGA's MVP season a FAILURE?!

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe Johnson react to Shai Gilgeous-Alexander viewing his MVP season as a failure after coming up short in the playoffs, Victor Wembanyama at 22 years old facing the New York Knicks in his first NBA Finals mirrors the exact same path Tim Duncan walked at the same age and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Wemby and Duncan similarities are wild29:14 - Steph Curry signs MASSIVE deal with Li-Ning49:30 - SGA calls MVP season a failure after Game 7 loss (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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His rival was shot. Beat the Knicks in five games in the NBA finals. Wemby beat the Blazers beat the wolves defeated his rival Chet faith in the Knicks

in the NBA finals That's scary No it is for real It is for real Like I think You know Seeing San Antonio Because I don't think

We thought San Antonio We thought San Antonio would be here This fans No we thought they're gonna probably be another year year away Because we talked about

Yeah We talked about it I said Joe you remember say, okay, C, they got upset by the Mavericks, came back to next year. Yeah. So I was thinking, Thunder do it, and then they come back next year. Absolutely.

And for them to be on the biggest stage right now, man, this young team is so scary, bro, that, like, potentially, seriously, fellas. I don't know if they could keep all those guys together because, you know, everybody going to want to get paid. but it's hard to construct a team like this to have all this talent on one team so I figure in about two or three years yeah you're going to have a lot of these key pieces gone

but the core obviously Wembe and Yama Castle Harper I guess for sale and Champany like they in tact for the next at least decade I'm just being realistic you know they're going to get people held for the next decade for show I think their core three I think their core three is Harper Castle

and Winnie. Yeah. Yeah. And I know they would like to keep Vassel. I know they'd like to keep Champany. I just don't think it's going to be possible. And I think they're going to probably end up moving off of Fox. Because Harper is too good to keep on the bench.

Joe, you can't keep him on the bed, Joe? You know, he is. You remember that overtime game, game one? Yeah. And I love Fox. Foxx has been amazing. This last game, it showed you why they got it.

Yeah. You just can't keep all those guys, man. You can't. It's hard to have all that talent on one team. It's just too much. And are you right, I'm, I'm looking, hey, if I'm the Spurs at some point,

Dylan Harper is going to be my star. He got to. Hey, hey, hey, hey. When would that be, Joe? It probably will be next year, What would that be? Yeah. It's going to be either next year or the year after.

He ain't got more than two years there. I can see a scenario on the other than now. Because he, you got a great situation. Fox, you can learn from a veteran player. Fox is still unbelievable. But this kid is, I can't, Joe, I can't keep him on the bench. I can't. I think you can play both for them if you just want me to be honest, which

it's hard to play three guards, Joe, even though you got Wimby. And that kind of hurt them a little bit. I mean, because you got to, when you play three guards, you've got to have a conscience like, hey, we got to hit the glass. We got to. We talked about this with the Dallas wings. When they play a reek and they play backers and they play a fud. Yeah.

It's tough. It is. It is. But it's, and I think the thing, you can keep teams that come up together as long as they understand the pecking order. I don't think there'll ever be a situation. I could be wrong. You don't know what the mindset is.

Is that Harper Castle think there are better than Wemby. That's when you run into problems. I don't think they're going to run in that. I think they understand the picking order and they know by having him he makes the game so much easier for those guys.

How was that picking order in LA Hey How was that pecking order in Cleveland? Hey Joe? I'll be using them bad when it happened now I'm listening Go ahead, feel as soon Tell him what Joe and I about this

Because you were the rioting What's the time? What's your time? With the Lakers When they won three championships in the row How did that pecking on that? Oh, that's because you got you But that's because you got two damn alphas

You got two damn alpha How do you fake Castle? Do you not fake he's an alpha? Did you see this man? Dylan Harper said, Yeah, yeah, come on, come on, bro. Come on, bro.

Come on, bro. Hey, come on, bro. And you need that. And you need that, bro. You need that from him, but what I'm saying is, I think they understand how unique Wimby is. Man, you ain't, you ain't going to,

if he on your damn team, he's going to be option one. And you're going to be two. Period point blank. Kobe said, no, I don't want to be two no more. Well, we know Cole was a little different. Yeah, the man, Bill looked there. But you guess what?

Hold on these kids. Hold on these kids. Was he ever a two? Yes. Not in his mind. Not in his mind. Okay. Bro.

When Kobe got there 96, who thought Kobe, who thought Kobe was better than Jack? Nobody. Nobody. When he first got there, nobody. He was a top 50 player all time. in his fourth year

but come on what Kobe turned himself into with that relentless drive and work ethic yes he became that but bro let's not fool ourselves when they arrived in L.A. at the same time

it wasn't close no it wasn't close but what Kobe worked and turned himself into yes yes his mind I'm not no, too.

I'm the one. Every year you saw Kobe get better. It was like, like, oh, man, every year. Same thing when you watched AR, you watched AR or the undrafted free agent, and every year you see his points increase. You see him getting better. You see him getting better. You see him getting better.

You watch Kobe, and every damn year he got better. The guy that was laughing at that when he airballed that shot. Yeah. And it, hey. Hey, it could be the same turning point for check now. You know, everybody been talking about. No, no, no. We ain't got that.

Kobe always had that in him. We don't, we, we, we, we, it just take a moment. It take a moment for them, for that dog to get to you. I saw it. I'm never going to let a Chihuahua, Pomeranian guard the flock. That's, he going to sit on my lap and he going to bark at the doorbell. And when the mailman stick the bell in the slot, he's going to go tear it up. Yeah.

That's what I got him for. I'm going to get an alibi. I'm going to get a kangal. I'm going to get a boarbo. I'm going to get me one of these big ass Caucasian mastiff. I'm going to let them guard the fire. That ain't chat makeup, though. Joe, that's in you.

Joe, ain't nobody gave you that. It wasn't a situation that it was your upbringing that caused you to be Joe Johnson. It was Ocho's upbringing that caused Ocho to be Chad Johnson. It was my upbringing. That was in me. That ain't on me. Yeah.

There's certain things you can't, you can't coach, Joe. Certain things you can't coach. You have an it factor. Everybody has that it's factor. Some people got it. Some people don't. You can't coach it.

You're born with it. Yes. You're born with it. Yes. Look, but here's the thing, no, Joe. That's the demons. Ched is, if you're an alcoholic, chatted is the drink.

If you got a gambling problem, Cheddar is the casino. Wimby is the casino. If you got a girl addiction, Wimby is the model. So whatever your weakness is, he's it? Yeah. How do you face it? How do you stare it down?

Gotta go through his hand. Because guess what, Joe? If you have an addiction of alcohol, guess what you got to do, Joe? I got to go by every liquor store, every day for the rest of my life and not go in there. I got to be able to go to a restaurant and order water or a soda

and not a drink. I go out with the boys to watch a game. I got to walk by the bar and go sit in the back and have a good time while everybody else is drinking. I got to be able to go, hey man, we're going to Vegas. I don't know if I can go to Vegas. It's like me and Houston.

I got to go to Houston. Every time I got to go to Houston. man, me and Joe. Hey. There's a saying that says, we create our demons, only we can chase them away. Yeah.

We go into Houston, damn it. We're going to Houston. I'm going to chase my demons away. I'm going to Houston. And I'm going to be outside. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Hey, that's good energy, y'all.

Yeah. Oh, my bad. Hey. I said that I love. I like the language you talking, man. That's what I'm talking about. I like it. I like it. Hey, you, and you know what?

And you said that with some conviction. That's how I know you meant it. Yeah. Fent that. Oh, Lord. Yeah. That's all. I'm with you when you're right.

