Club Shay Shay - Best of NBA News Part 2: AJ Dybantsa DRAFTED No. 1 overall to Wizards + Every NBA No. 1 OVERALL pick RANKED since 2000 + Wemby's height a DISADVANTAGE?

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe "King Iso" react to one AJ Dybantsa cementing his legacy going number one overall in the 2026 NBA Draft to the Washington Wizards and more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Every NBA No. 1 overall pick since 2000 ranked9:24 - Jimmy Haslem was driving force behind Giannis trade?18:39 - AJ Dybantsa goes No. 1 to Wizards in 2026 NBA Draft42:47 - Draymond Green says Wemby's height is a disservice (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's that time to put on your jersey and wave your flag, whoever you root for. Why do I watch the World Cup? That's like asking me, why do I breed? And it's beautiful. The guys are young and cute and fit. It's not just a game. It's your culture. I like watching it with my dad.

It's a connecting force. From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernanda Chavari, and this is American Football, a show about soccer culture in the U.S. and its underdog roots. Listen to American Football on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joy is essential and it's also elusive. But now, there's a new and exciting way

to start your journey toward a more joyful existence. Joy 101. It's a new podcast hosted by me, How to Coppe. If you're craving inspiration to maximize your joy, tune into these candid, uplifting, and moving on-air chats. Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search Joy 101 and listen now. Joy 101 with Hoda Kotfi is presented by CVS. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is, getting a racist statue removed.

And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit season two is about both of those things. As I was watching these statues come down, I was thinking about what it meant that I grew up in a majority black city in which there were more homages to enslavers than there were to enslave people. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. From daily news to dating fails, conspiracy theories to cooking with celebrities who can't actually cook, Amazon Music's got the most ad-free top podcasts ready to entertain, included with Prime.

This is Michael Rappaport, and my podcast, the I Am Rapaport's Stereo podcast is unlike anyone you've ever heard. If you're looking for strong opinions about sports, entertainment, politics, pop culture, and whatever else catches my attention, then subscribe now. This kid Jafar Jackson should absolutely

positively get nominated for his portrayal as Michael Jackson. Listen to I Am Rap Report on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Joe, let me know what you think. Bleacher Report. Ranked

Every number one pick since 2000. The top 10 are LeBron James at 1, Wimby at 2, AD at 3, Dwight Howard at 4, Kyrie at 5, Kat at 6, Ant Man at 7, Yao Ming at 8, Blake Griffin at 9, Cade Cunningham at 10.

And then you go, Derek Rose, Zion Williamson, John Wall, Cooper Flagg, Paulo Ben Carrow, Ben Simmons, DeAndre Aiton, Kenya Martin, Andrew Bogot, Andrew Wiggins. Oh, damn, they kept going. Greg Oden, Andre Barniani, Markell Foltz, Zacharii, Rishar,

yeah, Kwame Brown, and Anthony Bennett. Man, ain't no way in hell. I'm putting DeAndre Aitin in front of Kenya Martin. No way in hell. What did they got Kenyon at? They got Kenyon at 18. They got DeAndre Aten and 17. Come on, Nigel.

Come on, Joe. They're doing too much, Joe. Hey, listen, listen. And Kee, everybody knows, man, Ken was a dog boy in college. He probably was one of the only guys who really, at that time, he probably hadn't been a four-year guy. He's the last guy to be of senior and come out. And come out and go number one.

And go number one overall. Yeah, that's rare, bro. That don't happen. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, this list can fluctuate, you know. Some can stay, but it can fluctuate a little bit. I don't know how, but I probably moved Derek Rose up on the list a little bit,

considering the fact that he from Chicago, they drafted him number one, he wore number one, he was the youngest MVP. I like Deiard Rose would probably move up a little bit on that list. I mean, Paolo Bancaro,

I mean, he was an all-star, and y'all got Cuban flag in front of him? Yeah. Hey, hey. Give a take. I mean, they got a lot of,

look, LeBron was rookie of the year, uh, uh, uh, uh, year of the year. It don't get much better.

Harry, Cat, I think, Ant Man. You know it don't get no better than LeBron. It's because Cleveland had the number one pick. I mean, and then for him to turn out to be what he is today, like, you ain't never going to be, he always going to be number one. Yeah, he is. Yeah, it's crazy. Because even though the expectations you had for him.

Yeah. He exceeded those. Hello. He did, bro. that sink in for just a second. Whatever expectation you had, y'all think he's going to be great. Did you anticipate the most points ever?

Yeah, no. No. Did you anticipate most points, top five and assists, most career playoff games, most career playoff points, second most playoff career triple dog. Everything, I mean,

finals MVP with three different teams, lead three different teams to the NBA finals. So whatever you had for him, he exceeded it. So I agree with you. I mean, if you have it all time, he's going to be,

he might be, if you write all the number one overall draft picks, you throw magic in there, you throw Kareem in there, LeBron, still going to probably be number one. Hello. I'm with you.

I'm with you when you're right now. Because I think those, those would be the only, that would be the only two that's the team being in the conversation. We're not even putting nobody else in the conversation. Right. No,

we're down, we're not putting Kent Benson and, We're not putting Joe Barry Carroll and we're not putting there. A lot of guys, I'm not going to name it. Look, congratulations. Being number one overall draft pick is a huge, huge accomplishment.

Man. Everybody, the mere fact that you're on this list, you think about it. All the players that's been, number one, there's only one of those per year for 80 years. Mm-hmm. I bet, hey, I bet it comes with a lot of weight and pressure, too, boy. Yeah, for sure.

Because I think if you're the number one pick, boy, the bull's out on your back so big. You're supposed to be friends. child altering. You're supposed to be a hydrogen bomb. Yeah. That's what you're supposed to be. Yeah. And when guys play against you, you're going to always get their best game. Absolutely. I'm talking about you.

I can make a name. I can make a name for myself off of you. There you go. Just take one game. That's it. Go ahead, don't you? What's up? I'm going to say, but you think the bonds are ready for all that, Joe? Yeah, he's ready for all, Joe. Hey, Joe, the same college. Now the same BYU. We talk about we plan to get grown men. They got families to feed now. Yeah, but these kids built a little different.

Okay, Ocho, you know, they, I think they prepared for the moment. You know, they love the bright lights, the big stage. You know, he already has a nice NBA body at 6'9. He got the total package, bro. I'm telling you, he's going to be nice. I just, I hope what I envision is that Trey and A.D. guide him along the way, help him be a great player. You know what I mean?

Because it's different sometimes. Uncle Ocho, when you got guys like Trey, you know, he just got his money, congrats. But, you know, he's trying to prove that he is worth $212 million. Sometimes, you know, you can kind of lose sight of what you really just need to bring. You know what I mean? Same thing with AD. He's trying to get a new contract. So, you know, and adding AJ DeBonson in the middle of that, I just think it's a perfect piece, you know,

if those guys do it the right way. And I'm going to be watching the Wizards this year, man. that boy can go, man. I thought, hold on. What pick were the Lakers? Okay, the Lakers took Cameron Carr. What pick was that, Ash?

