Club Shay Shay - Best of NBA News Part 2: Brad Stevens REVEALS Jaylen Brown trade decision + Terry Rozier DENIED BAIL + LeBron to Sixers "VERY SERIOUS" + Ben Wallace with some 2016 Cavs SHADE

Episode Date: July 11, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Brad Stevens and Jayson Tatum's thoughts on the Jaylen Brown trade. Plus, Charlotte Hornets intentionally trading off "bad influences," latest on LeBron James free agency and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Ben Wallace criticizes Cavs 2016 reunion15:03 - Hornets getting "rid of bad influences"40:44 - Brad Stevens on decision to trade Jaylen Brown45:00 - Jayson Tatum reflects on Brown's trade52:34 - LeBron to the Sixers a "very serious" option (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm going to start to you first and now I'm going to swing it to you, Ocho. What do you think of Joe? Ben Wallace's old school, bro. But you know, that's a testament to Brun, though. Brun a fun loving dude, man. He enjoyed being around them cats and they enjoy being around him. I just think it's different. Not to say that Piston scene didn't hang out because I'm sure they did, but...

What year was that? 0-4. They won and 0-0, what was that, 0-03 they won? That was old... Yeah. They won in 0-4? They wanted, what, 2001, 2, and then 3, and then, yeah, yeah. Because I think the Pistons won in 4, right?

I think so, 2004. Or the Pistons 1-3. Lakers won in 2002. Yeah, they're probably one in three, 2003. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they ain't. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think.

But you got, but it's different now. Look, the way we think, these guys, first of all, y'all guys old, y'all decrepit, y'all don't need wheelchairs to get around anyway. Ain't nobody pushing nobody. These guys still in their 30s. Brown is the oldest one at 41. most of these guys in their in their mid-30s.

Maybe Rich, I think Richard Jefferson came in the league before. Richard got to be, he had about 46. Yeah, Richard, Richard, because Richard played like two, three years in college. But look, it's a different time now. And I look, and for me, and I think he's saying, look,

we like that, we don't really be traveling like that. That's what I took it. I think that, because when you want, You win a championship, you're just naturally close. It just is. You have a bond. You have something that tied you together that nobody, that's unbreakable.

Hey, but you know what? I think that would be dope, though. That would be dope for them to do that. So I'm looking at that roster from back in them days, right? I think it'd be dope. So I'm thinking of the people that I know. Tayshan Prince, Ben Wallace. Rashid Wallace is fun.

That's my dog. That's my homeboy. Rashid. She had Chauncy Billups. I could see them. Rip Hamilton. I can see them hanging out. I mean, you're going to be on a Harley.

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But Joe, what you're talking about, Joe? I had street bikes when I was playing. You got a hard. Hardly big bike, though. Yeah, I know. I want the big boy with the 30-inch grill. So, I mean, sitting back, legs wide.

Listen to Frankie Beverly and Mays. Hey, Joe, I ain't going over 40, 50 miles an hour. I'm cruising. No, I'm good. Hey, with my cowboy boosts, and a tank top. I want four wheels and a top on it. That's why I don't even get on anymore

no convertible no more. No, I'm good. Hey, we got something for you, you know. We got one for you. Yeah. According to Adam Franklstein, the harness trading lamello ball and mild bridges was getting rid of bad influences.

They cleaned up the locker room. They're getting rid of the bad influences. They're bringing in professionals. Joe? Yeah. Listen, man. Those nice guys, and we see this a lot, a lot. So I don't know.

Look, I don't know nobody. I don't know anyone in Charlotte to confirm or deny this. But, hey, yeah. They traded two, I mean, LaMello Ball with, he's been the best player of the Hornets that ever drafted. He's the best player they ever drafted. They finally got it right. Of all, they had Michael Kidd Chris,

and they had Adam Morrison, and they had all these guys. And the other kid, the Miller kid, he can play. he can play. What does this mean, Joe? You think there's any validity to this? Do you see? Because, you know, I just hate, I just hate when people get traded

and all of a sudden they were bad influences. I never heard this while those two guys were playing. Anything about bad influences in the locker? Well, listen, man. You're talking about cleaning up the culture of your franchise of your team. Normally it starts with the head of the snake, which is lamello.

You know, I don't know what type of leader he is, Uncle Ocho, or how he was leading those young men, but obviously they wanted to go on a different direction. With Miles Bridges, great, great young talent. At the same time, man, when you're trying to be a rapper and play a professional sport, you know, and I understand some cats do do it, but, hey, man, every franchise ain't going for that, bro.

You know, when they want to clean up their locker room, they want to get, hey, man, they got a star at somewhere. obviously if you're asking me, Lamello and Bridges was probably two of your best talents that you had, and you just, at their highest, you know,

value, you just tried to get something for them. I think they, yeah, I think they cleaning up the locker room. They want a different culture around them, bro. Hey,

well, listen, they're going to have a different culture. They clean up the locker room. And, you know, certain, certain,

you're not, you're not going to win with what you got, though. You're not going to win with what you got, you got. Sometimes you got to have some players that's a little rough around the edge, yon. Sometimes you need that on your team. You need a little edge because, you know, high character guys are great guys that are for the locker room or players

that are perfect examples. I mean, that's only going to get you so far, Joe. You still need that, you still need that dog. You still need you some dogs to get you, you know, over the home. Ocho, as good as the Hornets War last year, think about this, man. Hell, they still didn't make the play out. You know, they play in the playing. So, you know. Okay.

Where they're going to be at this year? I think the Hornets feel like they can stay right where they're at here with the team they got versus continuing. Then you have to pay these guys. See, that's the problem. Yeah, Miles Bridge is on an expired contract. He's going to want big money. And then I'm going to have to make a decision on Mello.

Am I going to give Mello $300 million? It's like, no, we're not. So this. All right. And when I said Charlotte, I'm not looking at people drafted the Charlotte. I understand the New Orleans Hornets. I think they became the Charlotte. So for the song.

So Chris, I don't, I don't, I look at Chris Paul. Your Chris Paul is the best player that's been in that organization, be a New Orleans Charlotte. But Charlotte didn't draft him of the players. For me, I know Kimball Walker, you might say Kimba, but I think based on the trajectory of where, was heading, I think Mello was going to be the best player selected.

But we'll never know. We'll never know. It got cut short. They traded him. Kniepple looks really good. Miller looks really good. They feel they got a group of guys. Now,

with Kobe White can score the basketball, more of kind of in line what they want to do, kind of want to build their off. It seems to me they want to build their offense around Brandon Miller and Concanip. Yep.

