Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL Divisional Round Part 1: C.J. Stroud DISASTROUS 4-INT playoff meltdown, Caleb Williams’ 3 INTs, DOOM Bears in OT Loss

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Rams thrilling OT winner versus the Bears, CJ Stroud's absolute collapse against the Patriots and the fellas try and make sense of the BTA the Seahawks put on the 49ers. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Rams beat Bears in OT19:14 - Patriots defeat Texans behind CJ Stroud's46:40 - Seahawks put BTA on 49ers (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Matthew Stafford, 242, 258, no touchdown, no interception. he was sack four time. Kyron Williams ran the ball extremely hard. 21 carries, 87 yards, two touchdowns. 31 rush attempts, 111 yards, two touchdowns. Kobe Parkinson was the lead. Well, he caught three for 56. Fuka had five for 56.

Jordan Winnington have two for 35. Devonty had a big catch on that last drive. Yeah, that was nice. He got him in field go range. Yeah. C. Dub, Kayla Williams, with another unbelievable throw, Ocho. I don't know. know how. Yes. Again,

that's two, that's two, listen, that's two weeks in a row. Two things can be true, Ocho. Yes, sir. Yes. The ball was misplayed. But to say that wasn't a hell of a throw is you're just, you're just being disingenuous. I mean, you are. To keep retreating with four guys in his face and throw

off his back foot. And in most the time. And putting on the money. Yeah. And most of the time, I'll say most of the time as a quarterback, once you're retreating backwards and you have pressure coming at you, that obviously the ball tends to fall actually. And, you know, short and it's an interception. Yes. Most of the time, because you are

retreating, you have pressure in your face, you're not able to get the kind of strength you want to on the ball. But listen, Caleb Williams is up there when it comes to having an arm talent and arm strength. I'm not calling him Aaron Rogers. I'm not saying he's Brett Farbrough. I'm not saying he's Matthew Stafford. But in conditions

like the night, he can still make all the throws they can. Yeah, but I think his ability to throw on the move is kind of what separates him. Because if you really just watch, Watch him. Yeah. He's more accurate on the move than he is in the pocket.

Pocket, yeah. I mean, he can roll and the thing is, Ojo, if you notice a lot of his throws, he's rolling to his left. So it's almost like you always try to force a guy to his non-dominant hand.

Yeah. Which is a right-handed quarterback, you force him left. A left-handed quarterback, you force him right. Yeah. But if you look at his best throws, he is rolling left.

Left, yeah. Mm-hmm. He feels very comfortable, you putting him in that situation. And by design, it's hard for you to, imagine. Man, he's right-handed.

Let's push him right. I mean, let's push him left. No. You push him kind of where he want to be. Mm-hmm. He made some throws tonight. He turned the ball over three interceptions. Chat.

Look at the story. How many turn off for Buffalo? They lost. How many turnovers for the 49ers? They lost. How many turnovers for the Texans? They lost. How many turnovers for the Bears?

They lost. Yeah. You see a real current theme? It's the common denominator, Uncle, you say it all the time, especially when it comes to playoff football were points at a premium. Every series that you have the ball, it matters.

In games like this, when it's so close, the margin of error is so small, when you turn it over three times, it's hard to overcome that. Even though the Bears had opportunity on that last drive, I'm not sure with it. I don't know if it was a miscommunication between Caleb Williams and DJ Moore. And, I mean, I don't know what happened on that intercept. You got to keep running. You can't stop. Even though if you can't catch it, you might be able to knock it down.

Back it down. Because in that situation right there, Ocho, they've already had a possession. You not have a possession. Yes. If you turn this ball over, next possession wins. I mean, next score wins. Basically. And that's what happened.

And that's why you've got to keep running. Because he's thwarted with the anticipation that you will continue to run. And if you don't catch it, you just make sure he doesn't catch it. Just give me another chance, Ocho. Just give me another chance. If I'm not mistaken, I think that was second down. Was that second down or third down? I think it was second down.

So at least give me another chance. And if it was third down, allow me to punt the ball and pin them. Yeah. And that's... But, uh, I mean, they, I mean, those, in, in those conditions, guys were catching the ball extremely well, oh, Joe.

Yeah. Those DPs? Yeah, they were. They were. Listen, the DBs were catching the ball better than the goddamn receivers. Because there were a lot, there were a lot of drops. There were a lot of drops. They could have kept some drives going.

Uh, I think, but not, I'm not mistaken. I think Rome, Rome had some. Romadoum, yeah. Yeah, Loveland, you know, he had some balls that were catchable. You know, they were right there. But obviously, even with the conditions, you got to focus a little bit more, you know, practice bringing the ball in. And listen, I'm used to playing in conditions like this all the time, especially once you get to November, December, you know, everything has to change.

Your mechanics, you being able to focus on the ball a little bit more, bringing it in, making sure you got it. And, hey, that ball, hey, and these... That ball heavy. That ball hard. Man, it's hard and heavy, boy. I was just getting ready to say that. And the fact, hey, Stafford and Goddamn Caleb throwing it like there's nothing.

That's why you kind of got... You want guys with armed talent like that, don't you? That can cut through the elements. Yes. Because you know in Chicago, it's going to be windy. And you're also outside in Green Bay. Mm-hmm. So if your home game is in the Midwest,

so you play Kansas City, So let's just say you're home, you're Kansas City, you're Chicago, your Green Bay, or you're going to be in the Northeast where you're New England or you're the Jazz, you're the Giants. Ocho, you've got to have a guy that can cut through the wind. Oh, yeah, you got to. Because it's going to get windy, it's going to get cold.

You're going to probably have to play sometime in Clement weather, be it rain, snow, sleep, wind. I don't know why this happened. It always happened like this. Soon as I start to come on air, now a sudden, I can't stop coughing. I bet. But you show everything good over there? You coming down with something?

No, not everything is good. You see, I can't stop coughing. But I'm looking at the Rams defense, Ocho. Why y'all keep crashing and letting the man get the edge? Outside, yeah, yeah, every time. Damn! Every time. Y'all crashing down hard.

He's a mobile quarterback. You can't do that. Yeah. You got to stay just me. Oh There you go Oh yeah Joy to miss

That last saw I knew some was going on I was like damn I spelled lysos Maybe We got We got some lightsall There you go

Yeah let me get Let me get that Hey because I hear Listen Well ain't no reason Be coughing like that What? Chat how y'all doing

tonight? Y'all good Hope you all having a good Have you all having a good weekend y'all shouldn't have to work tomorrow. If you have to work tomorrow, you need to think about changing, you know,

jobs outside of that. We're going to have a good time tonight. We're going to go into the holiday tomorrow celebrating, you know exactly what it is. I said, goddamn. Yeah, but I thought about the Rams defense allowed him to get to the edge entirely too much. You have to understand.