I ain't bothered nobody. Mike Brown was asking if it's difficult to separate his connection to the Spurs organization. and Deere and Fawkes ahead of the NBA finals. They definitely want to beat me and I want to kick their ass. I love them and you could always love them before and after. Joe, you ever... So how was it when you played, when you played,

when you were Atlanta and you played Phoenix? Or you went to the Brooklyn and you played Atlanta and you played Phoenix. How was that? I tried to try to get at third of every game. I try and I damn that succeeded. a lot of times. I ain't saying I did it every time, but a lot of the times I would try to get a ass hell,

especially Phoenix. When I left Phoenix and came here, I tried to get them boys hell every time they seen me. They know it. They knew it. Hey, hey, what we talk about, I ain't got to say a damn thing,

but my energy alone lets you know. Oh, he ain't messing around today. He ain't, hey, hey, we're going to have to send that double on his ass because he think he'd come in here and give us 35, 40 points. Hell, no. Yeah, that's how my energy was. Oh, Cho.

Did you play the Bengals when you went to New England? No, no, sir. Remember, I was only that one season. And when they ran that gauntlet that year, I didn't shoot. I think they might be, boys might have lost but two, three, maybe three games that season. We, uh, no, we didn't play. I played the, man.

Man, how funny is this, man? I leave the Broncos. I go to the Ravens. I first play out game. Guess who it's against, Joe? Who? Ravens? Oh, the Broncos.

Oh, man. The Broncos. You try to get it. You're trying to get ass hell when you're on. My first catch, Joe, my first catch. They call the pass. It's kind of windy day. I know tomorrow.

I just called him the Big M. It's a derogatory term. It wasn't derogatory at the time, but since, you know, I've been known little people say it's derogatory. but let's just call him. I call him a way of a little person. Right, right.

He had every size body, but he had a little short arms. We call the pass. He goes into the plant. I see Trent rare back to throw it. I say, ain't no way in hell. Big Marr going to catch this. Yeah. I said, let me go ahead and head that way.

So I start getting me a little light jog. I head that way just in case it boppels up in the air. I'm going to have to catch. I'm going to have to chase. somebody down. Right. What happened? Sure enough, he bobbed it up in the air.

A defender tip it. I catch it. Go down the sideline, 58 yards for a touchdown, Joe, in front of the Broncos bench. Hey, hey, you know what it is? It's because when you're playing your former team, bro, you be so in tune. You know what I mean? And it's like the

littlest things that can happen for you. It's like, because I don't have games. or I played against former teams and it didn't go so well. But for the most part, you'd be so locked in because you want your damn get back. You know, you just feel away.

You know what I mean? And you want to come out and put on a hell of a performance. I know exactly what you're talking about. And my thing was, it was because I still had a lot of friends over there. It was the fact. And I told, and I already

up having a conversation with Mike, and I said, Mike, I'm not upset. that you tried to trade me and you end up not even offering me a contract, it was the fact that you thought you'd be better without me. Yeah.

I said, there are so many things that I do outside of the football. You just look at what I do on the football field. Right. When all that's, when I left and the locker room went to chaos and all that other stuff was going on, had a conversation like 84. You're right.

But I got, I ain't with three passes, had like 70 yards, but it was that one play. And then every big play that we needed to get to the Super Bowl, I made it. That made me feel good

because they didn't think I could play at that level. And even though I didn't get the opportunities that I got younger in my career in Denver, give me an opportunity. I'll make a play. Knowing that defense, once Marvin Lewis said,

hey, Shay, because it was a running joke. We started a joke. like Marvin, how many points you need to date? Marvin said we give us this. So we playing Tennessee. So we beat the Broncos. He's like, we say Broncos not going to score anything on us.

I said, what you need in Tennessee? He said, he said, Shea give us 10. I said, Marvin, they got the best record in the NFL. They got statistically their defense was better than ours. He said, yeah. Give us 10. Give it to us early. They scored.

place going crazy. They bust the coverage. I go down, I catch a 58-yard pass, go down to the one. Jamal's score. They kick a field goal. We kick a field goal. Then they try to pick another field goal.

We block it, running back for a touchdown. They throw a swing pass to Ed in the flat. Ray Pickett go back for a touchdown. So we beat them. So we're feeling good. So we're going out early. We're going out early to the Raiders because we're playing them.

They're in Oakland. my best friend Sharon, she passes. She was supposed to meet me in Tennessee, but she ends up passing. So I end up having to go out there. I have to go out there to Denver, obviously to her home going service. So I don't ride on the plane out there

because normally I'm up the front. So the veteran players, if you got 10 years or more, you sit up front with the coaches, everybody else in the back. So I didn't get a chance. So when I get to the hotel, on that Saturday, I say, Mar, what we're looking like? He says, he says, Shea, give us seven.

I say Marvin. I said, Marvin, they got the number one offense in football. What you mean? He said, Shea, give us seven, give it to us early. So I say, Shug, be honest now. Because we always sit at the table. We always said, me, Shug, Woody. Ron Wilson, Corey Harris.

We always set together. I said, sure. I said, sure, what we're looking like. What we're looking at me. He looked at me dead in my eyes. He said, Shea, give us seven the first quarter. It's over. I said, what?

I ain't telling what Marvin had told me. I said, come. Go ahead and over there, man. I say, you know a big place, Shea good for seven. I say, I said, I said, I said, Stover got a got a kick in him. That's 10. So you're saying if we get the 10 points,

he says, Shea, if we get the seven points and y'all don't turn it over, they done. We good. Hey, uh, hey, um, Hey, Joe, I don't think people understand how good that 2000 Ravens defense was. They would like that, oh, Joe. Joe, I don't even think,

I think if the 2000 Ravens defense was playing today, everybody on that team would be suspended. Oh, yeah. You could, you could, you can't play. like that now. They are now. Joe, the way they played. Oh, we're knocking your quarterback out of the game.

Your backup, get your quarterback ready to play because they're going to knock your starter out. There was no weakness, Joe. You know, every time you play a team, there's always the fish. We call them the fish, Joe. You know, when we go through our game plan, we go through our scouting report, you find who the fish is, you find who the weak league is, and that's what you pick on. You pick on the fish.

Joe ain't no fish out there. But with them back then? Yeah. And stop playing. Joe, you got to realize they gave up 3, 10, 3, 0. Damn. Stingy. Every offensive player other than the last player of the game that was a kneel down,

ended in a punt or a turnover for them. They had 16 possessions. It ended in a punt or turnover. Hold on, but what made that defense so great? Obviously, we know Ray. but what really made it great? You couldn't run the football. They made you one dimensional.

At all. In 16 games, they didn't give up a thousand total yards rushing. You couldn't run in. So now they know you got to throw it. All they played was covered two. But your third foot, that ball better be out your hands.

Oh, they're going to knock your quarterback out. Go back and look at the hit that Rob Burnett put on Achilles Smith. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did he? Hey, that was a similar. If you were to hit a quarterback like that today, you are getting suspended. Chat, go look at that shot that Rob Burnett

put on Achilles Smith. If you hit a quarter, I mean, he took two steps and got ready to throw, and Rob Burnett put his helmet right up under his chin. I remember that. Boy, look here. You got a real joke. In 20 games, they didn't give up 200 points in 20 games.

As a matter of fact, they didn't give up 190 points in 20 games. Boy, good, way. Putting it down. But, you know who ain't seen them boy, Joe? Who? Me? Huh?

I ain't see them boy, Joe. You good? Ocho. Ocho. Ocho, how many yards you had to get some boy? He wasn't in the league, did? Nah, I came in the next year. Oh, okay.

Hey, Joe, I still ain't seen him boy, Joe. Yeah. We had that little, you know, we had a little, you know, we had a wild wild west or Ocho. What y'all have done? You know, little, we can't say, you know, I'm supposed to start with a B and end with a Y.