Exactly. And I don't think they felt they could do that with Mello and Morrow Bridge is on there. Because they're like, you know what? Miles probably going to be trying to play for a contract. And him playing for a contract might not be most conducive for us winning games. You have something because, Chad,

you just can't think as a player. You got to think it's an organization. That's about to invest 100. And it's easy for something. Just pay them. It's easy to pay somebody when it's not your money. Hey, it's easy to pay somebody And Lamello and Miles Bridges are ball stoppers.

You know, they play an isolation. They like to dribble their ball. They like to playmate. Man, hey, I'm telling y'all, man, the way the league going, bro, it's only going to be a handful of guys who really get to kind of mix and do what they want out there. If you can't shoot, if you can't catch and shoot and get to that cup, hey, man, it's a hard place for you.

Because going to these teams now because the NBA is so much younger, Uncle Ocho, it's always going to have a guy already there. You know what I mean? So you're going to fall in line, bro. And to cats who've always been the man all way up until they get professional, it's why they get lost in the South because they don't know how to play no other role if they ain't playing the lead role. You know what I mean?

So cats are going to have to, hey, they're going to have to find a way to adapt, bro, and be effective because that's how you stay. And I think, Joe, it's going to be. be hard to keep two superstars because once that money get to $300 million, I'm not paying two guys on the same team $300 million. And I damn sure ain't been to pay them $400 million because that's where this thing is

headed. Right. That's where it's headed. So it's about to be hard and harder. You might have seen your last three-peat. You might have seen your last repeat because it's going to get hard and harder because guess what? Somebody contract is going to be coming up damn near every year.

Yeah. So. And if your star players, how can I keep it together. Oh, you got to do what, what Brunson did for the Knicks. You got to hope your top guy take a haircut. But, boy, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no. I said a haircut. I said a nice fade. You got me a season. You gave me a good job. You cut all by it, y'all. Because here's the thing, Ocho, you know this in football.

For every time Brady, everybody else took all the money they're supposed to get. Hey, come on now. But listen, you know teams going to be preaching that, though. Okay, Ocho. You know, I mean, hell, if we give you,

if we give you 300 Ms, how are we going to fill out the damn roster? We can't put it out. I'll let you figure that out. I ain't got nothing to do with that. I ain't got to, hey, I'll let you figure that out, Joe, guess what? As a matter of fact, the church.

I get my service, I get my service on my phone. I'll listen to church service on the phone. If you take this, if you take this Lehertyleuk, we can bring you in two valuable pieces that you can use and we can win us a title, you know. Hey, what dollar bill teller? I got a contract between me and you to say, you pay me what you owe me.

I want all that. I just don't see, I just don't see guys doing what Brunson did. I commend him. I'm never going to hold it against him. He's the king of New York. He's forever knighted. He's forever golden in that state,

in that city. But I don't. believe. I don't believe. And I could be wrong. And if I'm wrong, I'm going to be mad if I'm going to be mad. But I don't believe you'll find I don't believe you'll see three other guys do what he did.

Especially not if the team is not constructed in the right way to even have a chance to win a championship. Well, only time I'm going to tell. You think when we're going to take a little haircut for a eagle? Hell no. No. Not the first. You can't do it on the first contract because, but here is the thing

no, Joe. Because when you look at it and people like, look at Tom, look at Tom. Y'all do realize Tom Brady got a contract that's worth more now with Fox than he made in the NFL. Now, how many of these guys, once they leave the game, going to have a job that pays them more that they made in the league and work that? You mean it, boy. Exactly. So he ain't touching. Now, that's just with his Fox money.

He got other things going on. I think he's a part of no bull now. He's a part of, you know, he got supplement companies and he's part of fanatics. He's a part of a lot of things So everybody's not going to be able to make Obviously you got your money You invest in your money You still be able to make money

But Tom Brady ain't He got to touch it He's still going to be able to invest money Tom probably making Off the field Probably 50, 60 million dollars a year They're not very many guys That's going to be

That can leave a sport And make more money Once they leave the sport Than they made when they were in the sport That's the brain You get it. You get it. Think about it.

You get Tony Romo. You get Troy Aitman. You get a Collinsworth. You get a Brady. But everybody ain't getting them jobs like that, guys. Y'all know that. I'm not breaking news to you. And I just don't believe $113 million haircut?

Man, please. And mind you, if you take $113 million haircut, the chances of being able to make that back up, 10, 15, you might can make that up, Joe. 113? You can't make that up. Listen, you see what it got.

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I know you ain't. I know you ain't. Who? Hell no It depends on the situation Manfully Mm-mm Mm-hmm

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So I get it. And the unbelievable way we've played in the regular season in the last couple years, you know, the path looked a little bit more challenging to me. I might be wrong. I'm not going to stand up here and be defensive about that. But the path looked a little bit more challenging with 70% of our cap. and such a high percent of our usage tied into two players. And the reality in this era and in this day and age at the NBA,

and you could see it obviously with the last couple of champions and some of the teams that were at the very top of the league, when it was all said and done at the end of this year, is that you know, you have to do a great job and you have to have the optionality to do a great job of building out depth. that can hopefully replace the irreplaceable individual. So let me get this right. I'm going to make sure for context.

He said one of the reasons, and this could be the only reason, but I think there are a lot of, two things, three things, four things could be true. He said one of the reasons that he didn't want to have guys with high usage rate, two guys with high usage rate, and taking up 70% of the cap. Now, mind you, you were trying to trade for Yonis.

who wanted 35% of your cap, which would have been two guys again, having half the cap. And another guy that has an extremely high usage rate, it might be high than both J.B. and JT's. So you were looking to bring him on, and that wasn't going to be no issue. The issue seems to be, Yon is one or three years,

you seem to be only go to two. But the mere fact you was willing to bring somebody on to eat up 30% of your cap, So now you're back to 70% of two guys. And somebody with a high usage rate. I'm not so sure, Chad. I didn't look at this and I apologize. But as, look this up, let's see where Yonni's usage rates is compared to J.B. and JT.

It's probably higher. I'm confused, Joe. It's for sure higher. His usage rate is for sure higher. Look, man, I think we all figured that, you know, they didn't want to pay two guys, hell, the bulk of the money. And you wanted to be able to have some. Yeah, you want to be able to have some. Yeah.

to have some flexibility and options to where you could build out your team. And I just think, I thought J.B. made it easier for him. I think they'd been wanting to get rid of him, Ocho. And the timing, I'm not even saying the timing was right considering really what you got, but you knew

you had to get off of him. You know, considering the fact that he's about to get rid of come up on another contract, you were going to have to pay, you're right. If they had got, Yonis, you were going to have to pay him too. You still were going to be paying too, guys, because he wasn't going to take no damn haircut, and that's basically what Brad Steve. even saying, you know, basically, hell, we hope, you know, that some guys take haircuts,

you know, to where you can build out a roster to where you can have depth and you can have a championship caliber team. I hope we find a jail, we hope we find a Jalen Bruncelain. Absolutely not. Hey. They need, hey, they need. Go ahead, Joe. Joe.

