Club Shay Shay - Best of NBA Part 1: Pistons v Hornets BRAWL fallout, Doc's HOF DELUSION

Episode Date: February 15, 2026

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Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho crack. Ocho, Joe, this is right up your alley. Sean's released a suspension for the Pistons Hornets fights. Isaiah Stewart, seven games, Mile Bridges, four games, Diabate, four games,

Jalen Durdon, two games. I'm going to let you go first, but I am shocked that Isaiah Stewart only got seven games. Go ahead, Joe. Yeah, they was very generous with Stewart because he's a repeat offender. Okay, Ocho, he's known for, you know, having violent acts on the court, bro. This ain't what we're trying to endorse. You know what I mean? Plus, he came off the bench.

So I expected him to get the, I expected him to get the most, but I expected him to, I thought he was going to get more than seven games, me and myself. And it just kind of escalated. I thought I knew Miles Bridges was going to get a nice, you know, a few games. What's the young kid name right here? Masa? Yeah, Masa. Diabate.

I feel like, you know, honestly, Uncle Ocho, I wouldn't have been mad if Duran didn't get no game suspended because, you know, he wasn't an attitude, bro. But he clawed the man, hey, Joe, he put the man to the barren. By Rasky. That's, hey, that man, he in my personal space. He's the headbutted me. We didn't touch, forehead to forehead.

Yeah, that's too much. I'm gonna get your look, ya. Y'all mean. You're gonna mush to me. What are you both to do? See, yeah, uh, you can look, look, hey, cause now, you subject. Put that bow over his heel on him.

You, who, who, with that copo, but. Yeah, you subject, yeah, that what I'm saying, you're subject is to get headbutted out there playing. So you gotta always protect yourself. But I thought Stu was gonna get I thought he'd get my, I thought given his history, I thought he'd probably get somewhere between 10 and 15. Yeah, I said at least 10.

That's what I was thinking, at least 10. At least 10. You know what I was disappointed in? I was disappointed in hearing some of the people that cover the NBA talk about, they didn't have a problem with this until you get a situation like malice in the palace in the palace. Well, it wasn't going to be that. You don't know. You didn't think the malice in the palace in the palace was going to be that.

You didn't think Kerman Washington's situation was going to be that. Guys, this is not a good look for the league. This is why they got away from all that in the 80s and 90. David Stern went playing this. He's okay, you want to fight? Okay, don't worry about it. Now, if you really want to fight, join the military because they're looking for a few good men and women.

Yeah. But you're not going to do that here. Yeah. It's a bad look on the game. And to say, I don't have a problem with this. And this, no, no, no, no. And Stu, Stu, B. That's not what they brought you to Detroit.

for I understand I understand look the bad boy pistons and y'all want to relive what Isaiah and John Sally and Mahorn and lamb bear and all those Rodman but that's a different time that was yeah David Stern cleaned that up he said nah in order for us to get to where we need to be because all that fighting Joe you were going to be getting a 40 and 50 and 60 million dollars a year contracts not with all that what? What? No, no no I'm with you I'm with you on uh uh you know, Stu,

Dick Stewart, he's the muscle over there. So I felt, you know, he probably felt he had to come to their defense. But, man, you got to have, you got to control your emotion. You got to have control rage. You know what I mean? And too many times, you know, he didn't let his emotions get the best of them. So I knew that, I mean, right, for real, honestly, Uncle Ocho, this is really like a little slap on the wrist if you ask me.

Some games ain't nothing, man. Look, I honestly, I think the pistons are rally around this because I still think they're going to be, they're going to be right there to come out the east, man. I got, hey. But they're going to rally around this. I think, I think Stewart was an overreaction and Duncan Robinson was an underreaction

because I'm going to have a conversation with him. I say, bro, look here, you just grab somebody. Even if you fake, fake. Hey, hey, bro, hey, come on, man, come on. Hey, come on, Ocho, man. Come on, oh, man, let me go, man. Right. But for you to just walk away,

and we tussling? Yeah. Don't make me talk about you in the locker room now. You got, you got to make up your mind. No, no, no, no. Robinson, wait. But then you say you don't want them fight. I didn't say fight.

You can't. He can be a peacemaker. He said he's going to be a peacemaker. Come on, oh, Joe. Man, we try to do the cold over here. We, how many times we don't been on the field and we've done that? How many times and scrimmages, especially when you scrimmage other teams, and you know emotions are high,

Ain't no really basically just the camera ain't no fans and just the fans line in the thing you. Hey, come on, hey, man, come on Joe, man. What's wrong with you? Right. Man, it's too hard out of here to be exerting all this energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't saying swing on somebody, but I'm just saying, like I said, hey, well, come on, man, you know good well. Right.

And I mean, I feel you. I feel you. I mean, I think obviously suspensions were slap on the wrist, understanding that emotions are high, especially when you're competing, you know, at the highest level. level and I mean it it happens it happens the time and it doesn't happen often in NBA most of the time that the most we get is we see shoving outside of shoving you never see it come to blows like it did did that day and I mean it's a man listen I got a question Joe what's up NBA viewership might it was down a little

bit wasn't it I think I don't know what happened probably has been NBA viewership was it down a little bit well I think the thing is that might have something to do with, hell, you don't know where to find it. It might be on peacock. It might be on NBC. Right. It might be on EFPN.

It might be on Amazon. It's kind of hard. It's not centralized like it once was. I'll tell you what. You got to have these platforms to make money. Go ahead, don't Joe. Yeah, I'll tell you what, Uncle Joe.

What's that? You get a few more goddamn scuffles like this. I'm telling you, boy, you get a whole bunch of people tuning in now. Yeah. This is a whole lot of spot. You're jumping off, though. Right.

Hey, look, but this is why you see it. everywhere too though like they don't condone it but you know they gonna put it out there and bring eyes to it you know yeah oh yeah absolutely absolutely yeah you know people love drama okay it do it makes it it exciting it makes it say listen i'm i'm still trying to understand the unwritten rule when it comes to hockey you know i mean it's an unwritten rule i mean you you got to know they give each other a sign and listen they you know hockey has its enforcers NBA has its enforces most of the time they conduct themselves on the paint on the hardwood and it just i listen it just it just it just you know And the boy got to control their emotion, man.