We put a little money on the head. Hey, dead or a line. Hey, they already had money on my head anyway, Joe. And I didn't see that. Look, Mike Brown wants to win a championship. There ain't very many of us of color that won an NBA title. Yeah.

Joe Missoula, Lenny Wilkins, Bill Russell as a player coach, Al Addles, Doc Rivers. Yes, sir. I mean, the NBA had been going on for 80 years. I think that's it.

What is Mitch Johnson? He blamed, ain't it? But I'm saying, yes, they want to win. And it's a rarity, guess what? That they go against each other. Yeah, yeah. Hey, y'all looked at that hit. Oh, there it is.

Y'all looked at that hit that Robber then put on the Keely Smith? You put it up. Pull it up. We can't show it. We're allowed to play it. You're not allowed to play it, huh? But you can pull up, take a look at it. I mean, bro, he didn't even get fully in his drop.

Ball was gone. Yes, Casey Jones. So Bill Russell, Russell did it, Al Adels. Casey Jones, Joe Missoula, Doc Rivers, Ty Lou. Did we leave out of anybody? And now we're about to get another one. Yeah. It's going to be interesting, though.

So what is it, six? Because I have one with the Warriors. Obviously, we know Russell and Casey Jones won with the Celtics. Doc run with the Celtics. Joe Missou won with the Celtics. Ty Lou won with the Cavs. Hey, hung his Rod. It's Rod Barnett?

Rob. He and I came out together. He's from Syracuse. We came out 90 together. Goose came out. I think Goose might have been a seventh round pick. Goose might have been the 12th round. A goose might have been a free agent. We checked. We are asked by to check the text, uh, text the link to you. Yeah, I got it. 1999, week five. 2000. Man, we put a hurdle, y'all. Hey, hey, Joe, I couldn't, you know, hit a, uh-uh. You know, I got a little touch.

You all, hey, see that test that I put on your boy, Darrell Williams. Joe shook, oh, I shook him. Ooh, did I? Hey, hey, DeWil get hit, boy. I, you know, then I come back, then I went back down in Cincinnati, put two on his head. Bill Russell. Yeah, that's right.

Casey Jones, Lenny Wilkins, Doc Rivers, Joe Missoula, Tailoo. Seven. You miss anybody? Yes. So, we said, Russell, Al Adels, Casey Jones, Lenny Wilkins,

Doc Rivers, Joe Missoula, Tailu. Did we miss anybody, chat? Hey, that was a nice little stunt, man. That was a nice stunt. Man, that was a big time. Man, that bad I would have took words. Ocho, you know if you hit a quarterback like that,

now you get suspended, right? Hey, put all your weight on him like that. You're out the game. That was a nice stunt. That was a nice little stunt. I'm not even going to lie. We have a brother. Sacramento has watched Luca Donchich,

Tyrese Halliburton, Darren Fox, and Mike Brown all reached the NBA final within the last two years. They passed on Luca, traded Halley, fired Mike Brown and moved on from Fox. And all they got in return was the first round exit in 2023.

Joe, what's going on with the Kings? Their infrastructure bad. there ain't no way around it. I don't even know how you cut or the slice it. Hallie played in the finals last year, Mike Brown in the finals, Fox in the final. Come on, bro.

Yeah, it ain't the damn coaches in the players. Obviously, we see that now. It's the organization. It's the infrastructure, bro. It's obviously, it's bad. It started at the top, huh? I say it started the top, huh? Yeah, it got to, bro.

Like, when you look at all these situations, these guys going to different teams, coaches coaching different teams, and they are having success. And you look at the Kings, bro, they've been in dumps, Uncle Ocho Hill. Man, they've been in a dump since a C-Webnam left. And bibbing them left on. They've been bad ever since C-Wab now. And so I don't know, man.

I don't know how you get around. What pick they got this year? I think they got like, They need a bunch of pigs. I think they got, like, they're being reported, Joe, that they're thinking about moving on from, what's the big tall guy?

They're a Chrissy. No, no, no, no, the player, the Lithuanian. Uh, uh, uh, his dad was, his dad played. The Lifty. So bonus. Yes.

The bonus. Yes. I told Ocho, Ocho, they believed that he was 7-1. Hold on. I thought, I thought Sabonis was already gone. He ain't already, he's still there. Yeah, they probably, he's going to help something down by.

He ain't, he ain't, look, Sabonis is good, but his dad was a hell of a player. He, I mean, his dad was by the time he got to the, got to the States and played with Portland, he's old and beat up. But boy, you're talking about past the basketball? He was, he was Yokish passing before Yokic. He used to get Shaq some, he used to get Shacks. He said a three. Could shoot the three. Hey, Joe, the mock draft got A-Cuff going to the Kings.

Oh, man, they got my... I don't want A-Cove to go to the Kings, bro. Hey, but you're right. Sabon is, I think he was shooting threes back then. Yes. The center wasn't shooting three. He was one. Only center shooting threes back there.

Probably like him. and Sam Perkins, you know, them big guys. Big guys want to shoot three like that back there. But you go back and look at him when he played for the unified team. Well, I don't know. I think they were called the Russian team. They later became the unified. Oh, here.

He was serious. They used to get a man. High IQ. High IQ. The past the crap of that ball. I know exactly what you're talking about. But it was what you call them. It was the Brazilians.

I think they beat them in the, they ended up beating David Robinson them. when they had the legendary Oskar Schmidt, the Brazilian, Joe. Now, you're talking about a bucket-getter? I think he dropped like 48 on the Americas. And that was when they said, you know what? Enough of this.

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I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stopped by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. You said to me, You know, keep at it, because you let me rap for you. It was magical for all. of us. They go, ah, we made it, we made it. Yeah, I'm like, we? You know, I'm like, I know these guys, but who are you? I'm MC Jen, and this is laugh but not least. I'll be chatting with guests from all walks of life about the power of humor when it comes to facing difficult times, like the co-founder of Rough Riders, Darren D. Dean. Talking about as a kid, do you remember that we

met even way before? Let me think, did you walk up to the gate? That was me, Dee. That was me. The day we found out that you and the whole crew is at Hit Factory. The mission. was to get me to go to the gate, start freestyling, and see if I could get in the studio. I'm rapping, and then suddenly I hear a voice, hey, open the gate, let him in. The gate slowly went, come, come, come, come, come. They all, they're watching this, and they watch me walk into there, and that is a moment that I will remember for the rest of my life. Listen to laugh but not least with MC Jen starting on June 9th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. where comfort is the new power move.

Steph Curry made a power move signing a 10-year endorsement deal with the Chinese company, Lee Ning, officially ending a recruitment process following his departure from Under Armour. Part of Steph's ultimate decision was about his comfort while testing the shoes of two Lee Neeg's signature athletes, Jimmy Butler, his fellow warrior teammate, and Dwayne Wei. Lee Ning plans to build a Curry brand stores in the United States and in China. Joe, thoughts of signing Lee Ning over bigger brands,

like Nike and Adidas. Lee Ning, obviously, they're paying their cheddar, but they got a, they make a pretty good damn shoe. Do you? Oh, Joe. Yeah, they do make a pretty good shoe. And the fact that they're over there in what, China? Yes.

You know, I don't think, I don't think the brands here in the States, meaning like the Nike's and the Adidas and things of that sort. I don't think they're really doing too great. I think Lee Ning is actually, they've been great over the years, bro. And to get Steph Curry, to get him a signature shoe, a signature brand, to where he can sign these other guys under his brand, I think is what Lee Ning is trying to do. And I'm not so sure other brands was going to give him that opportunity.

Nike is very conscious about that. Really, if you think about it, who's up under Nike? Jordan. Yep. LeBron hadn't been able to do that yet because LeBron said, I went to Nike about trying to sign Luca Jordan. KD.