The 24th pick. Okay, Cameron Car, okay. My bad. My bad. I apologize, chat. I don't know why I say, Sergio Delaria. The Lakers take Cameron Carr

with a 24th pick. So did they Did they move back in the draft? Or they were always 24, 24th. They were 25. Okay, so, oh, okay, okay, okay. Okay. So that's why, okay, okay.

I apologize, chat. Yeah. I don't think, I think, hey, look, though. Yeah, I think, hey, look, some of these guys who went late in this first round, man, you go on, you go on the great opportunities and show up and show out, okay, Ojo. Yeah.

You know. Where you went on? Hey, man, listen, you get to win early, your career, you get to play on great teams and then if you have the potential to be who they think you can be, hey man, I've seen some guys, you know, going them

late first rounds and be Hall of Famers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, Tarz Reed. I like him going to San Antonio. For the simple fact, oh, Joe, Joe, he can't be worse than Cornette. They got a 16th center. Hey, come on, huh? Hey, don't do him like that.

man cornet was terrible. I think they used to have a coronet paper towel. Chad, didn't they used to have a cornet paper towel? Oh, man, come on. With a, who's that? She was a comedian. She was a singer that used to advertise for cordonet paper towers. Who was that, Chad?

I know y'all know. And look and see if they didn't have a corinette paper towel. I'm almost certainly did. Yeah, this was a nice draft, man. I got to come out to check these boys out in Vegas, man. Yeah. Yeah.

I know. I know. Who's the lady did the commercial? She had black hair. I can't think of that lady's name. I was a kid

when that was out. I don't know. Rosemary Clutie. That's who it was. See, that would pull your tie. See what I'm saying, Joe? Hey. I know. Hey, I'm Rosemary.

Oh, Rosemary. Yeah. I do. I say, there's a paper towel I call, uh, uh, Rosemary Clooney. Yep. But this list, like I said,

I am not putting DeAndre Oden over Kenyon Martin. And Kenyon Martin came back from micro-factor. Yeah. People don't realize Kenyon Martin used to jump out the gym. A hell of a defensive player. And he wasn't no hell of, I mean, he wasn't no, he was just a grown man. Yeah.

Right. He was a senior. He wasn't a freshman. He wasn't a sophomore. He wasn't a sophomore. He was a senior. He was slight bill. But he was strong.

In the dog mentality. Because you had to be, think about what you were battling back then. You were battling grown men. You got a battle, oh, you got to battle a big, I'm talking about big, big bodies back then. Yeah. Not these stretches, they didn't know, hey, Dirk was really the only stretch back then.

Everybody else, they banged. Yeah. Hey, hey, you had that dog mentality. I'm bored trying to go through you, boy. Yes, sir. Yeah. Sources say bucks owner Jimmy Haslam. Lord.

Was the driving force and taking a heat deal for Yonis over Boston's offer? Haslam did not want to risk Jalen Brown warning out of Milwaukee in a year after dealing with Janice and Miles Gair trade demand. Haslam? Damn, Haslam? I forgot he had bought the majority share of the buck. He didn't trade a two. Oh, anyway, let me finish this right here. Haslam wanted certainty.

And Miami deal provided more than that with the total. assets and return to Milwaukee. I get it. Yeah. The last thing I want to do is trade a guy. I'm trading a guy for a guy that's going to walk the same thing in a year. Yep. What's to say?

What's to say Jaylen Browder's not going to want to trade? Right. Now what do I do? These other guys come in and take a Tyler Hero. But I said, get out my office. Yeah. He's coming to tell me he wanted to trade care. What?

Blue, do slam. Hey. And they know Jaylon Brown going to request probably another max contract. Yes. You know, and they know, hell, if we can't get him to agree to a deal on this trade, then when we get him, yeah, in a year, he's going to be raising hell. We already know that. You know what you?

Yeah, you're right. We're ready to deal with Tyler Hero, get Kellel Lowe over here. Some guys who are going to play hard, Tyler Hero from Milwaukee. Hell, so he's coming home. Yeah. Yeah, he grew up, what, 35, what, 35 miles, 30 miles, 40 miles from that? Yeah, yeah. But he brought, look, home is a great place to visit.

I ain't really tried to live there, Joe. You mean to tell me you think I want to leave South Beach in Miami? That weapon for Milwaukee? Hey. I don't know, man, you know, when it's a place, when you're from a place, it kind of hit a little different. You know what I mean? Like, he'd have been in South Beach. He'll be like that.

Hey, look, hold on. He didn't be in South Beach for so long, Ocho, that it may not be that exciting to him no more. He can still keep his place down there, Okay, Ocho. It's still exciting. Yeah, I'll come back in our season. I was on TikTok today.

It's still looking exciting to me. I don't know what it looked like from what your TikTok said. Well, my TikTok looked like South Beach, Kiki, pop it. Hey, hey, you know how to work TikTok? I don't know how to work on TikTok, Coach. I just made it up. I don't even know how to get on TikTok. Okay.

Man, if I get on TikTok, I can only get on TikTok when I'm around Jordan. If Jordan ain't around, hell, I didn't know I had TikTok. Hey, yeah. So, no, I just made that up, but I'm just saying, you know, hey, Milwaukee, South Beach, Milwaukee, South Beach. Yeah. You're right. Hey, ain't no telling what you might see, boy. Yeah.

Hey, man, listen. Hey, Joe, I don't really go down that way, you know. Obviously, you know, I went to school on the beach for high school. You know, in my younger days, Memorial Day weekend, I used to go out there. But, Joe, I ain't been out there. We're in a long time, boy. Yeah. Yeah.

You ain't been out there, don't you? Hey, I ain't trying to see nothing out there, Ung. Yeah, yeah, you don't. I ain't trying to see nothing. I mean, Cambodia, she was nice to me, so I like Cambodia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to do right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I better do right than do left. You hear me? Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, man, Uncle, I already know you're a fake right, go left and. Yeah, we already know that. Yeah, we already know that. No, you a magician. Whenever did that.

Look it right here. Look right here. Ding, think, think, ding, ding. Right off the screen. I'm right here, I ain't going nowhere. Hey, hey, hey, we all good. Oh, there. We go see what I'm saying?

Joe, what I tell you not to tell him? Hey. Now, you know this man can't hold water. Hey, man. I hear that man. I hit that man talking about Ronaldo today. How I seen Renato cut a rug today. And he went to spill in the bin.

Hey, man, you, you da-da-da-da. I'm like, damn. I said, I told you, Joe. Hey, I just want to make sure we all on the same page, man. Hey, listen. Hey, I ain't going to say nothing. Don't ever plan anything with this man, Chad.

I'm telling you, you don't get busted. I'm going to see y'all, boy. I'm going to see y'all. Oh, Lord. LeBron James returning to Miami cannot be ruled out per Barry Jackson. He could try to lure impending free agent LeBron James

with its full mid-level exception but James return is considered a long shot though nothing can be ruled out Ash how much is the heat mid-level exception what's it by 8 so that's let's see

that's 630,000 per million dollars so all things being equal that's about $5.2 million of the taxes man LeBron might say I'm gonna go ahead and retire I can draw that my little investments.