You have to continue. chain, there you go. There you go. See, this is what I'm talking about. Hey, I'm just making sure I want nothing you got coming over, come across this place. You're the eater? Hey, hi. You're the eater or a bunch?

Who? You! Hey, if I'm the eater, you don't see me coughing ever. Oh yeah, yes, I did. Yes, I did. You remember. When? Man, I had to call hazmat up in and clean, every, sanitize everything.

But they get the win. Look, I thought this win was probably very satisfied for Sean Nick Bay considering how Ben Johnson ran on the field against Green Bay and shook and shut Matt LaFleur's hand. Yes. Matt LaFleur and Matt and Matt are best friends. He didn't take too kindly to that. Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, he didn't take too kindly for that. No, absolutely not. If you're a Bears fan up, you have no reason to let your head down. You have no reason to be sad. Obviously, sad because. You want to be in the NFC championship game, obviously. You want a chance of going to compete for a Lombardi, but your future is very bright because the two people.

That goddamn Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. As long as they're there, you're going to be in contingent every single year. And now the NFC, the NFC, that division in general looks different now because of your quarterback and your head coach. And it's going to be like that for a very, very long time. Well, if Minnesota wants to don't, if Minnesota doesn't want to get left behind, they better get a quarterback. They left behind already.

They are left behind already because who are you going to find that's going to be the type of talent or equal to that of goddamn Caleb Williams or Jordan Love? Hey, find the Jerry Golf. Where you had, say I'm darnal. You let him walk out to do it.

And you let him walk out to know because you thought your number eight pick was the answer. And you found out quick. Not only is he not the answer, but it's hard to keep his ass on the goddamn. and feel too. Yes.

Yes. I totally agree with everything you're just saying. But when you, the Rams have to feel very good. Look, we got an epic game. We got an epic matchup one Thursday night, Ocho. It was an unbelievable game. If we can get anything close to that, I'll take it. As a matter of fact, I'll take a second helping of that because that was a phenomenal

game. Let's see if the Rams have fixed their special teams. Because remember, Rashid, Shaheed. got it started. Yeah. Again, I mean, I've never seen a game, a game winning play the first minute of the game. Yeah. But when Rashid, Shahid took that kickoff back, that game was over.

Yeah. Take the win right up out of your sales. It was over. Yeah. It was over. It was over. But this was a good game. This is what the game is supposed to be.

Two very evenly matched teams. Matthew Stafford, two gunslingers, two number one overall picks, going head-to-hand. head. Caleb looked good. I agree with you, Ocho. I think with the talent that they surrounded him with, the offensive line help that they got. Now, if I'm them, I'll probably go get me. I need a pass rush. I need another pass rush outside of sweat. I need somebody that can consistently generate pressure. But you look at them offensive, they got Lovelin. They got more. They got a dunzee. They got Commet. They got Burton III. They got Zakeas. They're loaded, man. I like the running game with Dianre Smith. What is, mona guy? Monongi, Manongi. Menongi? Monongi. Monongi.

Yeah, him. Hey, he'd be running people over, Ochoa. Yeah, he don't play. He don't go, he don't go. I'm not what day. Yeah, he don't play. He's going to let you know. He's going to let you know he there.

I don't care how small he may look, you know. Yes. I don't care how small he looked. I said, oh, okay, he's running behind his pad, you know. Yeah. Hey, son, run behind your pants. Mm-hmm. He definitely run behind his pass.

But I thought Swift ran the ball really hard tonight. Yes. But they turned up, when they turned the ball over on downs inside, you know, Ziocho, pass gave up those points. Yeah. Now, that game, when it touched down, you're in the lead. Yep. Analytics is ruining the game, huh?

Instead of coaches having the field for the game, they're allowing analytics and data. Right. To get in the weight of games. And now you lead points on the field, the points on the field going for it on fourth down. I mean, they were more successfully against Green Bay. But they do it all the time, though, Ocho, we used to like, okay, it's fourth and one. We kind of like at midfield or on the other side of midfield.

Okay, we go for it once. I mean, we might have on fourth down, especially if we're losing, okay, we get you going for it. Right. But, man, that go, Ocho, the Bears went for it six times. Yeah. You might have, you might have in a situation where you're not losing. You might have maybe five in a season. Uh-huh.

Now, these teams have like 10, 15, 20, $24,000 going for it. And you got to understand why they're going for it too. Uncle, you understand the problem because if you do make them, the chances if you do make them, the chance of you winning the game increased that much. So I kind of understand it. I understand the analytics and the data behind it and the percentage, on how high the percentage is if you happen to make those four downs

and give you a better chance of winning those games. But when you don't make it, that's the problem. Now you put your goddamn defense in harm's way and hoping they can stop these teams that you're playing against, especially if you give them good feel, especially if you give them a short feel. That makes it even worse.

Especially you play in a team like the Rams. Ocho, I'm confused. I need you to help me out on this one. Because we had a very similar play to what happened last night in the Denver game with Devante. Yeah. Same way, but they gave him the catch.

They did. They gave him the catch. I mean, obviously, his knee was down. Well, hell, when Brandon Cooks had the ball in his hands, his knee was also down as well. I guess this. I mean, it's confusing. There's no consistency when it comes to calling those, I call them bang, bang plays. Yeah.

The receiver's catching the ball and the DB's right there, and they're both handsy. And whoever comes up with the ball, that's what it belong to. But Devante let the ball go. So I'm assuming that should have been what? maybe a fumble based on our logic. Fumble or incomplete or something? Incomplete, based on our logic and reasoning from last night.

Well, it couldn't have been incomplete because the guy caught the ball. So it's either fumble or interception. Yeah, one or the other. Yeah. But I was surprised. I was surprised because I'm looking at it. And they did like first down. I'm like, really?

Yeah. Because that's like a very similar play. Matthew Stafford gets an opportunity, goes back to the NFC championship game. You know, last time he was in the NFC championship. Well, that was against the Eagles. That's what they lost.

They lost last year to the Eagles in the snow game. And he played really, really well. Yeah. I thought, look, for a guy that's played in a dome his entire career, he played at the university. He grew up in Texas, Highland Park. He went to Georgia. He was in a dome.

He's in another dome in Southern California. he played really well. Yeah. I mean, listen. He played really well against, you said it. You said, hey, you were last year. Last year. I mean, you were about last year against Philly.

