Club Shay Shay - Best of NBA News Part 2: Rich Paul JOINS to talk all things Bron + Jaylen Brown & Joel Embiid STILL haven’t spoken?!

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe "King Iso" Johnson bring you the Best of NBA on Nightcap! The crew reacts to Rich Paul making a surprise appearance on the show. Plus, they discuss Anthony Edwards continuing his rise toward superstardom, and why Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid still haven't spoken after their headline-making trade. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Rich Paul shock drops and joins the show!33:00 - Anthony Edwards taking next steps56:00 - Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid still haven't spoke? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Who? He muted. Hey, Rich, you muted? I'm unmuted. Hey, what's our, twin? What's our, Twins?

What's good? Hey, I'm sitting here trying to educate. I'm trying to educate these. these two on my, on my, um, excellency when it comes to talking basketball and where our Bronn going. Like, I, I know you can't say it, but I know where you're going. I'm trying to explain to them why he's going and why it makes the most sense. You know better than me.

Yeah, I, see, I took, see, what I told y'all. I told you. Rich, obviously, obviously, this has been something going on. When LeBron didn't have, LeBron was on an expiring contract, and you know there was going to be some decisions that had to be made. is he going back, is he going to retire? If he leaves it, if and when he leaves and goes somewhere else, what's he looking for?

Either the championship, either the place is, you know, I got Savannah and Zuri's enrolled and she got her volleyball going on. Savannah has us stuff. Bron is doing his thing. We got Bryce in Arizona. So as you sat down and talked to LeBron, what became abundantly and crystal clear to you what LeBron was looking for? Oh, man, that's a good question.

question. I mean, you know, I think all of our former athletes, it's just uncharted waters, you know, there's very seldom you get to year 24. And number one, you're still playing at such a high level. And then number two, you know, you're still able to contribute and unlock things wherever you may end up. I think the, the clearest thing was that he wasn't staying in L.A. That was probably the, that was probably the most clear thing. When did you know, when did you realize that? When did you realize LeBron is not going back to the Lakers? When he finally told you like, okay, you can start shopping me elsewhere?

Yeah, you know, I think, you know, look, you guys know me for, the craziest thing is, all of y'all know me for a long time. So I, you know, I don't fake. there's nothing to fake here. It was, yeah, just as simple as that, you know. And all those decisions are tough. Obviously, you play somewhere for a long time, and, you know, you still want to play the game,

but you understand your positioning and how you want to go about things. And so when he made that clear, that was the only clear thing that I had possession of. Everything else, you know, you just have to go to work and try to set the table. as best as possible to allow him to understand what's in front of him. And he's obviously, you guys know, Bronner is extremely smart with all this stuff.

So he has a, he has an understanding of what's there. But there are some things that you have to think about that we go through. And believe it or not, you know, I know just as much as you guys know. Hey, hey, hey, Rich. Hey, hey, hey, hey, what's up, you. You know what, Joe? Me and you got an issue, man. I ain't seen you, I ain't heard from you

I used to hear from you all the time What's going on Joe? You know you, my guy I come to a little rock Don't hear nothing to listen Where is Joe? Hey, hey, hey, it's I keep up with you man

I see you moving around doing your thing I'm proud of it, you know what I mean You had several conversations And you know the uphill battle What it is and what you got to deal with Someone in my position and now Being an executive role And what I've been able to

to build along with my colleagues and things like that. You know, we're here, man. Here to stay. Hey, hey, hey, I've seen your whiteboard. Yes, sir. I've seen your whiteboard. I've seen it. I want to know.

You saw one of my white boards. I saw one of you, okay, one of your white boards. Do y'all got to narrow down to about four or five teams or everybody kind of still wide open? I don't know nothing about no narrowing down, Joe. Well, they're saying he's about to make a decision. We just talked about this since, Oh, you know this.

Sean Devaney. A pair of lips will say anything, man. See, I like coming a nightcap, but I can have a little fun. I want to come out here. I've been trying to come on here and just hang with you guys, man. But, yeah, don't listen. Don't know that stuff. Don't nobody know.

If I don't know who know. See? And I'm the only, you know. Oh, Joe and RJ know. Oh, Joe. And, oh, Joe. Hey, I, I'm telling you I know. Listen, let me say.

I'm going to say what Rich King say. Obviously, Rich is in a position. He's in a great position. But he says, is it giving a curse to be in a position that he's in, being the executive that he is. So he has to keep it hush. You have to stay in LeBron and Rich and their team in general, how they always been. They've always been two or three steps ahead of everybody else.

Huh? And what I like to call, I like to call it, playing the waiting game. LeBron is methodical. They're very strategic, and they're always ahead of the game. They're always ahead of the curve in everything that they do. his next move has to be his best move. That's what they're thinking. So I'm going to respond to me. Stay with me.

Look at the landscape of the NBA right now. What is the best thing for LeBron to do? Okay. Do I want to go play in the West? In the West? Absolutely not. Listen, go to state and look good on paper. Does he want to play with Steph?

Yes. He's always loved to play with Steph. But at this point his career, do you want to go to the West and deal with him juggernauts? No, you don't want to deal with, you don't want to deal with Denver. you don't want to deal with the Spurs and Wemby. You don't want to deal with them. So what's the best fit for it?

The East, over there in Philly, why? You got Maxie need the ball. You got Jalen Brunson. Again, I said earlier. I mean, excuse me, Jalen Brown. You got Embed sort of clogging up the hole a little bit. He and the Wade. That don't make no sense.

Down here, the 305 in the county, we already been. Why not bring another trip down here? You can facilitate. You can dictate. Well? You told the place of the game. Well, hey, do I got to worry about my cookies getting taken again? Now, we're good.

I mean, you're telling me that now, but when I get there, what it's going to be like? It's like a recruiter trip, Joe. They tell you all the good stuff until they get you the side and then all of a sudden, oh, no, it ain't nothing like that. We're going to be good. We're going to be good. Man, you're funny, man. But let me ask you this.

Okay, hey, listen. Go ahead, Joe. Rich, damn, can we, I mean, what coast? Dollar bill can't give you nothing, Joe. Hey, Joe, I just, Joe, I just explained everything to you. He's in a tough spot. Yeah. I'm rich representation right now.

I'm his voice. I'm his platform. I'm telling y'all what's going to happen. It just kind of hard to believe. You have another client. And he got traded from the Lakers, went to Dallas. He got injured right there, and he really didn't get an opportunity to fulfill. Because the way they looked at it and they thought if we got Kyrie, we got

AD and they ended up getting Cooper Flag, I would have loved to have seen how that would have panned out, it didn't happen. But if AD can give them somewhere between 60 and 65 games with Trey, with something to prove after being traded from Atlanta, and A.J. DeBonsa.

Can the Wizards be... I think the Wizards are the top 16 in the East. I think the Wizards are the top 16 in the East, man. I really believe that. Because, you know, say what you want about Trey. Look, it's very difficult to play one-on-one basketball defensively in the NBA.

I don't care who you. Nobody gives our Joe Johnson. Nobody. I don't know. The best of them. And we had some great defenders. Tony Allen was the, was Numeruono off night. He was the original off-night.

You had a lot of great defenders back then. It's just hard to defend a guy one-on-one. So now you've got to have great team defensive guys, guys that help side defense. your rotations have to be right. When it comes to being a great team, I think understanding and getting guys to buy in and play a role has a major factor. The younger the team,

you got to think all these guys are coming from, it was my situation. They picked the school they wanted to go to. They picked the AAU team they wanted to play on. They picked the high school team they wanted to play on. So now I get to the league, I don't have that. So now who's willing to actually buy in? Who's willing to play a role, right?

because you're not getting 20 shot, 25 shot attempts every night. Not when you got all stars and all NBA type guys on the team, right? And then someone has to sacrifice. So I think if the Wizards, the organization is not of what people would think, perceived just because they had a losing record. They're actually doing some really great things there in Washington. They went out and got Will Dawkins and Michael Winger.

the ownership group had already been great. So that's never been an issue. You know, Ted and then son, Zach, are tremendous people. I just believe that they're going to be a really strong team and a shop to the east this year, given that all-sillers are clicking. I know AJ's coming in as the number one pick, but he's going to have to fit in and play a role.

Now, there'll be something nice where he get off and do his thing, no question about it. and he's talented enough to do so, but it's just all about the buying. And that happens in training camp. That happens in the film room. That happens on the Tuesday night against Sacramento or against Milwaukee or the young teams that you may see on,

look and see on paper and say, oh, we should beat them. But then you have to actually beat them because this is the NBA. So you go in there and you're playing me basketball, you won't win. The one thing AD brings to the table is he's a champion, right? He's been to the finals and won. in the Western Conference Finals. When he came to L.A., I think six out of the seven years or whatever, he was there, they made the playoffs or maybe five out of the seven,

but play high-level basketball the entire time. So he brings that into the locker room. And in addition to they got those wings, they got great. They got really young guards. And I think they're going to do things the right way. So if there was a sleeper in the east, it's Washington for me. Now, could they be six? Could they be eight?

whatever, you know, a couple games off would dictate that. But, you know, staying healthy, I think there'll be the surprise league this year. Absolutely. Brit, do you look at Wimby? Wimby has an opportunity to sign a supermax contract. 303 million. He takes

$250 million. Don't do this to me. And you hear a lot of agents. Don't do this to me, man. I know, but see, I know how you feeling, but the thing is that second apron. And we hear Brad Stevenson saying, that's why we, you know, we had to move on from Jalen Brown. I don't, whatever the case may be.