I can get that. I can get that a month on my investments. You have, hey, hey, hey, you absolutely right. Well, boy, that'll be a hell of a team for him to be on, what? I ain't, I ain't for the same nothing. But I don't know if he would want to go back

and deal with Pat? And open, yeah, I don't know if he want to go back and deal with that. Hey, hey, Brian, I know you're going to see this, boy. Hey, hold on. Look, I think Rich had, I think Rich had some people in tonight's draft

he hit him up. I'm going to try to get him. I'm going to try to get Rich on. Yeah, get him. He said he wanted to come on. Yeah, but, man, hey,

I don't know, but you, y'all do know that's the Eastern Conference. Now, Braun come over there. They can run the East. They can be one of top teams

in the Eastern Conference now. Are we going to, we're going to run it if he don't come. No, y'all ain't running up with your mouth. I told you, we got one more thing up our sleep. Unk, out now let it play out i ain't never steered you wrong joe okay yeah oh the middle level

except at 15 million i might work with that at joe joe i might can work with that 15 a year it's 600 it's 630 thousand every million so so 10 that'll be 600 that'll be 6.3 million with another 5 666 6 6 6 6 5 3 that's about roughly about 10 me out of 10 out of 10 taxes, we look at about 10, 10.2 million. Yeah, we good. We do. 10.2 million. Braun, brawn back to the heat, huh?

It ain't going to lie. Nah, no, Pat, no, no, no, Pat, no, you don't try to pull a rank on me. I'm good. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We're going to let bag on beat back on. No, I ain't letting it. Hey, hey, we let that go in Cleveland now, and you went back to Cleveland won a title. Can you imagine?

But see, but see, that, but see, winning a title in Cleveland, that was what made me to go. Right. But think about this. Man, you put him, Janus, bam, and you sprinkling some cats around them. Hey, hold on.

Don't forget Clay. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. Hey. Hey, I can see that. Joe, what about my cookies? That man threw my cookies the way that my chef made. Hey, we try to win a title, man.

And my ice cream. Hey, we were, we trying to win a tight. My whole cookie. I mean, my chef, those cookies special with me, you know, I bring my own food on the road, Joe, right? I know that. We're trying to get... And what I said...

Excuse me. Excuse me, Chad. When I'm playing cards, you know, hey... Excuse me. I'm sorry. Hey. Bray no cookies. Hey.

That's in the past. We... We get you right. But South Beach can be back on five. Hey. That's in the pad, huh? Yeah, it's in the pain. Stop talking about the whole stuff.

Hold on. Is this the man that just told me last? Oh, oh, Cho. Didn't he tell us the other night? He ain't one of these people to let stuff. go? Yeah. Your girl do something, you know, but no, no, I'm gone.

I'm out. Yeah, yeah, that's him. You told me, Joe. Yeah, it depends on what you do. Yeah. Oh, so the cookie, the cookies is. If I leave, you did something pretty bad. Yeah.

Yeah, but I love. Now, what can you do to get, what can, what can she do to get you back? Apologize. Yeah, so we have a private conversation. You know, you can't pull that meet up by that hoo-hado. You can't apologize for that. How you apologize for that? Hey, that's two different scenarios.

How you apologize for throwing my cookies in the trash? Yeah. Well, cookies and hoo-ha, that's two complete different things. Cookies. What they call, what they call that cookie? What they call the cookie? Do I? Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah, he's talking like, you know. An IR Radio Experience. Weekend gold tickets to Ilson Inc. One, two, three. With Dom Dalla, Chris Lakin, Friends, Moly, Dead Mouse, Above and Beyond, Sub-focus and more with flights from Porter Airlines, three nights at Residence Inn downtown Montreal,

and $1,000 cash. Enter for your chance to win at iHeartRadio.ca. Ilsonique in Montreal, every day you enter is another chance to win. I love the sounds, the buzzing from the stadium, the chanting from the fans, the announcers calling the place soccer, football, at home. Why do I watch the World Cup? that's like asking me, why do I breed?

I inherited that fandom from my mom. I like watching it with my dad. It's a connecting force. From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernanda Chavari, and this is American Football, a show about soccer culture in the U.S. and its underdog roots. We go beyond the game to the people and the stories that make it great. A soccer game is a festival. It's not just a game. It's your culture.

I took an elbow to my head, which cracked my skull. It is an American game. The Brazilians don't like hearing that, though. Are they the only ones that don't like that? Nobody likes that. As we get ready for the Men's World Cup this summer, listen to American Football as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network, available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Hoda Kotby, host of the podcast, Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby. Together, we're going to have meaningful conversations with the world's most fascinating people. Like when actress Olivia Munn shared how she overcame fierce health challenges. I've gone through breast cancer and then helped my mother through breast cancer, and that was more difficult. There's a lot of people who understand postpartner depression. I was not prepared for postpartum anxiety. Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is, getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway.

If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes. In Rebel Spirit, Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people. people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies.

We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit season two on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Michael Rappaport, and my podcast, the I Am Rapaport Stereo Podcasts, is Unle

like anyone you've ever heard. We're a variety show. And if you're looking for strong opinions, funny opinions about sports, entertainment, politics, pop culture, and whatever else catches my attention, then subscribe now. This kid, Jafar Jackson,

is as good as Rami Malik as Freddie Mercury, and it's as good as Timothy Shamaulay as Bob Dylan. And I say that with love and respect for both of those actors. And I don't know how many... Oscar nominations they give out, I don't know if it's five, six for best actor, 150% this kid Jafar Jackson should absolutely positively get nominated for his portrayal as Michael Jackson.

Listen to I Am Rap Report on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I am Rap Report podcast. Later for y'all. Yeah. Hey, Bron, we'll see Braun in a minute, man, die back down in Miami, man. Hey Clay I'll let you boy when you touch down What

The draft board AJ DeBanzah A 6'9 forward out of BYU Number one overall Darren Peterson A 6 foot 5 guard out of Kentucky Kansas Number two

Cameron Boozer The 6 foot 8 Freshman Out of Duke goes number four Number three And Caleb Wilson The Chicago Bulls

Caleb Wilson goes to Chicago Bull, a 6-foot-9 freshman. Also, AJ DeBonser, we watched him play. He's unbelievable handling the ball, something that he spoke about, that he wanted to be the number one overall draft pick. Hey, remember, Cooper Flagg was really supposed to be in this draft, Joe and Ocho. He reclassified.

Yeah, he wouldn't have been the number one pick. I'll tell you that. You don't think so? No. All I'm saying is he reclassified. He was supposed to be in this draft. He reclassified. That's all I'm said.

I don't know what would or wouldn't happen. That's better. long Joe expertise. But when you look at AJ DeBonza, a 6 foot 9 guy, he's going to what seems to be a pretty decent team. He got Trey Young that recently resigned.

We don't know what's going to happen with AD. It's being reported. His agent is looking for a contract extension. He may or may not receive or he may get the extension and then be traded. We don't know.

But let's talk about DeBonza and going to the Washington Wizard, Joe. What do you like about this move? Man, hey, listen, I love this move. I get Ocho. because he's a rookie coming in playing with, you know, two arguably, not arguably, but Hall of Famers and Anthony Davis and Trey Young. Two guys who can make his, who can really bring out his full game.