He was dealing, boy. He was throwing. And he came, he came one back shoulder pass away from beating the goddamn Eagles. Yep. Yeah. I mean, when you have that kind of armed talent, and it really doesn't matter the condition that you do play and you just hope those that you're throwing the ball to can make those catches.

I get the ball to you. Yeah. I get the ball to you. I'll definitely make it happen. Yeah. But the Los Angeles Rams move on. They played their division nemesis, the Seattle Seahawks, 20 to 17. They're very familiar.

This will be the third time that they played. There's no love lost between these two teams. Seattle, physical, both sides. They want to run the football. Yes. With a Walker the third and Charbonneau. Yeah, and Sharbineau good. It's Charbonneau good?

Because he left the game. He was Nick. Yeah, he got Nick, didn't it? Yeah, yeah. He got Nick. They elevated somebody up from the practice squad. If I think I read that, Ocho. Right.

But look, the way Kenneth Walker running, he good. We just keep running him. And you know those wives, the J.S.N. Cooper Cup. Cup. Yeah, he made some big catches yesterday on third down. Now you're just hoping that Sam Darnel doesn't revert back because he has a propensity to put the ball in harm's way.

Yeah, yeah. You got a great chance to winning if you don't put the ball in the harm for it. You turn the ball over. You're not going to represent the NFC and in the Super Bowl. No. So I'm just letting you guys know, just hope Sam Donald does do what he's been doing, which is not turned the football over. I don't think he turned it over that last regular season,

that last regular season game against the 49ers. They got 49ers again. He didn't turn it over. He needs to, he needs to repeat that song. Just play that, just replay. Just put that on replay. Repeat and keep playing it over and over. Because if you take care of the ball,

there's an excellent chance that you're going to go to the NFL the Super Bowl. According to NBC sign line reporter, Melissa Stark, Rams players were putting cayenne pepper in their socks to stay warm against the bears. Hold on. Cyan pepper.

What the hell of cayenne pepper going to do in those kind of conditions? It heats up. It heats up. It heats up. Boy, Unk, that's a new one now, boy. I ain't never heard of that one. Well, when you put an, uh, what, what you, uh, icing hot, being gay.

Right. Remember they used to put that in people's job? And when you start sweating, what it do? Oh, you heat, okay. Yeah, I ain't never used that before. The only thing I had, Unk, what do you call the warmas they give you? And you break, your hand warm, yeah. I ain't have those either, yeah.

Yeah, that's the only thing I know about. And I used to, I used to take the hand warmers once it got cold, unc. I take one, break it up, let it get warm, and I put it on the inside of my gloves. I put one on the... I didn't... I didn't have them. I mean, if they called timeout, or I went to the sideline,

I would have them, but I didn't have no pouch. I didn't need none of that. No. Yeah, you know, pouch? Mm-mm. Oh, but look at you. Okay.

No, no pouch. The last time the Rams won the Super Bowl Cooper Cup was the MVP. Next week, the Rams will try to get back to the Super Bowl with Cooper Cup now on the opposite side line as a member of the Seahawks.

Look, he knows this offense. Yeah. He knows that when they're getting certain formations and you hear certain calls, he can call it because he's that kind of smart. He's got kind of player. Right. How much they rely on that, the film study normally tells you.

Maybe he can give them some intricacies or like when you hear certain calls on you. This is what that means because it was always interesting when we play a West Coast team to hear, they try to disguise it with both. Bro, I know what Lucy is and I know what Sluggo is and I know what all that. I know this. And I know smoke, square out, comeback. I know we knew all that. And we know we all was trying to give us those bogey-dubby calls too.

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New England earned their first AFC championship trip since 2018. It's up a clash with the Denver Broncos. I don't know. It always comes down to, you know, Peyton and Tom. Yeah. The Victor keeps alive

of 15-year street with every AFC title game since 2011 has featured either the Patriots or the Chief. The last without them was Pittsburgh over the Jets in 2010. C.J. Stroud had arguably his worst game of his three-year

career throwing four interceptions in the first half. He finished with 20 and 47, 220 12 yards, and a quarterback rating of 28. Stride's four interception in the first half tied for the most in a playoff game since at least 2000.

C.J. Stroud passer rating was 28. Ocho, if he had taken a snap and just backed up and threw it into the ground, his quarterback rating would have been 39.6. Hey, that was embarrassing. That was embarrassing. You can't do... You got the best defense in the NFL.

You got the best defense in the NFL. You got away with it last week. And you watched film all week. All right, I can't go into it. this game. I understand the importance of this game. I can't do one thing. I can't put the ball in harm's way. I can't turn the ball over. I just can't. And the watch film, to understand that you got by, by the grace of God, you come back in this game and you still, oh, come on, nah. You got the best defense that can take you all the way to Santa Clara. All I have to do is

the quarterback of this team is don't put the ball in harm's way. Don't turn it over. That's it. I mean, it sounds easy, obviously, sitting here on the goddamn, you know. No, it's not. But it's not. I would have thought he learned his lesson Monday night, Ocho. We talked about it. We talked about it, Ocho. He fumbled four times.

He got, they got two of them back. Yeah. So he had two fumbles and two picks, right? Or would he have two fumbles and one pick? What did he have on Monday? But he got seven turnovers in two games. Yeah. Ocho, this is what Troy Aikman said on the broadcast.

C.J. Scrowe has been chasing his rookie success for the last two years. He's not been the same player. We've not seen the development from him. There's a reason for that, and it needs to be addressed. Now, when Shannon said C.J. Stroud has not been the same since his rookie year. What is they say, what you're going to tell them? What they say about when I say CJ has not been the same. They say you hate it.

They say you hate it. You hating. Where is that energy for the white quarterback? Now, what y'all says? about Troy. Maybe because Troy played the quarterback position and I give, you know what, I'll give you that. Right. He played at an elite level

the guy with a Super Bowl MVP led a team to three Super Bowls. So if you want to say well, Troy know more about that position, I'll concede that. But all he said was the exact same thing that I said, it was just a different voice. You see, C.J. Stroud, he got intoxicated by the success

that he had. Listen at him talk. This man said his rookie season, he was one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL as a rookie. Yeah. He was going on everybody's platform. He that guy. He that guy. And he's regressed every year.

But y'all don't want to have real conversations. Y'all won't us. Because before, well, we, you wanted guys like Ocho and myself, guys that played the game, guys that played the game at an elite level. But then when we tell you the harsh truth, well, oh, the word that energy. I said something today on you. I said, think about this. I said, Chad, think about this.