And maybe KD doesn't want that. But I know LeBron wants to sign athletes under his... Absolutely. And he hasn't been able to do that. And I'm not so sure Nike is trying to do... I don't think they want another situation like Jordan where they're giving up four, five, six hundred million dollars a year.

And they're going to go young. They're getting these young. Young guys, Curry got about three, four years left to where he's probably going to be playing. They're going younger, man. These top brands going to get these young cats and they're going to build them up. But you also, Joe, these guys are not like when we came out, Nike was everything. But you see Cooper Flag, he went to New Balance. You see guys going to Puma, guys doing sketches.

Guys, look, hold on. How much you offer Nike? New Balance. How much you say you got? Man, give me that New Balance. You look, hey, let me get that Puma. Hey, hey, they're right in chase longest. Yeah, man.

You hear me? They ain't playing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So them, hey, hey, hey, them folks going with all these brands, the new balances, the Pumas, and all that. Yeah, you're right. Everybody's competing now.

It's not just one brand like it used to be Nike or Adidas. You got so many other brands, bro, who are competing. And they're getting a lot of these, a lot of star talent. They're getting them early, too. so they can build it and build it and build it. Man, y'all know this thing all about money, man. Bro. Why are we playing?

Nike's going to offer you $5, $6 million, and then here comes new battle is going to get you $15.20. Come on now. Let's be real. And you know, hey, our life, childhood growing up, Nike was everything. Was that joint you dropped in 85? It was a rap.

It was awful. I ain't even think about no converse no more. I ain't think, look, I, I, I, I had a converse because everybody had the weapons, Magic Johnson Labbird, had the Dr. J's. They were heavy as hell. Had the city with a pony Spudwell. But, boy, look, man, let me go get that $100 shoe.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, it took me a little while before I could get them joins. I ain't going to lie to you. I was in pay less of my mama, XJ 900. They looked like joins, but they weren't no damn joins. But you got them some XJ 900, Joe? Yeah, man. Yeah, when I was...

You know, if I saw you, you know, I would hit you with... Boy, what are those? I'd have whooped your ass, too. Huh? I'd have whooped your ass too. Hey, no, my mama... Hey, I got them joined twos.

Man, my mama waited a laugh, paid $100. My mom said, boy, you're going to wear the shoe to. You're 25. Hey, they're $100 back then for some shoes. Well, a lot of money, bro. Hey, look, I'm gonna tell you how something. When my mama started paying that type of money,

$120 for them... For them night. them joins, them Webbels, them Barclays, because you were getting team shoes, you best believe that the following couple weeks, them lights of their gas bill is going to be out. One of them are going to be off. I promise you, one of them are going to be off.

Yeah, yeah. Dave. Oh, man. I got them shoes in the day. I hit them fields. I started buying my own. I won the ball. Hey, I wasn't a borough.

Hey, my sister tell you, I spent my whole check on one Ponsar's shirt, one pair of Lee jeans, One pair of Calvin Cline. One pair. Man, I spent my whole damn check. And by that time, Joe, I had started making like $16 to $20 a day. Yeah.

You couldn't hit shade and ass with a red apple. Man, I was hell what I would wear. I think I had an I had an Azo shirt, Oz shirt, Azoid belt, Oz socks to match, and darksiders. If y'all might run my age, y'all know exactly what I'm talking about. Had them Calvin'Cline, had some circular rigo-a-lettos. Man, I would.

Yeah. O'Shea. Hey. With doing it. Hey, I know what you mean. That didn't happen to me, Uncle, until I got to, until I got to college. Boy, I started getting that Pell Grant, Uncle, Ocho, their 2,900 of Sam. Damn.

I sent my, I sent my mama by 11,200. Yeah. Hey, the fellas don't see me in the cafeteria for about two, three weeks. I'm not free. I'm out here bawling. I'm out here bawling. Listen, I don't bought me two, three pairs shoes. I didn't rent all that little money out.

Huh? What? Hey, man, y'all We got that little work study. We got, we got, we got work study, Joe. But you had to work, but, you know, you had to get a little job. Maybe you like, the dorm stuff. I work for Coach Davis.

Yeah. Hey, and Coach Davis, I was the only one that didn't really have to work. I come over there with my homework. I said, Coach Davis, I ain't fin the line to you, coach. I said, I ain't going to do no work. I said, I'm not going to go. But he said, man, I ain't going to go get my dry cleaner. I said, coach, I ain't going to do that.

I said, Coach, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to go put no gas in no truck. I'm going to come here. I'm going to do my homework. He's like, all right, all. Damn, don't tell nobody else. I don't work enough. But I ain't tried to do.

Hey, I'm trying to do it as little as possible. I'm going to get that $400. Now, some people, well, you ain't got to work, but you got to shoot me $100. Man, I wish I might, you ain't get my $400. I shoot you $100. Right. Right. Nah, nah, yeah, not.

Hey, I know what you mean, boy. But I've been there. I thought maybe Nike would circle back, but Joe, I see your point. Them boy, they're like, hold on. Steph got two, three more years. Hey, Unk, Nike shouldn't have had the circle back. Yeah. They shouldn't have had.

You make me, make me an offer, I can't refuse. And obviously, the fact that they had the circle back means that they play with. Man, but look here. Lee, I bet. He ain't got that money, though, Joe, Ocho. And they're going to give him things. They're going to create a golf, a golf brand. Remember, Nike got out of the golf.

Yeah. You know what they? Yeah. You remember when Ty's good, they used to have irons and have all that stuff. Now they do a little bit of apparel, but I think a step trying to go all in on the golf and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I bet I bet Nike did offer him something, but it wasn't to his liking.

You know, I bet you, Lee Nien came with a sweet dig. Like Oxay, you know he's super in the golf. I bet you're going to come out with a golf line and all that. But being able to have a curry brand and to be able to sign guys under that, I bet you that was probably a deep value into what he really wanted to do. I absolutely believe that's it. Yeah, I believe that's it. And Lee Nien going to get it.

And Lee Ning going to get it done. Oh, yeah. Lee Ning. They got, hey, that Chinese market is you. Because when those guys go on to it, Where they go, Joe? You see James Hart with Adita. When you used to see rest of your soul, Kobe Bryant,

you see LeBron, you see D. Wade, you see all these guys. Where they go? China. Thailand, Thailand, Taiwan. All, yes. That Asian. Yep. And them people are wearing them shoes over there, bro.

Yeah. So, smart move. Congratulations, Steph. Senior boy player, size 13. Yeah, I need 16. I got these, uh, I got these, uh, I got these Steph Curry. So I'm a whole load. You ain't never bought it.

You ain't never got a pair of underarm of Steph Curry. He signed him for him. Oh, did he? Yeah, I remember that. Damn, that might be worth something, huh? Hey, Joe, I mean, Ocho might not do it. But I put these on, Joe. I'm telling you now.

You what? You telling me now what? I might have these on when I shoot that three-form competition to get you on. Oh, it is. Hey, well, bring it on now. Bring it on out. Hey, hey, hey, uh, but Joe gonna lose twice.

He's gonna lose to me and he's gonna lose to you. As a matter of fact, Joe, I'm gonna put the shoes up and the ball. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I was saying. I ain't wanted to look like I was robbing you, but that's what I was, I was going to suggest that. Why about? I think I go tear to 10 and call it a day.

Nah, ain't. 10 and call it a day. You, I'm gonna tell you, to compete, you're going to have to at least go 8 for 10 for show, though. You got to go eight for ten. Because if I miss one, it's going to be luck. I'm putting, that's how confident I am in it. Look at this, chat.

That's a Louis Vuitton basketball, official NFL Louis Vuitton ball. And I'm going to put up the Steph Curry shoes that I personally got up after they beat the Lakers. I took him off his feet. He signed him. Hey, Chad. Chad, I already ordered a little ring for that ball to scene. I'm going to put it right behind me. I'm going to put it.