I'm going to say they need to hurry and wrap this up now. What you mean? Celtics. There's nothing else to talk about. There should be no more Jalen Brown. conversation. No, no, no, no. They, well, Ocho, he had to get on.

He had to, he had to respond because there's a lot of questions, you know, about this trade. Okay, I understand that part. But I don't want to be a continuing dialogue that's going to carry all goddamn your loan. Well, if you, hey, if you're going, hey, if you're going to keep it real, keep it 100, then going to get out the way and say, say what you really feel. Hey, you don't have to keep building up on top of these different, you know, hey, come on

now. Yeah. Yeah, I wish we had GMs or owners that weren't PC, and they just said it like it is. They say the things they say behind closed doors, just say them publicly when there's a camera in your face. They're not going to... That's never going to happen.

They're not going to happen. This year, Luca was number one at usage at 38%. And then J.B., and then Kauai, Shea, Bronson, Donovan Mitchell, Victor Wimba Jama, James Harden, Stefan Castle, Deerrin Fox. Damn. Hold up.

J.B. second on the list up? Second. This year? Now, mind you, Yonis only played 36 games. Okay. But hell, for J.B. to be second, that's high. Very.

And Tatum only played, what, 19 games? Yeah. Yeah. So let's go back, uh, let's go back. So when you know what that really mean, though, Ocho. You know J.B. ain't taking no damn back seats. nobody when we start the season, okay?

I was just in the MVP running. Yeah. You hear me? Six or seven the MVP, right? So I'm trying to build on what I've already, you know, started. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm sitting there going to be a little conflict. Now, correctly. Now, I ain't going to be no conflict. I'm wrong. I could have swore the six gave Tyrese Maxi the Keys.

Oh, now, now, you're talking about, I'm saying if he was back in my Boston, but I understand what you're saying. Him being in Philly, no, no, no, listen, check me out. With him being in Philly, I'm not saying he got to take a backseat because I think his leadership on the defensive end is going to outweigh all that, you know what I mean? Because he's going to take the challenge every game to guard probably the best player and to go out and give him hell on offense too.

So I think he's in a great situation in Philly, bro. I mean, how many games you think he'll be going to play for real? That's not nice, Unk. You know, listen, maybe Jail him. Brown going there might motivate him a little bit to do some different things this offseason. So listen, I want to make sure I'm available for my team. I want to give the Philadelphia Sixers not just my team, but the fans suddenly never seen a different side of me, a different version of me.

Hold on, hold on. I just told you the other day, I said, if I'm Brun, I'm on the phone, A.M.B. Hey, what you got going? Yeah, look, check this out. I got a few teams. They say he's taking, they say he's listening and taking the Sixers sales pitch. very, very seriously. Yeah.

I don't know if that's true or not. But I was just, what you're looking at, I'm looking at 24, 25 when everybody was healthy in the regular season. Janice was the top of usage, a tick under 35%.

Guess who number five was? Who? Jason Tatum. Jalen Brown was all the way down at 16. So we're not surprised that Jalen Brown went up because J.T. went out.

Right, right. That's only natural. Yeah. So in other words, he sacrificed the guy that when he was on the same team as Jason Tatum, he was number 18, number 16, in usage. And the guy he wanted to replace him with was number one. So usage really ain't really have a whole lot to do with it. Because if you had that third year, Yonis would have signed off,

and you'd have a guy that the year before had the highest usage rate in all the NBA. Because bringing him on a team with a guy, had the fifth high usage rate in all the NBA. Yeah, hey, this was his second option, fellas. You know, hey, this wasn't his first go-round. This was the second one. No, I don't think so, Ash. As if you think I'm looking at it.

With this, hold on, this guy, 24-25, the high usage rate, 24-25 at 34.9. and SGA was he played 60 but on but was this hold on was this 24 25

no no Janice didn't play enough to qualify did he he qualified with 36 game I went back I went back 24 25 okay so as

so as said and so this year Yonis Luca was one, Yonis was two, Jalen Brown was three. But we understand why Jalen Brown is so high

because Jason Tainham has been removed. You would expect the guy that was 16 one year and the guy that was five, you take the guy that's five off. That's how J.B.'s numbers went up. Yeah. He had the ball more in his hand, Joe.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that was expected, though. That was expected. Yes. Yeah. So if he had kept that same usage rate, you think y'all have got the number two seed?

Y'all might not even made the playoffs. Right. Absolutely right. Look, I think there are a lot of, I think there are a lot of moving parts. And nobody's going to ever say

the real reason. I think it was some of J.B.'s outspokenness. J.B. felt they never gave him the credit that he deserved. And he said it. I used that to motivate me. Yeah. It was the contract three years. And now he's due,

excuse me, now he's due another extension. Man, I ain't no sense of me lying. I'm not going to do it. The sales people weren't going to do it. Hold on, but if you, Philly going to give him a new contract? They have to do something, Joe. If you trade it for him, you got to. You got to.

The last thing I want, bro, I gave up two first round. I gave up two unprotected first round pigs. Yeah. But J.B. going to give you good money, over the next, you know, three to six years. He going to be. I don't know what he's going to give you, but you got to give him that money

because what you gave up to get him. You got no... You got to. That means somebody got to go. Go that, huh? Well, look, Embedd contracts just start. If I'm not mistaken, Joe, I think it just starts this year. That three-year 190, I think that just kicks in this year.

Yeah. Hey, hey, Philly got some work to do. You know, because you're going to have to pay him. I mean, hell, you traded for him. And I think he's a great assay. He's going to help the day. It ain't like he ain't like he's going to be a liability. Right.

You feel me? He's going to be pretty good, bro. He's going to help the six. Hey, hold on. When you say he's going to help the sixes on, you think he's going to take a haircut too? Who? Oh, hey.

Maybe. No. No. He already got this big. He already got this big deal. Why wouldn't you, why wouldn't you want another one? Why wouldn't you want to help build your team to try to run up, run up?

No, that ain't my job. Yeah. Because guess what? I ain't part of ownership. I let you build that. I'm trying to build my team, which I'm the CEO of. Hey, hey, it's my go-around.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, I just had a big main course meal. Now I'm going back for a little dessert. You hear me? Yeah. Yeah. Because guess what? Now, just imagine, just imagine, Ocho, you gave them a deal and they trade you.

Now, how are you feeling, Joe, Ocho? Hey, somebody went to. You're going to feel some type of way. You'll have left 100 plus me. Yeah. Because they say Brunson left, allegedly, $113 million. Now you leave 90s contracts, you leave $130. You leave $150 million, and they trade you.