But I thought winning was the most important. And if we're going to win, okay, we have to go to the first apron, the second apron, hell, if we got to get an apron, and your mama's apron, man, for all that money. Listen, here's the thing. I think, I think there's certain decisions that can be made by certain people. And, you know, if you know Wembe, if you know his representation, both Jeremy and Boone,

I think he's one of those guys that can actually do it and justify it down there in San Antonio for different reasons. But I do think that may, I don't know if it sets a trend, but it depends on your situation and it depends on what's important to you. The way I look at things has always been, you guys aren't going to play forever.

I don't know if you're going to play five years, seven years, 10 years, 14. And at some point, you know, your value doesn't stay, consistent or doesn't increase, most people's value decreased, especially after the year five or six, sometimes seven. And I think that's one of those things that is very misleading for the fans and

for people that watch our sport and watch athletes, they think, oh, they make money and they make that level of money all the time. No. The other thing, too, is athletes have to make their most important decisions at their youngest age. See, you guys just like, unlike executives, we keep getting bites at the apple.

You know, you can go and do something else. You know, you can reposition yourself. I woke over here for this corporate company. Now I go over here and, you know, the mistakes I made at 35, now I'm making my money at 45, and then I really hit at 55. You guys don't get that.

That hardwood don't give. That grid iron don't give. That ice rink don't give. That baseball diamond don't get. You can't put, And, you know, you can't play forever. And so you say, well, you can make it up, not really. And the other thing is, well, most people can't.

And the other thing is, you know, when you, I always say the more years you play in college, just take those years at your highest earning potential and knock it off your career earnings. And so it's tough, right? And so I don't necessarily recommend things, but also I don't represent everybody. But if my client is in a position to where he can do that, like right now, LJ's not making it about the money. He's not making it about the money. We didn't sit back and tell nobody to hold nothing to do, you know, there was conversations. But at the end of the day, you know people got to do what they need to do.

But it's not about that. And so that actually makes a decision harder because as you guys as former athletes, When have you ever made a decision that wasn't about the money as an athlete? Right. That always trumps your decision because you can say, man, you know what? I really like that team over there, but they got a dollar. This team over here offering 10. Hey, I got to go get this $10.

Just because of the position, I don't know how long I'm going to be able to get that team. Is that what makes it so difficult for you? It's because everybody seemed to have the damn same amount of money. Well, here's the thing. When you remove the money, now you actually actually, have clarity. You never seen an athlete be in this position.

Where have you ever seen an athlete being this position? Where he can sit there and say, oh, don't worry about the money. How? I've never seen it. I don't know. I've been around a long time.

It's my 25th season. It's his 24? I count 25. I don't know. I've never seen that before. And so, but that's not the only thing that makes it difficult.

There's a number of things that makes it difficult. Obviously, being in year 24, you're not in 12. over 14. And so you really have to evaluate things a lot differently. And, and, you know, look, we've never going to be rushed to do anything. And we damn sure don't care about when nobody has to say or think. Not at this point. We don't work too hard to get here now. We can't be worried about that. I think it's more so just, you know, when the man's ready to make his

decision, he makes a decision. But I say all that to say, when you're talking about from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, on leadership with his group of people. And you know that Spurs organization, man, they, you know, they are first class. And, you know, I think, I don't know how much, I don't see how much was like a $30 million dollar difference or whatever the case may be, $50 million difference over five. So that's 10, Texas, eight. Yeah, you know, it's real money.

But heck, everybody's situation is different. Right situation is different. what about the criticism rich they say you're an active agent and you have a pod and you're speaking on you don't only just speak on things that that might impact you and your clients but potentially speaking on things that impact other clients and other agents and other teams what do you what do you say to everybody speaking on everything huh what i'm saying everybody's speaking on everything what i say is you know i'm not turning down an opportunity to influence the youth to give the youth confidence that they can do anything because guess what while all these people are the main ones talking they're also the main ones wasn't going to ever give somebody that look like me to come from what I come from the lack there of a higher education opportunity so why should I care what they have to say when I'm continued to just look at the blaze that's being trailed don't don't worry about what I'm saying just just look at the blaze

that's being trailed and the opportunities that's giving yeah I have 230 229 including myself, 30, young people that work. You know, when I, when I first started my business, nobody believed not how hard it was for me to get an opportunity. Not many meetings I had to be to drive runs I had to make and be turned down. And so I think it's not necessarily what's being said is the package that the words is coming in. You know, it's me. And I understand that.

And that's okay. but just because it hadn't been done before, it don't mean it ain't the right thing to do. And look, there is a responsibility that comes with things, and I know that, but if you really listen and don't focus on the clipping, even early on this year, I just gave a scenario based upon what my colleague was saying,

and I gave a scenario breaking down what could be. And if you, if you dissect it, what was this, what was salt actor a bid? All I said is if it was me, the way I look at it, because as you know, this is what I do. I do this every day all day, evaluate talent. And it's not just, people say, oh, you're just an agent. Well, actually, that's not true. I'm actually the CEO of the company that happens to be an agent. And so, you know, trying to put somebody in a box is the worst thing, especially for me.

I mean, it's just tough to put me in a box because, you know, I know how hard it is. And once somebody turn that water, that faucet off, and you go there and you try to turn that faucet on, there's no more water. You still thirst, you got to drink. So you got to create other pipelines, you know, because you know how this thing goes. And so I don't get discouraged. No, discourage me has killed more people than guns. And, you know, I just can't, I can't focus there, man. It's just too tough focus, especially when I know how hard it is to get an opportunity.

And, you know, players have podcasts. You know, the moment that it distracts of getting away of my day job, then that's a different story. But it doesn't at all. You know, I haven't missed the beat. We're growing and we having a lot of fun. And, you know, again, they talked about Jesus, man. so I don't consider it.

I don't take myself too serious. Hello. Would you leave, would you leave your current role to become, to run a team, say like a Rob, like a Leon Rose? Would that something you would consider?

No, not right now. Not right now. We're rolling, huh? Do you see the draft? Hey, hey, hey, hey, speaking of the draft, I mean, you got one of my favorite players to watch.

I watched them at high school. Uh, uh, uh, uh, Will. Hey, hey, hey, I've been random raving to Arkin Ocho about how nice he is. And I thought he showed great flashing college,

obviously him getting hurt. But when you think about it, Rich, that he made seven threes in college, bro. He went seven, four, 11 other night. Yeah. From three. And they talk about, oh, man, he reminds me a KG. He reminds me a KG.

Hell, I seen a lot of KD the other night. Yeah, you know what I? I think, I've always said it. I thought he had the most upside in the entire draft. And just a tremendous kid, a great family. And he's serious about his approach. He's serious about his profession. When you see the post-game interview, you had 35.

He's like, yeah, but we lost. Focus on that. We lost. And then he talked about how he was emotional going into the game. And, you know, being vulnerable and being able to state that, hey, I was emotional. I actually cried. because this is my first time playing since I got hurt. The game means that much to me.

That's not an act. Yeah. I'm just letting you know. That's not an act. That is very authentic and true to the core. And, you know, we had, you know, Caleb and Co-Apeat and Brain Burry, just an unbelievable draft class this year, man. And, you know, just unbelievable young men and family still.

That's the thing. And so, you know, when you talk about going to do something else, else, you know, obviously, you know, people talk about that and there's been rumors and, you know, every competitive agent meeting they tell families, oh, Rich, going to run a team and things like that, I think that's part of the game. But the reality of it is, no, you know, I've booked a real, see, it's a difference between building the business and building the book of business. I built a business. And so it's not that easy to go away from. And I don't even want to do that. But it's not that easy to go away from. I enjoy what I do, getting up every day. I'm in that office every day if I'm not on the golf course, obviously. And, you know, I think it's, I'll say this. I'm honored when people say that because, as you guys know, I come a long way, man. But at the same time, I really enjoy what I do.

The moment I stop enjoying it, I won't do it. But right now, I really enjoy what I do. I have great clients, have great families. we built a tremendous business that stretches far beyond representation. And, you know, every day I get up, I'm still thinking of how to get better. I'm still trying to perfect my craft, man, and find different ways of processing and, you know, different verticals. That's not representation adjacent. I'm learning a lot every day.

And so, you know, you learn from young people. Get a lot of young people around you. These kids are smart, man, very smart. So I'm learning a lot. So, no, not right now, man. Not right now. I'm still a young man. You know what you're trying to,

why are you trying to get me out of the game? Hey, you were there? I had trying to get you out of the game. You with me or the, okay, okay. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Rick. Go ahead, Ocho, go ahead. No, I got, I got a question. With everything you accomplished,

being a CEO, building a business, if you didn't go this route, Yeah. If you did put it as well, hell, if I didn't play football and football didn't work out, I wanted to be a marine biologist. I want to be a veterinarian because I love animals and I love killer whales. Yeah. What would you put up in your other route if you didn't get in the way it did? That's a good question.