If we want to debate Peyton and Tom, Joe Montana and Patrick Mahomes, okay, we can critique that. I say, think about this here. Y'all talking about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Neither guy has won a championship and now we're debating

who's turned the ball over the most in a playoff game. Let that sink in. Something we've never done before. We're not talking about championships where we can compare. You want to compare LeBron? Well, LeBron got four championships, Kobe got five.

LeBron got four MVP, Kobe got one. LeBron got four finals MVP, Kobe got two. Kobe's been the 19, has 19 all-star. LeBron has 21. All-Star game MVP. If you want to debate that, we can have a conversation. But since when do we debate guys that don't have a championship, we start picking apart.

Well, one guy turned the ball over four times, the other guy turned it over three. One guy turned it over three, the other guy turned over two. When do we start doing that, Ocho? No, because there's nothing. There's nothing else to talk about. You have to pull something out the air to create dialogue to tell the difference between two quarterbacks that haven't won a championship yet.

Back to the C.J. Stroud thing, I want to have a better understanding on why he's regressing the way he is. Is it the coaching? Is it all, is it, his OC is gone from his rookie year? What can it be? What is the issue behind it? Because he has a talent around him. Yes. He has a great supporting cast around him offensively where the struggles that he's having,

he shouldn't be having them. One of the best chances as far as that window for them and having an opportunity to compete for a Lombardi trophy was this year having the defense that they do have. Yes. This was the year. Yes. I just don't understand.

He's been very inconsistent. He's been up and down. He has good games. Then he have a string that are bad. It leaves scratching your head. Based on the standard in which he's set from his rookie season, you expect him to continue to get better. better and keep chopping wood, keep chopping wood.

Sophomore year, okay, it's a little shaky. Okay, we can live with that. We know going into your third year, maybe things will continue to get better, and you build off some of the things that you've seen that have been mistakes, you learn from and you don't do them again. But now those same mistakes are continuously happen. Those same assessments, those same fumbles. That clock in your head has to go off sometime as a quarterback,

understanding when you've got to get rid of the ball. No one will let it go. Is he getting better or is he talking about getting better? Because here's the thing now. See, it's kind of like winking in the dark. You know what you're doing, but nobody else does. You can tell us whatever you want to tell us. We have no choice but to believe you because we're not there in your most private moments.

But that's not what the work says. But I will say this, I will say this. You don't get, you don't have the success he's had. You don't get to where he's gotten to. and done some of the things he's done in his career without putting in the work. Ocho, how many guys got to the NFL? There have been a lot of guys that had great college careers.

We've seen a lot of guys have great one years. Yeah. The trick is to do, Ocho, if you go to the pro bowl one time, man, didn't nobody know you had that in you? But now can you go back again? Yeah. Can you go back again? Can you go back again?

When they build a game plan to stop you, Ocho, can you still have success? Okay, so now you have the outstanding rookie season. What you're going to do about it in your sophomore year? Yeah. You got to keep building. What about your junior season? You got to keep building?

Are you going to talk about it or you're going to be about it? Come on now. Damn, man. Hey. Sometimes you have to have real hard conversation about these guys. Like I said, I came in the league in 1990. So that means I've seen a lot of quarterbacks. I saw Mahomes.

I saw Brady. I saw Manning. I saw Rivers. I saw Rothersburg. I've seen a lot of quarterbacks. I've never. ever since 1990. So that's about 37 years of being in the NFL to cover it.

I've never heard a rookie quarterback. Talk as much as this young man did after success that he enjoyed in one season. I've never. You know, you know, you know, it's funny. So it's hard, it's hard for me to, to be able to give my context and perspective on what he said because most of the time, the time that I've heard him talk, it's obviously God-fearing guy. So I haven't seen a heard of him.

some of the things you might have heard. So it's hard for me to give my piece on that. But I just don't understand what the issue and why is, as good as he is, as great of a throw of the football that he is, having Nico Collins and having some of the other weapons. When Nico was out today, Ocho. I'm just saying in general. Yeah, overall, yeah.

But he had Nico the large part of the season. Yeah, during the season, I just, I don't understand. I get what you said. Maybe next year, we got Tank Dale coming back. You got Tank, tank, one hell of a player. Yeah. Tank is one hell of a player and he changes. Hopefully he can come back.

That was a gruesome injury, Ocho. Yeah, he'd be back, though. That was a gruesome, Ocho. It was, it was. And then, if he comes back, it's still going to take another year for him to get his timing and his legs. And we're about his funding. He's been rehabbing all this time.

Yeah. He ain't training. Yeah. Fuck, I hate, my bad. Excuse me. Sorry about that. No, you're good. I hate, I hate stuff like that.

just could you understand how that position is scrutinize yes but you also understand why they get 60 million a year hmm come on now look at your bradies yeah look at your mannings look at your jacks um mar marr this year i'm gonna chalk it up the injury he was injured he was in and out and when he came back he wasn't the same lamar but you go back and look at lamar's track record Lamar Lamar's proven commodity you look at it. His first year,

he started like six games. They make the playoffs. He'd come back to next year. He wins the MVP. Yeah. You look at Mahon boy and maybe it's unfair. Because everybody in their second year and third year not winning MVP's. Everybody can't have the level of success that Lamar Jackson is had.

Patrick Mahomes is had. Drake May is in the running for the MVP in his second year. Could win. I think Matthew Stafford is going to win. They're going to give it. But the mere fact that he's in the discussion, only in your two. Says a lot, yeah.

Yes. Now, maybe we look at the coordinator, who's coaching him, what's he teaching him, and is he processing, is he learning what he's being taught? Because we've seen coaching matters. We look at Matt Jones when he had a Josh McDaniel and we look at Matt Jones when he had the other guys

in his ear. Yeah. We look at K. Valon Chesson. Now that he's here, with Brabel, he looks like a different player than what he was with the Jags.

Yeah. Coaching matters. Systems matter. Organizations matter. Sam Darnal. Tadda. Those things matter. So I would,

ask, Demico, look at your office, who's coaching him, the quarterback, who's in his ear, O.C. He's regressed.

He has not gotten better. He has not. And you cannot convince anybody that's watched him his rookie year and watched him sophomore and junior year that says that C.J.

Stroud has gotten better at anything than what he was as a rookie. Yeah. And I don't understand it. You know, from the outside looking in, I'm not in that building.

All I get to see is I get to see the finished product like everybody else in the chat. I get to see them on Sundays. Obviously, playing that position, you understand the work that has to go in to improve from your rookie year to your sophomore to your junior year. And for some reason, things haven't, it just, it just hadn't done that. Now, the one thing that we can hoop and holl about is a goddamn defense over there in Houston. Huh?