Yeah, they had to see me. I'm not saying. I'm going to walk up there. I'm just saying. Yeah. So it is what it is, fellas. Yeah. But Jason Tate will open up about the Celtics trading away Jalen Brown.

To be honest, it's weird. It's weird. He played on the same team with the guy for nine years. I was fortunate enough to go to the finals with them twice and to win a championship and push each other to be the players that we are today. But it just makes you appreciate the moments and the time that we had. Yeah, they don't allow you. They don't allow you to get comfortable just when you think like, you know what?

Hey, man, this could be something that we can build. You just hope we draft two guys that high. I think if I'm not mistaken, Joe, both of them with third picks and consecutive draft. all picks in the consecutive draft. And you say, you know what? They're exactly what we thought that would be. And then, I guess they say it's true, Joe and Ocho, money ruins everything. Yeah.

Yeah. We had a good thing going. Buddy ruined everything. Well, when you make too much of a yes. Yeah. Because you got the question. You think, you think, are J.B making more than the Celtics? No.

Oh, okay. So they want to make all of me. I don't want me. I get you mean. I get you mean. And then you talk about get up something back. Man, I'm trying to get a billionaire.

Hello. Because how much, the guy that owns just as a venture capitalist, they got a chisholm, I think he's the front man. He's a billionaire. But he ain't like the venture capital. So you got billionaires probably worth three, five, ten, maybe 20 billion. Hey, I'm a hundred millionaire, which is good. But I'm trying to get to, I'm trying to get the beat in front of my name.

Hello. Hey, hey, hey, hey. because this ball is only going to have some air in it for so long hell I like that one Joe that's a good one everywhere I like that come on now

and when it go flat I've got a bee in front of my name OBE OBE OBE you know O'Bee the uh I started to be a boy club

we could be the first first podcast man to be big in there but what you think about that hey now you're talking boy now you're talking

Hey we got some people we got a leap frog Joe Ocho Okay, it ain't It can happen, it can happen Hey, hey We gotta start We gotta start getting it look crazy now

I'm telling you What you mean? I mean, you know, doing some doing some other things outside of just on here, you know, outdoor, you know, exciting stuff, things that no one else is touching. You know, they didn't, they're not doing it.

Okay. We're gonna do it, we got to do it. Yeah, yeah, I got you, I got you. Joe, Joe was trying to ask, Joe was trying to ask what you talk about. Like, you try to. I ain't I ain't I ain't saying all that I ain't saying I'm not I ain't saying all that I'm just asking the question because I don't never know where the conversation can go that's why I had to get clarity I'm like man let's say you go go matter of fact hey Joe since y'all on the topic right and y'all got you got to get you some of these what's that you read that up a cock rocket you got to get you what's a cock rocket what's a cock rocket what's like it's like what is like what is like what is All candy, boy.

You remember back in the day pop rocks? You put the pop rocks in your mouth? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it goes, it goes around your jersey?

Yeah, yeah. You could do it that way or you could do it the other way. You feel me? Yeah, yeah, you got to try that. What other way? What did you say, uh? I'm gonna let that go.

I'm gonna let y'all have that. I was about to go somewhere. I don't really, or rock the pop, you know, because I mean, you do what you bowed in the week. I got you. I got you. I got you.

I got you. I got you. I got you. Go to we can. got a weed them go pop. Hey, Joe, you got, Hey, Joe, you got to get you,

you got to get you some of these too, Joe. What is that? What's that? No, never rings. Oh, Oh, did it. Hey, Joe.

What's you mean? What you, you're saying for her, I need to get them for her? You get them for all you. Me? But what, why would I use them though?

That ain't going to turn me on. Hey, Joe, you got to get you one of these too, Joe. Man, that Joe got a bubble up. Tell my for the girl. For the girl? You, Joe. Come on, man.

How are you long on? How are you long? I got to go on. I'm sorry. I'm not for real. No, I ain't, I ain't going to keep. How do you turn the thing off? Ann, Joy, I'm sorry.

It's just too much going on. Yeah, the nightcap then cap me to hell out. I'm out. I can't do it anymore. I'm gone. I got, yeah, no. Now, now I got to go. I got to go.

I'm sorry, man. I appreciate y'all. I appreciate y'all. No, no, no, I appreciate y'all. I got to go, man. I can't, ain't no damn way. I got to go. This man going to go on here.

We can't, we can't keep putting up with this, man, for real. This man going to have to get violation, red card, something. His ass got to be suspended for a show or something. We can't keep letting that man get on here and do all this, man. Hell no. Come on, man. Hey, you got to get you some of this electrical tape, too.

Electrical tape. I got it. Wait on. Hey, go on. I'm about to show. I got to go. I think it's true, yeah, I got it.

I got it. Nah, for real. I was feeling bad. Let me tell you something. I don't mean to be playing around, right? But I was sad after USA lost. After USA lost, I went to, I went to expenses.

I went to got some toys, man, try to, you know, try some stuff, you know, baby. You know, trying to make myself. feel a little better about Belgian beating us. And, I mean, I tried it. I tried it, Joe. And I just thought, you know, you would be one to explore and want to do something different, Joe.

But how do you figure me out of old people? Hey, I'll ask somebody else in church. No, no, he don't. Now, he don't. Now he don't. Hey, you plug these up, boy, like a jumper cable, boy. You hit me? Hey, Joe, hey.

It's going to start something while. It ain't a bad. Try it. No. Joe, Joe, some people, but some people have,

what they call as a, uh, is a kink. Right. See, I ain't no, I ain't no kinky,

I ain't no kinky, I'm gonna keep it real. I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get you to try some new shit. Some, it's words. Some people,

some is words. She can say something. You can say something. Yeah. Some, it's, it's, it's touching.

It's certain things that'll get you to go, pop, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand. I dig it.

I dig it. Ocho is trying to get you to... Right. Yes. Expand your horizon. Hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why is that Ocho trying to get me?

I thought he was showing all of us. Chat and he's showing you? He, hey, what do you mean? Just me. He's trying to get me to expand my horizon. I already told you all we cool on me. We're good. We good.

Joe, at least try the cock rocket, Joe. At least try that. The cock rocket? You hear me? Yeah. All right. All right. All right.

All right. I at least try let me try to butt plug with a little heart, Joe. Come out for her, put it on, put it on heart. Either way, y'all can exchange. Either way. Come on, man, see, that's what I'm talking about.

That's what I'm talking about. Hey, Joe, you got to be, hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, you, could you, oh, you, cause you, you got, yeah, you got a, whoa with the heart on it. Hey, Joe. Man, off the time.

I'm just showing. They got them to light up. They got them to light up. Oh, yeah, Joe. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm good. I don't know why you're telling me what they got lighting up and all this. I'm good.

Like, I win, you know what I mean? Like, what's up, man? And try to tape, too. What the tape go, Ocho? You could tie up like this or you could. Tie her, time, tie her. Either behind or in front. It depends on, you know how you want.