That's all. Yeah, it is. I mean, like I said, man, look, hey, in basketball, that's that real money. I mean, you talk about seven games. I don't know what Stewart's making. But, hey, it's going to probably be like, probably be almost a million, if not more. Yeah. Yeah.

I ain't got time. Man, it's hot out there. I mean, I see them guys be tussling and training cab ocho. It's hot. And the first thing, Mike said, I guess I ain't practicing y'all harder. Come on, man. Damn. Now, you, I mean, you're about to tussle.

We already been out in this hot-asseter's 100 degrees. We already been out here, Joe and Ocho, you know, an hour. And he told my guess I ain't practicing y'all hard enough. Okay. Hey, you know what, hey, Joe, you notice. And the people watching the chat, y'all can have tested this too, because I'm sure you all see it. Every joint practice during training camp, there's always a fight.

You never notice that, Joe? Yeah, because look, Every training camp, it's always the fight in the joint practice, and it's always the goddamn lineman. Yeah. The lineman, they always going at it every time. Hey, you got all them dudes out there with their heat beating up on you, too. Yeah, it's going to be a few fights.

Because what happens, Ocho, you get, because ain't no official. Remember, there ain't a whole lot of officials, and they ain't throwing no flag. Yeah. They are there. Yeah. Okay, you get a good diamond. He got his hand in the guy's face, man.

He got a jacked up. You got the office in line with him jacked up. You don't got what somebody in hell somebody. somebody and the first day they do they turn around, bhaugh! Oh man. Yeah. Because you know in practice, they're going to let a lie to practice. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. And so

and that's the thing, you know, guys used to like, you try to break practice up, you get into it. Yeah. But they was like, uh-uh, no, all we're going to do is just stay out here longer. Oh, my goodness. Come on, guys. Damn. And like you say, Ocho, it's always the lineman. Always. Yeah.

Offensive defense line. And just somebody coming over the top with a boom. Hey, Neil Smith and I think it was Neil Smith and Kevin Goggin got it to it at the Provo. And the Provo. What about what? Neil say, if he, I taught, I thought, I thought to me about two years ago. Neil said, if I see it right now, Sharp, I'll fire on him. I said, come on, man.

You're 60. He probably. He probably 602. Hey, when they were arguing about it, the promo, that's a time for, that's a joyous occasion. No, it ain't. Hey, go back and look at,

man, Neal hitting that man so hard in the back of his head. I mean, Neil drunk, too. Fah! Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's, hey, it's some place. You'll never forget.

Oh. When, uh, when he said, and he made it too, he was like, oh, yeah, if I see it right now, I'll fire on him. I said, come on Neil, man, bro. You're 60.

Oh, you got no biddy fired on nobody. We didn't say that energy to get around, bro. But it might be on the internet, YouTube. Look up Neil Smith and Kevin Gogan at the Pro Bowl. Man, Ocho, Neil jumped so high, hit that man in the back of his damn head. It's in the middle of the game? Yeah, it was like a, uh, uh, yeah. Yeah, uh, uh, chat, y'all pull it up.

I know y'all can pull it up. Hey, he might, he must have been going too hard then. He must have been, he must have been, going for suspension will cost him $700,24,138. Miles Bridges. Suspension will cost him $689,665. And Jalen Duren, the suspension will cost him 89,0423.

And Masa will cost him 62,641. That, that, that, that, I'm not even, they mean the big money boy. Ohcho, this is what Draymond had to say. Draymond called NBA fans for complaining about the league assault while also wanting players to get suspended for fighting. Pick aside, guys. Man, we can't, you can't, it ain't even nowhere in basketball you can have that.

No, not that. Like, you know, some of these dudes ex out here, man, like, for real, they got to really control their emotions, bro. You can't be out of here. I mean, I can understand in the midst of competition, you know, things get a little heated. It may even be some pushing back and forth for you may bump into a guy, but come on now. Come on.

Yeah. Hey, those days are over. The last thing I want to do, I, I, oh Joe, if I swing somebody, I'm hitting him, he got a helmet on. I break my hand on his face mask. I break my hand on his helmet. Then what? I tear a ligament in my hand. Then what?

So who about help? Nobody? That's a good thing. That's a good thing. I ain't, no, man, I ain't gonna talk about when I was gonna work, now, man, now, man. So, who, with, I was able to control my emotion. With that big, hey, look, but I don't,

I don't understand that neither, Ocho, especially in football, cause guys be punching dudes in the helmet, and I'm like, what that, what is that? Why, you, hey, Joe, you gotta go open hands sometime. You gotta go like to the neck. Well, you got to the neck area, what you try to do is grab the face mask, live and come up under.

Yeah, hey, that, hey, Joe. And hope the chips straps, but these champ straps, they got not, Oh, Joe, you got these ones that they slide. They ain't like the snap phones like what we had. Yeah, they ain't gonna come on, yeah. Hey, Joe, that's how I was gonna do the raid, Joe. What?

I remember you, oh yeah, you're gonna get down. I remember you telling me that. Yeah, Joe, hey, Joe. They were waiting by the bus and everything, way. Joe, I were waiting on him at the locker room, boy. Joe, he got, he was gonna have to see me. He was gonna have to prove to me. Oh, he was gonna show you.

Oh, he was gonna have to show me, Joe. Joe, we prayed before the game, Joe. We went over the scripture. He prayed he didn't key. We went over the scripture. That's what he's praying for. And he had the nerve to hit me like that in the game. So we need to have a conversation.

Because I know the Lord ain't tell you to do that. You got to see me, Joe. Listen, when my helmet went flying, my helmet went flying by 15 y'all, Joe. I ran upon him and I had to think, wait a minute, this ain't the place for that. This ain't the place for that. So I looked at him. I said, I'm going to see you after the game. Hey, Joe.

Hey, Joe, I waited at the lock. I waited at the bus. Yeah. He probably would have got out on you on their field because you ain't had no helmet on. You probably would have swung on. He's a swung back on you. Right, right, right, right.