I'm going to put it right up. Right up there. You ain't got the order. Yeah, yeah. You ain't going to get it? I got the flow. I got the little flow ring. It's going to mount it to the wall right here.

I'm going to mount it to the wall. Hey, who's saying that song? Never going to get it. Never going to get it. Never going to get it. Woo, woo, woo, woo. Hey. Hey, it's my baby birthday.

Happy birthday. Yeah, in two minutes. She turned 11 and she graduate tomorrow. Okay. Oh, congratulations. Oh, congratulations. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.

Yeah. Is that the one that play tennis? No. No, that's her sister. Okay. Okay. Congratulations. Enjoy.

Yeah. Yeah. And matter of fact, I ate chat. I'm going to give y'all her cash app and everybody sent her the $1,000. You're going to be pretty good if you said 10. Okay, ten. Matter of fact, let me see how much y'all love my child. Yeah, man.

I don't know. Ash, how much this basketball costs? Don't you worry about it, Joe, because you won't get it. It, you know, it don't matter how much it's going to look way better over here. I can't let you do it, Joe. Hey, Joe, you're going to look. Hey, Joe, hey, Uncle Joe just be talking and don't realize what he got in store. I mean, you must be, I keep telling you, I was born in 68.

I came out of good stock, not Woodstock. Ooh, yeah. What, what that mean? Hey, oh, Joe. On stockage, this basketball is $4,500. Joe, you never go see the date. You never go see this. Man, please.

Hey, I can't wait for it to be posted up right here. He definitely winning. You see that rotation, Joe. Oh, yeah. I got, I see it, but I got you on. Hey, I didn't side step in a hitter three on you. Oh, no, no. No, sir.

No, sir. I can't wait for this here, boy. Oh, we. Hey, look, you, Ocho. you and Ocho already I don't have made believers out of y'all already I hate to keep doing y'all because I really like both of y'all

you, y'all really, both of y'all really some cool dudes. But I have to, I have to make a point to say an example with you board, man. And you're not going to say nothing here, Joe. Okay, all right. I'm letting you know, I'm letting you know right now. What did you let me know?

You know what, I'm done talking. I don't even want to talk about it. Yeah, okay. I just want to play. I already signed anywhere from 6,000 to 26,000. So I got, I got my $12,000, $12, $14, maybe $12 to $27,000 with the merchandise that you're not going to get, Joe. Hey, thank you in advance. Thank you for what.

Thank you for what. Thank you in advance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to take that off your hand, man. Hey, we already know that. I can't. We already know that. We already know that.

Hey, hey, hey, and I want my rematch in the cornhole, too. Oh, no, no, no. Joe, that bank wasn't even close, though, Joe. No, no, no, don't do that. You want to rematch on golf? We go to the real golf course. If you want, we go to top golf. You can't, you only, now, you, you, you got,

you, your, Ocho got lucky with that just a little putting thing. Y'all really can't, y'all really can't beat me in golf neither. Oh, my goodness. See, Joe, you started all this talking. I wouldn't even talking about no golf. I wasn't even, you started this. Now, hey, when we, when we, when we going out, That's all I want to know.

When we're going outside? Would you want to, we'd you want to, we got to find something because, look, we're taking a vacation. We're going to take a two-week vacation. And we come, when we come back, we might come back outside. Hercules, hey, now we're talking. Hey, I'm going to be in hell of shape, too. Because, uh, dark, you know, we got dark.

You know, we got what you call them? pool, ping pong, come on now. I already, no pool. I said, hey, I'm a combination of Everett's and Earl Strickland. That's, I'm a combination. He, he, he, he, he, he, go. Oh, come on, man.

Come on, man. Come on, I'm trying to be cool with you. Ben's in the house. I'm trying to be cool. Y'all don't listen, boy. Okay, wait, I, I'm sorry, Joe. I mean, if you just, if you want the ball, I'll give you the ball, but you can't get it.

No, no, no, no, no. When I beat you for it, I'm going to feel better about having that. And then Chad or no, chat or no, that, you know, boy, that damn Iso ain't nothing to be played with. The way he whoop och-o ass, the way he didn't want over there and whoop onka-ass. Hey, Joe, you're not getting past me. So your best bet is to play on first. That's your best bet.

Nah. Get your confidence up before you come over here. I'm so confident. I put the shoes that Steph signed to. me up. He can't beat me in the three-point competition. Staff, the great. Hey, uh-uh, uh-uh, if you just want to give me the shoes, I understand. Because that, that's basically what you're doing. You know what I mean? And I, hey, hey, I like it, okay? I hate to beat you down like that, man, but I'm going to have to show you. I'm going

to have to make you a believer. Okay. I see what's going on. I see what going on. Okay, you're going to make me a believer. You and Ocho, y'all don't think fat meat grease. I'm going to show y'all ass, though. It ain't. Yeah. Then I'm going to hit that Currie, that Shimmie Curry be doing. Hey, you're going to hit that, uh... For the first time since 2000. That Antoine Walker.

What you say on, Joe? I say Joe going to hit that Antoine Walker like you hit that three. Yeah. He already knew it. I'm just telling you. Hey, I figure I go seven for 10, eight to ten. It's easy.

Easy money. Because I'm a corner, in that corner three, that's me. Yeah, I made the living. for that corner three, Joe. I ain't going no less than nine for 10. I'm just letting you know. I'm going to let you go first because once I get that groove,

I'll tell you like this. If Pete and repeat was on the fence and Pete fell off who was left? Yeah, that's right again. Repeat. If Pete and repeat was on the fence and Pete fell off, who was left Joe or don't Joe?

Repeat. I'll just let you know, Joe. I'll just let you know. All right. I don't really like to get involved, because I don't like the competitive juices to come out. But I... Yeah.

You do. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I get it. I understand. I understand. I understand.

Hey, Joe. He ain't going to be nothing. I'm having my day looking like Chad. He'll be looking like shit. What I'm doing with it. Hey, that's what I told him yesterday. Hey, hey, hey, one thing about me, boy, I'm fighting back now. Yeah, I don't know what the hell of y'all think this is.

Joe Holmo. Hey, what's the point of fighting back? If you ain't, you can't land no punches. You seen me go berserk after you and I talked stuff to me after their first, after they look up. Y'all seen me go berserk. You see how I lost my mind. I lost my mind. I couldn't even control myself no more.

Huh? Don't y'all get me started. Don't worry about it. Hey, we get outside. We get them darts. We get disco. Like I said, we got a lot of stuff to do. We got the axe throw.

Oh, man, come on, man. Come on, man. It's like taking candy from a baby. I already know you're not going to beat me fish. So you can get that up. That is a wrap. I'm telling you, I just look like this. I'm a bad mofo. I'll just let you know.

No, you're not, Joe. Okay. All right. Okay. Like I say, I just need to know, are we fishing for whatever bite, or we're going to catch a particular type of fish? That's all I need to know. Man, when I throw it out there, I don't get it out there,

if I catch a snake. I bet I catch something. I bet you, hey, go, Joe. This man going out there fishing. This man going out there fishing for garfish and all kind of foolishness. Come on, man. I'm fishing with the hell biting. What's biting today?

What's biting? Yeah. Oh, okay. For the first time since 2009, the Larry O'Brien trophy will be displayed at Center Court during the NBA Finals. This is the first time since the NBA is using the design since 2009 finals between the Lakers and the Magic. Joe, are you happy to see the NBA bring the classic look back?

I'm very happy, fellas. Listen, the finals are very prestige, and I don't like when we watch the finals, and it's like a regular playoff game or regular NBA game. Put the big decal out there of the trophy to where we can really immerse ourselves into the finals and what the finals is really about, knowing that we're watching, you know, the greatest event that basketball has to offer. I think this is fantastic, bro, for them to bring this back. Hopefully they keep it for the years ago.