Sometimes, you kind of like hog time. Yeah, yeah, you got to be, yeah, you got to be, but she got to be, you know, she can't, she got to have like really, shoulders. Yeah. You know, to be like in this position, the prone position like that.

Yeah. And to be able to end, to be in that position and have to, you know, toot that thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why that's why you have to be careful.

You know, Poli, they have to get you up really quick because the, the chest goes up and down. Yeah. Well, if you own your chest, it ain't nowhere to go. Yeah. So she got to be real loose and a minimum.

There's something like that. Like Luke say, face down, it's up. That's the way we got the truth. See, you see, that's what I'm talking about. I've been trying to tell y'all. Now, I'm saying I'm in the three spot. I'm in the three spot. Boy, chat got you far from three, partner.

I'll just tell you that right now. Just case you didn't know, Chad got you far from three. But I'm three. Joe, you know it, Joe. Hey, Joe, Joe, one. You two. You know, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know how we talk about the Celtics,

the 1A and 1B. Jadam Brown, Jason Tatum. Yeah, that's your ultra. One A and one B. Yeah. What I got to do with this? Come on, man. Come on, man.

Man, man, just pull out butt plugs, the jumper, and hook up on your nipples. Come on, man. He's talking about what I got to do with this. I'm just trying to expand your horizon, Joe. That's all? My horizons are expanding.

We're good, bro. Listen, I'm, that. Joe, you are alive, but you're not living, Joe. I'm just trying to help you spice up your love life, Joe. That's all. that's all. Get you some of them though, boy. Hey.

Hey, tell her wife, when you put these on, tell her put some ice. Take some ice. Put the ice on there too, Joe. Touch the figure. Numb to pain. Hey, Joe will get put out, man. You know,

you're right around the corner from the crib. You got to take it. Man, this is look. And I think, think the thing. I know it's back back to Jason Tatum.

I think, like I said, he's in a different stage of his life. Yeah. And I think both guys are very level-headed. Yeah. But I think J.T. has a serious lady.

He got two kids. And he, boom, he focused on that. J.B. is a very serious young man. there are things as important or more important to him than basketball. He's just not a basketball player. He's a very conscientious brother. He sees the plight.

He sees what's going on around him. And he wants to change that. I don't see what as a as a organization. Boston life, bro, we just want somebody just focus on basketball. Yeah. Hey, hey, Jay, we're going to be in the White House one day here. Yeah. Yeah.

He, yeah. He locked in. Yeah, he's a very conscientious brother. And I hated JT. They had to break y'all up, bro, but, hey, it was just, it was inevitable. Because J.T. pretty soon, he's going to be, hey, two years, JT.

He's going to be for a contract extension. His contract going to be not five, five before one. This probably, hey, hey, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, this probably the most pressure, J.P., probably the most pressure season JT is going to have in a while. Yes. You know. Because, hell, they went out as a two-seed last year, man.

Correct. So, you know, they went to get some help. They added some good additions. I like Big Mitchell Robinson. You know, I like Paul George if he can, you know, give him a greater number of games. But, man, J.T. got to come through. Yokeish says, I'm holding off. I'm going to sign next year.

The next year extension for Yokic, five years, $359. Jesus Christ. You don't think he's going to take it. Or he can take a new year, 278. He says, I hold off and I'll do the five. So guess what? In two years with JT. So if he gets five for $359,

what is it going to be two years from there? Hey, that's going to be baseball numbers. Hey, you think. It's going to be five for $400. You're going to take a haircut? All these players don't want to build a team, a championship caliber team, but want to get as much money as they came. I already.

I built one. They did win one already. Okay, you're right. Because here's the thing, Ocho. This is what we know. Give somebody something for free. They'll never want to pay you for it. There's a reason why the risk card in the four-season,

the hotels like chains, establishments like that don't give discounts. That's for Rarra's going to come with a discount. Because once you give somebody what they want, man, Ocho hook you, boy. I already hooked you up. Come on, you can do it. Come on now, Ocho, come on now.

So, no, don't start that. Don't start it. And then you'll be fine. According to Shams, LeBron, it's taking the Sixers very seriously after they got Jaila Brown. When I talk to teams now, I have a hierarchy of Cleveland, Miami, Philadelphia, and then some teams on the peripheral. Joe, Bron, the Sixers, you like that? Yeah, yeah, I like it. I told y'all, there's a few places I like to see Bron.

You know, I wouldn't mind seeing them. Yeah, Ocho, I get it, you know. The Miami thing is cute. and all that. Boy, I ain't going to lie. I probably had to make me a few trips down to South Beach again. You hear me, if he go back to South Beach. Ocho, he ain't going to do it, Ocho.

But he definitely don't show up, boy. I'm with you when you're right, boy. All right, Chad, I'm talking to y'all, chat. Check this out. But him going to Philly, but him going to Philly playing with them young thunder cats over there, I think he'll be just with the doctor order. You know what I mean?

I think he'll be able to facilitate some things. You know, he'll keep them young boys under control. And like I tell y'all, I'll be on the phone with MB. I just need to know what it looked like, partner, before I signed on the dotted line. But then again, going home, you know, playing in Cleveland, they already got everything in place, scores, rebounders, defenders, not perimeter defenders. Other than it, is home, and I can retire where it started. Like Dorothy said in The Wizard of Oz, there's no place like home.

There's no place like home. to me, Cleveland makes the least amount of sense to me. Yeah. With Hardin and Mitchell. Yeah. That makes the least amount of sense to me. And all basketball, the teams that make the most sense, Miami, because he can run the point, and the Warriors.

Those make the most sense because why, Joe, he can have the ball in his hands. Yeah. But I just don't think the Warriors ain't going to happen because I think he, I think, obviously, with the AD thing, I don't think Washington letting AD go. Okay, Ocho. So I don't think...

Well, they can't get to be the trade rumor today? What? Him going to Cleveland? They would trade, they would trade, what? A first round pick, Jared Allen, and somebody else for Anthony Davis to come to Cleveland. If they do that,

then they mean they got the okay that Bron coming home. If that happens before Braun commit, y'all better know he coming on. It all sound good. it all sounds But I'm with, hey, listen, listen Oh, Ocho, I'm with you.

I ain't gonna lie. I like the Miami thing, bro. I think he'll have more ball handling dudes than Miami than he will in Cleveland. You know what I mean? And man to have Bam and Jan is right next to you

running that break. Hey, doing all the heavy lifting. All the dirty work. Defensively. Huh? In the Eastern, hey, in the Eastern Conference too? Hello?