You know what I mean? It won't be a whole lot of pressure on him to come in and average no 25. You know what I mean? Even though the Wizards haven't been in the postseason the past few years, I'm telling y'all, I think they can make the biggest jump in the Eastern Conference. You keep, if Trey and AD, obviously, if they can stay healthy, I think they got a great chance. They got guys who can score the rock, who can shoot the rock,

who can play make, who can defend. And I just think AJ is a total package, bro. We've been talking about this for a past few months. Now, hell, the past year, everybody knew that man was going to go one. I don't give a damn who had the number one pick. That man was going one. So, great fit. I'm happy for him.

I can't wait to see these young dudes in action. Okay, Ocho. You know, the summer. I'm gonna be down there in Vegas for the Summer League. I got to let your boy know it. I'll be late. Hold on, hold on. You all ain't gonna leave me.

I'm coming too. Hey, don't leave me, but I'm coming. Hey, you're always talking about you gonna do something. You ain't coming because the Summer League gonna be going on. Oh, Joe, why the, uh, Fibor? The World Cup, yeah. The World Cup. Wait, hold on, Joe, win the Summer League.

What's the date? It's always, it starts in July. July, like July 8th, 9th. I'll wait to about like the 20th or something like that. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I'm going to swing through there. Because remember, by the time it gets to July, remember, they ain't going to be that many games, man.

So if anything, you know, I'm going to come out there, cheer with y'all, check out some of the young bucks or see what they could do. Hey, Chad, y'all hear these old two country bombs here, talking about July. What? It's July.

Oh, man, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. I already know, you know, Joe, Joe, I mean, he deep off it. market song.

But you know, y'all know Joe country. I'm talking about like corn calm but an outhouse country. Yeah. I go, that joke? I'm excited. You know, watch the little bit. Look, I tried to catch, obviously,

I tried to catch the BYU games when they're on television. Watching him because, you know, his projections and I was at ESPN when he came on and declared where it was going. I'm like, BYU. Then at Donald him, hey, BYU, you got money to. They got people that got money.

N-I.M. What? He went to a prep school lot there. So it kind of was a natural fit. He's very familiar with that area. Very familiar. And hey, he's like, you know what? They have, I think Danny Aange went the highest.

But Danny Age was also an outstanding baseball player, got drafted if I'm not mistaken, by the Blue Jays. He's like, look, me going to do, me going to North Carolina. What makes me any different than anybody else that's going there and end up going number one overall? Absolutely. He wanted to be you. a lot of times you see guys now want to be unique, Ocho and Joe.

They're like, I want to make my own legacy. Kentucky, Kansas, dude, all these teams. They don't usually, they got legacies. Yeah. BYU ain't really got a whole, they got Danny Aange, they got Jimmer for Dent. They got, who's the other guy from BYU, Danny Age, Jim and for Dent, Sean Bradley, I think. So it ain't a whole lot of, as far as legacy-wise, with that program. He said, I go there, I'm automatically

a rock Mount Rushmore player. You know, and not too many players, especially when you that young, had that kind of confidence. You're right? It doesn't matter where I go to school. The show is going to come to me. Wherever I go, that's what I'm going to put Bustin to see that. Obviously, the bonds are understanding

he's that type of player. We really didn't matter what school I went to. I was coming to see me regardless. Well, listen, listen. I wish you to witness of Battle of State. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, he still would have went number one. He still would have went number one, Joe.

You're absolutely right. Hey, all that cute, all that's cute and fine and dandy. But, but damn it, the bag that BYU was paying, and it wasn't many teams willing to pay that. You know, it's reported he got $7 to $8, $7 to $9 million, you know, just for that one year. Yeah. So, hey, hey, hey, y'all paying for me to come to prep school down here?

I'm in Utah prep. Hold on, hold on. Now y'all going to pay for me to go to BYU. What? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I thought, hey, look, I ain't going to lie. I thought if the jazz was going to try to jump through it.

a few hoops tonight to be able to draft him but hey man if Washington made the right pick okay oh Joe I promise you he liked that bro and guys I think his contract is 69 million for the four years so you know nice little rookie bag yeah yeah night look night little rookie bag nice nice nice and you know you know the story about his father I think his father's from the Congo yeah and because tonight I hell I just obviously I know AJ are initials but I really didn't know his name and he just like he wanted he wanted to commit to introduce his name in honor of his father because he's a junior yeah i thought that i thought that was that was very very special uh to see these young men and and to thank all the family the village that behind them

that help push and guide them in the direction that they are and be able to reach this achievement because this is a i mean these kids are 18 19 20 years of age and they've been dreaming of this moment their entire lives yeah man it's it's right here in front of you and obviously you realize I did not get here by myself. Yeah. This is an opportunity to thank my mom, to thank my sister or my grandma or my mom, excuse me, my father. It's nice, you know what? It's really nice to see some fathers get some

center stage because you know his mom, happy Mother's Day. Happy birthday, mom, happy dinner. And the day, like, oh, what day? You throw us a time, we go on about our business. Yeah, watching the draft. I was obviously watching the World Cup and watching the draft at the same time. There are a lot of two-parent household kids that got drafted this season. You saw that. You saw that old. I like that. A lot of two-parent household, you know, kids getting Yeah, there's no shit. They make a scene like we don't, we ain't never got no two parents

in the house. Right, right. A bunch of two parents. Right. Hey. On another note, too, real quick, real quick, Uncle Joe. Let DeBanzer. As great as he is, as great as he was in college and understanding how good he's going to be probably in Washington, depending on how he fits in. Now, coming out the east, can he really make a difference, you know, in that east and get the, get the, and get the withers to maybe say the play-in, or maybe get them to a seed and having to deal with, obviously, you got the Knicks, you know. You got the heat, you know, who now have Yonnes and probably going to have Clay Tucker.

Wait, can I say that? Am I let? Oh, man, come on, man. Come on. My bad, my bad, my bad. Come on. Listen, Ocho, I understand what you're saying. I think he is a guy.

Look, there's been a handful of rookies who come into the league and right away take their team to the postseason. I think he can be in that group. You know what I mean? I think he got that type of talent. Not only does he have that type of talent, but it's the guys around him. He has proven guys around him. Right.

And I think that's the difference, Joe, and Ocho, is that he's not going to be asked to do what a lot of other rookies have been asked to do. He has all NBA players. He has all-star players already on that roster. We know Trey is a 20-10 guy. We know AD as a 20-and-10 guy can give you three blocks,

can anchor your defense. He just needs to come in and be A.J. DeBonza. We're not asking you to give us 20-10. to 30 a night. We just, hey, give us a solid 16 to 20. Yeah. Efficient. Can you do, can you do that?