Right. Hey, listen, it was the grace of God say right that day, boy. Huh? Did you see what Miles Gad did to Mason Rudolph? Wah, wop! Hey, yeah. And you know what? And you know who lucky, you know who lucky to are?

I ain't seen in San Francisco. Miles lucky I ain't see him on Radio Road. Man, he in Italy with his girlfriend. Yeah, he went to support his girl. Hey, Joe, Miles, this sapsuckle, didn't give me that goddamn jersey, that 23-sack jersey. Man, I told you that. But he said he was going to get to me.

Well, he lied. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Miles Garrett, I know, I hope he see this. You're going to find out where they call me Hell of Hands. Okay. And, Joe, you know, you know they call me, Joe, they call me Hellahans, Joe. They like that?

Yeah, hey, Joe, it feels like you're fighting two people, boy. I'll tell you no lie. I'm trying to think, what that, 84? When the Raiders in Kansas City got into it. The whole team? Man, Sean Jones took that helmet off and was swinging it. Pull it up, Chad. I think it was, I think it was 84.

It might have been 84. It might have been a little later. The whole team are just two people. It was a bunch of people. But the Raiders in Kansas City, look. Raiders, Kansas City, and the Broncos, we don't like each other. Chargers, they just happen to be in the division.

Seahawks just happen to be in the division. But those three, because those were the original three. Yeah. Man. You had to be careful Ocho and Joe back then because they really tried to put you out the game. They would.

They tried to hurt you. Yeah, for real. Yeah. Yeah. And so once I knew that, so you don't care about me feeding my family, I get less of the damn about you feeding yours. So we both will be able to know we're upped up knees.

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Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. Doc Rivers believes he deserves to get into the Hall of Fame per Mark J. Spears. Joe, Doc in the last 15 seasons, zero championships, zero finals appearance, one conference. When did the guys start talking about the Hall of Fame, Joe? Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. It must. It's got to be the error we living in, Uncle Ocho, this social media error, because everything, you know, is magnified to the highest at this point. You know what I mean? You see people always talking about the Hall of Fame, and we all know how prestige it is to make it. And the fact that he's won a title, he's coached some greats. Yeah, he probably should have won a few more, but, you know, I think he's done a, you know, an okay. job. Now, he's had some teams that

we all felt that should have went to the finals. Like, this, Buck's team with Dane. Obviously, Dame getting hurt. You know, things happen. But I don't know, man. It is. I think he's going going to get in. I think you're going to get in.

Look, the basketball, because they factor in so much, they take it in college, they take an international play. Hell, they take it high school. I don't know, Joe. I don't know. I just. I just, I mean, you look at his resume outside of the Celtics. And his resume outside, let's just say for the sake of argument,

if you say, well, take his odds, if he had one, two, three championships with the Celtics, and you say, well, look at his, okay, well, you're right, he didn't do a whole lot in Orlando. He didn't do a whole lot in Philly. He didn't do anything with the clippers and he's not doing a whole lot with the buck. but he did get two or three championships with the Celtics. But he didn't get two or three championships with the Celtics. He's blown more three-one series leads than any coach in NBA history. If I'm not mistaken, he's lost more game sevens in NBA history.

I don't know, man. I don't know. Guess it just depends on what the committee feels on. Yeah, yeah. I just, I mean, I just, I just get uncomfortable with people. start talking about the Hall of Fame. That's something that once you're done, unfortunately there ain't nothing you can do.

Once you're done, a committee, panelists, whatever they call themselves, they're going to vote on that. But for you to talk about that now, to be advocating yourself. Yeah, man. That's because we ain't, we never, you don't never, you never see that, though.

You never see a guy still playing and, you know, him talking about him, herself or, you know, her talking about herself talking about the Hall of Fame. No. That's why I asked you out the other night. I'm like, man, I ain't never thought about that when I was playing for real. Like, I just wanted to go out and compete, enjoy the game, have fun with it, and, you know, put my talents on display.

But it was never to where I entered a game or a season thinking, oh, I need this to go right for me to make the Hall of Fame. Joe, as a seventh round, what business I got even thinking about the Hall of Fame? I was always trying to make a team. Yeah, trying to show you blog. Yeah. Seventh rounders don't make the Hall of Fame. Now, way, way back when they had 25, 30 rounds,

you know, you get a seventh rounder. But in the modern era, when you only had, you know, you had 12 rounds and then they cut it down to seven now, seventh rounders don't be making no Hall of Fame like that. Nah. So why was I even thinking about something like that? I'm just trying to, hey, if I could just stay on the roster. That's what it takes.

Hall of Fame. You got to just fight. Oh Joe, what round you went, Ojo? Second round, six picks and a second round, Joe. Oh, you were like that, huh? Huh? You were getting money up there. Hey, Joe, I got a little bad.

Oh, I got a little bad. So you were better to me coming out. Huh? You was better than me, huh? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm still better than you right now. Yeah, it's what I do. It's what I do, you know?

Hey, Joe, you got to, hey, Joe, I was a one-for-one. I bounced around. I didn't really get an opportunity to blossom at a Division I school, you know, for four years. So, I mean, I got lucky. My back was, my back was against the wall and it was a do-a-die moment. Either you get it together now with this one year or you're going to be right back in Liberty City, you know, doing anything. I don't know what I, but I maybe work for FedEx, be an Amazon driver. Hey, hey, that's the best thing.

Sometimes, you know, you may not know it because you're, you know, you may not know it, you in the moment. When you're back against the wall, that's when you're going to perform your best. You just don't know it. You don't have a child, Joe. I ain't had no more eligibility left, so I had no choice but to do it.

Okay, you know what? Let me try it my grandma wait this one time and see what happened. I'm going to go to class. I'm not going to skip. And I'm going to put football second. And Lord, behold, it got damn work.