Make it easy. Why would I go to go? I know, I know Og don't want to hear that because he want to go to go and stay hangout with E-40 and I don't know. I ain't really,

I didn't spend no time in the bay. I mean, I go down to Ocho, I'll see you down in Miami. Yeah, I'll let your boy. I'll let you boy. I'll let you boy. That's what you think he's going? That's what.

No, I'm just saying, I'd say, look, I'm, because I think, you know, potentially this is his last year. He'll know, and everybody. know this is closer to the end in the beginning, I've got to see him no matter where he goes. I got to see him at least one.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, will you get ready? You get ready to come on down to Miami, you know? I got, I got, listen, you can stay with me, boy, I got a spot out. Got a little place right here on the West Wing, good for you. You already say he can't bring no hostage with him, so he ain't coming to stay with you. No, no. No, sir.

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That's up. The Lakers rolled out an elaborate pitch meeting for Austin Reed featuring customized pillows, blankets, stakes, and in his favorite country music to get him to sign per Ramona Shelburne. Meanwhile, the franchise never offered a vision, a face-to-face meeting, or a former offer to LeBron before he decided to leave. Listen Man, they ran this course, man They love Braun But they was ready to move on Uncle Ocho

Yes Yeah, when you hear those reports Look, Luke already vouched for AR Hey look man I don't want to be He wasn't going to where He wasn't going nowhere After he vouched for it

Yeah, no Even if that meant getting honest He said no Yeah, yeah So yeah They're gonna roll the red carpet out for him Yeah Yeah

Hey just more fuel to the five For the king man For him to come back and, you know, put all that, put all that riffra after bed. Yeah, you just need a little more fuel. That's it. Yeah, I mean, look, obviously, the Lakers had the upper hand. You know how when you get the upper hand, you want some things.

I mean, it's just like a job when you have the upper hand. Hey, you're touted. They want you. You ask for some things. You put some things in your contract. So it's a pitch where they try to say, we really want you. We understand that.

LeBron did not have the leverage at 42, that he had at 32, that he had at 35. We understand that. It happened. I'm not mad at the Lakers. Hey, listen. It was obvious. This is what they wanted.

The mere fact that when they got Luca, that was it. Hey, but think about it, though. What if Brown really wanted, what if he really didn't want to go back to L.A. for real? I'm saying if you're LeBron and you really assess the team, right? And you really look at, you know, what you was able to accomplish in this postseason.

What pretty much without Luca and A.R. And you're like, man, listen, here, even if they was healthy, hell, we still got some work to do. You feel what I'm saying? Considering that on the perimeter, on the perimeter side here, we can't defend, you know, at a high level to be a championship caliber team. What if he understood all that, Uncle O' Jones? Like, you know what?

I'm just, I got a few teams in mine already. I'm going to kind of see what happens. Because I really still believe if the Knicks didn't win, I think he would have went to New York, bro. And it would have been, I mean, it would have been, I mean, look, it's New York. But I'm not surprised by this. Oh, I mean, like when new free agents, they're trying to get a free agent to sign.

He's on your own team. Or they're trying to bring in a free agent. They roll out the red carpet. Hello. And the guys that they don't want to sign back, what? They don't roll out no red carpet. They don't even call your head. This is not new.

I promise you. And plus, what type of red carpet are you going to roll out for Brian? Brian doesn't have had it all. Yeah. The man had been in the league 23 years. He had it all. He just seen it all. He got the pitch.

He got the pitch from Miami to go to Miami. He got the pitch from Cleveland to come back to Cleveland. I mean, he didn't really, I mean, Magic didn't have to do anything to him. He, Magic just, Rich Paul and, uh, Magic went to Rich Paul and Braun and, hey, he's like, what you got? That's it. Yeah. I just, I'm not, I'm not surprised by this. I'm not upset by this.

I mean, there was the right thing to do. Once Luca vouched for AR and rightfully so, AR has gotten better and better and better. Before he got hurt, he was averaging 28 points. He averaged 23 points on the regular season. He's a phenomenal offensive player. they're just challenged defensively. Hey, look,

I'm glad AR got paid, but boy, listen, that damn 45, what do he make, what are he going to be making it on? Yeah, he got what,

four years, 180 something? That's good, that's good for him on. 48, so 45 a year. Yeah, it's great for him. I'm just saying,

expectations come with that damn 45, oh, Cho. What's going to change? What's going to change? Especially for someone who wasn't, He wasn't even drafted.

Because they didn't have the expectations when you didn't make nothing. Your expectation changed when you became one of the highest paid. Hey, hey. So now... They expect 100 y'all in the game. Yeah, every game.

Hey, listen. And check this out. And check this out. If I'm the opponent, now, okay, damn, I'm going to a $45 million dude. Hell, if I shut his ass down, what they're saying about me. You feel what I mean?

Joe, I like what you're thinking, Joe. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, hey, people going to compete a little harder against you now, bro. That's what it is. You're going to be at top of the damn scowry report now. Yeah, AR, yeah, don't give him no space.

Make him a driver. One thing about it. Awesome Rees. We'll put your ass in the blender now. I know. I'm room for him. I'm room for him. I know.

That's your homeboy. He's from Arkansas. Oh, yeah. I'm room for him now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hey, Joe, tell me come on the show, man. Hull at your boy, man.

A.R. I bet I'm hit him. Yeah. I got you. I got your question, though, Joe. What's the question? You think that ain't could beat me one-on-one? Yeah, here, sir, you wouldn't even score here.

Hey, hey, don't get it twisted. That white boy can play, man. So what you? I know, I know what you're thinking. I know what you're thinking. You know, we have a tendency not to give them a lot of respect sometimes, but that white boy can play. I respect everybody, Joe. But I'm just asked, I just want to see what your answer would be.

As my co-hoes to see if you had any faith in me. But, okay, I got you, Joe. Well, I got to keep it 100. I, you know, I don't know no way, Ocho. I'm going to keep it 100 with you. You know what I mean? Okay. I appreciate that.

Yeah, no doubt. The Lakers are offering Jonathan Cominga a starting role in their free agent pitch per Anthony Slater. Los Angeles projected starting lineup if Caminga signs, Luca, A.R. Caminga, Sandro, Mama Keelisville, and Walker Kessler. Joe.

Hey, what? You don't like that all? Who's going to defend? Uh, Caminga. Huh? he can mean gonna be a two-way guy you know his thought process gonna be a little different yeah you say damn joe he ain't want to play side next to step he hey listen man when you've been through a few situations and you kind of know and understand the pecking order hey you

better get your ass in line and figure out what it is you can do and figure out and figure out what it is you can do or bring to the team that can make us better they don't have defenders okay oh cho they need a guy who can sit in their church what about sandro what he gonna do Man, I don't mean. He was a shooter. Who the hell is that? I don't even know what it is. He got him off Toronto.