If he could do, and also they got SAR, SAR's going to need to step up and be a little bit better because everybody keeps talking about Bronny, brawny, and he's gone under the radar and hadn't been doing a whole lot since he arrived there. He's going to need to be, do a little bit more, Joe, as the second pick in the entire draft. He's going to need to step up now. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

I agree. And I think this year will be that year for Saur, Uncle Ocho. He can kind of play the background now. It's versus, you know, when he first got there, they had him playing lead, lead singer. He wasn't ready for that. You know what I mean? But now he'll have a plet of guys who he can learn from

who he can playoff for that will make his game a lot easier because I think what's underrated about AJ is that not only did he lead the Division 1, NCA, and scoring, but he did it at an efficient rate. Like 52, 53%. And when you got a guy, so he ain't no guy just coming down hosting up shots. Like he has great footwork.

He's not jacking up shot. Yeah, you're right, Joe. He know how to get to his spots. He plays the right way. He's an underrated passer. He can defend with that long, that 6-9 frame, them 7-1 wing span. I just think he's going to fit right in.

And I think the Wizards will make one of the biggest jumps in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, see, they were trying to make Sar, Lee, singer. He need to be on the cymbals for the tambourine. Hey, yeah, hey, no, no, no, no, no, we're not going to let you do the drums. We're not going to let you do the horns. We're not doing anything.

You need to be wearing the back. So if you mess up a key, hey, don't nobody know it. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, but he's got to improve. But I think with those three, they're that big three with Bonza, Tray, and AD. This is contingent on AD being there. We don't know what their game plan is.

But I would like to think they're probably tired of. of having a building that's half empty. Yeah. Man. At least with AD, you probably go to your house. You know, you can win some games and get the fans to come back. Oh, oh. Ocho, them people come to see A.J.

The Bonska, bro. Yeah. Hey, listen, if I'm in D.C., I have season tickets. I'll be trying to get my hand on them tickets, bro. Hey, hey, Joe, you think he polarizing like that to put rust in and stuff like that? Ocho, that boy, nice, man. And his frame, listen, and his frame is so prototypical. for today's game at 6-9 who can do everything.

Shoot the three, get to the midi, dump, get to, get by you. Finish at the rim above the rim. Got nice postwork, great footwork. Like, his feel for the game is unteachable. You know what I mean? Some guys just really have a knack or feel for the game that makes the game and it comes easy to him.

And I think he's one of these guys, bro. I think the game is in great hands with AJ. I think the Wizards, you know, took the right pick. and I'm looking forward to seeing the Wizards play this shit, bro, because you got to understand now, Trey just signed for $212 million. You know what I mean? He didn't got his bag.

Trey, congrats, bro. Trey didn't got his bag. So now he's going to be coming out trying to prove, you know, that he is who he says he is. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm trying to get another one. How, Trey, 27, 28? Hell, I get me another bag.

I'll be 32 and get another bag. Yeah, yeah, hey, hey, hey, you always want to go for a little dessert now. You hear me? for sure. Yeah. Yeah. They still pay it.

Yeah. You know, your rookie contract, that's your appetizer. Then, you know, you get that bag, that's your full-course meal. Now, you go for a little dessert after that. You want to. You know what I mean? Yeah.

That rookie contract, Joe, I'm going to get everything that I really wanted. The nice sports car, the really expensive watch, get mom and dad a house, get me a crib. Okay, that's that. Because once I start getting to that 212,

that 200, that 300, I ain't touching that. Yeah. That money will never be spent. Yeah. I would have gotten every, can think about it, you're making 69 million. Let's just say for the sake of argument, they're going to, I'm going to take, your age is going to get his 3 to 5%. Uncle Sam's going to take 50% of that. So now you at, so that's 30, so basically you at 30 million. Let's just say for the sake of argument we're having the conversation here, 27 million.

Yeah. I think Uncle Sam take his cut. Your agent take his cut. You invest. I got, I'm going to take, you know what, I'm going to take $7 million. Now, maybe you got a shoe deal with the, I don't know who he signed with, is Adidas, Puma, Skechers, and one, Nike, I don't know. But that might be a situation.

You know what? I ain't going to even touch my rookie money. Hello. I'm going to do this shoe contract money. Hello. I'm going to do this card signing money. As I go. As a car deal, I might get mom and dad a car, but I'm going to get this car as I represent

this dealership. I'm going to drive dad on showing. Joe? Yep. You know, there's no car. Yep. That's how I go. But I got to, but I'm going to take, I'm going to make sure mom and dad taking care of. Oh, yeah. I'm going to kick you a little something too. Hey, I think he got two sisters. What y'all want? Now, hey, don't do too flashy. Can't do too flashy.

Get y'all a nice, get y'all a nice, what? What's a nice woman car with your own, Joe? Hey, hey, hey, hold on. The new kids, the new kids and maybe a Mercedes C series. Yeah, the Mercedes hard, bro. I ain't going to lie to you. I like them, I like them Genesis. Y'all see them Genesis, them new Genesis they got? Yeah, but that's for grown folk, though, especially, hey, the Genesis to Dan. Okay, okay. You're right.

Yeah, that's the grown folk. You know. Yeah, I like, but, yeah, you know, hey, make sure they straight. Yeah. And then, hey, shut that thing down. Yeah. And, and never, and do not, I mean, do not lose sight of how you got here, bro. No, do not, listen, do not fall in love with the things that.

you know, that it brings. That it brings, yes. You got to stay in love with the grind, bro. Because a lot of times it'll bring things you don't need. Hello, I was going to do that. That's what it's going to do that for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

It's going to test you. It's going to test your discipline. Oh. Sometime you've got to learn the hard way. Yeah. Give the devil a ride enough. Eventually he'll drive. Hello.

Hello. Come on, man. Eventually he's going to drive. I don't care. I don't care who you are. If you give the devil a ride enough, eventually he will drive. Now, where the hell is my pen and paper?

Yeah. So, AJ, congratulations, bro. Like I said, I saw your father, you and your father when you came into ESPN. Congratulations, an unbelievable story, an unbelievable journey. But the journey now starts. Oh, yeah. He thought the journey, he thought he was on the journey to get here. Now the journey start.

You can't exhale. No. No, sir. No, sir. Now, how do I improve getting here? Now, how do I get better? Yeah. Getting here was the easy part.

It's staying here, what gets hard. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it. Hey, hey, and what I love about it, man, I love how his dad is helping him navigate this whole entire situation. I've seen something to where, you know, they don't have an agent. You know what I mean? They're kind of dealing with it because.

Oh, we already slide it in. Oh, you get 10% more to, you get 10% to 12% more than what the last class got. Okay. Yeah. So why I'm going to get you 4% to do that? Hello. That's what he said. So he said he's here to help his son.

And I think from a child standpoint, bro, that's what you want, man. You want your father to be there to help you navigate through this new situation, this new era that you're entering. And I think it's, I enjoy seeing it. Maybe because when I was a kid, I wish I would have had something like that. You feel me? Yes. You know, so I see how genuine it is.

And, man, he's in great hands. He just got to keep working, bro. You got to be striving and want to be the best. And you can't exhale, although you made it. Like, I'm saying, the hard part now starts because now to stick is just as hard as making it. Yeah. You got that number one pick on your own. Target.

I think you know. You're going to live up to that. You got to and continue to get better year and year out. I mean, I'm excited to see him. I'm excited to see him. Getting married is easy. Staying married is the hard part. A low.

Hey, statistically, for some reason, the numbers keep going up. Getting married, and the number keep going up and getting the boards.