That, that's one of the best, if not the best in NFL, outside of the goddamn Seahawks and the goddamn Broncos. Yes. Can you imagine? Could you imagine understanding? I'm just, I'm putting myself in C.J. Straub's shoes. Me having a defense like that. Just don't eff it up.

I ain't got, all I got to do, I don't got to mess it up. I mean, it sounds easy, you know, but obviously, oh, man, that's, Ocho. How about just not, Ocho? Look at the plays that he was turning the ball over on, though, Ocho. Yeah. What was complex or overly complicated about that? No.

Just don't throw it to the other team. Hold on to the damn ball. Mm-hmm. They would have won this game. If the Texans could have got those scooping scores like they got against Pittsburgh, they'd win this game. Yeah. They, they, they, they, they, they, great made fumbled twice. He only lost two.

He fumbled four times. What if one of those or two of those, they scooping scores? Of course, yeah. Like we saw against Pittsburgh. They got a scooping score and they got to pick six. Changes everything. It changes everything. But when you got a defense like that, you don't have to do much.

You don't. I don't know. I don't know maybe he goes to Whitfield or he go to Tom House or he goes to someone. But whomever is in his ear currently, Ocho, you can't regress like that. You can't. Now, I promise you, we got to have real, also, they're having real conversations. Do we extend this guy for $300 million or do we make him play, oh, do we just pick up that fifth year option and make sure he plays year four?

$300 million or play out year four and we pick up year five. That's, that, oh, that's, see, that's one, I wouldn't want to be Nick Secaria. Is it Secario? No, you said you want to be a GM. You said you wanted to be Matt Ryan. That's what you're saying. Chad, did he not say that? Why don't, why the Bengals should call me, one of these teams should call me.

So now here you are. You're a GM. So, okay, I'm the GM of the Houston, Texas right now. Yes. Do I pick up, do I pay Cid they shroud? What? 300 million. Three hundred million.

So do I pick up the fifth year option and make him prove himself one more year? Yep. I'm going to take option two. I'm going to pick up that fifth year. I'm making prove himself next year. Yes. And then, boom, okay, you know, you're the future for the next 10 years. I got you.

Let's go. I can do that. I mean, both guys were just like staking up the joint for a long time. I mean, Ocho, if you go back and think about it, Drake may got three touchdowns, but two, Boutet touchdown and Stefan Digg, I don't know how they held on to that. I still don't know how Stefan Diggs was looking at the damn hand like, how did I hold on to that? What the hell?

Yeah. Bouté, in those elements, he caught the ball with one hand against Stingley Jr. Yeah. Yeah, he had a beat. You know what? That was great coverage by Stingley, but a perfect ball placed will be great coverage any day. No, absolutely. That was perfect ball placement.

Ain't nobody. A perfect shot beats a perfect defense. I don't care. Oh, you see, we've seen. Kobe and Steph and LeBron and Jordan all these guys, the defender all, I mean, bro, how you, first of all, how you, KD,

how do you even see the basket? We watched Steph, oh, Joe, we watched Steph last year at the Olympics. Yeah. I mean, 24 at the Olympics. And you're like, hold on, wait a minute. Batoon and these guys are basically in the job. Bro, how are you making shots from 35 like that?

Like it ain't nothing. Ain't nothing you could do. We've seen the hottest hitters. And a pitch company, the perfect placement, ain't nothing you could do. That was a perfect throw. Bootate, ha, ha, survive. Oh, guess what?

He caught the ball. He survived the contact from the ground. And got up with it. That is a catch. Yeah. But this defense, at some point in time, Ocho, you can't pay everybody on that defense. Now, oh, Will Anderson Jr.

What are you going to do with him? Hold on that, and that's what I'm getting ready to say. He's a three-time, I think he's going to what, three pro bowls? Yes. Two or three pro bowls. He's all pro this year. He's going to be probably a top 20 of the top 100 players. He's probably going to be in the top 20.

Okay. If you get CJ 300, oh, you just saw what Miles Garrett got. You just saw what Michael Parsons got. And he yelled at him to Michael Parker. Yeah. So you're going to have to be looking at to give him $192,200. Oh. You just paid Stingley and you paid the other guy, Alasseter on the other side, Petrie.

Wait. Wait, no. Lasseter, Petrie. Bullock. Hey, this was their year, man. Hey, they got a squad, man. They got them, boy. Hey, Shazir is up or he still, he got.

I think Shizier might be up too. Oh, they got a scar, man. Yes. This was their year, boy. Look, they've taken care of shows. They've taken care of Nico. Huh? Stingley.

Lasseter, didn't they take care of Lasseter? No, Lasseter only in the second year, ain't he? Oh, is he? Yeah, you only in the second year. What about Petrie? I'm not sure. I'm not sure about Petri. Oh, them boy, man.

Hey, God. Wait, hey, could you imagine, could you imagine if I was out there at the quarterback quarterback at Houston? What? Huh? Hey, I call Josh McDaniel. I call Mike McDaniel, Joe. Blue Rape.

Ooh, that's a good one. For the O.C.? Yes. Hey. Oh, hold on. I rather, I mean, honestly, I like, I like, I like the idea. I like where you're going with it.

But I prefer, I prefer goddamn Mike McDaniel over there in Detroit. Because he has more to play with. Yes. He has more tools to play with. play with. He got more tools in the toolbox and that kind of offense. And it's basically what he's already used to running. I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like,

this is what D'emico said. He never considered bitching, C.J. C. J. is our guy. I believe that he could come back out in the second half and flip it. I believe that he could come play better. And he did that in the second half. He did play better. We had some positive drive there in the second half. I believe that we would do that. did that. As I always tell our guys at halftime, it really doesn't matter what happened in the first half. Yeah. It's a two-half game, huh? It is. Two-half game. You can stink it up the first half and come back and look all-world in the second. Yep. Yep. But it's, in a game like this, it's hard to overcome four turnovers in the first half. The only thing that saved them

it was that Drake May was throwing picks and fumbling the football. Oh, yeah. That's what kept them in the ball game. And they needed their defense to get some scooping scores or some pick sixes like they got against Pittsburgh. And they had one. The guy tried to pick it up in that area of the field. You got to just jump on it. Just jump on it.

You're trying to play hero. Will Anderson, Jr. got one out. And he almost had between his leg and then Campbell jumped on that one. That could have been another one. That could have led to points, maybe a touchdown, maybe a field goal. We don't know.