And he didn't shoot, he didn't shoot as good as Rui. And what they paid him, they paid him more than what they was offering Rui. Hey, I ain't got no rhyme of reason for what the Lakers doing. Lakers trying to build out there with a nice little roster, a little bit of a little bit of everybody can contribute to some degree. Hell, they ain't trying to be caught up like Boston. They're glad A.R. Didn't, he gave him a little haircut. He did.

He could have got a five-year. like two something, 239. Yeah. So, hey, man, maybe the Lakers trending in the right direction. We got to get a Lakers a chance. I know they look like a four-in-a-team over there, but, hey, we got to see what it's going to do. We definitely go see.

And Lakers look like a frat. Like a frat house. You know, with a little color sprinkled in there. A judge denies Terry Rozier's request to modify its bail conditions. Terry Rozier wants to play in the NBA while the fight while he fights sports gambling charges that sidelined him last season. Bail conditions that bar him from contact with certain players and limit his travel could complicate the potential return. U.S. Judge Lashon D.R.C. Hall on Wednesday, denies the defense request to modify Rozier bail condition

so he can practice and play with potential witnesses as long as they don't talk about the case. The judge said it would be impossible to police Rozier's own court conversation. She admonished Rozier for already violating the non-contact provision of his $3 million bond by sending text messages to a person to which he's told not to communicate with. Rozier was contacted the person to tell them that he was on the non-contact list. The R.C. Hall said, what that tells me is that he believes he knows better than the court, Hall said at the hearing in Brooklyn's federal court. Roger said Rosier

She said violated the court's trust With that text message Joe What team is going to pick you up bro? Bro, yo It's over It's over

They're going to trust you Hey As good as As a player That he is Malik Beasley is Terry Rojee is It's just hard

To see a team taking a chance on them on can ocho what do you mean hard to see joe it's hard am i it's hard it's a it's a it's a p r nightmare they're not dealing with that that's what they don't want brother had to answer that they have to answer that every day and then don't let you have a bad game because yeah they they're they're going to have to read between the lines on the question they're every turnover yeah every loose ball that he doesn't get now i now i question everything and that's not how it should be i should be able to watch the game in which Terry Rozier or Malique Beasley plays and have no thought come across my mind, maybe he missed that shot on purpose.

Man, why he didn't get that rebound? Man, why he dribble the ball off his foot? I shouldn't have to watch a game like that. And, bro, you know you're not supposed to. And because guess what happened? That person that you contact, they told. Yeah. They told.

They say, I ain't fit to go. Hey, bro, I'm not, I'm trying to get up out of this. You're trying to get me in some stuff. You try to, hey, bro, I'm already in water, deep water, and you turn the holes on and put more water in the ocean. I'm trying to get up out of this. Hey. I don't know who he talked to, Joe, before you go. I don't know who he talked to, but they told.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's no difference than the Sorosby kid from, you know, in college football, bro. Yeah, Texas Tech. No, it's going to be hard. Hey, man, nobody, nobody even going to probably give you a shot, bro. Think about it.

If y'all was a GM or owner of a team, man, you don't want that on your team, bro. I'm sorry. If it was an isolation, if it was a situation a couple of times, 9,000. Do they know how many 9,000? Just start counting. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

that's a lot of bets. Then they go to 20. Now go to 100 bets. Now go to a, thousand bets right now go to 9,000 I just don't know

how you trust that I don't now he might go to counseling and he might go and but to admit because here's the thing you might be able to say that you know what

I'm done with this I'm not going to do it anymore the problem that you run into is to convince teams and owners and general managers you heard Todd Monkin the man bet on the game I don't know

I don't know if you want your franchise quarterback. That's what you want from him? No. That's the thing, though. I mean, and he got a $3 million bond. And he had a, because they'll tell you who you can and can't communicate with. Right. Hold on.

How long he been locked up? No, he's out. He on bond. Oh, he on bond. Yeah, three million. Which is normally a 10%. Now, they might have made it put, they might have made it put property up or something like that. But normally, I mean, sometimes they'll make, they'll make, they'll,

give, hey, they might make you have a $3 million cash bond, but I'm assuming this is 10% of that, which is $300,000. Mm. Especially they think you a flight risk. They're, hey, they take, but they're going to take your passport and they'll put

a GPS monitor on you. They really think you're a flight risk. They really, they really, they really, hey, $100 million, $200 million, $300 million. $300 million. They make you reflect, bro. Yeah. Got to. like damn they try to put it so high

especially if they're really concerned about you knowing that you probably can't come up with it and then it's like nah they put your ass on home they put your ass on house arrest home confinement you can't leave but I don't know bro you know your agent your attorney has already told you but you got you got the

affidavit you already see the complaint yeah and a part of the part of the stipulation is you cannot have communication with. I can't talk to Joe, I can't talk to Ocho, I can't talk to Jordan, I can't talk to Ash. Even through an intermediary. Well, I didn't know I could. I ain't talked to him directly.

Yeah, but you sent word through somebody else. That's the same thing. Well, I, good luck. I wish you the best, bro. But I just don't see our team going to touch you of moving forward. No. I mean, you know they're not. And simply, as great as he is, obviously having this, you know,

overshadding it over your head. Team don't want to deal with the PR nightmare. No, sir. That's all it comes down to. It's an absolute PR nightmare. Of course. Because like you said, oh, Joe, like we're talking about, you watching the game, and he turned the ball over.

Tell me what's the first thing that will go through your mind? He missed a wide open layup. He missed a wide open shot. What's going through your mind, Joe? Mm-hmm. Yep. Hey. You found that man on the situation.

Like, bro, why you... Hey, he had had to come back and be a damn near perfect from the field, Joe. It would. Because you think about it, when you go back and when they go back and they play some of the clips that he did, they talk about he's going to miss part of the game. You see the man make a shot, run down the court, then all of a sudden he grabbed his ankle. Like, oh, damn. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. get a situation. And Joe, we talked about it. When Kay Cunningham passed that ball to Malik Beasley, and the ball went right through his hand. Right.

Yeah. Now you look it. They make you think. He gets the ball. The line was seven and a half. They're up nine. He gets the ball raised down the court, dunk it. Now you win by seven.

Yeah. Everything go get called into question. It's just, it's just tough. That. And we've seen. We've seen the NBA, we've seen MLB, we've seen the NFL. Forgive a lot. But boy, will you start gambling?

Art Sleaster? Now, there have been a situation, but this was way back. You look at a Paul Horning had a situation. There was a defensive lineman. He was the father on Webster. He had a situation. They got suspended for a year. Who else?

I think it was like three guys. Horning. I forget, Chad, I forget the guy. But he was the father on Webster. But he was a defensive lineman for the Detroit Lions. Chad, you can look it up. I think it was three of them, way back when. And they got suspended for a year.