Yeah. I don't understand. I don't care what the numbers say. I'm getting married. We all going to do that, don't you know, but I think the marriage

might look a little different. Right. Because, you know, because I'm a space type of guy. Yes, sir, yes, sir. Take your time. It might be a situation where you and I,

we're in the same house, but we don't sleep in the same bed every night. Right. I don't think nothing wrong with that. Wait a minute, Joe. Wait a minute. Well, my grandfather and- I ain't never see my grandfather and grandmother sleep in the same bed.

Hey, that's back in the day now. It's 20-26. I'm not sure the women today and going to let that fly now. Hold on. Who is that? Is that Shirley Ralph? Her and her husband just moved together. They lived in separate cities for 20-plus years.

Well, you go to-all-h. Hold on. Hey, hey. Hey, Joe. Hey, that work in your household? Listen, listen, Ocho. Abstance makes the heart grow fond. okay?

Wait a minute. That ain't gonna work, Joe. That is not going to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes, you hear what all we're talking about. Sometimes, man, it's better for us to get away from each other a little bit. So when we do come back and we, you know, we're excited again. Yes, all, yes, all.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, you know what? Oh, Joe, see, here the problem is. It's because society is saying, we sleep here. We, hey, we do this and we do that. And everybody gets, you got to do what works best for you. Right, right, right. For you and your situation, it might be best that you go get mad at the courthouse.

Right. But you got to be happy. Everybody talking about this destination wedding. Yeah. Everybody talking about X, Y, and Z. Man, I need to have, she need to have 10 bridesmaid. I need to have six groomsmen. Yeah.

Nah. I need to have my brother, my mom, my sister, my kids standing beside me. I need that she going to have her people standing up four or five people standing up. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Why I'm going to have a whole bunch of people. That's, man, I don't know what they got mad for.

It ain't going to last long. Talking is. at my place. Yeah. I don't spend $100,000. Fair. A homeboy had a wedding. Everybody got crock shoes made, custom tucks.

Yeah. Married last long as to skip in the military. You know, skipping and the military. How long they would marry, uh? Long as a snowballing the microwave. Hey, listen. I like that idea, you know, the whole having space. But you got to have a woman that really understand that because they'll take that the wrong

way, uh, they'll take that the wrong way, uh, they were. But that's the whole point. Before we get back, we understand this, Ocho. Ah, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, she might have her own, she might have her own place, too. Right. Right.

You know, you know, I put a little seed away. Hey, oh, Cho, probably one of them little clingy dudes. He liked to be laid out. He was all up under Cambodia. California. California can't go nowhere. Oh, no, no, no. Excuse me, Uncle Joe.

I'm the complete, I'm the complete opposite. I'm not really clingy, you know. I give you your freedom. I give you your space, you know, to let you do your thing. I'd like to think you'd be able to do, you know, the same for me. I'm outside of that. I just don't think the, as far as going as if we're married and actually having our own spaces in general, I don't know if that will fly because most women today, they want everything that's traditional.

You know, everything that, that the format and the way they say it's supposed to be. Obviously, you're supposed to do what works for you. and ain't too many too far into that now. Hey, hold on, hold on, what they say, conversation rules of nation. Hey, man, you got to break, you got to break it down for, Ocho. You gotta let her know what it is, man.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Hey, Joe, I'm gonna break it down, Joe. Yeah, let her know what's going on. Look, yeah. Hold on, Joe. Hold on, hold on, huh? Now, when you break it down, right, and say, listen, we can be together,

but at times, how do I explain? You know what? At times, you know what? At times, you know what? I want my space. Yeah, yeah. That gets you cussed out. No.

I believe this is what you and I going through, this is going to be a lifetime. Yes. But there are going to be times that I'm going to need two or three days to myself. Ooh. Nothing personal. What does that look like for you?

See, that's the problem. Everybody's been living a life for someone else. See, the thing is, is that people get in a marriage and judge their marriage by somebody else married. Hello. Remember, I've told you, be careful. judging your success with someone else's ruler. Yes, sir.

Your marriage might not look like mine. Mine might not look like his. His might not look like theirs. That's why I'm saying, you know, I laugh and joke. We're like, ooh, ah, but somebody, but look, people swing and people like, hey, I want to see my, I want to see my husband have sex with somebody else. I want to see my wife. That works for them.

That ain't me. I don't know. How in the hell. Hey, hey, he's his own. I'll be able to see Harry the thing. You don't know that. Joe got that hammer. He put that hammer out on.

You got, oh, what a- I don't know. What have I done got myself in? No, sir. Yes. But see, if that works for you and there are people that have situations like that,

you know, you know what? I'm going to put that in the book. I'm going to put that in my book. I got a book coming out, y'all. Uh-oh. I can tell some stories. Write a book? Yeah, I got a book coming out.

I'm going to be in it. Wait to the story that you all see you come out in this book. Hey, okay, okay, okay. Put me in that thing. Hey, I imagine. I imagine. But I think that's the thing,

is that a marriage is different for, there are certain cultures that you do in marriage. Okay, that's for that culture. Right. That works for them. I can't be looking at, man. Man, you know such and such, you know, high school coach,

the rival school, he was telling him one of the, his runners would tell him, they coach, you know, he's a guy, he said his coach letting him drink a beer before he run. He said, but damn hell, son, you want me to buy you a beer?

That worked for him. That ain't been to go over here. Right. What works for your relationship? If going on vacation, if some, you know, hey, we need to go out once a week. Somebody going to be cool with going out once every other week. Somebody going to be cold out going once a month. Somebody going to, hey, we can take a vacation once a year.

Somebody going to say, we need to take a vacation every, every quarter. Yeah. What can you guys agree on? And then make that work for y'all. And don't worry about society. See, society got us all messed up to begin with. Yeah.

That's the problem. Yeah, hey, trying to do everything. An IR Radio Experience. Weekend gold tickets to Ilsoni. One, two, three. In Montreal with Dom Dalla, Chris Lake and Friends, Woolly, Dead Mouse, Above and Beyond, Sub-Focus, and More, with flights from Porter Airlines,

three nights at Residence Inn downtown Montreal and $1,000 cash. Enter for your chance to win at iHeartRadio.ca. Ilsonique in Montreal, every day you enter is another chance to win. I love the sounds, the buzzing from the stadium, the chanting from the fans, the announcers calling the place soccer, football, at home. Why do I watch the World Cup? That's like asking me, why do I breed? I inherited that fandom for my mom.

I like watching it with my dad. It's a connecting force. From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernanda Chavari, and this is American Football, a show about soccer culture in the U.S. and its underdog roots. We go beyond the game to the people and the stories that make it great. A soccer game is a festival. It's not just a game. It's your culture.

I took an elbow to my head, which cracked my... It is an American game. The Brazilians don't like hearing that, though. Are they the only ones that don't like that? Nobody likes that. As we get ready for the Men's World Cup this summer, listen to American Football as part of the My Coutura Podcast Network, available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Hoda Kotby, host of the podcast, Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby. Together, we're going to have meaningful conversations with the world's most fascinating people. Like when actress Olivia Munn shared how she overcame fierce health challenges. I've gone through breast cancer and then helped my mother through breast cancer and that was more difficult. There's a lot of people who understand postpartner depression. I was not prepared for postpartum anxiety. Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is.

getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Ely Boulevard. Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes.