Yeah. But there are some opportunities there for the defense, but it's just hard when your offense puts your defense on short fields and keeps putting you in harm's way. Because I don't care how great you are. That's what we had to learn at the 2000 Ravens. Yeah. As great as our defense were, if we kept putting them on short fields with a guy,

hey, all they got to do is just kneel down and kick a field goal. Yeah. And then a busted player or a broken tackle. That's a touchdown. Make them drive 70-80. you weren't driving 70, 80 on that defense, not that year. I don't believe a team is going to consistently drive 70, 80 yards on that Houston, Texas defense. The only thing that would harm them would put them in harm's way,

turnovers. Off and turning the ball over. And the Patriots, hey, they got their hands on the ball. Gonzalez got it out from Woody Marks. Carlton Davis had two outstanding picks. They're intercessible night. Hey, Carlton Davis played a little receiver, boy. He must have played a little receiver back in the day.

Those guys, those guys played well. They did a great job. Anthony Jennings had a sack. Tonga had a sack. Kay Levin Cheson had a sack. They put pressure on him. But man, Will Anderson Jr. were playing out of his mind. Three sacks.

Danelle Hunter, two sacks. Countless pressures. Hey. they're supposed to come away I mean they're supposed to come away. Oh, Cho, your defense do that for you. You got, hey, five sacks. You supposed to repay the favor, though.

But, you know what's funny? It's them five sacks, the full turnovers, it counters. It evens everything out. Yes. It evens everything out. Yep. And the thing is,

the reason why I was a close ball game is that, like you said, one team had had five, Five, what, five turnovers? No, they had, no, Woody Marks lost, yeah. Woody Marks lost one. And, uh, four, so that's five turnovers. And the other team had three turnovers.

Mm-hmm. It's crazy. But I, but I, look, I got to try something. Because something is going on with my quarterback. And I believe he's the, if I'm D'Amico, this is how I'm thinking. I'm D'Amico Ryan. Mm-hmm. My quarterback is not the same.

as he was in his rookie season. Now, I need to know why. I'm not, I'm going, I'm not going to leave a stone unturned. Yeah. I'm on scour heaven and earth. Maybe he needs to get an old O.C. Maybe he needs somebody else in his ear. You know, I don't know what it is.

They need to do something because when C.J. Stroud missed a few games, David Mills came in and kept their head above water. David Mills came in and kept that Houston, Texas offense, above water until C.J. Stroud got back. He did. So if David, Mills can do it and look the way he look in such a short amount of time. I'm sure C.J. Stroud can come back and do it. I'm not sure if his confidence, maybe shot a little bit.

Maybe they need to have a different approach and to getting him in rhythm. Stop having plays that are so long. Stop having plays that require play action. I don't know. I don't know. You know, that team, D'Amico, they understand what C. Day Stroud's strengths are as a quarterback and they understand what his weaknesses are. You need to make sure you play to his strengths and hide his weaknesses the best way you can until you can make his weaknesses a part of his strength. And that takes years and years and years of working at your craft to do that. Yeah.

What, today was the, the, the, the, the, the, the L.C. Championship game in 97? Oh. Yeah, yeah, that was 97. I think we did pick off Cordell a couple of times. What did we pick him off? Three times, two times. You played against Cordell Stewart? Yeah.

When it's with the Steelers, huh? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Three times. Yeah. Well, I think if they, no, he can, because one year, Cordell, I think it might have been that year. Cordell finished like second or third in the MVP voting.

Who won the MVP? In 97, Barry and Brett Farr are tied. Brett won it three years in a row, 95, 96, 97. Yeah. And then TD wanted in 98. Yeah. And then Kurt Warner won it in 2009. And I think Marshall won him in 2000.

And then Kurt won it again in 01. I think, I think. With the Rams, huh? Nah, Rich Gavin. Yeah, I think Kurt won in 01. I think Rich won in 2002. That's with the Raiders. Yes.

Yeah. With Jerry and Tim. Yeah. Yeah. But Houston, you got too much talent. Don't squatter this. You got to find out what's going on with CJ because you're about to have to invest a boatload of money in him.

So you might want to make sure everything is on the, that you give him the best tools possible from an offensive perspective as a coordinator and a quarterback coach to make sure you're maximizing his ability. Yeah. After the game, several fans posted Strauss, Stroud's infamous post-game moments with Caleb Williams from week two of last season. Straub, big brother Williams, despite them being the same age, and told Caleb, stop taking those big hits, and then it would be a hell of a player in the NFL.

Well, he ain't lie. Williams did not look at all interested in what Stroud had to say. Since that moment, C.J. Stroud, 5,795 yards, 34 touchdowns, 18 picks. Caleb Williams, 6,612 yards, 48 touchdown. downs, 12 picks. Eh. Yeah. Tough.

He's just trying to look out. He's just trying to look out. You know, that was a genuine moment, too, from two players, obviously, knowing each other before they even made it to the NFL. Just give me some, because you know how they were giving Caleb crap. CJ, CJ from California. From L.A. No, I'm saying.

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The San Francisco 49 is by the score of 41 to 6. The Seahawks advanced to the NFC championship game. They'll host either the Rams or the Bears next week. Raheeshaheed returned to open and kickoff 95 yards to set the tone and they never look back. Seattle's defense was

stifling as they were the last game of the season when they beat the 49 19-13-3. This time it was even more convincing. Seattle defense dominated, forcing three turnovers, holding the 49ers to 3, 236 yards, and three turn them over on downs three consecutive times. Kenneth Walker finished the game, 116 rushing yards,

and three touchdowns tying the great Alexander, the great, Sean Alexander, the great Seattle running back, Seattle, Seahawks running back for the most touchdown in a playoff game. Ocho, this thing got started. from the job. It's hard to overcome. You know, a special team touchdowns, Ocho. They just do something too.

Hey, listen, they take the win out your sales. For one, you're already playing on the goddamn road having to deal with the 12th man. Then obviously, you know, you practice all week and you focus on the offense and the high power octane that is the Seattle Seahawks offense. Then you know what they look like on defense. And then they have to deal with the special teams, too.

They come out and score as soon as the game starts. it already puts you behind the eight ball. Then you can't get nothing going offensively. On top of the turnovers you have in the game, hell, you really don't stand a chance to actually, let alone win. You can't even compete playing like that. And so, I mean, damn, all three phases.

They dominated. All three phases, they dominated the entirety of the game. At no point. At no point in the game, well, the goddamn 49ers in the game at all. And listen, I tweeted at one point, they were up, they were up by, maybe about 14. Yeah, what, 17, 3, 176, something like that? The 176, I said, listen, at some point, the pendulum is going to shift.