Why did they take it away? Were the guys slipping on the logo or something? What happened? I have no idea. I wonder if that was a problem or not. I said, yeah. So I wonder what have they done for it not to be sleek now. Yeah.

Hey, you know whoever went in this, they're going to take part of center court because, you know, Jordan had it in his home. You should. Yeah, yeah, you should. Damn, this is going to be a great one. This is going to be a great finance. Yeah, man, that may look good. They look good. I mean, it's already painted.

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Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, Nick? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a...

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with the name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember I think it was on a call about what we should call it And we were thinking I'm originally calling it

One of the early names of our band Before Jonas Brothers This is how you guys remember it going down Yes I have a very different memory of this We were talking about a thing A bit for the podcast For people could call in and say hey Jonas And then I wrote down on my little notepad

Hey Jonas And offered it up as a potential title For the podcast But thanks for remembering that You guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store. I had to go down Jefferson Davis Park.

If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching.

You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.

And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball like, After you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You said to me, yo, you know, keep at it, because you let me rap for you. It was magical for all of us. We made it. We made it. Yeah. I'm like, we? You know, I'm like, I know these guys, but who are you?

I'm MC Jen, and this is laugh but not least. I'll be chatting with guests from all walks of life about the power of humor when it comes to facing difficult times, like the co-founder of Rough Riders, Darren D. Dean. Talking about as a kid, do you remember that we met even way before? Let me think. Did you walk up to the gate? That was me, Dee. That was me. The day we found out that you and the whole crew was at Hit Factory, the mission was to get me to go to the gate, start freestyling,

and see if I could get in the studio. I'm rapping, and then suddenly I hear a voice, hey, open the gate, let him in. The gate slowly went. They all, they're watching this, and they watch me walk into there, and that is a moment that I will remember for the rest of my life. Listen to laugh but not least with MC Jen starting on June 9th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. FGA causes MVP year of failure after Game 7 loss.

I failed at my goal. I did not achieve what I wanted to achieve, but I learned the most about myself and make the greatest amount of increase in my career when I fail and I don't get what I want. I look at this no different. I didn't get to where I wanted to go this season. There's a reason for that. Now I have to look for that reason and try to make sure it never happens again.

Joe, in the regular season, Shea averaged 31.1 per game on 55% shooting, and he shot 39% from three. During the postseason, in this series, he averaged. 26 points a game on 41% shooting on 29% from 3. Now, everybody wanted to jump on me last night because they played well that one game. And I said, okay, Joe, I'll concede that to you. You and I'm like, I'm going to push back on you a little bit up. I said, okay, I concede that. Yeah.

I said, but Joe, there's no way people can think that he played well in this series. He shot 14% less from the field than what he shot in the regular season. He shot 10% less from three than what he shot in the regular season. And he scored five fewer points. Under what scenario can you say, Shane had a great series? We'll deal with Chet in just a second. We're going to set him aside just for this because I love the way he looked at his approach where he says, look, my ultimate goal was to win an MVP, win the championship with another

final's MVP. That's my ultimate goal. One of those three things happened. after the other two did not, I can't look at this as a successful season, although some might. Joe, what do you like, what do you think about what he had to say, and what do you think about the series he just had? I love the fact that he took the accountability and put it on himself. You know, that's what the great ones do, bro.

They don't deflect, they don't blame. They point right at themselves. Man, I got to be better. I should have been better. And the fact that he had high standards. I mean, listen, he back-to-back MVP, just coming off winning a title, yeah, it's a failure, bro.

Because to him, because to Shea, he felt like they were the best team. He felt like they really had a chance to do something special, and that was to win back-to-back championships, but they came up short, give San Antonio credit. But, no, he did not have a great series. He did not.

I thought San Antonio took the challenge to try and slow him down and hold him below his average, which they did. Give San Antonio credit, they did a great job. But I understand what Shay's coming from. No, this wasn't up to his standards, bro. And the accountability that he put on himself, I respect it so much, which is why I'm a huge fan of him, Mom.

Because when you look at it, Joe, you say, well, Shannon, he only scored five points, but look at the percentage that it took him just to get to that. Right. Yeah. Think about it. Let that sink in for just a second. he shot 55%

and a lot of his shot are the shots that he was making in this series. Well, you see him making tough 18, 19, 20 footers. He was getting to the, if you think about it in that, but hold on, wait a minute. You mean to tell me this man shot

14% less for what he normally shoots from the floor, 10% less. And he had five points fewer, I can see possibly why they struggle. Because even if Chet played his back, as he did.

I just bring shit just for this and I'm gonna... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If Shea plays like he plays in the regular season, Joe, I'm still not sure they don't win this series. Hold on, hold on,

but you got to look at San Antonio. They ain't got no shabby guards out there. Meaning when I say shabby, I'm talking about from Fox to Castle to Cancell to Champany to those dudes. It's no weak link defensively. They all can score

and they all sit in their chair and play defense. Give them credit. on what they done the shade, how they bottled him up, how they made everything tough, how they made this catching stuff, how they made all his shots tough.

He had to take and make tough shots, bro. And then you got this alien behind him. If I do get by you, hell, I can't even really look at the goal. You know what I mean? I got to become a passer. So I think I'm giving a lot of credit to the Spurs, though. I'm giving a lot of credit to the Spurs because they are

an elite defensive team, and they showed it throughout this series. But what about MVP's? If MVP only succeed against marginal or average players, why are they MVP? Considering, think about it, how few times they've been back-to-back MVPs. Even more times they've been back-to-back MVP with back-to-back titles. That's what makes them so great. That's why you get a Jordan.

That's why you get a LeBron. That's why it ain't that many. You get a Magic Johnson. Think about how many guys have won. regular season MVP back to back and finals MVP back to back. There's a reason. There's a reason.

That's not just an arbitrary thing. Yeah. You think about it. LeBron was the last to do it. Then you go Jordan. And I think Magic did it in 87 and 88. If I'm not mistaken, don't quote me, but I think Magic won 87, 88.

Because he won his third MVP, if I'm not mistaken, in 90. So when you look at it, no. George snuck one in there. So Magic might have didn't win back to back. He might have not won back-to-back regular season of MVP's and finals MVP. I know LeBron did in 12 and 13, and I know George did. So we got, okay, yes, I want to give San Antonio

deserve a boatload of credit. But the reason why an MVP is that a lot of times, more times than not, Joe, he's able to arise above that. That's how he gets to do more. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Joe. Go ahead, finish up.

Go ahead, finish up. I think with Shea, when you look at him, though, he's not a real big physical opposing guy. I think his talent is really from sure will and hard work, meaning, you know, yes, he takes and make tough shots. But, man, they, OKC ran up into a team, bro, who was just prepared. And it's different in the postseason when I can prepare and study. Yeah, and I can prepare and study your movements. I know your, you know, your personnel super well. I understand patterns and how you move and what you do when you come off the pick and roll.