In Rebel Spirit, Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that?

They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Michael Rappaport, and my podcast, the I Am Rapaport's Stereo Podcast is unlike anyone you've ever heard. We're a variety show. And if you're looking for strong opinions, funny opinions about sports, entertainment, politics, pop culture, and whatever else catches my attention, then subscribe now.

This kid, Jafar Jackson, is as good as Rami Malik as Freddie Mercury, and it's as good as Timothy Shamaulay as Bob Dylan. And I say that with love and respect for both of those actors. And I don't know how many Oscar nominations they give out, I don't know if it's five, six, for best. actor, 150% this kid Jafar Jackson should absolutely positively get nominated for his portrayal as Michael Jackson. Listen to I Am Rap Report on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I am Rapaport podcast. Got a book, Joe. Step by step.

Boy, shit, boring as hell. Yeah. So it's going to be interesting to see. and uh... Graymond Green saying 7-5 might actually hurt Victor Wimmy. Let's take a listen to what Dre had to say. A unicorn.

It's a rare rare air that he's in. Not only is it a unicorn, but you also get to a certain height where it becomes a disservice in this league. You know, like, there's nothing he can do about being 7-5, but I'm not sure 7-5 suits you better than being 7-1.

Right, right. Or being 7 feet. With his skill set. With his skill set. Being 75 almost does him a disservice. Like, yeah, you can catch a fit. But with the skill set that everyone loves about this kid, being 75 almost hurts that. Because once you get to this level, you're going to run up against guys who's way stronger that moves as fast or faster.

And they play way lower to the ground. Right. And as you know, low man wins. And so if you're just running up into that, like, 7-5 kind of hurts you. And so I think that's something that he's going to have to adjust to as well that people aren't really account for. I think it hurts him on an offensive being. I think it helps him on the defensive being. Absolutely.

You see how he's blocking those three-point shots when he take one step and he throwing the inch in the stands. Yeah. He's deflecting it. Yeah. I understand what Dray Mons said because he's so, he's so tall, it's easy to root him out. Yep. Yeah. Get up under him.

And that's why you saw sometimes you saw Caruso was guarding him. Yeah. There's no way a six five guard, a six four guard should be able to guard him. But because he's so tall and he can't, Caruso just gets up on him and root him out of his spot. Yeah. That low sense of gravity, bro. He's never going to have advantage when it comes to that. he's always going to have to use his length, his quickness,

versus the cast that's going to be guarding him, Ocho. He's always going to have an advantage. That's the problem because a big man guarding him, he's always going to have advantage because of how he moves at his height and the way his game is. You know, he's not a typical being. He's not a stiff. He's not a guy who can just post up and shoot jump hooks or just shoot middies.

Like, this dude going to block the shot, bring it all way up. up the court, run the plate, you know what, now y'all just get out the way, go in my bag, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing. You know what I mean? And get right to it. We ain't seen that, bro, at 7-5. So I agree. Well, defensively, it helps him.

It's just on the offensive end when he does try to be demonstrative when it comes to posting up and trying to gain that advantage and using his height to his advantage, that's where he's going to have to get stronger. Stronger don't mean, like, the mass he has to get. He has to be that wiry strong, Ocho, you know, the work. You just can't let guys root you out and move you. You know what I mean? I think that's the biggest adjustment that he's going to have to face or deal with

that ultimately is going to take him to that next level to make that leap like Janice made. You know, when Janice first came into the lead, boy, he was skin and bone. I'm talking about, man, it's just night and day to what he ultimately got to. I don't think he's going to be able to put on the match Janice guy. But as far as being effective and using his lift and moving around the court the way he does, he's always going to have an advantage of this. He just has to be more consistent in, you know, his mid-range jump shots, his three-point jump shots,

because you always got to respect him way out there. That's the advantage. So if he catches two feet behind a three, Ocho, and he pump fake you now, because you got to close out tough, now he can get into his bag. I just think, you know. Strengthening up them hips, bro. Everything connected to the hips. Strengthening up them hips to where you can move, move.

Ways down. Huh? Waste down. Yeah, you gotta be. Yeah. When I look at Yon, when I look at, I'm talking about to say Yonnes. When I look at. Whimby.

Damn, what's buddy name? Wimby. Yeah, when I look at Wimby, on obviously, I think for him, I understand what Drayman is saying, I think he has an advantage of obviously being 75. The only problem, the only problem he has is when he in the low block of the post. That's it. That's it. Outside of that, he plays small outside from the three.

When it's time to go into his toolbox, Joe, he played like somebody that's six, five, six, seven. He can put the ball in the flow. He can shake you. He can get by you. The only issue, if you want to add something to his game, is to be able to play with your back to the basket and maybe to go in your bag

and not let people get you off your spot. That's the reason why he don't want to because he knows he's not strong enough. to consistently bang. See, look, if he, like Shaq, Shaq was 7-1, Shaq was 325. So Shaq was,

but Shaq was ultra-altra-quick. For his size, Shaq moved like I got 666-7. But he got 325 pounds. So when Shaq, with Shaq put that shoulder into you or put that hip on you, you're moving. It's a rap.

When he put that shoulder on you, everybody like, well, damn. Yeah. He ain't gained no ground. Who caught a fan on here? Ain't nobody moving. Ain't nobody getting dislodged?

Look how OG dislogged him. Yeah. Remember OG going to the basket? Dislodge him, boom. You think somebody can disloat? You might dunk on a big, but you're not supposed to dislodge him like that. Hey, and I think,

I think Wimby here's all this, too, fellas. I think he's going to come back. You know, I think that in hindsight, the best thing that can happen to win is them losing in his finals, bro. I think that young man going to lock in. Y'all got to remember now, he ain't but 22 years old.

So all that we're talking about, he's going to gain the strength to where he can hold his ground. It may take him, it may take him to the next year or the year after that, but he's going to get better next year and the next year and the next year.

So I think his game will continue to ascend to where he's going to be, obviously, the face of the league. Because he's going to, the numbers that he going to have across the board, bro, it's going to be something that we've never seen before. When it comes to scoring, blocks, rebounds, he's going to be, he probably going to be top five them there in every statistical category. You're right.

And I think the thing is, look, everybody can't be like magic. Come in, off the real, boom, win the championship. A bird, come in. Sometimes you got to grind your way through like Jordan. Yeah. Lose, lose. He's like, man, they beat, man, the bad boy piss is beating the hell out of me. Damn this.

Hey, Tim, let's get in this gym. Yeah, no time off. It builds character, bro. Bro, I'm tired of these hard-ass foul because they're wearing me down. I got to be able to withstand that, still get to my spot, and let this velvet jumper go. Hello. And that's what he did. Hello.

So all that Joe Dumars pulling him down and Lambere and Sal and Rodman beating the hell out of him. James Edward Rick Mahorn. He's like, man, enough of this. Man, yeah. He started to be able to play through that. And now he don't have a weakness. Yeah. You can't beat him up because they felt they could beat him up.