The momentum is going to shift. Can the Seahawks get enough of a lead when that momentum shifts where the 49ers don't have a chance to come back? Most of the time, Monk, you watch football for a very long time. Most of the time, when it does shift, the other team makes a way and finds a way to come back and crawl their way back into the game. Tonight, man. Yeah, that wasn't even close. I don't know what that was.

It wasn't happening. I don't know if I've ever seen this before. A team only had 50 plays. Team ran 50 plays, Lachio, and get 41 points. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, we're going to take that special teams play away, but still they got 34 points on 50 plays. That's crazy.

That is crazy. You cannot, in the postseason, I don't care how good your team. And we're going to talk about this, Buffalo. you turn the ball over four times. Now, you know, Sean got a little conservative there. Oh, whoa, four. Yeah, five turnips, my bad. Five.

But in this game right here, Seattle, man, that defense, they're good at all three levels. Their back end is really good. Ernest Jones, the fourth, takes the ball away, Big Leonard Williams, and D. Long, DeMarcus Lawrence has found new life getting out of Dallas. he finds the guys are playing for one another. They fly to the football.

Big Leonard Williams has been sensational. Man, you know, they got guys that can make plays on the offensive side of football. They can run the football with Kenneth Walker, what, the third, Sharbonneau. But the receiving end, they make plays. I mean, they're just the sound football team. Very, very well coached. And I think the thing is defensively, Ocho, when you watch them,

they don't do a whole lot. They don't do a whole lot. I mean, from what I see. they play some quarters and maybe man down in the red zone. But other than that, simplicity. Let's do a few things great as opposed to doing a lot of things. Okay. Yeah.

And I think that's one of the reasons why defensively, most of the time, they're really not ever out of position because they do the simple things and they do the simple things very, very well. Obviously, when you have the personnel that they do have defensively, it makes it a lot easier. We don't have to do all the exotic shit. You don't have to confuse your opponent with all type of different coverages and schemes and tactics to be able to do things.

And the fact they were able to put up 41 points tonight, minus, like you said, let's take out the return from Shishahee. They still put up 34, 35 goddamn points. Sam Donald, the night, he was only 12.17. But that's it. One TD, the JSN. That was it. That is how good they played the night.

Kenneth Walker Jr. Played well. Cooper Cup led the team with five for 60. But that goddamn defense, boy, that goddamn deep. I'm not sure who they're going to play. I don't know who they're going to play. Obviously, we'll find out tomorrow. I'm not sure it matters.

I'll be honest with you, old Joe, and that. You never want to put the, you know, the card in front of the cart. Well, that's where it goes. The car in front of the horse. The car is in front of the horse. The horse has to pull the card. I mean, when you look at the horse in front of the horse, I mean,

when you look at, when you just look at them and the way they rally to the effing football, I mean, it's not one. I'm like, well, hold on. Hey, Ralph, I bet they got too many men on the show. They ain't no way ahead, boy. Hey, hey, no, no, we all are supposed to have 11.

They got to have 13. Ain't no way that they get to the ball that quick. And they do. That's exactly what it's right. The front part, they can generate pressure. Occasionally they'll come with a blitz. But most of the time they just generate pressure with that front four. Hey, that number three, ooh, ooh.

But if you look at them, they play defense just like the old Legion of Boone. The Legion of Boone basically played one cover. They played single high robber. We called it back then he used to call it Lurt. Cam Chathleth, Lurker looking to pick up any crossers. They call it robber. Now he's looking to rob the crossing route or the ink. Other than that, that's it.

That's all they played. If you look at this team, they're a very simplistic coverage team. Good luck getting up against spoon and wolding. Got love at safety. You got Ernest Jones, the third, excuse me, the fourth, and then you got those guys you swarm, the deal lines just swarm. They're fundamentally sound McDonald.

You know, this is really tough because Ben Johnson could get coach at a year, Brayble could get coached the year, D'Amico Ryan can get coached to the year, McDonald's up in Seattle could get coached the year. I mean, look, there are a lot of worthy candidates. Hell, Sean Payton can get coached to year. There are a lot of worthy candidates. But the job that McDonald has done with this team in a short time there,

this is only the second year. Yeah. Only second year. Phenomenal. And here are the NFC championship game with that game on their home field. Go ahead, Ocho. The funny thing about it, too, those in the chat that are watching, now you understand the importance of a quarterback.

You look at some of the teams that have struggled. and it's the goal to say for Sam Donald, situations matter. Where you go matters, coaching matters, the person that's around. I don't give it that. Car Brady could go to the Jets. He ain't going to be to do what we know.

Well, yeah, what we're used to seeing. So, I mean, Sam Donald is in a perfect situation. I know, I've said it multiple times on the show. I know Minnesota is kicking their selves in the foot, you know, for actually allowing it out. You kind of hard to kick yourself in your foot. But I get what you say. We know what he was saying, Chad.

Come on, that's an auto, man. Listen, I'm trying to prevent from cursing. That's why I said that. We know, we know what you be. Right, right, right. But, hey, Sam Don was playing exceptional. I've been worried about him. He's been somewhat, he's been turnover.

Yeah, he's been very inconsistent. You're right. I think he had 20-something interceptors, huh? Yeah, 20 plus turnover. And 20 plus turnover. So I was worried about him going to the playoffs. I was hoping he just took care of the ball because the defense was so well.

And if they can play defense, the way they play tonight and special teams, they do what they need to do. And Sam Donald doesn't put the ball in harm's way and just allow offensively. Whatever the defense gives you, just take it. Just don't lose the game trying to make bad situations worse.

You're right. You're right, Ocho. And when you look at this team, like I said, they're very well coached, the discipline, they're good in the special teams area, especially on punt kick return because he is a pro bowl player on their special teams on the other end. They do a great job of tackling. They pin you down.

They make you, they don't give you big plays. They make you nickel and dime your way down the field. And that's the best way to play defenses. Defense is not to give up anything cheap, anything deep. I believe if you have to consistently drive the ball 10, 12, 15 plays, I believe I can make you turn it over as opposed to giving up a one or two, you know, a 60-yard road. or a 50-yard pass play,

I believe if I make you go first down, first, second, okay, convert third down, first second, convert third down. I believe if I make you continuously have to nickel and dime your way down the field, I believe you'll stub your toe.

I believe you'll make a mistake. And that's all I need. Yeah. And you know what else is good? If you look at the landscape of the team to the left, let's say for the NFC in general, you look at a game like tonight offensively, Chris McAfrey causes the issue regards to who they're playing because they can create mismatches by using him in a multitude of ways offensively.