You know, I was always a people's person, Ocho, you know that. Hell, me and you became, Fran. I ain't played football. Wasn't ever in the bank was blocking room or nothing. You just had a like it for me, you know? And same way with me and Joe. You know, that's a good question. Look, again, I threw so many things at the wall hoping one stick, man.

And then obviously, you know, I think people get it misconstrued when I talk about my journey and people try to make it that I'm as if I'm not appreciative of the opportunity at LeBron forgave me. I would tremendously appreciative so much show. that I couldn't wait to do what I've been able to do and not be dependent up. Because I think when an athlete give you an opportunity as a friend, as a brother, as a cousin, distant cousin, you know, whatever the case may be,

that's not something that you should rest on. You know, that's not to, you know, to make a bed. That's more of like a pallet, you know. And it's just one of those boosters. But then I think the, most respect that we can show you guys is to go on and build something. And then you can look back and say, hey, man, you know what? I'm, I'm with that.

You know, and I try to, and I say that to all the young guys that surround my clients, I tell them, you know, it's on you. There's no way that you should be sleep when your guy go to practice and come back from practice. There's no way. There's no way them cars should be on E or not wash. just no way the cleaners shouldn't be there. The Amazon boxes shouldn't be by them doors,

that garage door, that front door, that snow removal should be on time, you know, that refrigerator, them cleaning crews, all of that because it's, it's just a proper way of doing things. And as you know, I try to get a game and as best as I can, man. I'm extremely appreciative of the opportunity that was given to me. But at the same time, I know I, I, I knew I couldn't lean on that, you know, and the last thing I ever wanted to do was be that guy in the section.

And then when it's all over, then people ain't picking up your phone calls. You know, when you, I had to build something. They're not picking up your call. They don't care who you used to hang around with. You know, that don't mean nothing. That's not going to pay the bills. And so I try to express that as best as possible because, you know, I've seen a lot, man. I've seen a whole lot, a whole lot, had to deal with a whole lot.

And so I don't know, Ocho, I probably would have been in the music, probably in music or fashion, you know, music or fashion. I could, I could, you know, vice president of global, global marketing at one of these shoe companies or, you know, a manager, music manager. I can manage talent all day long. I'm an NR, too, now. I can pick a lot of records and find writers and get songs made and find the producers and do it. You know, I had a record deal at 25, 24 years old. What you could be? Man, come on, man.

Listen. You could sing? I didn't pick singles. I didn't done it all, uh, uh, Ocho. That's just what, again, that's just me. Well, we know you can pick a single. No, no, no, no. I pick singles.

Come on. There you go. Oh, singles. Okay. Oh, no, no, no. I said, I think. Oh, my man, my man. Damn.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad you said that, man. You know, LeBron. LeBron, you know, he threw your layup. And, you know, I sing, too. So I can see you my demo.

Hey, listen. Ocho, I don't know about no layup. May have been the past. I had to make the layup myself. Right, right, right, right. I don't know about no layup. You know, I've been trying to get in the music industry for a little minute. You know, I can sing, man.

I can sing you my demo. This is what we need to do for you. Because one thing about you, you got it. You're a star. I know you're a star. Listen, we got to surround you with the right writers. Yeah. We got to get you the right reference. We're going to have to put that auto tone on you, though, man,

because I know you, we got to put that auto tune on you, oh, Joe. But we're going to do all the other stuff, the theatrics, man. Right. We got to get to, we got to, we got to. Nah, you're going to might need to put auto zones. That doesn't need these car parts. Hey, um, come on. Hey, um, I could, I could, I'm, I can, I'm, I can, I'm, I can, I'm, I can, I'm, I can, I'm, I'm, I can, I'm, I can't invite you to my show when I perform.

No, let me ask you, boy to the show. Rich, let me ask you, I'm going to get you out on this. Rich, you know what, being in this business, like you say, quarter century, and you've had, you've seen some players have some up and down, you're right well with LeBron in 2011. Darren Fox had a very similar situation this year. Had, had, you know, he didn't play his best ball. We know Darren Fox is an all-star.

He's a phenomenal talent. What was some of the things that you relayed to him, that you talked to him about after the series was over? Yeah, I've talked to him a lot. Series over during the series, you know, after game and things like, that, you know, anytime you play a sport, you got to have short memory. You got to have short memory. I think people, it's hard to place a one season on a not-so-use series.

I think we've all seen that from the best of athletes. You know, you don't look like yourself for a series for whatever reason. Shots not falling, don't have your same quickness or your shift or the timing is off or anything like that. And sometimes it just, you know, you said that black table, black tape, that blackjack table long enough, you don't get a bad shoot, maybe one or two of them. You know, you just got to say, you got to weather the storm, you know,

a new edition made, made the best song ever, can you stand in the rain? So I think it's, I think during that time, we was just having conversation about short memory, keeping the confidence, you know, understanding that social media is,

especially with all the things that's going on with gambling and things like that now, I think the comments and things like that is out of control when it comes to things like that. So you have to block those things out. But also do other things. Having, you know, not being on scoring don't mean you can't affect the game in different

way. So just trying to keep anytime in that situation, you're just trying to keep guys positive. But at the same time, there's a balancing act. Like, you can talk about it, but then you can't talk too much about it, right? Because at the end of the day,

you don't want to be drowned out. And when I say you, I'm saying the athlete don't want to be drowned out with it. You got to, you got to, you got to, yeah, get there, go by the house, had a conversation, have a little meal. You may have five, six conversations, and we need a conversation within that conversation about it. And then you move on. But Deer is a professional. I have no doubt that he'll have a good year this year.

We don't make excuses. And so, you know, you got to have. have accountability in situations like that. And he said it himself, you know. Obviously, you know, he needed to do a better job. And I think given the opportunity the next time, he will. Yeah. Appreciate that, man.

Hey, Rich, thanks for stopping by me. Yeah, no problem. I know I've been trying to get on. Hey, tell LeBron, tell, hey, tell, go, when you want to have that big reveal, we take me on nightcap, club, Shea, Shee, you know, whatever. You know, y'all, y'all get on me, man. I don't, listen, I don't know anything.

I know just as much as y'all. No, you know. Hey, hey, hey, typically, typically I hit him, Rich, I hit him in the DM. He'd hit me right back. Hell, I hit him.

I said, Hey, man, I said, I need you to come on nightcap, but I still ain't hearing from. Typically, he hit me right back. Didn't he tell you he was going to do this?

He said, I thought y'all was going to do the show. Well, he's going to do it now. But I thought, I don't know, I thought he had a conversation a while back. Hey,

his face card good anytime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He got interest to the club. He got interest to the club any time. I watch the show, man. I just, I enjoy the show. And, you know, y'all are my guys, man. So I said, I've been trying to come on and it's tough. So this happened to be the right time. I hit Ash.

I said, y'all, I hit you. I said, y'all on. You said, yeah. You said, yeah, I'm on. So I appreciate, appreciate you guys having me on, man. Enjoy the rest of the show. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Tell the wife we said. I will do. When she performed again, is she touring anytime? soon? Not to my knowledge. Yeah, not to my knowledge. Make your hell up up. Get out of my part, man, to my not my knowledge. I got blinders on

man, you know. One thing for sure, I'm like this. They don't know nothing about that, Rich. They don't know how I like that. The Kentucky Derby all he said to finish line, man. I don't know who on the map or who was right. I'm just like this. Joe,

Denver Wolf's head coach Chris Finch, put the league on notice saying Anthony Edwards, will be a cold-blooded score with the addition of lamello ball. He's engaged in a way like I've not seen, and I think there's a combination of factors. Obviously, the excitement of playing along lamello. I think it's also maturation and recognizing what the team needs, where the team's at.

He'll be far more like, I think I've just engaged in the overall sport. He's looking, he's watching. He maybe didn't have the confidence to express some of his thoughts before, and now he's just way more community, and it's fun. Hey, can we see Ant Man seriously end the discussion as an MVP? You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello.

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Obviously, health plays a big fan. actor Uncle Ocho, but when you look at LaMello ball and, man, their games complement one another. Lamello is so unselfish. He made guys around him better. He has a natural feel, a natural great feel for the game. Like, when you watch a cat play, bro, like, it ain't necessarily about him coming out,

scoring 30, 40 points a night. It's his natural feel of the game, knowing how to pass, win the pass. You know, seeing plays happen before they really even happen. And Lamello is like that, bro. He, hell, if I ain't mistaken, Uncle Ocho, I think he led the league as far as usage rate, making guys around them better.

It's some stat I've seen. But I think he's definitely going to make the game a lot easier for Ant Man offensively because he knows and understands. Listen, okay, boom, this is our horse. I definitely got to get him going. I got to get him at least eight to ten easy points to where he don't even have to fight and work hard. You know what I mean?