You ought to go back to school and get a degree, Ocho. I'll be so proud of you. I am. I told you I'm going to be. going back to fam. I'm not sure how, I don't, um, I don't even know the steps to do it. You're going online? I, I, I want to, I want to be in school. Man, you know, your ass on line. Nobody wants to see your old ass decrepit ass with them

at 17, 18, 19 year olds. No, I'm, you know he got, you got. You ain't got the patient to sit there anyway. Yeah, why, Unk, I got pacers. I sit here and play video game for seven hours and seven hours a day. What about all them jobs you got? You're right. You're right. Hey, so, hey, hold on, Unk, should I, should I do it online? Yeah. I think I'm going to do that. But if I do it online and I graduate from FAM, can I at least walk? Can I walk?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Graduating online doesn't mean you don't get to walk in person. You don't graduate online. Right. Hey, um, hey, hey, hey, I'm going to do that, um, I'm going to do that, Joe. I'm going to do that.

Yeah. What's you thinking about majoring there? Probably, probably the best thing I'm at. I'm good at business. I mean, Joe, I'm good at business. And business and marketing. Marketing, that's, that's me there. Yeah, man, that's your grandkids go beat him out of school.

Hold on, my kids don't beat me out already. Three of them, they beat me out of college already. They got their diplomas. I ain't got mine, Joe. French fry going to beat you out. Hey, we got the show tomorrow? No. What about Saturday?

No, no. Saturday. No. Damn, I mean, French fry gonna be here. Okay, what about Sunday? Yeah. Okay, okay, French Friday gonna be here. My dog gonna get on here, man.

I got all my girls coming to the house. We're gonna celebrate. I mean, girls, you got a auto? Ooh. Yeah, six. You got the, I know you got a big going over that on you. Huh? French fry getting dropped off?

Yeah. You're at the dough. Bad, don't do that. Don't do that, don't do that, no, Joe. Oh no, man. Oh no. Hey, Joe at the dope. I'm Dylan Playfair.

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James Harden says loyalty is overrated. Let's take a listen to what James had to say. And the whole quote-unquote loyalty thing is, I think it's overrated. You know, I think this is a business at the end of the day and it's a lot of money involved and a lot of decisions that has to be made. You know what I mean? So, you know, like if a player isn't producing or if it, if it, If you don't see him in the future or, you know, front office, some of them have to do, like, a job and want to keep their job, you know, so they got to feel like they got to do its best for, you know, to keep their job and they trade players.

Or if a guy isn't happy and he wants to be traded to somewhere else, then it's a problem. It's just so many different dynamics that go into it. It's just a business at the end of the day. So, like, you know, not even just the NBA, but, like, people that have normal jobs have, you know, have those same problems. It's just not magnified, you know what I mean? So for me, it's always about, like, I don't know's focus of, you know, trying to compete for a championship and then financially, you know, making sure that my family is taken care of, you know what I mean? Because I'm very smart and I'm, and I'm, I've sacrificed a lot. You know what I mean?

Financially, like, which I don't get credit, I don't get credit, I don't get talked about, but I'm fulfilled and I'm happy with it, you know? But, like, winning a championship or at least having a chance to, and then financially getting paid for, you know, me being available and playing at the highest level for so long. So to answer your question, you know, this is a business at the end of the day. So I feel like players should, you know, ultimately do what's best for them. And front office does what's best for them and their owner and their organization. So, you know, it's two sides of a story. I kind of like that.

Not one lie was told. Hey, hey, Joe, you know how to have been this work, Unk? You've been in it? Joe, I've been in it, you know, and, I mean, loyalty. But they throw that a word around. especially when it's beneficial for them. We talk about ownership, you know. And if you're not planned well

or you're not mean you're not playing to the standards and with they see fit, what's the first thing they do? Well, we need to take a pay cut. Or you only even get the decision or the choice to take a pay cut, they'd let you go. Yeah, and they love screaming loyalty

when it's beneficial for them. And that's in the sports world. This same thing. Also goes into other aspects of life in general as well. You know, most of the time, everybody in goddamn loyal when it's beneficial. Yes. Easy.

When everything is going good, when things aren't going well, if you're a basketball player, you know, whether you're a football player, and it's not convenient for said team or owners, yeah, man, we can't do this, man. You know, loyalty's out the window. There is no reward for being loyal. You're right.

Loyalty and friendship should be made. when you're down. Because everybody's loyal and friendly when you're up. Come on. I ain't fit to get it in there. I'm not fit to get it. But I will tell you this. Don Sutton had a quote.

I think Don Sutton said this. Don Sutton said, I'm the most loyal man money can buy. Hey, hey. Hold on. I need to hear that one more time, what you said at the beginning. Not what Don Sutton said,

but the one you said, that was a ball. Lord. friendship should be measured when you're down because everybody loyal and friendly when you're up. Man. Hey, chat, we need to put that on the shirt. Chat, somebody tweet me that.

Some chat, somebody tweet me that I don't have a pin and pad in front of me. I'm putting that on the show. That's how it is. I mean, you find out who you find out who you are, but you'll also find out who your friends are. When you're down. Do you want to know who your friends are?

Let your car don't work. When you roll it on, Joe. Hey, man, Sharp's way through and pick your boy up. Yeah. Man, what else, you know, sharp, man, my car. All right, I'll holler. Well, hold it. Damn.

Okay. No problem. Yeah. Hey, hey. I think, hey, experience is the best teacher. It is, fellas. Then I think what James has experienced over the past, some of our years, whether it was in Philly

with Darrell Moore. He took a pay card. Yep. Obviously, the loyalty thing that he was talking about, Darrell. And then going back home, going to L.A., Uncle Ocho, I don't think he necessarily wanted to leave the Clippers, but I don't think they was willing to pay him

no money, neither. And what he's saying is, man, I'm still playing at this All-Star caliber level, and basically, he probably never come out and said, but basically saying that the clippers didn't want to pay me no money to keep me around so they just traded me. You know what I mean? And that's kind of what it is.

So he's right. It's not really no loyalty in this. Whatever they tell you, you know, this is a business, man. First and foremost, and the quicker you can get that, you know, through your head, bro, the bet off you'll be. So I totally understand everything you were saying. Yeah. Yeah.

It is. Yo, you hit the nail on the hell. Once you accept that, that you are a commodity. Yeah. It's just like, if you are on a farm, Ocho, you can't fall in love with those animals. No. You can't. Those pigs are going to go and chat, don't get upset.