But because the goddamn Seahawks are so good in all three levels, whether it be the front, whether it be the second level or they got them back in, they match up so extremely well. Some of the things that Christian McCaffrey is able to exploit when they're playing other teams, and he plays somebody like Seattle, uh-uh. it's not happening. He had some runs. He wasn't able to do what he knows. He does. No, there were no gasses tonight.

And boy, they was putting a hat on him tonight, boy, they was putting the hat on him tonight, I mean, Bernard Jones, the fourth had two takeaways. He had a pick,

had a force fumble, ripped it out on the tight end. But I thought, from about week, I mean, for like the last month, after what they did to the Rams, they showed me something.

being down like they were and finding a way to get up off the mat and to win that game in overtime and the fashion, not only did they tie, because the Rams go right down the field in overtime,

get a touchdown, PAT, they're up seven. And for Seattle to match it, to go down the field. And then say, you know what, we ain't doing no more overtime because the next score will win. We're going to win it or lose it right here.

And they say, you know what? We're going to win it. And Sam, on them. They did a great job. Seattle's going to be a tough out of Joe. They're going to be tough out. I don't care. Look, the game,

obviously we can say the game favors Chicago because they practice in that and they play more often in those kind of conditions than the ramp. But anything can happen on a given Sunday. That's why we love football so much because it's one game. It's when to go home.

There is no tomorrow. There's finality once postseason. It's not like that in any other sport. They say game seven. There's nothing like game seven. Well, in the NFL, every playoff game is a game seven. Whether it's the wild card division or the AFC championship, obviously the Super Bowl, we know what that is.

But every playoff game in the postseason, I mean, every playoff game in the NFL is a game seven. No other sport has that because I get four chances. All I got to do, I got to beat you four times. But it doesn't work like that in the NFL. I ain't got to beat nobody four times. I got to win, if I win four games, if I win four games, if I'm a wild card, I'm going to beat the Super Bowl champ.

I'm holding up the trophy. In other sports, if you win four games, all you did was advance to the next round. Oh, yeah. We're four games in the NFL in the postseason. You're super bowl champs. But, uh, looks. San Francisco, uh, you know, the injuries,

the end and out, you know, they lost Trent for a minute, uh, the wire receiver. I thought they did, I thought they, they played well. But sometimes, you know, team just has your number. Teams just have your number. Oh, they have it. Seattle, Seattle is, I'm not so sure. if the 49ers have all their pieces

that they're a better football team than than Seattle. You know, when I think about it, I think about if they had Bosa, if they had Fred Warner. Okay, yeah, because you got to be, they can't get pressure on the quarterback coach. It's so hard for them to get pressure, and you got to have somebody that can win quick. You need somebody that can win right now

that can win his one-on-one matchup. And they don't really have that. Fred Warner's not going to make some of the mistakes that these guys were making. They're trying to go under and they get peeing and it spits out or they go over and the guy cuts back. Fred is not going to make some of the mistakes. He's too veteran of a player. He's going to read and diagnose what's going on a lot sooner than these guys. But I think, look, these games are always close normally, normally.

I mean, the first time they played up in Seattle, the 49 is one, but it was a very close ball game. The second time it was a 13-3 ball game. The 49ers felt that, you know what, if we eliminate some of these turnover, Joe, we like our chances because we've already, we've already been here and won before. So it's not like it's foreign to us. It's like it's out of the realm of possibility

that we can win because we've won here before. So, you know, you feel somewhat good. You like to have Bosa because you had Bosa when you won the first time. You had Fred Warner when you run the first time. You had Kittle when you won the first time. So you would have liked to have some of those pieces.

But you got what you got. You got what you got. Yeah, you got to make do it what you have. Obviously, I think it hurts not having Kittle, not having boasts and not having Fred Warner. But when you're thinking about when it comes to this time, when it comes to the playoff time, there are a lot of teams that have injuries. Maybe not, maybe not injuries to some of their star players to the extent of that of the

49ers, but you got to make do it what you got. You got. You got to make do what you got. So, I mean, it's unfortunate. I think for the 49ers. It's hard for me to, and I've got a chance to look at it's hard for me to understand why. Right back in this year.

So, I mean, it is what it is. Yeah. I'm trying to think I'm looking at the 49ers, maybe a D-Lyman, maybe a corner. I mean, losing Huff, a Fanga, who's in Denver right now, there's safety, man, I just don't know. I mean, the past in Jigba,

I don't know what 36 were looking at. I don't know what he looked at. Oh, so why would he look back inside? The quarterback is rolling towards the sideline. You look back inside, and he throws it and Jinn-Jibba slides and catches it. I'm like, what are you looking for? That was a nice drop in the bucket, too, now.

I mean, he's looking like your mom called him. Like he heard somebody. You called me, Mom? No. Oh, man, see, oh, Joe. I mean, when I go to games, this is why, and we're going to talk about the Bronco, this is why I came, man.

I see some stuff, bro. I'm like, bro, what? I just, okay, come in, son. Come in, let me see something right quick. Tell me what you saw. What did you see? Right. I don't know.

I don't know. But you got to understand, too, Unk, now, when you're watching the game from a fan perspective, even though you've played the game, And when you're watching from eye level of view, as you were today, huh? Sometimes. That's the $2.22, because we can see everything up high with you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes, you know, what we see with a clear eyesight. The case the same when you feel like. Yeah, you know, and the bullet, and the bullet, you know, it's flying. You know, it's a thinking man's game out there, huh? You think of man's game. So one mistake, one slip up, one step behind,

what are you done? You look the wrong way. You hesitate. You peek in the back field. That's all the take. The only thing that I tried to do, Ochre. Go ahead. Go ahead.

You say, yeah. I'm going to take you beat. I'm going to say it's a millisecond. The only thing that I really emphasize, Ocho, is that I never tried to get beat on what I've seen on tape. If I know a guy like the cross face, I can't let you beat me cross. Now, if you step cross like you're going to cross my face and come out of the back side, we need to get a different running back because he two got them slow to hit hold.

Other than that, Ocho, Joe, you're going to have drops. You're going to make some mistakes. But as I told, I remember Pat Sartan, I got a chance to highlight him. I saw his dad. I saw his dad also talk to him. I say in the playoffs, there are no incidental plays.

Every play matters. See, in the regular season, Ocho, sometimes the first quarter play might not have an impact in the rest of the game. But in the postseason, every play matters. Every play matters. And so you're like, oh, don't worry about it, we'll get it back. But that's the difference.

You know, now all of a sudden, instead of a seven point, you got three. Now that's four points week. Mm-hmm. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This is your boy, now green, from the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs of here.

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