And then it's going to be nice. Well, he's probably going to have 14. 15 damn assists. But then there are going to be some other nights where he's going to have an efficient 22, 25 points. He'll lead him in school. You know what I mean?

I just feel like they compliment one another and it's going to be so fun to watch because they're both so electric, box office and can play, bro. They both got something to prove. Lamello going to have a chip on this shoulder. You know what I mean? This is going to be good for the game.

And you look at it, Joe. He's got a guy, not only can he facilitate. Now, he's going to be the best score that he's played with since can't. and he's playing with a guy that's a little more flamboyant as far as passing the ball than Mike Conley.

He can score better than Mike Conley. They're kind of saying Mike Conley can facilitate, but Mike Conley wasn't the score that LeMello is. And nobody said, so now you got him and you got McDaniels coming on into his own. So now you just can't gang up on Ant Man. You've got to pay these other guys some attention.

And so it's going to be very, very interesting to watch. I can't wait to see him go at it. Because Ant Man is so fun to watch. I've never see the guy because normally most guys be taking the series. They don't really, Ant Man will engage with fans on the sideline. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, oh, hey, I got to work out. I'll be big like you. I said, I don't know about that. And he said, oh, no, no, no, this is a lot of not

eating and a lot of working out. Hey, hey, hey, hey, it's good that he know his body because, you know, some of us know. You know, we know, but we can't afford no. bad week or two hell. We've been to picked up 10. Hey, but I think Minnesota, okay, Ocho, I think they're going to lean heavily

on McDaniel really making a huge jump, you know, this upcoming season because they're going to be perimeter dominant and they're going to need guys to really be able to score points and be effective on both hands of the court and they got a number of cats who can do that, bro.

So do you right on... They got offensive firepower. You look at the solo, you look at Shannon, You look at Lamello, you look at Ant. Like you said, if McDaniels take that next step offensively, they got four or five guys that we know on a given, well, we know Ant Man can get 30, 40. But the other guys, and we've seen Mello get 40, but those other guys can get you a solid 20.

Easy. Yeah. Easy. And so now we got, you got your anchor with Rudy. Rudy's going to be Rudy. Just give me a double, double, Rudy. Anything over eight points, we'll graciously accept. But we need you to be somewhere around 11, 12, 13,

rebounds a game. Around two, three block shots a game with some intimidation factor. Even though you don't block it, you alter it so much, they're not even close to making it. Absolutely. Ant man is going to be Ant man. I'm counting on him being that. But I agree with you, Joe.

I think they're going to be a very fun team. You know, they moved on from Drew Randall. They felt like he was clogging it up and wasn't this is me. Nobody's told me this, but like, I don't really think he ever really fit with what they were trying to do, Joe?

Right, right. I understand. You know, I think what happened, especially in the playoffs, they tried to play through Randall, and it just didn't work. You know, obviously, Ant Man was hurt. He was hobbled. Hell, he even came off the bench the first, I think, game or two. Yes.

It just didn't happen for him. You're right. The games don't complement each other because he's just not a – he can catch and shoot and make a three, but he ain't no damn catching shoot three. You know what I mean? Like, he kind of got a playthrough. in order for him to be effective. You know what I mean?

You got to drop him to the ball in the mid-post and let him work a little bit. You know what I mean? And it's kind of like force-feeding. So I just think they're really thinking back, you know, obviously with them getting rid of cat and him going to win a title, hell, man. Hey, hey, things happen, bro.

Move on. You know what I mean? I think the thing also, Ocho and Joe, is that because Julius Randall is not a great passer, he doesn't do a great job of passing when the double team comes. and he doesn't have a signature move. So now he's got to take 15 dribbles just to get within a couple of feet of the basket

to try to pull his way to the basket are up and under you. So why are you doing all that? I'm just standing around watching, Joe. Hey, Joe, I'm like this. What are you going to do for me now? Come on now. Shoot it to me.

I'm ready. Hey. Like, well, damn. He's like a dump truck, a sanitation truck. Beep, beep, be, be... What, damn, Joe! Hey, you're right. Now you pass me the ball with four seconds

and wonder why I rushed up a shot. Now you killing my shooting percentage because you rushed me a shot. You gave me the ball 30 feet out. Hey, okay, Ocho, the most underrated attribute a cat can have in basketball is being able to pass the damn ball. Right.

Man, I'm talking about that's the most underrated attribute because if you got a guy who can really pass, especially your bigs, man, they can make the game a lot easier for everybody. But if you got somebody, man, who can't pass, it's hard, bro. It makes a game a lot harder. You know what I mean? So I understand what I'm saying, you know, as far as Drew Randall not being a great passer,

man, you got to have, if your bigs can pass the ball, man, your offense can run real smooth, bro. Why you think Yokic is so dominant? Oh, man. Why do you think Yok is so dominant? He can pass his ass off. Yes. Like a damn point guard.

Yes. Yes. Yes. That's why. Biggs that can pass out of the double team. Now because guess what? I pass out of the double team. Akeem Elijah Juan.

He was passing a Kenny Smith jet and Vern. Man Max were getting wide open threes. Ory getting wide open look threes. Sam Casale getting wide open look threes. And now when you come to double team, I dump the dog down to Otis Thorpe. Yeah. Or I got Clyde slack knife into the basket.

Boom. So when you get a guy like that, Shaq with Kobe, you look at go look at Shaq. Now he's not a six. six, seven assists guy. But Shaq knew Kobe coming, slash and diving. He dumped it off to him.

Kobe dunk in the ball. Or he got Robert Orr. He got Rick Fox. He got fish knocking down three. So when you got guys like that, it's hard. You got the double shack. You ain't got no choice.

Yeah. Even though you know that got shooters out there. Look, yeah, that's a three-point shot. But Shaq going to dunk your big in the basket if you don't double it. Every time. Every time. And think about that.

You see what y'all just said, right? how Shaq is, how dominant Shaq is. Yes. And now think about that fire we got down there in Miami. Huh? No, no, no, no, no. They're going to ever be another one. I'm not saying he is Shaq.

I'm just saying with teams, they're going to have to double team him. And we got the king coming over there, too, right? We got the king coming over there where he's had to carry the crown, carry the team on the shoulder. Stay with me, Joe. Let me finish that. All right. He had to carry the weight of the weight.

shoulders, all this career. Now he wanted to sit back, kick back, and relax, and let everybody else do the heavy lifting. Guess where he could do that, Joe? Where he can do that at, Joe? Well, he could do that down and day count it, boy. Hey, Ocho.

Ocho. O'Donis, you really don't have to double Yonis. You just got to build that damn wall and build a wall. Yeah, I'm not done because he don't have a signature move, Ojo, Ocho. He ain't got like a middy. He ain't got no turnaround. I'll give him that all day. I just got to keep him

I got to keep him out of the paint That's what you do. As long as I ain't let him do this A dunk in the ball on me You heard what you just said? Yes I got to keep him out the pain Who in the hell

has succeeded on keeping him out of the paint? Build that wall The team that beat his ass in the playoffs When I can just focus on him Well he by itself You can't just focus on him now Hey I'm just not going to let him get 30, 15 and 7 Well, bam will get 83

Okay, well let Bam give us 83 Yeah, yeah, yeah Hey, hey, real talk, though. Like, Yonnis getting the rebound, that's when he had his deadliest. When Yonis, when Yonis get the rebound, Ocho, I feel like he's at his deadliest because, you know, he can attack. It's a fast break right away. So what teams have to do is you have to build that wall, meaning you got to have at least, shit, two, three sets of eyes on him. And you're all in close proximity.

So he ain't got no lanes he can kind of get into and get in the teeth of your defense and calls all kind of, hell because once he do that you let him get in there hell now he nerf hoop dunking it spraying out for three it's just too many options you know what I think I think they're going to be a hell of a team I think they're going to be greedy defensively which is going to fuel their offense

yeah hey oh cho ohio real talk if y'all get LeBron well that thing ain't going to be turned up to the max over there boy you ain't got to tell me because you you understand in that expert analysis you just gave me?

Yeah. What you think LeBron thinking? LeBron, no. Where can I go? Why I don't have to shoulder the burden? What is going to be the easiest route for me, not to just play? Yeah, we heard Rich Paul say, oh, it's not about the money. Oh, it's not about getting the ring.

The hell you say, yes, it is. I want my best chances. I want to maximize the end of the road as much as I can. And this is the best fit. I understood that, which is why I've been saying everything I've said. How you think I knew Yonis was coming to Miami? What did I say on the show long time ago? Long time ago before anybody.

Oh, yeah. Yon's how he looking for houses? I mean, I ain't just thought that I'd just be throwing out there. And then we got the reports today, huh? You saw the reports about Clay? What? I saw that. Hey, listen, when I say something on here on nightcap,

I know y'all think I'd be lying. What you're saying, bro? And I don't even need your sources, because I'd be in the room with the people that's making the moves. What you're saying, bro? Huh? What you say?

You got really lucky because had Boston given that third year that Yonnis wanted Yonis would have been in Boston. But hey, you must have to do Boston wasn't going to give him that third year.