What your size up is like in isolation? What you're trying to get to? Bro, they studied this man. They studied this man and went out of perfected the game playing against OKC. Like, damn, we know shade ahead of the snake, man. if we could just slow him down a little bit. I ain't saying stop him, you know, just slow him down a little bit to where, you know,

we're able to be effective on him, and I thought they'd done a hell of a job. Ocho? You say you shot 55% during the regular season, huh? You think about the difference. Game to game, week to week, city to city, you're always playing somebody different. At a certain level of comfort

is you're able to study for a game or a team or a player for that Pacific week. Now we're talking about a seven-game series. I think that that would be the difference. I would think in understanding on why he didn't shoot as well as he did during the regular season as opposed to the playoffs. Now on top of that, he's playing against some of the best defenders in the game. Yeah. Collectively as a team, not just one individual, not just two individuals.

you got three of them that he has to deal with, you know, on both ends of the court, offensively and defensively. So I think I kind of agree with Joe in a little bit, and I understand what you're saying as well, is there are not very many back-to-backities because regardless of the circumstance, regardless of the scenario, they always rise to the occasion. But in this instance, in this series, he just wasn't able to on how great those three players were. alongside having goddamn whimby as well. I just think sometimes when we like players,

we give them the benefit of the doubt because of said. Now, Kobe scores 5% less. I mean score 5 point less, shoots 14% less, 10% less. Are we still saying, oh, Detroit's a great team? Or are we going to criticize Kobe? because that's what happened. We're going to criticize it.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, and listen, if you can't, if OKC, if Shea doesn't have a consistent number two in this postseason fellas, he has to, you know, hope that guys come along for the ride.

He don't know who's going to explode from game to game. He just has to be consistent. I think that was the toughest part for him because it's like, damn, I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to, take a lot of these tough shots, but I got to hope that somebody comes along with this ride,

somebody catches hot, because we need a number two or even third guy to step up and help out with scoring for the productivity of the offensive side of the ball. And I just thought it was a lot of inconsistency in that aspect. So therefore, if I only know I really got to worry about Shay, Uncle Ojo, and the rest of these guys, I'm going to live with some of those results. You know what I mean? And I just thought that's what OKC. kind of, you know, ran into against the Spurs team.

If you look at him, and I don't think he was very pleased with the way he played last year in the finals, he mentioned that. He mentioned that he did not play up to his regular season. The way he played in the regular season. In the regular season last year, he averaged 32.7. So he was down two points in the finals versus the regular season. He was down eight percentage points from the field goal percentage. He was down what did he shoot from the three?

I think he shot like 36, 37% from the 3. So he was down 13% from that. So are we going to see, we overlook some of, see, what we do is that we overlook those numbers that was substantially down because they won. Now we critique them a little more harshly. We're like, well, damn, when you really think about it, damn, okay.

Look, I don't, I think in the regular season, I mean, I don't really look at, as a three-point shooter, Joe, do you? I mean, I don't. I think his average is high. It's like in the mid to the high 30s because he's not a volume three-point shooter, say like a Steph Curry or some of these other guys.

Right, right. He makes, I mean, he go three or seven, you know, three or eight. That's going to keep you at a nice percentage. But, you know what I'm saying? And sometimes he might go, he might go two for five. But he's not a volume guy. He's not looking to get up eight to 10 to 12 threes a game. He's not like the Celtics guys or the cavaliers,

some of these guys like that. Look, he's a phenomenal player. And I think the thing is, Joe, what happens is that when you critique a player's performance, people automatically assume you're trying to diminish what he's already done. No, he's a two-time finals MVP, I mean, two-time regular season MVP. He's done that. He's a final MVP. He's done that.

He's a four-time first-team all-NBA selection. He's done that. But I think in order for us to do our job nightcap collectively, we have to look like with Joe, when you look at it, man, 26 points. And just think if he didn't shoot that 52, 53% yesterday, Joe, he was going to be under 40, which is crazy. You're right. He's a rhythm guy more so midi.

And once he get his mid-range going and get his, you know, driving to the basket going, the lane starts to open up and guys start to sag off. Then that's when he'll side step. You shoot three step back. He's not, his first couple shots ain't going to be no three.

No, he's not looking to get the three going. He probably ain't going to shot. I don't know if I've seen him, Joe, and I've watched him probably about five to eight times in the regular season, and I watched all their playoff game. I don't know if I've seen him open up with a three. No.

They ain't what he do. He's trying to apply pressure early. Yes. You know what I mean? He's trying to get in the paint. It's almost like a big guy. He won his first shot or first touch kind of close by the basket as he can get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Then we open that up. We open that up. And then look, they start sagging off when they least expect it. I sidestep him, you know, and get one off. But for the most part, now, he's going to make you play him honest. He's going to make you back up first. And I love the part, Ocho, just what I love is that the game plan they had yesterday and Shay got it going in that second and third quarter.

And it said, hey, if he can take and make enough of those, we just throw our hands up and say, we get everything we possibly. We live with that. I don't believe with the amount of pressure that we're plying on him on both ends of the court, because we're going to make his ass guard too. We got to guard his ass guard too.

Y'all go at it. Whoever has the ball do not be afraid to go at Shay. Absolutely. And so now you saw him late in the ball. you saw that chest going up and down. You saw those hands on those shorts. And now he realized it. So what do you do?

He started pump faking, trying to get guys to jump, lead their feet. Now he leaves into him to go to the free throw line. The red thing. He got him a couple of times. And I, you know, I tweeted, hey, he getting tired. So he's going to pump faking. He ain't going to his natural shot where he dive and just go straight up with it. That ain't what he was doing.

He would dive and then pump because he felt those. starting to get a little weary. They did a great job of hounding him. And if you make four, if you get the 45, making tough 18 to 20 footers, Joe, ain't nothing I can do. Ain't nothing I can do.

Hey, bro, look at it. Did you see the shots that man was making? It's like if I, if I blessed the quarterback, Ocho, and I hit him and I hit him and I hit it. And he completes those passes. They say, guys, we sacked him seven times.

You just got to live. Yeah. It's kind of like when Joe, Joe Burrow had that magical run through the playoffs. The Tennessee Titans sacked him nine times. But when he needed to put a drive together to get them in field goal range, he made

every throw. He looked down to the bow and the gun and then when they hit him under his chin, they hit him in his chest, he stood there. I ain't nothing I can do, guys. Kansas City sacked him. The ramps, even though he lost, look at the pressure that they applied. Sometimes you just got to say, you know what?

I did all I could do. I ain't got nothing. I got nothing. Hey, I fired all my bullets. Hell, I threw the gun, and I just took off running. That's all I had left. Hey, analytics. Analytics say that those 18, 19-foot jump shots, those are the worst shots in basketball.

That's analytically. That's why they either want a three-part. Or a day-up or don't-a- damn lay-up. You know what I mean? And I think, Uncle, speaking of Shay, yeah, I thought he got tired, but he also was shoot such a great percentage that he made them jump.

You know what I mean? Like he was making shots last night because he's like, damn, we got to get up on him. So that's why those pump fakes started coming to play and they started to work. Yeah. I thought, I thought Shay done what he could, bro. But does he deserve the criticism?

Yeah, because the standards are high for him. You know, when you're an MVP, two-time MVP, one-time champion, and you're a back-to-back MVP? Yeah, man. The standard's going to be high. And you think about it too, Uncle Joe, you think about the accolades and the resume and what he's done so far earlier on his career.

And we hold them to a certain standard based on what we've seen, based on what he's already done. Well, hell, based on when you hear him talk, how many times do you hear a player take, take accountability? Accountability and hold themselves to that exact same standard. And he made no excuses. Yeah.

No excuses. And this goes back to when, I forget, got what game it was. They asked him, what can Shet do more of? You remember they asked him that question? Yeah. Yeah. And he didn't really have answer. Yeah. And I

think having someone else, with Jay Will, being out, having Shet come along and being able to take some of that pressure off of him, I think this series would have been, they might not have won, but it would have been a lot different if Shed has showed up a little bit more.

Yeah. They got some decisions, Joe. You know, Case and Wallace is doing extension. Yeah. We had a conversation earlier. And Joe, you looked at me like I had four heads and 17 eyes. I said, Joe, what do you think about if they were to move? If they were to move on from Jay Do. You're like, oh, come on now.