Don't tell Pete on Ocho or that. But you know what you're going to do with those pigs. You know what you're going to do with those cattle. You know what happens to those chickens. So as, and that's what, hey, Coach Belichick knew in order for him to be able to do his job effectively, he couldn't get close. Because I might have to cut a player. I might have to trade a player. And the closer I am to said player, the more difficult it is,

and it will cloud my judgment. This is why they don't let higher ups deal with subordinates. It will cloud your judgment. Because you might have to make a decision where you have to send him or her into battle, into harm's weight. That's crazy. It's not as complicated. It's like your job.

Yeah. Your job, Lord, are you? long as you doing it. Yeah. Hey. I guarantee you, they fire people. You name a company and they fire people. Yeah.

For whatever reason, he didn't do the job. He or she didn't do the job. They came late, whatever the case may be. Yeah. Some people, hey, we heard some people been on job. Oh, he's been on this job for 30 years. He's been on the job for 40 years. Jokey never took a sick day.

But sports is a different animal. And you just sometimes you have to set emotions aside. You got to sit your, you have, leave your feelings at home. Yeah. Check your emotions. You got to. And if you do that, you'll be fine. You'll be fine.

It broke my heart that I found out the Bronx who was trying to trade me. I'm like, hold on, man. It's me. All these shots I don't took in my ankle. Yeah. All these needles out I'm put in my ass. Oh, yeah. Took in my shoulders.

Yeah. Hey, they don't care nothing about that. It's inevitable, Joe. When it's time to go, boy, it's time to go. But I think the hardest thing is because James is up in age, what is he on? 36. Probably 36. Yeah.

That sounds about right. 36, 37. You know, when you make it to those years in basketball, that's like, you know, they, it's like the cliff. You know, they don't really think you can really play no more, you know what I mean? So, but you got guys like Katie and LeBron who didn't exceed the eyes and now they make it look like, you know, you can play in your 40s. That ain't normal, guys. It's not. It's not.

It's not normal. And I think the thing is, what James saw, he's like, hold on. I'm playing at a high level than PG. And PG's you got four years two plus. And y'all won't get me two years at 80? I ain't nobody yet. No, no. He going to get that, Joe?

We all played the sport. So we, hey, secretly, we pocket watch. Man, hey, Joe, you see what that joker got? Man, he averaging 12 points a game. Oh, Joe, man, that joker called 50 balls last year. They gave you that joke of $20 million. Yeah. You think Joe, he going to get what he won't?

I'm not sure what he's trying to get. Is he trying to get a two, three-year deal? I'm sure he probably won a three-year deal. He going to get it, though. I think he wanted two. He wanted two years at four, what the reports say. Now, I don't know, he didn't say,

but the report's like he wanted two for 80. I think Cleveland had given that. I don't think they would have trade for him. If they wouldn't give up Darius Garland. They just brought James over that for the rest of the year. And then, yeah, and then get him out of that. They don't make no sense. So I think, I think they'll definitely pay him.

So I think they're paying. He'll get his money. But all James did would say the quiet part out loud. That's it. Yeah. I mean, you think about all the guys that spent one, I mean, think about the guys, all your greatest players, how many of them really actually stay with one team?

It doesn't happen often. It happens. You get Kobe. You get magic. You get a Dunkin. You get a dirt. You get a bird. But for the most part, for those five, you get Shaq, you get Karene, you get LeBron, you get KD.

You're going to have your step. Like I said, you're going to have outliers. But if you go back into the NFL, Joe Montana played for two teams. Peyton Manning, two teams. Tom Brady, two teams. Emmett Smith, two teams. Bruce Smith, two teams. Jerry Rice, several teams.

Time, several teams. Randy Moss, several teams. T.O., several teams. Warren Moon, several teams. You see how it's going? Every once in a while, you get outliers, you get an Aeronald, one team. You get a L-T, one team.

But for the most part... You don't come often. You get them a Reno or an L-Way, but a lot of times, man, you're going to have to move it on alone if you want to continue to play. Now, if you want to leave a couple of years earlier than you want to, just so you stay in one jersey, that's your choice. But if you feel still feel you can play at a high level and you want to keep playing, well, it might be a possibility.

It's not there. I'm sure all things being equal, you guys, Joe and Ocho, I guarantee you, Mr. Kraft would have preferred Tom Brady to retire. A patriot. But you don't think he wanted him to go to the- Hell now. Hell no. Why do you let that happen then?

Because he let Coach Belichick talk him into it. He did. He trusted Coach Belichick. Basically. And Coach Belichick, when he wanted to do it before, he made him get rid of Jimmy G. Well, right.

I remember that. Coach Belichick circled back. Yeah. Right. Say he's not the same player. He's falling off. Tom said, I'm going to show you. That's all a player needs.

That's all some players need is a little gas. I'm going to give him a little gas, boy, they go on. I'm going to fall off into another Super Bowl. Jalen Brown posted on IG 24, 25. The record was 39 and 16. They were the two seed going into the break. Now in 25, 26, they're 35 and 19. Two seed.

offensive rating, they were number four in offensive rating, now they're number two in offensive rating. They were fifth in defensive rating, this time, they're ninth in rating, net rating, they were third this year, they're third. Yeah, put them facts out down.

Hey, can I ask you a question, Joe? He said, he said, hey, one person tweeted says, bro, say he's better than JT. Hey, Joe, whoa, whoa, hey, now that we're at the halfway point and it's All-Star Break, what message is J. J.B. trying to send.

Outside of we've seen, he's improved. You know, he's playing extremely well, even with JT. not being in. But is there a reason for doing this? Or is he trying to send a message to the Celtics? No, he's sending a message to, I think, the people. Yes. I think for everybody who counted them out to start the season. Nobody had them coming out to ease.

Nobody had them in the top of the east. You know what I mean? And they've stayed afloat. And honestly, Ocho, he's in the MVP conversation. Rightfully so. He's been bawling, bro. He's been bawling. But they've had other guys who stepped up.

Payton Pritcher helped as well. Hauser. Yeah. Hey, the Celtics counted them out. They're the one that sold all those pieces. They're the one that let their help forfeit go. They traded Christopper's singles. They traded the holiday.