No, I know what I'm talking about, man. You know they won't go him that third year? But Joe, you said something very interesting before I was leaving. You say Yonis getting the ball on the defensive rebound and pushing it.

It's like a running back, Ocho. What we say about Derek Henry, we got to make him check his feet. Hey, you got to. If I let, if I just toss him, the ball and let him run and then come down hill,

I got to make him check his feet. I got to make, I got to stop the ball. I got to make Yonis pick up his dribble. Yeah. And I ain't talking about it the damn free throw line because it's too late. You let him pick up and dribble up with the free throw line. He had the basket.

He's dunking it. Or you're filing it. Hey, the best thing you could do, make him go east and west, Joe. Yes. I got to stop the ball. I got him. That goddamn Derek.

Hey, that goddamn Derek. Henry, Joe. Joe, he way about as much as you. He's 6-3. and he get ahead of steam, once he get past the line, I'm making a business decision. And now you can do it.

I'm going to tackle his shoe. That's it. I'm going to have his shoe. As a returner, we say, hey, the first guy down to the gunner, you got to throw. You got to make him, you just can't let him,

because when they just hit it on the move, yeah. It's too much. You got to make him check his feet. But I told Ocho, Ocho, when they first got there, what I told him do? I say, man, y'all put them in the offset.

He's not an offset back. He's not Jamir Gibbs. He's not Christian McCaffrey. Put that man heels in eight yards and toss him the damn bone. He's an old school back, huh? He's an old school eye back, Joe. Hey, he wants to be out there. And you can put a foolback in front of him,

and you can let the fullback slide to hell of you want to. But he wants you to hand it to him or toss it to him. But he can't do, he's not, he's too long. He's a long strider. So as a long strider, you put him in the offset, one step, two steps, he had to line. Yep. Hey, hey, but how you got...

He ain't shifted like Gilles. He ain't shifted like a Christian McCaffrey. No. He doesn't have shake like that, like a James Cook. Those guys can operate in an offset position. But not him. He's too big. Hey.

But how... How's he that big, though, with that type of breakaway speed? Because it's like, once he get through that, if he can get through that, it's like ain't no damn catching him. No, no, no. He's strong. He threw that head back like we did back in the country. You know that head back?

It's over. If we ever throw that head back. He's strong, Joe. Oh, yeah. Damn. I'm not talking about this strong. I'm talking about when he running. He's in that open field.

Yeah. He's strong, boy. See, people missed on him. He went in the second round because of his style. You got to look at the Ocho Joe in Ocho. Yeah. He had the most yard. He has the most rush yards in high school football history.

He broke Ken Hall's record of Sugar Land, Texas. Damn. That's still for like 50 years. He broke that record. Now he goes to Alabama. He's not there long, but look at the carries. And he had what we call an upright running style, which is a big target. He's a big man providing you a big target to hit.

So everybody says, ain't no way he's going to be able to last long. He's got 2,000, 3,000 carriers in high school. He's got another 2,000 carries in college. And so he might, at best, got four, five years. And here you're if I'm not mistaken, going to year 10 and go year 11. and have a chance to be the all-time leading Russia. He has a chance, outside chance, to catch Emmett Smith and Lidane and Thomas

as far as touchdowns from a running back. So he surprised a lot of people because of his running style is not conducive for someone because he's the guy that runs to contact. He's a collision back. Hey, if you notice, now, if he had in the open and he see you go, because I got to tackle him low, Ocho. I ain't been hitting me this damn chest.

You are, oh, absolutely not. And get right. I'm going low, Joe. Hey, hey, I noticed that this year, too, this past season because he dealt with them damn fumbles because guys, hey, that guys were like, damn, taking this contact. I'm going to strip this damn ball.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And now I put that in the back of his mind, so now he can't run aggressively as he normally would because he's thinking about securing the football. You're at your best when you're just free. Ocho is just running his ride. He's running that speed out.

Ocho, that left foot going to hit at 10. He's going to throw it to, he's going to roll. Hey, he knows. When he comes out of that break, one, two, that ball, hey, wow, he already know. I'm hit at 10, I'm going to roll to 12. Hey, when that right foot hit on that dig route and I'm on the right side, I'm driving back down here. I already know that. But I can't be thinking about it because what happens is it soles doubt.

You have a couple of drops. Now all of a sudden you apprehensive. You try to body, you try to bite. You ain't fluid. You're trying to body catch it, Joe. Yeah. You're running with the football. You're like, you got both hands around it.

You can't, you can't, how you juke in somebody like that? You need to have the ball. Ah. So they put doubt in his mind because they had those fumbles last year, special against Buffalo. Hey, remember what I said on the show, Unk? He funned it because he got them water on his arms. Oh, those sleeves?

No, sleeves. Next game, sleeves was gone, Joe. Yeah. You got to be able to feel that ball on your skin. When you wear them long sleeves, Joe, like the hoopas well? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't feel the ball.

You've got to be able to feel that ball. Yeah. Somebody punched it the right way. You got to have that skin to leather on. You got to have that skin to leather contact. But I like, considering that Minnesota has not Denver out a couple of years of the playoffs. And with really just aunt. Now, Jay McDaniels has been out of his mind.

I don't know what it is about the Nuggets, Joe. And then they found something in Desamo. They found something in those guys, but I don't know what it is about the Nuggets that he loves playing against the Nuggets. And he gives Murray a fit. Hey, that's why he plays well. Let me tell you something.

When you got a guy who's known for defense and he can score, he's a pretty good offensive guy too, see him having the guard Murray, it fuels his offense because, you know, you play good defense, you ain't good spirits, so you play in the right way, boom, that ball. find you, you know, now you're able to make plays offensively, but defensively he's so

engaged that, you know, it kind of fuels his offense and kind of gets him going to the point to where he, damn, me, he looks so good against the nuggets. I'm like, I don't think the Nuggets want to see the Timberwood no damn more. He's like, I need to see I need to see the Nuggets about 40-50 games. I'm a all-star against him for show.

But that's just, that's how it rolls out. It is. I'm anxious to see Ant-Man. He is, he is You know, he's a pleasure to watch. Because at the end of the day, I don't give a damn to sport. It's still about entertainment, Ocho. Yeah.

You go to a sporting event to what? To be entertained. Yeah. Yeah. Let's mention, of course, if Jordan just laid the ball up, would you going to be just entertained? It was that tongue hanging out, and he's fine with it. Yeah.

Yeah. It was Magic Johnson doing this. Yeah. Yeah. That part. Yeah. That's why Biggs It's hard to resonate with Biggs

Unless you like Shaq breaking down the backboards Everybody's talking about The most unstoppable shot That's ever been created in basketball Is what? The hook. That's Sky Hook. Sky Hook.

And don't nobody get Cream created. Man, ain't nobody want to see that. Ain't nobody even practicing there no more. Ain't nobody practicing. Of all the things, you see people do the finger, the finger roll, George Gerber, the Doc Fanger Roll. You see them hanging.

they even tried to copy Steph Curry shooting the ball from distance. A no one player has ever. What the last time you seen somebody throw a hook shot from 18 feet like, like Corrie? Hey, that's a hard-ass shot though, Uncle, Ocho. I ain't going to lie to you. That's probably why they don't want to do

it, Uncle. It would take long to perfect something like that too. Carey said, how long you thought he took him to work on that? He said, you make it seem like he just came in the league and he's been working on his whole career. Oh, yeah. And so, and that's the thing. Jordan is not Jordan if he wasn't entertaining.

He understood the entertainment value of it. Right, yeah. When he started flying through there, dunking on everybody. With spraying his legs, huh? You already know how the logo going to stop playing. The jump man. Yeah.

I mean, he dunking on everybody in the game. And when he came out with that tongue hanging out, I said, man, you're going to bite your damn tongue on. I'm surprised he didn't have any issues. We got somebody hit him out there or hit him while his tongue was out. What kind of issue? Well, if the Knicks didn't do it and the heat didn't do it and the pistons, where nobody else going to do it because they were the most physical.

Hey, but don't sleep on the Boston Celtics now. People don't, people don't look at, because they look at McKale and they look at Parrish and they look at Byr and don't think they were physical. But shh. They had a super team. Everybody, all of them have, the Lakers and the Celtics have a super team. But super teams are okay, Joe, if you build it. That's what I, that's what I learned to notice.

Man. As long as you build it. But you do realize the Celtics did not draft Robert Parrish. They traded him for Joe Barrett Cowell in the right to the number one pick. So they trade, that's how they got Kevin McKell and Robert Parrish. Yeah. They didn't draft Dennis Johnson. They didn't draft Nate Archibald.

A lot of the players that they got, they didn't draft. But that's okay. That was before you back there. And look at the Lakers. They didn't draft Kareen. They drafted Magic. They didn't draft Bob McAdoo. But look, if I like you, I'll make excuses.

You know what I say, don't show. I like what you do. If I don't, I don't give a damn what you do. You can find a cure for cancer. Screw you. You ain't cured diabetes. Oh, man. You found a cure for cancer, but you ain't cured diabetes.