How do you? Are you willing to let Case and Wallace walk? You can't sign, but one of your, you got three first round picks. You can only sign one. You about, you're a small market. team. And I understand, Ocho say, well, you win and you keep, but you know them billionaire, they don't like to show out no

$200 million, no $300 million, Joe. Yeah, I already know it. Especially if you were a Joe, how do BN's feel if you already won one? You already won a championship. I'll tell you how they feel. How do the how they feel at that team? The Celtics felt so good about them winning a championship, he

sold the damn team. That's how great he felt about it. He said, let me go ahead get up. Let me go ahead and get back. Ocho, you say when you go to the table, you win a little bit. You'll take your money. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So you bought this.

Hey, hey. We just won the championship. I can keep trying to run it back and win more and spend two, three hundred million dollars. Or I could just go ahead and take my six and a half billion when I only pay three, four hundred, five hundred, six hundred million. Now, I'm good. I'll let y'all figure that out. Yeah, he got it. Yeah, he got out while it was hot, Joe.

Hey, so that's the thing. That's the fine line that you got to walk because, okay, Joe, I'm winning a championship. But damn, I keep standing that damn secretary apron. Man, that thing tearing my ass up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, you got to figure out, I think for OKC, because you got to have scoring, bro, in that starting lineup. As much as I love Lou Dort, and how hard he plays,

it's going to be hard, bro, when you don't have people who can relieve pressure off shape and you putting so much on his shoulders for him to carry. And you ain't got but two offensive threats and your starting lineup. That's hard because the West is so tough, the game, the NBA game has changed so much that hell if you can't score the ball,

if you can't shoot the ball, it's hard to play your ass. It is. It is. It's hard to play. Yes. because so they got go ahead Joe go ahead for the

they got to figure that part out because it was so glaring in this in this series and obviously we're giving San Antonio you know all the deserving respect love respect but but man when you when you ain't got but two guys and your star line up who can score the ball

fellas hey man you got to re-evaluate some thing because guess what San Antonio going to be here for another 10, 15 years. Guys, y'all need to refresh or restart your browser because everything is good to go on our end. Joe and I and Ocho and I, we can communicate.

So I think it's guys on your end. I don't think it's on our end. And the thing Joe is getting now that it's getting harder and harder, even if you're defensive liability, it's getting harder and harder for you to play unless you so extraordinary offensively.

The thing that made that made this the series is that everybody really could defend. Yeah. That was the thing. So just imagine if you couldn't defend, I don't know how you play in the series.

Because everybody, for the most part, especially from the guards, could take you off the bounds. Every guard from OKC could take you off the bounce. Every guard from San Antonio could take you off the bounce. Yes. If you couldn't defend, I can't play you.

It's really that simple. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, fellas, we're looking at the two of the best defensive teams in the NBA this year. Yeah. Stan in San Antonio, OKC. So it didn't surprise me defensively how gritty both of these teams were, how disciplined they were on defense.

It was the offensive end that we didn't really know who was like, even for San Antonio, although Castle was great, Harper was great, you know, Fox was a little inconsistent. in their time. Champini made shots, a couple games. Vaseel made shots, didn't make shots. But the biggest difference for San Antonio, bro, they got so many guys who can score the basketball.

So, okay, it's cool if two, three-hour guys ain't making shots. Well, hell, we got one who can put up 43 and 24 points. You know, you catch another 25, 30 from Castle or Harper. It's just it's so much. And they're so young.

such a hell of a series, bro. The Thunder really, really. Because they got so many assets, Uncle Ocho, the Thunder, that they got a great problem that they ran into. Yeah, they got a great problem, bro. I still believe they should have started Case and Wallace instead of Dort.

They've got to get more. Joe, they play a five or more offensively, though. They started Case and Wallace. They, Dort, I can't start Dort. I might have to, I might have to go. I got to get, I got to get more production, Joe. I got to. Yeah, I got to.

Think about what they're going with. They had all five of their guys in double figures. And they cook it from the jump. And so if he's not really neutralizing anybody and he's not giving me anything offensively, Joe, how do I give him those kind of minutes? Yeah, he's a liability. You know, and that's, that's damn,

they're almost not fair to door too, huh? What you mean? Because he's never been to offensive weapon. You know, he's always a liability on offense. He's there because of Woody's able to do defensively. Now, that comes on the on the other players who's on a Mac contract. Him not showing up. Now, because he's not showing up, now we talk about Dort being a liability offensively.

When that's something he's never been. I think it's a series thing, Ocho. When you look at, okay, how does that? match up. Okay, I got to look. Okay. I'm hoping, I'm hoping that Chad's going to give us what he gave us in the regular season. I can hope that. Hartinstein is going to be

Hartinstein. We don't run place for Hartinstein. We'll lobby it. We'll dish it down to him. He'll hustle guy going to get some extra points. He's going to put the ball, he'll give us some second chance possessions, and he'll give us, you know, he'll get a rebound and dunk it back. But I don't really have to run a set for him. It's the same thing for D'Rey. I don't

really run sets for Dort. But when I got those guys, when I I got Champany and I got Bacill and I got Fox and I got Harper and I got Kelton Johnson and I got Carter Bryant. They got six guys that can take you off the bounce. All six of those guys can defend. Now, all of them can't defend at the same level, but they can defend. The problem is that Dorr, the disparity with the scoring is such a drop off.

Yeah, it is. That is like you get three points. get four points. Joe, the other night, we had a bat when he scored less than five points. He had five points in the second quarter and he scored another one. Hey, I think, hey, listen, I think

with Lou Dork, if y'all remember, y'all know game one, he started off on Wimby, and Wimby got off to that great start on him. Yes. And he ended up having that 41 and 20. Ever since then, he didn't, I mean, he guarded him at times, but it wasn't his main assignment. We started to see Hardenstein guard.

him and be ultra-physical. That's what they should have started. I don't know. Joe, come on now. You got to see, I don't know how tall. Let's just say he's six-four. Joe, really? You're going to start a guy that's six-foot-four

on a guy that got a whole-foot advantage and a damn, and a probably a 10-inch from span to span advantage on that. So what is he going to do? Be physical. Be physical. Be physical with him. Push him around and wear him down.

Hell, that's what I think. OK, C, we're thinking at first. but then it was such a disparity when he started on the low block yeah they were just throwing it up he was just catching and dunking over you know what I mean? And the ball come off on the rebound

what was he doing? Just right on the top of the rebound give me that right there so look I love I love what She had to say he put their on this on himself

just like he did last year he won last year he said but I don't think I played my best basketball my job is to go back to the drawing board and see where I can be better in which I will. He followed it up with another MVP season. He didn't complete the mission, which was get back. Because now you start getting to that elite, elite company. When you start talking back-to-back regular season MVP,

back-to-back finals MVP's, there ain't been a whole lot of them. There have not been a whole lot of them. no. They've been back-to-back regular season MVP's, but to run that gauntly joke and to run that thing back, got to be special. You know it's funny,

and the fact that it's almost unfair to him how well he's played, Uncle Joe. Yeah. Because now we hold him to a certain standard based on what he's done in the past. We're expecting to look like you've done in the past. So when you don't, as he look at this series, shooting a lower percentage,

55 in the regular season, and then what was he, what was he this, uh, this series? 41%? You know, for shit, hell, some players in the NBA shooting 41%, I mean, hey, that'd be good. That'd be great. But the standard that he said is so high, well, we're being critical of him because he's not getting him. That's what, that's what happened.

And then obviously, yeah, compare him to his great self. Yeah. He did that. He could have been, he could have been marginal. It average 19 to 20, Joe. And guess what? We wouldn't even bad a night. Right.

But he went to the gym. He got better because he felt that, you know what? Yes, I'm in the NBA and I'm playing and I'm starting. But I think I can get to another level. Let me see. And ta-da. So now that is the level that he'll be held to. Even as he starts to get older, the level he'll be held to,

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