What you're talking about? We, the fan. No, y'all did that. Right. Yeah. They didn't think you were going to be as good as you are. But J.B., like you said, is averaging 28 points a game. Peyton Pritchett has been Peyton Pritcher,

Cole Houser. Though they've had Derek White has played phenomenal, they've had guys to step up. It's surprising that the Boston Celt is considering that J.T. went down and he was not expecting. Now, he may or may not come back this season.

But when you get rid of Horford, when you get rid of Holiday, when you get rid of Pizzingas, I don't think nobody thought they would be in the position that they're currently in. And he's just singing their praise and I don't have a problem with him doing that.

Yeah, I don't either. I don't either. But they've had a, other guys outside the guys that Unkev mentioned, they've had other guys come off their bench. Oh, Simon. Remember, Simons was playing well before they traded him. He's on his buying contract.

He had a stretch. He had a stretch he was playing well. It's kind of like plug and play, guys. It's like a great system. And guys just kind of go out there and do their thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's been fun to watch it.

They've been competing. He's talking about the fan. No, no, no, no, no. The Boston sell, you all, they didn't think y'all was going to be there. Because if they thought y'all was going to be that, they'd have kept them. pieces. Right.

But JA, J.B letting the critics know. He letting everybody know who was like, oh yeah, Boston ain't going to do X, Y, Z. Yeah, he let y'all know. We ain't far off from where we was at last shit. Like, we're really in the same way. So when you got two guys making $300 million, they damn show better keep best.

One go out, they better stay afloat. I'll break this issue up. Yeah. So they second in the- Hey, look. I'm going to say they second in the east right now at the break, right? Yeah. How far do you see him?

How far do you see him going? Especially without baseball. It's match. I think it's matchups me. I think, I think because if you get the wrong matchup in the first round, Yeah. Could be. Yeah, you could.

I'm serious, you could be. It's some teams. Look, I know we talk a lot of crap, and I don't know how long they can keep it up. But the Hornets, prior to the loss against the Pistons other night and the LaBraw, they had, and the Hornets had won, what? Yeah, yeah. They won't have eight, nine in the row. Yeah, absolutely.

Yep. If they end up, if they continue to keep playing well, let's say they do get into play in and do get the seventh or the AC, also, man, they can cause problem. They're a young team. I think Toronto can be a problem also. Toronto. Yeah, Toronto.

Hey, them teams gain confidence, bro. It'd be hard to shut them off in the playoffs when they're out there playing, just having fun, not really understanding the moment, just enjoying the game. Since J.B. let that hair go, he ain't painted no more. He been, hey, off to the races, any man. He free. He's going to get me a cough drop. Yeah, Jay, hey, J.B. looked good out there, man.

I'm sure they're going to try to give for this second half, make a good run. But it's sitting top-heavy in their east. Nicola. Nicola Topich made his NBA debut four months after battling. testicular cancer. The Serbian garb was a 12th pick in the 2024 NBA draft. He missed all of last season with a torn ACL. He suffered before the draft.

And then he received a testicular cancer diagnosis during the preseason. He had a procedure in October, then underwent chemo and worked his way back into shape. He entered Thursday night game against the Milwaukee Bucks late in the first quarter and received a loud ovation. That's really one of the blessings, Ocho. And Joe, you guys know this. is that playing a professional sports? Yes.

Because when you go get the physical, they find out everything. Every, every little. They find out if you got diabetes. They find out if you got cancer. They find out if you have, you know, certain ailments that probably, probably, a lot of times the general population,

it goes undetected until it's too late. So congratulations to the young man that he got treated. I mean, he's had a tough time of it. Terries his ACL. He battles his way back from that. And then coming back into the preseason, oh, yeah, by the way, you have testicular cancer. I've seen that, too, man. I've seen them getting a game.

I've seen them give them standing ovation. Man, that was dope to see, Archiellocho. I don't know about y'all, but, you know, my mother passed away 2019 from cancer. Yeah. So, you know, that's a, you know, that's a tough battle, bro. I watched her take this battle for probably over a decade. You know what I mean? Just going in and out of remission.

but, you know, when I hear about stories like this, bro, it was good to see that young man back out there. Glad he pulled through. My father died from it at 39 from cancer. He had two brothers that barely made it. One of them didn't make it to 50, and the other one was 50. So me and my brother has outlived my dad and my uncles tenfold.

Now, we do have the oldest one, Richard, is, I think, 91, 92. But so I'm on the other side, Joe. I go get, hey, oh, yeah, I don't met the deduct, but let me go. What I need, doc. Yeah. I get everything. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you know, we don't think, yeah, I think there's something to need to worry about. So go ahead. Yeah. Go on, hey, go on and send me to a specialist. It's covered. Yeah.

So, hey, they're like, well, you know, there's an abnormality going on. I said, what does that entail? They say, well, we can numb, we can numb your penis up and put a thing. I said, no, y'all going to put me to sleep, but y'all still put that scope down there. Let me see what's going on. Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, Uncle Joe, that's one thing about it. If it runs in your family, if it's hereditary, you know, and other people who've had it in the past, you got to go get check. And even if it doesn't, you know, especially for us fellas, man, when you hit a certain age, it's very important to continue to get those checkups, you know, to make sure you, to make sure you're okay, man, every six months. I mean, you mean, to a year, whatever. whatever it may be or whatever a doctor sees fit for you, especially if it runs in your family,

because it does get passed down, you know, through the generations, especially if you had others or uncles and aunts that have passed away from certain, certain, you know, cancers. So, I mean, it sucks. It sucks the fact that we made so much movement in certain areas when it comes to medicine and technology. but it doesn't seem we haven't been able to find a cure for some of these monsters out there. There ain't no money in the cure. The money's in the treatment.

If I cure you, how do I get more money from you if I cure you? Yeah. I need to treat you. So I need you to bring your ass back. Listen, I don't want to say that part. You know, the funny thing about it, Joe, it's funny, you know,

is we can find a way to do everything else. We can, hell, we can find a way to get to the goddamn moon. We have car, Joe, that can, drive themselves without us. And when it, when it comes to some of the, some of the simple formalities, when it comes to, to us as humans, I mean, what do you mean, we can't, we don't, we don't have, I mean, really? Yeah, we do.