What are you going to do about that, Joe? Come on. If you're so good at medicine, you know how I go. But no, I think this is, Ant Man. I'm trying to say, the close he's going to come is to the Lakers or the Clippers. I got to go see him. I got to hit him. Hey, T. Lou, I know you watch it because you watch all the time.

I'm going to come see Ant Man play. When they go play the Clippers? Yeah. I think I want what I will. I'm going to hear his ass up. Yeah. Minnesota gonna be fun to watch this year, okay, Ojo.

Hell yeah. Absolutely. They're gonna be fun to watch. They still gonna, I still think they're gonna be a top, they're gonna be a top five team in the east. I mean, West. Top five.

Sure. Yeah. For sure. And if they stay healthy, they might be top four. Good be. Good be. If you can stay healthy.

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This is Sweet 305. Listen to Sweet 305 with Lele Pons as part of my Culturea Podcast Network on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dream the other day, and he reached out to Max. to Maxy and he talked to VJ, but I don't think he hasn't spoken to and B yet. And you know, they had their thing in past years, you know, personal, you know, thing going on. Now they're teammates. And I don't think there's been a conversation between the two, at least not to my knowledge. I haven't heard anything on it. So that's not a good sign because when you go into a new

team and when you go into a team that this is the MVP, like you've been the MVP for this team. Now I'm coming to join your team and we haven't had a conversation. That's that. I don't like it. I don't like that. You know what I mean? Because we all trying to, we're getting out to a fresh start. Joel, you're getting off to a fresher start, right? And now you add in another MVP along with the young boys that you have. To make things easier for you.

To make things easier for you. And there hasn't been any communication as far as my knowledge. Joe, this is your level of, go ahead, Ocho. Hey, Joe, I know you probably, I'm from a football sense, you know, when new players are coming in, especially on new receivers, they're the veterans coming from other teams, especially when it's the off season. I don't put too much into it as far as the communication goes. Obviously, most of the players are off right now. They're traveling there with families. I wouldn't put too much into it, Joe.

And Unk, maybe you guys may feel different about it, even though a conversation needs to be had. Listen, welcome to the team, maybe something like that. I think something a little bit more formal in person, you know, you guys see each other, but just saying, hey, welcome to the team as far as right now, especially why everyone's out doing their own thing, is, eh, it's, it's, if I hear from you, it's okay. If I don't, I see when it's time to play ball and it matters most. But, Joe, you might feel different. I kind of agree with you, Ocho.

I feel like, you know, if they did have anything, you know, riff-rap between each other, that's water under the bridge now fellas maybe i have said some things and i still believe them to be true but hell we're on the same team now is it water under the bridge yeah i mean man i mean i mean dolly hero thought it was water under the bridge too he said that months ago yeah yeah yeah but but what i'm doing hey hey but what i'm saying listen we're on the same team now i may have said something about you flopping cool you still do i still think you're a hell of a player but now that i'm here Listen, man, let's come together, man. I ain't tripping.

Maybe they have talks since that interview. But I'm like, Ocho, uncle, I don't really put a whole lot of stock into that, bro. I just feel like M.B. knows what J.B. stands for. You know what type of shape he's going to be in. You know the mindset he's going to come with. You're going to have to match their energy, partner, if y'all trying to do something in the Eastern Conference.

What is standard protocol? I'm not talking about the eighth man on the bench. I'm talking about a bona fide, a finals MVP, an Eastern Conference MVP, an all-N-B-A selection, a multiple, multiple, multiple-time All-Star. What is standard protocol of a guy that caliber going to a team and the best player from said team, or one of the best players from said team,

what is normal protocol? Is it normal standard operating? A, standard operating procedure, SOP. What is standard, Joe? Yeah, no, no, no. I ain't going to say it act like it ain't normal. Now, normally if you get a guy that caliber now, If you get a guy that caliber, the first thing, you know, you hit him, hey, bro, welcome to the squad.

Boom, we're about to make some shake. You feel me? We got to be on the same page. We're going to get together here soon. I know you're going through blah, this, blah, blah, that. But, yeah, it should have been already handled. But he talked to the young guns already, huh? Yeah.

Maybe. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. When you went to, when you went to New England, did Tom reach out to you? Yes or no. No, I saw him once I got to the stadium because he didn't have, he didn't have. didn't have my number. Okay. Yeah. Well, hell, he could have got that. He could, I mean, Belichick had it, so he could have got that.

Yeah, me and Bill, you know, me and Bill had a relationship long before I got there. Right. So me and Bill, me and Bill was really close. And another thing, would have been B, it's still upset, and then B swing on Jaylon Brown when you get there. Hey, chill, bro. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

this ain't what Hooson came to. You know what I mean? Listen, we had a little mishap. See, one thing about it, a lack of communication, can lead to a real misunderstanding, fellas. You know me? And that's what we can go over this. Yo, whoa, whoa, Joe, you ain't just gonna throw that at that like that.

Let me write that down, what? I'll go ahead, take your time. Take it time. I'm running back for the people who ain't here. I'm gonna run it back. I'm gonna run it back. I'm gonna run it back. I got you there in my next argument.

I'm gonna run it back. A lack of communication can lead to a misunderstanding, man. That's how it was. But, hey, hey, bam just had to get some straightening. Just get a little straightening. Yeah. You see what I'm saying, Ocho?

Hey, y'all see how Joe's circle back on that? We hadn't nothing left Bam and Tyler Hero long ago. Now, I could look, look, look, I kind of, I kind of, I kind of feel Bam in a sense. You know what I mean? It's like, Ocho been doing all that talking about me and think when he sees me, it's that going to be kick, kick, key, hi, ha, ha, yeah. Yeah, wow. Hey, Bam, say, hey, Bam say, Taylater hero, guitar hero, hey, Hogan's hero.

Pop, five. One, two, three, four, five. Yeah. Yeah. Take that with you. And this is a Tile, Tali Hero, man, that's my dog, man, that's my homeboy. I'm sure there was a misunderstanding. He said some things that he probably thought one going to get out publicly.

Of course. He screenshot it from the DM. Somebody tweeted that he did that in the DM. Somebody screenshot it and sent it out. I'm sure. I'm not sure if he tried to apologize, knowing Tiley Hero, the way I do. I'm sure he tried to apologize and probably BAM really wasn't going for it. And one thing led to another.

I hope cooler heads have prevailed now. and they probably talked it, talked it out. And I'm sure Tyler Hero apologized. And Bairn probably did the same thing. Listen, you move forward. We move forward and we play ball. Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey.

That would be something that would be better ask of John, because I know that when they brought players to the team, I wouldn't call anybody. Hey, no, really. Look, I've always had two phones. And you ain't getting the main line. That was for kids, you know, that was for very, very,

select group of people. That being said, like I said, Joe, that would be something that you would have, I mean, because quarterbacks, I'm sure you could hear, I've already talked, you know, when Joe Burrow or you hear Patrick home, they already say, I've already talked to Patrick or I've already talked to Joe, I've already talked to Trave,

I've already talked to this guy. So I just wanted to know what was standard operating procedure because that's not something that I've been in. When we bring in players, you bring, hey, I'll see you when I get to a mini camp or training camp or something at that level. So that's why I'm asking you guys because I've never, me personally, I've never

bringing in, I mean, I really, you never brought anybody I really knew. And at that point in time, it's kind of like today, guys, I understand, I'm a position friend. We're friends because of the position I'm in. You're my friend because of the position you're in. The days of you got somebody, Ocho, that you grew up with in high school, Joe, you grew up with in high school in college. We're what we call positional friends now. We're friends because of the position.

that we're in. See, let's not make it more complicated than what it is. We're teammates now, Joe. We're teammates now, Ocho. Yeah. Let's not lose sight of that, okay? So they don't know. Hey, that's my dog.

Hey, what a dog? Hey, I'm glad to say that, too. I'm just because your teammates, Uncle Joe, you don't have to like each other. No. You're not there for a relationship. You're dead to win a championship or to do everything you can to win a championship. And everyone has to pull their own weight.

That's all it is. Now, if we happen to be friends and build a relationship because we happen to be on the same, team? Yes. All for it. That's fine and dandy. And to answer your question, now that I think about it,

remember, I got traded to the Patriots real late, right before the season started. So Tom didn't have time to call me, because when they got traded, I had to be in New England in 24 hours. Hey, hey, hey, Tom won't call you, no damn way. You fall in line. You get these damn orders.

I'm throwing the balls. Don't worry about it. Yeah, he was, he wasn't. He was calling you, you know, damn way. Hey, Joe, let me tell you something. When you get to New York, you're going to fall in line, too, because I'm a game.

Damn. Hey, man, look you're bad. Joe, I mean, Joe might have a change of heart and bring his girl. Don't beat him up in front. Come on, come on. You got a cheer. You got, you got, I'm just saying, man. You got to cheer.

You got to chill. You might be on to something because in order for him to go to Houston, I think he had to bring her here. So you know how it is when you want to go somewhere. You want to do nice things. You want to do nice things for your girl. So you let you go. Hey, hey, hey, hey, K, hey, K, Ocho, you see what I get. We got?