But I think now, Art Sleaster, they just say, you're done. Because they tried to give him grace, and he's just like, he couldn't help himself. I don't know. I mean, that. That gambling man, people just want to believe it. Because now, even more than ever, because you see so many guys being involved in it, and I didn't understand, I mean, I'm looking at some of these guys and they're doing these prop bets.

I'm like, guys, you're making millions, and you're trying to win hundreds? What does that sense that make? It don't. It don't make no sense. At all. But when you got all these different gambling spots, okay, oh, to where you can bet on these games. Alex Carrey.

You got to figure. Alex Carrey. You got to go ahead, Joe. You got to figure some of these guys going to indulge in it a little bit. You know, I think that's just human nature. And that's why you see so many guys who've got caught up, whether it's collegiate, whether it's pros. Hell, and it's just the people they call.

But Joe. You know what I mean? I'm making $30 million. I'm making $35 million. I can bet on baseball. I can bet on football. I can bet on tennis. I can bet on golf, I can bet on the World Cup.

Just don't bet on your sport. I can't make it make sense for you. You heard me, John. What's your Joe? What you said? What you said? You can't, everything you just named. You can't control those outcomes.

They're betting on situations where they can control the outcomes. Yes. And obviously, most of the time, hey, Uncle Joe, not only are they bedding, I think sometimes they're in positions where they don't want to bed anymore, but they're in bed with the wrong people. But hold on. one time it's over.

They don't have a choice but to keep going it. But hold on, but hold on. If you're trying to control a game, okay, Ocho, to where you win these bets, man, you can't have nobody betting no damn 100,000, 200,000. Ain't no, hold on. After blue, we get these bets

from Terry Rozier and Malik B. Come on, bro. They're looking into that A-Sep. But it's the pro-it. It's the proff best. Because, I mean, they're, like you said, Joe, under a certain number of points. he's like oh i'm gonna lead the game so i'm gonna be guaranteed i'm not gonna make

that's the way one way to control it yeah i just i i think they got stuck joe i think they got stuck oh joe with all the money that you're making from basketball here you can you can go pay your damn dead off no i'm saying i think they got stuck in bed with certain people that were gambling and the old people that they were gambling with were relying on them to do certain things to make sure they kept that money coming in for other people, not them.

I hate it for them dudes, bro. I'm talking about two cats who could play and could help a real contender. I hate that for them, bro. Yeah, it was Paul Horning and Alex Carrey's. They were both suspended for, I think a year, Alex Carrey's got a year and five other players, along with Carras,

was fired $2,000 for betting on the 1962 NFL championship game. Damn. He was spending, Paul Horning, he was the MVP in 1961 and was spending for the entire 63 season for betting on NFL games after he admitted to betting up to $500 on a game and associating with known gamblers. Yeah, once they get you, they get you to bid once. That's a wrap.

It's a wrap, right? That's all it takes. But, like, you know, we were talking about, like, that's what I don't, you know, like, bet on other sports. For me, I just couldn't do that. To bet on, to basically bet against my team or knowing the hard work that I put in, knowing the hard work to you, the other guys put in on Joe and Joe, and this is what I'm going to do.

Sometimes, like I said, everything doesn't have to make sense. This doesn't make sense to me. you know, you making 30 million. These guys weren't making no money. You see boxing, you know, everybody said boxing with the fix. Guys taking dives, Ocho. But it wasn't no money.

Ocho, if you're making $40, 50 million, if I can't make $100 million, why am I even, because normally people bet, I bet 500 with the hopes of winning $5,000, 50,000. I'm not betting no millions hoping to win hundreds or thousands. I make $30 million.

Terrible you're making $30 million a year. Damn. And you're going to go gamble on your game. You don't want to bet football. You don't want to bet baseball. You don't want to bet hockey or World Cup of Soccer. They got soccer games going on all the time that you can bet on. You don't want to bet on golf.

You don't want to bet on baseball. You want to bet on the sport that you play? You want to control it. You're messing with your senior somewhere where you can't control nothing. Hey. Hello. Hello. Hello.

Not even draws you put on. Yeah. I mean, can you imagine you making that kind of money? And then you go, what you think they're going to say when he come in there? Now, he ain't going to go to the big eyes. He'll go one of those, you know, little farm houses and something like that. But what you think they're going to say? Go to fad.

What's your thing they going to say to him? Bro, really? You know what they're going to say. Really, bro? 30 million. And you're going to bet props? they in the feds they can't say nothing in it because they're asking there for a reason but joe which one of the ones you think they're making 30 million i mean you might find

some of them guys that some swindle some people out of some money you know them pyramid schemes and thing like that them embezzle some money but but that's what i don't get that's what but yeah they embezzling hoping to take all the money so i got a pyramid scheme um right Bernie Madoff. Bernie Madoff. Bill and the billion dollars. Okay. Oh, what you?

I still don't understand how you did that, boy. Because you give me $5,000. I give you $15,000 in two weeks. What you're going to do next? You're going to bring me more money, right? Because I just gave you $10,000 in two weeks on the $5,000 that you get.

So I gave you $15,000 back plus your $5,000. So guess what you're going to do now? Man, God, dang. You're going to bring me more money and more money. Then he's going to come to me. Because then I'm going to take the money I got from Joe and pay you. And then I'm going to take the money from somebody else and pay Joe. And guess what Joe going to do?

Bring me more money. That's how it worked. That's how he gets to a billion. Because he's dealing with people that got billions. Yeah. And they trusted him. The guy from the Mets. The guy that owned the Mets.

All these people. Did you see all the famous people that he had money that he had? Hell, he had. billions. Yeah, he's playing with some heavy hitters, Ocho. That's how pyramid scheme work. That's how they get you. You know what?

Let me show you how good this thing is, Ocho. Give me $10,000. You give me $10,000 on Wednesday, and two weeks later, I shoot you your $10,000 back plus another $20. Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Oh, I'm just that guy.

Hey. Hey, let my grandma say, sometimes it's too good to be true. No, no. Here you go. Here's the thing. He gave you the money back. You ain't looking at it's too good to be true now because you got the money back. You might be thinking that at the time that somebody can give you a 20, a 30, 40% return on your money.

But that's why you only gave him 10,000. So if you gave him 10,000, he gave you $20,000 in two weeks plus your $10,000 back. If I give him $100,000, if I give him $500,000, what are he going to give me, Joe? Oh, got him. Got him. I don't set the hook now. Just don't let him off. Yeah, that's some bad work, though.

Yeah. Yeah. That's how the pyramid scheme work. And then after a while, guess what? Man, Ocho, you know, hey, give me one more week. Mm. Mm. That's what the game started playing.

Yep. Poop. Yep. Hey, hey, hey, now they ain't asking you call. Now you ain't heard from me. Yeah. Hey, I'm going to try that. Try what?

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