I mean, you, listen, I can tell me. We wiped out polio. We wiped out smallpox. Come on. Now, you know, I know. B'Bone and plague? Hey, I, if they really, if they really. But to your point, Ocho, yeah.

People that look like you, men that look like me, you and Joe. Because normally God had to come to the foot of the bed. Yeah. Oh, you know, I saw God last night. Let me go. Let me go to the doctor. Yes, sir. That was when we absolutely had to go.

But we didn't have health care. And my grandfather and my, you know, before us, they didn't want to burden us with those bills. Yeah. So, but you know what? Hey, let me go ahead and let this go ahead and take it because I can't leave my family in debt for forever and forever and forever. So it was a situation, no, they weren't going to the doctors. And considering they weren't trusting the doctors like, they're like, oh, no, I get sicker

when I go to the doctor. That's what it seemed like. Yeah, because they keep waking your ass up every 10 minutes. I say, damn! If I could sleep, I might can get better and get the hell up out of here. But y'all keep waking me up. Mr. Sharp, we got to check your blood. My blood is fine.

It's boiling right now. I promise you. They talk about Mr. Sharp, your blood pressure's up. Yeah, because y'all woke me up. Two o'clock in the day or more than I finally doled off. So I'm trying to block that out. As soon as I get to sleep, Mr. Sharp. They wake your ass.

Yeah. Right, right. Hey. I know exactly what you mean, well, I swear. But I was like, but I'm glad the young man. I'm glad the young man got it. It was, got diagnosed because I think early, early detection is one of the best

form of treatment. Yes. You catch it into the initial stages. Now they can treat it. They say nothing about you. I'm saying treat it and get you on a road to recovery. So congratulations to Nicolae Topich. Made his NBA debut four months after battling testicular cancer a year after.

he suffered a pre-draft ACL terror, still was able to go with the 12th pick in the NBA draft in 2024. And he finally made his NBA debut.

So, Joe, Ocho, NBA fine, Utah, Utah, Utah, for what league's called conduct detrimental to the league.

And Indiana Pacer will find 100K for violating the league's player participation policy. In addition, Adam Silver said

in an NBA news release that the league is seeking to implement for the measures to root out this type of conduct. Overt behavior like this prioritized the draft position over winning undermines the foundation of the NBA competition and will respond accordingly to any further actions that compromise the integrity of our games.

Additionally, we are working with our competition committee and board of governors to implement further measures to root out this type of conduct. On February the 7th, the jazz played Orlando Magic in Orlando. Lori marketing and Jaron Jackson had combined to score 49 points over the first three quarters, helping Utah to a 9487 lead entering the fourth quarter. But the Jazz held out marketing and Jackson fellow starters Yusuf Nurkich for the entire fourth quarter, and they lost the game 120, 117. Two nights later, Jazz carried an 8582 lead over the heat in the fourth quarter.

And once again, marketing, Jackson, Nurkich did not. play in the final period. But Utah ended up beating Miami 115-11-111. Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith responded to the five saying, agree to disagree. Also, we won the game in Miami

and got fine. That makes no sense. The Jazz owe a protected first round pick of the 2026 draft. Hey, what the hell is they trying to do, Joe? Man, listen, let me tell you all

something. Let me tell y'all something. Okay, Ocho. I'm wet Adam on this as far as finding these teams. But if I'm these teams, I'm going to take that little fine. Because look, let me tell you, as talented as this draft class is going to be. It can put you ahead 15, 20 years, Ocho, you get the right, you pick the right one. You know, it's going to be some stars in this draft class, bro.

And if you got, I really believe, even if you got a top five, top seven pick, you're still going to get. get great value, bro. It's deep. This is, this is, this a good one. This is a good draft class. I'm gonna take the fine, too, if I'm NBA team. Yeah, I'm gonna take that fine too. The problem that Utah has, though, Cho, if their pick is eight or down,

they have to turn that pick over to OKC. So they want to make, they want to try to get as many ping pong balls as they possibly can to stay one through seven. So we get the key that thing. Because the last thing you want to have is a top 10 pick that's eight, somewhere eight or below. And I be, damn, we got to turn this thing over to a, they already got an abundance of wealth.

And now we got to. Yeah, that sucks. That sucks for the players. That's playing, that's playing on the jazz, though, Joe. So it's like, I mean, we going out here planning, and I know management, they're trying to tank. They taking us out the game. They're taking away our minutes.

We got, we out here, you know, we got a job to do. And that ain't part of our job, trying to worry about, We'll be drafting that. Hey, look, Ocho, you're absolutely right. And as a player, you ain't feeling to go out there, point shaving. You're trying to get to the money. Because, look, look. You want your numbers to look good, too, at the end of the year

when you try to go up there and negotiate your contract. I don't care that. That's why they have to sit those guys out. Because if they don't, they're going to win. They know Lauren marketing and JJ, you're trying to win. Yeah, they're wrong. Hold on.

You're messing up by drafting. pick. Yeah. Sit y'all out now. Hold on. Hold on. Hey, Joe.

And like, how do the players feel about this? Knowing what the team is doing? Man, players go play, bro. Like,

they may, like, obviously with those guys, they're sending them guys out in the fourth quarter, he probably already told them. But, man, there ain't no guys going out there

lolly gagging, Ocho. Guys really, because they got, they got some nice pieces over there that's having pretty good. Right. Like, give you the guard.

George? George? George? He could have been a all-style this year. They just gave up a boatload of picks to get Triple J. Yeah. Yeah. The Cavalier fired Ty Lou.

Yeah. Because they were trying to take. Toulou's like, I ain't trying to take. I'm playing my guys. I'm playing my best player. Hey, you got to go there, bro. Hey, Joe, I wouldn't be that type. You know, if I'm one of the ballers on the jazz, honestly, I mean, knowing me and my

mentality, I don't care about what you're trying to draft. And you definitely ain't take me out no game. And I'm definitely my time, my time. Then you get fired for conduct detrimental. see how that work what absolutely they go hey ohcho you're going to find me because i don't want to come out the game yes that's contract detrimental to the team oh cho we we already we already ain't won but like 16 games ain't like we going to make no playing and no playoffs like we we we need more ping pong balls so we can try to get one of these feet arms that's coming out i got you now the team ain't going to come

out and say that but we we know what time it is okay i don't know You get looking like the Spurs. They get David Robinson. And then they get Tim Duncan. Duncan, yeah. And now they get Winby. But look, how did they get Tim Duncan? That's because David Robinson, them, has set out pretty much that year before they didn't play.