We got an official. show. Okay. Hey, chat, chat, y'all see, we can't even have a civil show no more. Hey, matter of fact, we might want to get that laminated so they can't get that. Okay, no problem. No problem whatsoever. It's a lemonade. We always try to be, we try to do things official.

We don't ever, won't think anything as shade tree or it's rigged. You know what I'm saying? I mean, hey, this is an official document. I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see how in the hell we go from Jalen Brown to my permission's left. That's why I'm trying to see. That ain't no good safety. It all coincides.

Well, listen, listen, listen, listen. Back to the Jalen Brown thing. Yes. I think what's understood really don't have to be explained, honestly, fellas. Meaning, in B, I think he knows everything revolves around him. Obviously, they still. No, I don't know. I don't think that's the case no more, Joe.

Yeah, I'm saying when I say revolve around him, I'm meaning playing the right way. because he can't be. Okay, yes, okay, I see what you say. He can't be no ballstopper. When I say fall in line, meaning like, man, look, he's going to get 20 points because he's that damn good. You know what I mean? Yes.

But can you get in the floor of the game and not be a ball stopper to where it gets all these other peribremen guys, you know, out of sync? You know, we want to continue that chemistry and continuity that they kind of got going. We don't want to pull the reins back. We want to continue to let them attack offensively hell J.B. M&M. and Maxley, both average 29 a game. past yes y'all don't think they're trying to build on that now listen i i understand that they all have to sacrifice a little bit i just don't want to see that wow helter-skelter as basketball no rhyme or reason your turn my turn type i don't want to see that man i want to see these guys

being syncing joel play the right way and make the game easy for everybody around and that's what i want to see but i also think joe you know what happens a lot of times they overpassed the ball because everybody wants to show that they're sacrificing and everybody wants to show just how unselfish they are. And they're not, they're like, I'm, I'm going to show everybody. They're, bro, take the shot. We're not saying, we're not saying take of the obvious. We're not saying do the, you know, do the obvious right thing.

But I think sometimes they overpass the ball because they're trying to show, you go out of their way to show that we're just, we're so unselfish. I ain't got no problem with him. I ain't got no problem. And you're not playing really good basketball. I still believe that you play fundamentally sound basketball. And guys know when, when to do. the right thing and when it's not the right thing.

That's just me personally. But I really wanted to see what you thought about this because this is your level. And like I said, normally it's probably the quarterbacks that normally reach out. Because for the most part, that's generally the guy that's looked at as the CEO. Now, it had been very interesting. Probably, I mean, if you went to when Sequan was with the Giants and they had some quarterbacks in, maybe they reached out today. But maybe it was Sequan or maybe it was Jetta.

You know what I'm saying? And maybe it was something like that. But I know, you know, when guys go to Kansas City, they would always say Patrick, they talk to Patrick or they talk to Trav. And so I was always interested to see because I was, even though I was one of the leaders on the team, I was, you know, I was busy.

I was working out, hey. And even like, Joe, did you, did you take guys when you were in college and they brought guys in? Did you take them around campus? Did you take them on, show them on the official visit? No, I wouldn't have got on. I was, I'm gonna tell you outside. When I was not, it wasn't that I was too quiet, man, I'd be too locked in.

And I, I'm just not the typical guy when it comes to like showing guys a good time and all that. Man, I ain't the dude for that. You're me? Yeah. Hey, that ain't me. Cause, boy, on my visit, I know they cut up. Damn, Joe, you didn't participate? No, man, I wouldn't, you know, I wasn't partaking in that, okay.

Hey, look, let me tell y'all something, man. Before I went to college, I had a real plan. I can't be here no longer than two years, bro. No longer than two years, I got to get my ass out of here. Yeah. Hey, it wasn't no NIL back then. August if I had got a few million, you know, I could have brought mom to college with me.

She could have been cooking it out with me. Yeah, yeah, she could have got a place right close by. It was just going to be a little pit stop here. It's a little pissed out. We're going to go on, you know, get back on the road. Yeah. Oh, Joe, did you show people around? Would you?

Where? At Oregon State. Well, you hell, you just got there. I never would. I was. Hey, Joe, I was in school for two weeks. Hey, it's that.

I went to one class. I went to my finance, two class. I went to my finance class, Joe, and you know I love theater and drama. Hey, hey. I ain't going to nothing else. You did, you did. Just enough to get by, huh?

I did just enough that I know I'm going to use later on in life. You know, I'm dramatic. I love theater, plays, you know, stuff like that, and finance, you know I ain't when to come to my finances, but I don't play. Yeah, yeah. That's how I was. I mean, look, I did it.

Well, like I said, I showed Ben Colts around one time, and I told him he shouldn't come there because they moved me to tight end, and he won't be on the bench. You told, oh, it was a guy in the same position as you. Yeah, Ben Coats, that played with New England, that went to the Pro Bowl, that me and he scored a pro, yeah.

He was from South Carolina. He ended up going to Livingston. But he came to visit Savannah State. I was his host. So I, hey, when I, that was the only, that was the first and the last time. So I was like, man, I didn't know what position you play. I was a wide receiver. Yeah.

So, you know, and coach, like a lot of times, the top, offensive players that were coming in, skill position players, coach would have me, and I would only did it one time. So I guess he thought enough of coach that, okay, coach, I'd do it. I said, my man, what position you play? He's like, man, I'm a tight end. I said, oh, okay. I say,

I mean, what you're trying to do? He's like, man, you know, it'll be big for me to start my freshman year. I say,

don't come here. He said, why? I said, because they're moving me to tight end and you can't beat me out. I was just honest. And guess what,

Joe? The next year, I was an All-American. Conference player of the year, offensive player of the year, all-conference, and Black College All-American. So what do you think the chance

was he's going to beat me out. Hey, you kept it 100 with him, man. He went to Livingston, had a great career, got drafted by New England, and him and I used to go to the Pro Bowl every year. If you were in the AFC from like 93 to 98, you weren't going to the Pro Bowl. Not over me and him.

Y'all had a sold-up. The only question was who was going to start, he or I. But you could, no, hell not. But I was honest with him. Yeah. Coach Davis said, God-down home, I can't let you take nobody else out. We ain't going to get nobody.

I'm just And then if I'm a wire receiver I'm taking you on a recruiting visit But it got to the point Coach said You're going to be the slot receiver We already got our two receivers It was me and Squirrel

We came in together So I was two, he was three Yeah Coach, hey I'm an All-American Then the next year I come back I'm conference I'm offensive player of the year

I'm first team all conference I'm again Black College All-American I was the only sophomore on the black college all-American team. Right. All the black coaches, we were in Greenboro, North Carolina,

anybody that knows, the Sheridan College, but share the network, they have a black college all-American just for HBCU players. Yeah. My coach, Coach Davis, coach from Grambling,

Robinson, coach from Jackson State, W.C. Gordon, coach Willie Jeffers, all those coaches from Gunsling, Archie Coole, cooley. They sitting around.

Now, everybody else is juniors because guess what? They got the Black College All-Star game. So they're practicing. All the coaches come in. I'm already there because I'm a sophomore. I can't practice with them because I'm not leaving college. And everybody was talking about these guy. Oh, man, Harvey Reed, who was running back. He was

Player of the Year, Black College Player of the Year. They talk about all these guys, Vincent Brown. They call him the Undertaker. Mississippi Valley. He said, man, this joker here going to be good. Coach Davis said, look here, I don't mean to cut you all off. He said, but I got the bad end here. And he's a sophomore.

He said, I tell you what, in five years, he'd be the bad. He's going to be the bad. Whatever he played, he's going to be the baddest one. All y'all good. I'm sure all these guys good. He said, but I got the baddest end here right now, and he's a sophomore. He ain't lie. Hey, hey, you still talk to some of the players that played with you at Savannah State.

Yeah. Bucket, Ben Bucket playing. together. What about Squirrel? I'm talking about Squirrel. I see Squirrel. I see. When I go back, Squirrel, we got what we call the 86 class. 86 is the best recruiting class in Savannah State history. Me, Squirrel, Big Daddy, Rough House, Dane, Yard, a couple of the guys

are past. Now, Dame is past, Yard is past. Coup, but we were the baddest, we were the baddest class. BMW, Mike Wallace. Yeah, we still, we still keeping communication. And what I go back, which is not often, we get, hey, call 86. And when we see each other, we just start hollas 86, and we know who that is 86. Yeah. We on the yard, they already know 86 is in the house. 86 in the house. Are y'all, and y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all should be cut up on the yard in your man. Huh? I already know it. I already know it. But look, for the most part,

I don't know, maybe at North Carolina, Kentucky, the basketball teams, because those are basketball schools, Arkansas probably is a basketball school. But if you go to a football school, let you. I'm just trying to figure out how anything can even come close. Come close. At Alabama, at Ohio State, at Michigan, at Penn State, Notre Dame. What is even close to the football team, guys? Georgia.

No, no, no. Arkansas Football School, you're right. No, no. Boy, hey. Hey. Oh, yeah, but we, yeah, we still, we, uh, we plan, as a matter of fact, we plan, it's just so hard because everybody still is in Atlanta and, uh, in Savannah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Ocho. And so they talk, they talk all the time.