Say we beat him up, hey, he'll shut it down. Now you can't beat him up. Now what you're going to do? Yeah. But you know what? He's still small frame. You know, even if he does get stronger, I think he has to pick and choose when.

when he wants to play that game. Yeah. When he wants to play that game with his back to the basket. When he wants to play that game, down there in the low block. You pick and choose when you want to do that. You don't want to take away from your other strengths and being able to put the ball on the floor, being able to shoot the three or being able to get to your spot and shoot you. Yeah, no, no, I agree with you, Ocho.

And I think that's why I say he has to take what's a weakness of him right now and make it into a strength. And that's just, you know, obviously staying in the weight room, getting stronger, and continue to work on your game. Your game going to evolve once he gets more comfortable and gain more strength. You know, man, you've been in that weight room, bro, it brings a sense of confidence

when you hit their flow, man. I don't know about y'all, but, bro, I used to do a full workout before games, you know, just to go out there and really feel strong, like, hey, man, it way different when you've been in that weight room. And I think, I think this loss hurts Wemby in the finals to where, you know, he really was hurt behind this. So I think he's going to come back a totally different player.

But the problem is with Wemby, he didn't have a signature shot that he could go. to. Yeah. Look at all the grades. They had a signature shot they could go to. Elijah Juan, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kobe, Braun, Elijah Juan, and I don't know if I've mentioned Elijah Juan twice. Everybody had a shot. So he doesn't have that shot. I can put it to my basket. I can put my back to the basket. Give it to me. He didn't feel comfortable with that. He didn't do, Dirk. Yeah. Yeah. All those guys. Now, if you were Shaq, you sell him 1, 325, 340,

where you would just turn around and everybody moving, bang, but that ain't what he is. He's going to have to, he's going to have to build. Brunson. When Brunson need to get a shot, Bronson going to go to that, he's going to do that, put that shoulder into you, and hit you with the step back.

Yeah. Every single time, go back and look at the shots that he hit on Champaign. Go back and look at the shots that he made down in clutch situation. You got to have that in your bag. Oh, yeah. As a post player, okay, on you know, you got to have you at least, at least three moves, go-to move that you know going to work.

And you're right, he don't have that right now. And I think he definitely has to put the work in. At his size, bro, Ocho, I agree with you. He needs to use its matchups for him, who's ever gone. You got a big guy out here who's slow-footed like, Gobert, then take him out here in deep waters and drowning. You know what I mean? Take him out of here in the deep waters and drowning.

him. But when you're playing against the Knicks and they got cat and he guarding you, you got to get you a couple of mood, jump hook. You got me? You know, three nice go-to mood, bro, that you can give him something different every time to keep his ass guessing. And I think once he figures that part out, Hacharo, that's going to take him to another level. Listen, I'm not in the NBA. I'm not Wimby. But understanding the strengths that I have right now, how good I am offensively, how good I am defensively. There are two people that I would want to go see in the offseason. For one, to work on the toolbox.

Two, I'm going to see Kevin Garne. Kevin Garnett. Just for the mentality. Just for that, just to have that dog in me, and I'm going to see Akima Lajuan to add some of the repertoire that he had to his game and see if I can add to that. That footwork, boy.

You got to get that footwork. That's what the dream got, bro. Look, we look at the turnaround shots and all that, but it's his footwork. You know, Wimby learned that. He'd get that footwork down pack, it's a wrap, bro. Well, I don't know if he's going to get that foot back. Because you got to realize a king's grow up playing soccer.

Yeah. So you know he's great with his feet. Yeah, Wimby, what went to him from? Huh? When we grew up playing soccer to wait for him? How are you going to kick the ball with a size 42 shoot? He's playing side. He's playing.

He's playing. He's playing. He's playing by the size 30. He's way. That bad feet that long, Joe. How the hell he going to kick the damn ball? And he ain't, he ain't playing no soccer. If he's playing soccer, he was playing goldie, but.

Yeah. Yeah, he might kick the ball with it's in front of him, but as far as dribbling the ball down the field, hell no. But you look at it, but it wasn't just the turnaround. Dreamer, show you the ball, show you another move, show you another move,

and then up under you. Yeah. Yeah. You were slick with it. You got to have a counter to the counter. There you go. That's it. I'll agree with.

Like you say, look, he's, the thing is, that he's got to work on that now because we said the same thing with the white Howard he only 19 he only 19 he's going to work on it and the white Howard never developed a signature way these two completely different type of animals though huh these two completely type of animals though all I'm saying if the white Howard would have worked on a move Joe because look at the white Dwight had that same little skinny ass frame when he came in yeah he was in the two three years later man the white how would look like a show enough

Oh, yeah. Hey, Dwight was real raw. When he came into the, when he first came into the league, he ain't had no offense a game for real, you know what I mean? He's running dog. Yeah, but he developed, he developed him a nice little jump hook, you know, he'll shoot his turn around sometime and then face up. To where he turned face up and shoot that little jump off the glass,

he developed that. You know what I mean? Wimby is going to, he's going to develop. I'm telling you all, he's going to develop at least two to three go-to-three go-to moves that he used on that block, whether it's the turning phase, whether it's the back down to the jump hook, whether it's fade away,

but you have to be effective and efficient when you shoot these shots, bro, because in the postseason, what we see, hey, man, ain't a whole lot of space out there. You know what I mean? You ain't got a lot of time. Great scores. It don't take all day pound in the rock.

You're going to get two dribbles max, you know, to be able to get your stuff off, and you've got to be able to do it at the efficiency rate. And I think he will learn that. It's that time to put on your jersey and wave your flag, whoever you root for. Why do I watch the Walk Up? That's like asking me, why do I breed?

And it's beautiful. The guys are young and cute and fit. It's not just a game. It's your culture. I like watching it with my dad. It's a connecting force. From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernanda Chavari, and this is American Football,

a show about soccer culture in the U.S. and its underdog roots. Listen to American Football. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joy is essential and it's also elusive, but now there's a new and exciting way to start your journey toward a more joyful existence, Joy 101. It's a new podcast hosted by me, Hoda Kotby. If you're craving inspiration to maximize your joy, tune into these candid, uplifting, and moving on-air chats.

Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search Joy 101. Listen now. Joy 101 with Hoda Kotopje is presented by CVS. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is, getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is, getting a new one put up in its place. I'm Akela Hughes, and Rebel Spirit, season two is about both of those things. As I was watching these statues come down, I was thinking about what it meant that I grew up in a majority black city, in which there were more homages to enslavers than there were to enslave people. Listen to Rebel Spirit season two on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

From daily news to dating fails, conspiracy theories to cooking with celebrities who can't actually cook, Amazon Music's got the most ad-free top podcasts ready to entertain, included with Prime. This is Michael Rappaport, and my podcast, the I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast, is unlike anyone you've ever heard. If you're looking for strong opinions about sports, entertainment, politics, pop culture, and whatever else catches my attention, then subscribe now. This kid Jafar Jackson should absolutely positively get nominated for his portrayal as Michael Jackson. Listen to I Am Rap Report on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.