They got hurt. They was one of the weakest teams in the league and they end up getting the number one pick and you get Tim Duncan and David Robinson. Together. Now you got a dynasty. That was the start of it. That was your lead speaking. Yeah.

Yeah. So this is all it takes, man. It takes one more piece that Utah can add to that puzzle over there, and they could be one of the top teams in the West real quick. And you got to get lucky. I mean, you look at the Lakers. The Lakers win the NBA championship, and guess what? To get the number one OPEC, they get James Worthy.

How the hell, hold on. You've got magic and Kareemann, we win the championship, and guess what? The number one overall pick, University of North Carolina, six foot eight, James Worthy. Hey, how did that happen, no, Uncle? No, there ain't no happen. How do you win the championship and get the number one pick?

Back, you know, early on, Joe, this before your time, but you could draft, like the Celtics drafted Larry Bird his junior year and kept his rights. So you could draft the player and still have his rights. Wait. I'm not, I'm not even going to ask. Oh, because it used to be you drafted territorial. Right. So you drafted a player that was in that area. Okay.

Yeah. So, but you could draft. You could draft the player, draft the player, he'd go back to school and you still maintained his rights. Hmm. Mm.

So that's what happened with the Celtics. And the Celtics did a good thing. They ended up trading Joe Barry Carroll. And guess what? They traded Joe Barrett, Cal. They got Robert Pairns and, oh, lo and behold, Kevin McHale.

So now you got a big three-four. Go ahead and you go out and you trade and you get Nate Archibald. You get rid of Nate Archibald, and then guess what? what you get DJ. Who had just won the finals, I think he was a finals

MVP with Seattle. Yeah. Damn. Oh, no. They had a whip. They had a whip. That Boston Seltzer team was, I mean,

a lot of the rules back in the, see, like in the free throw, Joe, used to get three to make two. You got three attempts to make two shots. There was a lot of, like, damn, just a. So, you may, hey, you may, hey,

you may one, you miss one, hey, he got one more free throw. But, uh, I, and I agree with you, Joe. I see what the jazz is doing. It doesn't, it doesn't look good, uh, that you tank. But they're going to tank. Ain't nothing you can do. And now, you're going to, you're going to just eat that fine.

Yeah. At the end of the day, if we get the number one pick or even a number two pick, oh Joe, we back in business, baby. Yeah. I'm, hopefully those picks turn out, Joe. You say we got, you got a deep, you got a deep class this year. Ocho, them top, I'm talking about for show, them top four, five picks, Ocho, they're going to be special. Orlando got shot.

And then guess what? That's what. They got the next year, Chris Weber. They trained Chris Weber for Penny Hardaway. Yeah, yeah. It worked out. You get the right player. All it takes is one.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. one? That's it. It changed your portion. He just got you. Yeah. That was a smart move. I wonder, I wonder why I landed

why Orlando just didn't take Penny one. I think because Chris Weber was so. He was so darling. People don't realize how good, how good C. Webb was before he's in them to me. Knees gave out on the month. Man, C. Webb was a monster. Well, coming out of college,

he was a beast, Ocho in college. But coming into the league, you just, you can't, you can't look, you can, you can, you can't, you can't see him. and Shaq on the same team. I couldn't really see that. It was perfect because you remember leading up, Penny and Shaq

was in blue chips. You remember? Yeah. Yeah, that's one of my favorite basketball. It was in blue chips. Ocho don't know anything about that, Joe. New chips? I ain't see that joke or not?

Oh, man. Boy, that's a classic. We might take your black card behind that. What is on, Joe? I'm sure you can go, I'm sure you can go see it on. It might be on Amazon or something like that. Yeah, Amazon, yeah.

Matter of fact, you know what, I'm going to watch that tonight. Because, you know, I slept another four hours before we started. Yeah, I would knock that out. Joe, you see up there we see right now the top ten, top ten prospects is Darren Peterson, 66 guard, freshman guard out of Kentucky. Cameron Booze, a six-nine freshman, A.J. DeBanzah, a six-nine freshman. Kingston Fleming's, a six-four freshman. Caleb Williams, a 6-10 freshman.

Keaton Wagler, a 6-6-6 freshman. Michael Brown Jr., a 6-5 freshman. Nate Emmett, a 6-10 freshman. LeBron Philion is a 6-4 sophomore, and Braylin Mullins is a 6-6 freshman. They got a hell of a Darius A-Cuff. He leading the SEC and scoring and assists. Ain't no way he ain't in there.

He ranked 14, Joe. Yeah, he's getting money over there As a freshman, Ocho, he leading the SEC And scoring and assists, partner You like that? Yeah, yeah Hey, you know what? At my daughter's school,

I think he heard I think he tore his ACL last year He was supposed to be From what I heard The number one pick At Kentucky He got you got the braids a little bit Towards ACL last year

I think I seen him He playing now this shit I think he's playing He was at Arizona State first I think if I'm not mistaken Oh the big Big fella Yeah they ain't

I mean Kentucky doing an eye But they ain't like having no You know what I mean Hey and if Gilson keep playing like this He gonna throw his damn name in the hat Yeah See the thing is

He's tall He's like six eight Joe He about six seven He about six seven He bought six seven got some nice lint on him, but the thing is for him because he, you know, he kind of came off, you know, late.

He's such a late bloomer to the party, but he'll go to like a good team and end up paying it out. He can play. He can play. He can get money. He can play. I watched him. He's been getting to it out there.

Yep. So Peterson. It's a deep drive, man. Hey, March Madden is going to be fun. Oh, Joe, we're going to have to do brackets. I know I'm going to beat you all in that. No, you're going to do that, Joe. Yeah, in brackets.

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