And a lot of times when they have homecoming, their FaceTime meet. That's the only time I let them FaceTime. They're like, man, hey, Sean, what's going on? Man, you need to beat out here. Nah, not with y'all drunk ass. I don't need to be down there. But no, it's, it's, it's always great. hearing from the guys. I invited

Big Daddy, Squirrel, Pope, and Bucket. They came to the Hall of Fame. As a matter of fact, I paid for those guys to come. In Ruff House, he asked Bucket to say, man, tell you you shop I want to come. I said, bro, if he paid for his way, I got him a

ticket into the game. So, I mean, to the ceremony. So he paid for his own way because, like I said, he's a part of that 86 class, and we were like this here. Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously, guys, we fought against I didn't fight, but you know, we knuckle up. But boy, ain't nothing come between us.

Against us, against everybody else. Yeah, we're going to fight. Yeah. Hey, dabbing up and be okay tomorrow. Don't you try that. Don't you try that at that in the yard now. Hey, hey, hey, I can imagine the stories of the boys got before. Hey.

Huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's so funny. No, no, Joe, I was like that. Whoa, Joe.

Like, Joe, Joe, I went to school, you know what I'm saying? I got to get a degree. I got to get a pot of here, man. Porter's living for two reasons. Hey, that don't mean you ain't freaking because you got to do all that. Hey, I only had four years to be there. I couldn't be there freaking freaking would have kept me there next year or two. No, no, no, no, you know.

I'm going to get out regardless because back then, well, I don't know if they do it now. Man, Black College ain't got no money to be red shirt and nobody. You got to get a potty there. You got four years. You come out and you come in there at 18. I mean, 17, you get not at 21. You coming at 18, you're getting out of 22. Ain't no red shirt.

Even if you hurt yourself, you're getting up out of there. You just got a year-cut show. Hey, Joe, every time, you know, when Uncle and I first started and sometimes he'll tell stories about, you know, some of the things that happened at the HBCU, we had some really good stories, man. We first started the show. And, man, that just got me thinking, man,

obviously I didn't have the opportunity because I was a knucklehead and I took such a long route, you know, in the school system. And my love and my dream was to always attend Florida A&M University. Yeah. Just to hear I'm talking about the ASB-U experience in general. And being able to see my daughter cross their preview, A&M. And Joe, it experienced the atmosphere, Joe.

Yeah. Like I had to talk about my daughter crossing over. Joe, I was in tears, Joe. Yeah. Joe, I'm talking about in tears. And the atmosphere, it was unbelievable. And I was only there for two hours. So I could just imagine being able to have that experience for four.

year straight. If that small simercides, can't be emotional joke, I ain't even close. Ain't nothing like Rush. You see them go over to see the A.K.A. The deltons or, you know, obviously the Fives, the FRAPS, the Q, the Capas, the Sigma, the Alphas.

Hold on. They had all that what Ocho was at, didn't it? Yeah, but it ain't nothing like like the HBCU. Not the pageantry. I know, no, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Yeah. Homecoming, Joe, that buzz, that atmosphere, that student center is buzzing. Everybody's starting to file, you know, the alumni start filing in on start coming in late Monday, Friday by Friday, everybody there. They up on the yard.

They talk, hey, Shaw, what's, hey, what you got for, Shaw? Oh, you already know, I'm going to put it down for you now. Yeah. You came back to see O'Shea do it? Yeah. I got you. I got you. I'm going to do what I do.

Hey, Joe, I had the opportunity to go with my daughter singing. I had the opportunity to go to Preview Homecoming Her senior year. Joe, I ain't never seen nothing like it, Joe. Yeah. I ain't never seen nothing like it. And every time Family had their homecoming, you know what, I got to work.

I'm always working on that Saturday. I've never had the opportunity to go. It's amazing. And that's what I tell people. If you went to a PWI, every black that's gone to a PWA, you should have to spend one semester at the HBC,

you and you wanted to be the fall. You wanted to be the fall because in the fall, you're going to get a little bit of everything. You're going to get all the football season and you're going to get a couple of basketball game. Yeah. You know, we got our football team,

we were called the suit coat, the suit coat crew. So we come in there, all football players, we have a suit coat on. Yeah. And we got a roll of toilet paper. As soon as our team score, we throw the toilet paper on the floor. They have to stop the game.

They started controlling text on the joke. Yeah. And so now the player, They're getting high. Hey, Sean, you're all coming. We got you. We got you. Just, hey, don't matter.

We go first or not. As soon as we go, about 40 rolls of toilet paper. Now, you're going to mess up the dorm because, hey, we only had so much toilet paper. In there, we have a steel toilet paper from the student center. But that's all right. But the team, we had a great chemistry. We had a great foundation. We got along for the most part because Peacock, basketball, football, and a few baseball players,

but mainly it was football and basketball players that stayed in Peacock. Most of the baseball players stayed down there at Boston. But we were close. We were close. Oh, man, I wish I had the opportunity to get that experience, but. Yeah. Ain't nothing like it. College of college.

Hey, college was fun, bro. Yeah. Damn. I'm just glad I went when I went. Yeah. I couldn't, I couldn't, Joe. We couldn't Joe. Well, you could, Joe.

Ocho and I couldn't make it in social media era Not in college Oh Not in college No No Not me Yeah

Not me But you gotta realize Joe I had a brother In the NFL My junior senior year Yeah you're gonna be cutting up You're gonna be cutting up Bro I had a 300 ZX

With T-Tops I got a Mercedes My senior had a Mercedes A 300E Big body Yeah Boy ain't passing up no who hi.

He got, he, yeah, I already know it. And you know, you know, you know, and you know, hey, I had to hire him a hostage negotiator to talk him down. He'd be up about five or six hours, I had to talk him down. Hey, hey, this, you've done all you can do, Mr. Sharp, you can come on your,

hey, you can ease down now. Hey, you got a chill, you got a chill. Man, hey, I had a hostage negotiator to talk him down, and Savannah PD, hey, he asked about me. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe, what's wrong with your man, bro?

He got to hear it. Listen. But let me tell you how bad I had it, right? I wanted to never had the opportunity. Went to Oregon State. Obviously, a great time. It was a short four-month stint for me at Oregon State. But I love, I love FAMU so much.

Joe, and I was a knucklehead in school. Joe, I graduated high school late. I didn't apply myself. Smart, but I didn't apply myself. Yeah. I love FAMU so much even after I made it to the NFL. You know how I had them about music. I love the band.

I always been a fan of the band. From 2002 to 2008, I'm not sure how many people in the chat, went to fam you or maybe played in the band, but I'm sure you heard the stories. Every off-season, I did my training in Tallahassee, just so I could see band camp. Joe, just so I can see band camp.

Man, Dr. White, I'm not, Dr. White's not there anymore. Right now, the band director is Dr. Shelby Chipman. Hey, Joe, every off-season, I'm in Tallahassee. At bed, I go train in the morning and sit there and watch band camp. Oh, yeah. Did you ever play instrument? Yeah, yeah, you know, I play piano and alto saxophone.

Yeah. Okay. I'm talking about love and just, I couldn't go there. So that gave me my sense of peace. Yeah, yeah. It's being able to see band camp during the all season and get my training done in the morning and go watch them boys, man. That's a, yeah, because by the time you got there,

because when I came out, Prop 48 had just been instituted. The year I graduated because of what happened at the University of Georgia. So that made it work. That made it so everybody was up under you had to make at least 700. Or you had to sit out your freshman year. So the only place I really could go was D2 at HBCU. So that's why I ended up going to Savannah State because I was one of the top recruits coming out. But my grades, like I tell people all the time, Joe, I couldn't have got in prison with my grades.

I ain't fit to hold nobody. I haven't been to hold nobody. I'm not, I'm like I am now that of acquiring knowledge and wanted to learn, I had no interest in that when I was in high school. Because you have to understand, I was so much better than everybody else in my school. Yeah. I was so much better of a basketball player, so much better as a football player, especially my senior year.

It was close my junior year, my junior year. we had a guy to end up going to Georgia Tech named Afonzo Thomas. He probably was the best player. I probably was the second best player. My senior wasn't even no question. Basketball, I was best player. Track, I was the best. I was the best at what I did.

So, hey, I ain't seen no read. Hey, hey, they can't. Do no schoolwork. They came from being out there in them fields. Hey, the chat, the chat making fun of me, talking about, I laugh so much. Hey, I like so much.

But the, hey, chat. Do me a favor. Those that think I'm lying, look at my Instagram. Look at my picture that's on my Instagram. That, that, that, that, that, that, that, you should look, look at my picture that's my Instagram. What you call it, huh? Your bio.

Your bio, yeah. Yeah, your bio pick. Yeah, look at my biopic. What about it? I mean, because they talk about, oh, I'm lying by my family, my love for family, you and the band. A home world cup only happens once in a lifetime, and we are not missing a second. Castle 1021. On the 1021 podcast, me and the crew break down every match like it's personal,

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